Some feedback because I love the draft videos on this channel. If the person is both talking to chat and drafting, I would prefer to have the chat in the video as well. There's just enough small conversations that I don't understand the context of for it to be annoying. I'm not in the camp that dislikes chat interaction in these videos, but if there's interaction I want to follow it.
Wow! After strixhaven the drafting in Kaldheim seems a lot more complicated. There aren't many strong archetypes that are easy to draft other than snow. It just seems really different.
@@vy1585 Wouldn't 15 forest 25 wolves.dec still beat almost anything? You'd have to mulligan more often that most decks but you'd more than make up the lost card.
@@anonofyesterday4650 I think it would be fascinating to take every recorded CFB limited Kaldheim deck and play it against wolves/forests.dec. Is it about the strength of a good sealed deck? Maybe a mediocre draft deck? Maybe better than the best draft deck? Maybe it's actually worse than the poorest sealed pool? Would love to see the wolves in a statistically significant number of properly played matches against the entire sealed spectrum, and see how it fares.
@@firstandlast.1254 that's a really cool thought experiment. My guess is that an endless stream of 3/3 beats almost every normal draft deck. I can't come up with many archetypes that would fare well against it. It's horrible if you're red something aggro, since the wolves outclass most of your creatures. It is too much card advantage for most control lists. It is probably what other midrange decks wish they actually were. Also very hard to race for fliers... I can't come up with any list I would feel good battling against with. An excellent giant deck might be ok since you have a lot of 4/4, you can draw cards from your removal if you have aegar out, and if you have 2+ glimpse the cosmos you might keep up card-quantity-wise, plus if you have the 4 damage wrath saga it would be also quite good against all the 3/3. But the wolves deck would never have bad mana, it essentially needs to draw 5+ forests in a row to run out of gas, which will happen less often than a 17-lands deck. And even when you do flood, your opponent needs to close the door immediately because once you draw your first wolf again with a bunch of lands out, and a low ratio of lands remaining in your deck, you will start to chain wolves immediately and get back in the game real fast.
I thought the same and would’ve taken it there. It’s high upside if get other tokens and okay if not. Plays well in GW aggro which I’ve found to be one of the better archetypes. Maybe he thought it was the uncommon one which is rather weak.
Anyone else on mobile and can’t help your eyes moving to the doorknob perfectly aligned with the border of the cam? I thought there was something on my screen and could not stop looking at it...
On the topic of premature GGs my favourite example was when my opponent said "Good Game" prematurely, and I thought to myself "They have settle the wreckage and are trying to bait me into thinking I've won" and then that's exactly what they had, but I played around it and won. Which felt good but also I think that ploy 100% falls into gifting. In a paper match of you say good game that's like, basically the same as a concession.
I sometimes say good game when I am about to loose, but I really enjoyed the game. Like saying that was an enjoyable game to play (i.e It was a good game).
He verbalized multiple times that he wanted the vandal in the yard to get it back with raise, in order to remove the opponent's wings. He ended up removing the pick tho
There are two ways these CFB uploads go for me: LSV: Love Seeing Video LSV: Lousy Stream Vod (Disclaimer: I love all LSV content and realise these reuploads are pure bonus, but I always get excited only to quickly be a wee bit bummed when I realise I've already seen this. Would be great if CFB called these 'LSV streams a "set name" draft'.)
He's gotta get the 2-for-1! I don't watch the stream so I enjoy seeing these uploaded. They do edit out the breaks which is nice. I also like how LSV restates chat's questions. Even without seeing chat I can follow along just fine.
I thought it was interesting in pack 1 you said how good lindwurm was, said meh to the grizzled outrider explicitly stating the lindwurm is soo much better than it, then passed on 3 wurms before picking the wheel to then cut the wurm to run 2 riders
I'm old fashion, I only say good game when I'm going to concede. I despise when a player says it when they are ahead; although, that does make the victory sweet when you stabilize and come back. The opponent in this case may be playing it out for quests.
@@SharinganMan okay, I guess myself and Ben stark and some of the older players are wrong. Its a hang up we have, not a common old school courtesy similar to opening the door for someone...
Wrong about framing it as "old fashioned courtesy"? Yes, you are. You can have whatever hangups you want, you're not "wrong" about them. But you can be /wrong/ in how you try and make them other people's business or problems.
@@aq_qa well, here's why I pick it: if you're going to scold people because you go on tilt when they're being polite, you shouldn't fall back on "ah that's just the old, respectable code of conduct in me". You should have to own and recognize that's it's literally just you lacking self-awareness and self-control. Saying "oh it's the old fashioned way" is just trying to drape legitimacy onto your immaturity.
Your thinking ideal situation, removal spells that give your opponent a creature in limited are really only good against big scary stuff, but pretty bad against smaller things and only medium against everything else. Unfortunately, there aren't that many big scary things in limited. Like you'd be really happy raven forming an 8/8, but would you really be happy using it on a 3/2 flyer or a 4/3 on the ground? Especially since you're spending 3 mana on it
1/1 flier is a real body that matters. In most of the normal games of draft (that is, neither player is flooded/screwed) trading one of your cards for 1/2 or even 2/3 of an opponent's card is really bad. I found Ravenform to be passable in Bo3 where you can at least side it in as an answer to some broken rares and mythics but in Bo1 it's just bad. Maybe one is playable if you end up with several copies of the 1/4 flying changeling but even then I'd be cautious about opponent putting equipment on it or something.
The best case scenario for Ravenform outside of an aura is inherently worth less than a card, the average case is that you downgrade a utility creature, and it can sometimes, not even just in the worst cases, randomly give your opponent another route to win the game. It's a very powerful effect that is sometimes going to deal with a threat you have few other ways to deal with, but the point is that you do have better options most of the time. It's like being given a platter of breakfast options and choosing a Mcmuffin over a high-quality breakfast burrito. It might scratch an itch but you are ultimately choosing the worse product.
I've had many a people spam "Good Game" at me on Arena because they think that by telling me that while they perceive me as behind, I'll concede. Nope, I'm just way more liberal with my life total than most people. Winning at 1 life is still winning.
@@lesrestall807 for a player as good as LSV, playing in silver rank is like swimming in the baby pool. My first 4 KHM drafts go 7-0, 7-2, 5-3 and 7-1 in silver rank because at that rank on average players don't draft very good decks and make lot of gameplay mistakes. Back to platinum, my win rate is back to normal around 58% All that to say, you learn very litle from a LSV draft video playing at silver rank. I would prefer to see him playing in traditional or in diamond/mythc rank instead of waching him playing a not very good deck to say the least, crushing green players
@@trekker59 There's way more value (imo) in watching a good player draft than there is in watching them play out a league. As far as I'm aware, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, you draft with everyone and not just players at your rank. Plus it's always instructional having someone explain why/what they are playing around, even if the opponent doesn't have or use it.
I love LSV.
Love, Skill, Victory
I like seeing a steady stream of new lsv draft videos. Keep up the good work!
Leaving with a few new authors on my to-read list--thanks, LSV!
Some feedback because I love the draft videos on this channel.
If the person is both talking to chat and drafting, I would prefer to have the chat in the video as well. There's just enough small conversations that I don't understand the context of for it to be annoying.
I'm not in the camp that dislikes chat interaction in these videos, but if there's interaction I want to follow it.
@@lesrestall807 No way - conflicting opinions?!
counterfeedback -- i can't imagine ever being interested in what someone in chat has said. i'm lookin at that draft screen.
"Maybe yes, maybe snow"
Wow! After strixhaven the drafting in Kaldheim seems a lot more complicated. There aren't many strong archetypes that are easy to draft other than snow. It just seems really different.
How many wolves is too many wolves? Played 6 in a recent draft and didn't feel like too many
I would say 26 wolves. Because I would play 15 forest 25 wolves
I'd go one step further. 26 Wolves, 13 Forests, and a Struggle for Skemfar. Gotta have some interaction at least.
@@vy1585 Wouldn't 15 forest 25 wolves.dec still beat almost anything? You'd have to mulligan more often that most decks but you'd more than make up the lost card.
@@anonofyesterday4650 I think it would be fascinating to take every recorded CFB limited Kaldheim deck and play it against wolves/forests.dec. Is it about the strength of a good sealed deck? Maybe a mediocre draft deck? Maybe better than the best draft deck? Maybe it's actually worse than the poorest sealed pool? Would love to see the wolves in a statistically significant number of properly played matches against the entire sealed spectrum, and see how it fares.
@@firstandlast.1254 that's a really cool thought experiment. My guess is that an endless stream of 3/3 beats almost every normal draft deck. I can't come up with many archetypes that would fare well against it. It's horrible if you're red something aggro, since the wolves outclass most of your creatures. It is too much card advantage for most control lists. It is probably what other midrange decks wish they actually were. Also very hard to race for fliers... I can't come up with any list I would feel good battling against with. An excellent giant deck might be ok since you have a lot of 4/4, you can draw cards from your removal if you have aegar out, and if you have 2+ glimpse the cosmos you might keep up card-quantity-wise, plus if you have the 4 damage wrath saga it would be also quite good against all the 3/3. But the wolves deck would never have bad mana, it essentially needs to draw 5+ forests in a row to run out of gas, which will happen less often than a 17-lands deck. And even when you do flood, your opponent needs to close the door immediately because once you draw your first wolf again with a bunch of lands out, and a low ratio of lands remaining in your deck, you will start to chain wolves immediately and get back in the game real fast.
The "rank the draft formats" at the end really made me nostalgic for 2 set draft formats
It would be nice if the webcam was anywhere else, not blocking the stack.
Came for the LSV draft, stayed for the LSV Hamilton rendition
2:20 is the saga bad enough to not even be in consideration?
Yes it is awful
I thought the same and would’ve taken it there. It’s high upside if get other tokens and okay if not. Plays well in GW aggro which I’ve found to be one of the better archetypes. Maybe he thought it was the uncommon one which is rather weak.
LSV why don't you have your own youtube channel?
Anyone else on mobile and can’t help your eyes moving to the doorknob perfectly aligned with the border of the cam? I thought there was something on my screen and could not stop looking at it...
Best draft content
can we get a link to your Ice cream brand? The only Jeni's Ice cream I know is local lol
On the topic of premature GGs my favourite example was when my opponent said "Good Game" prematurely, and I thought to myself "They have settle the wreckage and are trying to bait me into thinking I've won" and then that's exactly what they had, but I played around it and won.
Which felt good but also I think that ploy 100% falls into gifting. In a paper match of you say good game that's like, basically the same as a concession.
That happened to me too, though not with settle the wreckage specifically. Always be suspicious when the opponent says gg with some mana open...
i went 7:1 in my very first kaldheim draft with azorius :D i agree its not a good archetype but it can be good enough
p1p3 No consideration for the white-green rare? It is at least 4 tokens for 3 mana..
Putting onions and garlic in ice cream is a losing line for sure.
I sometimes say good game when I am about to loose, but I really enjoyed the game. Like saying that was an enjoyable game to play (i.e It was a good game).
Have you read “ancillary justice”?
At 1:16.26 should just fight the dwarf token, right? That was an odd line to take, and I wondered if I was missing something...
He verbalized multiple times that he wanted the vandal in the yard to get it back with raise, in order to remove the opponent's wings. He ended up removing the pick tho
"Good game" *continues playing* 🤔
55:53 Who?
"Chaia Mievo"??? what???
China Mieville
@@gattomeccanico6943 Thanks - :)
"Wrapter beat the living Cheons out of that hydra"
"medium commons let's gooo" ahahha
Oh goodness my body is ready
These are the only things keeping me going anymore
*taking a 5/5 *
"nice little elve here!
There are two ways these CFB uploads go for me:
LSV: Love Seeing Video
LSV: Lousy Stream Vod
(Disclaimer: I love all LSV content and realise these reuploads are pure bonus, but I always get excited only to quickly be a wee bit bummed when I realise I've already seen this. Would be great if CFB called these 'LSV streams a "set name" draft'.)
couldn't agree more
He's gotta get the 2-for-1! I don't watch the stream so I enjoy seeing these uploaded. They do edit out the breaks which is nice.
I also like how LSV restates chat's questions. Even without seeing chat I can follow along just fine.
I thought it was interesting in pack 1 you said how good lindwurm was, said meh to the grizzled outrider explicitly stating the lindwurm is soo much better than it, then passed on 3 wurms before picking the wheel to then cut the wurm to run 2 riders
for the elf synergy
me smashing the 420° like right now
I’m only here because Crokeyz said this LSV fellow was a bit better at magic than he is...
Whose crokeyz?
@@sirrobot7784 he’s a Scottish guy who makes a living advertising vape hardware online
I remember crokeyz from Gwent lol man, hope he's doing well
Real recognize real. Crokeyz has been great for years at a plethora of card games, but LSV is quite close to being the literal GOAT of mtg.
when i thought LSV couldn't get any more cool, and then he goes and says he loves Brandon Sanderson. Legend!
Sanderson plays mtg as well and has stopped by in LSV streams a bunch :).
Watched the whole video for the snow puns. Not for the limited MTG gameplay
I think masked vandal hit every single match
Overperformed based on the draft portion, guess the player (and maybe opponent) can make up for quite a bit
I'm old fashion, I only say good game when I'm going to concede. I despise when a player says it when they are ahead; although, that does make the victory sweet when you stabilize and come back.
The opponent in this case may be playing it out for quests.
don't call it "old fashioned", it's just a hangup you have, nothing to do with oldschool or anything. You've just had the hangup for a long time.
@@SharinganMan okay, I guess myself and Ben stark and some of the older players are wrong. Its a hang up we have, not a common old school courtesy similar to opening the door for someone...
Wrong about framing it as "old fashioned courtesy"? Yes, you are.
You can have whatever hangups you want, you're not "wrong" about them. But you can be /wrong/ in how you try and make them other people's business or problems.
@@SharinganMan This is an odd nit to pick ngl.
@@aq_qa well, here's why I pick it: if you're going to scold people because you go on tilt when they're being polite, you shouldn't fall back on "ah that's just the old, respectable code of conduct in me". You should have to own and recognize that's it's literally just you lacking self-awareness and self-control. Saying "oh it's the old fashioned way" is just trying to drape legitimacy onto your immaturity.
"Always be holding" is that something you can actually say on stream? :|
Yes. It's a pun.
But why is Ravenform bad? Exile any creature/artifact for 1-3 mana. All they get in return is a 1/1 flier.
Your thinking ideal situation, removal spells that give your opponent a creature in limited are really only good against big scary stuff, but pretty bad against smaller things and only medium against everything else. Unfortunately, there aren't that many big scary things in limited. Like you'd be really happy raven forming an 8/8, but would you really be happy using it on a 3/2 flyer or a 4/3 on the ground? Especially since you're spending 3 mana on it
1/1 flier is a real body that matters. In most of the normal games of draft (that is, neither player is flooded/screwed) trading one of your cards for 1/2 or even 2/3 of an opponent's card is really bad. I found Ravenform to be passable in Bo3 where you can at least side it in as an answer to some broken rares and mythics but in Bo1 it's just bad. Maybe one is playable if you end up with several copies of the 1/4 flying changeling but even then I'd be cautious about opponent putting equipment on it or something.
To add on, there is also a ton of equipment running around, which the 1/1 flyer quickly straps on.
The best case scenario for Ravenform outside of an aura is inherently worth less than a card, the average case is that you downgrade a utility creature, and it can sometimes, not even just in the worst cases, randomly give your opponent another route to win the game.
It's a very powerful effect that is sometimes going to deal with a threat you have few other ways to deal with, but the point is that you do have better options most of the time.
It's like being given a platter of breakfast options and choosing a Mcmuffin over a high-quality breakfast burrito. It might scratch an itch but you are ultimately choosing the worse product.
Didn't expect the 7-0 either, not gonna lie
Well, he played in silver rank. So the playfield was not very skilled. This say nothing meaningfull about the deck he drafted.
You had to place the cam so I can't read the spells in the stack. Nice.
I've had many a people spam "Good Game" at me on Arena because they think that by telling me that while they perceive me as behind, I'll concede. Nope, I'm just way more liberal with my life total than most people. Winning at 1 life is still winning.
Yeehaw
Love lsv but can't stand arena.
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Unfortunatly, a draft in silver rank is not very meaningfull
@@lesrestall807 for a player as good as LSV, playing in silver rank is like swimming in the baby pool.
My first 4 KHM drafts go 7-0, 7-2, 5-3 and 7-1 in silver rank because at that rank on average players don't draft very good decks and make lot of gameplay mistakes.
Back to platinum, my win rate is back to normal around 58%
All that to say, you learn very litle from a LSV draft video playing at silver rank. I would prefer to see him playing in traditional or in diamond/mythc rank instead of waching him playing a not very good deck to say the least, crushing green players
@@trekker59 There's way more value (imo) in watching a good player draft than there is in watching them play out a league. As far as I'm aware, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, you draft with everyone and not just players at your rank.
Plus it's always instructional having someone explain why/what they are playing around, even if the opponent doesn't have or use it.