4:16 This issue is something that can be fixed without hours of Hanzo gameplay, I use a drop sight without a center dot, and it’s tuned to hit enemies in the head if your on the head for 55 meters. Aiming down and up can mess with it a bit but mostly it’s good (thickness 3, rotation 0, crosshair length 6, center gap 95, dot size 0)
It is literally impossible to hit a person on a long distance who is aware of you shooting them, they will always have time to dodge its that slow, flanking doesn't work that well on some maps so you have to just spam arrows in small spaces hoping it will hit, and at this point its just better to play someone else instead.
Even meis projectile speed which I believe is only 115/120 feels soo much better idek how that 5/10 metres can much such a huge difference I feel like at the very least they should be identical
This was almost enough to tear me up 🥲. I remember finding you on TH-cam doing Hanzo videos. I'm still giving you 70% credit for what skill I have because I just started emulating you. Then I found Arrge and now I play about 60/40 Kenzo/Arrge style. I don't shy away from close up fights though I don't always kill the Sombra/Genji either.
Some people really salty when they call someone who hovers around masters to Top 500 as "washed". Even if it's true, what does that make them for losing to said person? It's silly.
I mean if streaming a video game is your job you’d think that you’d be good right? Tons of top 500 players have full time jobs, and less hours than these streamers while still competing with them, I think expecting someone like Arrge to be better is very reasonable but he makes some excuses for his predicament which makes it even harder to stick up for
@@bennettstokes195Elo placement doesn’t always dictate being good at the game though… like if you’re a one-trick god but your character just isn’t good at the moment you’ll be lower on ladder than your skill level. Kenzo himself has been pretty low on ladder in the past (like when Sombra was everywhere) but that doesn’t mean he’s a bad widow it’s just widow was hard to get value out of. When he played other heroes he started getting higher placements consistently
@ I don’t think it’s a great excuse, how often are players held back by their characters rather than the other way around? Most of the time there’s someone who could one trick your hero to top 500, and for a long time Arrge was that person. But when you watch him now he has a lot of excuses and blame for teammates and enemy’s behavior rather than introspection on what he can do better. His skill is better than most other players but his methods aren’t working and he doesn’t take much responsibility for it.
@@bennettstokes195 didnt he say a few videos ago that he literally broke his wrist? If he's dropped that's probably more the reason why. People calling him "washed" when he consistently climbs back up to top 100 are just cry babies who are desperate to insult "the streamer" because they think it makes them look cool.
@@gamingbean6440 not trying to shit on streamers but when they are underperforming I think it’s reasonable to criticize them for it, since it’s their job to put out quality content and the ow community has pretty much spoken we want high level gameplay
i personally love the smaller hitbox. It makes it actually feel rewarding to hit shots. All they need to do to Hanzo is bring back the pre-charge arrow with wall climb and he will be in a healthy spot.
I think that even with the increased charge rate, he won't be able to compete with other dps heroes. I believe a faster projectile speed would make him more skill, less luck
What do u think about using Aimlabs to get better accuracy too? But i do have different sense settings on Heroes. Mcree, soldier, sojourn, ashe are same Tracer, genji are higher Supports are bit higher too. Not sure tho.
I started watching Argge for Hanzo tricks. Yeah... I actually don't like the 1-shot if it means losing the hitbox. Argge loves having 1-shot on almost everyone again. His storm arrows still get the hitbox bonus even though his primary does not, so that's something.
Hitboxes are an element to have everything else designed around it, not the other way around. As if the hitboxes weren't already the most pernicious lasting joke in this game, you people want it to make it worse, LOL. Hard to tell which one is more wrong, the supports calling for the removal of one-shots or Hanzo players fondly reminiscing about shooting logs.
For me things started to get weird when OW2 released and the projectiles are slowed down, then the recoil bug and the fix they released was janky and then the nerfs, look what they did to my boy
I never understood the idea of Hanzo’s dragons needing to destroy deployables. They’re already easy to destroy, so what’s the point besides making the dragons useful for something?
with hanzo like this flicking aim style is the wrong way btw. try a tracking style. you might be suprised how effective it is. The flicks are off and i don't see a point in retraining your flick aim if they just gonna revert this change in the future
The arrow size is not so small. I am in favor of smaller arrows but an arrow speed buff is given in return, but they wont give that.. It's just the projectiles from all the other heroes like kiriko are so big with a faster fire rate, so hanzo is easily countered by any other projectile dps or support.
i mean hanzo is a niche character. There was a reason he was a defense character back in the day. Those are the characters that are highly dependent on map type and composition types. Your junkrats, bastions, mei's etc. I have absolutely no problem with Hanzo not being a top dps. Even with the smaller hitbox a good hanzo is just as oppresive as a good widomaker and feels awful to play against just as any sniper that can one shot you
But hanzo is not a sniper. He is designed for mid range combat and thisnis why he should not be able to one shot with one arrow ro the head No projectile based hero is a "sniper" or long range character
Hes designed for surprising the enemy with a quick pick The slime hanzo strat specifically Without the 1 shot hanzo at higher levels gets forced to go closer range Objectively hes one of the sniper heroes due to his range Kits preferred style of play for maximum value And how fast he shoots compared to every "mid range" hero@AlexCellerate
@@AlexCellerateBeing able to one shot as Hanzo is what makes him at the very least still viable. Hanzo has always been able to one shot since launch and should never have that taken away. He's be useless without it.
At :45 seconds you kept your arrows and got a kill with them and the bounce. I hate how other content creators cancel that ability?! Why NOT JUST SHOOT THEM OR SPAM THEM AND TRY FOR SOMETHING?! god it's such an annoying habit some people get for no logical reason
@ 😂 so he should be broken then. So play him… prove me wrong or prove me right. Also how many hours have these junk opt had to put into there character to actually be good with him. The answer is a fuck ton. Season 9 killed him just like it killed Hanzo. However look at Hanzo now. Has his 1 shot back. Storm arrows still have the season 9 hit box increase. His weapon draw got reverted and can now destroy buildable objects with his ult. Versus junkrat who just got his concussion mine nerfed. Also how many junk opts are in top 500? 5 maybe, versus how many widows are up there? Tracer, Ashe, fuck even Cass and soldier are up there. Bro check all of top 500 next time. The exception doesn’t make the rules. Also every junk player regardless of rank say the hero feels bad and feels like shit to play.
@@ctrainishDoesn't need to be broken to be top 1 it just needs to be consistent. His whole point is Hanzo is inconsistent in his current state. Don't get so butt hurt over nothing.
@@ctrainish are you trying to say hanzo is broken, or bad? and are you trying to say junk is broken, or bad? Also, its not like junk is the only character people one trick. Just because you put thousands of hours into playing one character doesn't mean you're better than everyone else who plays the game. Also, how many hanzo mains would be in top 500? 1, at most? That's not even saying otps, as i'd expect 0, especially when even arrge can't get out of masters. Just because you want to complain about junk being 'bad' doesn't mean that every shit character is good. Also, why do you think hanzo got buffed and junk got nerfed? Not for the shits and giggles, I'd think. It's cause junk is good and hanzo is bad, so they are trying to balance it. And it's not like the buffs hanzo got were anything massive, and not like the nerfs junkrat received really does too much.
Meet and Greet: November 22nd 2PM at Dreamhack Stockholm. More info at 05:01
Jag kommer!
Ramattra: Is that... is that a bow and arrow?
Hanzo: Yes.
Ramattra: Are firearms not to your taste?
Hanzo: They make killing too simple.
i like that you kann see how he struggles with the aim at the start, and how it gets better over the video
The draw time hurt him badly. Luckily they buffed to 0.80 but still a nerf compared to 2 patches back.
4:16 This issue is something that can be fixed without hours of Hanzo gameplay, I use a drop sight without a center dot, and it’s tuned to hit enemies in the head if your on the head for 55 meters. Aiming down and up can mess with it a bit but mostly it’s good (thickness 3, rotation 0, crosshair length 6, center gap 95, dot size 0)
I have no clue why they took his arrow charge keep when walclimbing. This feature alone made him feel 10times better. It just fells awful right now
Hanzo should have his old arrow speed at 125 m/s instead of his current 110
i agree, for me the arrow speed is the real problem of hanzo
It is literally impossible to hit a person on a long distance who is aware of you shooting them, they will always have time to dodge its that slow, flanking doesn't work that well on some maps so you have to just spam arrows in small spaces hoping it will hit, and at this point its just better to play someone else instead.
Even meis projectile speed which I believe is only 115/120 feels soo much better idek how that 5/10 metres can much such a huge difference
I feel like at the very least they should be identical
@@haku4841 Mei's projectile is also huge xd but I agree, makes no sense either that kiri kunais go straight but hanzo arrows don't
Agreed, in midrange u must shoot someone who doesnt know you are seeing them and not every map u could play stealthy, I miss Ow1 Hanzo
According to Overbuff, Hanzo has the worst win rate for dps this month for comp by average by a lot of ranks
This was almost enough to tear me up 🥲. I remember finding you on TH-cam doing Hanzo videos. I'm still giving you 70% credit for what skill I have because I just started emulating you. Then I found Arrge and now I play about 60/40 Kenzo/Arrge style. I don't shy away from close up fights though I don't always kill the Sombra/Genji either.
Don't get me wrong. Hanzo spam was annoying as shit sometimes... But he's just been... one of the heroes in all time for a while now
That 18:03 headshot goes crazy
Some people really salty when they call someone who hovers around masters to Top 500 as "washed". Even if it's true, what does that make them for losing to said person? It's silly.
I mean if streaming a video game is your job you’d think that you’d be good right? Tons of top 500 players have full time jobs, and less hours than these streamers while still competing with them, I think expecting someone like Arrge to be better is very reasonable but he makes some excuses for his predicament which makes it even harder to stick up for
@@bennettstokes195Elo placement doesn’t always dictate being good at the game though… like if you’re a one-trick god but your character just isn’t good at the moment you’ll be lower on ladder than your skill level.
Kenzo himself has been pretty low on ladder in the past (like when Sombra was everywhere) but that doesn’t mean he’s a bad widow it’s just widow was hard to get value out of. When he played other heroes he started getting higher placements consistently
@ I don’t think it’s a great excuse, how often are players held back by their characters rather than the other way around? Most of the time there’s someone who could one trick your hero to top 500, and for a long time Arrge was that person. But when you watch him now he has a lot of excuses and blame for teammates and enemy’s behavior rather than introspection on what he can do better. His skill is better than most other players but his methods aren’t working and he doesn’t take much responsibility for it.
@@bennettstokes195 didnt he say a few videos ago that he literally broke his wrist? If he's dropped that's probably more the reason why. People calling him "washed" when he consistently climbs back up to top 100 are just cry babies who are desperate to insult "the streamer" because they think it makes them look cool.
@@gamingbean6440 not trying to shit on streamers but when they are underperforming I think it’s reasonable to criticize them for it, since it’s their job to put out quality content and the ow community has pretty much spoken we want high level gameplay
I started watching you back when you played hanzo, lmao. It's been like 4 years it felt like.
It’s like the montage of him reaching high masters with reworked Hanzo only was only yesterday
Need more hanzo content now ❤
i personally love the smaller hitbox. It makes it actually feel rewarding to hit shots. All they need to do to Hanzo is bring back the pre-charge arrow with wall climb and he will be in a healthy spot.
I think that even with the increased charge rate, he won't be able to compete with other dps heroes. I believe a faster projectile speed would make him more skill, less luck
@@TheRealKenzoFunny how the solution is making the projectile character more hitscan
Honestly this was the thing that bugged me the most with new hanzo. Just makes him feel so clunky to play as well
Agreed 👍
@@firemin5398 It's of the slowest projectiles though, while being one of the smallest, so it's kinda awkward rn
All these bots in the comments lmao
How can you tell? Just curious 🤔.
11:20 i did NOT have to moan like that.
KENZOOOO!AND BREAKFAST GREAT WAY TO START OFF THE DAY
Not 12-6 hog trying to t-bag lolol
I hope he isn’t that bad.
arrge the hanzo goat
What do u think about using Aimlabs to get better accuracy too?
But i do have different sense settings on Heroes.
Mcree, soldier, sojourn, ashe are same
Tracer, genji are higher
Supports are bit higher too.
Not sure tho.
I started watching Argge for Hanzo tricks. Yeah... I actually don't like the 1-shot if it means losing the hitbox. Argge loves having 1-shot on almost everyone again.
His storm arrows still get the hitbox bonus even though his primary does not, so that's something.
Hitboxes are an element to have everything else designed around it, not the other way around. As if the hitboxes weren't already the most pernicious lasting joke in this game, you people want it to make it worse, LOL. Hard to tell which one is more wrong, the supports calling for the removal of one-shots or Hanzo players fondly reminiscing about shooting logs.
For me things started to get weird when OW2 released and the projectiles are slowed down, then the recoil bug and the fix they released was janky and then the nerfs, look what they did to my boy
The mario kart soundtrack in the background is fire
hanzo in classic ow is messing up my aim so bad
Maybe just increase the projectile speed for his arrows could help him more
That kill on the Ana at 18:40
Disgusting :P I'm mad if I'm that Ana, wtfff hahah
10:00 is why I like playing hanzo 😂
Hanzo has no uptime, sombra is the only DPS that gets as little value, but sombra mains deserve it.
Did they slow down the projectile speed?
yes
Yeah, that sucks my aim so bad
I never understood the idea of Hanzo’s dragons needing to destroy deployables. They’re already easy to destroy, so what’s the point besides making the dragons useful for something?
Why wouldn’t they tho ?
12:50 Why am I catching strays here....Blasphemy
I love your videos kenzo💖
Please play more Hanzo
Hit scan will always be better than projectile. It’s unfortunate
with hanzo like this flicking aim style is the wrong way btw. try a tracking style. you might be suprised how effective it is. The flicks are off and i don't see a point in retraining your flick aim if they just gonna revert this change in the future
Eh I tend to use both styles which helps depending on match ups and the range being played at.
The arrow size is not so small. I am in favor of smaller arrows but an arrow speed buff is given in return, but they wont give that.. It's just the projectiles from all the other heroes like kiriko are so big with a faster fire rate, so hanzo is easily countered by any other projectile dps or support.
Day 1 asking kenzo u2gm genji only
Play on a huge screen and everything is easier to hit
i mean hanzo is a niche character. There was a reason he was a defense character back in the day. Those are the characters that are highly dependent on map type and composition types. Your junkrats, bastions, mei's etc. I have absolutely no problem with Hanzo not being a top dps. Even with the smaller hitbox a good hanzo is just as oppresive as a good widomaker and feels awful to play against just as any sniper that can one shot you
But hanzo is not a sniper. He is designed for mid range combat and thisnis why he should not be able to one shot with one arrow ro the head
No projectile based hero is a "sniper" or long range character
Hes designed for surprising the enemy with a quick pick
The slime hanzo strat specifically
Without the 1 shot hanzo at higher levels gets forced to go closer range
Objectively hes one of the sniper heroes due to his range
Kits preferred style of play for maximum value
And how fast he shoots compared to every "mid range" hero@AlexCellerate
@@AlexCellerateBeing able to one shot as Hanzo is what makes him at the very least still viable. Hanzo has always been able to one shot since launch and should never have that taken away. He's be useless without it.
first love u man
keep making people happy and do what makes u happy man
:0 crazy early
the fact you cant aim att the head cose that will be body shoot is soo dam dume XD
At :45 seconds you kept your arrows and got a kill with them and the bounce. I hate how other content creators cancel that ability?! Why NOT JUST SHOOT THEM OR SPAM THEM AND TRY FOR SOMETHING?! god it's such an annoying habit some people get for no logical reason
I think you should hit tip 500 on hanzo so that arrge can stfu
Worst dps idk about that… make video trying to play junkrat. Then you can put the worst dps.
Hanzo is broken as fuck right now
Rank 1 on ladder is literally a junk 1 trick 😂
@ 😂 so he should be broken then. So play him… prove me wrong or prove me right.
Also how many hours have these junk opt had to put into there character to actually be good with him. The answer is a fuck ton.
Season 9 killed him just like it killed Hanzo. However look at Hanzo now. Has his 1 shot back. Storm arrows still have the season 9 hit box increase. His weapon draw got reverted and can now destroy buildable objects with his ult.
Versus junkrat who just got his concussion mine nerfed.
Also how many junk opts are in top 500? 5 maybe, versus how many widows are up there? Tracer, Ashe, fuck even Cass and soldier are up there.
Bro check all of top 500 next time. The exception doesn’t make the rules.
Also every junk player regardless of rank say the hero feels bad and feels like shit to play.
@@ctrainishDoesn't need to be broken to be top 1 it just needs to be consistent. His whole point is Hanzo is inconsistent in his current state. Don't get so butt hurt over nothing.
@@ctrainish are you trying to say hanzo is broken, or bad? and are you trying to say junk is broken, or bad? Also, its not like junk is the only character people one trick. Just because you put thousands of hours into playing one character doesn't mean you're better than everyone else who plays the game. Also, how many hanzo mains would be in top 500? 1, at most? That's not even saying otps, as i'd expect 0, especially when even arrge can't get out of masters. Just because you want to complain about junk being 'bad' doesn't mean that every shit character is good. Also, why do you think hanzo got buffed and junk got nerfed? Not for the shits and giggles, I'd think. It's cause junk is good and hanzo is bad, so they are trying to balance it. And it's not like the buffs hanzo got were anything massive, and not like the nerfs junkrat received really does too much.
Hanzo broken???? Lol you can counter Hanzo with anything xd
36 seconds ago and 2 views?!?!? bro fell offf