Hi Kevin. Absolutely but the video was about the UK driving licences, not the correct hitching technique. At 1:48 I was in the prosses of raising the jockey wheel to ensure it is firmly attached and stored out of the way. However the video was about the UK driving licence, not the correct hitching technique. There were several other steps you could have criticised, I missed out the electric connections and so forth, because I was introducing the subject of the video, licences. But thank you for making a safety point for the uninitiated.
I've been searching for a comprehensive breakdown of this information for quite some time, really glad you uploaded this as it's been a really helpful video, thank you.
Hi Emma, making this video helped me understand this information. I draw diagrams for myself on paper, or in my mind, to understand complex ideas. The graphics are my thought processes and my way of remembering facts. I did wonder if other people think and remember thing like I do. I am now reassured that I am not alone. Thank you for the feedback. It helps me understand how to communicate better.
Hi Jonathan. It is amazing how many people buy a caravan and then discover they have the wrong car and the wrong licence to pull it. But now the salesmen can't get one over on you.
Absolutely priceless info can't believe morons have given this q thumbs down without reason anyone new to caravaning or want to stay legal then this is priceless thanx again for you time and effort and explained in the simplest form
Hi nova world, thank you for the feedback. I worried that it would be too technical for the average viewer but after talking to several car sales staff, who gave me advise in regards to what is a good tow car for me to buy, without asking me when I passed my test, or if I was over 70, i.e. have I retained my full entitlement on my old car licence by taking the tests i.e. eyesight and health etc. To be fair to them, perhaps I look too young for that last question, I do hope so. But one car sales manager had me fuming when he quoted the towing law wrongly and when challenged about his dangerous advice said, "I know everything about towing, because I come from farming stock." I said, my father and brothers are pianist's but I cant play the piano. My caravan dealer was very good and quickly checked that I was not going to buy the wrong caravan for my licence or my tow vehicle's kerb weight. I respect that man and took his advice seriously and because of that. He got a sale.
UsefulWisdom hi ian don't think it was in any form technical you said it in the best layman's terms you would do I remember when we first looked at buying a caravan and trawling through the endless paperwork and details that are around it was just a mass of figures it's not an easy thing to.explain and I personally think you have done well Many thanks ian
Hi nova world1, I feel sorry for new drivers who are limited to a low tow weight. They can take further driving test but they are expensive. The caravan and motor industry are probably working on reducing weights for this segment of the market and this could be good for everybody. I have noticed a gradual reduction in the weight of caravans over the years. Funny when you think of it, I am happy to pay more to buy less (weight).
@@UsefulWisdom never goto a salesman for legal advice. they want your money. they not bothered if you are legal or not. always refer to someone in the know. Like myself. Farming towing limits are completely different to road towing limits. you can drive a 18 ton tractor at the age of 16 and unsupervised too.
Great and useful video, thanks. One useful tip though (learned the hard way), NEVER put your mover control down on the A frame, floor, top of the car or anywhere else other than your pocket! If you do, one day you will forget it...until you get home or to your next pitch.
Very good film well thought out and put together 👍 I’m a HGV driver and first time caravaner I’m amazed that in my research and questions to some caravan owners in service stations ( sometimes a lot of time to kill) that a lot of people don’t understand their towing weights and combinations or just simply loading options , looks a great set up you have with the discovery bet it tows really well my van arrives in August looking forward it
Hi Gavin. Thank you. There is a famous quite, from George Chapman 1654, "the law is an ass." So nothing has changed since then. It is becoming more complicated. It is no wonder that so many people are confused. I would like to propose a new law that made politicians make the law simpler to understand. Yes my Land Rover is a good tow car. The only drawback to it is the satnav that should have a setting for towing a trailer or caravan. I have to use my android tablet, as a satnav and create custom routes with a free app. We are happy with our Bailey Caravan. The mark 2 and 3 Unicorn are wonderful. The new Bailey Unicorn is not to our taste. The sink is a pudding bole. Come on Bailey, you can sort this out next year.
heggie Hog67 Thank you for the feedback. I like TH-cam videos that explain the facts quickly. Some TH-cam creators drag the information out. People often know some of the facts and want to speed through to the information that is relevant to them. Then study the relevant information in detail. A sort of speed reading technique. So I have been interested in seeing the reaction in my TH-cam stats.
9:50 "car tow ball max weight must not exceed the minimum caravan nose weight." You've got that the wrong way round. (I had to listen to this 4 times to be sure!) Tow ball max weight must be over minimum nose weight so that enough nose weight does not overload the tow ball. Caravan nose weight is added to GVW of the car - so if car is a bit light, let the caravan add the weight by loading the caravan more to the front.
Very interesting to see the differences on the other side of the pond. Those regulations seem very limiting. I'm curious now what the limits are in other areas of the world. For those that are interested here are the regulations with a standard drivers license where I am from (Ontario Canada) Max combined length: 23m (75.5') Max combined weight: 11000kg (24250lbs) Anything beyond that requires commercial licensing.
Thank you for the information Jimbo. The UK's roads were left to us by the Roman Empire some 2000 years ago. They were improved in the middle ages to take carts with an axel width of 4 foot 8 and one half inches. Even the iron horses of the industrial revolution used these measurements (for their railway carriages). Things changed in the last century when the motorways were built but most of our infrastructure is of the narrow type. This could account for our regulations. So what did the Roman Empire ever do for us? It gave us narrow roads.
Hi,great video!can you tell me please what tipe of license I need to tow a boat on trailer total mass 1800kg with my hiunday santa fe witch have 2000kg, in total is 3800kg,I pass the test in 2008, thank you very much
Hi cipri bolos, interesting question. You write you passed your test in 2008 but was this test taken in the UK and are you wanting to tow this trailer in the UK? Also how old are you and what driving category did this test cover?
Hobby prestige 720 ukfe 2022 is I think: Mass in Running Order weight: 1814 kgs Maximum allowable weight is: 2000 kgs Range Rover sport kerb weight is: 2,385 to 2,810 kg So if the numbers above are correct, the answer is Yes.
Hi . @@yasminbaker6479 Very interesting.The GOV.UK website states: the maximum length for a trailer towed by a vehicle weighing up to 3,500kg is 7 metres. But this length does not include the A-frame. The 720 UKFE Prestige is 7,856mm (according to www.downshirecaravans.com/2022-ukfe-prestige). That probably included the A-frame. So if the A-frame is less than 856mm it can be towed by your Range Rover Sport. You need to measure it.
Hi Mr J 77. If you have a HGV class one licence you can tow a 1900 Kg trailer on your licence. Your car is heavier than the trailer, so you should be OK, if: A WORD OF WARNING, is your car capable of towing this weight trailer? Does your car' tow bar and its a nose weight matches this trailer? Some big cars have a surprisingly small noes weight. The Jaguar all electric I-Pace for example, (a fantastic car) weighs well over 2 tons, but it has a tow bar that is only rated for 750 Kg. There are many other large vehicles that fall into this bracket. Look in your vehicles hand book before you hitch up. Have fun but be careful.
@@Jim77463 again, you are a professional driver like myself and should know where to look and how to interpret weight plates on vehicles , ie axle 1,2, train weight. All the info you need is attached to the towing vehicle and the trailer being towed.
5 - 7% trailer weight on the tongue??? WOW In North America we tow with at least 10% minimum on the tongue and 15% is even better. But we do have equalization hitches that distribute the weight over all axles. Also sway control. Here, there seems to be a problem with too long a light weight trailer and the wind catches them and physics takes over and flips them. EG: 35' trailer weighing only around 7000 lbs. Way too light for it's length. Maybe some gov't agency will eventually look at this . . .
Not true. Cars are cars everywhere, and obey the same technical/phisical rules. I think you are missinformed, please document yourself, it may just spare you of some serious and potentially hazardous situations. Best regards!
@@millomweb a certain amount of tongue weight is required for trailer stability. Even when I am using a sway control system I would never consider going under 10% of the trailer weight on the hitch. That usually amounts to 1,000 to 1,500 lbs of tongue weight for a 10,000 lb GVW trailer (Enclosed car hauler - 3,800 lbs empty).
Hi E Abuhasbu. Mobile phones are very clever and one day somebody will make an app for the motor mover but until then we have to use the dedicated remote control.
At 7:10 you say “the car towing can’t be lighter than the trailer you’re towing. And that’s a legal requirement.” This is incorrect. I’m not disputing the safety aspect. You would be foolish to do so but you can do so legally. My Vauxhall Movano has a GVW of 3500kg and a Max towing capacity of 2000kg. But empty it’s kerb weight is 1853kg. So legally the van can weigh less than the trailer.
Hi Gareth. All these numbers are there to inform you.Your Vauxhall Movano's weight less than 1853kg with an empty fuel tank, it probably weighs more than this when full of passengers. That is why you have these 2 weights. Gareth if your towing at the absolute limit of the law without any safety margin in your weights, you need to calculate the changing weight of your vehicle. For example, when all the passengers get out and the fuel tank is empty, what you can then legally tow is much less. So Gareth, why do you think the law requires manufacturers to stamp these 2 weights on your car's VIN plate? Why don't they simply quote the highest finger they can?
Hi, I spotted an error you made in your facts at 2.22 into the video. C1E license does NOT cover your Range Rover and Caravan as your Range Rover has a gross weight of less than 3500kgs. So therefore a class B vehicle (car) which is any vehicle or combination of vehicles up to a maximum authorised mass of 3500kgs plus 750kg trailer giving a total potential of 4250kgs including a small light weight trailer. This means that anyone with a car (class B) license from the age of 18 can drive for example a 2010 Vauxhall Zafira 1.6 litre petrol engine that has a gross plated vehicle weight of 2090kgs. Therefore that allows the driver of a class B to tow a braked trailer or caravan up to a MAM (gross plated weight) of no more than 1410kgs providing that this does not exceed the manufactures limit as printed in the V5 or on the vin plate when you take away weight 1 (car max weight) from weight 2 (train weight) if lower. Which in the case of a 2010 Vauxhall Zafira mentioned above which has a 1000kg braked trailer limit which mean, even myself with a HGV class 1 license can only tow a maximum of 1000kgs using my class B+E. The difference between the Class B and Class B+E drivers is down to how they are enforced. Dave for example has a Class B license and has passed his driving test in 2009. Driving the car above. He can tow a braked trailer that has a plated weight of no more than 1000kgs as on his license, it goes on the maximum potential weight John passed his car test in 1996 and he has Class B, Class B+E, Class C1, Class C1E with 107 restriction, Class D1. He can still only tow a trailer with a heavier plated weight but the trailer and contents still can not exceed 1000kgs ACTUAL weight. Class B vehicles are any vehicle that has no more than 8 passenger seats with a gross weight of 3500kgs plus 750kgs trailer (4250kgs). Example, a Ford Transit van towing a small light weight trailer. Or any vehicle and braked trailer combination where the maximum plated combined weight does not exceed 3500kgs combined. Example any car or van that has a gross plated weight 2000kgs with a braked trailer with plated weight not exceeding 1500kgs giving the total of 3500kgs as long as it does not exceed the towing limit of the tow vehicle. Class B+E vehicles are a combination of vehicles up to a maximum gross of 7000kgs (where plated weights allow) where the towing vehicle must not be plated more than 3500kgs gross weight and no more than 8 passenger seats and the total outfit is more than 3500kgs combined. For example. Your Range Rover and your caravan is within class B+E Class C1 vehicles are vehicles that are greater than 3500kgs gross weight on their own and with no more than 8 passenger seats plus a small trailer of upto 750kgs giving a total of 8250kgs. Example a 7500kgs gross weight lorry towing a trailer mounted generator upto 750kgs. Class C1E with 107 restriction (grandad right) is a combination of any vehicle that is greater than 3500kgs plated gross weight and any trailer giving a combined weight of 8250kgs similar to class C1 above except with C1 you can only tow 750kgs total. With C1E with 107 restriction you can tow heavier braked trailers. Example, driving a motorhome with a gross weight of 5500kgs pulling a braked trailer upto 2750kgs. 5500kgs+2750kgs=8250kgs Class C1E without 107 restriction is a combination of vehicles that can be upto 12000kgs gross weight but where the tow vehicle falls in Class C1 which are lorries and/or large motorhomes that are heavier than 3500kgs gross. The last major change in driving licenses was 1st January 1997. There was a subtle change in January 2013 but that was just a change in the wording and the rule actually remains the same as the 1997 rule. This was my specialist field when I worked as a traffic enforcement officer during my time working for VOSA/DVSA. Any other legal facts you like to check regarding licensing and vehicle weights. Just give me a shout.
@@UsefulWisdom at first glance I assumed it was a range rover lol still in the class B license vehicle lol I only noticed it was a discovery after watching the remainder of the video.
Hi Stephen Campbell My disco is quite heavy so anybody with a cat B licence could only tow around about 1100 Kg. There are caravans manufactured and plated with that as a Maximum Permitted Technical Mass. However I passed my test before the cat B licence came in. Licences are similar to MOTs. The rules are set by the date of manufacture, hence historical cars that predated the MOT requirements for say seat belt anchor points can still be driven on the UK roads without the occupants needing to wear them. If they aren’t fit to the car, it is after all impossible to wear them? The same principle of law applies to driving licences. Hence my licence was not down plated to a 3500 Kg train weight when cat B started. That is until I reach the age of 70. I like everybody in the UK have to then take and pay for a HGV medical examination each year to keep it. Or reapply for a cat B licence to continue driving. 😀
@@UsefulWisdom I used to drive a Disco when I was patrolling the M6 and M62 with DVSA. They are good tow cars. Alhough. The Discos we drove were beefed up due to extra kit we had to carry. I think if memory serves me they were up plated to 3300kg. However, highways agency Discos (highways agency are not traffic enforcement officers like DVSA) Their Discos are even more beefed up and some of them have an air compressor built into them so they can be used to tow a fully laden artic from a live lane to a hard shoulder or any safe area if needed. They tend to burn through a lot of clutches though but only towed them when if there was unsafe not too.
Hi , @@stevecampbell7589 my vehicle is a Discovery Sport, not a Discovery. The Discovery has a greater wade depth and is heavier than the Sport. Stephen, was this the TH-cam video of you?: Police Land Rover Pulls Lorry th-cam.com/video/ym8uNl_T9gk/w-d-xo.html Who is going to argue the toss about the tow weights in this scenario but if there were to be an accent with another vehicle, well, I would like to here what Jasper Carrott (the comedian) would make of it: "I was towing a 44 Tonnes Vehicle with my land rover discovery (kerb weight 2,161 to 2,311 kg tonne) when I was assaulted by a car". "When questioned and cautioned the driver who assaulted me said". "What the hell do you think your are doing, do you not know about the 85% Kerb Weight Rule, I am reporting you to the Caravan Club Officer". Please see below TH-cam video as an example of what Jasper Carrott would say on this subject: Jasper Carrott - Insurance Claim Form Statements th-cam.com/video/hhDwz2bmey0/w-d-xo.html
more then half the oldies with grandad rights think they can tow because they have the licence when most of them cant drive without a trailer/ caravan in the first place
Hi BroadSword93, please excuse me but you have totally lost me with your comment. It does not make any sense. I quote you, "most of them cant drive without a trailer/ caravan in the first place". Do you mean that some people who passed their test in a car before 1 January 1997 are having to towing a caravan because they can't drive without one? Or is there a deeper meaning to the word, cant that you have used? For your information word cant, I looked it up for you online, and here is the link: en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/cant Its meaning is: Hypocritical and sanctimonious talk, typically of a moral, religious, or political nature. ‘He had no time for the cant of the priests about sin’
European law for towing are great... with the correct nose weight you are like death weapon on the road LOL. Just with incorrect nose weight you keep safe and stable on the road. Where is the logic?
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1st mistake. When hitching up to the car the jockey wheel should be raised after the hitch is located on the ball to ensure it is firmly attached.
Hi Kevin. Absolutely but the video was about the UK driving licences, not the correct hitching technique. At 1:48 I was in the prosses of raising the jockey wheel to ensure it is firmly attached and stored out of the way. However the video was about the UK driving licence, not the correct hitching technique. There were several other steps you could have criticised, I missed out the electric connections and so forth, because I was introducing the subject of the video, licences. But thank you for making a safety point for the uninitiated.
I've been searching for a comprehensive breakdown of this information for quite some time, really glad you uploaded this as it's been a really helpful video, thank you.
Hi Emma, making this video helped me understand this information. I draw diagrams for myself on paper, or in my mind, to understand complex ideas. The graphics are my thought processes and my way of remembering facts. I did wonder if other people think and remember thing like I do. I am now reassured that I am not alone. Thank you for the feedback. It helps me understand how to communicate better.
Great video, thanks for taking the time to post. I’ve just bought a caravan and this has been really helpful 👏🏻👍🏻
Thank you ejmo14559. Have fun in your new home from home.😀
Very comprehensive information, clearly explained, thanks for sharing..Graham
Thank you Graham. Towing is fun, but if you don't understand the rules, it gets too exiting.
Wowser! Things you didn’t know you didn’t know :) Thanks - we’re about to buy a caravan and now I know what to look out for.
Hi Jonathan. It is amazing how many people buy a caravan and then discover they have the wrong car and the wrong licence to pull it. But now the salesmen can't get one over on you.
Absolutely priceless info can't believe morons have given this q thumbs down without reason anyone new to caravaning or want to stay legal then this is priceless thanx again for you time and effort and explained in the simplest form
Hi nova world, thank you for the feedback. I worried that it would be too technical for the average viewer but after talking to several car sales staff, who gave me advise in regards to what is a good tow car for me to buy, without asking me when I passed my test, or if I was over 70, i.e. have I retained my full entitlement on my old car licence by taking the tests i.e. eyesight and health etc.
To be fair to them, perhaps I look too young for that last question, I do hope so. But one car sales manager had me fuming when he quoted the towing law wrongly and when challenged about his dangerous advice said, "I know everything about towing, because I come from farming stock." I said, my father and brothers are pianist's but I cant play the piano.
My caravan dealer was very good and quickly checked that I was not going to buy the wrong caravan for my licence or my tow vehicle's kerb weight. I respect that man and took his advice seriously and because of that. He got a sale.
UsefulWisdom hi ian don't think it was in any form technical you said it in the best layman's terms you would do I remember when we first looked at buying a caravan and trawling through the endless paperwork and details that are around it was just a mass of figures it's not an easy thing to.explain and I personally think you have done well
Many thanks ian
Hi nova world1, I feel sorry for new drivers who are limited to a low tow weight. They can take further driving test but they are expensive. The caravan and motor industry are probably working on reducing weights for this segment of the market and this could be good for everybody. I have noticed a gradual reduction in the weight of caravans over the years. Funny when you think of it, I am happy to pay more to buy less (weight).
@@UsefulWisdom never goto a salesman for legal advice. they want your money. they not bothered if you are legal or not. always refer to someone in the know. Like myself. Farming towing limits are completely different to road towing limits. you can drive a 18 ton tractor at the age of 16 and unsupervised too.
Great and useful video, thanks. One useful tip though (learned the hard way), NEVER put your mover control down on the A frame, floor, top of the car or anywhere else other than your pocket! If you do, one day you will forget it...until you get home or to your next pitch.
Hi Caravan Travels. Thanks for the tip, there are so may things to do it is easy to forget where the mover control went.😀
Excellent information. Thanks a lot!
Your welcome.
Very good film well thought out and put together 👍 I’m a HGV driver and first time caravaner I’m amazed that in my research and questions to some caravan owners in service stations ( sometimes a lot of time to kill) that a lot of people don’t understand their towing weights and combinations or just simply loading options , looks a great set up you have with the discovery bet it tows really well my van arrives in August looking forward it
Hi Gavin. Thank you. There is a famous quite, from George Chapman 1654, "the law is an ass." So nothing has changed since then. It is becoming more complicated. It is no wonder that so many people are confused. I would like to propose a new law that made politicians make the law simpler to understand.
Yes my Land Rover is a good tow car. The only drawback to it is the satnav that should have a setting for towing a trailer or caravan. I have to use my android tablet, as a satnav and create custom routes with a free app.
We are happy with our Bailey Caravan. The mark 2 and 3 Unicorn are wonderful. The new Bailey Unicorn is not to our taste. The sink is a pudding bole. Come on Bailey, you can sort this out next year.
great Video , very useful info . thanks
heggie Hog67 Thank you for the feedback. I like TH-cam videos that explain the facts quickly. Some TH-cam creators drag the information out. People often know some of the facts and want to speed through to the information that is relevant to them. Then study the relevant information in detail. A sort of speed reading technique. So I have been interested in seeing the reaction in my TH-cam stats.
Very useful thank you
Thank you Jimmy. We do our best,😀
You should work for the DVLA and dvsa as you have made more sense in this video then I have ever got from them thank you
Hi JDKCARS. I tried to apply for a job but the DVLAs application form was in gobbledygook and I speak English.👍
Thanks!
Your welcome. 🙂
In Sweden you can drive a 5 ton car with a 750 kg trailer on b license. With be/ce i can drive a car and trailer with a total weight of 4330 kg.
Thank you for the information Sir.
9:50 "car tow ball max weight must not exceed the minimum caravan nose weight."
You've got that the wrong way round. (I had to listen to this 4 times to be sure!)
Tow ball max weight must be over minimum nose weight so that enough nose weight does not overload the tow ball.
Caravan nose weight is added to GVW of the car - so if car is a bit light, let the caravan add the weight by loading the caravan more to the front.
Very interesting to see the differences on the other side of the pond. Those regulations seem very limiting. I'm curious now what the limits are in other areas of the world. For those that are interested here are the regulations with a standard drivers license where I am from (Ontario Canada)
Max combined length: 23m (75.5')
Max combined weight: 11000kg (24250lbs)
Anything beyond that requires commercial licensing.
Thank you for the information Jimbo. The UK's roads were left to us by the Roman Empire some 2000 years ago. They were improved in the middle ages to take carts with an axel width of 4 foot 8 and one half inches. Even the iron horses of the industrial revolution used these measurements (for their railway carriages). Things changed in the last century when the motorways were built but most of our infrastructure is of the narrow type. This could account for our regulations. So what did the Roman Empire ever do for us? It gave us narrow roads.
Hi,great video!can you tell me please what tipe of license I need to tow a boat on trailer total mass 1800kg with my hiunday santa fe witch have 2000kg, in total is 3800kg,I pass the test in 2008, thank you very much
Hi cipri bolos, interesting question. You write you passed your test in 2008 but was this test taken in the UK and are you wanting to tow this trailer in the UK? Also how old are you and what driving category did this test cover?
Law has changed since.
Thank you and you are correct (to a point) However, Isaac Newton's law is here to stay.
so if i have a car that weighs 1400=kg ans a caravan that weighs 1200=kg i am well within the legal limits ?
Hi norman livesey. To be able to answer your question. You need to tell me the Kerb Weight and the Gross Vehicle Weight of the car. 🙄
How does the UK deal with tow vehicles that weigh more than 3,500 kg?
Good question Rich. You need to take an additional driving test for towing. I think this driving test costs £115.00, which is paid to the DVSA.
Hi I have a question if anybody could help please is it legal to tow a hobby prestige 720 ukfe 2022 with a Range Rover sport?
Hobby prestige 720 ukfe 2022 is I think: Mass in Running Order weight: 1814 kgs
Maximum allowable weight is: 2000 kgs
Range Rover sport kerb weight is: 2,385 to 2,810 kg
So if the numbers above are correct, the answer is Yes.
@@UsefulWisdom hi but the hobby is over 9 metres long and on Google it states that you can’t tow over 7 metres excluding the a frame
Hi . @@yasminbaker6479 Very interesting.The GOV.UK website states: the maximum length for a trailer towed by a vehicle weighing up to 3,500kg is 7 metres. But this length does not include the A-frame.
The 720 UKFE Prestige is 7,856mm (according to www.downshirecaravans.com/2022-ukfe-prestige). That probably included the A-frame. So if the A-frame is less than 856mm it can be towed by your Range Rover Sport. You need to measure it.
Hi you seem in the know! I have a hgv1 licence and passed car test before 1996. Our car weighs 2285 could I pull a hobby at 1900
Hi Mr J 77. If you have a HGV class one licence you can tow a 1900 Kg trailer on your licence. Your car is heavier than the trailer, so you should be OK, if:
A WORD OF WARNING, is your car capable of towing this weight trailer? Does your car' tow bar and its a nose weight matches this trailer? Some big cars have a surprisingly small noes weight. The Jaguar all electric I-Pace for example, (a fantastic car) weighs well over 2 tons, but it has a tow bar that is only rated for 750 Kg. There are many other large vehicles that fall into this bracket. Look in your vehicles hand book before you hitch up. Have fun but be careful.
If you have passed a class 1 test and you don't know the answer already to this you shouldn't be on the road 😜
@@1983lparker it’s the legality of the weight of the trailer to the car I was asking
@@Jim77463 again, you are a professional driver like myself and should know where to look and how to interpret weight plates on vehicles , ie axle 1,2, train weight. All the info you need is attached to the towing vehicle and the trailer being towed.
5 - 7% trailer weight on the tongue??? WOW In North America we tow with at least 10% minimum on the tongue and 15% is even better. But we do have equalization hitches that distribute the weight over all axles. Also sway control. Here, there seems to be a problem with too long a light weight trailer and the wind catches them and physics takes over and flips them. EG: 35' trailer weighing only around 7000 lbs. Way too light for it's length. Maybe some gov't agency will eventually look at this . . .
Hi nwnapper8. Thank you for sharing that with the UK. You also have different rules about trailer braking systems.
Not true. Cars are cars everywhere, and obey the same technical/phisical rules. I think you are missinformed, please document yourself, it may just spare you of some serious and potentially hazardous situations. Best regards!
@@motorhead16 But trailer hitches aren't the same all over the place !
@@millomweb a certain amount of tongue weight is required for trailer stability. Even when I am using a sway control system I would never consider going under 10% of the trailer weight on the hitch. That usually amounts to 1,000 to 1,500 lbs of tongue weight for a 10,000 lb GVW trailer (Enclosed car hauler - 3,800 lbs empty).
@@rich7447 We do things differently here in the UK !
Did he use his phone to move his trailer?
Hi E Abuhasbu. Mobile phones are very clever and one day somebody will make an app for the motor mover but until then we have to use the dedicated remote control.
@@UsefulWisdom Heard about these. First time I've seen them in use.
At 7:10 you say “the car towing can’t be lighter than the trailer you’re towing. And that’s a legal requirement.” This is incorrect. I’m not disputing the safety aspect. You would be foolish to do so but you can do so legally.
My Vauxhall Movano has a GVW of 3500kg and a Max towing capacity of 2000kg. But empty it’s kerb weight is 1853kg. So legally the van can weigh less than the trailer.
Hi Gareth. All these numbers are there to inform you.Your Vauxhall Movano's weight less than 1853kg with an empty fuel tank, it probably weighs more than this when full of passengers. That is why you have these 2 weights. Gareth if your towing at the absolute limit of the law without any safety margin in your weights, you need to calculate the changing weight of your vehicle. For example, when all the passengers get out and the fuel tank is empty, what you can then legally tow is much less. So Gareth, why do you think the law requires manufacturers to stamp these 2 weights on your car's VIN plate? Why don't they simply quote the highest finger they can?
Hi, I spotted an error you made in your facts at 2.22 into the video.
C1E license does NOT cover your Range Rover and Caravan as your Range Rover has a gross weight of less than 3500kgs. So therefore a class B vehicle (car) which is any vehicle or combination of vehicles up to a maximum authorised mass of 3500kgs plus 750kg trailer giving a total potential of 4250kgs including a small light weight trailer.
This means that anyone with a car (class B) license from the age of 18 can drive for example a 2010 Vauxhall Zafira 1.6 litre petrol engine that has a gross plated vehicle weight of 2090kgs. Therefore that allows the driver of a class B to tow a braked trailer or caravan up to a MAM (gross plated weight) of no more than 1410kgs providing that this does not exceed the manufactures limit as printed in the V5 or on the vin plate when you take away weight 1 (car max weight) from weight 2 (train weight) if lower. Which in the case of a 2010 Vauxhall Zafira mentioned above which has a 1000kg braked trailer limit which mean, even myself with a HGV class 1 license can only tow a maximum of 1000kgs using my class B+E.
The difference between the Class B and Class B+E drivers is down to how they are enforced.
Dave for example has a Class B license and has passed his driving test in 2009. Driving the car above. He can tow a braked trailer that has a plated weight of no more than 1000kgs as on his license, it goes on the maximum potential weight
John passed his car test in 1996 and he has Class B, Class B+E, Class C1, Class C1E with 107 restriction, Class D1.
He can still only tow a trailer with a heavier plated weight but the trailer and contents still can not exceed 1000kgs ACTUAL weight.
Class B vehicles are any vehicle that has no more than 8 passenger seats with a gross weight of 3500kgs plus 750kgs trailer (4250kgs). Example, a Ford Transit van towing a small light weight trailer.
Or any vehicle and braked trailer combination where the maximum plated combined weight does not exceed 3500kgs combined. Example any car or van that has a gross plated weight 2000kgs with a braked trailer with plated weight not exceeding 1500kgs giving the total of 3500kgs as long as it does not exceed the towing limit of the tow vehicle.
Class B+E vehicles are a combination of vehicles up to a maximum gross of 7000kgs (where plated weights allow) where the towing vehicle must not be plated more than 3500kgs gross weight and no more than 8 passenger seats and the total outfit is more than 3500kgs combined. For example. Your Range Rover and your caravan is within class B+E
Class C1 vehicles are vehicles that are greater than 3500kgs gross weight on their own and with no more than 8 passenger seats plus a small trailer of upto 750kgs giving a total of 8250kgs. Example a 7500kgs gross weight lorry towing a trailer mounted generator upto 750kgs.
Class C1E with 107 restriction (grandad right) is a combination of any vehicle that is greater than 3500kgs plated gross weight and any trailer giving a combined weight of 8250kgs similar to class C1 above except with C1 you can only tow 750kgs total. With C1E with 107 restriction you can tow heavier braked trailers. Example, driving a motorhome with a gross weight of 5500kgs pulling a braked trailer upto 2750kgs. 5500kgs+2750kgs=8250kgs
Class C1E without 107 restriction is a combination of vehicles that can be upto 12000kgs gross weight but where the tow vehicle falls in Class C1 which are lorries and/or large motorhomes that are heavier than 3500kgs gross.
The last major change in driving licenses was 1st January 1997. There was a subtle change in January 2013 but that was just a change in the wording and the rule actually remains the same as the 1997 rule.
This was my specialist field when I worked as a traffic enforcement officer during my time working for VOSA/DVSA.
Any other legal facts you like to check regarding licensing and vehicle weights. Just give me a shout.
Stephen, sorry you are wrong, you don't know the difference between a Range Rover and my Land Rover Discovery Sport. Perhaps you need more training.
@@UsefulWisdom at first glance I assumed it was a range rover lol still in the class B license vehicle lol I only noticed it was a discovery after watching the remainder of the video.
Hi Stephen Campbell My disco is quite heavy so anybody with a cat B licence could only tow around about 1100 Kg. There are caravans manufactured and plated with that as a Maximum Permitted Technical Mass.
However I passed my test before the cat B licence came in.
Licences are similar to MOTs. The rules are set by the date of manufacture, hence historical cars that predated the MOT requirements for say seat belt anchor points can still be driven on the UK roads without the occupants needing to wear them. If they aren’t fit to the car, it is after all impossible to wear them?
The same principle of law applies to driving licences. Hence my licence was not down plated to a 3500 Kg train weight when cat B started. That is until I reach the age of 70. I like everybody in the UK have to then take and pay for a HGV medical examination each year to keep it. Or reapply for a cat B licence to continue driving.
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@@UsefulWisdom I used to drive a Disco when I was patrolling the M6 and M62 with DVSA. They are good tow cars. Alhough. The Discos we drove were beefed up due to extra kit we had to carry. I think if memory serves me they were up plated to 3300kg. However, highways agency Discos (highways agency are not traffic enforcement officers like DVSA) Their Discos are even more beefed up and some of them have an air compressor built into them so they can be used to tow a fully laden artic from a live lane to a hard shoulder or any safe area if needed. They tend to burn through a lot of clutches though but only towed them when if there was unsafe not too.
Hi , @@stevecampbell7589 my vehicle is a Discovery Sport, not a Discovery. The Discovery has a greater wade depth and is heavier than the Sport.
Stephen, was this the TH-cam video of you?:
Police Land Rover Pulls Lorry th-cam.com/video/ym8uNl_T9gk/w-d-xo.html
Who is going to argue the toss about the tow weights in this scenario but if there were to be an accent with another vehicle, well, I would like to here what Jasper Carrott (the comedian) would make of it:
"I was towing a 44 Tonnes Vehicle with my land rover discovery (kerb weight 2,161 to 2,311 kg tonne) when I was assaulted by a car". "When questioned and cautioned the driver who assaulted me said". "What the hell do you think your are doing, do you not know about the 85% Kerb Weight Rule, I am reporting you to the Caravan Club Officer".
Please see below TH-cam video as an example of what Jasper Carrott would say on this subject:
Jasper Carrott - Insurance Claim Form Statements th-cam.com/video/hhDwz2bmey0/w-d-xo.html
more then half the oldies with grandad rights think they can tow because they have the licence when most of them cant drive without a trailer/ caravan in the first place
Hi BroadSword93, please excuse me but you have totally lost me with your comment. It does not make any sense.
I quote you, "most of them cant drive without a trailer/ caravan in the first place".
Do you mean that some people who passed their test in a car before 1 January 1997 are having to towing a caravan because they can't drive without one? Or is there a deeper meaning to the word, cant that you have used?
For your information word cant, I looked it up for you online, and here is the link: en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/cant
Its meaning is:
Hypocritical and sanctimonious talk, typically of a moral, religious, or political nature.
‘He had no time for the cant of the priests about sin’
European law for towing are great... with the correct nose weight you are like death weapon on the road LOL.
Just with incorrect nose weight you keep safe and stable on the road.
Where is the logic?
Hi DSC development. When the government is involved, logic and reasoning go out of the window.