Rather than the ball toss trajectory, the fault should be on the contact point of his serves. He's hiding the ball with his head and body. ITTF intention to regulate serves is done half-heartedly, too much subjective judgement from the umpire.
Accusing a player of an illegal serve based on livestream footage is funny. This was part of an internal prep game of Chinese national team for Olympics, and umpires were instructed to call faults strictly to simulate tough conditions. If the umpire didn’t call it and your claim is based solely on video alone, it’s baseless. Stick to facts, not speculation. 😉
@@robmarth2226 Onset videos support the claim but aren’t decisive (Hawk-Eye is, though. I’m sure you have the common sense to know that broadcast footage isn’t the same as TTR, don’t you?). Real judgment is a combo of the umpire’s observation (yep, including their subjective takes) and other supporting stuff like broadcast footage. Mistakes happen, of course, but whether you agree or not, an umpire-based system is still the best we’ve got for now. Ironically enough, you’re calling out the umpire’s subjectivity with your own subjective take. Plus, in this game, I didn’t see double standards in the types of calls or towards the players. He was instructed to make strict calls, and he did. The call just wasn’t the one you wanted. Lolll.
The haters always try to put the spotlight on his serve. People can doubt, but in the end, his hard work will shut down the critics. And the fact that there are many Chinese leaders and players acknowledge that he is one of having the best serving
Serve is illegal because head covers the ball during the flight, though the contact itself might be visible tracking when the ball will make contact with the racket is much harder. Having said that it has become so extremely common to serve like that I don't consider it cheating because probably half or more of pros are serving like this, I do however think it needs to be called more not specifically for wang but all the players who are doing it because it is making the game more serve orientated then it should be
@@epic1053 Just jumping in to add a point I mentioned in another comment. Accusing a player of an illegal serve based on livestream footage is pretty funny. Cameras distort depth and motion, and it’s common sense that what you see are far from accurate.
@@hioace when judging the contact of the ball you would be correct which is why I never accused wang of hiding the contact however if the ball goes behind someone's head it's very cut and dry and is very clear, if the ball did not go behind his head we would not see the ball while the ball is level with his head as it would be in front not behind. skip to 1:02 you can clearly see the ball goes behind his head during the throw up.
@@epic1053 This is exactly what I’m saying. The camera distorts actual spatial relationships by compressing depth, making objects at different distances (like the ball and the player’s head) look closer together. And that’s without even considering the angle. You can Google “perspective compression”that may explain it better than I can.
@@hioace bro so all video evidence should just be completely thrown out and never used? Do you know how many people are convicted and in jail due to video evidence. You are trying so hard to defend wang when he has been caught red handed just accept it, most pro players are doing it anyway so I don't consider it cheating despite being against the rules. Yes judging some things like height without a good reference is difficult with a camera but something this cut and dry is obvious did you watch the clip I sent?
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That was back in 2020 and still not being a video measure system. Thanks ITTF.
@@guerrerorojas5348 Have heard that technology would be used at the World Championships next year.
It was vertical, but his big head was still covering the ball.
Umpire should call for vision blocking instead.
ball maybe hidden, but not at the contact point. In practice ,they don't call it if the contact point is visible
1:04 vertical but hidden
Rather than the ball toss trajectory, the fault should be on the contact point of his serves. He's hiding the ball with his head and body.
ITTF intention to regulate serves is done half-heartedly, too much subjective judgement from the umpire.
Ball is hidden wrong call from Umpire !
Accusing a player of an illegal serve based on livestream footage is funny. This was part of an internal prep game of Chinese national team for Olympics, and umpires were instructed to call faults strictly to simulate tough conditions. If the umpire didn’t call it and your claim is based solely on video alone, it’s baseless. Stick to facts, not speculation. 😉
Umpire call is subjective, you are too naive if you don't acknowledge that.
And funny enough video record is in fact valid base to form a claim.
@@robmarth2226 Onset videos support the claim but aren’t decisive (Hawk-Eye is, though. I’m sure you have the common sense to know that broadcast footage isn’t the same as TTR, don’t you?). Real judgment is a combo of the umpire’s observation (yep, including their subjective takes) and other supporting stuff like broadcast footage. Mistakes happen, of course, but whether you agree or not, an umpire-based system is still the best we’ve got for now. Ironically enough, you’re calling out the umpire’s subjectivity with your own subjective take.
Plus, in this game, I didn’t see double standards in the types of calls or towards the players. He was instructed to make strict calls, and he did. The call just wasn’t the one you wanted. Lolll.
You are so funny, which part of my comment is subjective?
Why isn’t WCQ not playing with Sha Sha
This was a couple years ago I am guessing, so maybe they weren’t partners that time.
The haters always try to put the spotlight on his serve. People can doubt, but in the end, his hard work will shut down the critics. And the fact that there are many Chinese leaders and players acknowledge that he is one of having the best serving
Serve is illegal because head covers the ball during the flight, though the contact itself might be visible tracking when the ball will make contact with the racket is much harder. Having said that it has become so extremely common to serve like that I don't consider it cheating because probably half or more of pros are serving like this, I do however think it needs to be called more not specifically for wang but all the players who are doing it because it is making the game more serve orientated then it should be
@@epic1053 Just jumping in to add a point I mentioned in another comment. Accusing a player of an illegal serve based on livestream footage is pretty funny. Cameras distort depth and motion, and it’s common sense that what you see are far from accurate.
@@hioace when judging the contact of the ball you would be correct which is why I never accused wang of hiding the contact however if the ball goes behind someone's head it's very cut and dry and is very clear, if the ball did not go behind his head we would not see the ball while the ball is level with his head as it would be in front not behind.
skip to 1:02 you can clearly see the ball goes behind his head during the throw up.
@@epic1053 This is exactly what I’m saying. The camera distorts actual spatial relationships by compressing depth, making objects at different distances (like the ball and the player’s head) look closer together. And that’s without even considering the angle. You can Google “perspective compression”that may explain it better than I can.
@@hioace bro so all video evidence should just be completely thrown out and never used? Do you know how many people are convicted and in jail due to video evidence. You are trying so hard to defend wang when he has been caught red handed just accept it, most pro players are doing it anyway so I don't consider it cheating despite being against the rules.
Yes judging some things like height without a good reference is difficult with a camera but something this cut and dry is obvious did you watch the clip I sent?