Funny you should mention that because during Sandy my street was under 5 ft of water. We evacuated that day long story short I applied to FEMA and they put me up at the W for 3 months and then an additional one month at Gild Hall - a Thompson Square Hotel. After 4 months of renovating and restoring the building everything has been fine ever since. But hey look at Florida it was pummeled and it's due for yet another hurricane and Floridiant said we'd be underwater before they were.
I would recommend that you interview people who use New York as a port and therefore understand, as a navigational issue, the currents that flow around and through the city. The East River, for example is not actually a "river". It is an estuary that connects Long Island Sound with New York Harbor. The Hudson River is indeed a river, but it is also strongly tidal because of its powerful connection to the Atlantic Ocean by way of New York Harbor. So if the Atlantic Ocean enters the city directly into New York Harbor and indirectly through Long Island Sound, while the Hudson River brings a substantial amount of fresh water through the net ebb of its tidal cycle, what good is a wall between Sandy Hook and Breezy Point?
Just the wall is definitely not enough. When you close the gates and the water level in the river is high, the water from upstream has no place to go. Therefore you also need a runoff area. The room for the river plan we have where I live deals with that. You build dykes along the rivers, but you also have places where nobody lives and that can hold a lot of water so that water can flow into that area when the storm surge barrier is closed. When the storm has passed and the gates reopen the water can flow away. America has a lot of space to make such area's unlike the Netherlands, so if we can make room for the river, then so can you. Most of the things you need are already in use in Japan and the Netherlands for example. Just copy and adjust to your specific needs.
The wall is intended to reduce a storm surge only, basically constand high winds that temporarily pushing water into the harbor and temporarily raising the sea level (an extra 8 feet above high tide is not unheard of). In a static situation, the water will eventually flow into the harbor, but that takes time. By the time water flows in from the other routes, the storm and its winds will have past.
Interesting that the City hasn’t built a wave generator to power it’s essential services. If the Hudson is so tidal then runoffs wouldn’t be needed. It just needs political vision and perhaps state intervention to get the ball rolling.
Putting a bandaid on a much bigger problem. As Queens resident who lives by Jamaica Bay which is just as close to the the water as Lower Manhattan seems like that section of Queens and areas like Bayside, Flushing, Whitestone will get hit hard again when the next storm comes.
Fellow Queens resident, Astorian here. 🤝The low lying areas always seem to get hit hardest here, it seems like every time we get a bunch of rain these areas flood. I hope it gets safer for all of us.
Ok. But realistically you and I know climate change aint gonna just stop magically. Better to do something than just watch and let some cities get washed away
When I was in the army and deployed the Germany. I spent a lot of time off in the Netherlands. Nothing makes me more upset then rising water projects just blowing money away like beer. We need to build cities thinking 150 years from now, Not 30 years from now. Minimum 100 yard wetland absorbing zone from any river,lake or ocean. And all new dikes and levies need to be set back Minimum 50 yards away from water sources. And when possible build river ways intentionally to reroute water in storms. Denmark river ways are dual purpose. Tourists attraction and flood control, with almost no maintenance cost of pumps and gates.
The problem is that the people in charge of building our cities and have the money generally only Care about profit and building a 150 year future proof building is much more expensive and well alot of them are going to be ethier dead or very old in 30 years
Yeah, I was thinking that: "If you're spending the money, now, to raise this stuff a little bit, then why not go all the way while you're at it and design for the worst-case scenario that you expect to be the end-result. You're already doing the work, and it's only going to be more expensive when you have to redo it".
@@c182SkylaneRG I wish people in power would think like that but they only Carr about this year's budget and they fear scrutiny if they spend lots of money from people who thinks more money should be spent on sewage treatment or road maintaining or more understanding hospitals or the homeless instead of worst case scenario infstrcture project
In the States, at least, you need to keep republicans out of power at all levels to have even a hope at that sort of (slightly) longer term thinking. Looooonng gone are the days of a gop that thought about protecting the environment.
@You need a medic get to Amsterdam and see the vision for New York. Explore the Netherlands and learn from a tough, resilient nation that has claimed back huge areas of salt water wetlands that have been adapted for cash crops. Don’t judge Holland by your own narrow, blinkered standards.
6 feet of sea level rise.. but Sandy sent a 13 foot wall of water into lower Manhattan… we’re STILL fixing that (Hudson River tunnels out of Penn Station need major replacement work to get the salt water corrosion out.)
@@luvindersingh6472 they repaired most of those, the worst was the brand new south ferry stop on the 1, completely submerged to the top of the escalators. Everything had to be ripped out and replaced. They had to go back to using the old loop station above it.
That oyster project that cleans the water might want to be increased to restore water cleanliness… that will address the water cleanliness situation somewhat.
When people suggest sea walls, I am always, “Damn It!” Why can’t they have the Dutch back at New York to help the urban area. After all, the Dutch did found the city.
Funny joke about New Amsterdam although the Native Americans are still trying to reclaim their land with some powerful arguments. It’s a shame the media are belittling this effort as a joke.
The deadline to reverse our impact on global climate change is only 25-30 years away. If it isn't stopped we're going to be in a whole new world and it isn't going to be that great. The habitability of naturally stable land is going to be less than half of what we have available now. How are over 10 billion people going to live in an area less than half of what we have now? It's going to be madness! I know this all sounds fantastical and crazy but if humanity as a whole doesn't turn itself around with the pollution it generates we're heading towards a dystopian society. 🤷
@@jessehinman8340 it doesn't sound crazy at all. The scientific community agrees. That's why I said we might not have a future. But so much investment goes to short-term solutions like these, instead of stopping this trajectory of doom.
The world isn’t going to end solely from climate change, you shouldn’t focus primarily on the bad news. Of course, climate change is a big issue and being aware of it is useful, however, pessimism has never done anything good for us, the climate issue is being focused on, it’s no longer the 2000 and 2010s where nothing will be done.
@@silverlining7112 you have to understand however, that sea levels are going to increase, if nothing is done to actively defend cities, there will be locations that are submerged, that’s why both reactive and proactive measures are being taken, to minimize the potential damage and to further negate the minimized damage
Me sitting in southeast Louisiana who has been dealing with this all my life. My parents dealt with it. My grandparents dealt with it. Have fun New York City. You will think you will have the problem solved, then mother nature throws you a curve ball and somewhere else in the city will flood because of the structures you build.
New Yorkers are so great at coming together and planning and actually executing those plans. I could hardly say the same about my locality. Hope to visit this great city one day!!
Building more, producing more, consuming more is exactly what has accelerated this situation. I have little hope that we can "build" our way out of the catastrophe. We need to learn to work with the nature, not against it. It might be cheaper to invest in relocating businesses and people to higher grounds when we still have the time, than to build "a wall" that may or may not work.
Someone understands it… also preparing to fight a monster while still feeding it… the monster will definitely outgrow us… (monster being climate change and we feeding it with oil and concrete, just in case someone can’t understand analogies)
I agree obviously about what got us here but you are wrong about effectives measures to manage sea levels. These things have proven very effective in vulnerable communities on islands. Artificial reefs and reinforcing dunes, these things have shown to work. I'm all for getting rid of fossil fuels hell I wish they'd do it tomorrow, but they won't do it, so we should try this too. Whats the big objection?
Protecting ourselves from sea level rises should always include an ambitous but achievable goal to reduce our greenhouse gas emitions. If we can slow down the amount of warming we create, the less money we wil have to spend on these kinds of infrastructure.
The problem is people. Both side of the climate change argument are too far divided and neither side is willing to compromise. The best solution to our situation is some where in the middle of the two factions.
@@huntsbychainsaw5986 It isn't for the "can we, maybe, not let environmental chaos continue" side to 'compromise'. There is no more 'wait and see' time left.
Even if NY state goes carbon-neutral tomorrow, nothing is stopping the rest of the U.S. or World from following suit. Texas continues to build oil pumps every day! Brazil is still cutting down their Amazon! Climate change is global, so NY can only make preparations internally for now.
Chicken Little fearmongering. They exploit 2 huge storms that hit the City. You never see video of actual sea level rises. And they never talk about cities that are sinking under their own weight. They call that 'rising levels.' Proof of no change? Easy. Look at photos of the Fowey Rocks Tower south of Miami. When built 100 years ago and now. NO CHANGE in the sea level! And the same stupid sandbars in Biscayne Bay that require boats to navigate around are still there, still the same. (A foot rise would be very helpful there!)
Considering how much of the US' economy sits on the San Juancisco, Los Angeles and New York city areas alone, one would think the US would be pushing like absolute hell to protect their literal biggest sources of revenue, at all costs. Man, capitalism really destroys everything, even itself.
Blaming Capitalism? You are so densely brainwashed that you really shouldn't be commenting on anything that involves other people... You Marxist More-on.
@Kadin Fauzin No, let's not make false dichotomies. Let's compare the the the fall in poverty levels, the rise of income, in countries with free market economies.., compared with every other economy, especially with any government run economy. Capitalism is a economic system that allows individuals to make their own decisions without Government interference. It is not a system, or philosophy of Government, as ignorant SJWs insist on believing... I repeat, Marxist More-on.
@Kadin Fauzin the one that actually sits near resources used in production as opposed to a hub on trade routes that relies on aging infrastructure and could eventually be replaced if need be (especially since large centralised office buildings are slightly less relevant thanks to the internet) Edit: or rather I should say the one that's contributions aren't offset entirely by costs. Net contribution/cost
tip: ask the dutch to make similair systems like they made at Rotterdam and the rest of the country... it could 1 save many lives and 2 save lots of money!
i just see one problem with the USA... They don't look at other like the Dutch to improve their situation... They think by doing it their way it will fix itself.. i can tell you that hasn't worked in New Orleans..
New Orleans and southeast Louisiana deals with floods both ways. From the gulf during hurricanes and from the river during seasonal flooding. Much of the infrastructure we built in the distant past to facilitate water abatement and ship traffic worked against us. Not only this, when you protect one area, it just floods another with lesser protection because now water is pushed in a different direction. When it comes to mother nature and controlling water, it is extremely hard to find a solution to protect everyone.
One of the solutions to save New-York city is also bring the pipe from red to dead sea. Because it helps to evacuate the surplus of water from the Oceans.
That's why I don't live in the midwest I'm from here and have been to New Hampshire and minus 30° it's no big thing. Plus Florida is far worse off and hit more often than we were or are. Because the tornado can touch down at any given moment without warning. Unlike a pending hurricane we're warning is given prior to being hit and evacuation can occur and save lives.
In many coastal locations, sea level rise is relative. Many coastlines are sinking in the US further enhancing any changes in ocean levels. Oddly in Scandinavian countries some of the coastlines are rising due to rebound from the past glaciers making the sea level to appear as if it’s sinking. It’s all relative.
Hunters Point South Park is my favorite in the entire city. I live in the vicinity and this park also includes loads of public seating, a public library, and a plethora of food trucks. It’s also much quieter than other comparable parks in Manhattan or Brooklyn. ❤ from NYC.
There is not enough money in the world economy to save Florida in the long run. The geology and geography makes it infeasible. Even if you build the worlds biggest, best seawall, water will just seep up through the ground. NYC's situation is much more feasible, but still expensive.
I wonder if the people in charge are forgetting that just because the sea level will rise, does not mean that that level is going to be a threat. If the water rises by 3ft, there's no point in building something to withstand a 6ft water rise. Hurricane sandy sent water surges of 13ft into New York.. If the water level is 3ft or 6ft higher (provided the world hasn't ended yet) and you get more storms of that size, you need your city to be able to withstand water surges that are 20ft higher than the current water level.. That's just not possible.
A foot of risen sea level might sound not much, but think about it. Its a foot ALL OVER the ocean. Can you imagine how much more water that is? And all this additional water comes into the coast during storms. (actually, its not a foot over the whole ocean, its kinda local. There are tides and waves, but its still an enormous area and an unbelievable amount of extra water)
The lawn that absorbs half a million gallons of storm water runoff is super cool. It keep the pullulated water from going into the rivers, alleviates strain on the storm water sewers, filters the water back into earth, and it keeps help the grass green!. Its a win-win for everything!
Because like someone just said that was done in the 1950s. This is being proposed now costs have gone up and around much higher plus their system may not be practical for our proposed system.
If an electric car is let’s say, 30,000, then we could buy nearly 4 million electric cars. Or, you could do a program and offer people the chance to pay 15,000 and the government would pay for the other 15,000 and you’d have almost 8 million electric cars on the roads. Or you could use that 119 billion to invest in public transit (and make sure it actually works out by holding politicians and mayors accountable if the train system fails, by sending them to jail if they fuck it up). Or we could add solar panels around the USA and convert more of our energy into a green renewable. Maybe we could buy tree seeds at a dollar each and plant 50 or 100 billion trees in the USA. We could do more things that’ll have better long term benefits than a bandage to help stop one city’s coastal houses from flooding.
@@chemicalfrankie1030 not saying everyone in nyc needs to be relocated, just people directly on the coast who’s houses would sink with the sea level rise depicted in the video.
Wow, grass, trees, and a salt marsh? Surely that will stop the pollution and climate change from a giant city! You know who else has grass and trees? The average house in the countryside. My backyard. A forest. Basically everywhere. Salt marshes are more efficient than forests? Doesn't mean they make a big difference, how many places can salt marshes actually be? Forests can be everywhere. Like looking at a needle in a haystack and bragging that you've introduced a needle!
Ur probably going to need to install duch style moving flood barriers on ny harbor likely going from Staten Island to queens so that if a major tidal event comes they can close the gates and seal off the harbor
heres a great solution. build a surrounding wall and build large pipes into it to direct water wherever would be best. the pipes would generate power if equipped and they would reduce tidal pressure on the wall making it last longer. in the event of water level increase from say a bad storm would generate enough power to even pump the water somewhere else.
that sea barrier in the thumbnail is actually the maeslantkering an enormous storm surge barrier which protects the harbour entrance of rotterdam, which has the largest ball bearings in the whole world to allow the walls to rotate into a closed position
Build a seawall, connecting two narrow sandbars, across four miles of open water? I don't think that's possible. It might be feasible to build two smaller storm barriers: One just north of the Verrazzano Narrows Bridge and the other across the Arthur Kill at Perth Amboy. Both barriers would have to be opened and closed relatively quickly, and both would require massive pumping systems to move accumulated water seaward. NYC also needs a plan to gradually cede really low-lying areas -- like Coney Island, Broad Channel, and the Rockaways -- back to the ocean.
@@XavierAway banning a lot more cars in the city since it's really not needed to use a car in such a dense city. and there need to be an extreme focus on safety by building a LOT more bikelanes cause even nyc streets are unsafe as hell.
Really? Let's hear your suggestions. Please be specific. Nothing vague, like; "We (meaning people other than yourself) need to do something" Also include the practical effects that your "solutions" will have on each country that implements your plans. This would necessarily include financial and economic impacts. (like, how many people will need to be killed in order for your plans to be effective)
Oh oh...someone doing some real fact checking. Most of the sea level rise projections are really outlandish. However it still makes sense to build protection for the occasional combination of hurricane surge with a high tide.
Why? Wouldn't the water fill in the deserts below sea level first? Y'know, the places that have tons of aquatic fossils that seem to go until the ice caps formed due to a natural disaster seemingly caused global cooling?
@@EricDavidFloyd I meant that it's people who live in places that used to be underwater before the ice caps formed that need to be a little more worried
This may be expensive, but I think that building a wall from New Jersey to Long Island is the best option, building a swing door would allow it to be closed when there is a storm. But I'm not done, I'd also build a road over it allowing another connection to NY, which would allow trade to run smoother and also reduce traffic, tolls would fund part of the cost. Just think about it how many billions have been spent every time there has been a storm? Should we continue to risk lives and spend billions in the future?
i noticed that all of the east side protection begins north of the manhattan bridge, does that mean that the land is higher below the manhattan bride going south towards south ferry?
A wall is a WALL. Not sure why they didn't follow the steps like how the Dutch are doing things because you need to allow some access of water to flow due to the Atlantic's currents.
I think that they should also start building a new rapid transit in the city. The New York subway is just not feasible anymore with the constant flooding and other issues that plays it today. Suspended systems like the Chicago L probably would work very well in New York. I mean aside from the billions of dollars and overall problems with construction/ geography issues....it’s a good plan I think?
Except as a resident who has lived here since 2004 and commuted to Grand Central Terminal over a 30-year period our infrastructure doesn't permit that and even though our transit system is over 100 years old we're not about to rip up everything at the drop of a dime. The outer burrows have subways that are above ground. Manhattan it's not practical. Plus the new Grand Central Madison station has just opened connecting Penn Station to Grand Central terminal and I get around just fine on our outdated and antiquated subway system.
While the hysterical love to scream about climate change they forget that whether we have accelerated sea level rise or not, the key word is accelerated, not caused, as in created a situation that wouldn't have occurred at some point in the relatively near future anyway. Unless, of course, the sea were to retreat causing a whole new set of issues. We have developed our cities in one of the most stable periods of geologic and climate periods in Earth's history and now we pretend the world as we know it now has always been like this. It hasn't and we've known for quite some times that eventually we'd have to face rising seas and even farther into the future, receding seas. But we continue to act as if we only switch to electric cars and turn the A/C up a few degrees that we will stop a process that was going to continue whether man kind was here or not. The issue is cities that thought they could keep putting off infrastructure and zoning regulations related to water intrusion for several more generations and leave someone else holding that bag are upset because we pushed up the timeline on the inevitable and now they have to deal with it. Well, tough toenails. Even those municipalities that are taking proactive steps are only taking half measures that will almost surely cause more issues than they solve. If you don't fully surround a perimeter you simply push water to other places you thought were safe. Of course, no one wants to do the smartest thing which is just to stop allowing new business and residential construction in areas of known current and future water infiltration and to begin moving areas in danger back or relocate them entirely when possible. Obviously that can't be done everywhere right now. But if you honestly believe that after spending billions you've only bought yourself fifty to a hundred years then you better do something other than build levees and flood gates. If I were the mayor of a coastal town I'd lobby for restrictions against building closer to the ocean or river than what engineers and science said was the likely 500 year flood plain. Unless the builder signed waivers to not seek insurance assistance from the locality and put up a bond that would cover the cost of it's cleanup after a storm. Before the storm, not after when they declare bankruptcy and skate. Currently that might drive business away because the problem is still decades away from being a multi billion dollar issue in most areas outside of New York, Florida and some parts of the Gulf coast states. But when states and counties make big concessions to attract business who build 100 feet from the ocean and the inevitable disaster or creeping rise occurs the cost will be astounding.
Wow I've typed deposition shorter than that for corporate law firms because last time I checked the only people screaming about climate change were the thought challenged. Meanwhile the topic could have been about anal warts and I'd read a statement about Let's go Brandon or something about Biden, Hillary and liberals in all honesty I'd rather just go to brunch.
What is a New York City doing rather than playing defense? How about stopping the excessive consumption in New York City that pollutes the environment?
Let's just build a HUGE wall all around NYC.. and raise the city up little by little.. I think we can raise everything up.. it will just take time. But first we need the wall. Lol
nobody seems to realise that things don't just stop at 2050 and a thing that increases from now to then will continue to increase beyond these ridiculous estimates.
You mean the deserts below sea level that used to be deep underwater until the ice caps formed long ago due to global cooling following a natural disaster?
It does look lackluster you’re right. As Queens resident who lives by Jamaica Bay which is just as close to the the water as Lower Manhattan seems like that section of Queens and areas like Bayside, Flushing, Whitestone will get hit hard again when the next storm comes.
Why? Wouldn't the excess water make it's way through the water cycle to pool in all the deserts below sea level that were covered in aquatic life before the ice caps seem to have formed?
@@__jonbud______________________ No, that's not how that works... if you're referring to deserts with fish fossils then you should look up tectonic plates moving, most of the deserts with said fossils use to be much deeper. Also they're deserts due to the fact that no moisture is around them so the water cycle wouldn't bring water to them without other major changes such as changes to the global wind streams and such
@@scottmad8563 more water in the water cycle means it should be able to spill over in the form of rain just by sheer excess and in some cases, the same conditions that prevent rain from reaching some regions might also trap some of it there. Rain is rare in the desert, but not unprecedented. Any increase in the surface area of the ocean means more water in the water cycle due to evaporation. More water in the water cycle means more rain. More rain means more of it slipping past and getting into deserts, plains, and valleys where it'll pool at the lowest elevations it can reach.
"Take the town, and push it somewhere else"
-great thinker and statesmen
Yeah, into the Hudson river
I was thinking the same thing, well democrats wasting money again i guess
Patrick?
So the people who built the city there didnt know geography?
@@matthewcoffey372 It's a joke from SpongeBob. If you seriously think that's a good idea, you're as dumb as the rock Patrick sleeps under.
When the storm surge barrier is built it might be time to change the name back to New Amsterdam
Hahaha
Funny you should mention that because during Sandy my street was under 5 ft of water. We evacuated that day long story short I applied to FEMA and they put me up at the W for 3 months and then an additional one month at Gild Hall - a Thompson Square Hotel. After 4 months of renovating and restoring the building everything has been fine ever since. But hey look at Florida it was pummeled and it's due for yet another hurricane and Floridiant said we'd be underwater before they were.
NY as well maybe not this year.
I would recommend that you interview people who use New York as a port and therefore understand, as a navigational issue, the currents that flow around and through the city. The East River, for example is not actually a "river". It is an estuary that connects Long Island Sound with New York Harbor. The Hudson River is indeed a river, but it is also strongly tidal because of its powerful connection to the Atlantic Ocean by way of New York Harbor. So if the Atlantic Ocean enters the city directly into New York Harbor and indirectly through Long Island Sound, while the Hudson River brings a substantial amount of fresh water through the net ebb of its tidal cycle, what good is a wall between Sandy Hook and Breezy Point?
Just the wall is definitely not enough. When you close the gates and the water level in the river is high, the water from upstream has no place to go. Therefore you also need a runoff area. The room for the river plan we have where I live deals with that. You build dykes along the rivers, but you also have places where nobody lives and that can hold a lot of water so that water can flow into that area when the storm surge barrier is closed. When the storm has passed and the gates reopen the water can flow away. America has a lot of space to make such area's unlike the Netherlands, so if we can make room for the river, then so can you. Most of the things you need are already in use in Japan and the Netherlands for example. Just copy and adjust to your specific needs.
The wall is intended to reduce a storm surge only, basically constand high winds that temporarily pushing water into the harbor and temporarily raising the sea level (an extra 8 feet above high tide is not unheard of). In a static situation, the water will eventually flow into the harbor, but that takes time. By the time water flows in from the other routes, the storm and its winds will have past.
The barrier would essentially serve the same purpose as the Thames Barrier built in London- Just to prevent a surge, basically
It's not a total solution but it's not **not** part of a wider one.
Interesting that the City hasn’t built a wave generator to power it’s essential services. If the Hudson is so tidal then runoffs wouldn’t be needed. It just needs political vision and perhaps state intervention to get the ball rolling.
Putting a bandaid on a much bigger problem. As Queens resident who lives by Jamaica Bay which is just as close to the the water as Lower Manhattan seems like that section of Queens and areas like Bayside, Flushing, Whitestone will get hit hard again when the next storm comes.
Fellow Queens resident, Astorian here. 🤝The low lying areas always seem to get hit hardest here, it seems like every time we get a bunch of rain these areas flood. I hope it gets safer for all of us.
yeah well, hip hop and you don't stop
Ok. But realistically you and I know climate change aint gonna just stop magically. Better to do something than just watch and let some cities get washed away
And if it's not that then it's another virus, or mass killing, we can't get a break
Lies I love in Flushing and we never get hit hard, lol!
When I was in the army and deployed the Germany. I spent a lot of time off in the Netherlands.
Nothing makes me more upset then rising water projects just blowing money away like beer.
We need to build cities thinking 150 years from now, Not 30 years from now.
Minimum 100 yard wetland absorbing zone from any river,lake or ocean. And all new dikes and levies need to be set back Minimum 50 yards away from water sources.
And when possible build river ways intentionally to reroute water in storms. Denmark river ways are dual purpose. Tourists attraction and flood control, with almost no maintenance cost of pumps and gates.
The problem is that the people in charge of building our cities and have the money generally only Care about profit and building a 150 year future proof building is much more expensive and well alot of them are going to be ethier dead or very old in 30 years
Yeah, I was thinking that: "If you're spending the money, now, to raise this stuff a little bit, then why not go all the way while you're at it and design for the worst-case scenario that you expect to be the end-result. You're already doing the work, and it's only going to be more expensive when you have to redo it".
@@c182SkylaneRG I wish people in power would think like that but they only Carr about this year's budget and they fear scrutiny if they spend lots of money from people who thinks more money should be spent on sewage treatment or road maintaining or more understanding hospitals or the homeless instead of worst case scenario infstrcture project
Its like parents houses, families grow bigger and bigger, but the rooms still the same size for decades.
In the States, at least, you need to keep republicans out of power at all levels to have even a hope at that sort of (slightly) longer term thinking.
Looooonng gone are the days of a gop that thought about protecting the environment.
Just ask the Netherlands they've been fighting this fight for decades
Centuries really
@You need a medic get to Amsterdam and see the vision for New York. Explore the Netherlands and learn from a tough, resilient nation that has claimed back huge areas of salt water wetlands that have been adapted for cash crops. Don’t judge Holland by your own narrow, blinkered standards.
6 feet of sea level rise.. but Sandy sent a 13 foot wall of water into lower Manhattan… we’re STILL fixing that (Hudson River tunnels out of Penn Station need major replacement work to get the salt water corrosion out.)
Don’t forget the subway stations which are covered with filth and corrosion
@@luvindersingh6472 they repaired most of those, the worst was the brand new south ferry stop on the 1, completely submerged to the top of the escalators. Everything had to be ripped out and replaced. They had to go back to using the old loop station above it.
@Jesus is LORD Nobody cares about your imaginary space wizard. Go away.
@Jesus is LORD shut up
That oyster project that cleans the water might want to be increased to restore water cleanliness… that will address the water cleanliness situation somewhat.
Why we have Ocean Cleanup. Which does deploy in 3rd world countries first so NY can definately apply.
Please look up riverbank state park
When people suggest sea walls, I am always, “Damn It!”
Why can’t they have the Dutch back at New York to help the urban area. After all, the Dutch did found the city.
Gekoloniseerd?
Gekoloniseerd?
Gekoloniseerd?
Explain this "Dutch" thing?
Funny joke about New Amsterdam although the Native Americans are still trying to reclaim their land with some powerful arguments. It’s a shame the media are belittling this effort as a joke.
"...that will protect New York decades into the future..." And here I am thinking if there will even be a future
The deadline to reverse our impact on global climate change is only 25-30 years away. If it isn't stopped we're going to be in a whole new world and it isn't going to be that great. The habitability of naturally stable land is going to be less than half of what we have available now. How are over 10 billion people going to live in an area less than half of what we have now? It's going to be madness! I know this all sounds fantastical and crazy but if humanity as a whole doesn't turn itself around with the pollution it generates we're heading towards a dystopian society. 🤷
@@jessehinman8340 it doesn't sound crazy at all. The scientific community agrees. That's why I said we might not have a future. But so much investment goes to short-term solutions like these, instead of stopping this trajectory of doom.
Things will be fine don’t be such a doomet
The world isn’t going to end solely from climate change, you shouldn’t focus primarily on the bad news. Of course, climate change is a big issue and being aware of it is useful, however, pessimism has never done anything good for us, the climate issue is being focused on, it’s no longer the 2000 and 2010s where nothing will be done.
@@silverlining7112 you have to understand however, that sea levels are going to increase, if nothing is done to actively defend cities, there will be locations that are submerged, that’s why both reactive and proactive measures are being taken, to minimize the potential damage and to further negate the minimized damage
Me sitting in southeast Louisiana who has been dealing with this all my life. My parents dealt with it. My grandparents dealt with it. Have fun New York City. You will think you will have the problem solved, then mother nature throws you a curve ball and somewhere else in the city will flood because of the structures you build.
the dutch figured it out. if you cant do it, just bring them in.
Dutch cities really be chilling below the ocean
Thank you for wishing us bad.
We Americans should learn from the countries that handle this but they are too arrogant
Giving up and accepting failure is why you keep getting flooded and your state is so broke.
6:35 is designed by a Dutch firm I suppose, they are the same as the existing maaslandkering floodgates/storm surge barrier in the Netherlands
New York is New Amsterdam
That did look a bit like Rotterdam's Delta Works.
@@CortexNewsService Cool but I thought that was a national project. Since when does Rotterdam claim it for it's own?
US is known for stealing and copying other designs and technology. Hardly a surprise.
@@MrFlatage it is a national project, but that swinging gate is at Rotterdam
New Yorkers are so great at coming together and planning and actually executing those plans. I could hardly say the same about my locality. Hope to visit this great city one day!!
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In this instance, yes they do, they come up with brilliant ideas and designs to help adapt with rising seas. Other issues, I’m not so sure about.
@@Delta_NWAB747fan Lincoln Tunnel replacement
NYC is arguably one of the worse built cities in the World. Its more like DIY NYC.
@@chrisklugh that’s your opinion honey 🍯 you don’t have to live here but you don’t need to be salty 🧂
This is why I live in outer space
Building more, producing more, consuming more is exactly what has accelerated this situation.
I have little hope that we can "build" our way out of the catastrophe. We need to learn to work with the nature, not against it.
It might be cheaper to invest in relocating businesses and people to higher grounds when we still have the time, than to build "a wall" that may or may not work.
Someone understands it… also preparing to fight a monster while still feeding it… the monster will definitely outgrow us…
(monster being climate change and we feeding it with oil and concrete, just in case someone can’t understand analogies)
LMAO! There has been ZERO significant change in sea level since the US Navy has been CLOSELY monitoring it 82 years ago. ..,,
@@protonneutron9046 ah-huh sit down clown, the circus is over.
@@Riyoshi000 Aw, when confronted with truth the m0r0ns say sit down
I agree obviously about what got us here but you are wrong about effectives measures to manage sea levels. These things have proven very effective in vulnerable communities on islands. Artificial reefs and reinforcing dunes, these things have shown to work. I'm all for getting rid of fossil fuels hell I wish they'd do it tomorrow, but they won't do it, so we should try this too. Whats the big objection?
Protecting ourselves from sea level rises should always include an ambitous but achievable goal to reduce our greenhouse gas emitions. If we can slow down the amount of warming we create, the less money we wil have to spend on these kinds of infrastructure.
The problem is people. Both side of the climate change argument are too far divided and neither side is willing to compromise. The best solution to our situation is some where in the middle of the two factions.
Drastically reducing methane emissions is the better immediate goal: you'd see improvements in a decade.
@@huntsbychainsaw5986 It isn't for the "can we, maybe, not let environmental chaos continue" side to 'compromise'.
There is no more 'wait and see' time left.
Even if NY state goes carbon-neutral tomorrow, nothing is stopping the rest of the U.S. or World from following suit. Texas continues to build oil pumps every day! Brazil is still cutting down their Amazon! Climate change is global, so NY can only make preparations internally for now.
Chicken Little fearmongering. They exploit 2 huge storms that hit the City. You never see video of actual sea level rises. And they never talk about cities that are sinking under their own weight. They call that 'rising levels.' Proof of no change? Easy. Look at photos of the Fowey Rocks Tower south of Miami. When built 100 years ago and now. NO CHANGE in the sea level! And the same stupid sandbars in Biscayne Bay that require boats to navigate around are still there, still the same. (A foot rise would be very helpful there!)
Considering how much of the US' economy sits on the San Juancisco, Los Angeles and New York city areas alone, one would think the US would be pushing like absolute hell to protect their literal biggest sources of revenue, at all costs. Man, capitalism really destroys everything, even itself.
Blaming Capitalism? You are so densely brainwashed that you really shouldn't be commenting on anything that involves other people... You Marxist More-on.
Communism and all of the other Isms are no better.
Thats not even true
@Kadin Fauzin No, let's not make false dichotomies. Let's compare the the the fall in poverty levels, the rise of income, in countries with free market economies.., compared with every other economy, especially with any government run economy. Capitalism is a economic system that allows individuals to make their own decisions without Government interference. It is not a system, or philosophy of Government, as ignorant SJWs insist on believing... I repeat, Marxist More-on.
@Kadin Fauzin the one that actually sits near resources used in production as opposed to a hub on trade routes that relies on aging infrastructure and could eventually be replaced if need be (especially since large centralised office buildings are slightly less relevant thanks to the internet)
Edit: or rather I should say the one that's contributions aren't offset entirely by costs. Net contribution/cost
tip: ask the dutch to make similair systems like they made at Rotterdam and the rest of the country... it could 1 save many lives and 2 save lots of money!
i just see one problem with the USA... They don't look at other like the Dutch to improve their situation... They think by doing it their way it will fix itself.. i can tell you that hasn't worked in New Orleans..
New Orleans and southeast Louisiana deals with floods both ways. From the gulf during hurricanes and from the river during seasonal flooding. Much of the infrastructure we built in the distant past to facilitate water abatement and ship traffic worked against us. Not only this, when you protect one area, it just floods another with lesser protection because now water is pushed in a different direction. When it comes to mother nature and controlling water, it is extremely hard to find a solution to protect everyone.
One of the solutions to save New-York city is also bring the pipe from red to dead sea. Because it helps to evacuate the surplus of water from the Oceans.
this is seriously a solution?
@@ebob0531 Yep.
This is why I like living in the Midwest, all I have to worry about is tornadoes. I never seen one in real life and not planning on it anytime soon.
...and Yellowstone erupting within our lifetimes
@@MarloSoBalJr One disaster at a time 😅
@@MarloSoBalJr And the New Madrid earthquake being overdue.
That's why I don't live in the midwest I'm from here and have been to New Hampshire and minus 30° it's no big thing. Plus Florida is far worse off and hit more often than we were or are.
Because the tornado can touch down at any given moment without warning. Unlike a pending hurricane we're warning is given prior to being hit and evacuation can occur and save lives.
What's that old adage that everyone has seem to forgotten...
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
Has anyone noticed the lack of sea level rise? For example, the Statue of Liberty Island sea-level is the same as the day it was commemorated
In many coastal locations, sea level rise is relative. Many coastlines are sinking in the US further enhancing any changes in ocean levels. Oddly in Scandinavian countries some of the coastlines are rising due to rebound from the past glaciers making the sea level to appear as if it’s sinking. It’s all relative.
@@richarddrum9970 Vancouver Island is rising 2-3 cm a year
This is why I live 8000 feet above sea level.
Where do you live?
My 900 feet above sea level seems adequate to me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Me too!
That's why we live on the moon
I've accepted my fate and live 1000 feet below sea level
Hunters Point South Park is my favorite in the entire city. I live in the vicinity and this park also includes loads of public seating, a public library, and a plethora of food trucks. It’s also much quieter than other comparable parks in Manhattan or Brooklyn. ❤ from NYC.
I love that park as well but it's far from quiet lol that park be loud especially on weekends during the spring and summer
I'm in love w the lady in the hard had. truly an icon
The sea barrier seems like the least optimal project, Manhattan and the burrows need to be able to flush out all the toxic waste that accumulates.
NYC has the money to do what will be necessary. Even Miami does. Places like Jakarta have not.
There is not enough money in the world economy to save Florida in the long run. The geology and geography makes it infeasible. Even if you build the worlds biggest, best seawall, water will just seep up through the ground. NYC's situation is much more feasible, but still expensive.
Miami is built on Limestone, so sea walls won’t do anything to stop the ocean
Can or have you'll done a video on the prediction for Florida’s sea level
I wonder if the people in charge are forgetting that just because the sea level will rise, does not mean that that level is going to be a threat. If the water rises by 3ft, there's no point in building something to withstand a 6ft water rise. Hurricane sandy sent water surges of 13ft into New York.. If the water level is 3ft or 6ft higher (provided the world hasn't ended yet) and you get more storms of that size, you need your city to be able to withstand water surges that are 20ft higher than the current water level.. That's just not possible.
A foot of risen sea level might sound not much, but think about it. Its a foot ALL OVER the ocean. Can you imagine how much more water that is? And all this additional water comes into the coast during storms.
(actually, its not a foot over the whole ocean, its kinda local. There are tides and waves, but its still an enormous area and an unbelievable amount of extra water)
hurricane Ida was a vibe, my building's basement became a swimming pool
Any plans or projects are a stop gap. Unfortunately, sooner or later everyone will have to head for higher land.
The lawn that absorbs half a million gallons of storm water runoff is super cool. It keep the pullulated water from going into the rivers, alleviates strain on the storm water sewers, filters the water back into earth, and it keeps help the grass green!. Its a win-win for everything!
Why does it cost 119 billion dollars. The deltaworks in the Netherlands costed only 5.4 billion dollars
that was started in the 50s...
@@Parth-Patel1997 than in today's value it would have costed 65.6 billion dollars.
Corruption
Because like someone just said that was done in the 1950s. This is being proposed now costs have gone up and around much higher plus their system may not be practical for our proposed system.
Riddler: You sure about that?
6' by 2100 yes, but its an exponential curve. We have over 65' in the pipeline even if we completely stop carbon production today.
They are just buying time, but the sea is coming for them and the Dutch as well.
119 billion could just be used on either relocation or on climate change solutions, not bandages.
Building storm and coastal infrastructure is a necessity for coastal cities even without climate change.
If an electric car is let’s say, 30,000, then we could buy nearly 4 million electric cars. Or, you could do a program and offer people the chance to pay 15,000 and the government would pay for the other 15,000 and you’d have almost 8 million electric cars on the roads. Or you could use that 119 billion to invest in public transit (and make sure it actually works out by holding politicians and mayors accountable if the train system fails, by sending them to jail if they fuck it up). Or we could add solar panels around the USA and convert more of our energy into a green renewable. Maybe we could buy tree seeds at a dollar each and plant 50 or 100 billion trees in the USA. We could do more things that’ll have better long term benefits than a bandage to help stop one city’s coastal houses from flooding.
lol you cannot relocate 8M ppl with 119b... it is 15K each...
@@chemicalfrankie1030 not saying everyone in nyc needs to be relocated, just people directly on the coast who’s houses would sink with the sea level rise depicted in the video.
Wow, grass, trees, and a salt marsh? Surely that will stop the pollution and climate change from a giant city!
You know who else has grass and trees? The average house in the countryside. My backyard. A forest. Basically everywhere. Salt marshes are more efficient than forests? Doesn't mean they make a big difference, how many places can salt marshes actually be? Forests can be everywhere. Like looking at a needle in a haystack and bragging that you've introduced a needle!
Make sure to report any vans parked around the sea walls.
I love the lady from Canarsie, we need more people like her caring about where they live.
She's an admirable person, but she should be looking to sell her house and move inland as soon as possible.
Ur probably going to need to install duch style moving flood barriers on ny harbor likely going from Staten Island to queens so that if a major tidal event comes they can close the gates and seal off the harbor
She's been to meet ins after meet ins. I love how she is on a set, wearing a helmet and vest. You can see the studio lights in her glasses. 4:18
I feel that if nyc reforested mangroves on its edges they could survive Sea levels.
Advance winds from hurricanes means that Long Island Sound will also be a problem pushing greater volumes toward LaGuardia and the East River.
If this is really true why do the rich politicians keep buying property by the shore? Do they have different information.
They better do something with New Orleans it’s already below sea level.
yea a few more storms and new orleans will be wiped off the map
heres a great solution. build a surrounding wall and build large pipes into it to direct water wherever would be best. the pipes would generate power if equipped and they would reduce tidal pressure on the wall making it last longer. in the event of water level increase from say a bad storm would generate enough power to even pump the water somewhere else.
that sea barrier in the thumbnail is actually the maeslantkering
an enormous storm surge barrier which protects the harbour entrance of rotterdam, which has the largest ball bearings in the whole world to allow the walls to rotate into a closed position
Consider making a follow up to this, the project is looking great!
Mother Nature will always win 🏆
Build a seawall, connecting two narrow sandbars, across four miles of open water? I don't think that's possible. It might be feasible to build two smaller storm barriers: One just north of the Verrazzano Narrows Bridge and the other across the Arthur Kill at Perth Amboy. Both barriers would have to be opened and closed relatively quickly, and both would require massive pumping systems to move accumulated water seaward. NYC also needs a plan to gradually cede really low-lying areas -- like Coney Island, Broad Channel, and the Rockaways -- back to the ocean.
If we can't prevent it, at least we can prepare for it.
More needs to be done about climate change.
What “more” would you like done?
@@XavierAway What all is being done now? Half the US politicians think it's a hoax.
@@XavierAway banning a lot more cars in the city since it's really not needed to use a car in such a dense city. and there need to be an extreme focus on safety by building a LOT more bikelanes cause even nyc streets are unsafe as hell.
@@XavierAway Maybe get rid of stupid a-holes?
Really? Let's hear your suggestions. Please be specific. Nothing vague, like; "We (meaning people other than yourself) need to do something"
Also include the practical effects that your "solutions" will have on each country that implements your plans.
This would necessarily include financial and economic impacts. (like, how many people will need to be killed in order for your plans to be effective)
Fact check, NOAA data says 3" by 2050 and 10" by 2100.
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Oh oh...someone doing some real fact checking. Most of the sea level rise projections are really outlandish. However it still makes sense to build protection for the occasional combination of hurricane surge with a high tide.
These plans are literally 100 years old. These plans are not even new and should have been acted on in the 1920s
2:40 "climate change is a new thing..."
Yeah, totally new. Its not like we´ve been warned since the 70´s
Recommendation if you live on the coast. - Move to Nebraska or get hip waiters.
Why? Wouldn't the water fill in the deserts below sea level first? Y'know, the places that have tons of aquatic fossils that seem to go until the ice caps formed due to a natural disaster seemingly caused global cooling?
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Nebraska is higher elevation than one might think and there is plenty of room. :) ND is a good place too.
@@EricDavidFloyd I meant that it's people who live in places that used to be underwater before the ice caps formed that need to be a little more worried
This may be expensive, but I think that building a wall from New Jersey to Long Island is the best option, building a swing door would allow it to be closed when there is a storm. But I'm not done, I'd also build a road over it allowing another connection to NY, which would allow trade to run smoother and also reduce traffic, tolls would fund part of the cost. Just think about it how many billions have been spent every time there has been a storm? Should we continue to risk lives and spend billions in the future?
i noticed that all of the east side protection begins north of the manhattan bridge, does that mean that the land is higher below the manhattan bride going south towards south ferry?
A wall is a WALL.
Not sure why they didn't follow the steps like how the Dutch are doing things because you need to allow some access of water to flow due to the Atlantic's currents.
Now I’m happy that New York will still be alive
I wonder why the rising sea levels are happening faster than it should be idk man 😬
It seems like it would be cheaper to just move the statue of liberty and all the costal citizens
I think they are doing a great job 👏
I'm sure it'll work as well as New Orleans plan...
I think that they should also start building a new rapid transit in the city. The New York subway is just not feasible anymore with the constant flooding and other issues that plays it today. Suspended systems like the Chicago L probably would work very well in New York. I mean aside from the billions of dollars and overall problems with construction/ geography issues....it’s a good plan I think?
They have those in Brooklyn, Queens, and the Bronx. They used to have them in Manhattan.
Except as a resident who has lived here since 2004 and commuted to Grand Central Terminal over a 30-year period our infrastructure doesn't permit that and even though our transit system is over 100 years old we're not about to rip up everything at the drop of a dime. The outer burrows have subways that are above ground. Manhattan it's not practical. Plus the new Grand Central Madison station has just opened connecting Penn Station to Grand Central terminal and I get around just fine on our outdated and antiquated subway system.
While the hysterical love to scream about climate change they forget that whether we have accelerated sea level rise or not, the key word is accelerated, not caused, as in created a situation that wouldn't have occurred at some point in the relatively near future anyway. Unless, of course, the sea were to retreat causing a whole new set of issues. We have developed our cities in one of the most stable periods of geologic and climate periods in Earth's history and now we pretend the world as we know it now has always been like this. It hasn't and we've known for quite some times that eventually we'd have to face rising seas and even farther into the future, receding seas. But we continue to act as if we only switch to electric cars and turn the A/C up a few degrees that we will stop a process that was going to continue whether man kind was here or not.
The issue is cities that thought they could keep putting off infrastructure and zoning regulations related to water intrusion for several more generations and leave someone else holding that bag are upset because we pushed up the timeline on the inevitable and now they have to deal with it. Well, tough toenails. Even those municipalities that are taking proactive steps are only taking half measures that will almost surely cause more issues than they solve. If you don't fully surround a perimeter you simply push water to other places you thought were safe. Of course, no one wants to do the smartest thing which is just to stop allowing new business and residential construction in areas of known current and future water infiltration and to begin moving areas in danger back or relocate them entirely when possible. Obviously that can't be done everywhere right now. But if you honestly believe that after spending billions you've only bought yourself fifty to a hundred years then you better do something other than build levees and flood gates. If I were the mayor of a coastal town I'd lobby for restrictions against building closer to the ocean or river than what engineers and science said was the likely 500 year flood plain. Unless the builder signed waivers to not seek insurance assistance from the locality and put up a bond that would cover the cost of it's cleanup after a storm. Before the storm, not after when they declare bankruptcy and skate. Currently that might drive business away because the problem is still decades away from being a multi billion dollar issue in most areas outside of New York, Florida and some parts of the Gulf coast states. But when states and counties make big concessions to attract business who build 100 feet from the ocean and the inevitable disaster or creeping rise occurs the cost will be astounding.
Wow I've typed deposition shorter than that for corporate law firms because last time I checked the only people screaming about climate change were the thought challenged.
Meanwhile the topic could have been about anal warts and I'd read a statement about Let's go Brandon or something about Biden, Hillary and liberals in all honesty I'd rather just go to brunch.
Part of the problem is our streets are concrete bath tubs no soil or tress to absorb the rain water.Thats why the streets and highways flood so easy
> add in a bit of trees, salt marsh and flood field
> this bad boy mitigates *climate* change
What is a New York City doing rather than playing defense? How about stopping the excessive consumption in New York City that pollutes the environment?
So grateful!!!
i was in new york when the second hurrican happened in august and sept . i was so scared and my mom was back at home so she was worried
and this is why, even though I love NYC, I won't move there anytime soon. People who live in the city live in denial. Like Florida
Actually I'd rather go with when the wind blows your head whistles as I'm living in many things denial isn't one of them.
@@SicilianStealth if you let circumstances dictate your life, that's a problem all of its own.
London did something to avoid floods with sea walls and the flood gates
This is why I live 10,000 feet above sea level.
Copy and paste
Neglected to mention these aren’t immediate floods and thus time to move inland more and plenty of time to build enough houses
Why not shift our resources towards installing oyster reefs around New York City and other coastal areas within the USA and other countries?
That woman is a hero for her community.
How ironic that New Amsterdam will have to do the same land reclamation projects as old Amsterdam
Let's just build a HUGE wall all around NYC.. and raise the city up little by little.. I think we can raise everything up.. it will just take time. But first we need the wall. Lol
evolve to adapt
adapt to survive
survive to thrive
Thanks for not mentioning Staten island once in the entire video!
Nobody cares about Staten Island.
It's not the Sea but your Sins that will destroy you New York
I live on the coast but thankfully I'm far enough inland that It would only affect me maybe rain wise and when I go to the beach
Considering ocean levels are dropping this seems ridiculously stupid.
nobody seems to realise that things don't just stop at 2050 and a thing that increases from now to then will continue to increase beyond these ridiculous estimates.
I live in the alps, so I’m chilling, but this is scary
I guess nobody saw the new Batman movie?
My recommendation is to build closer to the water
If you put up a wall in one place the water will just find another area to flood. You can't stop water!
The fish will take back what is rightfully theirs !
You mean the deserts below sea level that used to be deep underwater until the ice caps formed long ago due to global cooling following a natural disaster?
@@__jonbud______________________ yes the fish will retake it all!
Midtown Manhattan, the economic center, wouldn’t be affected right?
Mann, these damn roads in New York..
just make a giant sea wall around America that will protect it from massive sea level changes like in the Netherlands
Seems to be quite a lacklustre approach, I feel sorry for the people of NYC in the coming future
It does look lackluster you’re right. As Queens resident who lives by Jamaica Bay which is just as close to the the water as Lower Manhattan seems like that section of Queens and areas like Bayside, Flushing, Whitestone will get hit hard again when the next storm comes.
Why? Wouldn't the excess water make it's way through the water cycle to pool in all the deserts below sea level that were covered in aquatic life before the ice caps seem to have formed?
@@__jonbud______________________ No, that's not how that works... if you're referring to deserts with fish fossils then you should look up tectonic plates moving, most of the deserts with said fossils use to be much deeper. Also they're deserts due to the fact that no moisture is around them so the water cycle wouldn't bring water to them without other major changes such as changes to the global wind streams and such
@@scottmad8563 more water in the water cycle means it should be able to spill over in the form of rain just by sheer excess and in some cases, the same conditions that prevent rain from reaching some regions might also trap some of it there. Rain is rare in the desert, but not unprecedented. Any increase in the surface area of the ocean means more water in the water cycle due to evaporation. More water in the water cycle means more rain. More rain means more of it slipping past and getting into deserts, plains, and valleys where it'll pool at the lowest elevations it can reach.
Water can enter from any entering chance of Points
It is time to invest in the lakes area, Detroit, Chicago... They will be less affected by the climate change.
Just do what you guys can do best for newyork not to sink I pray to god to help us.
This is why i live inside the country and deal with rivers and lakes.
"Inside" the country. You mean interior? Plus I'm sure you get your fair share of bad weather as well not to mention tornadoes. In some areas.
NYC 35% and NY state 35%... NYC is in the state of NY so NY/NYC is paying 70% and Jersey 30%... looks like Jersey comes out ahead