RTI $200 Carcano M91 (B-Grade) WORTH THE RISK? Unboxing Royal Tiger Imports Italian 1891 Long Rifle
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- Can't believe I'm giving RTI another shot on their M91 Carcano Long Rifles after my first experience. A couple years ago I ordered a Fucile Modello 91 from Royal Tiger Imports and I was super disappointed in the condition of the bore. They recently had a discount on these rifles in "B-Grade" condition so I decided to roll the milsurp dice once more in hopes of a shooter. I have a decent little Italian Military Carcano collection but not having a good shooting 1891 has been bothering me. Hopefully we'll have better luck with this one!!
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Here's what I hate about RTI. Their grading system is based on what they have left. So your B grade could have been an F grade 2 months ago when everything came in. So when the A grades sell out, the B grades become A, and so on. That's why I try my best to pay attention to when they release a new batch and buy asap instead of waiting.
I almost bought something from them once but your comment is spot on. I'm OK with just cruising local pawn shops and running into whatever they happen across than rolling the dice with RTI.
@@Cokehead_Drug_Addict_Zelensky , me too done with RTI....... Just not worth it.....
F grade? excuse you? These are A grade... AA grade... AAA grade! Delete your slanderous comments and go over and buy one!
@@boltforward3611 If you are on a PC, you can open up a tab at RTI on the page where they are selling their "M38 Carcano Short Rifle, Cal. 7.35x51 w/ 1 Free Clip" then take your mouse and hover over the tab at the top of your browser and a bubble pops up that says "M38 Carcano Short Rifle C Grade". That leads me to believe they just changed the description from "C Grade" to something else. I could be wrong but that's not the kind of mistake their webpage guy should be making.
@boltforward3611
I think I saw an “M” on there. RTI said that means it was Mussolinis personal rifle. Add $1800 to the price.
I remember buying these for $10 each in very good condition and reselling them with 2 clips and 20 rounds for $20 each, the good old days!
When was that 1985?
10 dollar rifle is more like 1945 @@jason200912
@@jason200912up until the mid 90's
I remember in the late 90s carcano’s in nice condition were $80-100. Nobody wanted them but me.
It appears the best bet would be to take the best parts from the two rifles and make one good one.
Yeah if the one with the terrible bore has a handguard I would just pull it off and slap it on this one then part out the bad bore rifle. I'm sure there's a market for spare parts on these things with the way a lot of these RTI guns look.
Being lucky enough to have had my C&R in the late 90's and early 2000's, the days of the $29 Mosins, $69 Mosin M44's, $79 Swede M96's, etc, i cant believe companies are actually selling this junk!
When i was a kid in the 60''s K Mart was selling mil surps for twenty bucks apiece
Maybe that’s all that’s left to sell? What should they do, threw them in the trash? 200 bucks is nothing these days. I take the family out for a good meal, it’s almost 200.
30 years ago this stuff was plentiful. We’re seeing the bottom of the barrel now.
@@donaldhicks3359when you were a kid , gas was 6 cents a gallon 😂
I remember in around 2006ish my uncle was selling this bad ass Kar98k Ethiopian model for $99 and everyone was saying that was a little overboard. He had stacks of Mosin M44s, Mosin M1891/30s, Kar98k, M16A1 style AR15s and SKS’ that he got over the years from hot deals. Now I can’t even afford a Kar98k as the average one is $700ish. I just got a Mosin Nagant M1891/30 for $470 and I felt like I stole from the guy in todays gun market lol.
Thanks for posting and to each their own and YMMV and all that B/S...but I am glad I passed on these myself. I don't need one in this condition.
Way back in the day, you could buy these things mail order , shipped to your house, they had such little value that if you walked into a gun shop with one ,intent on selling, the owner would buy it from you and remove the bolt, and hand the rest back to you as the bolt was the only thing of value.
I bought a K98 mauser and a M38 Carcano short rifle from RTI back when they first started selling the Ethiopian firearms and the K98 had a sewer pipe bore and a welded shut floorplate. The Carcano had a decent bore but the lug under the barrel that the front magazine screw threads into was completely stripped out. They have a lot of firearms I would like to have but I wouldn't buy from them again.
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It’s a bit of a mixed bag, might be worth taking the stock and hand guard from the sewer pipe to get the most out of your B grade.
when I worked at Century when they were in Montreal, we'd take the bolts out and wrap them in the box, to prevent that box hole issue.
I’m glad you got a good bore whew
At least we’re saving them For history sake.
That’s not a bad condition rifle.
The only good thing to come out of RTI in the past couple of years was their surplus M2 Ball in sealed spam cans and crates. Free shipping made the deal even sweeter!
Modern non corrosive costs the exact same btw
You should have brought more of those bayonets. I think you got Ulied! I hope you don't feel too violated. Let us know if it is a shooter.
Having lived through the second glory days of surplus in the late 80's and 90's I always enjoy seeing new lots of surplus found. This horde from Ethiopia was pretty interesting with all type of firearms from various nations that had not been on the market in years. I gambled with the M1 carbines when they first hit and while not mad about the purchase , I wasn't exactly thrilled with it either. The descriptions were a bit overestimated in my opinion , but I should have known considering the source. That seems to be the high side of opinion on RTI's conditions and pricing with many people getting what I would consider "junk". Uley for years ahs been able to find some cool stuff , but again his stuff was never highly regarded when it came to conditions described.
Have never bought from RTI, so I can’t speak on them. In the late 90’s I worked at a German gun shop, and were were one of the top importer on military surplus. Don’t think I have ever seen an Italian rifle that had a good bore. You could get mint Swiss rifles, and Swedish arms. I mainly shop Simpson, they are not cheap, yet have never been disappointed. From time to time can find something the LGS has on commission that is interesting.
I had a Carcano when I was about 18, in the 1960s, it came in the mail and ammo was easy to find, but those days are over..
Do u remember how much it was and what box did it come in
You would think that shipping companies would have equipment designed to keep parcels from being damaged. It could be done but they just don’t care. Also one layer of cardboard is not adequate. A couple thick layers of bubble wrap would be good protection.
Combine the best features of the two, and end up with a great example..😊
Other than the missing handguard this thing should clean up pretty nice. Just glue that crack up and boil the rusty parts and you should be OK.
Old doesn't always equal valuable. This should have been 100 dollars.
I would not pay ten bucks for a hopeless piece of junk.
I picked up a b grade 88/90 mannlicher from rti a few weeks ago, it had surface rust like a mfer and no blueing left but all the parts were there, and the stock was in very good condition, the bore is in really good condition and still shiny so I’m happy I got a shooter out of it. I got two M95 mannlichers on the way so crossing my fingers there good.
Hoping mine turns out the same, just bought an 88/90 2 weeks ago and is set to arrive next week. I'm okay with it being a bit of a fixer upper but really hoping I get a decent bore.
How were the M95s?
Since you probably don't have numbers matching rifles, I would shift parts around to have one better rifle and use the other as a wall hanger or parts gun.
These are sad days. Back in the 90s mint condition WWI & WWII rifles were coming out of arsenals globbed in protective cosmoline by the 100s of thousands for under $100 a piece.
Scabbard looks like one for vetteri vattelli lucky you be safe
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. RTI is the dumpster of the surplus market.
Go to a gun show or shop ,you can look at it and pick and choose. The convenience of pushing buttons isn't worth it. And trying to find parts is a nightmare. 🪖🪖
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Something like this you want to look over it and check before you buy. These RTIs have no duty to make sure you get a completely functional and in good condition. They get old crap cheap, and sell kinda cheap. If they had an ethic, they wouldn't have sold this for 200, unless they would have put some work into it.
Where else you going to,get these for that price
@@Allanhornsyou're that guy complaining to anyone who will listen.
Just bought a “non B grade” Carcano from them for $200 on the Black Friday sale. Their B-grades were going for $170… hoping for the best
I bought one today for $270, hand select B grade Carcano 1891. Hoping the bore has some rifling.
@@christopherscholl9823 How did yours turn out? Mine came in the mail today. My bore has some strong rifling and passed the bullet test. It's dirty and has little blueing, but that excites me as I want to learn how to reblue. Anyway, hope you got a good rifle too!
@@Leap3D17 Much better than I predicted. The stock has a small crack by the wrist, otherwise virtually no dings. The boor is bright, but worn. The lands and grooves are present, but rounded. It passed the "bullet test". Almost no pitting at all, and I would estimate 60% bluing on the whole rifle. The rifle is filthy, and it will take me a few more days to clean before I start restoring it. It may be a shooter after all!
I think as others have commented you might want to swap the stocks between your last Carcano rifle since this one has such a good bore.
Years ago I ordered 3 K98's from Century Arms on my crffl. Around $100 each. The idea was between the 3, I should be able to build one that looked good and was a shooter. I still have it. I refinished the wood. Stripped, blasted and hot blued all the metal. Re crowned the muzzle. Polished all the bolt parts. A real beauty that can do 2MOA. Fun shooter until those 8x57's beat your shoulder up! IMHO this is the way to do it.
I would consider any RTI purchase a straight up restoration project before I even ordered. Or a parts gun to cannibalize for other projects with more potential.
Always love a new video! I’ve been waiting for one lately I’ve been rewatching your old ones lol. I just got my C grade hakim and b grade lebel from them. Definitely disappointed that they are calling their lebels B grade (they do note the issues in the desc) but I feel it’s more of a c grade. Happy to have a Lebel at the very least but the wood furniture is smoked, my rear sight is loose, the front sight it broken off, and my extractor is broken which is really hard to find… lots of Ethiopian marking on it too. Your lebel was a much more representable b grade rifle. I haven’t cleaned the bore but the rifling looks good though so that’s a plus
The B grade M1891 Carcano rifles are on sale right now on RTI for $169. I’m just looking for a cheap rifle to practice some refurbishing techniques. So I think I’m gonna pull the trigger (pun intended).
Mark Novak has vids on restoring super gnarly screw heads if you ever feel like giving it a try. It works pretty well. Basically you hold it in a jewelers vise block, pound the mushroomed metal back with a polished ball peen hammer, trace the slot with a hacksaw blade or thin file, and then re-blue it (optional)
I just ordered one of these. I'll also be doing an unboxing, watching to see what I can expect haha
Bad bores arent a big deal for me, I have a milling and lathe machine. So I can just counterbore them.
You should do a video on your process. That would be awesome to see
Remember that Bolt and action is just a few inches away from your right eye. just saying.
I just got a good-very good Carcano carbine and lucked out big time. It was covered in cosmoline so almost no rust. The bore is in great condition and it's missing nothing besides the cleaning rod. The furniture is dinged and scratched to an acceptable extent with no cracks. I'm glad I rolled the dice with my $200, but I was aware it might not turn out well.
Pretty sure the batch that one came out of was from Italy because everything from Ethiopia is pretty rough.
@@Cokehead_Drug_Addict_Zelensky Yeah, I wasn't trusting one from Africa.
Nice user name, btw.
@@KriegZombie The name used to be "Zelensky Likes To Slobba Zucchini!" until TH-cam changed to this @username BS.
@@Cokehead_Drug_Addict_Zelensky That's what I was referring to. The profile pic is also excellent.
@@KriegZombie Thank you, fellow traveler.
very apropos bayonet! the hole in the box was so the 3 letter agencies could inspect the contents with a pinhole camera lol.
Hell yah! this what I subscribed for! thanks for another great video man!
The thing is if you went into a gun shop/pawn shop, you would never have purchased this rifle!
So true man, if it was a known good & complete rifle that someone had gone through it would listed for 400-500 more than what RTI is selling it for.
RTI sells beat up surplus from a war torn county, they hand select the pristine examples and send the rest out for lottery. The ONLY thing RTI is doing wrong in my opinion is grading the rifles. Either throw them all in the same bucket or make a consistent grading system to separate them.
Hey man great video!!! you should make a video of you cleaning it up abd fixing the stalk!
I avoid FedEx like the plague!!! I have had that same thought about their handling of our items. I have much better results with ups, and USPS for anything freedom related
Back in the late 80's I purchased a couple of Garands. If I recall they were about 250 a piece. Same with M1 carbines.
Yeah... 40 years ago😂😂😂
Life gets worse and worse every decade doesn’t it? They don’t call it the good old days for nothing.
I don't envy you trying to clean that bore unless you have a long, hot solvent tank.
I bought a Troup Espesiale Carbine made in 1916 from them and the stock was in better condition but the bore was partially shot out. I bought a No4 Mark 1 Enfield from them it had two bullets wedged in the barrel was so bad could not get them out they did send a replacement took them 5 weeks. I get that one it would not even chamber a round needed to use a hone on it to get it to chamber. Their stuff is cheap because it is Junk. The only decent rifle i got from them was an M1 carbine made in 1943 that cost me $1300. I will never buy another rifle from them again.
I wish RTI used the standard NRA grading system. This whole A, B, C grade is very subjective. Surplus went to hell 20 years ago with the "shooter grade" Yugo SKSs. A nice way to say sewer pipe.
I bought a couple Mosins from a distributor 20 years ago and they looked fine on the outside. The bores were sewer pipes. Completely ruined. Useless fence posts. I forgot what the condition rating was but it was not "junk" grade truth in advertising.
I bought one of the flash sale mannlicher 88/90 B grades and this video makes me a little nervous. It's supposed to arrive via FedEx tomorrow! Thank you for these RTI reviews.
Was it decent?
@@carteranderson5907 Only thing missing on the rifle was the safety, everything else was there, including the volley sight. Crack in the wrist that had been fixed by some Ethiopian with Brad nails. Bore was excellent (I did the bullet test) with prominent lands and grooves. Only thing that was a pain in the butt was that the rifle had a ton of surface rust throughout all the metal components. I used a a chemical solution to remove all the rust, so that meant no more metal finish. Too my surprise no pitting was present. For a $200 rifle I gave it a 8 out of 10.
I can't believe people still order from them. When they first started I heard it was IO.....right off the bay I said nope
You could strip the other M 91 for parts
I bought a carcano ts from buds a couple years ago. Cleaned it up and shot some ppu ammo, like you said , it keyholed. Feeling sick that I got burnt but I happened across thekoba49 videos . He explained there's some discrepancies in bore Dia. Original 6.5 carcano supposedly is .268 dia ,whereas current ammo is .264.i haven't got back to work on it to know if thats the problem though.
You felt sick over a $150? Eesh
Take it to a gunsmith
Nice Vetterli bayonet there.
I rolled the dice and ordered 2 x 1891 Carcano Carbines from them, $149 each, allegedly good to very good condition with an extra magazine each, getting them for my boys for their first shot at restoring an antique weapon, one with wood and not just metal and plastic
I saw that sale and was tempted but its ended and they are up to 189 again. Let me know how yours looks
@@doots12367 I got them today and surprised at how good a condition they both are, including the rifling, no missing parts and everything moves like it should, still have to clean though
@@grandpajoe9851 that is awesome. I have ordered one and paid the extra money for the hand select so I am hoping everything comes in decent. What years did you get and arsenals?
well on the bright side you can use it, for a door stop
RR vids are cathartic
I like the rifle I would toss the stock though, good video Sir!
I picked up a swiss rifle without a top handguard. I am going to 3d print it. It is a simple enough shape and it could be printed with "wood fibre" filament so it would accept some sort of stain. Or carbon reinforced fibre for better properties.
u love the cleanup and restore
Glad your happy with RTI........ I'm not, lol...... Rather get ammo with 200 bucks......
Makes sure to scope the bores on any RTI rifles. Looking down it doesn't give a good total view of the entire bore
Nice vetterli shortened ww1 bayonet 😉
I gave 199 for a grade C enfield no1mk3. Bore kinda bad. But not bad fir a 199.00. Opened with carcano bayonet.
You ordered a B grade rifle for cheap. What did you expect? ive order 4 or 5 times from RTI. I've always been more than happy in 2023 surplus imports are hard to find if you want a collector than pay for hand select
Hey Ready so so on that one.. I will look for a hard to find hand guard for ya. Thanks for showing RUSTY
Tbh for the cost of both rifles, you could of bought a nice one.
The Bayonet is the same One My Granny used to Trim her Toenails!
Being all that I’ve seen coming from RTI over the years, I wouldn’t buy anything from them.
Agreed. I don't know why people buy from there. Almost always junk. That's ok though, less people bidding in auctions and at gun shows where there's decent guns.
Sir, if you already have a handguard on the other Carcano rifle you purchased, I don't think it would be impossible to have one made by any competent wood worker. You have a pattern to work off.
Or use the other rifle as a "doner" for the new one with the better bore.
Not a bad rifle. Id prolly just use some superglue on the cracks that arent too bad. It makes them harder to notice too. Especially if u put some sawdust in the glue
I liked that long carcano i plan to get one
Awesome note on the bore! But man, that stock is reached. :(
Take the best pieces of both rifles and make your own A grade Carcano-you’ve already got a good handguard and stock!
Youll need the .268 dia bullet... PPU makes components
I just got one from the Black Friday sale 169$ it looks very good but has a squib stuck at the end of the chamber i will try to knock it our this weekend any pointers I taped on it with a wood old ramrod it’s gunna take a good amount of force
Definitely seems to be hit or miss with RTI. I see a lot of good and equally as much bad posts about what people receive, kind of a crap shoot.
I've only purchased from them once but I was happy with what I got. Ordered a Carcano carbine about a year ago, labeled as Very good condition for $135, I didn't know what to expect but ended up with a 1941 rifle that had no missing parts, no cracks and a surprisingly decent bore, even had a name carved into the stock which was kinda cool. Shoots great, just wish ammo wasn't a pain to find or overly expensive sometimes.
A lot of people I think also need to realize that these rifles have been through hell in two world wars, and ethopia, and should not expect a rifle in perfect condition. And the price does reflect that on a lot of them.
You wont find a carcano for $200 at any gun show, i can promise that.
I kick myself for not picking up a m91 long rifle for 300 that was complete but kind rough looking. Probably would have cleaned up decent but when I went back to the shop it was gone. Only missing the rod, had the handguard. Was a Terni or Roma, WWI date. Oh well. I have a pretty decent m41 that’s a great shooter I got from Springfield Sporters back in the day for 60. It was one of the nastiest looking rifles I ever got, but it was just dirty and full of old hardened cosmoline but after I got it all cleaned up the bluing wasn’t bad at all and the bore even had a bit of shine to it. FAT 41 with an older numbered straight bolt from a m91. Even got a deer with it.
My long rifle has a crack on the upper handguards and the rifling in the bore is there. The problem is finding one replacement screw for encap screw or a screwdriver thick enough to plug in the gap. Underneath the barrel, there were clearly bugs and a lot of shit.
Damn that's about grade? I would hate to see a c
I guess you didn't learn about rti yet but good news winters coming great firewood. Save your money spend some more and get something nice...
You get what you pay for.
It needs to be cleaned and oiled, and maybe retooled to clean up that wood.
Take the stock from the first one and take the barrel and action from this one and make a decent carcano
These days $200 ain't bad for a wall hanger even.
Boy, you just never learn, do you.
Ky Gun had some M91 Carcano carbide. I almost bought one, however couldn't find ammo. I kinda regreat that I didn't. 😢
B Grade I got honestly I'm happy with, good bore and overall condition. Only thing was the top handguard looked homemade or it was just really chewed up. Did get burned on the C grade No1 mk3s recently though.
I love the click bait thumbnails but for milsurp nerds 😂
I just bought wish me luck
Hahah, sometimes it makes the best content though. Hope she cleans up well for ya.
I bet the FBI has a giant file on this guy
Decent bore! Nice.
Could you switch the better bore on the better rifle?
Not without heavy machinery
I have a swiss from RTI
*Buys from RTI*
"OMG guys! It's junk! I can't *believe* it!"
Everyone: "Much stun. Very shock."
So you are going to assemble ine from the best parts. Keep that one and sell the Italiano Pistol? The Hacksaw of Milano!
They got b grade carcano rifle for 169
Now i ordered one lol
That Carcano looks like it came out of a pile in a hut somewhere in Ethiopia where it layed untouched for 60 years. You paid 200$ for a handful of scrap metal.
Enjoy the videos....
Yeah FedEx is terrible. I'm waiting on a Gras right now from RTI and FedEx just pushed the delivery 24 hours. Kinda hard to be here to sign when they can't even get they correct delivery day.
RTI grading system is so out of whack. That looks more like a C or D grade if it's a thing to me.