No matter how impatient someone may be getting who’s waiting on you to bring out the loader, safely transporting equipment is something you don’t ever rush for anyone. Do it right. Great video.
When you use a single chain with two binders... ALWAYS put the slack between the two attachment points on the machine. Put the binder from the loose end near the trailer anchor to the slack part between your two attachment points on your equipment (basically making a loop at each corner of the machine). Do this for both sides. This way, if one of the two binders breaks or loosens, the other binder is still tight. If you put the binders the way you did in the video, if one binder loosens, both will go loose.
That’s not all he got wrong ! This bastard needs to be watching videos on proper load securing not making one ! He didn’t even know what to start he didn’t know there most important rules ! He is an idiot
Great info and yes please - more how to's. You're not seen as a "know it all" but rather an expert who has been there/done that and sharing what works for you and what doesn't. That in turn helps us learn and figure out what's best for us. Thank you, Stan! Love all the videos.
Drove flatbed for a couple decades, and the DOT frown upon using one chain and two binders. That said, when I did do it, I used the opposing far ends of the one chain so it looked like two chains, and left slack in the middle. Great video!
Enjoy the “How to” videos. Even tho some of us have been there done that, it’s always good to get different perspective. Your explanations are informative and down to the basics without being condescending. Thanks Stan !
Love the how to videos and the testing videos for those out there that haven't loaded anything or looking for their first mowers or skid steers or whatever
I walk away too and I triple check before I get in my truck I have found small items on stuff I was picking up at night and my 3rd walk around found a loose piece to what I was hauling. If I did see it that could of fell off and went thru a windshield or worse. That extra 30 sec of my life could of just saved someone else life if it went thru their windshield. Thank you for the great video would love to come plow in a storm with you this year I have been doing it for 20 years before I could drive. I has tractors when I was a kid then an atv till I was about 18 and bought my first plow truck 1986 ford ranger 6 1/2 western set up with a meyers E60 pump stick shift. It was 4 different colors prob 4 different truck the guy use I painted it all black with 94 cent rattle cans from home depot. Now Im 35 and I have alot of residential and a few commercial lots its just me and I hire a guy to shovel for 50 to 100 a day depending on how fast he is. I got a lot of my customers from when I was a kid passing out fliers in my neighborhoods and it just went from there I gain new ones every year. I located In North Ridgeville Ohio 20 min west of Cleveland ohio. 2020 and 2021 season has been our best one since 2013 2014 season where I plowed every weekend that year and worked a full time 8am to 5pm job 6 days a week so my sundays were plowing the whole season. The seasons I just chose to work for myself and the storms never came to the west end of ohio no they went above us over lake erie and dump lake effect snow on everything east of cleveland, also pa, NY, and other states out east. God Bless
I strongly believe in the four point tie down and do nothing less. But, one thing I noticed with this video that I do slightly differently (everyone has their own way of doing things this is just how I do it). Because chains are firm and they do not stretch like straps do. Before I tighten everything thing down tight, I first put chains on all four corners just snug because if you tighten one chain on the rear the equipment can be pulled backwards because it is being pulled from one side. Where as when there are four points already on and then you tighten, the chains are pulling against each other instead of just pulling against the weight of the equipment. But if you do this, I always double and then triple check all of my chains (if i am working solo) a few minutes later so I know that my chains are tight. But all in all, very informative video. Thank you Stan. God Bless
If your trailering a wheel loader of excavator you have to chain the bucket or stick of excavator. Great video Stan keep up the great work and stay safe.
You did an awesome job on this how-to video! A good method I've seen uses 1 chain with hooks and 2 binders. One of the chain ends is hooked in a loop around the machine's tie down point. One of the binder hooks goes on the trailer d-ring and the other hook goes on the chain coming from the tie down point on the machine. Repeat for the other side of the machine.
Location plays a big part in whats legal and what's not. In BC any pivoting part has to be secured individually. Say on a wheel loader, you put one chain on each corner, one in the middle that keeps it from articulating, and one for the bucket. That skid steer here would need a 5th chain for the bucket/attachment even if securely attached to the machine. When I got my class 1(CDl) and was still looking for work I asked CVSE(our DOT) for clarification and they confirmed for me that was the proper and legal method here. I wanted to make sure just incase I got a job hauling equipment
Really appreciate these videos! very educational!. I had a scary situation at work a few weeks ago with a trailer. we have a dual axle dump trailer and we have been having issues with the axle flipping raising the real tires off the ground. well I hooked up and pulled out and must have missed getting the hitch secured (even though I had double checked it and thought the pin was in) and it came disconnected from the ball! thankfully I had the chain birdnested and it caught the trailer and didn't damage the truck or trailer! but MAN!!! I almost needed a new pair of trousers!
I had a new coworker that was working for a few fees already. We were going about 50 miles away down south to the gulf of mexico to do a walkway and small patio to relax around a very old 30 gravesite cemetery in Louisiana. This new coworker told the boss he knew how to drive a flat nose slt landscape truck with a flatbed on the back with a 30 foot gooseneck. I was out doing a different small job while they were loading up. I get back right when we had to leave. I followed them in my work truck. When pulling out of the shop, this guy did not turn off our companies road wide enough and put the gooseneck down in the 4 foot deep trench for the flooding. When I pulled up behind him, this guy didn't even try to chain down the bobcat and excavator that we haul on it. Bobcat bounced nearly off the side of the trailer while it fell in the trench. Excavator was the same thing. We finally pulled it out with help from our loader and other excavator. Our company mechanic fixed the tail lights. Checked the tires, etc etc. Boss fired the guy right there. I chained down both machines with all four points chained whatnot. I took the flatbed and gooseneck while the supervisor took my truck full of the pavers. We get down there and unloaded, when I unloaded we heard a big bang underneath. We looked and it was one of the axles completely snapped in half. I was mad, trailer could have broke while I was driving and could have made me wreck and yeah. Supervisor was pissed and the boss, when he found out, he went and found the guy and filed charges on him. Guy had to pay restitution to the company to get a new axle and repair it. Now the boss gets in every truck with a new employee and makes sure they can drive a certain truck with a certain trailer, etc etc. It's a fun company to be apart of. It seems like it's Alot like yours but 10 times bigger lol. Still fill like family.
I was in a volunteer ambulance service in England we all ways did a 360 walk around before the vehicle moved more than 6 ft . We were rally trained as well . Nice to see someone knows what there talking about .
4:30. Depends on the weight of the item tied down, the thickness of the chain, and the rating on the binder. Your example load with that chain and binder would be legal.
Best demo I ever saw. 2 old DOT guys from two counties just about to retire, never worked together. They were dang near fighting over what was legal. Both WERE positive a loader (even with no buckets) MUST be separately chained down. WHY? Because 20+ years ago a tractor loader on a trailer running with a lunch box in cab. Somehow the lunch box activated loader, raised, took out power across street in town. How a 1970s JD hyd activated by a lunch box?
Good stuff! For some reason a lot of people around here think they can secure a Bobcat with 3000 lb ratchet straps to the front grab bars on the cab and up to the radial lift in the back. I’ll make sure to give them a wide berth.
Very helpful video , I just got a trailer and I look forward to useing it a good bit and I needed some tips on that , and as always I enjoy it videos and I wait every week for ur videos to be uploaded and I always watch them , and this might be off topic but I love the sound of a bucket back dragging on a gravel road or driveway idk y but I can't seem to get enough of it
Stan never had a problem with dot inspectors with chain hooked to d ring with 1 binder back of machine. Loader bucket I have welded hooks. Then I hook chains from bucket to trailer put tension on chains tighten with binder in rear of loader. Never got ticket for being improperly tied down. Been stopped many times.
Hey Stan, just a suggestion for you. Since you are a Landscaper in summer, I would take some scrap 4×6 or 6×6 timber posts cut to about 18" long and cut in half diagonally (like aircraft chalks). Then, take 2 galvinized eye-bolts, one screwed into the end of each half, and about a 2' piece of rope to keep them together. Having 2 sets in each truck and on the trailer will lock those wheels in place very well while loading, unloading, parking, etc. Great channel, I wish I lived near you as I would love to work for you. Keep up the great work!!!
I'm an over the road flatbed truck driver. If the equipment is under 10,000 lb with attachment 2 chains and 2 binders is fine. Over 10,000 lb no matter what its 4 points of contact and 1 over the attachment. It can be 2 chains, 4 binders or 4 chains, 4 binders. The problem with the 2 chains when over 10,000 lb the binders have to be tight but there also has to be slack in the chain in between the contact points to show that is 4 points not 2. That's what gets a lot of people.
I was always taught whatever you put on that trailer you should be able to take that trailer turn it upside down and not have anything fall off and thank you very much Stan I love the how-to videos the dirt monkey University was awesome kind of miss it
4:55 that is illegal, but you can use 1 chain but you need 2 binders. The chain loops around so there’s 2 smaller loops and the center piece of chain between the binders has zero tension. 5:50 is also illegal but very close to being ok, it just needs to be grabbing the chain from after the tie down not before. That will make it so each tie down has its own piece of chain even though it’s connected.
That depends on the weight of the item being secured. Under 10k at least two tie down are required, one front , and one rear, over 10k 4 tie downs are required, 2x front and rear or at designated tie down points. Additionally a bucket, or boom must also be secured. Per fmcsa section 3.8.2
Hey Stan you can use one long chain and tie down at two different locations. Be like on the back of the skid steer you can use one chain only if the chain has slack in it. That’s DOT rule their so you can have that on long chain working on both sides of the machine if their is slack in the middle of it
I like hooks on my chains and in shorter lengths. You can tie down skid steers with 2 if it’s less than 10k. 4 corners is always safer so just buy the chains and binders that you need. Good info videos. Your last video about loading trailer was really good. I have hauled a Cat and JCB track machine on a Kaufman 20 skid steer trailer. When using a 1/2 ton truck you better have it in the right spot!
Hey buddy, great video great information. Could you go into a little more detail about d-rings placement on a trailer? I just picked up a car trailer and want to have some D rings installed but I want to make sure they’re in a good overall location to be able to tie down vehicles and such. Thank you.
2:45 Yes Stan, those are DOT approved IF there is slack in the chain between the left and right side. There should be a binder per corner that doesn't rely on any other binder.
Stan, the 4 point is the best hands down! 1 chain for every side! Best load tie down there is. If a chain brakes on the back, There is one more to take it's place. Now do we all do that, NO! but we should for sure!!! If the chain is big enough it can hold all the load then yes. But every chain has a load rating on it and you should never go over that load rating. So if you have a load that is 14,000 like my 299D2 is you need 4 chains that will hold that and more. So each one of my chains need to hold at least 3,500 pounds per chain or more to be safe! Sorry about the conmen sense geek I just want off about! lol
one thing i always do when chaining equipment to a trailer, is to stop a half a mile or so after i start, or before i get on a highway, and recheck all my chains and binders. sometimes a chain that was nice and tight, "popped" a link and is now slightly looser. doesn't always happen, but only costs you a minute, and saves you from having a load that's shifting around
@@Dirtmonkey Have you seen the EZ binder I get them from A W direct online. I Have used all the ways you showed in the video up till about 2 months ago love the 4 chains and the EZ binders. EZ binders demo / bobcatman61 th-cam.com/video/kd43o_Qp0Ss/w-d-xo.html
You said something I wish more of my past employers understood, there's more than one way to get a job done. I learned so many ways to do the same job but the last one I worked for believed only his way was right, even when I proved him wrong. Okay, I lived in the shop lifestyle for 30+ years, so I'm wrong.
5:30 That's less legal than your 1 binder and 1 chain example. Slack the chain in the middle and have the binder go from the chain on the inside of the machine to the chain tail on both sides. Then it will be legal and the most efficient.
From what ive been told. Dot regs if equipment is 10,000 pounds or more then 4 points of securment needed. If 10,000 or less then 2 points of securenent needed but we still use 4 points when hauling our 9,600 new Holland Track loader.
I love all your videos they have helped me out so much with my own business. I’m now at the point that I want to buy a full-size skid steer and I was wondering if I will need a CDL license to pull it myself? Thanks!
Stan, never did less than 4 points of attachment when hauling. The most I ever did was 9.....probably should not give details...LOL. Thanks and have a good day!
Amen brother you have to watch out for this idiots driving 4 wheelers. Personally I've typically used the 1 chain 1 screw binder at each end, then a set of straps or chains over buckets or attachments. I'm liking the looks of the 4 point method. A bit better to make sure nothing can slip. I could still. Accomplish it with 1 chain and 2 binders at each end leaving the chain slack in-between the 2 binders. And be the same as 2 binders and 2 chains since I run chains with hooks. Thanks for the great videos they are very informative and educational.
@04:33 yes if the load is 10k or less that would be legal. The rule changes if it's over 10K vs under. A heavy load needs 4 points of securement. A 50hp bobcat is not a heavy by any measuring stick. BTW that is a nice looking trailer.
What are your thought on ratchet straps? I have always used those as they are easier to use and more convenient to keep in the truck then big heavy chains.
I've only ever rented equipment and equipment trailers but they only used 2 chains when they loaded equipment - 1 in front and 1 in back. It was connected to the trailer in 4 points though. Although it was very secure, I'm now questioning whether it would actually be DoT approved.
Dot in MN says 4 points of contact. My chains in the front I Hook up and then back the equipment up to tighten it. Then my back I run my chain and then use one binder like you did around the 4 minute mark. So 2 long chains, 1 binder, 4 points of contact on the trailer 4 points of contact on the equipment
Awesome video I have a question for you I am looking to replace the polymeric sand on some paver steps and was wondering if you could recommend a brand of sand
Make sure you check your gaps and get the right kind of sand for the appropriate gaps. We have done many river stone walks with this over the last five years and have had good luck. Make sure you water the sand enough and sweep it in with a broom. After you wet it use a paint bush to move what spatter you create back into the groves bc once it's dry it's permanent. If your foundation is strong and has no wobble in it then you should be ok. It's def a product that has it quarks but if used correctly it has its place. Good luck with it it's been a really good product for us. John's Lawns East Tn
I was told by a DOT officer if I remember correctly that it the machine is over a certain weight it has to have 4 point tie down. Usually larger excavators and heavy machines like that. Skid steers do not need 4 point tire downs. That’s in my area anyway. Good video Stan
Hey stanley, i watch all of your videos and really love what you do. i started my own business at 23 and now am 24. im doing fairly well but would love to talk to you even if its just 10 minutes of your time. im not sure if thats possible but its worth a shot!
One time going down the road a little dump truck went by me and I noticed one of his binders was loose luckily I was able get the guy to realize one of the binders was loose though the cb radio and coded message so a DOT really wouldn't pay attention the guy pulled over I helped him and double checked everything the next two curves we went around there's a DOT sitting in the side of the road guy came back thanking me so much on the cb I'm like it's the trucking code man no problem
Hey Stan. Another very informative video. I'm not familiar with the orange component your using to tighten the chains. What are they called? Where can you purchase them? Thanks. Keep the great video's coming !!
Stan when you did one chain one binder I'm the second setup for two points the better way to do it is one chain two binders it separates that one chain into two chains and it's a legitimate legal to point tie-down method you still need your other to tie down points obviously but you can use one chain with two binders and it makes it a lot faster
You need to criss cross the chains left corner of trailer to right corner of equipment.. and etc.. This is the Military spec way we secure stuff not only to trailers but for aircraft.. That way you have multiple angles of restraint.. 👍🏼👍🏼 I’m a 2T2
Here in New York state, a DOT cop told me they want wheeled or tracked equipment cross chained. I'm not sure if lever binders are still acceptable or if they want ratchet binders like you used, that's what I use too. I think they're safer than the lever binder. I was also told by a state trooper that even something like a brush hog or front end loader on a tractor is considered a hydraulic implement so that's supposed to be chained down too, hooked to the machine or not. So it's 4 chains for the machine and at least one chain on any implement, in my case, I have a loader and brush hog on my tractor, so I'm supposed to have 6 chains on the load.
DOT regs rcomends crossed chains for equipment over 10k whever possible (some equipment makes it impossible. Lever binders are still DOT compliant but many companies require ratchet style.
@@Dirtmonkey They probably dont know the law that well and dont want to be responsible for miss information/look like and idoit. That or they dont want to do it and that is their bs response to get out of it. Talk to Hoover hes solid and will help you out.
We over load our 40 year old trailer with our tractor everytime we need to move it. Lots of chains and pray to god we don’t have a stop fast. How’s your day going Stan? Short comment today but I got to get home
Stan, awesome video as always! I’m looking at stepping up to a track loader...I’ll definitely be getting some speed binders....unfortunately I’ve seen what happens when rollers and graders either flip or come off a trailer...securing equipment is absolutely critical, as well as checking, double and triple checking your loads! Buddy check whenever possible. Is it Legal? Huge fan of the Officer Hoover videos...understanding states have different laws too. Some states require buckets or attachments be strapped/ bound separately. As you said, Never too many chains or straps! ~Jon@SBYD!
No matter how impatient someone may be getting who’s waiting on you to bring out the loader, safely transporting equipment is something you don’t ever rush for anyone. Do it right. Great video.
well said👊
Yes and tgis dumb bastard does not have a clue about the rules on load securement
When you use a single chain with two binders... ALWAYS put the slack between the two attachment points on the machine. Put the binder from the loose end near the trailer anchor to the slack part between your two attachment points on your equipment (basically making a loop at each corner of the machine). Do this for both sides. This way, if one of the two binders breaks or loosens, the other binder is still tight. If you put the binders the way you did in the video, if one binder loosens, both will go loose.
That’s not all he got wrong ! This bastard needs to be watching videos on proper load securing not making one ! He didn’t even know what to start he didn’t know there most important rules !
He is an idiot
Great info and yes please - more how to's. You're not seen as a "know it all" but rather an expert who has been there/done that and sharing what works for you and what doesn't. That in turn helps us learn and figure out what's best for us. Thank you, Stan! Love all the videos.
Thanks, will do!
Not great info at all ! You must be a total idiot if you think anything he said was true !
This bastard does not have a clue
I love it! Step away from things a couple minutes, then go back and double check!
Perfect!
yeah- that works well for me.
Drove flatbed for a couple decades, and the DOT frown upon using one chain and two binders.
That said, when I did do it, I used the opposing far ends of the one chain so it looked like two chains, and left slack in the middle.
Great video!
Enjoy the “How to” videos. Even tho some of us have been there done that, it’s always good to get different perspective. Your explanations are informative and down to the basics without being condescending.
Thanks Stan !
Thanks 👍. Glad you enjoy them. Have a great rest of your week.
Appreciate you doing the how to videos. Always good to learn the thought.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for sharing your knowledge Stan. We all need a refresher from time to time.
You bet
Another solid video chained down tight. "That's not going anywhere." Thanks for sharing!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Love the how to videos and the testing videos for those out there that haven't loaded anything or looking for their first mowers or skid steers or whatever
Thank you. appreciate the feedback.
I walk away too and I triple check before I get in my truck I have found small items on stuff I was picking up at night and my 3rd walk around found a loose piece to what I was hauling. If I did see it that could of fell off and went thru a windshield or worse. That extra 30 sec of my life could of just saved someone else life if it went thru their windshield. Thank you for the great video would love to come plow in a storm with you this year I have been doing it for 20 years before I could drive. I has tractors when I was a kid then an atv till I was about 18 and bought my first plow truck 1986 ford ranger 6 1/2 western set up with a meyers E60 pump stick shift. It was 4 different colors prob 4 different truck the guy use I painted it all black with 94 cent rattle cans from home depot. Now Im 35 and I have alot of residential and a few commercial lots its just me and I hire a guy to shovel for 50 to 100 a day depending on how fast he is. I got a lot of my customers from when I was a kid passing out fliers in my neighborhoods and it just went from there I gain new ones every year. I located In North Ridgeville Ohio 20 min west of Cleveland ohio. 2020 and 2021 season has been our best one since 2013 2014 season where I plowed every weekend that year and worked a full time 8am to 5pm job 6 days a week so my sundays were plowing the whole season. The seasons I just chose to work for myself and the storms never came to the west end of ohio no they went above us over lake erie and dump lake effect snow on everything east of cleveland, also pa, NY, and other states out east. God Bless
I strongly believe in the four point tie down and do nothing less. But, one thing I noticed with this video that I do slightly differently (everyone has their own way of doing things this is just how I do it). Because chains are firm and they do not stretch like straps do. Before I tighten everything thing down tight, I first put chains on all four corners just snug because if you tighten one chain on the rear the equipment can be pulled backwards because it is being pulled from one side. Where as when there are four points already on and then you tighten, the chains are pulling against each other instead of just pulling against the weight of the equipment. But if you do this, I always double and then triple check all of my chains (if i am working solo) a few minutes later so I know that my chains are tight.
But all in all, very informative video. Thank you Stan.
God Bless
Your right- You should snug down only after all 4 points are tight.👊
I was taught to chain 4 corners and one on the attachment and to pin swivel joint on artic loaders
sounds solid
Less than 10,000 pounds you can use two. Over ten, the way you mention is the way it is supposed to be.
Thanks for all the content, keep doing things with love. Great content. I'm sorry for your loss.
Probably one of the best videos on youtube on how to tie down a skid steer. Wish you guys would have shown the front part also
We do 1 chain 2 binders on small stuff, go ham on big stuff. Great video Stan. YT unsubscribed me for a few weeks. Missed ya brother
Welcome back brother!
Same here didn't realize until I saw your comment wtf YT
Brand new chains and binders all nice and shiny awesome dude
Yeah thanks- my other ones got stole with the trailer.
@@Dirtmonkey wth? Is there anything they don't steal 😡
If your trailering a wheel loader of excavator you have to chain the bucket or stick of excavator. Great video Stan keep up the great work and stay safe.
Thanks for the tip
Trailering equipment is something I only do very occasionally, so I really appreciate the info! Thanks Stan!
Glad to help
Thank you. Still helps a seasoned veteran at towing.
You did an awesome job on this how-to video! A good method I've seen uses 1 chain with hooks and 2 binders. One of the chain ends is hooked in a loop around the machine's tie down point. One of the binder hooks goes on the trailer d-ring and the other hook goes on the chain coming from the tie down point on the machine. Repeat for the other side of the machine.
Great tip!
Location plays a big part in whats legal and what's not. In BC any pivoting part has to be secured individually. Say on a wheel loader, you put one chain on each corner, one in the middle that keeps it from articulating, and one for the bucket. That skid steer here would need a 5th chain for the bucket/attachment even if securely attached to the machine. When I got my class 1(CDl) and was still looking for work I asked CVSE(our DOT) for clarification and they confirmed for me that was the proper and legal method here. I wanted to make sure just incase I got a job hauling equipment
Really appreciate these videos! very educational!. I had a scary situation at work a few weeks ago with a trailer. we have a dual axle dump trailer and we have been having issues with the axle flipping raising the real tires off the ground. well I hooked up and pulled out and must have missed getting the hitch secured (even though I had double checked it and thought the pin was in) and it came disconnected from the ball! thankfully I had the chain birdnested and it caught the trailer and didn't damage the truck or trailer! but MAN!!! I almost needed a new pair of trousers!
That is scary -its also why we use the pintle hitches. easier visual and I feel more secure.
I had a new coworker that was working for a few fees already. We were going about 50 miles away down south to the gulf of mexico to do a walkway and small patio to relax around a very old 30 gravesite cemetery in Louisiana. This new coworker told the boss he knew how to drive a flat nose slt landscape truck with a flatbed on the back with a 30 foot gooseneck. I was out doing a different small job while they were loading up. I get back right when we had to leave. I followed them in my work truck. When pulling out of the shop, this guy did not turn off our companies road wide enough and put the gooseneck down in the 4 foot deep trench for the flooding. When I pulled up behind him, this guy didn't even try to chain down the bobcat and excavator that we haul on it. Bobcat bounced nearly off the side of the trailer while it fell in the trench. Excavator was the same thing. We finally pulled it out with help from our loader and other excavator. Our company mechanic fixed the tail lights. Checked the tires, etc etc. Boss fired the guy right there. I chained down both machines with all four points chained whatnot. I took the flatbed and gooseneck while the supervisor took my truck full of the pavers. We get down there and unloaded, when I unloaded we heard a big bang underneath. We looked and it was one of the axles completely snapped in half. I was mad, trailer could have broke while I was driving and could have made me wreck and yeah. Supervisor was pissed and the boss, when he found out, he went and found the guy and filed charges on him. Guy had to pay restitution to the company to get a new axle and repair it. Now the boss gets in every truck with a new employee and makes sure they can drive a certain truck with a certain trailer, etc etc. It's a fun company to be apart of. It seems like it's Alot like yours but 10 times bigger lol. Still fill like family.
Great video, can still tell you're hurting from losing Kaw, but completely understand, God Bless and hope you feel better soon....
I appreciate that
I was in a volunteer ambulance service in England we all ways did a 360 walk around before the vehicle moved more than 6 ft .
We were rally trained as well .
Nice to see someone knows what there talking about .
it just makes sense to me
@@Dirtmonkey have you come across a " Retractable ratchet straps yet sir ?
Thanks for the informative video. The best train of thought is everything would stay fastened if the trailer overturned. I agree with you Stan...
Well said!
Great work and thanks for sharing this important content with us. Take care
Thanks 👍
@@Dirtmonkey You're welcome Stan 👍
Hi I woch your videos everyday tell the team I said hi and I woch thor videos everyday I love you guys I love the video
Thank you! You are the best!!🎉
Great video champ thank you I’ll be using these techniques next week
4:30. Depends on the weight of the item tied down, the thickness of the chain, and the rating on the binder. Your example load with that chain and binder would be legal.
👍 thanks
Best demo I ever saw. 2 old DOT guys from two counties just about to retire, never worked together. They were dang near fighting over what was legal. Both WERE positive a loader (even with no buckets) MUST be separately chained down. WHY? Because 20+ years ago a tractor loader on a trailer running with a lunch box in cab. Somehow the lunch box activated loader, raised, took out power across street in town. How a 1970s JD hyd activated by a lunch box?
Love the how to videos very informative hope all is well
Glad you like them!
Good stuff! For some reason a lot of people around here think they can secure a Bobcat with 3000 lb ratchet straps to the front grab bars on the cab and up to the radial lift in the back. I’ll make sure to give them a wide berth.
Very helpful video , I just got a trailer and I look forward to useing it a good bit and I needed some tips on that , and as always I enjoy it videos and I wait every week for ur videos to be uploaded and I always watch them , and this might be off topic but I love the sound of a bucket back dragging on a gravel road or driveway idk y but I can't seem to get enough of it
Great video Stan 🇺🇲 I really like these kind of videos 🇺🇲
Your the best !! 💯💯💯
Thank you sir
Stan never had a problem with dot inspectors with chain hooked to d ring with 1 binder back of machine. Loader bucket I have welded hooks. Then I hook chains from bucket to trailer put tension on chains tighten with binder in rear of loader. Never got ticket for being improperly tied down. Been stopped many times.
Sounds like it must be secured
Hey Stan, just a suggestion for you. Since you are a Landscaper in summer, I would take some scrap 4×6 or 6×6 timber posts cut to about 18" long and cut in half diagonally (like aircraft chalks). Then, take 2 galvinized eye-bolts, one screwed into the end of each half, and about a 2' piece of rope to keep them together. Having 2 sets in each truck and on the trailer will lock those wheels in place very well while loading, unloading, parking, etc. Great channel, I wish I lived near you as I would love to work for you. Keep up the great work!!!
That’s not all he got wrong but yes I saw that as well ! This bastard needs to be watching how to videos on load securement not making one
I'm an over the road flatbed truck driver. If the equipment is under 10,000 lb with attachment 2 chains and 2 binders is fine. Over 10,000 lb no matter what its 4 points of contact and 1 over the attachment. It can be 2 chains, 4 binders or 4 chains, 4 binders. The problem with the 2 chains when over 10,000 lb the binders have to be tight but there also has to be slack in the chain in between the contact points to show that is 4 points not 2. That's what gets a lot of people.
Thanks for pointing that out.
I was always taught whatever you put on that trailer you should be able to take that trailer turn it upside down and not have anything fall off and thank you very much Stan I love the how-to videos the dirt monkey University was awesome kind of miss it
Good tip- I like that idea of nothing falling off tipped upside down.
That’s a good rule of thumb but legally you only need 51% securement, so a 10,000 lbs skid steer needs over 5,000 working load rated securement.
@@midwestbd7144 5,000 pounds secured for a 10k machine would only be 50% secured, maybe go back to school
@@MB12116 wow good job, smart guy. Maybe that’s why I said “over 5,000 lbs”.
@@midwestbd7144 Not to be that asshole but “over 5,000” isn’t 51% of 10,000. You’d need to say “5,100 or more” to be at least 51% :)
4:55 that is illegal, but you can use 1 chain but you need 2 binders. The chain loops around so there’s 2 smaller loops and the center piece of chain between the binders has zero tension. 5:50 is also illegal but very close to being ok, it just needs to be grabbing the chain from after the tie down not before. That will make it so each tie down has its own piece of chain even though it’s connected.
Thank you
I drive truck and run equipment for a living and I was going to say the same thing you did.
That depends on the weight of the item being secured. Under 10k at least two tie down are required, one front , and one rear, over 10k 4 tie downs are required, 2x front and rear or at designated tie down points. Additionally a bucket, or boom must also be secured. Per fmcsa section 3.8.2
thank you for your time and knowledge!
Glad it was helpful!
Hey Stan you can use one long chain and tie down at two different locations. Be like on the back of the skid steer you can use one chain only if the chain has slack in it. That’s DOT rule their so you can have that on long chain working on both sides of the machine if their is slack in the middle of it
I have heard that is ok but you should check your local DOT
I like hooks on my chains and in shorter lengths. You can tie down skid steers with 2 if it’s less than 10k. 4 corners is always safer so just buy the chains and binders that you need. Good info videos. Your last video about loading trailer was really good. I have hauled a Cat and JCB track machine on a Kaufman 20 skid steer trailer. When using a 1/2 ton truck you better have it in the right spot!
Hey buddy, great video great information. Could you go into a little more detail about d-rings placement on a trailer? I just picked up a car trailer and want to have some D rings installed but I want to make sure they’re in a good overall location to be able to tie down vehicles and such. Thank you.
2:45 Yes Stan, those are DOT approved IF there is slack in the chain between the left and right side. There should be a binder per corner that doesn't rely on any other binder.
cool👊
Stan, the 4 point is the best hands down! 1 chain for every side! Best load tie down there is. If a chain brakes on the back, There is one more to take it's place. Now do we all do that, NO! but we should for sure!!! If the chain is big enough it can hold all the load then yes. But every chain has a load rating on it and you should never go over that load rating. So if you have a load that is 14,000 like my 299D2 is you need 4 chains that will hold that and more. So each one of my chains need to hold at least 3,500 pounds per chain or more to be safe!
Sorry about the conmen sense geek I just want off about! lol
one thing i always do when chaining equipment to a trailer, is to stop a half a mile or so after i start, or before i get on a highway, and recheck all my chains and binders. sometimes a chain that was nice and tight, "popped" a link and is now slightly looser. doesn't always happen, but only costs you a minute, and saves you from having a load that's shifting around
Thats smart
I like my 4, 6 foot chains,one EZ binder on each corner only bidders to have absolutely love them super fast and E Z !!!!
Sounds like you have it dialed in
@@Dirtmonkey Have you seen the EZ binder I get them from A W direct online. I Have used all the ways you showed in the video up till about 2 months ago love the 4 chains and the EZ binders.
EZ binders demo / bobcatman61
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Thank you for another great video
Thanks for watching!
I was told by alot of truck driver that dot wants you to x your front and rear chain on equipment no matter what equipment it is
Good video and info. I like that camera with the magnet, does it send to your cell phone ?
I like to good check after I’ve drive a block or so. Make sure everything is still tight.
smart
You said something I wish more of my past employers understood, there's more than one way to get a job done. I learned so many ways to do the same job but the last one I worked for believed only his way was right, even when I proved him wrong. Okay, I lived in the shop lifestyle for 30+ years, so I'm wrong.
Yeah- I don't get guys like that.
@@Dirtmonkey thank you! Git 'er dun! The right way.
5:30 That's less legal than your 1 binder and 1 chain example. Slack the chain in the middle and have the binder go from the chain on the inside of the machine to the chain tail on both sides. Then it will be legal and the most efficient.
What’s the status on the hoarder trailer park with all the trash? Are there more videos coming up on it?
Thats all cleaned out. I think a scrap truck has yet to come through and do final pick up though.
From what ive been told. Dot regs if equipment is 10,000 pounds or more then 4 points of securment needed. If 10,000 or less then 2 points of securenent needed but we still use 4 points when hauling our 9,600 new Holland Track loader.
I have heard something like that
I love all your videos they have helped me out so much with my own business. I’m now at the point that I want to buy a full-size skid steer and I was wondering if I will need a CDL license to pull it myself? Thanks!
You need a CDL if your truck and trailer come in together over 26,0001 lbs
Stan, never did less than 4 points of attachment when hauling. The most I ever did was 9.....probably should not give details...LOL. Thanks and have a good day!
sounds interesting🤔
@@Dirtmonkey all I will say is it involved a skid steer 1 round bail and a big prayer.. Thanks man, all of your knowledge is much appreciated!
Amen brother you have to watch out for this idiots driving 4 wheelers. Personally I've typically used the 1 chain 1 screw binder at each end, then a set of straps or chains over buckets or attachments. I'm liking the looks of the 4 point method. A bit better to make sure nothing can slip. I could still. Accomplish it with 1 chain and 2 binders at each end leaving the chain slack in-between the 2 binders. And be the same as 2 binders and 2 chains since I run chains with hooks.
Thanks for the great videos they are very informative and educational.
I wonder how long that rigging will stay shiny.
fair question
Thank You For Another Very Good Video. And You Are 100% Correct ! That's Dot Code For Us Here Too 👍
Very welcome
👍🇺🇸 I have always used 4 points
Best way to do it.
@04:33 yes if the load is 10k or less that would be legal. The rule changes if it's over 10K vs under. A heavy load needs 4 points of securement. A 50hp bobcat is not a heavy by any measuring stick.
BTW that is a nice looking trailer.
Wouldn't backing the skidder on the trailer be more stable by keeping the weight on the uphill side?
Hi Stan, what do you think of the floor boards on that trailer
They are the best
@@Dirtmonkey thanks
What are your thought on ratchet straps? I have always used those as they are easier to use and more convenient to keep in the truck then big heavy chains.
I like the shock straps if I use ratchet straps
I've only ever rented equipment and equipment trailers but they only used 2 chains when they loaded equipment - 1 in front and 1 in back. It was connected to the trailer in 4 points though. Although it was very secure, I'm now questioning whether it would actually be DoT approved.
I don't think it is
Dot in MN says 4 points of contact. My chains in the front I Hook up and then back the equipment up to tighten it. Then my back I run my chain and then use one binder like you did around the 4 minute mark. So 2 long chains, 1 binder, 4 points of contact on the trailer 4 points of contact on the equipment
Awesome video I have a question for you I am looking to replace the polymeric sand on some paver steps and was wondering if you could recommend a brand of sand
I don't use polymeric sand on our pavers most of the times.
What would you recommend
Gator mix is what we use and have had good luck with this with stone. We haven't used it with pavers.
Make sure you check your gaps and get the right kind of sand for the appropriate gaps. We have done many river stone walks with this over the last five years and have had good luck. Make sure you water the sand enough and sweep it in with a broom. After you wet it use a paint bush to move what spatter you create back into the groves bc once it's dry it's permanent. If your foundation is strong and has no wobble in it then you should be ok. It's def a product that has it quarks but if used correctly it has its place. Good luck with it it's been a really good product for us. John's Lawns East Tn
I was told by a DOT officer if I remember correctly that it the machine is over a certain weight it has to have 4 point tie down. Usually larger excavators and heavy machines like that. Skid steers do not need 4 point tire downs. That’s in my area anyway. Good video Stan
The chain and binder rating has to match the weight of the machine. (4) 7k chains and (4) 7k binders can legally secure 56k worth of equipment.
Thats a nice Grunt style t shirt.
Hey stanley, i watch all of your videos and really love what you do. i started my own business at 23 and now am 24. im doing fairly well but would love to talk to you even if its just 10 minutes of your time. im not sure if thats possible but its worth a shot!
Thank you so much for this video!!
Glad it was helpful!
One time going down the road a little dump truck went by me and I noticed one of his binders was loose luckily I was able get the guy to realize one of the binders was loose though the cb radio and coded message so a DOT really wouldn't pay attention the guy pulled over I helped him and double checked everything the next two curves we went around there's a DOT sitting in the side of the road guy came back thanking me so much on the cb I'm like it's the trucking code man no problem
Yes- I know the truckers code. But I am not sure the new generation does.
Great video stan!
Glad you enjoyed it
Hey Stan. Another very informative video. I'm not familiar with the orange component your using to tighten the chains. What are they called? Where can you purchase them? Thanks. Keep the great video's coming !!
that is a chain binder.
Thanks for the info. Greatly appreciated !!
Great shirt Stan!
Thank you
Thanks for another video bub
You bet
What kind of trailer do you buy? Double tandem. Three wheel set up ?
Stan when you did one chain one binder I'm the second setup for two points the better way to do it is one chain two binders it separates that one chain into two chains and it's a legitimate legal to point tie-down method you still need your other to tie down points obviously but you can use one chain with two binders and it makes it a lot faster
I've seen people use ratchet straps on equipment, is that enough?
not in my parts
Grade 70 chains ?
Would this be the same for like the standard tie downs that are like a flat rope
be careful not to wrap those around a sharp edge.
Are you like talking about a like ratchet strap?
Yes
And yes I have a few that are rubbed raw in spots
Are you reviewing the dewalt commerical mowers?
yes- coming soon
Is it legal to secure a 7,000 pound machine with (4) 2,700 pound ratchet straps?
Thanks for the tips
The two binder one chain method works legally if there is a slack point in between the two binders.
Yes- thank you. I showed that different.
Officer Hoover from Indiana has a great TH-cam channel for DOT
What’s the status on the cabin build? Are there more videos coming on it?
Yes. More vids to come.
You need to criss cross the chains left corner of trailer to right corner of equipment.. and etc.. This is the Military spec way we secure stuff not only to trailers but for aircraft.. That way you have multiple angles of restraint.. 👍🏼👍🏼 I’m a 2T2
Thank you
I was told to cross chain the 4 point. Left to right and right to left?
Here in New York state, a DOT cop told me they want wheeled or tracked equipment cross chained. I'm not sure if lever binders are still acceptable or if they want ratchet binders like you used, that's what I use too. I think they're safer than the lever binder. I was also told by a state trooper that even something like a brush hog or front end loader on a tractor is considered a hydraulic implement so that's supposed to be chained down too, hooked to the machine or not. So it's 4 chains for the machine and at least one chain on any implement, in my case, I have a loader and brush hog on my tractor, so I'm supposed to have 6 chains on the load.
DOT regs rcomends crossed chains for equipment over 10k whever possible (some equipment makes it impossible. Lever binders are still DOT compliant but many companies require ratchet style.
My husband was wondering where to find the orange hat you wear a lot in your videos?
You can NEVER have enough chains... rather be safe than sorry
well said👊
@@Dirtmonkey my man
Watch officer Hoover’s videos on load securement. He’s Indiana state trooper, he knows what’s what.
I tried to get one of my DOT officers to do that with me but they refused and said they could not do that for legal requirements?!?
Yes
Officer Hoover is in charge of the Facebook page and will answer ppls questions as well.
@@Dirtmonkey They probably dont know the law that well and dont want to be responsible for miss information/look like and idoit. That or they dont want to do it and that is their bs response to get out of it. Talk to Hoover hes solid and will help you out.
Great video as always Stan! Thumbs up! Hey, did you ever post a video of the burn pile from of that hoarders property that you helped Frankie with?
Not yet!
@@Dirtmonkey I've been waiting and waiting to see that one:)
We over load our 40 year old trailer with our tractor everytime we need to move it. Lots of chains and pray to god we don’t have a stop fast. How’s your day going Stan? Short comment today but I got to get home
Sounds like a busy day.
4 wheel parking brakes would be a good addition to your work trucks they are not too expensive to install I put one in my personal truck
Never thought of that
Stan, awesome video as always! I’m looking at stepping up to a track loader...I’ll definitely be getting some speed binders....unfortunately I’ve seen what happens when rollers and graders either flip or come off a trailer...securing equipment is absolutely critical, as well as checking, double and triple checking your loads! Buddy check whenever possible.
Is it Legal? Huge fan of the Officer Hoover videos...understanding states have different laws too. Some states require buckets or attachments be strapped/ bound separately.
As you said, Never too many chains or straps!
~Jon@SBYD!