Give KG pop, David robinson, tp, Manu, bruce bowen, kawhi and he has 5 rings as well. KG in his prime was playing garbage in Minnesota while Duncan always had hall of farmers by his side in his prime.
Kg game would definitely translate better in todays era but I can’t ignore prime duncan was giving prime Shaq the business. It’s funny how differently those lakers teams would be remembered if lakers spurs took place in the finals
SHAQ??? Shaq wasn’t an elite defender Chill! He only made THREE All-D teams - NONE of them FIRST!!! Now, early on, he was an intimidating rim protector, and his bpg were elite….but once he went to LA, he became a majority weak side shot blocker.
Look at Tim in 03. That championship was one of the biggest carry jobs ever. KG has never been better than Timmy ever. Timmy gets overlooked cause he was boring and quiet but the man was a dog he just didn't bark much.
@@allenthompson1068Duncan a way better rim protector, garnet a better perimeter defender what’s ur point? Lol I can name plenty of players Duncan guarded better, mostly the bigs and I would argue as a big rim protection is more valuable esp in the era they played.
@@smoothsavage2870 sure you can. Dirks won fmvp and KG didn’t. Surely you can’t say Tatum’s ring (didn’t win fmvp) is as valuable Jokic’s ring (won fmvp). It’s not equivalent by any stretch.
never watched either of them play in their prime(im 25) but i can tell that the highlights cant do them enough justice. Based on my understanding of the era inflation i just know that 24-12-5 while playing top 3 defense in the early 2000s was was insane
KG should have been left. He'd have more rings with even a little bit more help. 04 proved that when Cassell and Sprewell came. Instant 1st seed and MVP.
@@younglove3362 you’re quite literally out of your mind lmao. Shaq was better though 03, Duncan was better, the whole time, Kobe was better the whole time.
@@younglove3362to put KG over Shaq at any point during that lakers run is criminal. Shaq was easily the most dominant player in that time and Duncan was actually the one person who could somewhat hold his own against Shaq
@DarrylMostella Shaq had a great line up and would back you down in the paint and rim protect. And his major weakness that drastically dropped him was his free throws. Garnett was an all around player than can dribble, post in the paint, shoot from the perimeter, rim protect, defend on the perimeter, and most importantly **hit his free throws** better than Duncan and Garnett. He had the athleticism of a guard while being the size of a big man. There's a reason why he instantly became MVP the moment he got a little bit of help from Cassell and Spreewell. Garnett was ahead of his time and the best player from 02 to 05. He had no weaknesses and his role wasn't to be dominant, though he dominated in other areas. Learn your history and you stop ✋️
There isn't a power forward in history that even comes close to Tim Duncan in his prime and I'm a huge KG fan! You gotta compare KG to Dirk or Karl Malone 💯
@@paperstaxs9541mf have u seen Duncans numbers ? They closers to Pippen then Jordan like stop ! Before getting online tlkn shit go look at the tapes Duncan is overrated! It’s ok
Funny how KG is praised for doing a lot despite a lack of help yet Duncan in 2003 had a worse team than Garnett did in 2004 and was still able to do more on a team impact level and on an individual level. TD was much more dangerous offensively due to his mastered post game and didn’t have to rely on inefficient mid range shots.
@@johndavis9321 that’s true. And KG was an extremely efficient mid range scorer relative to the rest of the nba. However the most efficient mid range scorers would not equal the most efficient inside scorers
@@alex84167 fair point but it would take a lot more effort and possibly wear and tear on his body for kg to be an inside scorer compared to someone like shaq
As players Duncan and garnett were as close as possible to each other but in the big moments is where Duncan separated himself from KG. Duncan raised his game consistently for the big moments and the post season while KG often times folded under the pressure in big moments and wasn’t the best playoff performer
@@younglove3362 the spurs IS Duncan. Didn’t win 🏆 before nor after him. As far as your Kobe remark, was he on a “good” team or a “below avg team” pick one. ☝🏼 who you got at pf better than Timmy. I’ll wait…
I agree he’s a lot better and it’s not close. This is coming from a lifelong wolves fan. Duncan dominated the pf spot in this era and always outplayed kg
@@Jikjukaif your a wolves fan than you know very well the team that was surrounded KG. Straight trash! Put KG on them spurs teams he would have more championships than Duncan
You guys have to listen what they're saying. By no means are they saying KG is better than Tim Duncan all time Tim Duncan ranks higher however, they're saving KG peaked higher than Tim Duncan which is true. KG at his peak was arguably just as good if not better.
He was better than Duncan. Unlike most casuals that spout accolades and leave out key details, the people sound like they actually watched the players play. Even the dude that was saying Duncan was better.
The stretch actually lasted 8yrs and they didn't even mention KG's 5apg during that stretch. When he retired he was the best passing big in NBA history. KG and Duncan are neck and neck.
@@younglove3362 Their scoring was pretty much even in the regular season, but Duncan clearly had better scoring numbers in the playoffs, particularly scoring efficiency. Duncan also averaged more bpg than KG. All that KG had over Duncan was assists and steals by about 0.5 in each of those categories, that's not exactly "killing Duncan in damn near every category"...
@justsayin669 That's because Duncan had more playoff games and more success. Why? Because he had more opportunities. Why? Because he had a better **team**. Stop Basing individual stats on team accomplishments! Duncan never had to carry the Spurs. Garnett did. Duncan never lead his team in 4 or more statics, Garnett did. Duncan never averaged more steals, assist, and freethrows than Garnett. Enough with the bs! Garnett was just an overall better player. Duncan was just lucky to be on a great team with a great coach and a great organization. Garnett should have left the moment the NBA suspended the T.Wolves 3yrs from the draft resulting in Garnett never having the same opportunities as Dirk and Duncan. He's lucky he listened to Tyrone Lue and Billups because he instantly won a ring the moment he got help. He also hot them to eith the conference finals or the finals, just like Duncan and Dirk. Garnett is better.
@@younglove3362 I'm only talking about averages, not totals. Duncan averaged 20.6ppg on 50.2eFG% (56.0TS%) in the playoffs while KG averaged 18.2ppg on 48.1eFG% (52.5TS%) in the playoffs. Duncan technically had slightly better scoring averages in the regular season too. Duncan also averaged more bpg than KG in the regular season and playoffs. The stats are the stats. You claimed that "KG kills Duncan in damn near every (stat) category" which is just false... If you want to claim that the stats don't fully reflect the players' effectiveness then say that, but to claim that KG kills Duncan in damn near every stat category is flat out false.
I respect it… but nothing gets me over what 03 Duncan has done that none seasons of KG could ever do… not even 04 KG… would have issues handling Shaq and Kobe in that 2nd round… Duncan had the size and strength to counter with Shaq
Stop, KG was giving the Lakers trouble in 03. He was the best player in the league at the time. That 04 team would have ate that 03 Lakers team up. Go back and watch the Lakers and T. Wolves again. KG was more of a problem than Duncan. He just didn't have as good of a team. Y'all stay under rating that 03 Spurs team. 🙄
Timmy is best pf all time but kg had way less talent around him in his Minnesota days. Timmy played with multiple hall of famers in they prime one of the best coaches all time if not the best. You swap kg with timmy on the spurs kg could probably be best pf ever.
KG talent for talent is a better all around player than Duncan. Trade them on their teams I think kg has a better chance to get what Duncan had than the other way around. Both dawgs though
Quick question? How can KG be at his best when he got eliminated in the 1st round 4 out of 5 years despite having top 5-10 offenses? Meanwhile 02 and 03 Duncan clears any version of KG especially when he was a playoff riser and beat Shaq and Kobe and had a near quad dub in the finals
@@Jolteon1989 yet you never said anything relating to peak, you only named team accomplishments and failures, peak is a eye test/individual player discussion lmao
None of them were playing elite defense. Duncan and Shaq were elite rim protectors. But they'd get cooked on the wing 🪽. Garnett was able to defend the guards. He was an all around player.
Yall don’t know basketball dawg. KG is more skilled than Tim he wasn’t a better or more impactful player. A lot of ppl are more skilled than Shaq and can’t hold a candle to him. Some of yall equate, ability to do more things as better which is not exactly tru. Duncan was a real 7 footer and out weighted KG by at least 40lbs yall don’t know ball if u don’t think that mattered
@@AD_Apex No, you don't talk. Unlike you, I actually watched their careers pan out and aren't naming accolades. You go do more research and try not to sound like a casual that didn't watch them play.
Lmaooooooooooooo another post that shows why kg was so overrated. 03 Duncan is better than any KG year. Stop looking at box scores and watch the games please
@@terencejones22 my bad I went and looked at up... He didn't average more than 11 rebounds in any season😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣 but he was consistent with the 20 + scoring until later in his career .. I was so Pissed when they Bulls let him go... With him, Artest, Miller, Jay Williams and Jamal Crawford we had something
Their head to head matchup stats are nearly identical: 52 Games Points Rebounds Assists Steals Blocks Tim Duncan 19.3 11.9 3.3 0.6 2.0 Kevin Garnett 19.8 10.6 4.0 1.4 1.9 Mind you Duncan had to share the ball with David Robinson, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobli, Kawhi Leonard. Duncan could literally never ball hog. KGs best team mates were Tom Gugliotta, Wally Szczerbiak, Latrell Speedwell & Sam Cassell.. & all one at a time.. they were never all together on the same team.. if Duncan had his caliber teammates his numbets wouldve been even crazier imo
@MarzTalksSports No he ain't. If anything he's overrated. Yall always give him the benefit of the doubt and not Duncan when During KGs peak years, he had Top 5 -10 offenses and could only get out the 1st round once
@@Jolteon1989 U only need offense to win? interesting concept. the ONLY time The wolves had a good offense AND a good defense during KGs peak was in 2004. u wont believe where they went in the PS that year. but whatever u got it,we arent about to debate,so whatever u respond to this i wont reply to,so its up to you if u decide to respond
@MarzTalksSports Did I ever say that's all you needed? no. I'm saying He had good offensive support with those uptempo Wolves teams, but despite all that, his impact could only get outta the first round once. And if u ain't gonna respond, what was the point of commenting back?
@malikwilson7387 I'm in my mid 30s. Yes I did watch KG play. He was a SF/PF combo and played AAU.which is why he was so fluid in handling the Ball. He was a great midrange shooter but that was to his detriment in the playoffs. You clearly didn't watch Duncan play according to all your other casual statements on him.
These idiots don’t understand “production” they abstract a player from their actual production and it’s actual value, TD’s production was better than KG’s as it led to value, meaning wins and championships. This peak performance they’re talking about with KG had no value whatsoever to wins and championships and you can’t abstract that and say what ifs you have to go by the results of their production
What if the results of wins and championships cannot simply be isolated to their individual production? what if there are many other factors and circumstances outside of individual production that contribute to team results such as the system, caliber of coaching, quality of teammates, organizational culture, etc? In which case TD has had MUCH more favorable circumstances. Personally, I still take 03 TD over 04 KG (both of their respective peaks imo), although it's very close. I'm just saying there is a lot more to this conversation than just how many wins or championships they won. Personally, I think if KG had TD's circumstances, he could have won 3-4 championships (99, 05, 07 and a coin flip between 03 and 13, with the possibility of other years).
@@aaronjykim so again you mean to abstract to prop up Garnett, from the actual reality of his production. You and these Garnett people don’t see that in order to prop up Garnett via what if, you have to attach him to Tim, essentially conceding that Tim is the superior player, if Garnett was superior you wouldn’t have to attach him to Tim. You haven’t defined system, or coaching, and teammates, when Tim led a team with terry Porter and Steve smith as his guards to 58 wins, what was that? What is it when that man’s two way production is the architecture from which the team is built ? When everyone is playing around his impact on both sides. Garnett had a play style that was great on its own essentially like looking at a store mannequin, his play style and production had a negligible impact on his team, system and so on, and it’s reflected in 8 first round exits, and three missed playoffs in the mid 00’s when it wasn’t like teams were overflowing with talent, remember Kobe led a team to 45 wins in 2006.
@@tonydemasso3691 lmao okay u said this ab me 10 months ago ab some jerry west stuff,i assume me calling him the best scorer of the 60s,i appreciate u still thinking this 10 months later
That's because his prime years were wasted in the twolves. The moment he got with the Celtics it was instant championship. Not only that, they might have had 2 if he wasn't injured in 09 and they went back again and pushed Kobe to 7 games the following year. Imagine what damage Garnett would have done if he literally had help the years prior. 04 proved that much already. He'd have just as much (if not more) than Duncan with legit help. You'd know that if you were watching back in 02
KG better player. Could play 1-5. Could do it all. Handle the ball. Shoot. Make free throws. Had a handle. Superb defender. Rebounds. The MVP year 2004 when he had Cassel and spree he was insane. But Duncan had the better career. Win more championships because of great coach. Great system. Better supporting cast throughout his career. More hall of famers. But I agree KG is the better player. He does more
KG in 04 had a better team than Duncan ever had up to that point. Cassell and Szcerbiak both averaged more ppg than any of Duncans teammates besides Robinson up until 05. Obviously ppg aren't everything but Duncan had teams that were bad without him even with David Robinson still being good, they got their ass kicked in 2000 and were only missing Duncan against a mediocre suns team
Cassell's best year was in 04. All the other years he was a role player. SpreeWell wasn't what he was on the Warriors or the Knicks. Garnett was the best player on the TWolves and in the league at the time. Stop shouting bs about Duncan being better in 03. Garnett was better that year as well and was giving the Lakers problems as well. He just didn't have the support Duncan had.
YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW GOOD TIM DUNCAN WAS OH MY GOD!!
Give KG pop, David robinson, tp, Manu, bruce bowen, kawhi and he has 5 rings as well. KG in his prime was playing garbage in Minnesota while Duncan always had hall of farmers by his side in his prime.
@@pradayou5405outside of the admiral, it was Tim that made the Hall of Famers
@@pradayou5405the spurs would have been worse with kg
@@pradayou5405HE MADE THEM HALL OF FAMERS! You think KG getting rings with manu and fucking tony parker? 🤣🤣🤣
Kg game would definitely translate better in todays era but I can’t ignore prime duncan was giving prime Shaq the business. It’s funny how differently those lakers teams would be remembered if lakers spurs took place in the finals
Lakers beat them the majority of the time they played in that era though
@@joshuad24That’s true but you could argue Duncan outplayed Shaq in the playoffs in 99, 02, and 03
Lakers and Spurs can’t take place in the NBA finals, they’re both in the Western conference
SHAQ???
Shaq wasn’t an elite defender Chill!
He only made THREE All-D teams - NONE of them FIRST!!!
Now, early on, he was an intimidating rim protector, and his bpg were elite….but once he went to LA, he became a majority weak side shot blocker.
@@antoniojohnson23252 thank you for your insightful comment
Look at Tim in 03. That championship was one of the biggest carry jobs ever. KG has never been better than Timmy ever. Timmy gets overlooked cause he was boring and quiet but the man was a dog he just didn't bark much.
KG better
Totally agree. 2003 might be the most underrated ring ever.
Tim had help jfc dude he had DAVID ROBINSON
@@sbnpouipnbt2614 old David Robinson. Stop it
@@sbnpouipnbt2614 way to look at a roster sheet. By 03 Robinson was a shell of his former self. He was a solid role player 8pts 8rebs a game.
I think he averaged 5 assists per game at that time. Plus he was out there guarding guys like T-Mac sometimes.
Timmy averaged 4 assists lmao. Duncan was way better
@@RafaelGarcia-jb3meomg ur stupid
@@RafaelGarcia-jb3mecan u count????
The coach put garnett on jordan come on
@@allenthompson1068Duncan a way better rim protector, garnet a better perimeter defender what’s ur point? Lol I can name plenty of players Duncan guarded better, mostly the bigs and I would argue as a big rim protection is more valuable esp in the era they played.
Duncan n 1 hands down
If you're a casual.
@@younglove3362 nope. Duncan is best power forward in history of basketball so.... yeah....
@f.h.54 if you're a casual
@@younglove3362 lol
Finally somebody is putting respect on KGs name
Mentioning Tim Dunc around Unc again is brave 😭😭
KGs name dont belong with Duncan. You can even argue Dirk is better than KG. Compare Dirks ring to KGs ring and y’all would agree.
Just blasphemy
There's no such thing as comparing rings. They both have one.
@@smoothsavage2870 sure you can. Dirks won fmvp and KG didn’t. Surely you can’t say Tatum’s ring (didn’t win fmvp) is as valuable Jokic’s ring (won fmvp). It’s not equivalent by any stretch.
Bro, stop talking. It's obvious you didn't see them play.
@@liluziBurt667 kg still was the best player on his team 😂
never watched either of them play in their prime(im 25)
but i can tell that the highlights cant do them enough justice. Based on my understanding of the era inflation i just know that 24-12-5 while playing top 3 defense in the early 2000s was was insane
It’s like what Giannis does today
@@Alex-wz9ze Pretty much. giannis became a walking 30-11-6
Minnesota failed KG
KG should have pulled a LBJ
@@samcool4350and do what get 🧹 😂
KG should have been left. He'd have more rings with even a little bit more help. 04 proved that when Cassell and Sprewell came. Instant 1st seed and MVP.
KG’s revisionist history is so crazy bro. He was always a step below Timmy and Kobe, now at his peak he’s better than peak Duncan???? Come on bro
02 to 05 KG was the best player in the league. You'd know that if you actually watched.
@@younglove3362What are you smoking..... So we're going to ignore Shaq? Kobe? Timmy?
Jesus you guys are hilarious with that revisionist mindset...
@@younglove3362 you’re quite literally out of your mind lmao. Shaq was better though 03, Duncan was better, the whole time, Kobe was better the whole time.
@@younglove3362to put KG over Shaq at any point during that lakers run is criminal. Shaq was easily the most dominant player in that time and Duncan was actually the one person who could somewhat hold his own against Shaq
@DarrylMostella
Shaq had a great line up and would back you down in the paint and rim protect. And his major weakness that drastically dropped him was his free throws.
Garnett was an all around player than can dribble, post in the paint, shoot from the perimeter, rim protect, defend on the perimeter, and most importantly **hit his free throws** better than Duncan and Garnett. He had the athleticism of a guard while being the size of a big man. There's a reason why he instantly became MVP the moment he got a little bit of help from Cassell and Spreewell. Garnett was ahead of his time and the best player from 02 to 05. He had no weaknesses and his role wasn't to be dominant, though he dominated in other areas. Learn your history and you stop ✋️
There isn't a power forward in history that even comes close to Tim Duncan in his prime and I'm a huge KG fan! You gotta compare KG to Dirk or Karl Malone 💯
A KG fan that doesn't know much about KG. My favorite player is Duncan. And I can attest to Garnett being better individually as a player.
Cus you dont know ball@@younglove3362
Tm Duncan never missed the playoffs. Won 5 rings. Enough is enough with this BS y’all be saying.
Team accomplishment. You slow or sumn? What’s hard to understand about that
I wonder how they feel about malone 4 some reason his not getting a ring overshadow his greatness
@@DineroMadeIt730 so when the bulls won it was because of Jordan, but when Tim wins it’s because of the team. Make it make sense.
@@paperstaxs9541both had stable great depth teams with great coaches 🤷♂️
@@paperstaxs9541mf have u seen Duncans numbers ? They closers to Pippen then Jordan like stop ! Before getting online tlkn shit go look at the tapes Duncan is overrated! It’s ok
23 and 12 is great in any era honestly
99 to 2007 was the Prime Years of Duncan
They don't know how good Duncan,he was dirty
4 year stretch 2 of them he played all 82 games back to back and the other 2 was 76 games back to back 🤞🏽
Duncan had a qwad double in finals y'all crazy big man qwad in finals 😂 smoking dope
From 2002 to 2005, Garnett was literally the best player in the league.
Timmy the best power forward ever
I'll take Timothy Theodore Duncan any day 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
Tim Duncan 99-03’ + two Championships.
The crazy thing to think about is that Duncan would be considered a Center in today’s league. Nobody would consider him a PF in today’s league..
The pace was way slower then, which makes 23 and 12 insane
Funny how KG is praised for doing a lot despite a lack of help yet Duncan in 2003 had a worse team than Garnett did in 2004 and was still able to do more on a team impact level and on an individual level. TD was much more dangerous offensively due to his mastered post game and didn’t have to rely on inefficient mid range shots.
TD don’t get the respect he deserves because his game is not flashy and exciting, but it’s effective and that’s what matters.
Mid range shots are only inefficient if you make them at an inefficient rate
@@johndavis9321 that’s true. And KG was an extremely efficient mid range scorer relative to the rest of the nba. However the most efficient mid range scorers would not equal the most efficient inside scorers
@@alex84167 fair point but it would take a lot more effort and possibly wear and tear on his body for kg to be an inside scorer compared to someone like shaq
Also, the 1999 team had an aging backcourt and still got it done.
I love KG, but I’m taking a Prime Tim Duncan every time
As players Duncan and garnett were as close as possible to each other but in the big moments is where Duncan separated himself from KG. Duncan raised his game consistently for the big moments and the post season while KG often times folded under the pressure in big moments and wasn’t the best playoff performer
Duncan had a better team in those moments too. Garnett rose to those occasions as well. He just didn't have the help. Duncan never carried the Spurs
KG jumpshot was money
I've seen Duncan share the court with kobe/shaq in the playoffs and be the best player in the series
There’s an argument that can be made for Tim Duncan being the goat
KG is my favorite PF of all time
Promise the way people be talking about he would top 5 all time KD mixed with Giannis type shit
Duncan is the best pf ever. Kg at 2 is debatable if considering Karl Malone dirk and Giannis imo.
Duncan is one of those lucky players that didn't have to carry a franchise. Even Kobe struggled playing in a below average good laker team. Stop ✋️
@@younglove3362 the spurs IS Duncan. Didn’t win 🏆 before nor after him. As far as your Kobe remark, was he on a “good” team or a “below avg team” pick one. ☝🏼 who you got at pf better than Timmy. I’ll wait…
Tim Duncan is head and shoulders better than KG
Stop it man why do we have to exaggerate as a basketball community.
Just say he’s better man damn
@@joshuad24 no
@@joshuad24no
I agree he’s a lot better and it’s not close. This is coming from a lifelong wolves fan. Duncan dominated the pf spot in this era and always outplayed kg
@@Jikjukaif your a wolves fan than you know very well the team that was surrounded KG. Straight trash! Put KG on them spurs teams he would have more championships than Duncan
KG is great and all but Tim Duncan is the better Player.
If you're a casual.
Ngl Barkley and Malone peaked higher than KG imo
You guys have to listen what they're saying. By no means are they saying KG is better than Tim Duncan all time Tim Duncan ranks higher however, they're saving KG peaked higher than Tim Duncan which is true. KG at his peak was arguably just as good if not better.
He was better than Duncan. Unlike most casuals that spout accolades and leave out key details, the people sound like they actually watched the players play. Even the dude that was saying Duncan was better.
The stretch actually lasted 8yrs and they didn't even mention KG's 5apg during that stretch. When he retired he was the best passing big in NBA history. KG and Duncan are neck and neck.
Do not look at their stats. KG kills Duncan un damn near every category. You don't want to go there.
@@younglove3362
Their scoring was pretty much even in the regular season, but Duncan clearly had better scoring numbers in the playoffs, particularly scoring efficiency. Duncan also averaged more bpg than KG. All that KG had over Duncan was assists and steals by about 0.5 in each of those categories, that's not exactly "killing Duncan in damn near every category"...
@justsayin669
That's because Duncan had more playoff games and more success. Why? Because he had more opportunities. Why? Because he had a better **team**. Stop Basing individual stats on team accomplishments! Duncan never had to carry the Spurs. Garnett did. Duncan never lead his team in 4 or more statics, Garnett did. Duncan never averaged more steals, assist, and freethrows than Garnett. Enough with the bs! Garnett was just an overall better player. Duncan was just lucky to be on a great team with a great coach and a great organization. Garnett should have left the moment the NBA suspended the T.Wolves 3yrs from the draft resulting in Garnett never having the same opportunities as Dirk and Duncan. He's lucky he listened to Tyrone Lue and Billups because he instantly won a ring the moment he got help. He also hot them to eith the conference finals or the finals, just like Duncan and Dirk. Garnett is better.
@@younglove3362
I'm only talking about averages, not totals. Duncan averaged 20.6ppg on 50.2eFG% (56.0TS%) in the playoffs while KG averaged 18.2ppg on 48.1eFG% (52.5TS%) in the playoffs. Duncan technically had slightly better scoring averages in the regular season too. Duncan also averaged more bpg than KG in the regular season and playoffs. The stats are the stats. You claimed that "KG kills Duncan in damn near every (stat) category" which is just false... If you want to claim that the stats don't fully reflect the players' effectiveness then say that, but to claim that KG kills Duncan in damn near every stat category is flat out false.
Sometimes I think that this show’s agenda is to try and knock the winningest players in league history down a peg lol
No way lol.
Kg cant do what duncan did in 03. Thats duncan at his best.
Put KG on that Spurs team and he does better.
I respect it… but nothing gets me over what 03 Duncan has done that none seasons of KG could ever do… not even 04 KG… would have issues handling Shaq and Kobe in that 2nd round… Duncan had the size and strength to counter with Shaq
Stop, KG was giving the Lakers trouble in 03. He was the best player in the league at the time. That 04 team would have ate that 03 Lakers team up. Go back and watch the Lakers and T. Wolves again. KG was more of a problem than Duncan. He just didn't have as good of a team. Y'all stay under rating that 03 Spurs team. 🙄
Timmy is best pf all time but kg had way less talent around him in his Minnesota days. Timmy played with multiple hall of famers in they prime one of the best coaches all time if not the best. You swap kg with timmy on the spurs kg could probably be best pf ever.
KG talent for talent is a better all around player than Duncan. Trade them on their teams I think kg has a better chance to get what Duncan had than the other way around. Both dawgs though
Tim Duncan hate gots to stop
KG disrespect needs to stop.
Giannis clears at this point sorry
Quick question? How can KG be at his best when he got eliminated in the 1st round 4 out of 5 years despite having top 5-10 offenses?
Meanwhile 02 and 03 Duncan clears any version of KG especially when he was a playoff riser and beat Shaq and Kobe and had a near quad dub in the finals
Because Basketball is a team sport. 😂
Cause it’s about peak lmao, what kind of unrelated breakdown is this?
@@harp1288 what are you talking about? All that I said was related to they peak. Read it again
@jasonleo9782 Well consider that Duncan had the most win shares in playoff history for that 03 run. KGs impact wasn't as big as Tim's impact.
@@Jolteon1989 yet you never said anything relating to peak, you only named team accomplishments and failures, peak is a eye test/individual player discussion lmao
They bring east Indian now
For fuck sakes
Tim D waaaayyy BETTER than KG!!!
Okay casual.
Kg always got cooked by Duncan in the playoffs
Duncan always had a better team.
K.g was a jump shooter
And a passer, rebounder, defender, post up, and a posturizer. Stop disrespecting Garnett. He was ahead of his time.
Shaq wasn’t doing that chil be lying
Shaq wasn’t playing elite défense.
You must have lost your mind or some shit 😂
He was runners-up for DPOY in 2000 behind Alonzo Mourning
None of them were playing elite defense. Duncan and Shaq were elite rim protectors. But they'd get cooked on the wing 🪽. Garnett was able to defend the guards. He was an all around player.
K Malone the goat pf. Go look at the back of the bubble gum card
Yall don’t know basketball dawg. KG is more skilled than Tim he wasn’t a better or more impactful player. A lot of ppl are more skilled than Shaq and can’t hold a candle to him. Some of yall equate, ability to do more things as better which is not exactly tru. Duncan was a real 7 footer and out weighted KG by at least 40lbs yall don’t know ball if u don’t think that mattered
Come on bro. It’s disrespectful to not put Tim as number 1 PF.
If you're a casual yeah. He's got the accolades but he's not a top 5 pf. And if he is, he's literally at number 5.
@@younglove3362 a casual? Lmaooooo Tim not first as a PF? Broo please don’t even talk to me
@@AD_Apex
No, you don't talk. Unlike you, I actually watched their careers pan out and aren't naming accolades. You go do more research and try not to sound like a casual that didn't watch them play.
@@younglove3362 mf I saw KG’s most of his career. He’s not better than Timmy f outta here
Tim Duncan 03 was better than Kevin Garnett 04
Wrong. KG was better in 03 and 04.
This us dumb, assists, overall d, rebounds.
KG isn’t top 3 PF all time even peaks stop that lmao !!!
You don’t know anything
Huhhhhh
@@Alex-wz9ze just say you’re a casual it would make more sense
@@Sharko-v7v you’re a casual lmO
@@gobirds2083you don’t know ball🙏
Why does chill think sheed was ever a great rebounder 🤔
Sheed is one of the most underrated players of that era.
Crack baby post right here. KG was a SF for his first 5 years 😂😂😂
Y did u feel the need to lie 😂
No, KG started as A small forward. But he came from Highschool and was undersized. He eventually played the 4 and 5 as the years went on.
Lmaooooooooooooo another post that shows why kg was so overrated.
03 Duncan is better than any KG year. Stop looking at box scores and watch the games please
Another comment exposing how much of a casual you really are. KG was the best player from 02 to 05.
@@younglove3362no tf he was not
This boys are always wrong😂😂😂
And you were probably born in 07.
Kg not the second or third best power forward ever you people forget history.
Duncan
Malone
McHale
Kg
Dirk
Petit
lol they really hate Tim Duncan game, guess they hate winners lol KG would have been winless without the Celtics lol
And you literally don't know your history. Garnett was always better than Duncan, especially in their prime.
in no world is kg better than tim duncan this is a bad take. he’s not even better than dirk
Blasphemy
You definitely started watching basketball in 2007.
Elton Brand was doing that
Elton brand was doing exactly what my guy?
@@terencejones22 my bad I went and looked at up... He didn't average more than 11 rebounds in any season😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣 but he was consistent with the 20 + scoring until later in his career .. I was so Pissed when they Bulls let him go... With him, Artest, Miller, Jay Williams and Jamal Crawford we had something
@mariocoleman9251 Yeah but elton brand definitely wasn't no scrub he was nice in the 2000s
Tim Duncan is a top 10 player all time stop it kg not even top 20 all time make it make sense
Blasphemy
You obviously started watching basketball in 07.
KG for sure! Put Duncan on the wolves and KG on the spurs be a much different outcome
Duncan’s 2003 squad was worse than KG’s 2004 squad. KG in theory shoulda at least made the finals
Their head to head matchup stats are nearly identical:
52 Games
Points Rebounds Assists Steals Blocks
Tim Duncan 19.3 11.9 3.3 0.6 2.0
Kevin Garnett 19.8 10.6 4.0 1.4 1.9
Mind you Duncan had to share the ball with David Robinson, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobli, Kawhi Leonard. Duncan could literally never ball hog.
KGs best team mates were Tom Gugliotta, Wally Szczerbiak, Latrell Speedwell & Sam Cassell.. & all one at a time.. they were never all together on the same team.. if Duncan had his caliber teammates his numbets wouldve been even crazier imo
@@alex84167 KG league MVP that year and without Sam Cassel getting injured they woulda made it to the finals
i feel kg is so underrated reading some of these comments
@MarzTalksSports No he ain't. If anything he's overrated. Yall always give him the benefit of the doubt and not Duncan when During KGs peak years, he had Top 5 -10 offenses and could only get out the 1st round once
@@Jolteon1989 U only need offense to win? interesting concept. the ONLY time The wolves had a good offense AND a good defense during KGs peak was in 2004. u wont believe where they went in the PS that year. but whatever u got it,we arent about to debate,so whatever u respond to this i wont reply to,so its up to you if u decide to respond
@MarzTalksSports Did I ever say that's all you needed? no. I'm saying He had good offensive support with those uptempo Wolves teams, but despite all that, his impact could only get outta the first round once.
And if u ain't gonna respond, what was the point of commenting back?
@@Jolteon1989most of yall never watched Minnesota KG .marz is right Garnett is underrated
@malikwilson7387 I'm in my mid 30s. Yes I did watch KG play. He was a SF/PF combo and played AAU.which is why he was so fluid in handling the Ball. He was a great midrange shooter but that was to his detriment in the playoffs.
You clearly didn't watch Duncan play according to all your other casual statements on him.
These idiots don’t understand “production” they abstract a player from their actual production and it’s actual value, TD’s production was better than KG’s as it led to value, meaning wins and championships. This peak performance they’re talking about with KG had no value whatsoever to wins and championships and you can’t abstract that and say what ifs you have to go by the results of their production
calling us idiots and writing all of this is is some amazing irony
What if the results of wins and championships cannot simply be isolated to their individual production? what if there are many other factors and circumstances outside of individual production that contribute to team results such as the system, caliber of coaching, quality of teammates, organizational culture, etc? In which case TD has had MUCH more favorable circumstances.
Personally, I still take 03 TD over 04 KG (both of their respective peaks imo), although it's very close. I'm just saying there is a lot more to this conversation than just how many wins or championships they won. Personally, I think if KG had TD's circumstances, he could have won 3-4 championships (99, 05, 07 and a coin flip between 03 and 13, with the possibility of other years).
@@aaronjykim so again you mean to abstract to prop up Garnett, from the actual reality of his production. You and these Garnett people don’t see that in order to prop up Garnett via what if, you have to attach him to Tim, essentially conceding that Tim is the superior player, if Garnett was superior you wouldn’t have to attach him to Tim. You haven’t defined system, or coaching, and teammates, when Tim led a team with terry Porter and Steve smith as his guards to 58 wins, what was that? What is it when that man’s two way production is the architecture from which the team is built ? When everyone is playing around his impact on both sides. Garnett had a play style that was great on its own essentially like looking at a store mannequin, his play style and production had a negligible impact on his team, system and so on, and it’s reflected in 8 first round exits, and three missed playoffs in the mid 00’s when it wasn’t like teams were overflowing with talent, remember Kobe led a team to 45 wins in 2006.
@@MarzTalksSports Marz you get all of your opinions from thinking basketball. Until you develop your own opinions then talk.
@@tonydemasso3691 lmao okay u said this ab me 10 months ago ab some jerry west stuff,i assume me calling him the best scorer of the 60s,i appreciate u still thinking this 10 months later
Duncan is farrrr better than kg
Shut up casual
If you're a casual.
@@younglove3362 you got KG over Duncan????
Not only that KG isnt even top 5 PF ever but he aint even the best Kevin that played for PF for the celtics
Idiot😂
That's because his prime years were wasted in the twolves. The moment he got with the Celtics it was instant championship. Not only that, they might have had 2 if he wasn't injured in 09 and they went back again and pushed Kobe to 7 games the following year. Imagine what damage Garnett would have done if he literally had help the years prior. 04 proved that much already. He'd have just as much (if not more) than Duncan with legit help. You'd know that if you were watching back in 02
KG better player. Could play 1-5. Could do it all. Handle the ball. Shoot. Make free throws. Had a handle. Superb defender. Rebounds. The MVP year 2004 when he had Cassel and spree he was insane. But Duncan had the better career. Win more championships because of great coach. Great system. Better supporting cast throughout his career. More hall of famers. But I agree KG is the better player. He does more
KG in 04 had a better team than Duncan ever had up to that point. Cassell and Szcerbiak both averaged more ppg than any of Duncans teammates besides Robinson up until 05. Obviously ppg aren't everything but Duncan had teams that were bad without him even with David Robinson still being good, they got their ass kicked in 2000 and were only missing Duncan against a mediocre suns team
@@Sqeaky6969Drob in 99 is better than any teammates KG at the time, and his help got hurt in the playoffs😂
Cassell's best year was in 04. All the other years he was a role player. SpreeWell wasn't what he was on the Warriors or the Knicks. Garnett was the best player on the TWolves and in the league at the time. Stop shouting bs about Duncan being better in 03. Garnett was better that year as well and was giving the Lakers problems as well. He just didn't have the support Duncan had.
KG was way better. Duncan just had a better team
Nope. KG wasn’t close to the playoff performer Duncan was
Duncan didn't have nearly as bad of a team KG had.