@@NomadicsSWFA I heard nsp make a comment about how Sergio Oliva could be doing Chicago and there is a scenario where An Nguyen Justin Rodriguez and Sergio all place high enough to get enough points to take the 3 spots if none of them win. There's also some other people towards the middle of the list but Regan would have to get very unlucky for them to place high enough without winning. Although I could be totally wrong as I don't know what tier show it is and I haven't been able to find out lol
@@robitaillecopeland1996 I didn't think so? I thought he was a bit watery and missed the mark in that regard where Hollingshead and Brandao nailed it, just the opinion of a fan though, only asking for your opinion on it too 👍
@@marksmyth8687 structure wise he is seriously fantastic imo. He dusted everyone from the back as well. His conditioning wasn't perfect I agree but it was good.
I'm a Brazilian fan of Rafael’s physic, but we gotta admit that he needs a bit more size, looking forward to seeing the pictures of the show, then maybe we will understand why he took third.
@@jaskhangura3033 I love his physique, huge fan. I think you misunderstand what we're saying. It's not that he needs to "get bigger" it's that he needs more back and hamstring thickness for those areas to be completely balanced with the rest of him.
@@MikeKayK He needs to get bigger in fact and he will, but slowly enough to not mess his lines and aesthetics(that's what he said). Think about a Brandão with 10, 15 more pounds with the exactly lines that he has... Booom! a new Flex Wheeler
@@robitaillecopeland1996 Nah, his conditioning was way off. James Hollingshead posted a show day video on his channel in 4k, way more telling than these low res livestream shots that every keeps basing their reviews on. Regan was flat through the chest and poorly conditioned, especially through the lower body. He's lucky to have gotten 4th, that was a gift based on his baseline genetics being the best of the bunch. If you compare the way he looked compared to James leading up to the show, he looked on stage the way James did a week ago. Missed his peak by a mile.
Agreed on all counts. Regan was excellent from the back, solid everywhere else. He was a bit off, sure. I just don't understand why the ifbb prefers a Osladil to Regan here. It's they have an algorithm that takes input of "muscle mass" and "conditioning" and spits out a win without considering aesthetics, symmetry, flow, etc. I was very happy for James, a much deserved win. He looks great in the hands on hip most muscular as you said, cannonball delts!!
Think they gave osladil the edge cuz hes more of a veteran, especially on the European scene. Simple as that I believe. Notging else makes sense except for the "raw mass" argument, which I think is a little less believable. My two cents. Anyways, awesome competition and showing from these guys!
They may do it to make the sport more appealing to more people. Most people don’t have fitness model genetics. Granted the same can be side for size and response genetics. I think with time Regan could be top 5 easily in the Olympia. Maybe even winning.
Brandão has the best aesthetics and line as never seen in the last 30 years, it is absolutely fantastic, this is the fulture of modern bodybuilding 👏👏👏
Shawn Rhoden at the beginning of the 2010's had an even smaller waist and wider shoulders with better abs obliques and serratus, and he had even superior roundness.
And goddamn, Shawn Rhoden is only a recent one, you said in the past 30 years. Flex Wheeler and Shawn Ray competed during that time too, how you gonna disrespect these athletes like that lol.
Man..when Grimes finally puts everything together, he is going to be a force. Unfortunately (for us), I don't see him sticking around in the sport for very long. I don't think he will ever reach his full potential as a pro bodybuilder. He strikes me as being too health conscious to become a top-top pro. It feels weird saying that. But you know exactly what I mean. Brandao is the modern day Bob Paris, in my opinion. A beautiful physique, yet has lots of muscle. I hope that he starts getting more recognition.
@Arnold Stallone Regan is very conservative with everything, even with training, în order to avoid injuries. These things will held him back from reaching it's potential.
Yep, me too, secretly i hope he does stay away from becoming too unhealthily big, he'll earn more than enough money not winning O even though i think he has the potential. I prefer him as a god and not as a freak
I’m fan of Brandao, but he needs to improve the lower back, and maybe try to gain more size. He and Regan are still young and have a long road ahead. About Regan... a little bit more arms and chest, and the man would become dangerous.
Great analysis as always Tom. Though infrequent, I always look forward to your vids as your logical, consistent approach to evaluating bodybuilding physiques is something I find myself in agreement with the vast majority of the time. Keep up the great work! :-) P.s. look forward to getting your take on the Olympia competitors. While I think the head to head between Phil and Brandon will be very close, I'm not going to discount heavyweights like Hadi and Flex from potentially upsetting them both.
I dunno man. I guess I don't know shit about bodybuilding. The two most appealing physiques at 3 and 4? The two weirdest physiques at 1 and 2. I know its about muscle size too but I dunno 😕
Even the ones who know are saying the exact same thing. This comment gives an idea of what general public likes and wants in a bodybuilder's physique. IFBB should learn.
@@ArtKeshav While I agree with this to an extent, the details still should matter. If it was all about public opinion and how your average person wants to look, a lot of people would pick a winner before these guys even pose.
@@BLTspace You know this is the age of social media and pros get a major chunk of their audience/image/branding from social media and collaborations. From my observation, I can safely say that the bodybuilding has evolved in past 5-6 years due to this closeness that social media has created between bodybuilders/organisers and general public. It's well known fact that the Olympia is on a decline since the "bubble gut" thing started emerging from everywhere some years ago. IFBB tried to ignore this but they recieved major backlash. Even the GOAT Arnold used this "bubble gut" thing many times to mock winners of his show. IFBB made significant changes in their judging with giving a bit lesser priority to "mass over aesthetics", that's why they made Shawn & Brandon the Mr. O in consecutive years. Now in 2020, people want the same judging criteria but suddenly judges decided to go with mass and so called "details", need not to mention that it's ironic that winner of this European Pro didn't even has abs showing on stage. So my only question to IFBB is, why go wrong when you were already on a right track?
Look at the video man back poses and side even at the front, Lucas and james just wining by size and condition, Brendao legs from the back are looking small. If you will look just on the genetics then bodybuilding will became more shity sport then it is.
Same. The more i look at it the worst James gets, he might have packed on the most muscle and technically be the driest, but loses in every pose imo and has huge flaws, structure, lines, posing, nothing pops or creates deep cuts. I kinda have him in last even. From the front it's Rafael, from the back Regan, and from the side, also Regan. I don't really get it anymore. And if it isn't clear already, Regan has so much potential, it isn't even funny, i even disagree with the comment of his wide stance posing, he looks big as a house (even though he's probably second to last in mass) and steady while still being extremely aesthetic.
Agree 100%. I had Hollingshead, Brandao, Grimes then Osladil, how Osladil was placed in 2nd is beyond me. Even if you ignore structure & line issues, he wasn't razor sharp or anything, I don't get it.
@@nukeboy4939 Usually Osladil makes up for bad Structure & Symmetry with razor sharp conditioning but he didn't have that either. He has a good chunk of size, he looked nice & full but everything else as sub par, his body does not flow well, its not balanced honestly he was 3rd place at best.
great vid, Lukas is like branch warren where its not a pretty physique but the conditioning is what fuels their placements but that shouldnt be rewarded that much more over someone like Raphaels physique
Every time there's a Lucas Osladil in a Tomn8r video - I am like "Here we go, we know where this is going!! " 😁🤣 Tommy can't hold himself back no matter what!! 😜
If you want to check it out. James Hollingshead’s team put up a great TH-cam video of the show that can give you a better picture then the livestream. Helps put a bit more into perspective on the boys up there.
Would've had Regan in second for the front lat spread him and Osladil both have really round arms and shoulders which frame the lats nicely and makes the post look more filled out
Regan has the best back, his low lats insertion is world class. His weakness I think is his arms compared to the others it definitely need more size and definition. When brandao is the opposite, his weakness is his back but his arms so good
I think Regan is the man to keep an On. This may sound odd but I still think he has some time for more muscle maturity which I know is wild because he looks great. I think he’s got crazy potential in the future.
I dont like Lucas build but showing every pose I have him 2nd still. Brandao from the back is very weak, wasnt he gone for 2yrs to put on size??? Reagan held to much water. Even an off ozladil had much better condition then the majority of them. Honorable mention is the guy placing 5th, he had such smooth posing!
Brandão took a year to put on more size, but his back (which was always a weak point) didn’t grown enough. He has time tho, I believe he’s only 28 or 27. It would be good for him to take another year to grown his back.
I agree, Osladil has a very unaesthetic physique but he is very detailed even in this condition which is off from him and has a ton of muscle. He also had the second best back shots next to Grimes. Brandao needs a good 20lbs of muscle he looks incredible but he doesn't look like an open bber he looks classic kind of like Patrick Moore.
Hey Tom, don't take so long to upload, I'd love to hear your opinion on many more stuff than just a show here and there. Your videos are great even when I don't agree with what you say!
A little more mass in the chest, schoulders and arms for regan and sharper conditioning and he will do serious damage. His back and hammies are insane!
Damn rafaels lines are what bodybuilding should be all about. He has a flow to his physique rarely seen by todays bodybuilders. He almost looks like a bland between mens open and classic. If brandao manages to get a bit more thickness in his back without compromising his waist and lines he'll be very very dangerous
You should check out the footage uploaded by Redcon, it's 4K and you can clearly see that Reagan was 4th, he was too smooth from the front and his quads looked tiny next to the other 3 guys. About Lukas, I think it basically came down to out muscleing Rafa from the side and back. Quite on point judging tbh.
Check out the video that was just posted on James Hollingshead's channel. It was taken by his videographer and is in 4k. To my eye, he absolutely destroyed the other competitors in conditioning. Comparisons start at about 13:00 with top 4 around 16:00. I thought his tan looked too dark on the livestream, but that shows what judging off poor quality video does. He won this show hands down. Lukas actually had better conditioning than I've seen a lot of people suggest if you look at the high resolution video, especially through the lower body. I think he and Rafael were about equivalent on conditioning, and Rafael got outmassed in a lot of shots, especially from the back. Lukas doesn't have the prettiest physique, but to me this is hardly controversial having him in 2nd. Regan deservedly got 4th based on being the worst on conditioning and looking flat through the chest (check out the side chest). I think he's the best bodybuilder in this lineup (his back development especially), but his condition just wasn't there.
I Feel like Rafael's Classic lines hurt him in the open class... and honestly in comparison He seems a bit small. He def has quality muscles and very good lines, but needs more mass
For me, Osladil would place 4st behind Regan Grimes. This pregnant belly thing needs to be erradicated from this era, no matter how. As a brazilian fan, I must admit that Brandão is not ready yet for Mr O, but he is aiming to put size and volume slowly over time (he said this himself).
very interesting lineup with these guys all having different traits and taking poses away while totally failing some others. I think Reagan has a bright future as in many poses, he arguably had the most ideal structure or even the best proportions and mass, especially in the ever so important back poses. But his glutes and lower body cost him the victory. Brandao looks great from the front but as they turn around, he fades increasingly (compared to the others). He needs more size, but comparing him to Patrick "new blood" Moore, I feel Brandao has a brighter future in the sport. He has one of the most aesthetic physiques out there regardless of division. Ne needs to bring some more size and come in dry as fuck and then he'll br golden. (unfortunate remark: sadly, his fanbase seems to be extremely biased in most cases and they are freakin' everywhere...just like Ramy or Kai fans, they have lost their connection with reality. Rafael is truly some bodybuilder worthy of being a fan of, but they just need to chill. Success will come and not all defeats are robberies...) Osladil is a Branch-Cutler hybrid, combining some of the...khm...worse traits of those two (wide waist, bottom heavy, lack of flow in certain poses, but very muscular, dense). James looked the most conditioned but if he doesn't nail it or others catch up with him then the structural flows or inadequacies will lead to his fall (just look at his lat spread poses or the front double). Once again just like Weinberger said: conditioning, conditioning, conditioning. Guys in December really need to be aware of these decisions. The pose-for-pose most consistant AND generally most conditioned guy with least glaring flaws will win it seems. Gut: no win. Soggy glutes: no win. Not diced enough: no win.
If I am correctly informed, athletes in Spain are allowed to take off the mask during sports activities. For bodybuilding competitions this means that they do not have to wear the mask on stage, but have to put it on as soon as they leave the stage. Correct me if I am wrong.
Yeah man.. i think the angle also knocked Grimes a bit off.. i got impressed with his physique.. i agree he had some water, but like u said no weak shots.. that chest and back looked nasty.. legs were pretty good too, deep cuts and very long muscle fibers..
I always like the analysis on this channel. Even when I don't agree. I'm just another guy who thinks the aesthetic guys should always place highest lol. Shout out to Grimes, Brandao, and Hector. Also, Osladil is my least favorite “good” bodybuilder ever.
Rafael branda era o melhor mas por outro lado james estava muito grande e muito seco...isso que é foda desse esporte,é muito subjetivo as vezes a estética ganha e as vezes o volume ganha...na minha opinião a estética é superior.
@@zedtoplaner6335 cara vou te falar que geral esquece do Sérgio oliva e só lembra do Arnold, fico puto, pra mim a melhor genética, batendo com Coleman e Vichy Richards, foi a do oliva, é um shape que me espelho sem pontos francos, o que ele teria que chegar era mais seco, mas ele era um fudido trabalhava integralmente e ainda tinha que malhar por 3/horas, fora que a dieta dele era maos cortar coca cola , que ele era amante, meu maior ídolo do esporte, SERGIO OLIVA O MITO
Foda ne mano, mas faz sentido um pouco a arbitragem, Brandão apresentou o melhor condicionamento da apresentação, e melhor linha física, o quadríceps mais perfeito e ate nas pose o cara foi muito superior, o problema e que ele era o mais pequeno em ali quantidade de volume muscular, acho que foi isso que penou sua classificação no top 2
I've watched JH train and pose via social media for years and am a big fan. But I don't necessarily think his flaws are 100% just down to genetic structure. He has an abnormally strong bench press (550+) that has translated into world class chest development, yet his lats are almost non existent. I'm pretty sure this kind of strength imbalance has led to some issues and restrictions with shoulder/upper body mechanics. You can see his scapulae tend to want to wing off his ribcage. I've had this issue before, and it seriously can affect your ability to connect with your arms and lats, as well as making you look narrower - all the weak points on JH's physique
Thanks once again Tom for your crisp and thoughtful analysis. Any thoughts on the background/lighting in this show? I thought the lighting was OK enough, but the background was somewhat distracting in my opinion. Personally, I'd prefer a more neutral backdrop, and consistent, even, direct lighting. (However, I've seen the IFBB do much, much worse than this show!)
Obviously they like Lukas physique alot despite him getting so much hate. I do like his conditioning overall big quads, hamstrings, calves, back and decent arms. Not the prettiest physique but, I thought he deserved the 2nd place.
regan muscles always have that soft appearance, he needs to train with heavier weights to get grainy, if he does that he can really beat all theses guys
He's already training with heavy ass weights, they have nothing to do with the graininess though. He lacks the muscle maturity due to him being only 27, and not properly peaking for shows.
Rafael is also 27 years old (2 days younger than Grimes , in fact lol) and has more muscle maturity. I think that Regan is using a lot of insulin in the carb up in order to step on stage bigger, but he is lossing his separation and condition because of that. Rafael choosed a differenct approach and came smaller but much more dry and that was key for him winning the Olympia qualification. I think thar Regan should experiment with that.
@@laurikotivuori1585 he doesn't, he always do a lot of reps, too many machines and smith bar. just look at hunter labrada and compare his muscle quality to regan. yes, regan need to come drier too, but his muscles have that "soft" aspect
Both Rafael and Grimes were looking phenomenal, if Rafael put more 10 pounds of muscle and keep the line, he will do some real damage. More muscle on the back and density could help too.
Although James doesn’t have the most pleasing physique I agree with you, with his overall size and conditioning he deserved the win 👍 Just a shame about Ramy really as the usual 90% on Ramy would’ve been enough to win and get him to the Olympia
Now that I look at the video again man, the camera quality of this footage is embarassing for a 'sport' that's considered 100% visual. You wouldn't technically need 8k in soccer matches where you just need to be able to differentiate players and see the ball, but this is bodybuilding. The only thing we can judge is the bodies of these athletes, detail on their muscles. I can shoot 8K videos on my PHONE and stream it through a computer and IFBB can't shoot 1080p livestreams? You kidding me?
I had Regan in 1st even with his off conditioning. I just don't understand how Hollingstead took it. Yes, he outmuscled those guys, but he had little to no separation in the quads OR hamstrings. On top of that, his midsection is slightly bloated. Congrats to the guy anyway though.
I thought Brandao and Regan should have been 1 & 2. I don't understand what people see in Holingshead. He had no abs. He was smooth. I just don't get it. But, I suppose the judging in Bodybuilding is just as bad as the judging is in MMA and Boxing.
I had Raphael Brandoe winning first Regan second Lucas in third and James in forth and I'm giving him some credit in forth cuz he's lucky he even made top four I'm pretty shitty about the outcome on this one and it's been this way almost every show I just don't agree with these judges
Go watch the high resolution 4k video on James' channel, not these low res livestream comparisons. He won this show easily based on conditioning alone. He was next level compared to everyone else, granite hard and vascular. He didn't have the prettiest physique, but that's not how bodybuilding is judged. Regan's conditioning was bad, like week out bad, he got 4th because he's the best bodybuilder out of the bunch, but didn't come in sharp at all.
I just think if u put Regan in the middle he woulda have gotten better lighting, But overall I had Regan Grimes in 3rd. Horrable judging... Good job R. Grimes.
Another way to judge these physiques would be to investigate who sponsors them, and where the sponsors have their most important markets. This usually explains why Europeans are given top placings in Europe, and North Americans in North American shows. This is still entertaining to watch, but when it comes to placings, pro BB isn't much different from Wrestling.
Hollingshead so overrated. Yeh he has more mass in certain areas but overall he looks bloated and awkward. especially in the front double bi which is the money shot in bodybuilding. my eyes are drawn to brandoa.
People keep forgetting this is Men's Open, not classic physique. Rafael Brandao looks aesthetic as FUCK, all the right proportions and excellent conditioning, but Osladil just outsized him.
@@laurikotivuori1585 the virus has 0.2% mortality rate, the regulations are a hoax and you are brainwashed, weak minded sheep heading into tirany and defending it on the way
@@asypolt1296 you people have nothing to defend your stance, so you go ahead and make personal insults. And I'm the stupid one here, huh? The one with the critical thinking. Objecting to the herd. You people deserve this. Not the virus, because it has 0.2% fatality rate. I mean your overlords. They have trained you well
Well if there's any consolation for Regan he is at the top of the points list and pretty much a shoe-in to qualify on points.
He is for sure qualified. No pretty much about it. 👍
@@NomadicsSWFA I heard nsp make a comment about how Sergio Oliva could be doing Chicago and there is a scenario where An Nguyen Justin Rodriguez and Sergio all place high enough to get enough points to take the 3 spots if none of them win. There's also some other people towards the middle of the list but Regan would have to get very unlucky for them to place high enough without winning.
Although I could be totally wrong as I don't know what tier show it is and I haven't been able to find out lol
@@robitaillecopeland1996 I didn't think so? I thought he was a bit watery and missed the mark in that regard where Hollingshead and Brandao nailed it, just the opinion of a fan though, only asking for your opinion on it too 👍
Rafael Brandão 🇧🇷🏆
@@marksmyth8687 structure wise he is seriously fantastic imo. He dusted everyone from the back as well. His conditioning wasn't perfect I agree but it was good.
Brandao was the best from the front but he had no back thickness
This is what I'm saying lol, Lukas destroyed him from the back, hamstrings, calves.
Regan's back is a sight to be seen
I'm a Brazilian fan of Rafael’s physic, but we gotta admit that he needs a bit more size, looking forward to seeing the pictures of the show, then maybe we will understand why he took third.
The continuous chase for size is what’s ruined bodybuilding. He looks amazing, problem is the judging. He should have won easily.
@@jaskhangura3033 I love his physique, huge fan. I think you misunderstand what we're saying. It's not that he needs to "get bigger" it's that he needs more back and hamstring thickness for those areas to be completely balanced with the rest of him.
@@MikeKayK He needs to get bigger in fact and he will, but slowly enough to not mess his lines and aesthetics(that's what he said). Think about a Brandão with 10, 15 more pounds with the exactly lines that he has... Booom! a new Flex Wheeler
@@DiegoA.Freire nice explanation, tottaly agree
Nada...foi roubado essa porra
I love your breakdowns because they really make guys who are new in the sport like me able to really notice the slight differences in these physiques.
A grainy Grimes would have taken it for sure.
@@robitaillecopeland1996 Nah, his conditioning was way off. James Hollingshead posted a show day video on his channel in 4k, way more telling than these low res livestream shots that every keeps basing their reviews on. Regan was flat through the chest and poorly conditioned, especially through the lower body. He's lucky to have gotten 4th, that was a gift based on his baseline genetics being the best of the bunch. If you compare the way he looked compared to James leading up to the show, he looked on stage the way James did a week ago. Missed his peak by a mile.
Agreed on all counts. Regan was excellent from the back, solid everywhere else. He was a bit off, sure. I just don't understand why the ifbb prefers a Osladil to Regan here. It's they have an algorithm that takes input of "muscle mass" and "conditioning" and spits out a win without considering aesthetics, symmetry, flow, etc.
I was very happy for James, a much deserved win. He looks great in the hands on hip most muscular as you said, cannonball delts!!
Think they gave osladil the edge cuz hes more of a veteran, especially on the European scene. Simple as that I believe. Notging else makes sense except for the "raw mass" argument, which I think is a little less believable. My two cents. Anyways, awesome competition and showing from these guys!
They may do it to make the sport more appealing to more people. Most people don’t have fitness model genetics. Granted the same can be side for size and response genetics. I think with time Regan could be top 5 easily in the Olympia. Maybe even winning.
They do it because they get some private time with those magnificent glutes if you know what I mean
Regan Grimes has mr Olympia level genetics, he's still in his twenties he can get a bit bigger and more conditioned to be the Olympia champ
Yeah and if he works on posing
I personally like more Brandao's genetics than regan. Brandao has a simetry and flow in his shape that nobody else has.
I think he would been top 5 olympia if he stayed in oxygen gym but quality of life is important so glad he left if he didnt like it.
Reagan still needs to be more symmetrical. He has a huge back, but not so big of pecs, for example.
Regan has the potential to be mr Olympia one day, I've never his glutes conditioned though.
Brandão has the best aesthetics and line as never seen in the last 30 years, it is absolutely fantastic, this is the fulture of modern bodybuilding 👏👏👏
Shawn Rhoden at the beginning of the 2010's had an even smaller waist and wider shoulders with better abs obliques and serratus, and he had even superior roundness.
And goddamn, Shawn Rhoden is only a recent one, you said in the past 30 years. Flex Wheeler and Shawn Ray competed during that time too, how you gonna disrespect these athletes like that lol.
@@laurikotivuori1585 Because Brandao is more aesthetic, simple
@@DanSpartacus brandao isnt more aesthetic than shawn ray bro, no way...but hes got unbelievable potential....
You should use the scoring scard you suggested to judge the show.
It'd be so cool to see it in a real life example!
Maybe if there's a major upset or screwjob at the Olympia I will 👍🏻
Oh that's a great idea!!!
Man..when Grimes finally puts everything together, he is going to be a force. Unfortunately (for us), I don't see him sticking around in the sport for very long. I don't think he will ever reach his full potential as a pro bodybuilder. He strikes me as being too health conscious to become a top-top pro. It feels weird saying that. But you know exactly what I mean.
Brandao is the modern day Bob Paris, in my opinion. A beautiful physique, yet has lots of muscle. I hope that he starts getting more recognition.
@Arnold Stallone Regan is very conservative with everything, even with training, în order to avoid injuries. These things will held him back from reaching it's potential.
I know right?, I think he only gives 90%, maybe more. But if he committed 100% he would be winning shows Left and right
Regan is young so he has the time too early to say that bro
Yep, me too, secretly i hope he does stay away from becoming too unhealthily big, he'll earn more than enough money not winning O even though i think he has the potential. I prefer him as a god and not as a freak
Tom you really do a great job breaking down the details of these bodybuilders in each pose just like all your reviews. Good work
I’m fan of Brandao, but he needs to improve the lower back, and maybe try to gain more size. He and Regan are still young and have a long road ahead. About Regan... a little bit more arms and chest, and the man would become dangerous.
Yet again you have the best video of this contest on TH-cam, and your comments are spot on!
Best reviews on all of BB shows! Thank you!
Great analysis as always Tom. Though infrequent, I always look forward to your vids as your logical, consistent approach to evaluating bodybuilding physiques is something I find myself in agreement with the vast majority of the time. Keep up the great work! :-)
P.s. look forward to getting your take on the Olympia competitors. While I think the head to head between Phil and Brandon will be very close, I'm not going to discount heavyweights like Hadi and Flex from potentially upsetting them both.
Damn your good at bodybuilding reviews
@@robitaillecopeland1996 Yes
I dunno man. I guess I don't know shit about bodybuilding. The two most appealing physiques at 3 and 4? The two weirdest physiques at 1 and 2. I know its about muscle size too but I dunno 😕
Even the ones who know are saying the exact same thing. This comment gives an idea of what general public likes and wants in a bodybuilder's physique. IFBB should learn.
@@ArtKeshav While I agree with this to an extent, the details still should matter. If it was all about public opinion and how your average person wants to look, a lot of people would pick a winner before these guys even pose.
@@BLTspace You know this is the age of social media and pros get a major chunk of their audience/image/branding from social media and collaborations. From my observation, I can safely say that the bodybuilding has evolved in past 5-6 years due to this closeness that social media has created between bodybuilders/organisers and general public. It's well known fact that the Olympia is on a decline since the "bubble gut" thing started emerging from everywhere some years ago. IFBB tried to ignore this but they recieved major backlash. Even the GOAT Arnold used this "bubble gut" thing many times to mock winners of his show. IFBB made significant changes in their judging with giving a bit lesser priority to "mass over aesthetics", that's why they made Shawn & Brandon the Mr. O in consecutive years. Now in 2020, people want the same judging criteria but suddenly judges decided to go with mass and so called "details", need not to mention that it's ironic that winner of this European Pro didn't even has abs showing on stage. So my only question to IFBB is, why go wrong when you were already on a right track?
Look at the video man back poses and side even at the front, Lucas and james just wining by size and condition, Brendao legs from the back are looking small. If you will look just on the genetics then bodybuilding will became more shity sport then it is.
Same. The more i look at it the worst James gets, he might have packed on the most muscle and technically be the driest, but loses in every pose imo and has huge flaws, structure, lines, posing, nothing pops or creates deep cuts. I kinda have him in last even. From the front it's Rafael, from the back Regan, and from the side, also Regan. I don't really get it anymore. And if it isn't clear already, Regan has so much potential, it isn't even funny, i even disagree with the comment of his wide stance posing, he looks big as a house (even though he's probably second to last in mass) and steady while still being extremely aesthetic.
Osladil in second over Brandao and Grimes is a joke lmaooo.
Hollingshead deserved to win though
The only good part of James is volume and backs condition. Brandão in much better in all other points.
Agree 100%. I had Hollingshead, Brandao, Grimes then Osladil, how Osladil was placed in 2nd is beyond me. Even if you ignore structure & line issues, he wasn't razor sharp or anything, I don't get it.
Osladil was better overall and deserved 2nd despite not having the prettiest physique. I can see what the judges were seeing.
@@nukeboy4939 Usually Osladil makes up for bad Structure & Symmetry with razor sharp conditioning but he didn't have that either. He has a good chunk of size, he looked nice & full but everything else as sub par, his body does not flow well, its not balanced honestly he was 3rd place at best.
great vid, Lukas is like branch warren where its not a pretty physique but the conditioning is what fuels their placements but that shouldnt be rewarded that much more over someone like Raphaels physique
At least branch had better abs
Usually thats true. But this show was not the case, his condiotining was bad
@@leom4x The footage isn't clear enough to judge conditioning
@@leom4x His conditioning was one of the best in the show.
Awesome video Tom, always love your post show analysis
Every time there's a Lucas Osladil in a Tomn8r video - I am like "Here we go, we know where this is going!! " 😁🤣 Tommy can't hold himself back no matter what!! 😜
Love that south park reference 😂 so true aswell lol make sure you got your chin diaper hahah
If you want to check it out. James Hollingshead’s team put up a great TH-cam video of the show that can give you a better picture then the livestream. Helps put a bit more into perspective on the boys up there.
Another excellent recap Tom, hope all is well!
Ah yes finally, new video from our boy Tomn8er
Would've had Regan in second for the front lat spread him and Osladil both have really round arms and shoulders which frame the lats nicely and makes the post look more filled out
Brandao is one of my faves on the circuit now. He’s still not quite there, but he has been packing on the mass and maintaining his lines.
Agree completely with you. First place fair, second should have been Rafael or Reagan.
WOW!!! AWESOME Review!!!
Regan has the best back, his low lats insertion is world class. His weakness I think is his arms compared to the others it definitely need more size and definition. When brandao is the opposite, his weakness is his back but his arms so good
I can't see very well from the footage but it seems like Brandao still has an atrophied right arm, does anyone know what caused it?
amazing review. I agree with almost everything, and you are also very entertaining. keep up this very good job. subscribed
i always love your break downs.
Very nice review. I agree with every point you mentioned. Regan should've taken the 3rh place and Brandão 2nd.
I think Regan is the man to keep an On. This may sound odd but I still think he has some time for more muscle maturity which I know is wild because he looks great. I think he’s got crazy potential in the future.
I dont like Lucas build but showing every pose I have him 2nd still.
Brandao from the back is very weak, wasnt he gone for 2yrs to put on size???
Reagan held to much water.
Even an off ozladil had much better condition then the majority of them.
Honorable mention is the guy placing 5th, he had such smooth posing!
Brandão took a year to put on more size, but his back (which was always a weak point) didn’t grown enough. He has time tho, I believe he’s only 28 or 27. It would be good for him to take another year to grown his back.
I agree, Osladil has a very unaesthetic physique but he is very detailed even in this condition which is off from him and has a ton of muscle. He also had the second best back shots next to Grimes. Brandao needs a good 20lbs of muscle he looks incredible but he doesn't look like an open bber he looks classic kind of like Patrick Moore.
Hey Tom, don't take so long to upload, I'd love to hear your opinion on many more stuff than just a show here and there. Your videos are great even when I don't agree with what you say!
A little more mass in the chest, schoulders and arms for regan and sharper conditioning and he will do serious damage.
His back and hammies are insane!
Damn rafaels lines are what bodybuilding should be all about. He has a flow to his physique rarely seen by todays bodybuilders. He almost looks like a bland between mens open and classic.
If brandao manages to get a bit more thickness in his back without compromising his waist and lines he'll be very very dangerous
You should check out the footage uploaded by Redcon, it's 4K and you can clearly see that Reagan was 4th, he was too smooth from the front and his quads looked tiny next to the other 3 guys. About Lukas, I think it basically came down to out muscleing Rafa from the side and back. Quite on point judging tbh.
lukas wasnt even playing the same sport as the others and lets not forget that samson was left out of the top 4 in favor of lukas
Check out the video that was just posted on James Hollingshead's channel. It was taken by his videographer and is in 4k. To my eye, he absolutely destroyed the other competitors in conditioning. Comparisons start at about 13:00 with top 4 around 16:00. I thought his tan looked too dark on the livestream, but that shows what judging off poor quality video does. He won this show hands down.
Lukas actually had better conditioning than I've seen a lot of people suggest if you look at the high resolution video, especially through the lower body. I think he and Rafael were about equivalent on conditioning, and Rafael got outmassed in a lot of shots, especially from the back. Lukas doesn't have the prettiest physique, but to me this is hardly controversial having him in 2nd. Regan deservedly got 4th based on being the worst on conditioning and looking flat through the chest (check out the side chest). I think he's the best bodybuilder in this lineup (his back development especially), but his condition just wasn't there.
I Feel like Rafael's Classic lines hurt him in the open class... and honestly in comparison He seems a bit small. He def has quality muscles and very good lines, but needs more mass
For me, Osladil would place 4st behind Regan Grimes. This pregnant belly thing needs to be erradicated from this era, no matter how. As a brazilian fan, I must admit that Brandão is not ready yet for Mr O, but he is aiming to put size and volume slowly over time (he said this himself).
Poor lighting again. Thanks Tom!
I was waiting for this, than you tom
After watching James TH-cam video of the comparisons in 1080, he def won hands down
very interesting lineup with these guys all having different traits and taking poses away while totally failing some others.
I think Reagan has a bright future as in many poses, he arguably had the most ideal structure or even the best proportions and mass, especially in the ever so important back poses. But his glutes and lower body cost him the victory.
Brandao looks great from the front but as they turn around, he fades increasingly (compared to the others). He needs more size, but comparing him to Patrick "new blood" Moore, I feel Brandao has a brighter future in the sport. He has one of the most aesthetic physiques out there regardless of division. Ne needs to bring some more size and come in dry as fuck and then he'll br golden. (unfortunate remark: sadly, his fanbase seems to be extremely biased in most cases and they are freakin' everywhere...just like Ramy or Kai fans, they have lost their connection with reality. Rafael is truly some bodybuilder worthy of being a fan of, but they just need to chill. Success will come and not all defeats are robberies...)
Osladil is a Branch-Cutler hybrid, combining some of the...khm...worse traits of those two (wide waist, bottom heavy, lack of flow in certain poses, but very muscular, dense).
James looked the most conditioned but if he doesn't nail it or others catch up with him then the structural flows or inadequacies will lead to his fall (just look at his lat spread poses or the front double).
Once again just like Weinberger said: conditioning, conditioning, conditioning. Guys in December really need to be aware of these decisions. The pose-for-pose most consistant AND generally most conditioned guy with least glaring flaws will win it seems. Gut: no win. Soggy glutes: no win. Not diced enough: no win.
Man... Excelent review!
If I am correctly informed, athletes in Spain are allowed to take off the mask during sports activities. For bodybuilding competitions this means that they do not have to wear the mask on stage, but have to put it on as soon as they leave the stage. Correct me if I am wrong.
Yeah man.. i think the angle also knocked Grimes a bit off.. i got impressed with his physique.. i agree he had some water, but like u said no weak shots.. that chest and back looked nasty.. legs were pretty good too, deep cuts and very long muscle fibers..
I always like the analysis on this channel. Even when I don't agree. I'm just another guy who thinks the aesthetic guys should always place highest lol. Shout out to Grimes, Brandao, and Hector.
Also, Osladil is my least favorite “good” bodybuilder ever.
Rafael branda era o melhor mas por outro lado james estava muito grande e muito seco...isso que é foda desse esporte,é muito subjetivo as vezes a estética ganha e as vezes o volume ganha...na minha opinião a estética é superior.
@@cashyt_01 eu acho a estética muito mais foda o shape do Sérgio oliva pra mim foi o melhor de todos os tempos.
@@cashyt_01 porra volume nível coleman tbm não né, ai MGM chega mas superior a o desses caras sim
@@zedtoplaner6335 cara vou te falar que geral esquece do Sérgio oliva e só lembra do Arnold, fico puto, pra mim a melhor genética, batendo com Coleman e Vichy Richards, foi a do oliva, é um shape que me espelho sem pontos francos, o que ele teria que chegar era mais seco, mas ele era um fudido trabalhava integralmente e ainda tinha que malhar por 3/horas, fora que a dieta dele era maos cortar coca cola , que ele era amante, meu maior ídolo do esporte, SERGIO OLIVA O MITO
Foda ne mano, mas faz sentido um pouco a arbitragem, Brandão apresentou o melhor condicionamento da apresentação, e melhor linha física, o quadríceps mais perfeito e ate nas pose o cara foi muito superior, o problema e que ele era o mais pequeno em ali quantidade de volume muscular, acho que foi isso que penou sua classificação no top 2
I've watched JH train and pose via social media for years and am a big fan. But I don't necessarily think his flaws are 100% just down to genetic structure. He has an abnormally strong bench press (550+) that has translated into world class chest development, yet his lats are almost non existent. I'm pretty sure this kind of strength imbalance has led to some issues and restrictions with shoulder/upper body mechanics. You can see his scapulae tend to want to wing off his ribcage. I've had this issue before, and it seriously can affect your ability to connect with your arms and lats, as well as making you look narrower - all the weak points on JH's physique
Interesting idea. Yeah strength imbalances can lead to muscle imbalances, that's only logical. Had no idea he was that strong on the bench!
Thanks once again Tom for your crisp and thoughtful analysis. Any thoughts on the background/lighting in this show? I thought the lighting was OK enough, but the background was somewhat distracting in my opinion. Personally, I'd prefer a more neutral backdrop, and consistent, even, direct lighting. (However, I've seen the IFBB do much, much worse than this show!)
Regans back reminds me a bit of Coleman
😂😂😂😂
Thanks again for a good review 🙌
💯 agree, they gave Lukas 2nd based on size only.
Obviously they like Lukas physique alot despite him getting so much hate. I do like his conditioning overall big quads, hamstrings, calves, back and decent arms. Not the prettiest physique but, I thought he deserved the 2nd place.
regan muscles always have that soft appearance, he needs to train with heavier weights to get grainy, if he does that he can really beat all theses guys
He's already training with heavy ass weights, they have nothing to do with the graininess though. He lacks the muscle maturity due to him being only 27, and not properly peaking for shows.
Rafael is also 27 years old (2 days younger than Grimes , in fact lol) and has more muscle maturity. I think that Regan is using a lot of insulin in the carb up in order to step on stage bigger, but he is lossing his separation and condition because of that. Rafael choosed a differenct approach and came smaller but much more dry and that was key for him winning the Olympia qualification. I think thar Regan should experiment with that.
@@laurikotivuori1585 he doesn't, he always do a lot of reps, too many machines and smith bar. just look at hunter labrada and compare his muscle quality to regan. yes, regan need to come drier too, but his muscles have that "soft" aspect
@@laurikotivuori1585 i honestly never saw regan doing a heavy deadlift
Both Rafael and Grimes were looking phenomenal, if Rafael put more 10 pounds of muscle and keep the line, he will do some real damage. More muscle on the back and density could help too.
Great analysis
Yeaaaah, this is the only reason i get up in the morning xd
I think judges are starting to appreciate freakin aesthetics
If Rafael puts on 10 lbs of muscle he'll do some serious damage! Dudes aesthetic as hell!
Although James doesn’t have the most pleasing physique I agree with you, with his overall size and conditioning he deserved the win 👍
Just a shame about Ramy really as the usual 90% on Ramy would’ve been enough to win and get him to the Olympia
Now that I look at the video again man, the camera quality of this footage is embarassing for a 'sport' that's considered 100% visual. You wouldn't technically need 8k in soccer matches where you just need to be able to differentiate players and see the ball, but this is bodybuilding. The only thing we can judge is the bodies of these athletes, detail on their muscles. I can shoot 8K videos on my PHONE and stream it through a computer and IFBB can't shoot 1080p livestreams? You kidding me?
Brandão has the best front, Regan the best back, James the best average overall and Osladil ... who ?
rafael brandão.
this is brasil.
good video.
I had Regan in 1st even with his off conditioning. I just don't understand how Hollingstead took it. Yes, he outmuscled those guys, but he had little to no separation in the quads OR hamstrings. On top of that, his midsection is slightly bloated. Congrats to the guy anyway though.
Did blessing awodibu compete???
I thought Brandao and Regan should have been 1 & 2. I don't understand what people see in Holingshead. He had no abs. He was smooth. I just don't get it. But, I suppose the judging in Bodybuilding is just as bad as the judging is in MMA and Boxing.
What is going on with the judges this year. It seems like every show there is huge controversy.
Is this osladils Last showing?
Your right Tom. He stands too wide on all his poses, how are they not told this.
I had Raphael Brandoe winning first Regan second Lucas in third and James in forth and I'm giving him some credit in forth cuz he's lucky he even made top four I'm pretty shitty about the outcome on this one and it's been this way almost every show I just don't agree with these judges
Regan won almost every pose imo
I like samsons physique at least from the front I didn’t see pics from the back
Regan deserves to b in top 3
We need HD Pictures. You can barley judge based in this crap
Check out James TH-cam video of him winning, ull see the rounds in 1080
Dude, either raphael or reagan should have won this show, imo james looked alwful
Go watch the high resolution 4k video on James' channel, not these low res livestream comparisons. He won this show easily based on conditioning alone. He was next level compared to everyone else, granite hard and vascular. He didn't have the prettiest physique, but that's not how bodybuilding is judged.
Regan's conditioning was bad, like week out bad, he got 4th because he's the best bodybuilder out of the bunch, but didn't come in sharp at all.
Regan Back is top3 Olympia material
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I just think if u put Regan in the middle he woulda have gotten better lighting, But overall I had Regan Grimes in 3rd. Horrable judging... Good job R. Grimes.
To me Rafael looked the best, I love his physique
Another way to judge these physiques would be to investigate who sponsors them, and where the sponsors have their most important markets. This usually explains why Europeans are given top placings in Europe, and North Americans in North American shows. This is still entertaining to watch, but when it comes to placings, pro BB isn't much different from Wrestling.
Great video as always.
Also, my comments are blocked on NSP for saying I like your videos better. Cool!
Hah! He hates me for some reason. Nick blocked me on his IG even though I never so much as messaged him or commented on a single post he made 🤨
Regan should jump in the Chicago pro!
Unfortunately he won't be. He said he can't go directly from Europe to the US but needs to quarantine in Canada first, so there won't be enough time.
@@Tomn8er lame
how did raphael not win this show
Hollingshead so overrated. Yeh he has more mass in certain areas but overall he looks bloated and awkward. especially in the front double bi which is the money shot in bodybuilding. my eyes are drawn to brandoa.
He was the most conditioned on stage, that’s why he won. Hardly overrated
@Nicholas Holland With not much separation. Stomach washed out.
Yeah he definitely doesnt have a pretty physique but you have to respect his amazing conditioning....
Nice, deep show
Brandao looks great but I think he needs some serious deadlift sessions.
Why you don't sound like Borat anymore?
I like Hollingshead as a person. But I wouldn't pick him as the #1
I thought the same with placings.
People keep forgetting this is Men's Open, not classic physique. Rafael Brandao looks aesthetic as FUCK, all the right proportions and excellent conditioning, but Osladil just outsized him.
Who is who
Tomn8er: "these masks look stupid as hell"
Me: *goes off full screen mode, clicks "like"*
Nah he said that cause they wear them wrong. You just dislike masks due to an extra chromosome
@@laurikotivuori1585 the virus has 0.2% mortality rate, the regulations are a hoax and you are brainwashed, weak minded sheep heading into tirany and defending it on the way
@@rokpavlinjek thank you for confirming the chromosome theory
@@asypolt1296 you people have nothing to defend your stance, so you go ahead and make personal insults. And I'm the stupid one here, huh? The one with the critical thinking. Objecting to the herd. You people deserve this. Not the virus, because it has 0.2% fatality rate. I mean your overlords. They have trained you well
@@rokpavlinjek The wolf doesn't bother itself with the opinions of the sheep.
Grimes a SOLID 2ND
Regan with good conditioning is mr olympia
Not only conditioning, but the arms and chest also need improvement. The back and legs are perfect.