Got this computer when I went to college is 2012. Spend 1200€ on a late 2012 2,3gh quadcore i7 and been using it for audio producing en video editing until now. I hope indeed if I ever have to buy a new one it still has that durability. Hang on little fellow
@@UseThink I do not need to be mobile som I thinking about selling my 2012 13 macbook pro 2.9ghz, I7 and getting a mac mini 2012 2.3ghz i7 ? One of my friends tells me that I will get much more power in the mini then the 2012 macbook (and I stand to make a bit of cash on the macbook at the same time) @UseThink do you think thrue about the mini being stronger then the macbook ? I "only" use my com puters for music making
thank you for showing the mac minis this way, I am about to purchase a bag with zipper and is marketed as M1 mac mini and now I know will be useful for my mac mini 2012
Interesting comparison. I’ve just ordered the base model m1 with education discount. I love the mini but extra gpu performance and more key the near silent performance vs pushing Mac mini 2012 or 2018.
I was surprised that it is audible. So many reviewers rave that it's silent, but I definitely hear it in a quiet room. Never noticeable during day to day use though.
I’ve got two 2012 Mac Minis. I7 and I5. They have performed flawlessly for years in a small office setting with multiple users. I’m hearing they won’t be supported much longer so I’m considering putting Linux on them and taking them home. Still great hardware.
That support is kind of a non issue. Right now I run my 2012 on Mojave, and that runs all the software I need. OK, you need to jump through some hoops: there is no FCP available for Mojave at Apple, so you have to find the previous version somewhere, same with some browsers that require 10.15 nowadays, but so far I don't encounter websites that don't work on Firefox 111 ESR. And you can always switch to Windows 11 if you absolutely need newer software. On the other hand, old software can also be gold. I still do all my vector design jobs on a MacPro 2008 with Freehand 10 from 2002. Nobody knows.... That combination of hard- and software keeps going and going.
I plan on running those exact programs logic X and FL on the i7 2012 Mac mini 16 gb ram with a 1TB ssd. Is this a wise move do you think in 2022? I don’t use that many plugins. I don’t need to edit videos either.
Thanks for the video. It’s hilarious to watch and see you mildly disgusted with the newer one seems like you like the old one better. Also seems like you’re a very frugal guy. Anyway - thanks for the video! I just bought a 2012 for light video editing and to see if I like a Mac before investing in something more expensive.
This is the route I went down originally, along with a 1TB hard drive. I changed my mind and returned the RAM so I could buy an Intel NUC 10, which was a good replacement this time last year. The RAM would be slower in the older Mac, but if I was strapped for cash would likely have been the best option yeah.
@@IanWootten it's kind of sad how Apple- as literally one of the wealthiest companies in the world!- has slowly evolved to be such cheap bastards with regards to their hardware & serving their original consumer base (geeks like us); i.e., the lack of ports on most of their current hardware is annoying af- sure, the M1 is kewl, fast, their chips... But i literally just got a couple of SSDs (and some reasonably priced monitors via Craigslist Haha) & am looking forward to my "newly refreshed" late 2012 i7 quad-core- assuming i don't fudge the install Haha 🤞🏽- nice vid btw 🙏🏽
I wouldn't buy a 2012 Mini these days unless I specifically needed one for testing. It's a decade old and modern software is really going to show the hardware's age. That coupled with Apples move to their own silicon, I'd probably be looking at a 16GB M1 refurb if I were looking to save money.
I want to buy a Mac Mini. Someone came to me with n offer. (Specs provided below) and is charging me R5999 (approx $370 usd) I am an audio engineer and will be using it to edit and record audio mainly. Will this device be a good choice? Is it worth it at this price even though its a 2012 model? Thanks in advance! Mac Mini 2012 Desktop 2.3Ghz Intel Core i7 CPU 2TB Hard Drive ( 2 x 1TB Drives ) 8GB DDR3 Ram HDMI Port / Thunderbolt Port / 4x USB Ports MacOs Catalina Installed Microsoft Office Pro 2019 Installed Power Cable Included
This is only something you can answer really. But for $699 you could get a base level M1 (15% less when you get it as a refurb) and then add an external drive over usb-c. Bear in mind the operating system and software on these older models is going to be phased out to no longer support intel based machines so that may well give you a problem not long from now if you did decide to go for it.
How do you bear the obnoxiousness of Big Sur? For me the biggest turn-down of the M1 is the totally sealed situation when it comes to software. No Bootcamp, no boot from external drives, so you have to take Big Sur as it is or else you'll be cursed by Tim. Also I hear the M1 is really bad with scaled-mode support on displays. I hear it is hard to get the screen to render at the workspace size you like.
For me, as a (mostly web) dev it's in line with how I work. I've never run bootcamp as I only use a Windows machine for play, which is a completely separate machine. Dual booting OS's either on Mac or PC always had annoying little quirks for me which aren't worth my time dealing with.
@@IanWootten My comment was mostly about the problem the new MacOS delivers. My default OS across my macs is Mojave, it just feels so much nicer and smoother than the new Candy Crush iOS inspireds OSes.
Thank you for that comparison. But why compare with a benchmark and say later that its a situation not often used. because 12 minutes to 7 minutes is quite a gain. What would be a benchmark more suitable for you?
I guess my point is more that for me as a web dev I'll likely never see gains like that very often. I'm only ever really editing text/running servers and not often running software that will max out the CPU day to day. As I mentioned though, now I''m having to edit and render videos regularly my workflow has somewhat changed.
Got this computer when I went to college is 2012. Spend 1200€ on a late 2012 2,3gh quadcore i7 and been using it for audio producing en video editing until now. I hope indeed if I ever have to buy a new one it still has that durability. Hang on little fellow
I am looking at the same model 2.3ghz and i7 with 16gb ram.. I am gonne use it for music production. Hope it will do
@@thomasdietz579 been using Logic & Fl 2.0 lol the time. Only when I’m editing videos he’s turning his ack on me
@@UseThink I do not need to be mobile som I thinking about selling my 2012 13 macbook pro 2.9ghz, I7 and getting a mac mini 2012 2.3ghz i7 ? One of my friends tells me that I will get much more power in the mini then the 2012 macbook (and I stand to make a bit of cash on the macbook at the same time) @UseThink do you think thrue about the mini being stronger then the macbook ? I "only" use my com
puters for music making
thank you for showing the mac minis this way, I am about to purchase a bag with zipper and is marketed as M1 mac mini and now I know will be useful for my mac mini 2012
Just bought a 2012 i7 Quad 16GB SSD for $120 on ebay. Paired it with a 27" Thunderbolt Display from Marketplace, $150 (Pristine) Very happy :)
How is that?
@@z0zd_1 I'm very happy. I never get the rotating beach ball. Very fast system and this monitor is very easy on the eyes.
@@artistnyc123 you using it w ventura?
Very cool. Ive had the m1 varieties and 2012, got a i7 quad now with 16gb and 512ssd. seems to run alot faster than the other i5 2012
Interesting comparison. I’ve just ordered the base model m1 with education discount. I love the mini but extra gpu performance and more key the near silent performance vs pushing Mac mini 2012 or 2018.
I was surprised that it is audible. So many reviewers rave that it's silent, but I definitely hear it in a quiet room. Never noticeable during day to day use though.
@@IanWootten Does not sound much different. I only hear my 2012 on FCP exports, otherwise I can't hear it.
Nov 2022 got the 2.6 i7 2012 iMac mini…FOR $80 and for the price ITS AWESOME…it comes with a 256 SSD 8 gig of ram…eBay is the way to go!!
Good review. I will buy this Mac mini i7 with 16gb ram for 400e.. Thank you.. My use is not professional
I’ve got two 2012 Mac Minis. I7 and I5. They have performed flawlessly for years in a small office setting with multiple users.
I’m hearing they won’t be supported much longer so I’m considering putting Linux on them and taking them home. Still great hardware.
Zorin 16 looks like a good option (there is a mac-like desktop but it's in Pro but then it's low cost - 30quid i think)
@@rossgeography Thanks for the suggestion. Hadn’t heard of that distro. Looks pretty cool!
That support is kind of a non issue. Right now I run my 2012 on Mojave, and that runs all the software I need. OK, you need to jump through some hoops: there is no FCP available for Mojave at Apple, so you have to find the previous version somewhere, same with some browsers that require 10.15 nowadays, but so far I don't encounter websites that don't work on Firefox 111 ESR. And you can always switch to Windows 11 if you absolutely need newer software. On the other hand, old software can also be gold. I still do all my vector design jobs on a MacPro 2008 with Freehand 10 from 2002. Nobody knows.... That combination of hard- and software keeps going and going.
Why are your hoodie strings so large 😮
I plan on running those exact programs logic X and FL on the i7 2012 Mac mini 16 gb ram with a 1TB ssd. Is this a wise move do you think in 2022? I don’t use that many plugins. I don’t need to edit videos either.
Thanks for the video. It’s hilarious to watch and see you mildly disgusted with the newer one seems like you like the old one better. Also seems like you’re a very frugal guy. Anyway - thanks for the video! I just bought a 2012 for light video editing and to see if I like a Mac before investing in something more expensive.
It would seem like putting 16gb in the other unit would have been worth it
This is the route I went down originally, along with a 1TB hard drive. I changed my mind and returned the RAM so I could buy an Intel NUC 10, which was a good replacement this time last year. The RAM would be slower in the older Mac, but if I was strapped for cash would likely have been the best option yeah.
Thank you!
No problem! Glad you liked it.
Enjoyed the outtakes, and how lucky are you to find a refurb 16GB 1TB M1? I had to forego pushing my specs to buy a decent monitor.
I was hitting refresh quite a lot on the refurb site when I saw them popping in and out of stock!
@@IanWootten you can upgrade it if you find another motherboard for m1 with the higher specs
Thanks!
Dwight whitout glasses
just bought a second i7 2012 with 500ssd+1tb hdd (prob original) drive and 16GB RAM for e400/£340 - bargain
I'm waiting to see what happens with the upcoming pros in Oct event.. then weigh that up vs Air vs waiting for next years Air
Yeah, I'd like to update my MBP too so will be following announcements myself. Definitely want more than two measly ports though.
The Verge MBP / Oct Event in 13 mins
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@@IanWootten it's kind of sad how Apple- as literally one of the wealthiest companies in the world!- has slowly evolved to be such cheap bastards with regards to their hardware & serving their original consumer base (geeks like us); i.e., the lack of ports on most of their current hardware is annoying af- sure, the M1 is kewl, fast, their chips... But i literally just got a couple of SSDs (and some reasonably priced monitors via Craigslist Haha) & am looking forward to my "newly refreshed" late 2012 i7 quad-core- assuming i don't fudge the install Haha 🤞🏽- nice vid btw 🙏🏽
thx
I'm thinking about getting a older Mac mini... never had a Mac ever do u think the 2012 is the best to get and easiest 2 upgrade
I wouldn't buy a 2012 Mini these days unless I specifically needed one for testing. It's a decade old and modern software is really going to show the hardware's age. That coupled with Apples move to their own silicon, I'd probably be looking at a 16GB M1 refurb if I were looking to save money.
I want to buy a Mac Mini. Someone came to me with n offer. (Specs provided below) and is charging me R5999 (approx $370 usd) I am an audio engineer and will be using it to edit and record audio mainly. Will this device be a good choice? Is it worth it at this price even though its a 2012 model? Thanks in advance!
Mac Mini 2012 Desktop 2.3Ghz Intel Core i7 CPU 2TB Hard Drive ( 2 x 1TB Drives ) 8GB DDR3 Ram HDMI Port / Thunderbolt Port / 4x USB Ports MacOs Catalina Installed Microsoft Office Pro 2019 Installed Power Cable Included
This is only something you can answer really. But for $699 you could get a base level M1 (15% less when you get it as a refurb) and then add an external drive over usb-c. Bear in mind the operating system and software on these older models is going to be phased out to no longer support intel based machines so that may well give you a problem not long from now if you did decide to go for it.
How do you bear the obnoxiousness of Big Sur? For me the biggest turn-down of the M1 is the totally sealed situation when it comes to software. No Bootcamp, no boot from external drives, so you have to take Big Sur as it is or else you'll be cursed by Tim. Also I hear the M1 is really bad with scaled-mode support on displays. I hear it is hard to get the screen to render at the workspace size you like.
For me, as a (mostly web) dev it's in line with how I work. I've never run bootcamp as I only use a Windows machine for play, which is a completely separate machine. Dual booting OS's either on Mac or PC always had annoying little quirks for me which aren't worth my time dealing with.
@@IanWootten My comment was mostly about the problem the new MacOS delivers. My default OS across my macs is Mojave, it just feels so much nicer and smoother than the new Candy Crush iOS inspireds OSes.
This is why people are buying the old style off eBay. Money monsters. They down grade a great thing. Buy Apple.
"I dont think thats much of an improvement"... almost 100% faster using 10% the power.... not sure what would you call an improvement then sir.
You're right - I'm not easily impressed. Over the course of a decade I would have hoped it to be an order of magnitude faster.
Thank you for that comparison. But why compare with a benchmark and say later that its a situation not often used. because 12 minutes to 7 minutes is quite a gain. What would be a benchmark more suitable for you?
I guess my point is more that for me as a web dev I'll likely never see gains like that very often. I'm only ever really editing text/running servers and not often running software that will max out the CPU day to day. As I mentioned though, now I''m having to edit and render videos regularly my workflow has somewhat changed.
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