Kahler Stringlock: Tuning Stability Heaven - Install & Demo
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- Today in Plague Scythe Studios, I obtain the keys to unmatched tuning stability with Kahler's Stringlock and the Gibson TP-6 tailpiece with fine tuners!
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I've done this already on a few guitars and it rocks! The issue of having some string behind the nut to the lock as someone commented below is no big deal because there is little string to do that plus the stupid angle for the D and G strings are no longer an issue since the lock straightens out the angle from the nut. I personally have not had any issue with that plus I have a graphite nut and graphite saddles. And I have this on a 70's les paul standard so screw the expense of the guitar - it 'aint no stupid museum piece anyway. I play because it was meant to be played. I do have locking tuners too so mine is way easier to change strings. And I cut a piece of the truss rod cover to fit and just secure it with the screw at the top and it works just fine. Great video bro and thanks for sharing this to others that are sick of the gibson tuning issue due to the angle coming out of the nut for the D and G strings and the damn short scale deal of 24.75. Rock on!
You just did the exact thing I was going to do, and on the same type of guitar. Thanks for saving me the fuckery of having to experiment
+Big Dick Non problem, it works great if you're still interested!
Plague Scythe Studios definitely, now I've just gotta scrape the money together, great channel by the way, found it just today and I'm already subscribed
+Big Dick Thank you! Let me know how it works out!
Plague Scythe Studios only problem I'm gonna face that you didn't is my headstock is glossy, unsure of how I'm gonna drill into that without cracking the finish
Big Dick score it with a razor or an ah (au? Aw? Not sure how its spelled) going slow with a hand drill and 3 in 1 oil has helped me go through shiny finishes before, not to mention very sharp bits.
Not for nothing, but that drill is double insulated or Class II, which means it doesn't need a ground on the plug. Actually, if you look at various appliances around your house you'll notice that many of them only have the 2 prong plug instead of the 3 prong plug. In a nutshell, it just means that they were made with extra insulating material to completely isolate the electrical components inside. It's totally fine and completely safe.
Anyway, awesome video! This is exactly the information I've been needing to finish up some project guitars I have laying around. Thanks!!!
BASS player here, I see those people with thousand of dollars worth of tools, and WE cannot always afford those tools, so DIY is the solution, that's one of the many reasons I subscribed to your channel!!!!
It's your guitar, we all have things we like doing to our guitars, to either make the guitar play better or in some cases just look better! I like the chrome look. My black Les Paul has chrome pickups chrome knobs and a chrome switch tip. When polished it looks awesome! I am considering the TP6 tailpiece like you have because I like the idea of easy quick minor tuning adjustments. To me that tailpiece seems like a no brainer. I like your video's, love your playing, rock on!
Hey Man….. finally took the leap of faith and added this to my SG…. Thanks for the tutorial….was spot on and am excited to play mine live now and give it the ultimate test… So far it’s been a revaluation…Thanks again dude…!!
You were curious in the video how others view your tips and advice, it was excellent, but you also reminded me of some of the most important principles of playing guitar: experimentation and finding what works for YOU. So i appreciate that. Thanks man. 🤘
Glad you enjoyed the message, thanks for watching! And great user name!
Dadrock 80 ....dude you are so right...i have never had a guitar that i didnt think i could make it better....its just r-n-r !!!!
I totally understand the pursuit of Gibson tuning stability. I have a les Paul with a bigsby and had to order a guitar nut buster and some rolling saddles to help.
Really appreciate your videos. Have an old Gibson explorer that I'm restoring. Followed you by installing the fine tuning tailpiece,the same string lock and also used a roller bridge. It's a fantastic set up and I thank you for your regular guy approach to this stuff sometimes people can be to technical and It can make you feel stupid. Great job, keep up the good work and thanks
Yo, the Floyd Rose FRX behind the nut lock has a cover for the truss rod built in🤘🏻
i got Nutbuster for about 60% of the price of kahler system and oh my god it's solid as stone
I also have a 2014 SGJ. I put chrome covers on lace passive pickups, added a pickgaurd, roller bridge, the string butler. And I love it. Gonna put a new graphite nut it at some point.
I did that to a Korean built epiphone sg we used Seymour duncan black winter pickups with duncan chrome covers and a Schaller stm roller bridge with grover locking tuners got custom pickguard cut for it and some q parts black pearl capped chrome ufo knobs I still want to get a tp-6 tailpiece for it tho
These we're standard on Kahlers back in the 80s. We used to swap it for Floyd locknuts. Better off going locking tuners and the tp bridge.
You can go all of it at the same time
Wow, I'm now thinking about putting one on my ESP E-ll. I play in Drop B, strung with 56's, haha.
Also, awesome content! I'll definitely be watching more from you!
+Jerald Ancheta Thank you! Let me know how it goes if you go through with it!
Get locking tuners (Kluson Revolution if you want an exact looking replacement) & a String Butler.
I got both of these for my LP and it still doesn't stay in tune when bending.
I have that exact same drill motor from my dad, gots hot asf if you use it more than a few minutes but I will hold on to it for laughs.
I like your personality bro. You just got a new sub. Keep rocking lml
Needed this video like yesterday.
To properly install the string lock on a Gibson headstock, you have to make a shim/wedge to level the string lock to prevent string binding in the lock itself.. The shim/wedge goes underneath the lock to retain the string angle from the nut to the capstans of the tuners..
Keep it up man
To experiment, I wonder if you just screwed down a cheap $7 Floyd lock nut assembly behind your nut and string through then lock. In theory it should work.
You should lock a few little string cutoffs into the locks slightly clamped then line those up with the grooves in the saddle when setting the location
Nice job-it's always good to experiment...
I personally use the TP-6 on all of my SG's and find that with my favorite Sperzel locking tuners there is no need for any additional drilling in the sg head stock which we all know with that healthy break angle are prone to snapping right in the general area of where those locks screw into the neck ...try it out see what you think?
Locking tuners and a tp6 is a great combo. I do that too.
thanks for nice review! nice playing as well. be carefull when you put strings back on to let them twist back into no torque (relaxed) position .. othervise if they end up twisted, they will change the pitch when hit. you can also see it when you hit low E string. the string is wobling in a strange way and you can hear being slightly changing pitch.
I use a string butler on a Les Paul and it hasnt fallen out of tune since! String locks not sure that is good on an angled head.
🤘 very nice. Thank you!
Lol... If you ever have the problem again where you did a quick service and want to save your old strings, just take the plate off the string lock and lay the flat part of the strings in. Then you just set your locking plate back and bolt it down. Much easier than fighting the curly-q's though there
just what I was looking for, thanks. I wonder if the locker also works well with lots of smaller strings bending.
Trust me you'll get WAY over little blemishes after a few years of doing what you're doing! I actually like working on and experimenting with mods and ideas. Nice job bud. Thx for sharing and not being a scared panzy with too much "non-mechanical I own no tools whatsoever my hands and manicured looking nails are pristine and where is the oil plug and how do you change wiper blades and OMG I got a flat tire............ lol just havin fun,...God Bless pal
As per Mr Kahler.....there has to be at least a 15% angle from the nut to the locker or you may have tuning problems. This is slightly different from a trem but could create tuning problems if you bend a lot.
Elaborate please?
I have a bigsby , roller bridhe and Ginson style kluson locking tuners on my LPJ Pro it stays in tune 100% . shoulda bought the tuners .
I used to have a BC Rich Bich in the late 80's that had a Kahler locking system like this. I couldn't use the bar with out the string getting snagged and going out of tune.
I hear ya, man. I've got a couple of old Dean V's that I put Kahler's on way back. Wish I never did it. Goes out of tune all the time...
This might work for a shit strat I have. Thanks for showing this off!
+12ealDeal No problem! Hope you have some high ratio tuning machines, because once these are locked you won't have any way to adjust your string tension.
Would have put a string butler , before drilling holes in a Gibson headstock.
Beautiful! change your tuners to Hipshot auto trim locking tuners so you don't have to struggle re-stringing those already bended wrap part, auto trim just cut it for you.
Well damn, if your gonna all start adding common sense logic or reason into the equation? When utilizing proper locking tuners, one wouldn't really even require the horrible string lock device drilled right into the guitars headstock, imagine that?...LoL...What even goes on here? :D
Deranged Hermit hahaha yes, or the best combo if you're a strat guy but wants the functionality of a super strat is either a (Hipshot contour bridge or super-vee bladerunner bridge) plus fender LSR roller nut and auto trim locking tuners..
Great tone. Is that an original riff you’re playing at the end? Nice
Sounds like he's just fucking around to hear it.
18:1 would give your strings nothing but love.
I have a couple of questions about the TP-6 Tailpiece. When you have the tuners set in the neutral position how much range does it have in pitch, ? If you set it up with the tuner in it's furthest position how far can you raise the pitch more than a whole step?
Pretty cool thing!! There's no solution for hipshot style bridges is there?
+Soulhenge Not that I know of unfortunately, or I would retrofit my LTD with it.
Still cant get over how he reminds me of billy from stranger things
Soulhenge Gear Reviews your hipshot gets out of tune?
Just my luck, I'm having problems with my last two strings and looking for a video and of course you go off camera.
Lol, if you're not strapped for cash, I would just cut them and be done with it
+Plague Scythe Studios That's not the problem. It has some kind of funky string lock that is not like any I've seen. This one looks close, I just wanted to see the string path.
Now that you’ve had some time with this setup, how would you rate the tuning stability when it comes to big string bends? I’m wanting to do the same thing to a guitar of mine.
Excelente trava tenho numa guitarra Jackson mas dá um trabalho para regular o tensor e trocar as cordas.
Now you could add some trem action with the Floyd Rose FRX \m/ dive bombs, whammy!!!
Richard Williams haha I just bought an FRX, used with no nut, which has me researching different locking nuts for a Gibson-style headstock and brought me to this video
He should route it and add a kahler \m/
Nice video, with that bridge with microtuner i can change the E string to D and reverse?
It's a good idea installing the kahler's stringlock without a bridge with finetuners??? i have a bigsby.
That would be a PITA. Sometimes the tuning goes slightly out when you lock down, and your guitar can still go out of tune. Without fine tuners it's a non starter because you need to unlock in order to tune.
Can you drop your 6° string only using the bridge fine tuner??
If you are going for "ultimate tuning stability", have you considered using Graphtech Stringsaver bridge saddles? Even if the strings are locked at the nut and secured firmly at the ball ends, the strings can still bind at the saddles, especially during bends. These will help to prevent that...
www.graphtech.com/products/brands/string-saver/string-saver-originals-tune-o-matics
Is there really any point in keeping the original nut though?? i feel like it would just be in the way. Those suckers will prolly pop off with a paint chipper w/ gibsons recent quality control lol. Then you could just glue it back on if need be.
The only other alternative would be to remove the factory nut and trim the fretboard
Giggity! XD
How does this make a difference in tuning stability vs just a good set of tuners?
+gunner murphy In an ideal situation with a perfect nut and tuning posts, no string slippage, etc, there would be no difference. The problem here and with most production guitars lies in string groove imperfections on the nut, but I would have to replace these shoddy machine heads as well to take advantage of any nut improvements. This essentially eliminates any chance for another tuning stability bottleneck to undo the point of the fine tuning bridge.
Onde comprar?
Can you use these for Super strat Fender guitar, 24 Frets?
why don't you try thinking about it yourself
Next time, clamp the nut to the headstock and just drill, on a very slow speed, the nut screw holes as a template.
Hey! Update on this? Perfectly in tune guitar for ever?
Still rocking in C standard!
@@PlagueScytheStudios Nice!
Thank you! there's no need to remove the nut?
No.it goes behind it like he said an did....lol.wow
Well, it’s been 4 years… do you still recommend it? Thanks
Hell. Yes.
You’re all in on this on the SG….. ? Been looking for something like this without the tremolo system….
my invention is better because what if you have a 1956 black beauty? I wouldn't wanna destroy the head stock at all.
So, what's the verdict? Are you still happy with this set up?
Very much so! Stability is great, and I can drop to Bb in a couple seconds flat.
Do they make a similar product for fenders?
I don't know of any locking single string saddle fine tuning system that wouldn't require a whole new bridge, like a Floyd rose or Kahler. If it existed, I would put one on my Tele
lol@ how metal is that. No ground or nothing
Bump this shit up a notch! Get a string butler.
+Ectoplasmic36 Haha, I don't know how I'd feel about throwing more trinkets on my headstock
But it comes in a black/chrome version!
I wouldn't see the necessity of having a string butler. The strings are locked at the nut already. Therefore, solving the problem of tuning stability already... it would be 50$ thrown in for not much if you have something that works perfectly fine for the moment...
Having jammed with this guitar for several hours this week, the string butler would definitely be overkill. I could throw this thing off a rooftop and it would probably still stay in tune haha
I can`t say whether this thing is silly or genius but I had 2 guitars wih toplocks and will never return to that system again)
Any one who thinks it's not necessary to put this on has obviously never tried recording with a Gibson. I won't touch a Gibson cuz they can't stay in tune for more than 5 seconds. Smart move Bro.
Why not just install some locking tuners?
Locking tuners do not increase tuning stability.
Seems like a waste of effort to me. I've messed around with Kahler string locks. I tried to replace the weird Ibanez top-lok II on a 1985 Pro-line (I also replaced the trem with a Kahler). Kahler stringl ock never "locked" the string properly. I am guessing it has something to do with the geometry of the whole setup (the original Ibanez thing does actually work). Then again that was non-angled headstock and yours is tilted. That probably makes all the difference.
So yeah Kahler string locks do at least work in theory, but depending on the application you can run into problems.
What I don't understand is why you would bother doing this on a guitar that has fixed bridge. The behind-the-nut string lock only eliminates slippage at the tuners, which is a problem. My Kahler equipped guitar doesn't stay in tune without it even though I have locking tuners (but maybe those are shitty). It works perfectly fine with them though. In any case if your bridge doesn't move this shouldn't really be an issue in the first place. Unless you are doing something really strange with your guitar.
Any issues with string slippage at the tuning peg on a fixed guitar could probably be remedied by changing how you actually wind the the strings around post or by using locking tuners. A string lock seems pretty unnecessary
Zerimas
Pretty sure he did it for tuning stability. Also, sounds like he’s tuned dropped down quite a bit. Once you’ve owned Floyd double locking systems, fixed bridges pale in comparison. I’ve got some high end hard tail guitars. And they can’t match the tuning stability of even my cheap guitars with locking systems. Are they horrible? No. But my guitars with Floyd’s never go out of tune. I may have to fiddle with a fine tuner once a week after aggressive playing. But they rarely ever go out. Once you’ve experienced this type of tuning stability, it’s only natural that you would want this for all your guitars. I’m putting a T6 tailpiece on my les Paul. Now I just need to man-up and drill the headstock for the Kahler lock nut. Or I may go with a Floyd lock nut from the FRX system. It has a cover plate for the truss rod 🤘🏻
@@Wargasm644 I've got so many FRs except none made by Floyd Rose. I've got a few Ibanez Edges and Yamaha RM-Pro. The Yamaha unit is super fancy. It pivots on needle bearings. The strings feed through the back and then you tighten to secure the very clamps they've got going on.
I think it is pretty cool, but it must have been expensive and it doesn't stay in tune any better than the much less complicated standard FR design (both stay in tune). It is much nicer to use and change strings on though.
Zerimas
Floyd’s can be a real pain in the ass. That’s why most people have a negative view on them. But if you know how to dial them in, they are the best tuning stability money can offer. Even if you block the trem and just use it as a regular bridge. I keep mine full floating because I like the versatility. The edge system is pretty good. As are some models of Kahler. Haven’t heard of the system on your Yamaha. I’ll have to check it out. But most tremolo systems can be a challenge to most. But once you become knowledgeable on how they operate and how to set them up, hard tails just seem archaic.
@@Wargasm644 This one is good because it has the saddles on a threaded rod (like a strat trem would) in addition to the bolts to lock them down. Adjusting the intonation is much easier than a regular Floyd. The fine-tuners are more effective too. The thumbscrews have a finer thread pitch and the whole arrangement is slightly different. They work on the same principle as the Floyd, but instead of having the fine tuners press on the bolts which then tip the saddle the screws just push on a protrusion that this actually part of the saddle/clamp (because the thing is clamped down from the top so there are no bolts sticking out from the back).
It's pretty slick.
Zerimas
You’ve got the Yamaha RM 2 (Rockin’ Magic 2) from the 80’s from what I can research. A few articles state that that they were licensed from Floyd Rose. Interesting. Looks and sounds like a good system . There was some cool tech from the 80’s that just fell to the way side. Like the fine tuner tailpiece in this video. Made by Gibson in the USA . And you’d think more people would prefer them? Yet been out of production for over 30 years. I’ve ordered one for my Les Paul. I also remember all my 80’s “pointy” guitars had kahlers on them. Strange how the just lost so much market share. They were good systems. That Yamaha of yours sounds really cool. You may want to stock up on parts for it if it’s an important guitar too you. Unless you’re like me and keep all your stuff in mint condition 😂. Thanks for sharing
Do they make these in matte black??????
They do, but they are few and far between. You may have th best luck direct from Kahler.
Yeah i want to put one on a wylde guitar thanks. Nice video btw
yup, check ebay
Why are you not bending the strings when you are testing it?
These days you can just buy a String Butler and be good.
I paid $31 for the same bridge last year brand new.you got ripped off
I made a prototype version of my patented "keyless locks" that replaces the screws in these Kahler locks. You can see it here on my Facebook page facebook.com/tonevise/photos/a.228791827532834.1073741829.228029630942387/242756072803076/?type=3&theater
That's sick man, when will they be available for purchase?
They're coming soon. The Floyd Rose locking nuts should be available from Allparts dealers next week or so. The Kahler style will be next.
The best guitar is a Custom Guitar !
He said that the headstock on that sg is better than a headstock with straight string pull... what!?! Roflmao
No matter what the cost of the guitar that still makes me nervous....
Now you just need a kahler tremolo to really mess it up..lol.
Drinking that H8terade
Man u should see what i did with a les paul Jr hahaha i call it the were paul
ladies and gentlemen..... NOT A HANDY MAN.....
Just buy a nutbuster and you don't have to drill the neck of your guitar.
Imagine when you wouldnt need a headstock and did all the tuning with the tailpiece, no more broken headstcocks and sad gibson fans
Your drill is from the 1960s? Hmmm... My drill came from a family friend who fought D-Day in Normandy France during World War 2 and sadly the owner passed away back in 2009 and gave me his drill before his passing. It has metal housing that occasionally zaps you while using it. It has a metal flip switch on the side of the upper housing and has too much torque to allow you to use a Philips screwdriver bit that only strips the head of the screw into pure shrapnel. God bless my dangerous drill from the 1940s that will probably kill me by the neglected hazard of electrocution and only has excessive amounts of torque that drills in seconds and renders screws onto metal filings... God bless those old crazy men who kept their tools way past safety obstructing states of jimmy-rigged repair done to their flaky electrical tape wrapped cords and potential fire hazard causing questionable two pronged plugs. If we are succumbed to whatever fate due to our inherited power tools, god bless us too... ... That's all I have to say. I am scared to death to use my drill, but holes ain't gonna drill themselves, right? At least i will appear to be wearing aqua-net at my own viewing if this is my undoing.
Anyway, back onto the meat and less of the potatoes of the videos subject wise, I was wondering if you are adding extra stability to your guitar maybe for a Kahler Tremolo installation for Gibson type bridges? Or maybe a retrofitting tremolo, like a Stetsbar, that requires no extra routing or guitar modifications? Just wondering. I was always looking into Stetbars and Kahlers as potential tremolos for my sustainiac equipped guitar and maybe if I ever get myself a Les Paul Custom in the future.
Yeah, I'm blabbing on and this video is from a few years back, I apologize for not just clicking on your TH-cam channel and maybe browsing it to find newer videos that answer my series of questions and just find out without posting a long comment.... Then, if I just only did that, I wouldn't have shared old inherited power tool stories with you...
...eh.. sorry.. I'm sure your drill got an impressive collection of stories behind it too. God bless those crazy old codgers who give us their old beat tools.
You absolutely didn't havta take the strings off man.why didn't you just loosen them and then slip them off to the side of the nut.alot less work and time
Unless you can't take th top plate off the kahler...so I could be wrong...great video and I love your drill.that is fucking heavy metal for real...lol
17:14 He said nut grease
jesus christ hahaha
Doesn't look that great , but if it works for you then fine.