The worsed mistake that any Generals could do is to attack Hougoumont head on ! I would never suggest to attack head on but rathr concentrating the houwizers on Hougoumont and flanking Hougoumont by dividing every faction and taking them down one after another...
Spot on with the French Cav. I was commanding La Haye Saint's KGL garrison opposite the Old Guard alongside those Dutch Carbineers and British Heavies. That was the second time we had broken/stalled a French attack with heavy cavalry. On day one we beat back an isolated division as well, with cav support arriving too late to help. A heavier French cavalry presence there would have put a serious spanner in the works! Was an unbelievable weekend overall, ggwp and an excellent video!
Watching back over this again after almost 2 years, and it's ridiculous how often you can here me and Greg cheering the mulching of one of Josh's units
Hi M8 as one of the Allied commanders on the far left Hanover 4th Inf Brig, we thought that the French would load your right side as every one knows you stay away from Hugomunt but you did not do which we were happy with. We then decided to do a dealing action and slowly fall back onto the Brussels road to stop you the French from going that way to which we succeeded. Yes you were on the back table but you were going nowhere you had a small corridor to work in but your rear flanks were getting cut off by the Prussians as were your lines of retreat. I also had to take on the Div CinC role as no one turned up to that role. But it was a good game enjoyable and some good opponents.
Yeah it was great fun! An awesome weekend! I hope something like it happens again (Leipzig!) We didn't choose where we deployed, the umpires deployed our forces roughly in the positions of the historical brigades. Ah well, more aggression next time!
A very impressive project and many thanks to you for putting together such an informative video. A couple of observations. By basing foot figures with a frontage of 20mm instead of 15mm not only increases the unit frontage by 33% but also reduces manoeuvre room. Also the use of the a period map for the basecloth appears to play havoc with the quality of video recording. These large games are certainly a highlight for me and has me (and others here in New Zealand) thinking of doing another - possibly Dresden next year? I look forward to hearing your own reflections on the game.
On a strategic level for the game, I don't understand why so many French troops were committed to take Hougoumont instead of leaving a smaller force to keep the British guard from venturing out while sending more of the French force to by-passing it on the west.
No troops were. Not a single shot was fired, or bayonet thrust at Hugomont except for 3 howitzer shells. How else were the 6th Div supposed to get past Hugo?
I may have missed the explanation in this video but I've just watched your other After the Battle video and the answer is apparent. I wasn't clear in my original comment. I meant I didn't understand why Hougoumont and the woods (your entire sector) wasn't bypassed but I see the underlying problem was at the division and corps level. There was no strong effort made further on the French left by either infantry or cavalry. If they had, then your push through the woods and efforts to tie up forces in the Allied center could/should have been exploited and the Allied line possibly rolled up from the west. I think in the case of a draw on a Waterloo wargame, the only sensible thing to do is to fight another battle against the combined Allied-Prussian army with Grouchy's wing added to the French side.
Yeah absolutely. It was frustrating as we sucked up the entire British reserve, but commanders further down the line weren't willing to exploit that. Ah well!
@@NapoleonicWargaming Since I live in California, I don't have access to the 4 day Con you mentioned. They are usually held in the East Coast or Midwest.
@@NapoleonicWargaming Don't players remember IT'S JUST A GAME. No actual solders are killed in the game. What he could have done with artillery and some foot support. He could have created a nice hole in the Allied line.
Worste experience of gaming i ever had in over 25 years. Maybe you should have taken the time to ask why i could do nothing with the cavalry, rather that present your opinion.... Being advised by the umpire to dismount my cavalry and form a skirmish line said it all.
Sweet! A home town connection. I worked at Fort Niagara for a few years. The HQ posting for the kings regt in 1779. I thought the 8th was in Ontario/western ny diring Waterloo. But it's been ages and I dont clearly remember anything. All I remember was donning the red coat and reenacting as both.a hat company and the light company. Started my reenactment life off nicely.
@@nikolaistarkweather5313 They were mostly employed in the Americas as the 8th. Tbh, the Kings were more of a Victorian/WW1 thing, but I had to get them in! The colour sgt I have in the unit wears trews and is a reference to the 10th Battalion, Liverpool Scots, and my old platoon Sgt, Col Sgt Brookes, who, despite us only being TA (similar to the National Guard) taught me more about man management than two dozen other workplaces!
I dont even know who was acting as the c in cs! I that is brilliantly realistic though, in a battle as massive as this, what the supreme commanders were doing wasnt really relevant. My objective was to clear Hugoumont's gardens, what Boney or Wellington were up to didnt really concern me. By having this many players, on this big a table, you lost that gods eye view, which is fantastic!
@@NapoleonicWargaming I would have been interesting to hear what the CIC's reactions were to your endevours (apart from the lovely pin). But, yes, overall, a remarkable enterprise. Hopefully the first of many.
@@andymoore9977 probably not much positive! 😂😂😂 Honestly though, it's made me think about how much say Napoleon knew what was going on, or if his true genius was putting the right people in place
@@NapoleonicWargaming I suspect it was mostly about effective delegation. And a bit of luck. Once the field is shrouded in smoke and given the terribly inefficient means of communication the CiCs would be pretty helpless to influence much but I am sure that did not stop them trying. I started wargaming 50 years ago and have just returned after a 40 year gap but what has always struck me has been our 'god like' view of the battle and how this can compromise true simulation.
Nice! 1ere Legere the guys who stormed the north gate of Hougoumont and who had annoyed Napoleon by refusing to approve his new constitution. So, a bit in the dog house on the day of the battle but still fought like lions. There were several French regiments at Waterloo who like the 1ere Legere were not 100% pro-Napoleon a few refused to remove their bourbon cockades and fought for France wearing white cockades rather than blue, others simply refused to shout 'Vive L'Empereur' preferring 'Vive Le Roi' or 'Vive La France'. i.pinimg.com/originals/99/44/43/994443cf26e43b8744acbede459b6b2e.jpg
Hougoumont gate action paintings are always interesting to me. This popular one you linked shows the door smashed down; that break-in was a surprise incursion through already open doors, and the gates were closed after the break-in, meaning how could a smashed down door be closed ....... The classic painting we all know of that action has enormous doors that would both overlap each other if closed in the depicted gateway, tinyurl.com/y66wxh56
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The worsed mistake that any Generals could do is to attack Hougoumont head on ! I would never suggest to attack head on but rathr concentrating the houwizers on Hougoumont and flanking Hougoumont by dividing every faction and taking them down one after another...
I 100% agree! That's exactly what I did!
Spot on with the French Cav. I was commanding La Haye Saint's KGL garrison opposite the Old Guard alongside those Dutch Carbineers and British Heavies.
That was the second time we had broken/stalled a French attack with heavy cavalry. On day one we beat back an isolated division as well, with cav support arriving too late to help. A heavier French cavalry presence there would have put a serious spanner in the works!
Was an unbelievable weekend overall, ggwp and an excellent video!
Watching back over this again after almost 2 years, and it's ridiculous how often you can here me and Greg cheering the mulching of one of Josh's units
Yes, interesting and much appreciated coverage. Will await your final assessment.
Hi M8 as one of the Allied commanders on the far left Hanover 4th Inf Brig, we thought that the French would load your right side as every one knows you stay away from Hugomunt but you did not do which we were happy with. We then decided to do a dealing action and slowly fall back onto the Brussels road to stop you the French from going that way to which we succeeded. Yes you were on the back table but you were going nowhere you had a small corridor to work in but your rear flanks were getting cut off by the Prussians as were your lines of retreat. I also had to take on the Div CinC role as no one turned up to that role. But it was a good game enjoyable and some good opponents.
Yeah it was great fun! An awesome weekend! I hope something like it happens again (Leipzig!) We didn't choose where we deployed, the umpires deployed our forces roughly in the positions of the historical brigades. Ah well, more aggression next time!
A very impressive project and many thanks to you for putting together such an informative video.
A couple of observations. By basing foot figures with a frontage of 20mm instead of 15mm not only increases the unit frontage by 33% but also reduces manoeuvre room. Also the use of the a period map for the basecloth appears to play havoc with the quality of video recording.
These large games are certainly a highlight for me and has me (and others here in New Zealand) thinking of doing another - possibly Dresden next year?
I look forward to hearing your own reflections on the game.
Fabulous to see thanks. I used to do these massive games and they take a heck of a lot to organise but are awesome fun.
Did wargaming finally reach its ultimate goal on that table on that day? Fantastic video.
Maybe! It was definitely something! So, so glad it happened. For all my minor gripes Tony and his team did an excellent job
@@NapoleonicWargaming Yes I wish I'd seen it.
Omg omg omg thank you so much for this video!!!!!!!!
Beautiful looking game!
Great vid good to see the action thanks for posting
we need to re do this with other great battles NEXT LETS TO GETTYSBURG? or GAUGAMELA
Quite a spectacle- excellent!
On a strategic level for the game, I don't understand why so many French troops were committed to take Hougoumont instead of leaving a smaller force to keep the British guard from venturing out while sending more of the French force to by-passing it on the west.
No troops were. Not a single shot was fired, or bayonet thrust at Hugomont except for 3 howitzer shells. How else were the 6th Div supposed to get past Hugo?
I may have missed the explanation in this video but I've just watched your other After the Battle video and the answer is apparent. I wasn't clear in my original comment. I meant I didn't understand why Hougoumont and the woods (your entire sector) wasn't bypassed but I see the underlying problem was at the division and corps level.
There was no strong effort made further on the French left by either infantry or cavalry. If they had, then your push through the woods and efforts to tie up forces in the Allied center could/should have been exploited and the Allied line possibly rolled up from the west.
I think in the case of a draw on a Waterloo wargame, the only sensible thing to do is to fight another battle against the combined Allied-Prussian army with Grouchy's wing added to the French side.
Yeah absolutely. It was frustrating as we sucked up the entire British reserve, but commanders further down the line weren't willing to exploit that. Ah well!
I need to emigrate from the US to the UK just for the miniature wargaming alone. What was the excuse of the French Cav Commander for not advancing
I dunno man, I'm jealous of the 4day cons you guys have! He didnt want to risk his guys 🤷♂️ I mean...
@@NapoleonicWargaming Since I live in California, I don't have access to the 4 day Con you mentioned. They are usually held in the East Coast or Midwest.
@@NapoleonicWargaming Don't players remember IT'S JUST A GAME. No actual solders are killed in the game. What he could have done with artillery and some foot support. He could have created a nice hole in the Allied line.
Ah you are an old King-go, well done.
I really enjoyed your video, looks truly great.
Worste experience of gaming i ever had in over 25 years. Maybe you should have taken the time to ask why i could do nothing with the cavalry, rather that present your opinion.... Being advised by the umpire to dismount my cavalry and form a skirmish line said it all.
I would like to know if you have some Black Powder battle Reports. Great video, thank you.
awesome! wish i'd been there
Very awesome game
I remember this battle, good times
Very nice, where did you pick the award decoration?
The kings regt? Which is that by number? 8th Regt of Foot?
Yes. Although when I was in it it was 3/8th, an amalgamation of the 3 and 8th regts of foot
Sweet! A home town connection. I worked at Fort Niagara for a few years. The HQ posting for the kings regt in 1779. I thought the 8th was in Ontario/western ny diring Waterloo. But it's been ages and I dont clearly remember anything. All I remember was donning the red coat and reenacting as both.a hat company and the light company. Started my reenactment life off nicely.
@@nikolaistarkweather5313 They were mostly employed in the Americas as the 8th. Tbh, the Kings were more of a Victorian/WW1 thing, but I had to get them in! The colour sgt I have in the unit wears trews and is a reference to the 10th Battalion, Liverpool Scots, and my old platoon Sgt, Col Sgt Brookes, who, despite us only being TA (similar to the National Guard) taught me more about man management than two dozen other workplaces!
I've just noticed I mistyped earlier, it was 4/8 Kings,, I pressed the 3 instead!
Haubitzen!
Wow!
Just got to 10:00 in and not heard a word from Nap., Well., or Blucher?
I dont even know who was acting as the c in cs!
I that is brilliantly realistic though, in a battle as massive as this, what the supreme commanders were doing wasnt really relevant. My objective was to clear Hugoumont's gardens, what Boney or Wellington were up to didnt really concern me. By having this many players, on this big a table, you lost that gods eye view, which is fantastic!
@@NapoleonicWargaming I would have been interesting to hear what the CIC's reactions were to your endevours (apart from the lovely pin). But, yes, overall, a remarkable enterprise. Hopefully the first of many.
@@andymoore9977 probably not much positive! 😂😂😂 Honestly though, it's made me think about how much say Napoleon knew what was going on, or if his true genius was putting the right people in place
@@NapoleonicWargaming I suspect it was mostly about effective delegation. And a bit of luck. Once the field is shrouded in smoke and given the terribly inefficient means of communication the CiCs would be pretty helpless to influence much but I am sure that did not stop them trying.
I started wargaming 50 years ago and have just returned after a 40 year gap but what has always struck me has been our 'god like' view of the battle and how this can compromise true simulation.
RIP general andy
Mat by Tinywargames
What place is this I wanna see all the game and in the future
It was a huge event in Glasgow. Probably not to be repeated. If it ever it you need to get in on it!
What was the depth of the table for this game?
We had 4 rows of table each six foot deep, so the actual table 6 foot, the battlefield, 24
@@NapoleonicWargaming and you were able to reach into the middle of the table to move units ?
@@BearGrisham yeah, in my bat reps we use an 8x6. I'm just under 6', so yeah reaching 3' onto a table is fine.
Nice! 1ere Legere the guys who stormed the north gate of Hougoumont and who had annoyed Napoleon by refusing to approve his new constitution. So, a bit in the dog house on the day of the battle but still fought like lions. There were several French regiments at Waterloo who like the 1ere Legere were not 100% pro-Napoleon a few refused to remove their bourbon cockades and fought for France wearing white cockades rather than blue, others simply refused to shout 'Vive L'Empereur' preferring 'Vive Le Roi' or 'Vive La France'.
i.pinimg.com/originals/99/44/43/994443cf26e43b8744acbede459b6b2e.jpg
Hougoumont gate action paintings are always interesting to me. This popular one you linked shows the door smashed down; that break-in was a surprise incursion through already open doors, and the gates were closed after the break-in, meaning how could a smashed down door be closed ....... The classic painting we all know of that action has enormous doors that would both overlap each other if closed in the depicted gateway, tinyurl.com/y66wxh56
What rules did you use?
Wow
retreaty advancey classic terms
rules?
Black Powder. It was kinda 1.5, with some but not all 2nd ed elements
@@NapoleonicWargaming ..."megalomani"...ehehe
No biting and not to strike the face.
@@kiermac why do you usually play like that?...ehehe
Who won? The British or the French or they both lose and said that war is horrible both French and British hold hands into the sunset
It was a strong win for the allies. They nearly captured Napoleon at one point!