I always knew Honda ATs were unique and basically manuals, but it's cool to actually see what's inside of one. These things definitely like frequent fluid changes, I notice a positive difference in shift quality every time I service mine. And I do it every 15-20,000 miles lol
They suck, because they require very specific automatic transmission fluid from Honda to function properly and prolong long life. Honda DW-1 fluid is expensive!
@@francoisgirard2306 holy shit…you're right! In 2017, in the 10 speed… Soichiro was against the idea of planetary gears, hence the development of the Hondamatic. I'm disappointed.
I'm a design engineer for a 2nd tier supplier. For those of you wondering, this concept was built upon a 40 yr old design that has been developed over the years through an iterative process. Designers usually don't come up with this from scratch, why reinvent the wheel when we can perfect it! With that being said: anybody with the right mindset and attitude can be an engineer. Anybody can do this!
"...anybody with the right mindset and attitude can be an engineer. Anybody can do this!" This comment deserves a TH-cam "All Thumbs Alert" (ATA). ATA-boy Lo-pee!
Mechanic here. It's worth noting that there was often a second, external fluid filter that was easily replaced. V6 transmission failures are largely isolated to models before around 2005, and were primarily the result of poor cooler circuit flow in the valve body. That caused the converter clutch to sometimes drag, building up excessive heat, and eventually burning second gear.. other gears followed. Early 5-speed models had additional cooling jets to help reduce the heat, but the aftermarket eventually discovered ways to modify the cooler circuit and virtually end premature trans failures.
I have a BXMA with a flaring 4th gear, and i probably should get this external filter installed before the trans burns itself up. Ive been reading about it.
@@speedkar99 Nah the main difference there is the second fluid pump, but they still fail like all the others. Rebuilt a number of these, a few of which were from Accord hybrids, and of course dealt with a million at the dealership. A good valve body cleaning including polishing the bores, pressure testing the valves, modifying cooler flow, etc. works wonders. Very rarely see internal filter restrictions - those usually happen with burned clutches from driving with slips and flares too long.
@@TuneStunnaMusic I'd say it's probably too late to save with just a filter. You may be looking at excessive clutch wear, a damaged bore, etc. If it flares only during the 3-4 upshift but doesn't slip once engaged in 4th, you CAN baby it for quite a while. I know customers that have limped flaring 2nd gears for 20,000-50,000 miles.
@@TuneStunnaMusic I'd say it's probably too late to save with just a filter. You may be looking at excessive clutch wear, a damaged bore, etc. If it flares only during the 3-4 upshift but doesn't slip once engaged in 4th, you CAN baby it for quite a while. I know customers that have limped flaring 2nd gears for 20,000-50,000 miles.
The best explanation I have herd . very minor point is at 21:00 min the oil goes around the gears as it can not go through/ between the gears . excelant presentation .
I rebuilt one of these dual shaft 4 speed Honda AT's out of a Civic with a D16. Great unit to start on. I'd never done anything that complicated beofre, and to my great surprise, the rebuild went perfectly and the transmission functioned like new! I've been fascinated with them ever since...love your videos man!
@@speedkar99 Thanks for your enlightening video. I am wondering if it is as crappy as other Dual Clutch transmissions like DSG, Ford Fiesta, many Hyundai and KIA DCT, etc. It has torque converter, so it is not actually a manual transmission with dual-clutch style. JYI, In EU Toyota at certain period also have DCT type transmission on their Auris1 and Yaris, the clutch wears out all the time and cost close to $1000 to replace it. Not as expensive as the robots in DSG from VW.
Wow! Just wow! Everytime I watch your video sir, I tell myself to get a manual car LOL. Please please do a video on how dual clutch works. Enjoy your channel 👍
@@speedkar99 Couldn't agree more. Love to take things apart. Already returned it to the junk yard for the core charge. Nothing wrong with it. Swapped it for a manual transmission last year. That I did take apart to change the output bearing and seals. Got to take apart the transmission on my bike this year. I have 2nd gear dogs slipping on a YZF-R6.
A lot of the CB7 (1990-1993) Accords have issues with the transmission control unit failing, if you've got one of these that won't shift look under the passenger side carpet - there are 2 control units (early 90s tech yay) pull out the one closer to the passenger door and open it up and look for burnt resistors in one corner. Get a "Denshigiken" TCU and chuck the OkiData TCU and most often that gets them going again.
Staggering complexity. Automatic transmissions are truly a wonder of the world. I try to imagine what it would be like to design the case or the valve body, then make a drawing that the foundry can use to build the mold to cast those parts and the machinists can use to machine the parts to the correct tolerances. Those guys are living in an entirely different world from me. Whatever they are being paid, it isn't enough.
It's an iterative process. We build upon existing designs, and prototypes. These transmissions have been around for a long time, we don't need to reinvent the wheel. Anybody can do this with the right training and passion!
@@speedkar99 Keep up the good work! U are a blessing for mechanical engeneering students, like me. I just hope that more ppl that have acces to a lot of junk cars to to stuff like u.
@@adrianjitaru4165 in that case, a dual clutch AMT. Single clutch ones also exist, such as BMW SMG, Audi R-Tronic, Ferrari F1 transmission or Maserati DuoSelect/CambioCorsa/MC-Shift or whatever they feel like calling it.
Sir, Your all videos are very informative .You explain very nicely. I HAVE ONE QUERY. IN AMT WHAT IS THE POSITION OF CLUTCH WHEN WE APPLY BRAKE. IS CLUTCH GETS DISENGAGED OR REMAIN ENGAGED AND SLIPING SO FAR I DID NOT GET ANY SATISFACTORY ANSWER FROM ANY BODY.
@@xnopyt13 no, they have a torque converter and transmit power to the wheels during the gearshift. A true AMT will cut power to the wheels, so it just feels like being a passenger in a manual car
With the filter being almost impossible to change, is this a true "lifetime fluid" transmission? Or does it still recommend fluid change interval (with a lifetime filter)?
Yes, there's lifetime fluid - you discard it together with the transmission. My father also asked the same question it cost him a few instead of $150 for fluid change. So since some car manufacturers say that the fluid is life time, the tranny manufacturer will tell you do replace the fluid at their recommended intervals, say 50k for Honda, 80k for Aisin and ZF (German maker but used also in new Honda), and so on.
Honda recommends every 30k religiously. The number 3 maintenance minder that's pops up when it's time for a oil change in every Honda ever means it's time to change the transmission fluid also. ONLY USE HONDA FLUID!!
Honda never used planetary gears in their in-house automatics till the 10 speed in the 2018 accord. Before that it was always automated manuals because they didnt want to pay patent licenses. Smart.
The automatic transmissions used in the Saturn S-Series cars (91-02) also used this kind "Automated Manual" layout. (although calling it an automated manual is a bit of a misnomer)
Kudos for the engineering, but the more I learn about trans and overall mechanics, one thing is a fact, if you want everything reliabely out of an engine, manuals are kings of efficiency, at most, dct's are the only automatics close to a manual, but damn, they break a lot and are utter expensive to fix (usually).
The Toyota hybrid transmissions are mechanically even simpler than a manual transmission. I would dare to say that they can be more reliable and efficient than a manual transmission. The electronics needed for it have been perfected for over 20 years and hardly ever fail.
my car has this gearbox (AMT). What happens when you're stopped at a traffic light and hit the brakes? Is the gearbox under pressure? Should I put it in neutral (N)?
What model code is this? Is this in any years of the RDX/MDX? The way you check the fluid on Honda's is very specific, and I wonder if it has something to with it.
@@speedkar99 From what I can tell the RL just uses a FWD gearbox similar to that which you dissected with a transfer case attached to send the drive to the rear mounted diff/acceleration device. Now opening up the RL SH-AWD unit if you could find a dead one would be interesting...to this owner at least. Cheers
1:25 - really don't love the way they made it impossible to get at that filter without splitting the transmission case. 🤓 The externally mounted solenoids are nice from a service perspective though.
I'm confused. At first I thought this was a dual-clutch transmission (DCT). But a DCT doesn't require a torque converter. Also a DCT uses two concentric shafts, one for the even numbered gears and one for the odd numbered gears. What kind of frankenstein monster is this?
@@speedkar99 correct. But in idle stop, the aux pump will run to keep pressure in the body as you stated. Then the torque converter is the main pump. They work kinda backwards from a traditional planetary. But lots of good information for those curious.
One thing for certain that this is no GM 4L60-E with burned 3-4 clutch pack and a broken rear driveshell with no reverse. It's gonna a real pain to change a cheap filter on that Honda gearbox.
You hardly ever replace the filter on the newer tranny's. And, actually in the ones we took the pan down there wasn't much crap in the filter. Usually it's something electronic, the valves, etc, that fails.
I appreciate if hou could mention torque converter in the heading, so that people are not familiar with transmission types wont get the feeling like all automated transmissions are torque converter based.
This shows very clear why I prefer a manual 5-speed gearbox. I always buy end-of-life cars for a few hundred euros. This gearbox is so overcomplicated. All this to automate something that is in fact a no-brainer. I am never conscious of shifting. It is done "automatically"!
@@speedkar99 What I mean is this: Compared to a manual it contains so many parts that can go wrong. When I test drive a manual car I shift it through the gears testing the synchronization, listen for any nasty noises, and violently pump the accelerator in any gear to make sure it doesn't jump out. When the gearbox is not leaking it is fine for me. This semi-automatic gearbox is more difficult to test. You can not really access any wear of all the clutches. My advice for buying high mileage older cars is to stick to a manual. In the Netherlands where I live the majority of smaller and medium-size cars are manual anyway. But nice video! So much clearer when you see the real thing!
Transmission oil change on this AMT , is done on how many km? I have one in my Peugeot 3008, and manuel says don’t change the oil if you dont have problem. Wtf? I’m so confused!!!
@@speedkar99 I disagree. it is indeed an automatic manual. just a different style. I? think the title would work best if you specified how hondas automatic manual works. rather than just as a whole.
My bmw 645 has a auto manual. Feel so bad i havnt moved it in a year and its in great shape, i havnt had time. Just needs a battery and a tune up :( gunna try and get her going atleast one in the next 30 days. Every like reminds me to do this
I wouldn’t consider that an AMT. AMTs are literally “automated manual transmissions”, which means there’s a clutch instead of torque converter (and no, the lockup clutch DOES NOT counts). It’s just an automatic but with conventional gears, instead of planetary ones.
I don't know why but ur channel keep getting unsubscribe automatically. I have to keep subscribe it again & i will keep doing it its a nice channel. You are taking a lot of efforts. One question is Koenigsegg Compounding LSF transmission as complex as this or little bit simple?
@@speedkar99 I researched the whole history cause I was bored one day. To make a long story short, I think it is because they started with small engines and smaller fwd cars. The design starts to fail in higher power and heavier fwd cars. Just my guess. Just not sure how the design is more efficient than the older slush boxes like the ones GM invented.
@@speedkar99 the 4 shaft was also used in the Acura tl from 07-11 and the rl. Pretty much every Honda Switched this this by 2008 and thank goodness they did.
Everyone who uses the word "car" should be asked to calculate the peak force between engaging gear teeth of two meshing gears "X - Y" during an acceleration e.g. of zero to 60 mph (100 kmh). Then pay homage to those geniuses who"ve taken the worry out of your hurry.
I always knew Honda ATs were unique and basically manuals, but it's cool to actually see what's inside of one. These things definitely like frequent fluid changes, I notice a positive difference in shift quality every time I service mine. And I do it every 15-20,000 miles lol
They suck, because they require very specific automatic transmission fluid from Honda to function properly and prolong long life. Honda DW-1 fluid is expensive!
@@applepoop10 In the grand scheme of things no it isn't lol. It's like $40-50 every 20-30,000 miles if you DIY. Who cares
I didn't know that Honda Accord has an automated manual. It's rare in JDM. This video is comprehensive and amazing dismantling!
All Honda automatics are automated manuals…
@@Iowa599 False, the new honda 9 and 10 speed are conventional planetary set automatics transmissions.
@@francoisgirard2306 holy shit…you're right! In 2017, in the 10 speed…
Soichiro was against the idea of planetary gears, hence the development of the Hondamatic. I'm disappointed.
I'm a design engineer for a 2nd tier supplier. For those of you wondering, this concept was built upon a 40 yr old design that has been developed over the years through an iterative process. Designers usually don't come up with this from scratch, why reinvent the wheel when we can perfect it! With that being said: anybody with the right mindset and attitude can be an engineer. Anybody can do this!
They sure can but it's not very popular amongst other manufacturers. The planetary system won out.
"...anybody with the right mindset and attitude can be an engineer. Anybody can do this!" This comment deserves a TH-cam "All Thumbs Alert" (ATA). ATA-boy Lo-pee!
My head is also spinning!
I feel sorry for the draftsman who had to draw all this.
It would be impossible without a CAD.
There must have been a few teams designing this
Imagine all the work because we don't want to press a clutch.
We draw them in assemblies. CREO and solidworks do all the hard draft work for us!
@@bhavintolia7907 i know ... imagine the luxury of engine braking in every of your gears!!!
I don't think that's necessary true, far more complex machines have been designed well before CAD
Mechanic here. It's worth noting that there was often a second, external fluid filter that was easily replaced. V6 transmission failures are largely isolated to models before around 2005, and were primarily the result of poor cooler circuit flow in the valve body. That caused the converter clutch to sometimes drag, building up excessive heat, and eventually burning second gear.. other gears followed. Early 5-speed models had additional cooling jets to help reduce the heat, but the aftermarket eventually discovered ways to modify the cooler circuit and virtually end premature trans failures.
I have a BXMA with a flaring 4th gear, and i probably should get this external filter installed before the trans burns itself up. Ive been reading about it.
Yep I've read about all that but it wasn't applicable to this transmission which was from an 05 Accord hybrid
@@speedkar99 Nah the main difference there is the second fluid pump, but they still fail like all the others. Rebuilt a number of these, a few of which were from Accord hybrids, and of course dealt with a million at the dealership. A good valve body cleaning including polishing the bores, pressure testing the valves, modifying cooler flow, etc. works wonders. Very rarely see internal filter restrictions - those usually happen with burned clutches from driving with slips and flares too long.
@@TuneStunnaMusic I'd say it's probably too late to save with just a filter. You may be looking at excessive clutch wear, a damaged bore, etc. If it flares only during the 3-4 upshift but doesn't slip once engaged in 4th, you CAN baby it for quite a while. I know customers that have limped flaring 2nd gears for 20,000-50,000 miles.
@@TuneStunnaMusic I'd say it's probably too late to save with just a filter. You may be looking at excessive clutch wear, a damaged bore, etc. If it flares only during the 3-4 upshift but doesn't slip once engaged in 4th, you CAN baby it for quite a while. I know customers that have limped flaring 2nd gears for 20,000-50,000 miles.
The best explanation I have herd . very minor point is at 21:00 min the oil goes around the gears as it can not go through/ between the gears . excelant presentation .
I rebuilt one of these dual shaft 4 speed Honda AT's out of a Civic with a D16. Great unit to start on. I'd never done anything that complicated beofre, and to my great surprise, the rebuild went perfectly and the transmission functioned like new! I've been fascinated with them ever since...love your videos man!
Dang I was trying to find information on automanual transmissions yesterday. Great timing!
Thanks, glad it worked out
@@speedkar99 would you say these are more reliable than transmissions with planetary gear sets?
My boy, i remember a long time ago i had asked you if you could do a honda transmission, and here you are. Big shout out and thank you to you!!!
When ever speedkar99 pops open a engine or transmission casings, I see bunch of interesting shiny toys!!
Yep it's so cool. I have so many gears and gismos I don't know what to do with them now
@@speedkar99 Thanks for your enlightening video. I am wondering if it is as crappy as other Dual Clutch transmissions like DSG, Ford Fiesta, many Hyundai and KIA DCT, etc. It has torque converter, so it is not actually a manual transmission with dual-clutch style. JYI, In EU Toyota at certain period also have DCT type transmission on their Auris1 and Yaris, the clutch wears out all the time and cost close to $1000 to replace it. Not as expensive as the robots in DSG from VW.
@@speedkar99 sell them in your store, with a complementary set of your brother's gently used undergarments
@taquechi2 I was just about to suggest that!
(Auto parts, not your bro's underwear)
I would love to twirl those cogs in my hand..
@@speedkar99 which years of honda have this transmission
Wow! Just wow! Everytime I watch your video sir, I tell myself to get a manual car LOL.
Please please do a video on how dual clutch works. Enjoy your channel 👍
I really want to get a VW or Ford dual clutch transmission
Cool. I was going to take my old transmission apart, but I didn't want to make a mess and didn't have my families underwear to clean up the mess.
Just take it apart and see how it works. Best way to learn
@@speedkar99 Couldn't agree more. Love to take things apart. Already returned it to the junk yard for the core charge. Nothing wrong with it. Swapped it for a manual transmission last year. That I did take apart to change the output bearing and seals. Got to take apart the transmission on my bike this year. I have 2nd gear dogs slipping on a YZF-R6.
A lot of the CB7 (1990-1993) Accords have issues with the transmission control unit failing, if you've got one of these that won't shift look under the passenger side carpet - there are 2 control units (early 90s tech yay) pull out the one closer to the passenger door and open it up and look for burnt resistors in one corner. Get a "Denshigiken" TCU and chuck the OkiData TCU and most often that gets them going again.
Nice
Great explanation of a complex mechanism.
Thanks
Staggering complexity. Automatic transmissions are truly a wonder of the world. I try to imagine what it would be like to design the case or the valve body, then make a drawing that the foundry can use to build the mold to cast those parts and the machinists can use to machine the parts to the correct tolerances. Those guys are living in an entirely different world from me. Whatever they are being paid, it isn't enough.
It's an iterative process. We build upon existing designs, and prototypes. These transmissions have been around for a long time, we don't need to reinvent the wheel. Anybody can do this with the right training and passion!
It sure is complex. And to think of the mass manufacturing scale...every car on the road has something just as complex
I can't help but think that those hydraulic circuits look like something out of an alien space ship.
Yes they do
How do people learn how to make those?
You are brilliant and great at explain ing complicated stuff!
at 9:00 when he pushes that fork down i wonder if that's why Hondas have that click noise when shifting into reverse or drive
Yes!
I really hope you will do a DSG or some other dual clutch sometime
Love your work. Really good info and easy to follow
The toothbrush pointer is a nice touch
U should do a DSG too... pleaseeeee :D
I really want to buy a TDI Jetta just for the dsg
@@speedkar99 thats a real automated manual transmission
@@speedkar99 I will give you my mom's 2020 A6 with a DSG to disassemble, but you must promise to assemble it back lol
@@speedkar99 Keep up the good work! U are a blessing for mechanical engeneering students, like me. I just hope that more ppl that have acces to a lot of junk cars to to stuff like u.
@@adrianjitaru4165 in that case, a dual clutch AMT. Single clutch ones also exist, such as BMW SMG, Audi R-Tronic, Ferrari F1 transmission or Maserati DuoSelect/CambioCorsa/MC-Shift or whatever they feel like calling it.
Another superb video, thank you very much :)
You are welcome
Sir,
Your all videos are very informative .You explain very nicely.
I HAVE ONE QUERY.
IN AMT WHAT IS THE POSITION OF CLUTCH WHEN WE APPLY BRAKE. IS CLUTCH GETS DISENGAGED OR REMAIN ENGAGED AND SLIPING SO FAR I DID NOT GET ANY SATISFACTORY ANSWER FROM ANY BODY.
It'll disengage if n engine braking is required
@@speedkar99thanks
There's no way you said this 09:24 unironically😂😂😂
Great video
Is there any benefits over the normal automatic transmission ?
Thanks, very very much appreciate these informative mechanical reviews!
Could you please do an AMT from Magneti Marelli too, if possible...?
Sure
Didn't know Honda had an automated manual, these are rare in North America
Most of the Honda V6 transmissions were setup like this
speedkar99 really! Do they feel like a manual (like a first gen smart)? Because I haven't seen many people complain about it
Aren't
the Skyactiv transmissions pretty much an automatic manual?
@@xnopyt13 no, they have a torque converter and transmit power to the wheels during the gearshift. A true AMT will cut power to the wheels, so it just feels like being a passenger in a manual car
Satsuma GT yeah I commented before watching the video because I thought it's the robot clutch and shifter kind
For those who think what is the purpose of that tooth brush?
Gears have teeth😂
Haha good one
Wow I just found this channel and you have a lot of interesting videos
Thanks, make sure you check them out?
Thank you and Kudos from El Salvador Central America!!!
With the filter being almost impossible to change, is this a true "lifetime fluid" transmission? Or does it still recommend fluid change interval (with a lifetime filter)?
I'd definitely change the fluid frequently. It's a Honda Automatic that's failure prone.
Yes, there's lifetime fluid - you discard it together with the transmission. My father also asked the same question it cost him a few instead of $150 for fluid change.
So since some car manufacturers say that the fluid is life time, the tranny manufacturer will tell you do replace the fluid at their recommended intervals, say 50k for Honda, 80k for Aisin and ZF (German maker but used also in new Honda), and so on.
Honda recommends every 30k religiously. The number 3 maintenance minder that's pops up when it's time for a oil change in every Honda ever means it's time to change the transmission fluid also. ONLY USE HONDA FLUID!!
@@speedkar99 thanks!! So lifetime filter but regular fluid changes. Got it!
Thank you for another very informative video!
You are welcome
Hello, it's very identical at easytronic gearbox that I repaired in Europe on Opel Corsa
Easy tronic...never heard of that one
love this video - keep up the awesome work!
Thanks, glad you could benefit
very helpful video , only high skilled can work
Honda never used planetary gears in their in-house automatics till the 10 speed in the 2018 accord. Before that it was always automated manuals because they didnt want to pay patent licenses. Smart.
Yep
where do you sell your parts? or you keeping them on boxes?
They go to scrap.
The automatic transmissions used in the Saturn S-Series cars (91-02) also used this kind "Automated Manual" layout. (although calling it an automated manual is a bit of a misnomer)
Interesting
Kudos for the engineering, but the more I learn about trans and overall mechanics, one thing is a fact, if you want everything reliabely out of an engine, manuals are kings of efficiency, at most, dct's are the only automatics close to a manual, but damn, they break a lot and are utter expensive to fix (usually).
Yeah DCT are pretty expensive. Remember not everyone buys cars with reliability as their primary factor.
The Toyota hybrid transmissions are mechanically even simpler than a manual transmission. I would dare to say that they can be more reliable and efficient than a manual transmission. The electronics needed for it have been perfected for over 20 years and hardly ever fail.
I like your videos, they are easy to understand. I have a request can you make a video on cooling system working without thermostat...,👏👍
Glad you appreciate my video style
my car has this gearbox (AMT). What happens when you're stopped at a traffic light and hit the brakes? Is the gearbox under pressure? Should I put it in neutral (N)?
You are genius
Sure am 🤓
Thanks
You are welcome
What model code is this? Is this in any years of the RDX/MDX? The way you check the fluid on Honda's is very specific, and I wonder if it has something to with it.
I don't have the model code but it's out of an 05 Accord Hybrid
I was hoping to see you tear apart the problematic Ford 6 speed from the Fiestas and Focus
I really want to teardown a dual clutch transmission
I’ve seen them with 400k kms with neglect and still going, my car has it and no problems at all
This one had 417 km
Fascinating.
Indeed
Isn't this the more robust 4 shaft version which was introduced on the 05 RL with a much lower failure rate?
I've never examined the RL but I assume it's different because of the AWD
@@speedkar99 From what I can tell the RL just uses a FWD gearbox similar to that which you dissected with a transfer case attached to send the drive to the rear mounted diff/acceleration device. Now opening up the RL SH-AWD unit if you could find a dead one would be interesting...to this owner at least. Cheers
WHOA! You listened!
No problem
As a novice with very little knowledge about mechanics your knowledgeable explanation makes me think you're telling lies😆😂. Good job boss
Glad it helped
I had no clue Honda used an AMT in the old Accord....cool
Yep they did for a while until switching to the recent 9 and 10 speed
can you link me that power flow chart?
1:25 - really don't love the way they made it impossible to get at that filter without splitting the transmission case. 🤓 The externally mounted solenoids are nice from a service perspective though.
Yep. Apparently there's a filter external that can be changed
I'm confused. At first I thought this was a dual-clutch transmission (DCT). But a DCT doesn't require a torque converter. Also a DCT uses two concentric shafts, one for the even numbered gears and one for the odd numbered gears. What kind of frankenstein monster is this?
Its just a manual with clutch packs in place of shift forks. Kinda cool.
@@TuneStunnaMusic and it has a torque converter.
@@philliptoone and maybe a couple valves, lol
Very good information, but technically the torque converter is a hydrostatic clutch since there's no actual pump in the transmission.
There's two pumps in this transmission
@@speedkar99 correct. But in idle stop, the aux pump will run to keep pressure in the body as you stated. Then the torque converter is the main pump. They work kinda backwards from a traditional planetary. But lots of good information for those curious.
Someone had a bad nightmare to dream up this gear box!
VW "We build overly complex stuff to do simple things"
Honda "Hold my Sake"
Haha
Does automated manual transmission and Robotic transmission are the same ?
I guess.
One thing for certain that this is no GM 4L60-E with burned 3-4 clutch pack and a broken rear driveshell with no reverse. It's gonna a real pain to change a cheap filter on that Honda gearbox.
You hardly ever replace the filter on the newer tranny's. And, actually in the ones we took the pan down there wasn't much crap in the filter. Usually it's something electronic, the valves, etc, that fails.
I want to teardown the famous 4l60
Would love to see you take apart a Dual Clutch trans!
Me too
Some honda engineer really liked their gears
Yeah!
And the other engineer didn't like clutches
Similar to Honda's transmission in the JDM K series Accords. I think it has 3 shafts instead of 4.
Yeah this was from an accord v6 hybrid. The motor takes up space so they added the 4th shaft
I appreciate if hou could mention torque converter in the heading, so that people are not familiar with transmission types wont get the feeling like all automated transmissions are torque converter based.
Are these in the 05 V6 non-hybrid as well? I know I have a 5 speed auto but I don’t know if it’s any different.
Similar concept but I think that has 3 shafts instead of 4. They made the hybrid more compact because they had to include a motor.
Is it possible to cut first second of the hammer wrench? It's making horrible sound. Please 🙂
Is the 5-speed manual transmission in my 2011 Civic reliable?
Yes
Sure
like always are are hero sir
Thanks
This shows very clear why I prefer a manual 5-speed gearbox. I always buy end-of-life cars for a few hundred euros. This gearbox is so overcomplicated.
All this to automate something that is in fact a no-brainer. I am never conscious of shifting. It is done "automatically"!
I feel like this should be more reliable than a regular automatic as a good hybrid between the manual but in fact Honda's autos haven't held up well 😟
@@speedkar99 What I mean is this:
Compared to a manual it contains so many parts that can go wrong.
When I test drive a manual car I shift it through the gears testing the synchronization, listen for any nasty noises, and violently pump the accelerator in any gear to make sure it doesn't jump out. When the gearbox is not leaking it is fine for me.
This semi-automatic gearbox is more difficult to test. You can not really access any wear of all the clutches.
My advice for buying high mileage older cars is to stick to a manual.
In the Netherlands where I live the majority of smaller and medium-size cars are manual anyway.
But nice video! So much clearer when you see the real thing!
Hondas 10 speed is the only planetary gear set auto they have besides the ZF 9AT they also run.
Yeah those newer designs were outsourced
Transmission oil change on this AMT , is done on how many km? I have one in my Peugeot 3008, and manuel says don’t change the oil if you dont have problem. Wtf? I’m so confused!!!
Check your transmission manufacturer website, if you still can't find it change it every 20.000 kilometers, better safe than sorry 🤣🤣
Just do it once a year
So did the DCTs replace the AMTs
Kinda
Opticruise.
I have a 2008 Honda Civic automatic Honda is telling me I need a transmission flush and it hasn’t been done in 2 years. Now is it safe to do a flush ,
Drain and fill
Does my 2014 Crosstour have this type of transmission?
Most likely.
@@speedkar99 it's mated to the K24, does the j35 use the same trans?
@@MISTER__OWL yes
Nice
When I hear auto manual, all I can think off are smart fortwo's Tho those are just manuals with a little motor that pushes the clutch in and out.
Title is misleading, but the video is amazing
Ok so what's a better title?
@@speedkar99 I disagree. it is indeed an automatic manual. just a different style. I? think the title would work best if you specified how hondas automatic manual works. rather than just as a whole.
So there's a clutch for every gear?
Beats shift forks....
Yep
I like how he uses his family's clothes in the process of explaining his videos.
My bmw 645 has a auto manual. Feel so bad i havnt moved it in a year and its in great shape, i havnt had time. Just needs a battery and a tune up :( gunna try and get her going atleast one in the next 30 days. Every like reminds me to do this
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Iya
I definitely feel engine braking in 2nd gear... my trans must be a bit different. 8th gen accord v6
I wouldn’t consider that an AMT. AMTs are literally “automated manual transmissions”, which means there’s a clutch instead of torque converter (and no, the lockup clutch DOES NOT counts). It’s just an automatic but with conventional gears, instead of planetary ones.
Alright.
HONDAMATIC
Yes
I hope not, those had issues and were expensive. And that was a motorcycle.
Wow, pretty complex!
I think it's simple....compared to a conventional automatic
this is why the internet is beutiful
It sure is
Was expecting a honda from 98-02
I'd like to source a failed one and examine the causes of typical failure. Those were really bad
Acura Legend, Vigor, Odyssey- very famous for that.
It's hard to flow along when these cogs aren't rotating and engaging with eachother.
Like power shift transmissions
What's that
Heavy equipment transmission
Now I understand why I will never fully understand lol
Lol
I don't know why but ur channel keep getting unsubscribe automatically. I have to keep subscribe it again & i will keep doing it its a nice channel. You are taking a lot of efforts. One question is Koenigsegg Compounding LSF transmission as complex as this or little bit simple?
Why did Honda do it this way? What are the advantages? It still needs a torque converter.
That's the way they've done it for years. Unfortunately reliability suffered
@@speedkar99 I researched the whole history cause I was bored one day. To make a long story short, I think it is because they started with small engines and smaller fwd cars. The design starts to fail in higher power and heavier fwd cars. Just my guess. Just not sure how the design is more efficient than the older slush boxes like the ones GM invented.
Thank you for teaching! But this transmission is seems designed to fail. And all new automatic transmission to.
Manual ftw
please need some honda i dcd transmission info
Dcd?
hey man you are using too much stuff from your brother 😂😂
That's his problem
Why do they still use hydraulic circuits instead of electronic controller as the brain of the transmission?
Because the clutches are hydraulic.
If the clutches were electromagnets then it would be a circuit board
I thought it was just a manual with actuators on the forks and the clutch
Forks would be extra when they can use a wet clutch
This is the revised 4 shaft 5 speed auto. The older 3 shaft ones were horrible.
This is a 4 shaft because it's from a hybrid and they had to make the transmission slimmer
@@speedkar99 the 4 shaft was also used in the Acura tl from 07-11 and the rl. Pretty much every Honda Switched this this by 2008 and thank goodness they did.
Everyone who uses the word "car" should be asked to calculate the peak force between engaging gear teeth of two meshing gears "X - Y" during an acceleration e.g. of zero to 60 mph (100 kmh). Then pay homage to those geniuses who"ve taken the worry out of your hurry.
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@@speedkar99 Thanks for the "Newtons". 1,350 pound-force.
Sir this is a wendy's
Imagine all the work because we don't want to press a clutch.
Or even drive a car ... #automonous cars haha
Having no engine braking in 2nd gear wasn't the best decision.
Yea...other cars offer that in the 2 gear mode