@@EletroRonelEletroRonel it WILL get worse thats the worst part, people keep giving them money they will never remove artillery and fix the game its pure pay to win
The thing people need to understand is 1) it's generally easier to win close range fights when you have more tanks, because you can easily overwhelm the enemy and 2) sniping is only good if the enemy actually pushes you. There are of course exceptions to this and good players know the difference. Like going to the brawl at the blimp on redshire is garbage because if you want to push, you have to go through a crossfire that's easily covered by snipers. What TD mains often do though is just go to the designated cookie cutter spots provided by wargaming. Sometimes they work out and sometimes they don't. They have no way to know the difference and just sit there because sometimes they do have good games. What good players do is take their non-heavies to meta spots when they know it's possible to win it because more tanks gives a big advantage, like the corner on El Halluf. But they don't go to the brawls like on Redshire because they know it's easily defendable. In the El Halluf game where it started going his way, if his team had not taken the dip in the corner, he wouldn't have been able to do much, and probably would have retreated back to base to shoot the ramp. But since his team went in, it gave him a chance to be a second line tank and get good damage. You don't need armor in these situations, you just need teammates who take point and you are right there ready to help them when the enemy peeks. Average players don't understand finding this balance but it's what makes good players stand out and really helps them push the damage.
This lesson carries over to all tonks. My favorite 'cross-class' times have been when I play a "fat scout", scouting with a heavy. Hard to get those times where it is both needed, and viable, but I love it.
the start of this video is the perfect showcase of grille experience. a lot of dummies look at the stats and say amazing accuracy, amazing aim time. this thing has horrible moving/turning dispersion and although the aim circle is one of the smallest in the game, it is not sufficient when you are handling enemy weakspots at 400 meters plus. WG changed the distribution of shots within the aim circle many patches ago, and grille 15 is one of those tank that suffer the most, because the change made the shell go to the outter part of the circle more often, instead of the center of circle. for a paper tank with no camo and BAD PENETRATION like grille, taking a shot is always risky because very likely you will bounce or miss completely, and then get spotted and die. one of the game i had earlier i fully aimed at the lower plate of the 60tp at 200-250 meters, bounced, i tried again, bounced again, and the 60tp wasn't even moving. with the mod i saw after game that the first shot went high just above the lower plate and hit the upper plate resulted in auto bounce. the second shot went low in to the lower plate and went under the tank, resulted in another auto bounce. normally these unfortunate shot is just RNG and is part of the game. but the problem with the grille is you have no armor, you are essentially driving a tier 5 tank in tier 10 game with no camo. so everytime you risk you feel it, you know you can easily have -600 hp and a kocked out gun and gunner everytime you try to take a shot. i currently do okay in this thing, but it requires a lot of effort and luck, you can't spot for yourself, your turret is not fully rotatable and is at the back. and everyone intitution swtich to HE to knock your gun out every time they shoot. this thing needs a buff. i can spend half the effort but do 3 times as good in the JPE100, E3, Ho-Ri or other TD simply because they mostly have a good combination of three of these: mobility+camo+armor+very good gun. and grille only have one, which is mobility. gun is poor with paper good accuracy but horrible AP and HEAT pen. obj268/5 is considered a bad tank by many people. but it has a turret, good mobility, some armor, has 30mm more AP pen and 60mm more HEAT pen, has DOUBLE the base camo of grille, has 200 more HITPOINST which is more than 10%. and remember, obj 268/5 is considered a ''BAD'' tank. the only down side for the obj in this comparision is the 30meters less view range. and i can guarentee you, you dont care about accuracy (0.35 is not even bad, its good) when you have 395mm HEAT pen which goes through the maus upper plate like not knife through butter (95% chance of penetration). good luck aiming with grilles ''superior'' accuracy.
The playing aggressive section opened my eyes. I was grinding with wz-111-1 ft after watching the video and took unusual positions every game. Got 2-5k damage every game. Ended with a 4.5 kd session and a new kill record of 8!
Grille is like toxic girlfriend whom you love and can't stay away from (long range) but can't stay too close (short range) until she is ready for midway mutual understanding (medium range)
@iyouxin i can understand why you sometimes feels like Mozart.. just remember that not everyone playing the Piano has the skills of Mozart.. and not all players ( my self included ) has the ability to remember reload times and to " Read " the map as fast as you do... But i learn alot from your videos,so thx mate.
😂😂😂 That's exactly how it was with me too. When the WT E100 was taken away from me and the Grille came in its place... I hated it so much. and now I love the Grille. One of the best TD in game
One major problem with the Grille is that it does NOT AT ALL follow the characteristics and trademarks of that particular TD line. This means that all the tricks of the trade and playstyles that you might have picked up while playing Nashorn (good gun, bad speed, bad stealth), Emil (good gun, bad speed, bad stealth), Rheinmetall (good gun, bad speed, good camo, fully rotatable turret) or WT auf Pz IV (good gun, bad speed, good camo, fully rotatable turret) are immediately invalidated once you reach T10. As such you will need to learn to play this specific tank anew which can be very very painful, especially considering all inherent limitations that the vehicle has, like bad dispersion within the aiming circle or the only semi-rotatable turret which can make peaking obstacles very difficult. The armored German TD line is much much more consistent, i.e. when you know how to Ferdinand you basically know how to JgPz. E100.
Oh, I remember when I met a Grille on that snowy map I dont remember the name of, he was at full HP and he saw me as an easy target on my T95 with half hp, then I loaded a HE shell and pum, he was -1k HP in a second and running for his life. But I like this gameplay way more, not depending of the average useless LT "Sorry I dont have enough viewrange on this thing" player is a very big plus
Its really hard to want to play this game when everything you send bounces or doesn't penatrate, and it also hurts how hard it is to earn currency..i still love this game, but if you're not dropping a little money here and there, then it really feels like you cant make progress..but my favorite tip was to find your favorite tank that isn't a high teir(8 and above, maybe seven if you still struggling there
@@whitedeath47 i agree, but Sometimes, Just Sometimes, you can Play the Tier 9 aggressive, Just Hope you Fight against people who cant Pen you and that dont fire Heat. And the 308 Standart Pen is ofc very nice. But still by far Not as good as the t10 ofc.
Your problem is that Mailand-Commander and Grille dont match together very well. Mailand sold this thing minimum 3 times because the gun is inaccurate.
Liked the different way of thinking. But beware of your allies line of fire, you blocked the opportunity of the TS-54 to shoot the fleeing enemy at 12:00, by running in front instead of waiting a few seconds.
i love you brother and good seeing you safe and well! but why you play this still is bey... oh yeah, you arent a player like me lmao take care brother!
The most important thing when you are playing like that is to be where the majority of your allies are so you can support them. They tank (absorb damage) for you and you do most of the damage 🙄 Somehow like the rogue or the warlock does with the tank on a boss in WoW 😉 Boooooi 😍
What pisses me off is that mediums will sit the whole match at the back of a map trying to snipe just to get that one shot or kill just to die in a few seconds when the enemy team rush them. All because they barely used their gun most of the match at the start. What is worse is that people like this go in a game...sit the whole game and do nothing and find it fun ...
Come on, be honest Iyouxin. Wargaming has removed so many sniping positions in every map, that you are better of playing a good premium tank like the Obj. 752 or the IS-3A. Just look at Mannerheim Line, the right flank trees on the upper right base camp, which was a great defensive place, got removed. Every map has been ruined for snippers.
iyouxin, you have it partially wrong here. yes, sniping is certainly a problem. Combining HP, combining DPM, combining focus fire are certainly very big things that arent helped when a triangle is sitting back sniping. Alot of bad players need to learn this point, at least the ones genuine in wanting to improve. the problem with what you have to say, is team arguments and screaming and yelling people to people over not spotting. '''Noob light tank go spot''' And while yes, someone's job is not to spot for you, the underlying problem is not that this asshat is not spotting for you, it is that he is your teams light tank and not spotting for the team. That is the role. And these people arent like haglar, where when they are not spotting they do 4k dmg instead in the light. lts not that, they arent even doing 1k. Dont play light tank if you dont want to spot, better yet dont know how to spot. You handicap the team.
Приветик, мне нравятся твои видео, я из России, игра до сих живет, ты снимаешь уникальный контент с уникальными игроками(4 me), спасибо за контент, ждем на ру кластере для теста)
It’s always funny when a great player evaluates how the average player should play. It doesn’t translate to success for the average. You’ve found a way to play WoT 8 hours a day and make a living from it. Most WoT players are worker bees or students and are limited in the amount they can play. You’re entertaining at times but most of your lessons can’t be applied by the average player.
how does working or studying in any way change how you play the game?? I'm a student and work extra on the weekends but still learn a lot from videos like these.
@@edvinstromberg9107 what he means is intuition and situational awareness mainly comes from experience. And someone who can play 8hrs+ a day has generally speaking more experience and can assess a situation better than someone who can only play in their spare time (few hrs a day).
@bilbyy if experience is the holy grail for more intuition and situational awareness, why is it then that I am a unicum at 18k games but there are thousands of players with wayyy more battles that are still tomatoes. While experience might help, by watching good players and actively trying to learn you'll get good at the game way faster.
lol play agressive. Seems you are so used to support from team that you can stay in front with any tank. To bad free to play players do not have this option. As most games are 15 to zero MM and match over in 3 min. Free to play players are either done in the front before they even get there in slow tanks, or game is won. Dont realy matter for youtubers and paying whales as theyll do 6 k dmg avg in those slow tanks every round;) Would be funn if you ever, even slightly took a look at the MM at wg. Is it not even slightly suspicuos that it is secret and hidden on server side? WG even admit they use it for new players. So why wold they not for Whales and youtubers? just asking ;)
2:27 It's not that you can't snipe with grille 15, WG wants you pay some extra tax to make sure your tank run smoothly.
It saddens me that the downward monetasation spiral this game is having will probably only getting worse
@@EletroRonelEletroRonel it WILL get worse thats the worst part, people keep giving them money they will never remove artillery and fix the game its pure pay to win
The intro pissed me off just by watching it. After I get even a single game like that I instantly Alt f4 afterwards.
thats so true i cant
So, in essence:
Play like a support medium
Peek when you know the trade is worth
Spend the time reloading on strategizing
basically same playstyle as if you play with big gun on the WT Auf Pz 4
except good luck peeking without a turret, most tank destroyers dont have turrets which makes peeking very hard to do
The thing people need to understand is 1) it's generally easier to win close range fights when you have more tanks, because you can easily overwhelm the enemy and 2) sniping is only good if the enemy actually pushes you. There are of course exceptions to this and good players know the difference. Like going to the brawl at the blimp on redshire is garbage because if you want to push, you have to go through a crossfire that's easily covered by snipers.
What TD mains often do though is just go to the designated cookie cutter spots provided by wargaming. Sometimes they work out and sometimes they don't. They have no way to know the difference and just sit there because sometimes they do have good games. What good players do is take their non-heavies to meta spots when they know it's possible to win it because more tanks gives a big advantage, like the corner on El Halluf. But they don't go to the brawls like on Redshire because they know it's easily defendable.
In the El Halluf game where it started going his way, if his team had not taken the dip in the corner, he wouldn't have been able to do much, and probably would have retreated back to base to shoot the ramp. But since his team went in, it gave him a chance to be a second line tank and get good damage. You don't need armor in these situations, you just need teammates who take point and you are right there ready to help them when the enemy peeks. Average players don't understand finding this balance but it's what makes good players stand out and really helps them push the damage.
Yooo TRUvoodoo ! I miss your videos.. 😢 Nice to read from you. You definitely get a point here with your analysis
This lesson carries over to all tonks. My favorite 'cross-class' times have been when I play a "fat scout", scouting with a heavy. Hard to get those times where it is both needed, and viable, but I love it.
the start of this video is the perfect showcase of grille experience. a lot of dummies look at the stats and say amazing accuracy, amazing aim time. this thing has horrible moving/turning dispersion and although the aim circle is one of the smallest in the game, it is not sufficient when you are handling enemy weakspots at 400 meters plus. WG changed the distribution of shots within the aim circle many patches ago, and grille 15 is one of those tank that suffer the most, because the change made the shell go to the outter part of the circle more often, instead of the center of circle. for a paper tank with no camo and BAD PENETRATION like grille, taking a shot is always risky because very likely you will bounce or miss completely, and then get spotted and die.
one of the game i had earlier i fully aimed at the lower plate of the 60tp at 200-250 meters, bounced, i tried again, bounced again, and the 60tp wasn't even moving. with the mod i saw after game that the first shot went high just above the lower plate and hit the upper plate resulted in auto bounce. the second shot went low in to the lower plate and went under the tank, resulted in another auto bounce. normally these unfortunate shot is just RNG and is part of the game. but the problem with the grille is you have no armor, you are essentially driving a tier 5 tank in tier 10 game with no camo. so everytime you risk you feel it, you know you can easily have -600 hp and a kocked out gun and gunner everytime you try to take a shot.
i currently do okay in this thing, but it requires a lot of effort and luck, you can't spot for yourself, your turret is not fully rotatable and is at the back. and everyone intitution swtich to HE to knock your gun out every time they shoot. this thing needs a buff. i can spend half the effort but do 3 times as good in the JPE100, E3, Ho-Ri or other TD simply because they mostly have a good combination of three of these: mobility+camo+armor+very good gun. and grille only have one, which is mobility. gun is poor with paper good accuracy but horrible AP and HEAT pen.
obj268/5 is considered a bad tank by many people. but it has a turret, good mobility, some armor, has 30mm more AP pen and 60mm more HEAT pen, has DOUBLE the base camo of grille, has 200 more HITPOINST which is more than 10%. and remember, obj 268/5 is considered a ''BAD'' tank. the only down side for the obj in this comparision is the 30meters less view range. and i can guarentee you, you dont care about accuracy (0.35 is not even bad, its good) when you have 395mm HEAT pen which goes through the maus upper plate like not knife through butter (95% chance of penetration). good luck aiming with grilles ''superior'' accuracy.
And that's how books are written lol 🤣 thanks for sharing
@@iyouxin i have a lot of opinions and youtube is not the best place to start a discussion 💀
Yeah, I agree! Comments are quickly lost
The playing aggressive section opened my eyes. I was grinding with wz-111-1 ft after watching the video and took unusual positions every game. Got 2-5k damage every game. Ended with a 4.5 kd session and a new kill record of 8!
Wow 😮
the intro is nuts ... nice edits boss
I noticed something in at least the first couple of games that I see A LOT when I play my grill15, a TON of low rolls
bruh 1 minute ago this guy beat me
Grille is like toxic girlfriend whom you love and can't stay away from (long range) but can't stay too close (short range) until she is ready for midway mutual understanding (medium range)
Your intro was legendary 🫡
Your Face at 1:08 is excatly the Face i do when i play Grille... 😵💫
it did hit, just bounced.
Man that is cosplay of me! how did you know both gameplay and reactions to shots.... brutal
Iyouxin "new to the game" is so fun to watch, especially with the gunmark mod showing 99,66% on third mark of excellence
@iyouxin i can understand why you sometimes feels like Mozart.. just remember that not everyone playing the Piano has the skills of Mozart.. and not all players ( my self included ) has the ability to remember reload times and to " Read " the map as fast as you do... But i learn alot from your videos,so thx mate.
😂😂😂 That's exactly how it was with me too. When the WT E100 was taken away from me and the Grille came in its place... I hated it so much. and now I love the Grille. One of the best TD in game
i had the same problem with my grille. Then i sold it for 1 year and bought it back. Still have that problem.... it wont hit anything
The Grille15 with the accuracy of the Leopard1 would be a dream...
In consoles, the grille has a fully rotating turret and enhanced camouflage now. Makes it less of a pain in the A to play it
One major problem with the Grille is that it does NOT AT ALL follow the characteristics and trademarks of that particular TD line. This means that all the tricks of the trade and playstyles that you might have picked up while playing Nashorn (good gun, bad speed, bad stealth), Emil (good gun, bad speed, bad stealth), Rheinmetall (good gun, bad speed, good camo, fully rotatable turret) or WT auf Pz IV (good gun, bad speed, good camo, fully rotatable turret) are immediately invalidated once you reach T10. As such you will need to learn to play this specific tank anew which can be very very painful, especially considering all inherent limitations that the vehicle has, like bad dispersion within the aiming circle or the only semi-rotatable turret which can make peaking obstacles very difficult. The armored German TD line is much much more consistent, i.e. when you know how to Ferdinand you basically know how to JgPz. E100.
I just woke up to see this posted 14 seconds ago lol😊
Thanks for sharing the thought process. Very helpful for a tomato
thanks iyouxin now mr 58 years old tomato will rush me in the first minute!
The grill compilation hurt my eyes, but for anyone who have play this tank this is exactly how bad its dispersion is in the game 😂
I was dead the first 3 minutes of the video xD My life in WOT in a nutshell!
Oh, I remember when I met a Grille on that snowy map I dont remember the name of, he was at full HP and he saw me as an easy target on my T95 with half hp, then I loaded a HE shell and pum, he was -1k HP in a second and running for his life.
But I like this gameplay way more, not depending of the average useless LT "Sorry I dont have enough viewrange on this thing" player is a very big plus
I understand this feeling, that's why , I stopped playing T-103 camp behind back and snipe, instead I go ahead and play like a heavy tank 😂
Its really hard to want to play this game when everything you send bounces or doesn't penatrate, and it also hurts how hard it is to earn currency..i still love this game, but if you're not dropping a little money here and there, then it really feels like you cant make progress..but my favorite tip was to find your favorite tank that isn't a high teir(8 and above, maybe seven if you still struggling there
"Them?" min 7:40 - from The Chronicles of Riddick (2004)
Best Sniper Tank Destroyer, huh?
I'm thinking of another Tank that is even more accurate, which you also shouldn't Snipe with...
And the one you are talking about is my first 3rd marked tier 10 tank :)
@whitedeath47 was it fun? Only at the Tier 9 rn, can't Play nearly as offensive sadly.
@@PheenWoT strv tier 9 is pure sniper sadly, no dpm, no heat shield. Strv 103 B is beast of you know calibers of enemy guns.
@@whitedeath47 i agree, but Sometimes, Just Sometimes, you can Play the Tier 9 aggressive, Just Hope you Fight against people who cant Pen you and that dont fire Heat. And the 308 Standart Pen is ofc very nice. But still by far Not as good as the t10 ofc.
@@whitedeath47 If i May ask, what was the best Game you Had in Strv? Just curious.
Your problem is that Mailand-Commander and Grille dont match together very well. Mailand sold this thing minimum 3 times because the gun is inaccurate.
I laughed so hard, I can feel you! 😂
how did u get that reload time 😮
first 3 mins you looks like kamil when he trying mark e6 xD
Not using the mobility of any tank is holding people back.
Grille's gun is just random as f*ck. Once in a while u hit and pen everyshots, but most the time the bullets just love to eat dirt.
THE EYE TWITCHIN AT 1:09 HAHA.
Liked the different way of thinking. But beware of your allies line of fire, you blocked the opportunity of the TS-54 to shoot the fleeing enemy at 12:00, by running in front instead of waiting a few seconds.
True
Best sniping td in the game? Bro did you play strv?))
Worst part of Grille15 is the tier 9 waffle, a better td in almost every way.
bro once said that his favorite TD is Grile 15 🤣🤣
I hate grille. It never pens. Hori is so much better in everything
I have the same experience with grille, is quite bad td
i love you brother and good seeing you safe and well! but why you play this still is bey... oh yeah, you arent a player like me lmao take care brother!
What do you mean? Sorry
I swear, grille's gun is the biggest scam in the entire game
screw iyouxin is more fun than he screwing others.
I flushed tea though my nose😂
Bro didn't buy premum.
(edit) i knew it lol
day 1 of asking iyouxin for high level commentary gameplay on cs52 lis 😩🙏🙏🙏
(pls pls pls pls pls)
Good luck with this
These are not the only problems of this tank. Most of the shots fired are below 750 average damage. Damage RNG is negative most of the time.
rng loves you
The most important thing when you are playing like that is to be where the majority of your allies are so you can support them. They tank (absorb damage) for you and you do most of the damage 🙄 Somehow like the rogue or the warlock does with the tank on a boss in WoW 😉 Boooooi 😍
Sage advice from Tripitaka
Grille experience in a nutshell, I hate it 😂
the 1st and the 2nd video is literally me on how i play fv4005...i hate myself when it deflect on LT....the curse.....hahahhaha
This is currently me
Grille 15 is also terrible in blitz, with same bad aiming but more easy to be spotted, it took me hundreds of battles to know how to play it.
I think they should buff the pen of the gold round. It may have great accuracy but its gun handling is bad.
What pisses me off is that mediums will sit the whole match at the back of a map trying to snipe just to get that one shot or kill just to die in a few seconds when the enemy team rush them. All because they barely used their gun most of the match at the start.
What is worse is that people like this go in a game...sit the whole game and do nothing and find it fun ...
What commander is in your Grille? The voice lines sound non-standard...
Mailand
as i dont use cvs and food,i guess i will stop using optics and just turn into mobile tanks instead
EVERYONE HIT BUT ME :(( this reminds me of a crush from highschool...
sadly video is voiced over, no original sounds :(
this is why i cant play this tank anymore 80 percent shots i hit light with say armor not hit or screen
Get your own damn bush! 15:30
Grille is such bad and Ho-Ri 3 for me
you need premium + wot plus so that your shots don't miss ... its not random bro
Come on, be honest Iyouxin. Wargaming has removed so many sniping positions in every map, that you are better of playing a good premium tank like the Obj. 752 or the IS-3A. Just look at Mannerheim Line, the right flank trees on the upper right base camp, which was a great defensive place, got removed. Every map has been ruined for snippers.
How do you justify a "mod" that tells you if your shots go throug the enemy tank ?
How is it not a cheat ? it is suuuuuuuuuch a huge advantage !
what exactly are you talking about?
For me Grille 15 missing to many shots🤮🤮
LOL INTRO 😆😆😆😆😆
全世界通用的玄学，打不中打不穿就充点钱哈哈
iyouxin, you have it partially wrong here.
yes, sniping is certainly a problem. Combining HP, combining DPM, combining focus fire are certainly very big things that arent helped when a triangle is sitting back sniping. Alot of bad players need to learn this point, at least the ones genuine in wanting to improve.
the problem with what you have to say, is team arguments and screaming and yelling people to people over not spotting. '''Noob light tank go spot''' And while yes, someone's job is not to spot for you, the underlying problem is not that this asshat is not spotting for you, it is that he is your teams light tank and not spotting for the team. That is the role. And these people arent like haglar, where when they are not spotting they do 4k dmg instead in the light. lts not that, they arent even doing 1k. Dont play light tank if you dont want to spot, better yet dont know how to spot. You handicap the team.
He "pay to winned" and bought premium time and which gave Iyouxin reduced dispersion RNG... got it.
JK btw. The editing lead to that.
All I see in this video is that aiming fully with grille is for noobs.
Just point, click and pray to RNGesus. EZ
Приветик, мне нравятся твои видео, я из России, игра до сих живет, ты снимаешь уникальный контент с уникальными игроками(4 me), спасибо за контент, ждем на ру кластере для теста)
Best sniper TD is STRV
Grille is useless un accurate crap
Day 9 of asking u to play world of tanks blitz
Eew no
WoT Blitz is Bullshit
NO
no WoTB is utter dogshit
🇹🇷✋🥰💯
LTA 😂
It’s always funny when a great player evaluates how the average player should play. It doesn’t translate to success for the average. You’ve found a way to play WoT 8 hours a day and make a living from it. Most WoT players are worker bees or students and are limited in the amount they can play. You’re entertaining at times but most of your lessons can’t be applied by the average player.
That's truly sad
how does working or studying in any way change how you play the game?? I'm a student and work extra on the weekends but still learn a lot from videos like these.
@@edvinstromberg9107 what he means is intuition and situational awareness mainly comes from experience. And someone who can play 8hrs+ a day has generally speaking more experience and can assess a situation better than someone who can only play in their spare time (few hrs a day).
@ if practice/experience improves skills Iyouxin far exceeds full time workers/students.
@bilbyy if experience is the holy grail for more intuition and situational awareness, why is it then that I am a unicum at 18k games but there are thousands of players with wayyy more battles that are still tomatoes. While experience might help, by watching good players and actively trying to learn you'll get good at the game way faster.
WT is better...
lol play agressive. Seems you are so used to support from team that you can stay in front with any tank. To bad free to play players do not have this option. As most games are 15 to zero MM and match over in 3 min.
Free to play players are either done in the front before they even get there in slow tanks, or game is won.
Dont realy matter for youtubers and paying whales as theyll do 6 k dmg avg in those slow tanks every round;)
Would be funn if you ever, even slightly took a look at the MM at wg. Is it not even slightly suspicuos that it is secret and hidden on server side?
WG even admit they use it for new players. So why wold they not for Whales and youtubers? just asking ;)
Was a good "game" but nowadays it is shitt. And yours was a BATTLE, not game.