Technically that Doc Ock quote was before he had fused with the arms and driven insane. At the time he was giving Peter that advice, he was genuinely a friendly professor trying to help a talented young man.
even afterward, was Doc Ock ever really a villain? He was a criminal, sure. But his ultimate goal was free energy for the whole world. So, he was only a villain to the energy syndicates
@@4Curses Well he was also driven insane by the arms and was building a machine that wasn't going to work and would destroy everything because he had no rationality anymore, believing despite all evidence that it would work. So yes, he was a villain.
I love Michael Shannon (what an actor!), but sorry, Zod was a complete fool. Seven unpopulated planets you're free to terra-form to your heart's content, and you choose the populated one defended by Superman?
@@wolfgang6442 Not really. He wanted to genocide the human race out of pure Darwinism, then when the Avengers understandably took issue with that approach he incorrectly concluded that they didn't want the Earth to change. In other words, disagreeing with his method doesn't mean disagreeing with his motive (as he seemed to believe). The fact that the Avengers, and Earth for that matter, ultimately prevailed over their otherworldly threat (Thanos and his army of Chitauri) completely refutes his point. Either: - The people of Earth changed in some way in order to prevail, disproving the notion that they "didn't want to change". - The people of Earth prevailed despite not changing in some way, disproving the notion that humanity couldn't survive without Ultron inflicting his genocide upon them (or 'evolving'). So which is it?
The Joker one is funny, because he tries to prove that point. However, in the movie, his point depends on a cruise ship full of inmates and one full of families trying to blow each other up. In the end, neither do. One because, they couldn't make themselves do it, the other one, because inmates would not let it be done.
I came here to say the same. One of the major points of The Dark Knight is that Batman is right in his belief that the people as a whole deserve saving, because they are ultimately more good than bad, whether it's the blowhard on the boat of "good" people who talks a good game about how criminals deserve to die, but can't really do it, or the hardened lifer on the "bad" boat who throws the trigger in the water and sits back down. When the Joker believes he's going to watch fireworks at midnight and Batman is utterly confident (and right) that neither boat will blow the other up, that's the movie telling you that Joker was wrong in this interrogation scene.
@@craigrussell3062 Glad I poked around in the comment section before making my own post because I was going to say pretty much exactly what you did. To anyone who actually paid attention to TDK, Joker was not "COMPLETELY RIGHT", the entire point of that scene is that both Batman and the common people of Gotham proved him wrong at the best possible moment. I guess "QUOTES FROM VILLAINS THAT ARE COOL AND SOUND KIND OF PROFOUND MOST OF THE TIME" isn't quite the snappy title, huh?
It was unrealistic. There would have at the very least been a fight on one of the boats between those for and against it. It also would not necessarily have ended like the movie. People justify terrible things all the time. It just depends completely on who is there to make the decision.
He does prove his point. The Joker wins in the end. As he put it he had an ace in the hole. He wouldn't lose the battle for Gotham's soul in a fist fight with Batman. He took Gotham's white night and brought him down to their level. He may not have demonstrated his point on a larger scale, but with Harvey, the definition of a good, civilized, moral person, becomes a monster just like the Joker, and arguably just like Batman. He proved his point, and created a system that allowed what Bane and the League of Shadows did in the next movie possible. "When the chips are down, these civilized people, they'll eat each other." And the chaos and anarchy that ensues in the next movie is precisely what he was talking about and is exactly what happens.
What is completely stupid about that particular plot point is the fact that it occurs to nobody that they are likely holding their own detonators. If either the civilians or the inmates press the button, they themselves would blow up rather than the other ship.
@@mechanomics2649 I believe it would imply that no matter which cause you associate yourself with,at some point it may make a decision which you may somewhat or strongly disagree with,which is inevitable,since it's unlikely there is any cause out there so perfect that you'll subscribe to their every word and choice wholeheartedly.
@@Sikorsky1111 There is only one cause you will ALWAYS be aligned to. Your own cause. It is the only one that can't really betray you, but then again, you can't really betray her either.
I feel like the main problem with Man of Steel was that it was trying to be Batman. It was not a bad movie but it twisted Superman's character into what it wasn't, I absolutely LOATH the bits with Pa Kent his callousness and cruelty towards Clark and those other kids, that's not Superman's story.
@@HubiKoshiIf they wanted to do grimdark Superman, they should have done an adaptation of the Superman: Speeding Bullets comic, where he lands in Gotham and is adopted by the Waynes instead of the Kents, and the parents are still murdered, so you get Batman with all of Superman's powers.
In other words... Resting on your laurels. You have to keep building on your successes. If you aren't growing, you're dying. Victory will make you weak if you accept it.
Zod loved his planet and he would do anything for it, while it might not be right it's still understandable (edit: no Zod couldn't choose another planet Because 1)they were almost out of fuel 2) planet had to be already habited)
Every single one of them had the exact same issue. They all correctly identified a problem, and then made the collossal, logical leap that, somehow, lots of murder was the best solution.
I'd say the one exception was Bane in DKR. Given he intended to blow up the city with the people he "inspired" still in it I don't think he really believed his own words so much as he just said what people wanted to hear.
@@icanilis6789 yeah I always thought it was layered too, like he's saying something that has truth but weaponizing it for his own agenda. He's almost mocking the idea like what he's saying and what they're doing is purposeless. Bane is power by both anger, revenge, and nihilism.
Historically speaking though even up to the present that is a valid and surprisingly effective tactic as morally reprehensible as it is. I mean most foundings of empires throughout history start with exactly that premise with varying degrees of justifications for the killing part. Can you explain the difference between zod and the early American colonials?
"peace has cost you your strength, victory has defeated you" is probably the most realest one here. when people are comfortable of their success and stops there, everything tears apart when they meet a new one. victory is a challenge not a reward. there is no true victory until we die of no regret.
You missed this one: "The one thing they love more than a hero is to see a hero fail, fall, die trying. In spite of everything you've done for them, eventually, they will hate you." - Green Goblin
In what way is "Even if you do the right thing people will hate you, so don't bother" completely right? Sounds like utter nonsense to me. You should do the right thing _because_ it's the right thing, not because you want to be 'liked' for doing it. That's what makes a hero a hero. They do the right thing even if doing so comes at some cost to themselves, even if it incurs hardship or great difficulty. Doing the right thing only when it's convenient for yourself or will benefit you in some way is not heroic.
@@arstulex it's just a truth about life you don't necessarily have to be a hero you can even just be a normal person doing good things and often you'll find out people is quick to forget the good you've done and to hate you at the first mistake you make, so Goblin is right in that sentence.
@@arstulex As far as I can see the quote is "why bother?" not "don't bother." A question, not a conclusion. Presumably a hero would have a heroic answer to the question. The statement before the question is right IMO.
1:42 The "You have no idea" really gets me. It fills you with wonder, and a bit of dread as well. What's out there, that's made a cybertronian bounty hunter reminisce on it so profoundly?
@@hawk66100 and you would be 1,000,000 times correct and more. Humanity are nothing but walking talking CATTLE, a bunch of piss ants compared to what is out there.
Yes. I truly believe this line was included to propagandize to people to forget the old Star Wars and all the other IP's they intentionally destroy and instead embrace this new, soulless product.
And none of you are any different. You can’t even open your heart to anything anymore because all you fanboys know is hate. You won’t give anything a chance. You kill Star Wars, not Disney, by using the ideals that the Jedi are against. Fear, anger, hate. And now all you know is suffering
"You either die a Hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain" isn't really truth for everyone. Maybe some people but certainly not a universal truth. I guess in a career as a superhero it's certainly something you need to consider.
Later in the movie he was proven wrong by Batman and actually acknowledged it. He made the speech when Batman caught him and was surprised he did not kill him because of Rachel. He was then proving right with Dent becoming two face. He tried his hardest to make Batman a killer but he failed.
@@Aetherothbut with villainy being subjective, that would mean everything we do as a hero would be evil depending on who's looking at us. that doesn't make it a universal truth as it's not universally accepted that you started off as a hero.
@Roniixx I don't fully disagree, but as the theme for a super hero movie it works, and like I said, it could be truth for a superhero or possibly a politician, but otherwise, yeah, it doesn't make alot of sense.
I was a homicide detective in Chicago for decades. Heath Ledger’s Joker quote strikes me as incredibly accurate. For some reason it always resonated with me.
@Skyfoogle the point went so over your head. Walter was in the wrong. The message was to understand why he did it. Understanding something or someone doesn't mean you agree with it. We understand why Zod wanted to terraform earth. That doesn't mean we think he was in the right either.
It's worth noting that superman mentality is struggling between kill or not kill when fighting zod. On one hand, he is the only crptonian left, the last of his kind, but on the other hand, he is killing earthlings, the people supes wanted to protect.
@@christopherneufelt8971 That's a problem with basically all superheroes, they fight the symptoms not the cause because stories that address those are "too political" for some people. Superheroes exist to maintain the status quo first and foremost, so the villains despite having correct assessments have to be written to arrive at violent conclusions in a contrived way.
Michael Shannon's take on Zod in both Man of Steel and The flash (as awful as that movie as a whole was) was BRILLIANT!! Not a megalomanical zealot who craved power for himself, but a man who was born to be a leader and protector to his people on an absolute genetic level! At that point when it is a genetic imperative, he becomes VASTLY more dangerous an enemy than Zod from Superman II as his anger towards Superman is coming from the fact that he now has literally no purpose for existence.
yeah, Zod's speech always hurts to listen to in a good way. like, he's a mustache twirling villain, he KNOWS he's a mustache twirling villain, but he's truly, fully convinced down to the core of his soul that it's for a good cause, and losing the one thing that he was fighting for totally breaks him. it's a rare villain that can simultaneously make you feel gut wrenching sympathy for them, while also shouting at the screen for the hero to kick his ass!
Very well put gentlemen, yes, that’s why he’s such a great villain, and why that scene is so fantastic, it’s impressive they were able to give us such a good Zod in one movie, given he’s a recurring villain who comes back to make Cal El’s life a nightmare, as well as the other members of the Justice League. Zod is forced to face an existential crisis of enormous proportions for the first time ever, something he should never have needed to do, something he wasn’t created with the capacity to do, and as a result, is incapable of doing, and completely and irreversibly breaks under the enormous pain and gravity of the situation.
If Zod and his crew had escaped Krypton without the world engine, and without hope of reviving her, though broken-hearted, the healing process could have been started in fullness. Theoretically, he and his remnants could have been a massive force for good wherever they went.
Except, Zod wasn't trying to protect his species. He was trying to get petty revenge against Jor El. The whole reason he chose Earth was out of revenge. There was no species protection in that choice. It was just a tantrum of a child that got told to stop fighting because the adults were talking, and when he finally got let out of his room ran around smashing his toys. After smashing all his toys he blamed Superman for his own stupidity.
Case in point: American citizens not fighting for their rights and instead content to sit back and allow those rights to be slowly eroded by their government, as long as they got to keep the boons of their precious civilization...
@nukepuke932 There is always a point where people revolt. For the majority of Americans that hasn't been reached yet. For those who have reached that point the question becomes what they are fighting against. Everyone has their own view of the situation and what rights are actually just and others are just excuses the other side uses.
@iainmaclean4872 To you, yes. To the entirety of society is a different question. It also needs to be questioned if the built-in revolution (elections) is enough to solve the problems without causing a massive war. Aside from that, it depends on if this is a polarized issue where half the country feels one way and the other half feels the other. In that case, all this would do is cause a bloody war where both sides have massive losses with a series of dictatorships occurring until either one side emerges completely victorious or a govermemt with the ability to compromise is made again.
Oh god I HATE that "hit different" garbage. Hit like what? That could mean ANYTHING. People copy the same idiotic sayings people say in a stupid attempt to "fit in" because they're too scared to have their own personality.
Zod's fatal flaw was his _contempt._ He looked down on all the other Kryptonian factions, and thought only the Military was worth a damn. He looked down on Earth, with jealousy and disgust, at us in the midpoint of our civilization puttering around the mud, and *refused* to play ball with... Superman, who was, in theory, perfectly willing to give Zod the password to the Kryptonian genetic library, to rebuild Krypton. But just _not on Earth._ Of course Superman/Clark/Kal-el was everything Zod hated. Human-raised, escaped Krypton through Jor-el's hypocrisy, _and_ turned out a passivist with too much empathy. *Zod thought he didn't have to compromise, and he **_really_** didn't want to.*
Which, I suppose is the fatal flaw of growing your people in cocoons pre-programmed for a single specific task. The freedom to choose and adapt to different circumstances is vastly superior to a rigid and unyielding template.
It's not as if he could help it. When born with a purpose programmed in your mind and that is all you known your whole life it becomes your identity. The thing about an identity being attached to only one task is that people with this mind set will do what ever it takes to protect this identity. Even if all they knew was a lie. They will hurt and kill others to protect that identity. Conscience or not they understand that once they lose that Identity they're dead. Even before someone kills them physically. Zod is an example of a lot of people who's been given an identity before they even have a chance to claim their own minds. It's sad and scary when you think of the number of people walking this planet who were taught lies and believed them for so long that the truth is a threat to the identity...
"Superman, who was, in theory, perfectly willing to give Zod the password to the Kryptonian genetic library, to rebuild Krypton. But just not on Earth." I don't recall them ever having a conversation about terraforming another planet
Would let zod take earth once a single nuke is going to spark ww3. deez lgbtq and religion issues is starting to spread like garbage anyway. eradicating us instantly with also a nuke
I once heard from a former criminal that "you are only a hero to those you save, and only a villain to those who forsake you". There are different ways to interpret this but those words changed my life a little. It works whether you see it from a good person's point of view or a bad person's. Actions that are seemingly good could still be bad to others, and vice versa. If you label someone a villain then that is who they are to you regardless of what they are to others, and vice versa. One must look at both sides of a story and reason from a neutral standpoint to truly see the big picture.
No, the motive can also make a villain. If you acknowledge that any particular means is immoral then you can imagine people who use those means for its own sake, villains, men who want to watch the world burn.
It's perception. Heroes use force to defeat and potentially kill villains. Villains use force to defeat and potentially kill heroes. The two are indistinguisable.
Ozymandias was completely wrong in his analysis of the Cold War. The fear was of soviet aggression in the Baltic, Finland, Eastern, Central and Southern Europe, Caucuses, Africa, Middle-East, South-East Asia, China and the Americas. Their promotion of a totalitarian murderous ideology with foreign subversion (Think about how the communist party of the United States of America and those that were a part of it supported the soviets during stalin's reign! During 1956 in Hungary, Czechoslovakia in 1968, Poland in 1981-1983 and Afghanistan in 1979-1989 e.t.c. They should have been, and were to be fair, banned and, in my opinion, executed (With the appropriate legal mechanisms of the country in question, due process of law.).) too was a bit of a problem. With all the resources in the world the soviets would still manage to starve their people and ask the Americans for some wheat to prop them up.
@@johnnotrealname8168 A detail. It was Wall Street that supported the Communist and strategically placed them in Power as an agreement between WW1 Germany to remove the Eastern threat from their Strategy. The Situation of Starvation was because the Soviet Union was actually exporting all of its wheat to the West and the Western Colonies in return for Credits which we know that it end up in Banks outside of the Soviet Union. The same for other strategic resources such a Gold, Nickel, Petroleum, Diamonds. Most of the contracts ended up in 1990 and renewed with change of political governance by Yelzin in 1992, with of course the children of Party Members being now the Oligarchs and the recipients of the resources again the Wall Street. My claim is documented by Sutton as well as others.
Ozymandias was such a well written villain. So many super genius villains let their pride get in the way of an easy victory or leave super obvious things for the hero to exploit but Ozy sets up the pieces only to reveal he won the game before anyone even sat down to play. The only person who could take on someone who literally had God like powers and win.
The problem with really smart people is that they don't understand really stupid people, or crazy people. He didn't understand Rorschach, and couldn't predict his actions. Ozymandias' perfect plan will ultimately be ruined by Rorschach's journal.
@@chrisdonovan8795 I don't think I would use stupid or crazy to adjective Rorschach. Not even "unique" because we are all unique in a way. He was socially handicapped because of his past, becoming intolerant and aggressive towards certain behaviors.
Loved that quote. I can still recite it word for word even after not watching that movie in years. His speech to Neo after the oracle leaves in the 2nd movie was also profound
Funny thing is I did it in practical in my English essay and my teacher told me I was a mentally ill person and called my mother and I was embarrassed in front of the whole class 🗿🚬
I wouldn't say they were completely right but some of them were pretty spot on. And that to me is what makes a better villain because you can relate to what they are saying. It's pretty hard to simply make a villain be just evil and have them work in the movie. I suppose early horror movies work moderately well or even say Vader before his arc was expanded. I think that's why so many of the more recent superhero movies haven't worked all that well.
I don't think there is anything necessarily wrong with a simple pure evil as long as that is what the movie wants its villain to be and owns up to it. The issues arise in those movies who have villains that are purely evil but can't own up to it or make up their minds on what they want their villains to be so they try to make them seem better than they are and thus you get villains who are kinda all over the place and not that believable. Although as we get older I guess just simple evil becomes less interesting for us than when we were kids. But a simple evil can still be a menacing and a good villain. Sauron from LOTR is one example imo. Your early Vader example works as well.
Correct! Again I realized this on my research and for an example of this is in the movie incredibles 2. The screen slaver hated supers due to their family issue relying on supers. However, close to the end the screen saver didn't have an answer for the super-baby. The baby being a new slate and innocent.
@KanohiVahi Sauron is sort of not a villain nor is he thee villain of the movie. In a way the ring is the villain. A lot of people have trouble with this and I give them an easy comparison. The time machine vs time machine of the 2000's. The first one has a super abstract villain and the other while abstract villain is present has a physical villain. Most people can't deal with abstract villains anymore. There always has to be someone there to beat up and kill.
@@EmeraldEdge72 This thread is such an interesting discussion! I think execution based on the type of story you're telling plays an important role too! Writing conventions are mostly a guide, not rules set in stone. Some might argue a pure evil villain is one-dimensional and uninteresting, but LOTR made it work. Same applies to other writing conventions too. "Show don't tell" is a popular rule, to make sure exposition is slipped in without being noticed. But in story-based games like Horizon Zero Dawn a hologram straight up tells you the exposition directly, but most people are invested because the mystery and intrigue is built up really well prior, feeding you just enough to get a glimpse of the story but withholding enough to keep you wanting more. It goes against normal writing rules but it does it very well. Writing is such a fascinating thing, there's not really any bad ideas, just bad execution. So as long as writers take time and care with their work it should be okay, the rules are very flexible and can let people be really creative on how they go about their story!
@@KanohiVahiAggred with the Sauron and Vader being great examples of simple evil done right. Throwing Little Jack Horner from Puss in Boots 2 as another example
The Erik Lehnsherr from the 'First Class' films is done very well, you can understand where his angst comes from. Zod from Man of Steel also particularly stands out: he was genetically DESIGNED to do no less than what he was doing...Superman had no choice but to destroy him, an act he obviously hated to have to resort to.
The problem with X-man is that the issue is unsolvable. Humanity have all the rights to fear the mutants, and Magnetto clearly show they should. Until one party GTFO to like another planet situation won't be solved. Because mutant are fundamentally different from humans. Mutants draw strength from individuals, and humans always survived as a collective, where a single person can't do much alone. Yet a single mutant with "correct" powers can enslave or wipe out humanity. The whole francize is depend on "Professor Xavier is not evil".
@@madzaisa ''all the rights''' bro.. thats one thing that literally makes no sense at all in the marvel universe, if the mutants are such a thing to fear then why tf other non-mutant super people are not treated the same? mutants are not the only super people in the world... i mean jessica jones is pretty out there even showing her face without costume or anything and i don't see shit like this happening to her
"The trouble with loyalty to a cause, is that the cause will always betray you." - Lockdown Such a true statement as even his own cause got him killed as he wanted to collect all the Knights but because of that he got killed by Optimus
It's Bane's speech that hits home for most. Who doesn't want to see the rich and powerful come down to size and ENDURE the pain and suffering they created? I am talking the one to five percent.
Banes speech reminded me of communists honestly. and the aftermath of what he did is exactly how it played out in the real world. lots of death and even worse living conditions. fear and violence all that remains.
@@danielhagara1442 The rich are all lucky. They are already lucky to be born in countries that even allow to financially rise somewhat. People in poorer countries don't have that. And most rich people do not come from lower classes. You hyper focus on exceptions to ignore the rule.
Communists always like to think that they love and support the poor, but they really just hate and envy the rich. No system that punishes success can ever succeed because it inevitably becomes a race to the bottom of purity signaling, purity of class, of wealth, of work, of ideology.
Watched Spider-Man 2 as a kid years ago. I’m mid 20s now and trying my hand at a musical career. The “using your intelligence for mankind” quote hits way different now. It really means something to me now. The downfall of Otto was done so well. They had to have him become a villain very quickly. So they give us a scene like that that makes him look like a really, really good guy and then the arms AI take over his brain not long after. Becomes something of a tragedy when it happens to Otto, a character they wrote to be so wise
@@bigdopamine9343 neither do you with comments like this. But now you also do the opposite. I put music out that’s something wholesome I’m sharing with the world. You’re just sharing your judgement with a comment like this. Why? Cuz whereas you need to throw your judgment out there, I’m looking to spread something wholesome to the world. That’s the difference between me and you
@@warhead5225 well no it’s just stupid that you’d take a quote from a character that’s a quantum physicist about using your intelligence and think it somehow has relevance to being in a band. I’m glad you like what you’re doing, but don’t delude yourself into thinking you’re somehow improving the world.
@@bigdopamine9343 bro it’s comment on TH-cam. Why you reading into it so far making it something egotistical? I work a job and play music. There’s no bs I bring to the world. And I value that. You, here, with a TH-cam COMMENT shooting someone down you don’t know just cuz you can, that’s the bs you bring to the world. Realize that. And realize there’s no reason to do this. You could’ve just not gotten into whatever this is now. That quote has a different meaning to me now and that’s it. Way to go scorched Earth just because you wanted to. Better people only do it when they have to 🤷♂️
@@warhead5225 the quote has a different meaning to you because you misunderstood it. If you don’t want people calling out your stupid bullshit affirmations then don’t put them on TH-cam comments section. And my point is that just thinking your putting out positive vibes or whatever isn’t actually improving the world in any way. Maybe one day you’ll understand what I’m saying and become a better person.
What makes a good villain isn't that he doesn't understand the way the world works and so he's bad. Its that he understands how the world works very well, but does not have the moral strength to bear it, and so they make the wrong decision with all the right information.
A lot of these guys aren't "right" unless you're cynical. A lot of them have some good points, but ultimately, they were all wrong in the end, whether in their ideology or their actions.
They aren't right even if you are cynical; they're just delusional or liars. The only ones who are "right" are Dr Octavius (who was not a villain at that point), Lockdown (in a universe where they are alien species, we cannot be the center) and, ironically, Joker (people do reveal their true selves when staring down the barrel of a gun).
You missed one. Where Palpatine explained to Anakin how he should embrace a broader spectrum of the force. I thought to myself that was the most honest line in the whole movie.
except the devil's in the details "Broad" isn't the same as "Open" it's quite the opposite "Broad" is just "Narrow" in disguise. Plus it was still obviously to manipulate him.
Palpatine only wanted personal power. He had no cause. The Sith before him (from Bane onwards) at least wanted the Sith to thrive, even if in secret and the Sith before Bane wanted to dominate the galaxy and prove they're the strongest. They BELIEVED in something. Palpatine did not. And all the bullshit he spews in front of Anakin is only meant to manipulate him.
What was noticeably missing from this compilation was probably my favorite, truest quote by a movie villain. Mr. Smith's speech to Morpheus in The Matrix, about humanity having the same qualities as a virus.
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I think he does even better when he says that the late 90's were the peak of civilization. 20 years later, i am now convinced he was right.
One quote was...two face's you either die a heor or live long enough to see yourself become the villain is true and I see it play itself out over and over even to this day
I like that they make Batman’s villains actually have ‘good’ reasons for being the way they are at least in a way. I mean don’t get me wrong they have done horrible things but what I’m trying to say is I’m glad that in a twisted way they’re right
The best villains to me are victims of circumstances. It makes me feel like they are just as human as the heroes. And who knows, if the heroes went through what the villains did, maybe they wouldn't be so heroic afterall.
@@Trewq79 Well stated. Bruce Wayne had his parents taken from him and that was an injustice. But Bane saved Talia from the other prisoners and he was punished for that. Then Bane was punished by R'as Al-Gul for merely being a constant reminder of his failure to protect his wife. When virtue is punished it is no wonder that a person reaches a breaking point.
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain." Understand both this quote and how fragile the human mind can be, and you're in for one hell of a scare.
Among all of these quotes, Lockdown's hits me hardest. "You have no idea...." I mean just imagine some powerful beings in universe for whom we could be like some insects
I feel bad for Zod. He bred, trained and brainwashed from birth to be a cruel warrior for the greater good no matter how bad it seemed in the moment. He was still trying to save his people.
I still love G'Mork's line from the Neverending Story "...because people who have no hopes are easy to control..." and the fact that he told no lies to Atreyu.
Bane is an absolutely amazing character because he doesn't sound like a villain he is just a man that has grown up in tough conditions and survived by being better than his competitors. Tbh if he didn't maniacally try to blow up Gotham he wouldn't even be seen as a villain. He'd be portrayed as one but in theory he prioritized the masses over individuals and that's not inherently bad.
"my soul... that is what you have taken from me." I never thought I'd relate with Zod as much as I do now.. you can break a man's body. You can break a man's mind. You can break a man's heart. But when you break the soul on top of all of that... Revenge. Is. Coming.
That’s the point of a well-written hero vs. villain story. It’s ultimately a philosophical debate-the hero can’t just punch the bad guy to stop him, he also has to prove his ideology wrong. For example, in The Killing Joke comic the Joker’s point is that anyone is just one bad day away from turning evil/insane. He’s doing that to try and justify his own fall to the dark. But Commissioner Gordon and Batman prove him wrong by staying moral despite all the garbage he does to them.
It really is just the same video. Bane says take back your city by knocking out the rich. They go on to live for months in squalor and crime and violence. Also he flatout lied and was going to kill everyone anyway. Ozy says kill millions to save billions, as if warfare hasn’t been a thing not just since mankind rose but since the beginning of life. For the smartest man alive he was actually really stupid. Zod basically got a taste of his own medicine as his work to terraform planets wiped out all the living denizens of it.
@@siler7 : Hardly, a lot of what others are considering "right" is a lot of thinking errors and misanthropy in action, and even then I doubt it's completely dislike for humanity, it's just a bunch of edgy folks clinging on to controversial quotes just to get a rise out of folks.
How is Superman choosing to save humans instead of commiting genocide wrong? And how does Bane completely trashing the city and freeing all the prisoners to cause mayhem makes him right? Lol this is some I'm 14 and this is deep level of stuff
The villains had some good points But their actions and beliefs were still bad Like Lex That literally knows nothing about God Joker had some good points That many people will drop their Morale values when nobody looks or when society falls But no everyone will turn as crazy as he is
@@dude9318 Lex was right about God. Hell, reading the Bible I would agree with Lex, since God approved of and legislated slavery for the Israelites (laws on how to own and treat slaves in leviticus, accepted a human sacrifice, and committing genocides. Lex was right, an omnibenevolent God would never let the fall of humanity happen in the first place.
@@OmegaF77 as a Christian, we can’t blindly believe that was said by god was all said by him, it doesn’t make sense that a lot of the “laws from God” were way more inhumane than most other cultures of the time. And this might sound crazy, but he let sin in the world because he loves us, let me explain. First off, if he was a cruel God like how many believe, he would’ve killed Lucifer the instant he challenged him, and he let sin happen because he created us with free will and he loves us so much that he respects our free will. If God was cruel, humanity would’ve been eradicated long ago. And before you say something about the flood, God doesn’t cause stuff like that, he only lets those things happen, he gave people the option to save themselves, but ultimately arrogance got the better of them. God bless you all.
Zod sounds like every dictator ever. They rationalize and justify their actions and unconscious motivations by claiming it's "for the greater good." However, since one cannot always predict long term outcomes, such a notion is inherently flawed.
He cared about his planet, he was right and an understandable alien while humans care only about our planet so there is no “dictator” Hitler was a dictator and worse than Zod and got off easy while zod was killed by his own kind
That’s what all of these villains did. Rationalize their evil. Ozymandias would vaporize millions to save billions. But he still murdered millions. The millions that he killed are just as dead no matter what the justification.
Thing is, Zod is totally different than the others - he is a man trying to save the superior species - his species - from extinction. It is like if you said "Lets wipe out some monkey to survive as a humanity.
@@mikekolokowsky so you’re telling me the whole world wants to eliminate you and your entire family and you’ll be like these punk gen z kids and talk to everyone who attempts to kill you rather than be an actual human and fight to survive because if so obviously you aren’t a family man
"An empire toppled by it's enemies can rise again, but one wich crumbles from within? That's dead, forever"! I think this one passed unnoticed by most people, but it shouldn't, because given the current times we are living, this one is the most important by far!
The first half of the quote is also very applicable, to nazis, communists, jihadists. If people believe their ideology is one of martyrs then that will.only encourage their fervor, rather than an ideology dying because it is simply wrong and illogical.
@@JohnnyRocker023 It's not just applicable to organized religions. Their behaviour is no different than the political woke cult we see thriving now. Believe or die.........it's the same mantra.
No they aren't. Because even when what they say makes some kind of sense, they go and do something that completely invalidates it. Take Thanos, for instance. He insisted the only way to solve overpopulation was to kill half the world to save the other half. Then he got the Infinity Gauntlet, and with it the power to do ANYTHING he pleased -- including try all the other possible solutions to overpopulation. But he didn't. He went right ahead and killed half the world. To save the other half? No. OUT OF SPITE. Thanos did his Snap in order TO PROVE HE WAS RIGHT AND EVERYONE ELSE WAS WRONG. And when he (or another him) discovered to what lengths people would go to undo what he'd done ... he decided to go a step further. Kill EVERYONE ... and then bring them all them BRAINWASHED INTO BELIEVING HE WAS RIGHT. Now. Do you agree with everything he did? Because if you do, you've got issues as big as his to deal with.
He was evil he was at the very end of options and was willing to make egregious choices and got mad at Clark for taking his soul when he was actively trying to do the same thing to Clark by trying to take his soul.
@@gibster9624 I didn’t say he wasn’t evil at just not pure evil. He at least had a legitimate cause. Still extremely screwed up to try to wipe out humanity to bring his people out. But he would’ve been pure evil if he was just trying to wipe humanity for just satisfaction or just for shits and giggles.
"You want to protect the world, but you don't want it to change. How is humanity saved if it's not allowed to... evolve? With these? These puppets. There's only one path to peace. The Avengers' extinction." - Ultron to the Avengers
At 2:00 I finally noticed how DocOck says hiding love can make you sick, finally making me understand why Spidey kept losing his powers randomly in that film....
actually, i feel like he lost his powers due to psychological mental breakdown. it wasn't just him keeping his feelings for MJ inside it was a multiple of things. the stress of living a double life. the responsibilities of Spiderman. the resentment he had. he chooses this life. he chooses to use his powers for good. he resented making that choice because it caused him to give up what he desired the most living a normal life and being with MJ. but he also felt obligated because he feels responsible for his uncle's death that guilt and regret. also losing his best friend Harry. between Spiderman 1 and 2 you can see Peter and Harry aren't as close as they were. so, all of these things are a huge emotional toll. some even traumatic. His Brain made the decision to go into survival mode and before he had a complete mental catatonic breakdown. you see in the film him rapidly sorting everything out mentally. coming to terms with his dual life. not resenting being spiderman slowly accepting Uncle Ben's death wasn't his fault.
There's a difference between having an insightful viewpoint and what you do with that wisdom. No one has the right to single handedly decide the fate of an of a city, country or entire species. Evil people may be right, but they choose to do wicked things with that knowledge rather than use their insights to help humanity. That's the real lesson to be learned from these quotes.
Zod being all "I was created to protect my people...and you destroyed our only hope!" Meanwhile Kal-El is smirking at him like "I dont really care. Id rather be playing Warhammer 40K, or reading the Witcher"
I'm sorry but Kylo's quote is the only one of these quotes that doens't have a shred of logic or sense to it, compared to the other villains' speeches.
If you hold the past dear, and that past holds you down for whatever reason, you have to let it go or die to grow as a person. I think that's what he was getting at, although in the context of becoming a more powerful Jedi.
@@OmegaF77 No, that's just your wide-eyed interpretation. He just wanted to burn down the past to "be stronger" and have no more ties, which is absolutely inane and not even he could stick to it, given he went back to his Vader fanboy phase by TRoS. What more powerful Jedi ???? This emo primadonna couldn't even be a Sith. Sequel fans are hilarious lmfao
Man of Steel gave us a cinematic version of Zod who isn't "JUST EVIL" because he's evil (like they've done with Joker for decades); but an actual man with emotional connection to his people and a sheer unwavering loyalty to his purpose in life. Protecting Krypton and ensuring the survival of his people IS his life. He's not diabolical "just because" Superman needs an enemy. It's why Micheal Shannon (Zod) and Heath Ledger (Joker) are the best ever Live-Action versions to ever play this role. No one else even comes close to the depth of their characters.
@@Torgo1969 If you mean Man of Steel, then I would only recommend it if you are okay with Superman. This version of Zod isn't anything like how he's portrayed in Superman 2. They give Zod a clear defined motive and an emotional sense of his duty. Michael Shannon plays him extremely well. On the other hand if you are referring to The Dark Knight, then yes I recommend that as well. Especially if you have a home theater. The sound is just Epic.
@@patrickcromwell7554 I am a big fan of the Nolan Batman Trilogy, especially TDKR because of Bane. As for Superman 2, I don't remember any character depth being shown for Zod and his 2 accomplices, so it looks like this new Zod is a huge improvement.
@@Torgo1969 Yeah superman 2 was just "Zod tried to take over and failed, so....Zod angry" lol. I mean he was obsessed with making Jor El pay which extended to Kal El. But in recent years they've shown many versions where Zod and Jor El were actually best friends; and in one case that I know of even actually brothers (that was from the short lived show Krypton). Man of steel is my personal favorite Superman movie even though it's based on the New 52 Superman who isn't quite as powerful as the Christopher Reeves/Golden Age Superman.
"Completely Right" overstates all of these. There is a good reason why these were the villains of those movies. They had good POINTS, but they weren't "completely" right. For each, there was at least something wrong with the way they followed through with their thinking, even if it could be argued that their opinion was basically correct. (Dr. Octavius being the exception, since he wasn't a villain yet. He was failed by his hubris, but that wasn't related to anything shown here.)
Everything that came out of the mouths of Ra’as Al Ghul, Bane and Zoe was absolute gold. I love the philosophy behind these kinds of villains and how sometimes, they are better than the heroes.
When I was young I always thought Zodd was pure evil. Now that I'm old, I realize he was the last hero trying to SAVE his people nothing more. Its sad because he was forced into this position to do awful things for the SURVIVAL of his species.
Not exactly. Superman still has the DNA samples and tech to clone the Kryptonians. Meaning they are likely to survive even without Zod killing off humans.
Except, most of them actually are wrong, most of them only came to those “realizations” because of very extreme circumstances. And the few that actually are correct said those things when they were still good. The thing about villains is, no matter how “right” they seem, they’re almost always wrong in the end.
Exactly. Most of their quotes have a basis of truth, but then take the idea to an extreme that isn't quite right. There's a flaw in their ideology based on that truth, or at least in their methods to achieve their goals.
It's that logic, what they're saying can be right, but their actions make it wrong. The joker isn't wrong when he says you'll never know someone unless things go bad he is right, some people are only good because it's convenient, what makes him wrong it to prove his point he tries to force people into a bad situation. Same with Bane, what he's saying is right, the rich almost always fuck over the poor to benefit themselves and make the world a worse place, he's wrong for wanting to blow up the city. The actions you take usually determine if you're in the right or in the wrong.
You're missing the point. They do have things that they say that are right but just miss the bigger picture. Take the Joker for example, he was right that when the chips are down they'll abandon their morals but was completely wrong about what it would take to prove that and forcing a scenario to prove that was wrong morally
yeah, his mentality was never accurate. yes, when the chips are down many people will drop there morales and go into survival mode. but there are people who won't give into fear and won't drop their morals. not batman level but they will keep some values. Nolan Batman trilogy Gotham is based off of Chicago. so, population is around 3 million. not everyone will act like what joker said. @@gibster9624
Ducard's lines from Batman Begins are the greatest to me, so very applicable to the 20th/21st centuries (the bits about criminals/society). He has another good one, when sparring with Bruce on the ice: "Training is nothing! The will is everything -- the will to ACT."
Yes. Another good line from him is "I know the rage that drives you. That impossible anger strangling the grief, until the memory of your loved ones is just poison in your veins. And one day, you catch yourself wishing the person you loved had never existed, so you'd be spared your pain." He understands the intense and conflicting desires during a time of mourning both to remember and to forget the loved one that has been lost.
he did not fail , it was the government of krypton who was suicidal , Zod was completly right on that he overthrew the government but his coup did not last , after that it was too late .
Im sparking a religious "discussion" I dont really want to put the effort into making, sorry in advance. Faith, or religion, offers an "living" instead of a "survival" in the world of sin we have corrupted. It gives a driving force for what happens after this mortal life we have. So now matter how bad, cruel, or evil the world gets the afterlife will be of peace. Just live a "good" life according to "the teachings" and paradise awaits you. Even aethiesim's belief in nothing afterwords is somewhat peaceful. the words in quotations are "insert specific religious terms here".
Technically that Doc Ock quote was before he had fused with the arms and driven insane. At the time he was giving Peter that advice, he was genuinely a friendly professor trying to help a talented young man.
even afterward, was Doc Ock ever really a villain? He was a criminal, sure. But his ultimate goal was free energy for the whole world. So, he was only a villain to the energy syndicates
That interaction between Peter and Dr. Octavius is the kind of speech every mentor needs to give there mentees.
@@4Curses Well he was also driven insane by the arms and was building a machine that wasn't going to work and would destroy everything because he had no rationality anymore, believing despite all evidence that it would work.
So yes, he was a villain.
Still a great inclusion though.
After no way home seems like Sony and marvel established tht he was never a villain but a mere puppet by the mechanical arms
I actually love the Zod speach. The actor absolutely kills that scene, and Supes even after everything clearly pities him.
yeah Michael Shannon nailed it hard
Kryptonians were not fit for survival as they were not reasonable not to destroy/exploit Krypton, therefore not worthy to protect.
Yeah, it's too bad he couldn't use his machine on another planet. Instead of an already inhabited one.
Facts Zod was a beast
I love Michael Shannon (what an actor!), but sorry, Zod was a complete fool. Seven unpopulated planets you're free to terra-form to your heart's content, and you choose the populated one defended by Superman?
"Peace has cost you your strength. Victory has defeated you." Man, that hits hard.
"- success can test one's mettle as surely as the strongest adversary."
The narrator from Conan the Barbarian.
Western civilization innit
Bane FTW
dang...
Life shouldn't be a constant struggle.
“You wanna protect the world but you don’t want it to change. How can humanity survive if it’s not allowed to evolve” - Ultron
Yep he made a good point
@@wolfgang6442
He made an understandable point
Not a good one
Not in the way he meant it at least
The Avengers are the defenders and of the status quo.
@@wolfgang6442 Not really.
He wanted to genocide the human race out of pure Darwinism, then when the Avengers understandably took issue with that approach he incorrectly concluded that they didn't want the Earth to change.
In other words, disagreeing with his method doesn't mean disagreeing with his motive (as he seemed to believe).
The fact that the Avengers, and Earth for that matter, ultimately prevailed over their otherworldly threat (Thanos and his army of Chitauri) completely refutes his point.
Either:
- The people of Earth changed in some way in order to prevail, disproving the notion that they "didn't want to change".
- The people of Earth prevailed despite not changing in some way, disproving the notion that humanity couldn't survive without Ultron inflicting his genocide upon them (or 'evolving').
So which is it?
not all changes are good.
The Joker one is funny, because he tries to prove that point. However, in the movie, his point depends on a cruise ship full of inmates and one full of families trying to blow each other up. In the end, neither do. One because, they couldn't make themselves do it, the other one, because inmates would not let it be done.
I came here to say the same. One of the major points of The Dark Knight is that Batman is right in his belief that the people as a whole deserve saving, because they are ultimately more good than bad, whether it's the blowhard on the boat of "good" people who talks a good game about how criminals deserve to die, but can't really do it, or the hardened lifer on the "bad" boat who throws the trigger in the water and sits back down. When the Joker believes he's going to watch fireworks at midnight and Batman is utterly confident (and right) that neither boat will blow the other up, that's the movie telling you that Joker was wrong in this interrogation scene.
@@craigrussell3062 Glad I poked around in the comment section before making my own post because I was going to say pretty much exactly what you did. To anyone who actually paid attention to TDK, Joker was not "COMPLETELY RIGHT", the entire point of that scene is that both Batman and the common people of Gotham proved him wrong at the best possible moment.
I guess "QUOTES FROM VILLAINS THAT ARE COOL AND SOUND KIND OF PROFOUND MOST OF THE TIME" isn't quite the snappy title, huh?
It was unrealistic. There would have at the very least been a fight on one of the boats between those for and against it. It also would not necessarily have ended like the movie. People justify terrible things all the time. It just depends completely on who is there to make the decision.
He does prove his point. The Joker wins in the end. As he put it he had an ace in the hole. He wouldn't lose the battle for Gotham's soul in a fist fight with Batman. He took Gotham's white night and brought him down to their level. He may not have demonstrated his point on a larger scale, but with Harvey, the definition of a good, civilized, moral person, becomes a monster just like the Joker, and arguably just like Batman. He proved his point, and created a system that allowed what Bane and the League of Shadows did in the next movie possible. "When the chips are down, these civilized people, they'll eat each other." And the chaos and anarchy that ensues in the next movie is precisely what he was talking about and is exactly what happens.
What is completely stupid about that particular plot point is the fact that it occurs to nobody that they are likely holding their own detonators.
If either the civilians or the inmates press the button, they themselves would blow up rather than the other ship.
"There is a difference between you and me. We both looked into the abyss, but when it looked back at us… You blinked." - Batman
Lego batman is a great movie 😂
"The trouble with loyalty to a cause, is that the cause will always betray you"
- another great quote from Lockdown
Def one of my faves
That I think is a better one, the whole center of the universe one is really just human nature but the cause one can actually be learned from.
That still isn't necessarily right and at worst it's used to justify fence sitting, or having no cause.
@@mechanomics2649 I believe it would imply that no matter which cause you associate yourself with,at some point it may make a decision which you may somewhat or strongly disagree with,which is inevitable,since it's unlikely there is any cause out there so perfect that you'll subscribe to their every word and choice wholeheartedly.
@@Sikorsky1111 There is only one cause you will ALWAYS be aligned to. Your own cause. It is the only one that can't really betray you, but then again, you can't really betray her either.
Man Of Steel is underrated to me. It didn’t deserve the hate it got. That speech from Zod was deep.
I feel like the main problem with Man of Steel was that it was trying to be Batman. It was not a bad movie but it twisted Superman's character into what it wasn't, I absolutely LOATH the bits with Pa Kent his callousness and cruelty towards Clark and those other kids, that's not Superman's story.
Nice effects but it had no soul.
It was bad but it wasn't good either.
@@HubiKoshiIf they wanted to do grimdark Superman, they should have done an adaptation of the Superman: Speeding Bullets comic, where he lands in Gotham and is adopted by the Waynes instead of the Kents, and the parents are still murdered, so you get Batman with all of Superman's powers.
The best superhero fight scene in the terms of showing what god-like beings can do to their surrounding while fighting . I love MoS
An empire that is toppled by its enemies can rise again, but that same empire that collapses from within is dead FOREVER. I LOVE this quote.
Zemo was pretty awesome. Not only in Civil War but in Falcon & WinterSoldier too.
@@153ridzzzzbro tore apart the avengers in a way ultron and loki could never
And now look what is happening in Amercia and also in Europe... we are on the brink of collapsing from within
All great empires in history have fallen because they have fallen into degeneracy (Rome, USSR, Persia, Maya, etc.).
@@crisis4905we are under occupation
"Peace has cost you your strength!victory has defeated you" 🥶🥶🥶
Literally Britain 1938
@@luck3yp0rk93
britain had alot grime. world war one and workers strikes
Literally the Jedi Order during and before the Prequels.
In other words... Resting on your laurels.
You have to keep building on your successes. If you aren't growing, you're dying.
Victory will make you weak if you accept it.
The irony of that statement is it describes the United States to a T currently.
Zod loved his planet and he would do anything for it, while it might not be right it's still understandable (edit: no Zod couldn't choose another planet Because 1)they were almost out of fuel
2) planet had to be already habited)
he is also an idiot who could have terraformed mars without any opposition or the movie needed to introduce the martians.
He is a man with a will, and the means to act on it. Zod is a truth most people fear to hear.
@@beiberns yeqh
The truth hurts, doesn't it?
@@Philthorn huh?
"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
- Harvey Dent
Every single one of them had the exact same issue. They all correctly identified a problem, and then made the collossal, logical leap that, somehow, lots of murder was the best solution.
I'd say the one exception was Bane in DKR. Given he intended to blow up the city with the people he "inspired" still in it I don't think he really believed his own words so much as he just said what people wanted to hear.
@@icanilis6789 yeah I always thought it was layered too, like he's saying something that has truth but weaponizing it for his own agenda. He's almost mocking the idea like what he's saying and what they're doing is purposeless. Bane is power by both anger, revenge, and nihilism.
Bane lived long enough to see himself become the villain.
Historically speaking though even up to the present that is a valid and surprisingly effective tactic as morally reprehensible as it is. I mean most foundings of empires throughout history start with exactly that premise with varying degrees of justifications for the killing part.
Can you explain the difference between zod and the early American colonials?
@@zachary3367 very true. But Keep in mind, not all settlers & colonials made war with the Indians...
"peace has cost you your strength, victory has defeated you" is probably the most realest one here. when people are comfortable of their success and stops there, everything tears apart when they meet a new one.
victory is a challenge not a reward. there is no true victory until we die of no regret.
Well stated. We love Bane at least a little bit for telling it like it is.
"Stay hard" -David Goggins
Not really, you'll always have people looking for strength
The true reward of victory is a greater challenge
You missed this one: "The one thing they love more than a hero is to see a hero fail, fall, die trying. In spite of everything you've done for them, eventually, they will hate you." - Green Goblin
-Why bother
Should have added Green Goblin saying "In spite of everything you've done for them eventually they will hate you, why bother?"
One of the best
"The one thing people love more than a hero is to watch a hero fail, fall, die trying."
In what way is "Even if you do the right thing people will hate you, so don't bother" completely right? Sounds like utter nonsense to me.
You should do the right thing _because_ it's the right thing, not because you want to be 'liked' for doing it.
That's what makes a hero a hero. They do the right thing even if doing so comes at some cost to themselves, even if it incurs hardship or great difficulty.
Doing the right thing only when it's convenient for yourself or will benefit you in some way is not heroic.
@@arstulex it's just a truth about life you don't necessarily have to be a hero you can even just be a normal person doing good things and often you'll find out people is quick to forget the good you've done and to hate you at the first mistake you make, so Goblin is right in that sentence.
@@arstulex As far as I can see the quote is "why bother?" not "don't bother." A question, not a conclusion. Presumably a hero would have a heroic answer to the question. The statement before the question is right IMO.
1:42 The "You have no idea" really gets me. It fills you with wonder, and a bit of dread as well. What's out there, that's made a cybertronian bounty hunter reminisce on it so profoundly?
Lockdown was the most badass transformers villain ever
Nothing
No such thing as aliens
God only made this earth
I guess aliens are possible
But i doubt it
The way he says “You have no idea” says to me that he’s seen things so powerful so terrifying that we wouldn’t even comprehend them.
@@hawk66100 and you would be 1,000,000 times correct and more. Humanity are nothing but walking talking CATTLE, a bunch of piss ants compared to what is out there.
@@rianmacdonald9454presumably you either have faith in God or proof of eti.
"Let the past die, kill it if you have to"
Disney to our childhood
Yes. I truly believe this line was included to propagandize to people to forget the old Star Wars and all the other IP's they intentionally destroy and instead embrace this new, soulless product.
ikr? why was that line in there it's so shit
😂Oh that's so accurate and funny at the same time because its true. Nice.
Disney really did become the villain of our times didn't it
And none of you are any different. You can’t even open your heart to anything anymore because all you fanboys know is hate. You won’t give anything a chance. You kill Star Wars, not Disney, by using the ideals that the Jedi are against. Fear, anger, hate. And now all you know is suffering
"You either die a Hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain" isn't really truth for everyone. Maybe some people but certainly not a universal truth. I guess in a career as a superhero it's certainly something you need to consider.
The whole quite is meant as a warning.
That you should seek the truth but never forget your ideals.
Later in the movie he was proven wrong by Batman and actually acknowledged it. He made the speech when Batman caught him and was surprised he did not kill him because of Rachel. He was then proving right with Dent becoming two face. He tried his hardest to make Batman a killer but he failed.
Technically it can be universally true. Some "heroes" just don't live that long. At the same time some aspects of "villainy" are subjective.
@@Aetherothbut with villainy being subjective, that would mean everything we do as a hero would be evil depending on who's looking at us. that doesn't make it a universal truth as it's not universally accepted that you started off as a hero.
@Roniixx I don't fully disagree, but as the theme for a super hero movie it works, and like I said, it could be truth for a superhero or possibly a politician, but otherwise, yeah, it doesn't make alot of sense.
I was a homicide detective in Chicago for decades. Heath Ledger’s Joker quote strikes me as incredibly accurate. For some reason it always resonated with me.
I've always wondered what goes on in the mind when viewing a person who was recently murdered.
Sure buddy.
Perhaps it seems accurate because you were in Chicago, one of the most violent and corrupt cities in the nation.
Which quote?
@@BlackDiamond2718 starts at 0:44.
As children, we look up to heroes
As adults, we understand villains
Holy cringe.
@@Crusina I can bet money you watched Breaking Bad and didn't understand anything about it.
@@1Guason3 you didn't understand breaking bad if you thought walter was right
@Skyfoogle the point went so over your head. Walter was in the wrong. The message was to understand why he did it. Understanding something or someone doesn't mean you agree with it. We understand why Zod wanted to terraform earth. That doesn't mean we think he was in the right either.
@@Crusina you give holy a bad name with that cringeness
Even Superman felt a little sympathy for Zod, after his speech.
Until accidentally misgendered him 😬
@@christopherneufelt8971Say less. No please, stop talking.
Hes basically Hitler.
It's worth noting that superman mentality is struggling between kill or not kill when fighting zod. On one hand, he is the only crptonian left, the last of his kind, but on the other hand, he is killing earthlings, the people supes wanted to protect.
@@christopherneufelt8971 That's a problem with basically all superheroes, they fight the symptoms not the cause because stories that address those are "too political" for some people. Superheroes exist to maintain the status quo first and foremost, so the villains despite having correct assessments have to be written to arrive at violent conclusions in a contrived way.
Michael Shannon's take on Zod in both Man of Steel and The flash (as awful as that movie as a whole was) was BRILLIANT!! Not a megalomanical zealot who craved power for himself, but a man who was born to be a leader and protector to his people on an absolute genetic level! At that point when it is a genetic imperative, he becomes VASTLY more dangerous an enemy than Zod from Superman II as his anger towards Superman is coming from the fact that he now has literally no purpose for existence.
yeah, Zod's speech always hurts to listen to in a good way. like, he's a mustache twirling villain, he KNOWS he's a mustache twirling villain, but he's truly, fully convinced down to the core of his soul that it's for a good cause, and losing the one thing that he was fighting for totally breaks him. it's a rare villain that can simultaneously make you feel gut wrenching sympathy for them, while also shouting at the screen for the hero to kick his ass!
Very well put gentlemen, yes, that’s why he’s such a great villain, and why that scene is so fantastic, it’s impressive they were able to give us such a good Zod in one movie, given he’s a recurring villain who comes back to make Cal El’s life a nightmare, as well as the other members of the Justice League.
Zod is forced to face an existential crisis of enormous proportions for the first time ever, something he should never have needed to do, something he wasn’t created with the capacity to do, and as a result, is incapable of doing, and completely and irreversibly breaks under the enormous pain and gravity of the situation.
If Zod and his crew had escaped Krypton without the world engine, and without hope of reviving her, though broken-hearted, the healing process could have been started in fullness. Theoretically, he and his remnants could have been a massive force for good wherever they went.
Except, Zod wasn't trying to protect his species. He was trying to get petty revenge against Jor El.
The whole reason he chose Earth was out of revenge. There was no species protection in that choice. It was just a tantrum of a child that got told to stop fighting because the adults were talking, and when he finally got let out of his room ran around smashing his toys.
After smashing all his toys he blamed Superman for his own stupidity.
You may be right. Mine was just a "what if" scenario. He was clearly warped.
My favorite quote is:
Do not compare yourself to others. If you do so, you are insulting yourself.
Bane's "victory has defeated you" line will always hit different
Case in point: American citizens not fighting for their rights and instead content to sit back and allow those rights to be slowly eroded by their government, as long as they got to keep the boons of their precious civilization...
@nukepuke932 There is always a point where people revolt. For the majority of Americans that hasn't been reached yet.
For those who have reached that point the question becomes what they are fighting against. Everyone has their own view of the situation and what rights are actually just and others are just excuses the other side uses.
@@RFDN0 that tree is looking more and more thirsty every day...
@iainmaclean4872 To you, yes. To the entirety of society is a different question.
It also needs to be questioned if the built-in revolution (elections) is enough to solve the problems without causing a massive war. Aside from that, it depends on if this is a polarized issue where half the country feels one way and the other half feels the other. In that case, all this would do is cause a bloody war where both sides have massive losses with a series of dictatorships occurring until either one side emerges completely victorious or a govermemt with the ability to compromise is made again.
Oh god I HATE that "hit different" garbage. Hit like what? That could mean ANYTHING. People copy the same idiotic sayings people say in a stupid attempt to "fit in" because they're too scared to have their own personality.
Zod's fatal flaw was his _contempt._
He looked down on all the other Kryptonian factions, and thought only the Military was worth a damn.
He looked down on Earth, with jealousy and disgust, at us in the midpoint of our civilization puttering around the mud, and *refused* to play ball with...
Superman, who was, in theory, perfectly willing to give Zod the password to the Kryptonian genetic library, to rebuild Krypton. But just _not on Earth._
Of course Superman/Clark/Kal-el was everything Zod hated. Human-raised, escaped Krypton through Jor-el's hypocrisy, _and_ turned out a passivist with too much empathy.
*Zod thought he didn't have to compromise, and he **_really_** didn't want to.*
Which, I suppose is the fatal flaw of growing your people in cocoons pre-programmed for a single specific task. The freedom to choose and adapt to different circumstances is vastly superior to a rigid and unyielding template.
It's not as if he could help it. When born with a purpose programmed in your mind and that is all you known your whole life it becomes your identity. The thing about an identity being attached to only one task is that people with this mind set will do what ever it takes to protect this identity. Even if all they knew was a lie. They will hurt and kill others to protect that identity. Conscience or not they understand that once they lose that Identity they're dead. Even before someone kills them physically. Zod is an example of a lot of people who's been given an identity before they even have a chance to claim their own minds. It's sad and scary when you think of the number of people walking this planet who were taught lies and believed them for so long that the truth is a threat to the identity...
"Superman, who was, in theory, perfectly willing to give Zod the password to the Kryptonian genetic library, to rebuild Krypton. But just not on Earth."
I don't recall them ever having a conversation about terraforming another planet
Would let zod take earth once a single nuke is going to spark ww3. deez lgbtq and religion issues is starting to spread like garbage anyway. eradicating us instantly with also a nuke
@@heliopyrenot only that, they tried finding other worlds that were “colonized” and found them dead and barren having failed to support life.
I once heard from a former criminal that "you are only a hero to those you save, and only a villain to those who forsake you". There are different ways to interpret this but those words changed my life a little. It works whether you see it from a good person's point of view or a bad person's. Actions that are seemingly good could still be bad to others, and vice versa. If you label someone a villain then that is who they are to you regardless of what they are to others, and vice versa. One must look at both sides of a story and reason from a neutral standpoint to truly see the big picture.
It's not the motive, the end goal that makes a villain. It's the means by which they choose to attain that goal.
No, the motive can also make a villain. If you acknowledge that any particular means is immoral then you can imagine people who use those means for its own sake, villains, men who want to watch the world burn.
@@scottmatheson3346 Yeah, beware of people who say "It's not X, it's Y". It's almost always both, and cutting one out makes it untrue.
It's perception.
Heroes use force to defeat and potentially kill villains.
Villains use force to defeat and potentially kill heroes.
The two are indistinguisable.
@@sneezyfido Nonsense. Villains harm the "innocent", and heroes protect them.
@@siler7 the knight of the crusades were heroes to Christians but villains to Muslims.
Again, perspective.
When we were kids we loved the heroes, but as we get older we understand the villains.
Very underrated comment. I Bravo!
Ozymandias was completely wrong in his analysis of the Cold War. The fear was of soviet aggression in the Baltic, Finland, Eastern, Central and Southern Europe, Caucuses, Africa, Middle-East, South-East Asia, China and the Americas. Their promotion of a totalitarian murderous ideology with foreign subversion (Think about how the communist party of the United States of America and those that were a part of it supported the soviets during stalin's reign! During 1956 in Hungary, Czechoslovakia in 1968, Poland in 1981-1983 and Afghanistan in 1979-1989 e.t.c. They should have been, and were to be fair, banned and, in my opinion, executed (With the appropriate legal mechanisms of the country in question, due process of law.).) too was a bit of a problem. With all the resources in the world the soviets would still manage to starve their people and ask the Americans for some wheat to prop them up.
@@johnnotrealname8168 A detail. It was Wall Street that supported the Communist and strategically placed them in Power as an agreement between WW1 Germany to remove the Eastern threat from their Strategy. The Situation of Starvation was because the Soviet Union was actually exporting all of its wheat to the West and the Western Colonies in return for Credits which we know that it end up in Banks outside of the Soviet Union. The same for other strategic resources such a Gold, Nickel, Petroleum, Diamonds. Most of the contracts ended up in 1990 and renewed with change of political governance by Yelzin in 1992, with of course the children of Party Members being now the Oligarchs and the recipients of the resources again the Wall Street. My claim is documented by Sutton as well as others.
@@christopherneufelt8971 Who is Sutton? Edit: The soviet union was able to starve their own people without outside help.
I always understood the villains even as a kid for some reason
Ozymandias was such a well written villain. So many super genius villains let their pride get in the way of an easy victory or leave super obvious things for the hero to exploit but Ozy sets up the pieces only to reveal he won the game before anyone even sat down to play. The only person who could take on someone who literally had God like powers and win.
Amen
Alan Moore is a genius.
@@iowadrummer7 who watch the watchmen?
The problem with really smart people is that they don't understand really stupid people, or crazy people. He didn't understand Rorschach, and couldn't predict his actions. Ozymandias' perfect plan will ultimately be ruined by Rorschach's journal.
@@chrisdonovan8795 I don't think I would use stupid or crazy to adjective Rorschach. Not even "unique" because we are all unique in a way. He was socially handicapped because of his past, becoming intolerant and aggressive towards certain behaviors.
Agent Smith's rhetoric to Morpheus about the human race is quite good
Loved that quote. I can still recite it word for word even after not watching that movie in years. His speech to Neo after the oracle leaves in the 2nd movie was also profound
I am surprised that wasn't here
Funny thing is I did it in practical in my English essay and my teacher told me I was a mentally ill person and called my mother and I was embarrassed in front of the whole class 🗿🚬
"It's the smell!"
Yeah, it's completely true. Humanity is just a virus that completely destroys everything in its endless quest for money/power.
I wouldn't say they were completely right but some of them were pretty spot on. And that to me is what makes a better villain because you can relate to what they are saying.
It's pretty hard to simply make a villain be just evil and have them work in the movie. I suppose early horror movies work moderately well or even say Vader before his arc was expanded. I think that's why so many of the more recent superhero movies haven't worked all that well.
I don't think there is anything necessarily wrong with a simple pure evil as long as that is what the movie wants its villain to be and owns up to it. The issues arise in those movies who have villains that are purely evil but can't own up to it or make up their minds on what they want their villains to be so they try to make them seem better than they are and thus you get villains who are kinda all over the place and not that believable.
Although as we get older I guess just simple evil becomes less interesting for us than when we were kids. But a simple evil can still be a menacing and a good villain. Sauron from LOTR is one example imo. Your early Vader example works as well.
Correct! Again I realized this on my research and for an example of this is in the movie incredibles 2. The screen slaver hated supers due to their family issue relying on supers. However, close to the end the screen saver didn't have an answer for the super-baby. The baby being a new slate and innocent.
@KanohiVahi Sauron is sort of not a villain nor is he thee villain of the movie. In a way the ring is the villain. A lot of people have trouble with this and I give them an easy comparison. The time machine vs time machine of the 2000's.
The first one has a super abstract villain and the other while abstract villain is present has a physical villain.
Most people can't deal with abstract villains anymore. There always has to be someone there to beat up and kill.
@@EmeraldEdge72 This thread is such an interesting discussion! I think execution based on the type of story you're telling plays an important role too! Writing conventions are mostly a guide, not rules set in stone. Some might argue a pure evil villain is one-dimensional and uninteresting, but LOTR made it work.
Same applies to other writing conventions too. "Show don't tell" is a popular rule, to make sure exposition is slipped in without being noticed. But in story-based games like Horizon Zero Dawn a hologram straight up tells you the exposition directly, but most people are invested because the mystery and intrigue is built up really well prior, feeding you just enough to get a glimpse of the story but withholding enough to keep you wanting more. It goes against normal writing rules but it does it very well.
Writing is such a fascinating thing, there's not really any bad ideas, just bad execution. So as long as writers take time and care with their work it should be okay, the rules are very flexible and can let people be really creative on how they go about their story!
@@KanohiVahiAggred with the Sauron and Vader being great examples of simple evil done right. Throwing Little Jack Horner from Puss in Boots 2 as another example
The Erik Lehnsherr from the 'First Class' films is done very well, you can understand where his angst comes from. Zod from Man of Steel also particularly stands out: he was genetically DESIGNED to do no less than what he was doing...Superman had no choice but to destroy him, an act he obviously hated to have to resort to.
Fassbender is masterful with that character. Most of the best scenes from the X-men movies he stars in are his.
The problem with X-man is that the issue is unsolvable. Humanity have all the rights to fear the mutants, and Magnetto clearly show they should. Until one party GTFO to like another planet situation won't be solved. Because mutant are fundamentally different from humans. Mutants draw strength from individuals, and humans always survived as a collective, where a single person can't do much alone. Yet a single mutant with "correct" powers can enslave or wipe out humanity. The whole francize is depend on "Professor Xavier is not evil".
after all this years in this vital industry, this is the first time i see someone calling magneto by his actual name
@@madzaisa ''all the rights''' bro.. thats one thing that literally makes no sense at all in the marvel universe, if the mutants are such a thing to fear then why tf other non-mutant super people are not treated the same? mutants are not the only super people in the world... i mean jessica jones is pretty out there even showing her face without costume or anything and i don't see shit like this happening to her
"The trouble with loyalty to a cause, is that the cause will always betray you." - Lockdown
Such a true statement as even his own cause got him killed as he wanted to collect all the Knights but because of that he got killed by Optimus
…unless you betray the cause first.”
This is the unspoken part.
MLK and Malcolm X were killed in the same way
It's Bane's speech that hits home for most. Who doesn't want to see the rich and powerful come down to size and ENDURE the pain and suffering they created? I am talking the one to five percent.
Banes speech reminded me of communists honestly. and the aftermath of what he did is exactly how it played out in the real world. lots of death and even worse living conditions. fear and violence all that remains.
Some of those rich were born poorer than those who claim to be "poor".
@@danielhagara1442
The rich are all lucky. They are already lucky to be born in countries that even allow to financially rise somewhat. People in poorer countries don't have that. And most rich people do not come from lower classes. You hyper focus on exceptions to ignore the rule.
Communists always like to think that they love and support the poor, but they really just hate and envy the rich. No system that punishes success can ever succeed because it inevitably becomes a race to the bottom of purity signaling, purity of class, of wealth, of work, of ideology.
Bane was somewhat right: Power and comfort can lead to decadence. But that's only part of it imo. You can be poor and still be a despicable person.
Watched Spider-Man 2 as a kid years ago. I’m mid 20s now and trying my hand at a musical career. The “using your intelligence for mankind” quote hits way different now. It really means something to me now. The downfall of Otto was done so well. They had to have him become a villain very quickly. So they give us a scene like that that makes him look like a really, really good guy and then the arms AI take over his brain not long after. Becomes something of a tragedy when it happens to Otto, a character they wrote to be so wise
Really? because another musician doesn’t really help mankind out in any way.
@@bigdopamine9343 neither do you with comments like this. But now you also do the opposite. I put music out that’s something wholesome I’m sharing with the world. You’re just sharing your judgement with a comment like this. Why? Cuz whereas you need to throw your judgment out there, I’m looking to spread something wholesome to the world. That’s the difference between me and you
@@warhead5225 well no it’s just stupid that you’d take a quote from a character that’s a quantum physicist about using your intelligence and think it somehow has relevance to being in a band. I’m glad you like what you’re doing, but don’t delude yourself into thinking you’re somehow improving the world.
@@bigdopamine9343 bro it’s comment on TH-cam. Why you reading into it so far making it something egotistical? I work a job and play music. There’s no bs I bring to the world. And I value that. You, here, with a TH-cam COMMENT shooting someone down you don’t know just cuz you can, that’s the bs you bring to the world. Realize that. And realize there’s no reason to do this. You could’ve just not gotten into whatever this is now. That quote has a different meaning to me now and that’s it. Way to go scorched Earth just because you wanted to. Better people only do it when they have to 🤷♂️
@@warhead5225 the quote has a different meaning to you because you misunderstood it. If you don’t want people calling out your stupid bullshit affirmations then don’t put them on TH-cam comments section. And my point is that just thinking your putting out positive vibes or whatever isn’t actually improving the world in any way. Maybe one day you’ll understand what I’m saying and become a better person.
What makes a good villain isn't that he doesn't understand the way the world works and so he's bad. Its that he understands how the world works very well, but does not have the moral strength to bear it, and so they make the wrong decision with all the right information.
“You may not see any threats, but they are threats all around You.” ~ Jigsaw
A lot of these guys aren't "right" unless you're cynical. A lot of them have some good points, but ultimately, they were all wrong in the end, whether in their ideology or their actions.
They aren't right even if you are cynical; they're just delusional or liars. The only ones who are "right" are Dr Octavius (who was not a villain at that point), Lockdown (in a universe where they are alien species, we cannot be the center) and, ironically, Joker (people do reveal their true selves when staring down the barrel of a gun).
Lol my guy believe movies over real life
@blue7lvn245 naw movies get there ideas from real life
They are right, but then there is a second question after they make there statement. Does the ends justify the means?
@@MrBennieagray The ends must never justify the means; if they ever do, it will be the final triumph of evil over good.
You missed one. Where Palpatine explained to Anakin how he should embrace a broader spectrum of the force. I thought to myself that was the most honest line in the whole movie.
Man, do I hate it when somebody puts up a bunch of clips and somebody has to say YoU mIsSeD oNe.
@@siler7 I apologize.
@@johnvonachen1672 Spoken like a man. My hat is off.
except the devil's in the details
"Broad" isn't the same as "Open"
it's quite the opposite "Broad" is just "Narrow" in disguise.
Plus it was still obviously to manipulate him.
Palpatine only wanted personal power. He had no cause. The Sith before him (from Bane onwards) at least wanted the Sith to thrive, even if in secret and the Sith before Bane wanted to dominate the galaxy and prove they're the strongest. They BELIEVED in something. Palpatine did not. And all the bullshit he spews in front of Anakin is only meant to manipulate him.
What was noticeably missing from this compilation was probably my favorite, truest quote by a movie villain. Mr. Smith's speech to Morpheus in The Matrix, about humanity having the same qualities as a virus.
I think he does even better when he says that the late 90's were the peak of civilization. 20 years later, i am now convinced he was right.
I think with the same context Ultron said something similar to this
Nolan’s trilogy really has some of the greatest villains OAT
Jokers quotes are the most accurate for this day and age. Love the quotes
You know times are bad when Bane's speech for taking back Gotham doesn't sound like a villainous plan anymore
Ain't that the truth.😅😅😅
Completely right.....No. Had a fair point, yes.
One quote was...two face's you either die a heor or live long enough to see yourself become the villain is true and I see it play itself out over and over even to this day
"Crime cannot be tolerated. Criminals thrive on society's understanding."
💯
Men get arrested. Dogs get put down.
Check out what is happening in El Salvador. Murder capital of the world to one of the safest countries in the western hemisphere in a couple of years.
Because they are still human
Mercy for criminals is cruelty to their victims.
Punishment doesn't stop crime. Oldest lesson humans still fail to understand.
I like that they make Batman’s villains actually have ‘good’ reasons for being the way they are at least in a way. I mean don’t get me wrong they have done horrible things but what I’m trying to say is I’m glad that in a twisted way they’re right
*reasons. None of them are good.
Batman was done really well. Realistic and believable for being a superhero trilogy
The best villains to me are victims of circumstances. It makes me feel like they are just as human as the heroes. And who knows, if the heroes went through what the villains did, maybe they wouldn't be so heroic afterall.
@@Trewq79 Well stated. Bruce Wayne had his parents taken from him and that was an injustice. But Bane saved Talia from the other prisoners and he was punished for that. Then Bane was punished by R'as Al-Gul for merely being a constant reminder of his failure to protect his wife. When virtue is punished it is no wonder that a person reaches a breaking point.
Superman was like: Go on, I'm all ears.
"Yep we're plenty of stubborn" Iron Man
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
Understand both this quote and how fragile the human mind can be, and you're in for one hell of a scare.
You know the collective media literacy is at an all-time-low when people confuse "justified in their actions / motives" with "completely right."
Heath ledgers' joker is the perfect example of someone who perfectly knows about the corruption in society.
Among all of these quotes, Lockdown's hits me hardest. "You have no idea...." I mean just imagine some powerful beings in universe for whom we could be like some insects
Makes you think of how charisma can convince so much people about anything being COMPLETELY RIGHT
Ethos i think
The premise of the title doesn't hold water, but damn, so many great villain moments! Michael Shannon is the man.
The objective of a villain is very rarely the issue, it is but the means.
I feel bad for Zod. He bred, trained and brainwashed from birth to be a cruel warrior for the greater good no matter how bad it seemed in the moment. He was still trying to save his people.
The watchmen is so underrated man .
Ozymandias was a brilliant in that movie.
I still love G'Mork's line from the Neverending Story "...because people who have no hopes are easy to control..." and the fact that he told no lies to Atreyu.
Bane is an absolutely amazing character because he doesn't sound like a villain he is just a man that has grown up in tough conditions and survived by being better than his competitors. Tbh if he didn't maniacally try to blow up Gotham he wouldn't even be seen as a villain. He'd be portrayed as one but in theory he prioritized the masses over individuals and that's not inherently bad.
"my soul... that is what you have taken from me." I never thought I'd relate with Zod as much as I do now.. you can break a man's body. You can break a man's mind. You can break a man's heart. But when you break the soul on top of all of that... Revenge. Is. Coming.
Give a man nothing to live for and he will take out his anger on the nearest thing, just hope the focus isnt on you.
It would be cool if we could get a "Qoutes from Villians who were completely wrong" video someday.
That’s the point of a well-written hero vs. villain story. It’s ultimately a philosophical debate-the hero can’t just punch the bad guy to stop him, he also has to prove his ideology wrong.
For example, in The Killing Joke comic the Joker’s point is that anyone is just one bad day away from turning evil/insane. He’s doing that to try and justify his own fall to the dark. But Commissioner Gordon and Batman prove him wrong by staying moral despite all the garbage he does to them.
Honestly, it'd be the same video. They're only completely right if you buy into what they're selling.
It really is just the same video.
Bane says take back your city by knocking out the rich. They go on to live for months in squalor and crime and violence. Also he flatout lied and was going to kill everyone anyway.
Ozy says kill millions to save billions, as if warfare hasn’t been a thing not just since mankind rose but since the beginning of life. For the smartest man alive he was actually really stupid.
Zod basically got a taste of his own medicine as his work to terraform planets wiped out all the living denizens of it.
@@clarkmichaels822 And then you're wrong too.
@@siler7 : Hardly, a lot of what others are considering "right" is a lot of thinking errors and misanthropy in action, and even then I doubt it's completely dislike for humanity, it's just a bunch of edgy folks clinging on to controversial quotes just to get a rise out of folks.
How is Superman choosing to save humans instead of commiting genocide wrong? And how does Bane completely trashing the city and freeing all the prisoners to cause mayhem makes him right? Lol this is some I'm 14 and this is deep level of stuff
General Zod looks like he is looking right AT YOU! 😱
Michael Shannon as zod is perfect
"Criminals thrive on the indulgence of the society's understanding "- Ducard
When we were younger we rooted for the heroes. But when we get older we understand the villains.
Understand yes, but in the end, we still root for those heroes.
The villains had some good points
But their actions and beliefs were still bad
Like Lex
That literally knows nothing about God
Joker had some good points
That many people will drop their Morale values when nobody looks or when society falls
But no everyone will turn as crazy as he is
@@dude9318 Lex was right about God. Hell, reading the Bible I would agree with Lex, since God approved of and legislated slavery for the Israelites (laws on how to own and treat slaves in leviticus, accepted a human sacrifice, and committing genocides. Lex was right, an omnibenevolent God would never let the fall of humanity happen in the first place.
@@OmegaF77 as a Christian, we can’t blindly believe that was said by god was all said by him, it doesn’t make sense that a lot of the “laws from God” were way more inhumane than most other cultures of the time. And this might sound crazy, but he let sin in the world because he loves us, let me explain. First off, if he was a cruel God like how many believe, he would’ve killed Lucifer the instant he challenged him, and he let sin happen because he created us with free will and he loves us so much that he respects our free will. If God was cruel, humanity would’ve been eradicated long ago. And before you say something about the flood, God doesn’t cause stuff like that, he only lets those things happen, he gave people the option to save themselves, but ultimately arrogance got the better of them. God bless you all.
Doc Ock was an amazing character and it wasn’t entirely his fault that he went mad. “I will not die a monster” still chokes me up.
Where my boy Thanos at?
Zod sounds like every dictator ever. They rationalize and justify their actions and unconscious motivations by claiming it's "for the greater good."
However, since one cannot always predict long term outcomes, such a notion is inherently flawed.
He cared about his planet, he was right and an understandable alien while humans care only about our planet so there is no “dictator” Hitler was a dictator and worse than Zod and got off easy while zod was killed by his own kind
Yes and No. Dictators are attached to maintain political power or some type of State. Zod just wanted to save his dying race
That’s what all of these villains did. Rationalize their evil.
Ozymandias would vaporize millions to save billions. But he still murdered millions. The millions that he killed are just as dead no matter what the justification.
Thing is, Zod is totally different than the others - he is a man trying to save the superior species - his species - from extinction. It is like if you said "Lets wipe out some monkey to survive as a humanity.
@@mikekolokowsky so you’re telling me the whole world wants to eliminate you and your entire family and you’ll be like these punk gen z kids and talk to everyone who attempts to kill you rather than be an actual human and fight to survive because if so obviously you aren’t a family man
I'm surprised. Thanos had a ton of scenes and lines that would have been great for this list.
I was thinking the exact same thing!
"An empire toppled by it's enemies can rise again, but one wich crumbles from within? That's dead, forever"!
I think this one passed unnoticed by most people, but it shouldn't, because given the current times we are living, this one is the most important by far!
The first half of the quote is also very applicable, to nazis, communists, jihadists. If people believe their ideology is one of martyrs then that will.only encourage their fervor, rather than an ideology dying because it is simply wrong and illogical.
@@JohnnyRocker023 It's not just applicable to organized religions. Their behaviour is no different than the political woke cult we see thriving now. Believe or die.........it's the same mantra.
This is buy far one the most relevant quotes in this entire video. 💯💯💯👍🏼👍🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
this quote have irl example like USSR
Cringe.
Sometimes the bad guys are RIGHT
No they aren't. Because even when what they say makes some kind of sense, they go and do something that completely invalidates it.
Take Thanos, for instance. He insisted the only way to solve overpopulation was to kill half the world to save the other half.
Then he got the Infinity Gauntlet, and with it the power to do ANYTHING he pleased -- including try all the other possible solutions to overpopulation.
But he didn't. He went right ahead and killed half the world.
To save the other half? No. OUT OF SPITE.
Thanos did his Snap in order TO PROVE HE WAS RIGHT AND EVERYONE ELSE WAS WRONG.
And when he (or another him) discovered to what lengths people would go to undo what he'd done ... he decided to go a step further. Kill EVERYONE ... and then bring them all them BRAINWASHED INTO BELIEVING HE WAS RIGHT.
Now. Do you agree with everything he did?
Because if you do, you've got issues as big as his to deal with.
The "bad guys". And yes, they are. They are SO right.
"maybe i am bad"
Everytime
@@AbhirajR.G-pf8juHell yeah they are
Zod wasn’t wholly evil in Man of Steel. He was a man passionate about his people and ensuring their survival.
He was evil he was at the very end of options and was willing to make egregious choices and got mad at Clark for taking his soul when he was actively trying to do the same thing to Clark by trying to take his soul.
@@gibster9624 I didn’t say he wasn’t evil at just not pure evil. He at least had a legitimate cause. Still extremely screwed up to try to wipe out humanity to bring his people out. But he would’ve been pure evil if he was just trying to wipe humanity for just satisfaction or just for shits and giggles.
He was born with that . To ensure the survival of their race. To do what is necessary whether it is deemed evil or good.
@@ChristCentered1995 All villains think they have legitimate cause.
"You want to protect the world, but you don't want it to change. How is humanity saved if it's not allowed to... evolve? With these? These puppets. There's only one path to peace. The Avengers' extinction." - Ultron to the Avengers
They weren’t completely right, they just made some pretty good points
At 2:00 I finally noticed how DocOck says hiding love can make you sick, finally making me understand why Spidey kept losing his powers randomly in that film....
actually, i feel like he lost his powers due to psychological mental breakdown. it wasn't just him keeping his feelings for MJ inside it was a multiple of things. the stress of living a double life. the responsibilities of Spiderman. the resentment he had. he chooses this life. he chooses to use his powers for good. he resented making that choice because it caused him to give up what he desired the most living a normal life and being with MJ. but he also felt obligated because he feels responsible for his uncle's death that guilt and regret. also losing his best friend Harry. between Spiderman 1 and 2 you can see Peter and Harry aren't as close as they were. so, all of these things are a huge emotional toll. some even traumatic. His Brain made the decision to go into survival mode and before he had a complete mental catatonic breakdown. you see in the film him rapidly sorting everything out mentally. coming to terms with his dual life. not resenting being spiderman slowly accepting Uncle Ben's death wasn't his fault.
That Doc Ock quote about keeping love stored inside hit deep. Too damn right.
facts, was looking through the comments to see if someone else thought the same thing as me
There's a difference between having an insightful viewpoint and what you do with that wisdom. No one has the right to single handedly decide the fate of an of a city, country or entire species. Evil people may be right, but they choose to do wicked things with that knowledge rather than use their insights to help humanity. That's the real lesson to be learned from these quotes.
"You should have gone for the head" - Thanos
I love how the majority of quotes from this video come from the Dark Knight trilogy, showing that itbwas perfectly cast, scripted, and directed
Tbf they’re missing a lot of marvel quotes like Thanos and magneto
Nah it has good quotes but that movie is overrated to high hell.
Zod being all "I was created to protect my people...and you destroyed our only hope!"
Meanwhile Kal-El is smirking at him like "I dont really care. Id rather be playing Warhammer 40K, or reading the Witcher"
Zod is literally a Primarch created by his people to protect them against the foul Xenos mutants and heretics. Superman is just another Traitor 😂
What? No.
I'm sorry but Kylo's quote is the only one of these quotes that doens't have a shred of logic or sense to it, compared to the other villains' speeches.
sure it does.
its what disney has been doing, again and again, to everything great it had.
@@scout360pyroz On a meta level it makes sense, but not in universe.
@@scout360pyroz Except they've been thriving on nostalgia pandering since, because they know people are dumb like that.
If you hold the past dear, and that past holds you down for whatever reason, you have to let it go or die to grow as a person. I think that's what he was getting at, although in the context of becoming a more powerful Jedi.
@@OmegaF77 No, that's just your wide-eyed interpretation. He just wanted to burn down the past to "be stronger" and have no more ties, which is absolutely inane and not even he could stick to it, given he went back to his Vader fanboy phase by TRoS. What more powerful Jedi ???? This emo primadonna couldn't even be a Sith.
Sequel fans are hilarious lmfao
The quotes is what makes these villains great in their respective ways
I understand the Man of Steel speech was hard hitting emotionally, but Henry Cavil's face throughout this speech just has me laughing.
Ah yes. If only resources were infinite! And if only my grandmother had handlebars for arms, she’d be a pogo stick.
Man of Steel gave us a cinematic version of Zod who isn't "JUST EVIL" because he's evil (like they've done with Joker for decades); but an actual man with emotional connection to his people and a sheer unwavering loyalty to his purpose in life. Protecting Krypton and ensuring the survival of his people IS his life. He's not diabolical "just because" Superman needs an enemy. It's why Micheal Shannon (Zod) and Heath Ledger (Joker) are the best ever Live-Action versions to ever play this role. No one else even comes close to the depth of their characters.
Kneel before Zod! But in all seriousness it seems like I should see that film. Thanks for posting.
@@Torgo1969 If you mean Man of Steel, then I would only recommend it if you are okay with Superman. This version of Zod isn't anything like how he's portrayed in Superman 2. They give Zod a clear defined motive and an emotional sense of his duty. Michael Shannon plays him extremely well.
On the other hand if you are referring to The Dark Knight, then yes I recommend that as well. Especially if you have a home theater. The sound is just Epic.
@@patrickcromwell7554 I am a big fan of the Nolan Batman Trilogy, especially TDKR because of Bane. As for Superman 2, I don't remember any character depth being shown for Zod and his 2 accomplices, so it looks like this new Zod is a huge improvement.
@@Torgo1969 Yeah superman 2 was just "Zod tried to take over and failed, so....Zod angry" lol. I mean he was obsessed with making Jor El pay which extended to Kal El. But in recent years they've shown many versions where Zod and Jor El were actually best friends; and in one case that I know of even actually brothers (that was from the short lived show Krypton). Man of steel is my personal favorite Superman movie even though it's based on the New 52 Superman who isn't quite as powerful as the Christopher Reeves/Golden Age Superman.
It's one thing to be right, but the way you take action on it is the defining line of a villain or hero.
"Completely Right" overstates all of these. There is a good reason why these were the villains of those movies. They had good POINTS, but they weren't "completely" right. For each, there was at least something wrong with the way they followed through with their thinking, even if it could be argued that their opinion was basically correct. (Dr. Octavius being the exception, since he wasn't a villain yet. He was failed by his hubris, but that wasn't related to anything shown here.)
I always like the line from the 1980's character Darkness from the movie Legend.
"The dreams of youth are the regrets of maturity."
Bane's rich vs. poor tirade was a ruse to sow chaos. He didn't mean any of it.
Everything that came out of the mouths of Ra’as Al Ghul, Bane and Zoe was absolute gold. I love the philosophy behind these kinds of villains and how sometimes, they are better than the heroes.
A well-written villain is the hero of his own story
When I was young I always thought Zodd was pure evil. Now that I'm old, I realize he was the last hero trying to SAVE his people nothing more. Its sad because he was forced into this position to do awful things for the SURVIVAL of his species.
Not exactly. Superman still has the DNA samples and tech to clone the Kryptonians. Meaning they are likely to survive even without Zod killing off humans.
Extremely hard hitting. Almost cried out of emotion. Outstanding and profound...
General Zod is my fav villain
he is a victim to his world's failure
Except, most of them actually are wrong, most of them only came to those “realizations” because of very extreme circumstances. And the few that actually are correct said those things when they were still good. The thing about villains is, no matter how “right” they seem, they’re almost always wrong in the end.
Exactly. Most of their quotes have a basis of truth, but then take the idea to an extreme that isn't quite right. There's a flaw in their ideology based on that truth, or at least in their methods to achieve their goals.
It's that logic, what they're saying can be right, but their actions make it wrong.
The joker isn't wrong when he says you'll never know someone unless things go bad he is right, some people are only good because it's convenient, what makes him wrong it to prove his point he tries to force people into a bad situation.
Same with Bane, what he's saying is right, the rich almost always fuck over the poor to benefit themselves and make the world a worse place, he's wrong for wanting to blow up the city.
The actions you take usually determine if you're in the right or in the wrong.
You're missing the point. They do have things that they say that are right but just miss the bigger picture. Take the Joker for example, he was right that when the chips are down they'll abandon their morals but was completely wrong about what it would take to prove that and forcing a scenario to prove that was wrong morally
yeah, his mentality was never accurate. yes, when the chips are down many people will drop there morales and go into survival mode. but there are people who won't give into fear and won't drop their morals. not batman level but they will keep some values. Nolan Batman trilogy Gotham is based off of Chicago. so, population is around 3 million. not everyone will act like what joker said. @@gibster9624
Ducard's lines from Batman Begins are the greatest to me, so very applicable to the 20th/21st centuries (the bits about criminals/society). He has another good one, when sparring with Bruce on the ice: "Training is nothing! The will is everything -- the will to ACT."
Yes. Another good line from him is "I know the rage that drives you. That impossible anger strangling the grief, until the memory of your loved ones is just poison in your veins. And one day, you catch yourself wishing the person you loved had never existed, so you'd be spared your pain."
He understands the intense and conflicting desires during a time of mourning both to remember and to forget the loved one that has been lost.
@@Torgo1969 Spot on, Torgo. (awesome screen name, by the way...is the Master back yet?)
He’s so underrated.
Zod's purpose was to protect Krypton, and he failed badly at it, even before finding Kal.
No for lack of trying. He did briefly overthrow the government that was hellbent on letting Krypton die.
he did not fail , it was the government of krypton who was suicidal , Zod was completly right on that he overthrew the government but his coup did not last , after that it was too late .
“You thought we could be decent men in an indecent time, but you we’re wrong” I agree. The world is cruel, and you have to be cruel to survive.
Im sparking a religious "discussion" I dont really want to put the effort into making, sorry in advance.
Faith, or religion, offers an "living" instead of a "survival" in the world of sin we have corrupted. It gives a driving force for what happens after this mortal life we have. So now matter how bad, cruel, or evil the world gets the afterlife will be of peace. Just live a "good" life according to "the teachings" and paradise awaits you. Even aethiesim's belief in nothing afterwords is somewhat peaceful.
the words in quotations are "insert specific religious terms here".
No you don't. This kind of thinking only perpetuates cruelty.
@@mechanomics2649so what's your solution? Nice guys always get bullied and friendzoned
*the capability
You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.