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A policeman/woman walking up to you and telling you to stop XXXXX IS legal ... they are under zero legal liability to tell you the truth **until** you are under arrest - and my guess is she damn well knew it was legal to film - but tries that on to see if it works - IF she attempted to physically force the issue- that's different
ive seen the video the police woman doesnt tell him he cant film but asks if he wont record their chat for youtube, before ultimately having the chat on his camera anyway. the reason she didnt want that is because he was playing everything up for the camera. and thye understood the law because her partners first things he said to the people he had the dispute with was "hes in a public place he is allowed to film"
@@arbee1958is that UK law. I heard something about the US police being allowed to lie to people but the UK police aren't but I'm unsure of the specifics of that
Also, to be clear, in St Pancras most people do walk on the side that was being filmed but the visibility to the piano is very clear, if you absolutely under no circumstance want to be filmed the area behind where the camera was is open and has fewer people making it even clearer for you to walk to. If you are walking towards the exit into frame, you can see through the glass that they were filming while also still being out of shot. If people must be entirely out of shot, it can be avoided both ways, people are often filming and filming in that direction, so if you are that kind of person you know to walk on the other side. I was in St Pancras while the piano was closed, and my wife who plays was expecting to get a little play in which was disappointing. That piano is iconic, and I think it reflects a part of being British, it's not misused, it's not broken, and it's actually played, often you'll walk through and for someone to be playing it and it is really nice. Set up a piano in a US station and before it's broken beyond repair you'll have people mashing the keys making an awful sound, but on the other end of the spectrum if you set it up in a German station it will survive fine but because not many people are going to play it because they don't want to disturb others even if it being there is an invitation to play. The UK sits in a cultural position where it will be used and it won't be misused, it feels like other countries are off from that and where a public piano is a bad idea. The fact that some Chinese people got something I would consider British barriered is significant. I know that the Chinese people weren't just passing through, they wanted access to the piano, they wanted access to film... behind the piano is glass and lots of people walking past, they were going to film people and it was for a foreign language thing which that alone people feel iffy about if they can't then listen and find out what they have just been filmed for (Chinese people knew they were putting themselves in frame for someone playing a piano, not really a language barrier), but for it to then be Chinese is a whole other level.
I’m a designer and I take pictures all the time around London, on the Bus, on the Tube for ideas etc. I had a similar encounter with a few Foreign people asking me ‘Were they in my photo?’ This is when they have been walking past into my shot in a busy tube station, I said I don’t know I’m just taking shots for a project, they then started to ask me if they could look through my iPad and if they were can I delete it, I lost my rag and told them 🤬 off! 🤷🏾🤦🏾♂️
@@EC-tz4us To be honest, if it was me that they asked to delete the video, I would have just politely agreed and cut them in post production of the VOD however they would still be in the livestream anyway. It's not unreasonable to ask but you can't enforce it with any legal or socially acceptable power because he's not doing anything wrong and well within his rights to do what he did. I might not do the same thing but I will gladly defend him because he has that right.
@@EC-tz4usIt is reasonable yes, but it is not unreasonable for him to keep the video anyway. It only concerns the aspect of commercial release, and at the start they were in the background so no issues apart from when Brendan talked directly on camera to one of them. We are also talking about a livestream here. How those rules on commercial release apply to a live stream would be interesting considering in such an event it would be unreasonable to expect Brendan to edit out faces whilst live.
After a message to Sir Elton John asking him what he thought of the piano being held hostage and when word got back Elton had been notified the piano was miraculously freed 👏
It's ridiculous. They walked into the shot, insisted on staying within range of the camera, STUCK THEIR FACES in the camers, and then threw a tantrum over being filmed?? Why was anyone taking them seriously?
I guess they confidently(incorrectly) assumed that it wouldn't matter if they were on camera or not, because they would be able to bully the cameraman into deleting the footage. Pity for them it was a livestream and they were wrong.
The first instance of the shot was when the camera turned to their direction after the youtuber pointed to them. By that time it was too late as their image was instantly captured. While the camera faced her and the youtuber gestured, she then approached to gesture back.
A couple of points, Old Bean. The Chinese TV crew were already filming themselves in the station. They crew had already approached the pianist to have photos taken with him and were acting like fanboys until ... The man who shouted approached and warned the crew off. The man who shouted also warned the crew of an eminent person was arriving soon. This turned out to be a CCP official. It all went South after the CCP woman arrived. NB She's stood next to a white guy behind and to the right of the pianist in the film as the man is shouting. The piano was cordoned off after the ruckus and TH-cam have tried to 'strike' the pianist's channel ... coincidence? Doubtful. This story is noteworthy as it throws an otherwise hidden light on how the CCP operates in Britain. There is no conspiracy here, and just because some on the 'right' have taken advantage of this does not mean that it is not illuminating. Trying to claim otherwise is disingenuous.
This turned out to be a CCP official.? Evidence please. Has nothing to do with the Chinese government either unless you or anyone can show the evidence.
Those people should be told: "If you don't want your face to be shown in the video, simply don't stop in front of the camera. Nobody will notice you if you just walk fast. And maybe hide that red flag somewhere if you really don't want to be noticed.
The guy yelling should have been told if he doesn’t want his image online he should delete his own 2 TH-cam channels. He has now set them to made for kids to block comments and thumbs down. Not one of the videos is for kids.
As they were telling Brendan not to film them they were filming him! Someone else pointed that one of the women in the background is a Chinese spy, and they had evidence. These people should be deported back to China!
For years the Spectator has been exposing how much of England-- in high places and educational places etc. have been infiltrated and bribed by CCP for years ..Is it Red Cambridge or Oxford? Another vid of proven spy in same company of D. Cameron and she was in the background of the Piano incident.the shouty man son of high up official in D, Province . used to threatening and orders being followed.
Seeing Britain is an Islamic Black Indian Chinese state the clips should be taken down the police who are controlled by Sadiq khan should arrest you but they were busy taking down posters of Jewish children & women missing
Well, Evan, your example about someone who would run around in the UK with a shotgon demanding U.S. arms rights - while being in Britain: That example perfectly illustrates the whole case, and fortunately Brendan Kavanaugh knew his UK rights as a UK citizen in the UK. Just imagine a 16-year old German guy would start drinking a beer in the street in a "dry county" in the US, demanding that that's his right in Germany 🙈
This reminds me of when I was in the US Peace Corps. I was with a group heading to Guyana in South America. Because of problems in the country (one story involved a drunk Canadian threatening to kill the President and getting arrested), to be careful of what you said. One of the new Volunteers started in on how he had First Amendment Rights. The coordinators were trying to explain how we represented the US, we needed to be aware of local laws, etc. But he was having none of it. I finally got fed up, stood up, and said, "YOU are an idiot! Your First Amendment Rights end at the US border. The only Rights you have is what Guyana gives you. And if you piss them off, you'll be lucky they don't shoot you. So, shut up about Rights you don't have...except not to go to Guyana." He got quiet then. The coordinators called a break and during the breaks came up to thank me.
Technically everyone in the world has first amendment rights it just that it only applies to what the US and and it’s states, territories and local governments can do. So the US Government is not allowed to breach people’s first amendment rights but the Guyana government sure can or rather anything it does would not breach it.
I've been watching this as it's been unfolding this week (starting when it all kicked off last Friday). So many Eastern people have come out in favour of Brendan - a lot of Chinese people living in the UK, Japanese people, Taiwanese and loads more. It also turns out that one of the women (I think it's the one that was quite prominent in the video, but not the one with makeup on) has a lawsuit against her in China - for violation of the law they're accusing Brendan of supposedly violating and that they say they will get him criminally charged for. It's become insane.
This went viral on Chinese social media too and most people sided with the piano man. The Chinese people have been rinsed online, abused and even doxxed, which is probably a bit too far.
Yes, she does have a Lawsuit against her in China for something similar and a few of the others are known CCCP activists. Mahyar Tousi news on YT covered it recently.
This video has been going around in China and many are in support of Brendan and saying that the group has brought shame upon China. I hope they get admonished when they return to China. I am of Chinese descent.
So does half of the UK government who seems more intent to please foreigners than protect their own citizens But then what did people expect when they voted for Sadiq Khan?
The policewoman can tell you to stand on one leg and sing "moon River" ... you are under no obligation to do it - and she's not under any obligation to tell you the truth... OR give you free legal advice - so Know your rights LOL
@@arbee1958 I was not aware that she had the right to tell you that you don't have the rights you do have. That seems a bit strange given her position of authority.
I don’t understand the “touching” part at all. He didn’t even touch her and they were trying to use S harassment as an attack. If you seen the earlier video, the lady was happily shaking his hands… and those cops. Ma God!
13:00 Evan, a lot of Chinese communist propagandists are basically trained to cry wolf at "alleged racism" at the first instance of painting the CCP in a negative light, regardless of whether actual racist remarks are involved
His privacy laws on public spaces was clearly spot on. But he did highlight Brendan's ridiculous claim about the possibility of him being shot by 'agents of the CCP'.
@@Humannondancer Brendan made no such claim. I've watched the original video. One of the women called out don't shoot him, don't shoot him and other chinese folk have said she was referring to shooting images/video, not guns.
@@Thurgosh_OG He has made the implication in other videos he's made after the fact. And BB Barrister covered that ridiculous implication ever so lightly. You must have seen Brendan 'setting the scene' for agro >"I may need some help" in the original 37minute video.
Thanks for the overview. I was walking through a High Street when suddenly a man jumped"in front of me, squatted down and took photos virtually up my nose. He then joined another man to discuss, expecting this old lady to present no problem. Well he'd really " got right up my nose!" I gave them a shouty problem for about half an hour, demanding the pictures be removed & they stated these rights. I now see I was actually in the right as the close proximity camera in my face was in effect "zooming in". I also couldn't get past the man till he'd finished without walking in the road, ie harassment?
Ironically UK has so many cameras set up all over the place they would have to have that "ability to video anyone in public" law or they 'd be breaking the law themselves.
I am not a fan of the Talk(ing heads) TV, but they are the only ones to have brought it up, and it is useful for free speech given some of the govts possible restrictions on demonstrations and so on, Piers Morgan has been neatly run up the flagpole for all to see and it has tied him to a point of view, which is poetically nice.
She Is Brit Transport Police, not Met Police, BTP have different powers attributed to their role. The laws for public spaces and the Met' Police guidelines shown here are not what she is working to. so I'd careful about accusing her of not knowing the law. I'm not an expert on the subject but know that there are distinct differences.
TH-cam at its best truthfull and honest people get a strike or flagged chinese lslam and any other human being hate full or don't know our laws get away with this crap so take the Great out of Brittain because its not
What's more interesting is why people are running around London promoting the CCP waving flags, do they not realise the British are not going to give a toss about their flag or the fact they're from China... I hope they enjoyed their trip. Well done explaining the law on photography, you nailed it from one photographer to another. :)
I live in the US, near a very popular tourist destination in the Southwest. I have seen quite a few Chinese families with young children waving their flags as they walk down the street over the years. Always slightly unsettling...
@@TazallaxThe CCP has a tight clamp around Chinese communities aboard - akin to how North Korea handles workers and government officials aboard. They have spies within these communities (including any schools where Chinese students study) that keep an eye on people. If anyone speaks out against the CCP they will be reported to party officials, from there the CCP will either harass them directly or target relatives/friends who still live in China in order to get them to stop.
These particular folks are 'Little Pinks'. It's their job to live in London and promote CCP. They aren't on 'vacation'. It's their job and I think they sought out Dr. K to make use of his 2million viewers.
What got me was the fact that they could not deal with being told no by an apparent no body and maybe thought that this recording would be edited by someone later as it most probably is in CCP.
Thanks Evan - you have saved me worrying about which of the many You Tube videos on this story that are in my feed that I should watch to find out what this is all about. I am a retired lawyer, and it's nearly 50 years since I studied criminal law and 42 since I practised it. But I believe that privacy is mostly a civil (not criminal) law matter, which might explain why the BTP officer didn't know her law, albeit she should know enough that it was not a criminal matter. It is though further complicated by the existence of a number of bye-laws that only affect railway premises - I am sorry to say I think she has probably become used to saying "you can't do that here" as a way of bringing a situation like this to an end, on the basis that most will not question her. Still not good enough though.
The thing I’ve learned about British law is that when you think you understand it… that’s your interpretation of it. There’s always another angle to look at things. Now I understand why solicitors rarely speak in absolutes.
@@evan yeah , it is why I failed one law module ( well sort of two as the law got changed once and I missed it). your GF should know there are two contract cases where the court (of equal rank) both made to me contradictory decisions on the same kind of facts and I could not see where they managed to find distinguishing points for the deviation one judge took. (see also Steve Lehto for a lot of US court cases which are interesting too )
As a fellow former New Jersey resident it was mind blowing that Brendan didn't tell those people to f**k off and get the hell out of his face after about 2 minutes.
That’s just not how Brendon thinks. He’s a Gentleman. Genuine, and caring. He enjoys meeting and interacting with people as much as he enjoys playing piano. (I’ve been subscribed to Brendon’s channel for several years.) @DrKBoogieWoogie 📻🙂
I wondered how you could spend 25 minute on this but it was great! Subscribed. You covered the law with such precision--thank your GF! This lawyer learned something. It's funny how much nuance there is to this encounter. Your humor and wit took it to another level. TY!
China records everyone everywhere and even has special recognition to give to those who are not the best citizens--pressuring people not to be so rude driving, etc... And they furnish cameras, software, etc to African countries provided they sign over rights to China?
Same here in Germany, I can take photos in public including coincidental depictions of people no problem. But if I seek out a person and take pictures of them they have the right to tell me to stop.
I was in Union Station in Los Angeles a few years ago, taking pictures of the architecture (those beautiful ceilings). A woman came toward me and asked if I had taken her picture. I said, “No, ma’am, just the ceiling.” She was okay and walked away. I later found out that I had captured her in one shot. I don’t photograph to sell, so I wasn’t worried. She felt better and so did I.
The weirdest sign about filming I've seen on a station was at King's Cross a few years ago. A TV documentary was being filmed and the notice said basically, if you don't want to risk being on film, don't use the station. This was on a densely typed A4 sheet stuck up well inside the station.
It was funny. When Dr. K was playing, he would from time to time ask: "How are we doing?" The producer or whoever, off camera, would say: "190 people watching" or something like that. ... The last time i checked the recorded stream, i.e. 1 week after the event, it had 8,631,190 views, 463k upvotes, 84,938 comments. And that's just the original video, then you have the reuploads with hundreds of thousands views, the comment videos (ditto), TV appearances, memes... (I had never heard of Dr K - I'm Portuguese -, but I subscribed to his channel.) Dr. K forfeited all his copyrights on the original streaming. He asked everybody to download it and archive it. If TH-cam takes down the original streaming (he received at least 9 notifications of "privacy concern" from TH-cam), he asks everybody to mass upload the archived version and take the piss out of Xi Jiping. (BTW, the piano was, on the last video I saw, recorded today, covered with Winnie The Poo teddy bears. Xi banned Winnie The Poo because Chinese people commented it was Xi's lookalike and made memes with Poo. 🤣 (This only gets better.) The Chinese community (and many brave Chinese living in mainland China!) have been amazing, scolding the Chinese "main characters" for disgracing a people's world image.
OK, to recap, someone livestreaming playing the famous piano is essentially *photobombed* by Chinese Nationals who are determined to stage some sort of confrontation, who first demand the video be deleted, and then try to change the narrative. This is unbelievably insane. I subbed your channel as part of my "keep learning about the rest of the world as you get old" feed, and I'm really glad I did. Cheers, Evan. Side comment RE: public people photos-- I've always avoided photographing people without their permission; one never knows what their situation is.
@@jacklinton4885if you've ever got your camera/,phone out to take a picture of a street scene,maybe a chance light effect is highlighting an architectural feature or bestowing a particular mood,and as you are framing and focusing the shot you suddenly find looming up before you a big strong fit man in full charge of his capacities and he is telling you in a polite but forcefully way that you are not allowed to take this photograph. And you realize he is that weak,abject beggar sitting,lost and oblivious in his sadness to the world around him on that bundle of rags that you hadn't even noticed. Your photo is going into your collection of local scenes in the County Archives. It's highly unlikely to be seen by anyone in police,HMRC or DWP. But you don't say anything. You pocket your device. That weak,abject beggar was not so much when stood in front of you just a fraction too close. And that Beggars Whine,replaced by an Authoritarian voice with a distinctly well educated modulation. Wot are they like,the friends of Da downtrodden in The People's Republic.
@@jacklinton4885you are absolutely correct. They were polite about asking, and realistically one never knows what kind of risk they are under as Chinese nationals. They did get heavy handed as Brendan got snippy, so both parties were wrong in the end. I was a big fan of Brendan before but chose to unsubscribe for escalating this. And to anyone harping about their flag waving, one can be patriotic and love their nation despite not loving their government. Do any of us have different flags if the government in power is not to our liking?
Earlier footage shows they were quite happy being filmed, introduced themselves, shaking hands, laughing and chatting to Brendan and even playing the piano... UNTIL Christine Lee turned up; a known CCP spy exposed by MI5 and now in hiding. Suddenly, their attitude to appearing on camera changed, realised Lee had been caught on camera and wanted their images removed as they are broadcasting Lee's whereabouts.
This is a really interesting and informative video - thanks Evan! We had an incident about 5 or 6 years ago where my son (around 4 at the time) insisted that he wanted to wear a Charmander outfit to go to walk to the shops to get a few bits. Fine. Pick your battles. But a young guy across the road, maybe early 20s, started taking photos of him in the street. I crossed over and approached him and asked him what he was doing and to stop and he just said he loved the outfit as he and his friends play Pokemon and wanted to show them. I knew as we were in the street there was nothing I could do about it. He wasn't indecent. But legally this guy could and did happily refuse to delete pictures of my child and I was well aware that he was going to go on and show, if not send them, around to complete strangers. It's a difficult one because I actually think it's fine for a legit photographer in a crowded place to take pictures that may include a child in the background. But instances like this I don't feel are ok - but how can the law be changed to specify which situation is allowed and which isn't. I doubt it can.
@@DieuwertjeSarathat’s like In super conservative societies you can’t view or depict women. It leads to burqas and for example the Hasidic New Yorkers using the normal grade school reading books but they scribble out all the girls’ faces. You can develop a culture that does this to children instead of women if you like but it will be similarly repressed and toxic and abusive and dis functional
One time I took photos of my children in a fun park. Someone called security because I accidentally included their children. Can't remember a bad outcome
@@EC-tz4us Not in this context of a live stream by a fixed camera in public. The station staff could ask him to stop live streaming for particular reason, but the CCP staff member (proven)& colleagues cannot demand he stop filming them, they needed to move or alert station staff who would have then sufficeint reason to ask him to stop. If it was a recorded video and he did not blur their faces or remove that segment, then yes he would be liable but all UK legal experts agree he is completely fine :)
Thanks for making this video as it clears up a lot of doubt. I've personally had too many bad brushes with the CCP while abroad too. Wish I could share them with you.
I have learned alot watching this and want to thank you for always taking the time to explain what's going on in a simple way that's easily understood.
As a British street photographer living in China, all of the many issues raised here resonate. I've obviously had confrontations myself with people telling me I can't photograph them, both in the UK and in China (in London I was told by a security guard I couldn't photograph the office building he was working in). Police not knowing the law is definitely more widespread than you might think - I am hooked on some channels that only film police in the US not knowing the law (mostly not understanding that citizens can refuse to provide ID when asked unless the police have reasonable suspicion they are committing a crime). Anyway, thanks for sharing. My key (Chinese) takeaway is never touch another woman's flag if you are not the same age.
He wasnt deliberately filming them. They only became identifiable when they came up to him. They were a film crew filming and didn't have any concern about the people they were filming.
The second reason is why before i had my three outdoor cameras installed, i went and spoke to my neighbours, because of the wide angle there is no way i can position them without bleed over on their properties. Without pointing them straight down, they were okay with that, in fact they all told me, that's fine with me, because if anything happens, you'll have it on cameras. Most people with home security don't use it to spy on their neighbours, im sure some try, and thats creepy af, but unless there's an issue, i never look at mine.
I was doing a random binge through @Laowhy86 videos and @ADVChina videos and this was suggested after. Love it. You, sir, are a favourite of mine and I love that I've just randomly found you covering something similar. Tis glorious. I would love to see you and him discussing differences between the UK, China and the US (you're from Jersey if im not mistaken and he's from New York and has a South African friend who lived in California so that could be a great friendly conversation about cultural differences)
Doesn't matter if the stations are private as these places are deemed as 'Publicly Assessible Areas. ' Publicly Assessible Areas ' are concidered the same as public areas even if it is on private land.
I remember this particular law coming up a few years ago with some students at Bath Spa Uni trying to take photos in the 'new' shopping area near the station in Bath. Someone was trying to take a few architecture photos in the morning light and got harassed by security guards. They were using a tripod. And yes, even that space, open 24/7 is privately owned, and the owners do enforce their right to require you get a permit. This sort of thing does come up every few years as people forget their rights and the laws etc etc.
Best dissection of this event I’ve seen! With so many elements, it is easy to confuse the main issue with the “noise”. The nerve of these visiting Communists to try to propagandize an event to Brits in their own country! Thank you Evan. Thank you Dr K for your knowledge, courage and peaceable demeanor.
@@thebasedgodmax1163 Bro it still has many traits of Communism. Not sure why you're commenting here on multiple comments calling them communists. What is your reason for spending your time doing this? You're not wrong, but why are you insistent on multiple replies? Are you simple a proud Chinese person or history nerd, or some more sinister?
@@CharlieReZa no, i''m a rational person who opposes people getting things wrong. I'm not Chinese nor am i a fan of China, but the people who believe China is firmly communist are showing their ignorance. this especially becomes a problem when so many commenters on this situation twist it into something racist against the "Chinese communists".
@@thebasedgodmax1163 The fact you think those comments are racists is why I thought you might be Chinese, or reside there or similar. There is far less truth and subjective racism online to oppose than calling China communists and posting an opinion that their attitude in this video was pretty awful.
@@CharlieReZa I'm not denying the attitude in the video is wrong. what I'm saying is that turning this into a narrative about how evil China is is racist. these five or so people in the video aren't the entire nation of China's people, yet racists are using this as bait. it's very telling that the guy in the video's first televised interview was with Piers Morgan on a tv channel mostly hosted by racists.
One thing that Evan never mentioned was the fact that the Chinese people weren't the focal point of the video. Another part of street photography is, if you are chasing someone around trying to get their image, that isn't permitted. Brenda's was the focal point of his stream, everyone else was just a background extra.
I get the difference, when in south korea, if i took a photo in public, of the street, in a cafe, etc, i had to blur everybodies face, yet in the UK, i can film and take photos of any public place and it doesnt matter who's in it. I think the important thing is recognising and following the laws of the land you are in. Because laws and rights are not universal.
As a Brit when growing up one of the first things I was shocked about that can get you legally in trouble in other countries was taking pictures or filming something in a public location for mounting of reasons (it could be simple as that said public location for some reason doesn’t allow photography full stop). The clear reason why that shocked me is well because I grew up here in the UK I was so use to our laws I couldn’t understand why it was such a issue (now that I’m grown up I do kinda get it in some countries but when it’s so minute I still wouldn’t understand why that’s a problem in those countries and I honestly wonder what would happen to someone that does break that said law and unfortunately deleting it ends up not a possible answer to solve it how can they get themselves out of it especially when it’s a livestream where you can’t just edit something out). Like one of the rights I grew up here knowing about from a young age was that I was legally allowed to take a photo or film something in a public location, but I was also told don’t be a creep about it or you will be arrested but as long you don’t be a creep you are completely fine and that you shouldn’t take a picture or film in private location because of copyright or trespassing on someone’s livelihood. Personally I find that completely reasonable way of getting told what you should or shouldn’t doing when taking pictures or filming someone in a public or private location, but back to when I started to learn about how heavily restricted it was to film or photograph something in other countries and that even a clearly just a scenery shot but unknowingly someone gets into that shot and they can get you legally in trouble for just that I was shocked as hell as I could not see how does that offend or hurt anyone in that said country, it makes me question then why the hell do you even allow the general public to even have cameras in the first place when a lot of places will heavily restrict it’s actually use. Anyway personally after hearing all this out I do find it absolutely ridiculous that the police even got involved in this matter and I’m sorry for those Chinese people but unfortunately your claims are just not valid here and you should honestly just took the advice and moved away from the camera if you really didn’t want to get filmed.
TBH, the police probably had to get involved because of breach of the peace. The male officer told the Chinese people that it was a public space and that they had no right to stop him, it was the female officer that extended the stop with her whole "you can't film me" nonsense. From watching the livesteam, my take away was if the male officer had been alone, he'd've told them to jog on and most of that situation would have been dealt with.
I'm not sorry for those Chinese. They acted opportunistically. They would have realized barging in and creating a scene would get them a LOT of publicity. I'm sure the general public were just walking past with barely a glance and not a flicker of interest.
@@janebaker966Publicity is what they should have avoided, considering Christine Lee; a known CCP spy in hiding was with them. They had no objections to the camera until her arrival.
@@andrewbrian7659 oh definitely agree of why the police got involved (and yah the female cop did technically make this worse from plain oblivious of the full law) but what precisely I found ridiculous was that honestly it could’ve easily been avoided if there was at least one decent person amongst them that casually without getting emotional and able to tell them what the laws are in the UK (and maybe not mention any other country so they could avoid any other possible accusation) or if honestly these Chinese people should’ve done their research on what the laws are here in the UK as at least I think this if you go abroad make sure you know that countries laws beforehand as going over there without knowing that either just makes you a idiot or you think your above the law (at least in other countries that is). That’s my take honestly.
@@ConnerTravis1998 I found the the Pianist to be very decent. He didn't get emotional or loud. He simply stood his ground and told the Chinese that they are not in communist China and he's allowed to film in a public place. He even told them several times to simply walk away. The escalation came when the Chinese shouted loudly and aggressively at the Pianist for not to touch her (He didn't touch her).
yup.For years the Spectator has been exposing how much of England-- in high places and educational places etc. have been infiltrated and bribed by CCP for years ..Is it Red Cambridge or Oxford? Another vid of proven spy in same company of D. Cameron and she was in the background of the Piano incident.the shouty man son of high up official in D, Province . used to threatening and orders being followed.
If somewhere is privately owned, but open to the general public, it’s still a public place and there’s no way they can stop photography even if they specifically request it. Also, trespass is not criminal, it’s civil, so it’s not a crime and not a police matter. Only aggravated trespass is a crime in the UK.
I think this is one of those things where the word crime means a surprisingly different thing across the pond. In the UK it’s used EXCLUSIVELY for breaking criminal law (as opposed to civil which according to my gf would be a… tort???) whereas in the states the word crime is a catchall.
You're wrong. You can be thrown out of privately owned spaces, regardless of if the public have access or not. Think of a department store for example, the public have access but if you don't follow their rules you could be ejected.
@@rikmoran3963how are they wrong. They never said you can't be removed. If you trespass reasonable force can be used to make you leave. Does not change the fact you can film that encounter if its public and it's not a crime.
I've been following this all week. I agree with Dr K and applaud him for standing up to his rights but I'm concerned that he might be attracting some more extreme elements that will latch on to this just to push a differant agenda
out of everything in this video, the police woman is the most infuriating person. What an absolute job's worth. She needs training, or to get off the force
As someone who makes ans sells their own products at yarn shows around the UK. One thing I'm kinda expected to do is take photos of my stand to promote the show. Sometimes, it's unavoidable that you end up taking those pics AFTER doors open, then it can be tricky to get them with no one in the pics. So, out of respect for my customers, I always try to only catch them from behind and not get their faces. The images are for self and show promotion, so having a random person from the public in the image is not a good thing if their face is showing, but i do feel its fine to have them in frame if their privacy is protected.
Did I hear someone saw under the shouting man-Newton Leng's-CV that he works as a consultant in Financial Times ? at linkin at the first item in his CV but now deleted??? 🤔
ALSO - This event at piano didn't get heated until a mysterious and silent woman arrived (in the background ) standing close to a male companion, both visible in video in deeper background to Brandon's right (1:09) - later identified as a CCP leader or handler - who clearly took a keen interest in the goings-on, but didn't get involved. Seems that the Little Pinks didn't amp-up until they knew they were being observed by the CCP women in background.
That police officer needs to go for some training, very badly. Not a good look for the UK police force and worst still for the metropolitan police. Big shame.
As someone filming in a publicly accessible area in the UK, it is essential to know that the law generally allows filming in public spaces as long as it does not violate any other legal statutes or individual rights. However, it is still vital to ensure that no laws are being broken, such as those related to harassment, public disturbance, or national security concerns.
In the Netherlands, the law is generally the same with regard to filming in public spaces. However, broadcasting the video (or pictures) is another story. If people are recognizable and you are filming for commercial purposes, which seems the case here, you would have to blur their faces when broadcasting, unless you have a pressing reason to show them. But since this is private property, the owner of the property would also have a voice in this. For this purpose, signs are generally posted to indicate filming is not permitted (in stations and shopping centers filming is generally not permitted, though they are very lenient). That said, I think in most cases it's the decent thing to blur people or cut people if they object.
These people are not interested in "deceny" though. They just have some "freedom" kick that doesn't concern themselves with how others might feel about for example being filmed without their permission and being made to look ridiculous to many millions of strangers and then when word gets around, everyone they know.
They should get out of the camera view then, it wasn’t difficult for them to do if they truly didn’t want their picture seen. And they were recording everything as well.
@@Benson_Bearyou don’t think people are intelligent enough to move out of the way instead of saying blur me out? He doesn’t blur in any of his videos. It’s public. Move your keister or get what you get. Your comment is unbelievable.
@@Benson_Bear We simply don't know that, that's the sad thing. The piano guy didn't have to take any notice of them, but if he was being nice, he could have done. Given this making internet videos seems to be what he does, it would be going well out of his way to do so to go back and delete his video, but if wanted to be particularly nice he could have done so. As far as I can see, it would have been awkward and unfortunate, but perfectly understandable, if he'd said: "I'm sorry, but no. I didn't set out to try and get you in the video, these videos are what I do, it's unfortunate but you're go to have to live with being in it." If he'd deleted it, it would have been him going out of his way to be extra nice. And that would have been a very decent thing to do. *But* we never got to that point, so we don't know what he'd have done, because he was never asked nicely! Instead, the conversation started with demands (even mis-stated invocation of the law). Obviously "people being nice and accommodating at a cost to themselves even though they don't have to be" doesn't tend to come from conversations that start with people coming up and making demands of them!
Thanks for adding a new perspective, that of the ownership of St Pancras angle. I remain on the side of the piano man, Brendan (but the rightwing thing afterwards left me uneasy). I watched the livestream video shortly after it was uploaded on TH-cam (it popped up in my feed although I had not heard of or watched Brendan before) and was somewhat surprised at how much it blew up. I've been following it more closely because I saw he was very soon on Talk TV (rightwing BS channel), spoke to Piers Morgan (a BSer of note) and spoke of talking to the Daily Express ( a filthy rightwing tabloid rag) and the Daily Mail (another filthy rightwing rag aka Daily Fail). But so far, while I shiver at the fact he has chosen to be on these shows or happily discuss Daily Mail & Express papers, Brendan has remained on point, without resorting to racist or xenophobic remarks (is jingoism a very slight form of um, hmm..see...? I'm not entirely sure he even transgressed on that side of the prejudice/bigotry scale. The only reason why I suspect he'd be, at most, guilty of jingoism, is the fact his case has been taken up so readily by the rightwing nutter tabloid press. But...meh) I have also seen other posted short videos of their interaction BEFORE the argument, including the explanation of why he initially thought they were part of the Japanese film crew also on site (Jim was their tour guide, I believe). The Chinese delegation indeed did protest too much, perfectly demonstrating the Streisand effect.
As a Chinese person I'm so sorry this happened to Brendan. They're just entitled rich Chinese people, they think they could do whatever they want just because they know or with a certain people. In China they'll get away with it. What a disgrace.
Agree! Ive met some of these people at their homes and they are monsters. There was an older women that served cake then was forced to play horse and trot on all fours while the 20 year old birthday girl rode on her back. In private this is how they act so its no surprise they want to mistreat foreign strangers while they are abroad.
They're not just entitled rich people. They're little pinks. CCP operatives. Little fascist bullies trying to take advantage of the politeness and freedoms of a free country.
Love it! Any recommendations for more UK law educational and fun content? I would like to learn more about the legal rights and processes, I follow some law-tubers but all from the USA
06:10 sure, you don’t need a permit but the subtext is they are watching for the next atrocity being planned. From memory registering didn’t cost anything and allows them to do a background check plus provide you with details of who to contact if you see something out of the ordinary.
lots of people have already “debunked” that as being like “don’t film him” (as in shooting a film etc) - Chinese English getting misunderstood rather than anything to do with actual firearms (thankfully)
Some of your photos were lovely. I'd love it if this guy was there ... For someone who campaigns for the right to use a camera in public without the interference of police or whoever, I recommend and absolutely adore, Auditing Britain. A man who often has more integrity than those we expect it from... Sometimes to a shocking degree, but he does it with a gentle manner, humour and a sharp mind. He is deservedly very, very popular. Give him a go. I can almost guarantee you will be laughing a lot.
I think you are absolutely fantastic at simplifying things that makes it easier to understand.i hear every word you said and understood and agreed with you one million percent.the Chinese folks what they were really doing was being psychologically manipulative.thank you for this video.positivity peace and love ♥️
1: There is NO reasonable expectation of privacy is a public place. 2: If you walk in frame when someone is filming, that's not them explicitly film you, that's them filming themselves & you just happen to walk by. 3: If you see someone is filming & don't want to be on camera, it's easier to go around than draw MORE attention to yourself by going up to them & saying you don't want to be filmed. That being said, to people who film in public, please remember that IS a public place & be courteous of the people around you. 4: If you're focusing in on a particular person, even in public, ask first. If it's just people in the background, but you're taking a pic of something else, that's different. This feels like then were intentionally trying to cause trouble...
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Law enforcement officers not knowing the law is an unfortunate reality across the world.
A policeman/woman walking up to you and telling you to stop XXXXX IS legal ... they are under zero legal liability to tell you the truth **until** you are under arrest - and my guess is she damn well knew it was legal to film - but tries that on to see if it works - IF she attempted to physically force the issue- that's different
They don't need to know the law. Their job is to intimidate people into submission.
Yes. And bank clerks not knowing banking rules.
ive seen the video the police woman doesnt tell him he cant film but asks if he wont record their chat for youtube, before ultimately having the chat on his camera anyway. the reason she didnt want that is because he was playing everything up for the camera. and thye understood the law because her partners first things he said to the people he had the dispute with was "hes in a public place he is allowed to film"
@@arbee1958is that UK law.
I heard something about the US police being allowed to lie to people but the UK police aren't but I'm unsure of the specifics of that
'Don't film me!"
*walks directly into frame*
'Don't film me!!!"
*stays in frame for literal minutes*
Also, to be clear, in St Pancras most people do walk on the side that was being filmed but the visibility to the piano is very clear, if you absolutely under no circumstance want to be filmed the area behind where the camera was is open and has fewer people making it even clearer for you to walk to. If you are walking towards the exit into frame, you can see through the glass that they were filming while also still being out of shot. If people must be entirely out of shot, it can be avoided both ways, people are often filming and filming in that direction, so if you are that kind of person you know to walk on the other side.
I was in St Pancras while the piano was closed, and my wife who plays was expecting to get a little play in which was disappointing. That piano is iconic, and I think it reflects a part of being British, it's not misused, it's not broken, and it's actually played, often you'll walk through and for someone to be playing it and it is really nice. Set up a piano in a US station and before it's broken beyond repair you'll have people mashing the keys making an awful sound, but on the other end of the spectrum if you set it up in a German station it will survive fine but because not many people are going to play it because they don't want to disturb others even if it being there is an invitation to play. The UK sits in a cultural position where it will be used and it won't be misused, it feels like other countries are off from that and where a public piano is a bad idea.
The fact that some Chinese people got something I would consider British barriered is significant.
I know that the Chinese people weren't just passing through, they wanted access to the piano, they wanted access to film... behind the piano is glass and lots of people walking past, they were going to film people and it was for a foreign language thing which that alone people feel iffy about if they can't then listen and find out what they have just been filmed for (Chinese people knew they were putting themselves in frame for someone playing a piano, not really a language barrier), but for it to then be Chinese is a whole other level.
I’m a designer and I take pictures all the time around London, on the Bus, on the Tube for ideas etc. I had a similar encounter with a few Foreign people asking me ‘Were they in my photo?’ This is when they have been walking past into my shot in a busy tube station, I said I don’t know I’m just taking shots for a project, they then started to ask me if they could look through my iPad and if they were can I delete it, I lost my rag and told them 🤬 off! 🤷🏾🤦🏾♂️
Credit to the Police officer who turned up and immediately stated filming in a public space is fine. The other officer though... embarrassing.
Dr.K makes videos for profit; it's reasonable to ask him to delete someone else from his video.
@@EC-tz4us To be honest, if it was me that they asked to delete the video, I would have just politely agreed and cut them in post production of the VOD however they would still be in the livestream anyway. It's not unreasonable to ask but you can't enforce it with any legal or socially acceptable power because he's not doing anything wrong and well within his rights to do what he did. I might not do the same thing but I will gladly defend him because he has that right.
@@EC-tz4usIt is reasonable yes, but it is not unreasonable for him to keep the video anyway. It only concerns the aspect of commercial release, and at the start they were in the background so no issues apart from when Brendan talked directly on camera to one of them.
We are also talking about a livestream here. How those rules on commercial release apply to a live stream would be interesting considering in such an event it would be unreasonable to expect Brendan to edit out faces whilst live.
@@dlarge6502 forcing pedestrians into a commercial livestream is very offensive
@@EC-tz4us Forcing kindergarten-aged children in China to hate the West is far more offensive.
After a message to Sir Elton John asking him what he thought of the piano being held hostage and when word got back Elton had been notified the piano was miraculously freed 👏
The Power of Elton 🤣😅
Yaaaasss❤🎉❤🎉 Free the Train Station piano!!😂🫡✌️ I love these videos!
The old woman had previously been named as a CCP spy by MI5. I remember it happening about 10 years ago.
When the man randomly yelled, the world laughed in unison at Communist China.When the lady lied about the live stream, the world laughed even harder.
When Dr K. showed Winnie the Pooh, the whole world laughed at Xi Jinping, as the likeness is unmistakable.
It doesn't look random, it looks like an exercise in provocation.
@@PsychicLord How can people even tell the difference? I was under the impression that he was holding a Xi Jinping portrait to apologize.
Smog smog- spot on!😂
😂😂😂 FACTS
It's ridiculous. They walked into the shot, insisted on staying within range of the camera, STUCK THEIR FACES in the camers, and then threw a tantrum over being filmed?? Why was anyone taking them seriously?
The one girl never took her eyes off the camera
Its because the ones blocking the camera with their faces are hiding the older woman behind them who is a known ccp 'diplomat' (read: spy).
I guess they confidently(incorrectly) assumed that it wouldn't matter if they were on camera or not, because they would be able to bully the cameraman into deleting the footage. Pity for them it was a livestream and they were wrong.
The first instance of the shot was when the camera turned to their direction after the youtuber pointed to them. By that time it was too late as their image was instantly captured. While the camera faced her and the youtuber gestured, she then approached to gesture back.
My thoughts exactly!
I'm sorry but CCP members asking for privacy is beyond ironic
Especially when one of the women in the video is on trial in China for copyright breaking
@@Trek001 how hard do you have to fuck up for copyright violation in *_CHINA???_*
If they don't want to stick out, maybe don't wave flags?? 🤷🏻♀️ Hey, whatever. 😂
Especially when Christine Lee; a known CCP spy can be seen with them.
@@Trek001And another one of them is a known Chinese government spy.
First rule of spy-club, don't draw unwanted attention to yourself.
A couple of points, Old Bean.
The Chinese TV crew were already filming themselves in the station.
They crew had already approached the pianist to have photos taken with him and were acting like fanboys until ...
The man who shouted approached and warned the crew off.
The man who shouted also warned the crew of an eminent person was arriving soon. This turned out to be a CCP official.
It all went South after the CCP woman arrived. NB She's stood next to a white guy behind and to the right of the pianist in the film as the man is shouting.
The piano was cordoned off after the ruckus and TH-cam have tried to 'strike' the pianist's channel ... coincidence? Doubtful.
This story is noteworthy as it throws an otherwise hidden light on how the CCP operates in Britain. There is no conspiracy here, and just because some on the 'right' have taken advantage of this does not mean that it is not illuminating. Trying to claim otherwise is disingenuous.
Actually it was a Japanese film crew. These CCP stooges happened to come along later.
Your comment had 1 reply, but when I clicked to read it none were shown. I’m curious: was it a reply from Evan which he has since deleted?
@@idontknowyouthatsmypurse That comment is hidden from me too. Probably YT being crap, as per.
@@I_Don_t_want_a_handle maybe it was spam or something and got reported? I've seen this happen in a lot of comment stream.
This turned out to be a CCP official.? Evidence please.
Has nothing to do with the Chinese government either unless you or anyone can show the evidence.
Those people should be told: "If you don't want your face to be shown in the video, simply don't stop in front of the camera. Nobody will notice you if you just walk fast. And maybe hide that red flag somewhere if you really don't want to be noticed.
"If you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao,ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow".
The funny thing is in another video, they walked into the frames themselves, knowing that the camera was on. 😅
The guy yelling should have been told if he doesn’t want his image online he should delete his own 2 TH-cam channels. He has now set them to made for kids to block comments and thumbs down. Not one of the videos is for kids.
@@santaerikclausNewton Leng??
As they were telling Brendan not to film them they were filming him! Someone else pointed that one of the women in the background is a Chinese spy, and they had evidence. These people should be deported back to China!
The police woman was a disgrace, she should have told the Chinese guy that in UK filming in public is not illegal.... End of story.
For years the Spectator has been exposing how much of England-- in high places and educational places etc. have been infiltrated and bribed by CCP for years ..Is it Red Cambridge or Oxford? Another vid of proven spy in same company of D. Cameron and she was in the background of the Piano incident.the shouty man son of high up official in D, Province . used to threatening and orders being followed.
She could’ve handled it better but nothing she said or did was wrong
@@Thomashorsman She was wrong about the law. Were you not paying attention or did your simp instincts kick in?
Yes she did sh e told him he could not state fact s or film.@@Thomashorsman
Filming in public is also not illegal in China. I don't think that Chinese guy knows Chinese law...
Police insisting they can't be filmed, almost as though they'd like to keep their operation a secret like some sort of secret police.
Yes, it really makes for a public distrust of the police which is the last thing they need.
Seeing Britain is an Islamic Black Indian Chinese state the clips should be taken down the police who are controlled by Sadiq khan should arrest you but they were busy taking down posters of Jewish children & women missing
Yes it's not acceptable!
Blue Suede Denim Police
Do no interact with UK police without recording it, they are 100% not to be trusted
One women in the background was identified as Christine Lee, named by MI5 as a Chinese agent
Well, Evan, your example about someone who would run around in the UK with a shotgon demanding U.S. arms rights - while being in Britain: That example perfectly illustrates the whole case, and fortunately Brendan Kavanaugh knew his UK rights as a UK citizen in the UK.
Just imagine a 16-year old German guy would start drinking a beer in the street in a "dry county" in the US, demanding that that's his right in Germany 🙈
This reminds me of when I was in the US Peace Corps. I was with a group heading to Guyana in South America. Because of problems in the country (one story involved a drunk Canadian threatening to kill the President and getting arrested), to be careful of what you said. One of the new Volunteers started in on how he had First Amendment Rights. The coordinators were trying to explain how we represented the US, we needed to be aware of local laws, etc. But he was having none of it. I finally got fed up, stood up, and said, "YOU are an idiot! Your First Amendment Rights end at the US border. The only Rights you have is what Guyana gives you. And if you piss them off, you'll be lucky they don't shoot you. So, shut up about Rights you don't have...except not to go to Guyana." He got quiet then. The coordinators called a break and during the breaks came up to thank me.
Sometimes dopey idiots have to be told common sense. the old "when in Rome......." !
National boundaries cannot contain stupidity.
Thanks for sharing.
And then everyone clapped
Technically everyone in the world has first amendment rights it just that it only applies to what the US and and it’s states, territories and local governments can do. So the US Government is not allowed to breach people’s first amendment rights but the Guyana government sure can or rather anything it does would not breach it.
I've been watching this as it's been unfolding this week (starting when it all kicked off last Friday). So many Eastern people have come out in favour of Brendan - a lot of Chinese people living in the UK, Japanese people, Taiwanese and loads more. It also turns out that one of the women (I think it's the one that was quite prominent in the video, but not the one with makeup on) has a lawsuit against her in China - for violation of the law they're accusing Brendan of supposedly violating and that they say they will get him criminally charged for. It's become insane.
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This went viral on Chinese social media too and most people sided with the piano man.
The Chinese people have been rinsed online, abused and even doxxed, which is probably a bit too far.
Turns out one of the ladies in the background was a CCP agent who was ousted by MI5 some time ago. Shit is wild
Yes, she does have a Lawsuit against her in China for something similar and a few of the others are known CCCP activists. Mahyar Tousi news on YT covered it recently.
This video has been going around in China and many are in support of Brendan and saying that the group has brought shame upon China. I hope they get admonished when they return to China. I am of Chinese descent.
This policewoman needs to be put on suspension and schooled on rights and freedoms.
So does half of the UK government who seems more intent to please foreigners than protect their own citizens
But then what did people expect when they voted for Sadiq Khan?
The policewoman can tell you to stand on one leg and sing "moon River" ... you are under no obligation to do it - and she's not under any obligation to tell you the truth... OR give you free legal advice - so Know your rights LOL
@@arbee1958 I was not aware that she had the right to tell you that you don't have the rights you do have. That seems a bit strange given her position of authority.
@@bjornskividsThe main downside of this incident is that it has brought the bigots out of the woodwork.
@@arbee1958 you must be Chinese
They are trying to rival the LAPD in embarrassing themselves 😅 oh dear. Great coverage 👏🏽
I don’t understand the “touching” part at all. He didn’t even touch her and they were trying to use S harassment as an attack. If you seen the earlier video, the lady was happily shaking his hands… and those cops. Ma God!
Brendan Kavanah is brilliant, been watching him for years. Its a shame that this stuff happens.
I prefer his mate Terry as a pianist.
@@dwayne_dibley Fair enough, I do like videos of when they're both playing together lol
The old adage is " There's no such thing as bad publicity ! "Hopefully he'll do well out of this ( shame about Piers Morgan though)
13:00 Evan, a lot of Chinese communist propagandists are basically trained to cry wolf at "alleged racism" at the first instance of painting the CCP in a negative light, regardless of whether actual racist remarks are involved
his videos often end with hostile interactions which he seeks out for views
Black Belt Barrister did a great breakdown on the legal privacy of the space
Ta. I'll take a look.
His privacy laws on public spaces was clearly spot on. But he did highlight Brendan's ridiculous claim about the possibility of him being shot by 'agents of the CCP'.
@@Humannondancer Brendan made no such claim. I've watched the original video. One of the women called out don't shoot him, don't shoot him and other chinese folk have said she was referring to shooting images/video, not guns.
@@Thurgosh_OG He has made the implication in other videos he's made after the fact. And BB Barrister covered that ridiculous implication ever so lightly.
You must have seen Brendan 'setting the scene' for agro >"I may need some help" in the original 37minute video.
It certainly seems to have struck a chord
a Noteworthy comment...
You're on key.
It was a minor incident.
@@GorgeDawes You're very Sharp...
@@GorgeDawes It was supposed to be, but then they decided to put it a major scale.
Thanks for the overview. I was walking through a High Street when suddenly a man jumped"in front of me, squatted down and took photos virtually up my nose. He then joined another man to discuss, expecting this old lady to present no problem. Well he'd really " got right up my nose!" I gave them a shouty problem for about half an hour, demanding the pictures be removed & they stated these rights. I now see I was actually in the right as the close proximity camera in my face was in effect "zooming in". I also couldn't get past the man till he'd finished without walking in the road, ie harassment?
Those are not Chinese they are group of antiCCP tring to smear China a bad image
Ironically UK has so many cameras set up all over the place they would have to have that "ability to video anyone in public" law or they 'd be breaking the law themselves.
The only thing actually news worthy about the whole thing is the policewoman who doesn't know the law
that was honestly my takeaway
I am not a fan of the Talk(ing heads) TV, but they are the only ones to have brought it up, and it is useful for free speech given some of the govts possible restrictions on demonstrations and so on, Piers Morgan has been neatly run up the flagpole for all to see and it has tied him to a point of view, which is poetically nice.
@@evan I would actually have liked to see a CPS prosectution for racism , if only to see it fail in court
She Is Brit Transport Police, not Met Police, BTP have different powers attributed to their role. The laws for public spaces and the Met' Police guidelines shown here are not what she is working to. so I'd careful about accusing her of not knowing the law. I'm not an expert on the subject but know that there are distinct differences.
@@dougoneill7266 The law is the law no matter what part of the police force you work for.
"take legal action" so far amounts to 8 complaints to TH-cam to take the video down
9, the last time I saw it.
TH-cam at its best truthfull and honest people get a strike or flagged chinese lslam and any other human being hate full or don't know our laws get away with this crap so take the Great out of Brittain because its not
Complaints from the CCP
Hopefully TH-cam rejects all complaints.
Don't worry about it . There are many copies out there. You're salty and you know it.
What's more interesting is why people are running around London promoting the CCP waving flags, do they not realise the British are not going to give a toss about their flag or the fact they're from China... I hope they enjoyed their trip. Well done explaining the law on photography, you nailed it from one photographer to another. :)
Especially if they're liable for any damage or disrespect shown to those flags.
I live in the US, near a very popular tourist destination in the Southwest. I have seen quite a few Chinese families with young children waving their flags as they walk down the street over the years. Always slightly unsettling...
@@TazallaxThe CCP has a tight clamp around Chinese communities aboard - akin to how North Korea handles workers and government officials aboard. They have spies within these communities (including any schools where Chinese students study) that keep an eye on people. If anyone speaks out against the CCP they will be reported to party officials, from there the CCP will either harass them directly or target relatives/friends who still live in China in order to get them to stop.
These particular folks are 'Little Pinks'. It's their job to live in London and promote CCP. They aren't on 'vacation'. It's their job and I think they sought out Dr. K to make use of his 2million viewers.
@@hughtube5154 There not liable on British grounds. Maybe in China, but not in the U.K.
What got me was the fact that they could not deal with being told no by an apparent no body and maybe thought that this recording would be edited by someone later as it most probably is in CCP.
Great video Evan. You dissected the situation with your usual wit and clarity. Keep them coming👍
Thanks Evan - you have saved me worrying about which of the many You Tube videos on this story that are in my feed that I should watch to find out what this is all about.
I am a retired lawyer, and it's nearly 50 years since I studied criminal law and 42 since I practised it. But I believe that privacy is mostly a civil (not criminal) law matter, which might explain why the BTP officer didn't know her law, albeit she should know enough that it was not a criminal matter. It is though further complicated by the existence of a number of bye-laws that only affect railway premises - I am sorry to say I think she has probably become used to saying "you can't do that here" as a way of bringing a situation like this to an end, on the basis that most will not question her. Still not good enough though.
The thing I’ve learned about British law is that when you think you understand it… that’s your interpretation of it. There’s always another angle to look at things. Now I understand why solicitors rarely speak in absolutes.
Girlies can't run police forces,phone companies,track + trace apps,banks or post offices,we've now found that out,to our cost,and some peoples lives.
What would she do if a fight broke out among football supporters .. call for a man.
@@evan yeah , it is why I failed one law module ( well sort of two as the law got changed once and I missed it). your GF should know there are two contract cases where the court (of equal rank) both made to me contradictory decisions on the same kind of facts and I could not see where they managed to find distinguishing points for the deviation one judge took. (see also Steve Lehto for a lot of US court cases which are interesting too )
She would run home crying.@@readmylisp
"Don't touch her".
thanks to this very polite young man this has become a 'meme' on Chinese social media. Winnie will be very unhappy :-)
Oh Noes, I just wondered what 4Chan: TNG are gonna do with that audio clip. ***shudder***
Poor unhappy Winnie. It's a f**king tragedy.😭😭😰😥😢
Comrade Newton Leng will be unhappy when Winnie's henchmen "explain" him that he shouldn't embarass his superiors.
As a fellow former New Jersey resident it was mind blowing that Brendan didn't tell those people to f**k off and get the hell out of his face after about 2 minutes.
I AGREE BUT HE IS A VERY POLITE AND DECENT MAN.
100% - exactly what I thought.
But precisely it was his politeness and charm what destroyed them.
That’s just not how Brendon thinks. He’s a Gentleman. Genuine, and caring. He enjoys meeting and interacting with people as much as he enjoys playing piano.
(I’ve been subscribed to Brendon’s channel for several years.)
@DrKBoogieWoogie
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Yeah but he isn't an American
I really like these videos that discuss recent events and news. A lot of times I'm too unbothered to read articles so this provides a nice medium
I wondered how you could spend 25 minute on this but it was great! Subscribed. You covered the law with such precision--thank your GF! This lawyer learned something. It's funny how much nuance there is to this encounter. Your humor and wit took it to another level. TY!
China records everyone everywhere and even has special recognition to give to those who are not the best citizens--pressuring people not to be so rude driving, etc... And they furnish cameras, software, etc to African countries provided they sign over rights to China?
Thank you for explaining the legal situation about public photography in Britain. That really helps. And the nuances are important.
Same here in Germany, I can take photos in public including coincidental depictions of people no problem. But if I seek out a person and take pictures of them they have the right to tell me to stop.
Which like… is fair enough
Afaik the law in Germany arose over a century ago because of public uproar after pictures of the dead body of a chancellor were published.
Same in Portugal.
Same in the Netherlands
Same in the whole EU, it's EU law.
I was in Union Station in Los Angeles a few years ago, taking pictures of the architecture (those beautiful ceilings). A woman came toward me and asked if I had taken her picture. I said, “No, ma’am, just the ceiling.” She was okay and walked away. I later found out that I had captured her in one shot. I don’t photograph to sell, so I wasn’t worried. She felt better and so did I.
Thanks for this well-informed commentary. I now know a bit more about our laws than I did when I woke up this morning!
The weirdest sign about filming I've seen on a station was at King's Cross a few years ago. A TV documentary was being filmed and the notice said basically, if you don't want to risk being on film, don't use the station. This was on a densely typed A4 sheet stuck up well inside the station.
It was funny. When Dr. K was playing, he would from time to time ask: "How are we doing?"
The producer or whoever, off camera, would say: "190 people watching" or something like that.
... The last time i checked the recorded stream, i.e. 1 week after the event, it had 8,631,190 views, 463k upvotes, 84,938 comments. And that's just the original video, then you have the reuploads with hundreds of thousands views, the comment videos (ditto), TV appearances, memes... (I had never heard of Dr K - I'm Portuguese -, but I subscribed to his channel.)
Dr. K forfeited all his copyrights on the original streaming. He asked everybody to download it and archive it. If TH-cam takes down the original streaming (he received at least 9 notifications of "privacy concern" from TH-cam), he asks everybody to mass upload the archived version and take the piss out of Xi Jiping.
(BTW, the piano was, on the last video I saw, recorded today, covered with Winnie The Poo teddy bears. Xi banned Winnie The Poo because Chinese people commented it was Xi's lookalike and made memes with Poo. 🤣 (This only gets better.)
The Chinese community (and many brave Chinese living in mainland China!) have been amazing, scolding the Chinese "main characters" for disgracing a people's world image.
OK, to recap, someone livestreaming playing the famous piano is essentially *photobombed* by Chinese Nationals who are determined to stage some sort of confrontation, who first demand the video be deleted, and then try to change the narrative. This is unbelievably insane.
I subbed your channel as part of my "keep learning about the rest of the world as you get old" feed, and I'm really glad I did. Cheers, Evan.
Side comment RE: public people photos-- I've always avoided photographing people without their permission; one never knows what their situation is.
And get loads of publicity instead of being ignored.
@@jacklinton4885if you've ever got your camera/,phone out to take a picture of a street scene,maybe a chance light effect is highlighting an architectural feature or bestowing a particular mood,and as you are framing and focusing the shot you suddenly find looming up before you a big strong fit man in full charge of his capacities and he is telling you in a polite but forcefully way that you are not allowed to take this photograph. And you realize he is that weak,abject beggar sitting,lost and oblivious in his sadness to the world around him on that bundle of rags that you hadn't even noticed. Your photo is going into your collection of local scenes in the County Archives. It's highly unlikely to be seen by anyone in police,HMRC or DWP. But you don't say anything. You pocket your device. That weak,abject beggar was not so much when stood in front of you just a fraction too close. And that Beggars Whine,replaced by an Authoritarian voice with a distinctly well educated modulation. Wot are they like,the friends of Da downtrodden in The People's Republic.
@@jacklinton4885you are absolutely correct. They were polite about asking, and realistically one never knows what kind of risk they are under as Chinese nationals.
They did get heavy handed as Brendan got snippy, so both parties were wrong in the end. I was a big fan of Brendan before but chose to unsubscribe for escalating this.
And to anyone harping about their flag waving, one can be patriotic and love their nation despite not loving their government. Do any of us have different flags if the government in power is not to our liking?
@@jacklinton4885 His attitude doesn't really matter. He knew his rights and never overstepped them.
Earlier footage shows they were quite happy being filmed, introduced themselves, shaking hands, laughing and chatting to Brendan and even playing the piano... UNTIL Christine Lee turned up; a known CCP spy exposed by MI5 and now in hiding. Suddenly, their attitude to appearing on camera changed, realised Lee had been caught on camera and wanted their images removed as they are broadcasting Lee's whereabouts.
Piano Jokes are not Evan's forte.
Well done.
Lol
I think you could say it is his *piano*
That joke struck a chord
a Noteworthy comment...
This is a really interesting and informative video - thanks Evan! We had an incident about 5 or 6 years ago where my son (around 4 at the time) insisted that he wanted to wear a Charmander outfit to go to walk to the shops to get a few bits. Fine. Pick your battles. But a young guy across the road, maybe early 20s, started taking photos of him in the street. I crossed over and approached him and asked him what he was doing and to stop and he just said he loved the outfit as he and his friends play Pokemon and wanted to show them. I knew as we were in the street there was nothing I could do about it. He wasn't indecent. But legally this guy could and did happily refuse to delete pictures of my child and I was well aware that he was going to go on and show, if not send them, around to complete strangers. It's a difficult one because I actually think it's fine for a legit photographer in a crowded place to take pictures that may include a child in the background. But instances like this I don't feel are ok - but how can the law be changed to specify which situation is allowed and which isn't. I doubt it can.
If one wears an 'unusual' outfit, then one is increasing the chance of being photographed. To lessen the risk, were everyday clothing.
In Norway it’s illegal to take pictures of a child in public without parental consent. That could be a good addition to the law.
As you said you chose your battle. Accept the natural consequences, they are just.
@@DieuwertjeSarathat’s like In super conservative societies you can’t view or depict women. It leads to burqas and for example the Hasidic New Yorkers using the normal grade school reading books but they scribble out all the girls’ faces. You can develop a culture that does this to children instead of women if you like but it will be similarly repressed and toxic and abusive and dis functional
One time I took photos of my children in a fun park. Someone called security because I accidentally included their children. Can't remember a bad outcome
The police woman though. Haha, epic fail. Also, can someone point me, since when CCP is a race/ethnicity? Hahaha!
Dr.K makes videos for profit; it's reasonable to ask him to delete someone else from his video.
@@EC-tz4us Not in this context of a live stream by a fixed camera in public. The station staff could ask him to stop live streaming for particular reason, but the CCP staff member (proven)& colleagues cannot demand he stop filming them, they needed to move or alert station staff who would have then sufficeint reason to ask him to stop. If it was a recorded video and he did not blur their faces or remove that segment, then yes he would be liable but all UK legal experts agree he is completely fine :)
@@EC-tz4us not its not you doofus
Leave the flag home if it's difficult to keep it safe😅
They are Little Pinks. They are jingoistic as hell
Preferably in China
Thanks for making this video as it clears up a lot of doubt. I've personally had too many bad brushes with the CCP while abroad too. Wish I could share them with you.
I have learned alot watching this and want to thank you for always taking the time to explain what's going on in a simple way that's easily understood.
A great talk and a very good explanation ! Thank you 😊.
Thank you for this video. I'm an American living vicariously through you, I want to live in England.
As a British street photographer living in China, all of the many issues raised here resonate. I've obviously had confrontations myself with people telling me I can't photograph them, both in the UK and in China (in London I was told by a security guard I couldn't photograph the office building he was working in). Police not knowing the law is definitely more widespread than you might think - I am hooked on some channels that only film police in the US not knowing the law (mostly not understanding that citizens can refuse to provide ID when asked unless the police have reasonable suspicion they are committing a crime). Anyway, thanks for sharing. My key (Chinese) takeaway is never touch another woman's flag if you are not the same age.
Never touch another woman's flag if yours is only at half-mast.
Is that... a red flag, so to speak?
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You can only touch her flag if she touches your flag pole.
He wasnt deliberately filming them. They only became identifiable when they came up to him. They were a film crew filming and didn't have any concern about the people they were filming.
The second reason is why before i had my three outdoor cameras installed, i went and spoke to my neighbours, because of the wide angle there is no way i can position them without bleed over on their properties. Without pointing them straight down, they were okay with that, in fact they all told me, that's fine with me, because if anything happens, you'll have it on cameras. Most people with home security don't use it to spy on their neighbours, im sure some try, and thats creepy af, but unless there's an issue, i never look at mine.
You can place blinds next to the camera to stop the full range of view
@r8chlletters i could, yes. Thats more work than just asking my neighbours if they're okay with it. Lol. Which they actually were.
You are 100% on point with everything you said in this video!!!
I was doing a random binge through @Laowhy86 videos and @ADVChina videos and this was suggested after. Love it. You, sir, are a favourite of mine and I love that I've just randomly found you covering something similar. Tis glorious. I would love to see you and him discussing differences between the UK, China and the US (you're from Jersey if im not mistaken and he's from New York and has a South African friend who lived in California so that could be a great friendly conversation about cultural differences)
Omg. Another person that watches ADVChina and Evan Edinger?
What a gift this video is...I was watching this when this went down... I love Brendan . Thank you for helping me understand what was going on....
Doesn't matter if the stations are private as these places are deemed as 'Publicly Assessible Areas. ' Publicly Assessible Areas ' are concidered the same as public areas even if it is on private land.
only for the enforcement of law of things you cannot do in a public space, not always of the things you have a right to do in a public space
I remember this particular law coming up a few years ago with some students at Bath Spa Uni trying to take photos in the 'new' shopping area near the station in Bath.
Someone was trying to take a few architecture photos in the morning light and got harassed by security guards. They were using a tripod.
And yes, even that space, open 24/7 is privately owned, and the owners do enforce their right to require you get a permit.
This sort of thing does come up every few years as people forget their rights and the laws etc etc.
Of course one should not forget that the owner of St Pancras is a public sector company, a regulated monopoly. Technically owned by the people.
and Dr K kept saying, 'You're not their personal security.' Because that was how she was acting.
The CCP desperately needed this positive light upon their actors. A blight upon humanity.
Best dissection of this event I’ve seen! With so many elements, it is easy to confuse the main issue with the “noise”. The nerve of these visiting Communists to try to propagandize an event to Brits in their own country! Thank you Evan. Thank you Dr K for your knowledge, courage and peaceable demeanor.
begging you to read a history book or even a damn Wikipedia page if you think China is a "communist" country.
@@thebasedgodmax1163 Bro it still has many traits of Communism. Not sure why you're commenting here on multiple comments calling them communists. What is your reason for spending your time doing this? You're not wrong, but why are you insistent on multiple replies? Are you simple a proud Chinese person or history nerd, or some more sinister?
@@CharlieReZa no, i''m a rational person who opposes people getting things wrong. I'm not Chinese nor am i a fan of China, but the people who believe China is firmly communist are showing their ignorance. this especially becomes a problem when so many commenters on this situation twist it into something racist against the "Chinese communists".
@@thebasedgodmax1163 The fact you think those comments are racists is why I thought you might be Chinese, or reside there or similar. There is far less truth and subjective racism online to oppose than calling China communists and posting an opinion that their attitude in this video was pretty awful.
@@CharlieReZa I'm not denying the attitude in the video is wrong. what I'm saying is that turning this into a narrative about how evil China is is racist. these five or so people in the video aren't the entire nation of China's people, yet racists are using this as bait. it's very telling that the guy in the video's first televised interview was with Piers Morgan on a tv channel mostly hosted by racists.
At last, some clarification of the law as regards this Chinese/UK piano dispute. Thanks Evan for this.
Communism is the virus 🦠
One thing that Evan never mentioned was the fact that the Chinese people weren't the focal point of the video.
Another part of street photography is, if you are chasing someone around trying to get their image, that isn't permitted.
Brenda's was the focal point of his stream, everyone else was just a background extra.
I get the difference, when in south korea, if i took a photo in public, of the street, in a cafe, etc, i had to blur everybodies face, yet in the UK, i can film and take photos of any public place and it doesnt matter who's in it.
I think the important thing is recognising and following the laws of the land you are in.
Because laws and rights are not universal.
Having not really followed the story, I really enjoyed the explanation.
You are good at explaining things and totally agree with what is private and what is not.
Thank you for the video. I found it very informative
Congrats “Little Pinkies” you are famous worldwide! Should be proud of it❤😂😂
I understand that it's called Little Pink Derangement Syndrome.
What it that means?
Great video, thanks Evan. So informative to this Aussie. What a load of nothing turned into a big deal!
As a Brit when growing up one of the first things I was shocked about that can get you legally in trouble in other countries was taking pictures or filming something in a public location for mounting of reasons (it could be simple as that said public location for some reason doesn’t allow photography full stop).
The clear reason why that shocked me is well because I grew up here in the UK I was so use to our laws I couldn’t understand why it was such a issue (now that I’m grown up I do kinda get it in some countries but when it’s so minute I still wouldn’t understand why that’s a problem in those countries and I honestly wonder what would happen to someone that does break that said law and unfortunately deleting it ends up not a possible answer to solve it how can they get themselves out of it especially when it’s a livestream where you can’t just edit something out). Like one of the rights I grew up here knowing about from a young age was that I was legally allowed to take a photo or film something in a public location, but I was also told don’t be a creep about it or you will be arrested but as long you don’t be a creep you are completely fine and that you shouldn’t take a picture or film in private location because of copyright or trespassing on someone’s livelihood.
Personally I find that completely reasonable way of getting told what you should or shouldn’t doing when taking pictures or filming someone in a public or private location, but back to when I started to learn about how heavily restricted it was to film or photograph something in other countries and that even a clearly just a scenery shot but unknowingly someone gets into that shot and they can get you legally in trouble for just that I was shocked as hell as I could not see how does that offend or hurt anyone in that said country, it makes me question then why the hell do you even allow the general public to even have cameras in the first place when a lot of places will heavily restrict it’s actually use.
Anyway personally after hearing all this out I do find it absolutely ridiculous that the police even got involved in this matter and I’m sorry for those Chinese people but unfortunately your claims are just not valid here and you should honestly just took the advice and moved away from the camera if you really didn’t want to get filmed.
TBH, the police probably had to get involved because of breach of the peace. The male officer told the Chinese people that it was a public space and that they had no right to stop him, it was the female officer that extended the stop with her whole "you can't film me" nonsense. From watching the livesteam, my take away was if the male officer had been alone, he'd've told them to jog on and most of that situation would have been dealt with.
I'm not sorry for those Chinese. They acted opportunistically. They would have realized barging in and creating a scene would get them a LOT of publicity. I'm sure the general public were just walking past with barely a glance and not a flicker of interest.
@@janebaker966Publicity is what they should have avoided, considering Christine Lee; a known CCP spy in hiding was with them. They had no objections to the camera until her arrival.
@@andrewbrian7659 oh definitely agree of why the police got involved (and yah the female cop did technically make this worse from plain oblivious of the full law) but what precisely I found ridiculous was that honestly it could’ve easily been avoided if there was at least one decent person amongst them that casually without getting emotional and able to tell them what the laws are in the UK (and maybe not mention any other country so they could avoid any other possible accusation) or if honestly these Chinese people should’ve done their research on what the laws are here in the UK as at least I think this if you go abroad make sure you know that countries laws beforehand as going over there without knowing that either just makes you a idiot or you think your above the law (at least in other countries that is). That’s my take honestly.
@@ConnerTravis1998 I found the the Pianist to be very decent. He didn't get emotional or loud. He simply stood his ground and told the Chinese that they are not in communist China and he's allowed to film in a public place. He even told them several times to simply walk away. The escalation came when the Chinese shouted loudly and aggressively at the Pianist for not to touch her (He didn't touch her).
Another great factual video, lovely mid week surprise! And my god, your lighting and lens choices are just gorgeous here.
The MI5 connection is infered from the lack of coverage by BBC and ITV. someone is putting the lid on this story on mainstream media
No it's because of Christine lee being there. MI5 previously identified her as a CCP spy when she had infiltrated the British government.
yup.For years the Spectator has been exposing how much of England-- in high places and educational places etc. have been infiltrated and bribed by CCP for years ..Is it Red Cambridge or Oxford? Another vid of proven spy in same company of D. Cameron and she was in the background of the Piano incident.the shouty man son of high up official in D, Province . used to threatening and orders being followed.
No surprises there. Mainstream media has consistently come out on the wrong side of issues for the last 20+ years but even more so since c19
Why would they cover it?
I can just see the BBC news at 9....
People have argument at station. Police talk to them.
That would draw the viewers in.
If somewhere is privately owned, but open to the general public, it’s still a public place and there’s no way they can stop photography even if they specifically request it. Also, trespass is not criminal, it’s civil, so it’s not a crime and not a police matter. Only aggravated trespass is a crime in the UK.
I think this is one of those things where the word crime means a surprisingly different thing across the pond. In the UK it’s used EXCLUSIVELY for breaking criminal law (as opposed to civil which according to my gf would be a… tort???) whereas in the states the word crime is a catchall.
You're wrong. You can be thrown out of privately owned spaces, regardless of if the public have access or not. Think of a department store for example, the public have access but if you don't follow their rules you could be ejected.
@@evan as their was a real Chinese s. p. y in the background .
@@rikmoran3963But its not the police who makes that decision.
@@rikmoran3963how are they wrong. They never said you can't be removed. If you trespass reasonable force can be used to make you leave. Does not change the fact you can film that encounter if its public and it's not a crime.
I've been following this all week. I agree with Dr K and applaud him for standing up to his rights but I'm concerned that he might be attracting some more extreme elements that will latch on to this just to push a differant agenda
out of everything in this video, the police woman is the most infuriating person. What an absolute job's worth. She needs training, or to get off the force
Also, if you watch the live stream carefully, you'll see that they were actually filming him whilst telling him not to film them. 😂
This upload made me forget it's not Sunday and I still have the whole weekend left
As Taiwanese, l guess it just time to let everyone know what happen to us everyday
Yes 👍🏾
Yeah no.
as taiwanese u didnt know those are not chinese and they are antiCCP trying to smear china bad image anyway u are part of it as well
As someone who makes ans sells their own products at yarn shows around the UK. One thing I'm kinda expected to do is take photos of my stand to promote the show. Sometimes, it's unavoidable that you end up taking those pics AFTER doors open, then it can be tricky to get them with no one in the pics. So, out of respect for my customers, I always try to only catch them from behind and not get their faces. The images are for self and show promotion, so having a random person from the public in the image is not a good thing if their face is showing, but i do feel its fine to have them in frame if their privacy is protected.
Totally brilliant watch Evan. Thanks for being a Brit!❤
England listen to China now, so sad!
Did I hear someone saw under the shouting man-Newton Leng's-CV that he works as a consultant in Financial Times ? at linkin at the first item in his CV but now deleted??? 🤔
ALSO - This event at piano didn't get heated until a mysterious and silent woman arrived (in the background ) standing close to a male companion, both visible in video in deeper background to Brandon's right (1:09) - later identified as a CCP leader or handler - who clearly took a keen interest in the goings-on, but didn't get involved. Seems that the Little Pinks didn't amp-up until they knew they were being observed by the CCP women in background.
Believed to be Christine Lee.
CCP handler served two scoops "Streisand Effect" with "Little Pink" cherry on top.
That police officer needs to go for some training, very badly. Not a good look for the UK police force and worst still for the metropolitan police. Big shame.
As someone filming in a publicly accessible area in the UK, it is essential to know that the law generally allows filming in public spaces as long as it does not violate any other legal statutes or individual rights. However, it is still vital to ensure that no laws are being broken, such as those related to harassment, public disturbance, or national security concerns.
In the Netherlands, the law is generally the same with regard to filming in public spaces. However, broadcasting the video (or pictures) is another story. If people are recognizable and you are filming for commercial purposes, which seems the case here, you would have to blur their faces when broadcasting, unless you have a pressing reason to show them. But since this is private property, the owner of the property would also have a voice in this. For this purpose, signs are generally posted to indicate filming is not permitted (in stations and shopping centers filming is generally not permitted, though they are very lenient).
That said, I think in most cases it's the decent thing to blur people or cut people if they object.
These people are not interested in "deceny" though. They just have some "freedom" kick that doesn't concern themselves with how others might feel about for example being filmed without their permission and being made to look ridiculous to many millions of strangers and then when word gets around, everyone they know.
They should get out of the camera view then, it wasn’t difficult for them to do if they truly didn’t want their picture seen. And they were recording everything as well.
@@Benson_Bearyou don’t think people are intelligent enough to move out of the way instead of saying blur me out? He doesn’t blur in any of his videos. It’s public. Move your keister or get what you get. Your comment is unbelievable.
@@Benson_Bear We simply don't know that, that's the sad thing.
The piano guy didn't have to take any notice of them, but if he was being nice, he could have done. Given this making internet videos seems to be what he does, it would be going well out of his way to do so to go back and delete his video, but if wanted to be particularly nice he could have done so. As far as I can see, it would have been awkward and unfortunate, but perfectly understandable, if he'd said: "I'm sorry, but no. I didn't set out to try and get you in the video, these videos are what I do, it's unfortunate but you're go to have to live with being in it." If he'd deleted it, it would have been him going out of his way to be extra nice. And that would have been a very decent thing to do.
*But* we never got to that point, so we don't know what he'd have done, because he was never asked nicely! Instead, the conversation started with demands (even mis-stated invocation of the law). Obviously "people being nice and accommodating at a cost to themselves even though they don't have to be" doesn't tend to come from conversations that start with people coming up and making demands of them!
Except blurring faces in a livestream is impossible. This was 100% live.
Thanks for adding a new perspective, that of the ownership of St Pancras angle. I remain on the side of the piano man, Brendan (but the rightwing thing afterwards left me uneasy). I watched the livestream video shortly after it was uploaded on TH-cam (it popped up in my feed although I had not heard of or watched Brendan before) and was somewhat surprised at how much it blew up.
I've been following it more closely because I saw he was very soon on Talk TV (rightwing BS channel), spoke to Piers Morgan (a BSer of note) and spoke of talking to the Daily Express ( a filthy rightwing tabloid rag) and the Daily Mail (another filthy rightwing rag aka Daily Fail). But so far, while I shiver at the fact he has chosen to be on these shows or happily discuss Daily Mail & Express papers, Brendan has remained on point, without resorting to racist or xenophobic remarks (is jingoism a very slight form of um, hmm..see...? I'm not entirely sure he even transgressed on that side of the prejudice/bigotry scale. The only reason why I suspect he'd be, at most, guilty of jingoism, is the fact his case has been taken up so readily by the rightwing nutter tabloid press. But...meh)
I have also seen other posted short videos of their interaction BEFORE the argument, including the explanation of why he initially thought they were part of the Japanese film crew also on site (Jim was their tour guide, I believe).
The Chinese delegation indeed did protest too much, perfectly demonstrating the Streisand effect.
As a Chinese person I'm so sorry this happened to Brendan. They're just entitled rich Chinese people, they think they could do whatever they want just because they know or with a certain people. In China they'll get away with it. What a disgrace.
Agree! Ive met some of these people at their homes and they are monsters. There was an older women that served cake then was forced to play horse and trot on all fours while the 20 year old birthday girl rode on her back. In private this is how they act so its no surprise they want to mistreat foreign strangers while they are abroad.
They're not just entitled rich people. They're little pinks. CCP operatives. Little fascist bullies trying to take advantage of the politeness and freedoms of a free country.
Love it! Any recommendations for more UK law educational and fun content? I would like to learn more about the legal rights and processes, I follow some law-tubers but all from the USA
06:10 sure, you don’t need a permit but the subtext is they are watching for the next atrocity being planned. From memory registering didn’t cost anything and allows them to do a background check plus provide you with details of who to contact if you see something out of the ordinary.
When shouty guy is screaming 'DON'T TOUCH HER' over and over, the woman was saying 'Don't shoot him' several times
lots of people have already “debunked” that as being like “don’t film him” (as in shooting a film etc) - Chinese English getting misunderstood rather than anything to do with actual firearms (thankfully)
Superb as always. This is one of my favourite TH-cam videos that you have made. 😊
Lol I edited out the typo soz Evan 👍🏼
Suburb? But I'm a city guy now!
@@evan it's your very district style that keeps boroughing into peoples hearts and feeds.
@@brigidsingleton1596 and here i thought Germans were the ones without a sense of humour.
@@K__a__M__Iright? Just when you think you left grammar school someone has to be your teacher like this a professional space.
@@brigidsingleton1596 could have been worse , might have meant Suburp
Some of your photos were lovely.
I'd love it if this guy was there ... For someone who campaigns for the right to use a camera in public without the interference of police or whoever, I recommend and absolutely adore, Auditing Britain. A man who often has more integrity than those we expect it from... Sometimes to a shocking degree, but he does it with a gentle manner, humour and a sharp mind. He is deservedly very, very popular. Give him a go. I can almost guarantee you will be laughing a lot.
Great Video again. I've leant something new..very well put. It's annoying that the police did not know the Law .
Evan-you have a great channel !
Small point: Railway Station in the UK though Train Station (from the USA) is becoming common.
unironically you played 'chopsticks' lol
You combine Jesuitical logic with fairness and humour. Nicely done, thanks.
Those Jesuits are everywhere.....
I think you are absolutely fantastic at simplifying things that makes it easier to understand.i hear every word you said and understood and agreed with you one million percent.the Chinese folks what they were really doing was being psychologically manipulative.thank you for this video.positivity peace and love ♥️
I agree: excellent diction, clearly stated
Yay! Nicely done! Thanks ol' chap!.
1: There is NO reasonable expectation of privacy is a public place.
2: If you walk in frame when someone is filming, that's not them explicitly film you, that's them filming themselves & you just happen to walk by.
3: If you see someone is filming & don't want to be on camera, it's easier to go around than draw MORE attention to yourself by going up to them & saying you don't want to be filmed. That being said, to people who film in public, please remember that IS a public place & be courteous of the people around you.
4: If you're focusing in on a particular person, even in public, ask first. If it's just people in the background, but you're taking a pic of something else, that's different.
This feels like then were intentionally trying to cause trouble...