i wish we weren’t like “forced” to do either one. like yea you can be good in nuka world and evil in the commonwealth, but it’s not like exciting or a whole new experience imo. y’all know what i mean?
zeddisntdead i likes that you were forced, you didn’t choose the raider boss position it was forced upon you same as how many raiders in the commonwealth were kidnapped and forced to join. You learn more of there perspective because in this dlc your not being evil by clearing the park to help raiders just doing what you must to survive.
Simply put Bethesda is a terrible dm Bethesda: what you don’t want to do this quest the evil way? Then kill all of them and get no quests. Me: or or start a rebellion quest with the slaves that involves you sneaking or killing your way in a building to deactivate them. Maybe before that you do a quest to stockpile the rebellion with weapons, and when the collars are deactivated you do a quest a night to charge one of or all the gangs.
or you could tell Preston. Gather a bunch of minutemen to surround Nuka-World, and put them at seige. Meanwhile the Sturges and the minutemen set up artillery outside and Ronnie organizes a storming party.
@@Gearhead49d well, there is mods lol Minutemen retake Nukaworld. Pretty sure Oxhorn has a video on it on his channel too, so you don't have to go far to find it
@@fartsmelly1348 Mods. Minutemen Retake Nuka-World with Liberty Restored for upgraded troops; I had like 50 Minutemen, half of them in power armor, backing me up. It was glorious!
Yes, being a good person does sometimes mean you sacrifice a lot. I think it was Jack Sparrow's father who pointed out it's not about living forever, it's about living with yourself forever.
I really appreciate the deep psychology at the bottom of all of the stories in Bethesda games and how our decisions and progress in them is a reflection of us and who we are and what we want, where we want to go, etc. if we are given the options. I appreciate the options to do bad things but it feels more rewarding by preserving life that wants good for other life in general.
Yup, that's what people don't get about Far Harbour too. The genuinely Good ending is the one where you do not complete the missions (and so forego the loot) in order to avoid slaughtering people.
Instant gratification vs long-term gain. I've never seen the appeal in role playing as a psychopath. I'm glad the option is there for those who enjoy it, but it's not for me.
I started this DLC thinking, "Oooh! I'm going to learn about how raiders are actually deep and complex characters!". Then I step into the Disciples' den and remember thinking, "Uhm, nope, you're all dying now. Right now."
I feel you man. But the funniest thing is when some settlement at Far Harbor is being attacked and you are in the Nuka World. This is some mighty ass bullshit and always pisses the every living crap out of me.
I made a playthrough specifically so I could keep the perks that the Operators and the Pack offer, all you have to do is make sure you complete the Nuka World DLC before meeting Preston Garvey. Once Nuka world is finished and you have the perks you want then you help Preston until he gives you the mission to kill the Nuka World raiders. Keep Nuka World and it's perks, then play through the rest of the game as you normally would
@@leonpoyner3403 So the way it plays out if you go straight to Nuka world without meeting Preston is that when you come back to Concord as the overboss he acts like nothing is wrong. As soon as he gets to sanctuary though he'll think you're a disgrace and tell you to kill the three faction leaders, once done he goes right back to your old buddy o pal. Plus you keep the perks from the Nuka world factions, so for me that +25% damage with suppressed weapons and the melee perk from the pack.
@@thelazarous Cheers, I wanna do a stealth blade build so the melee will be perfect! I always fucking hated how it was restricted but if I can get the perks with no repercussions sign me up! Thanks alot
Well the Brotherhood deal with Ghouls, Super Mutants or Synths. Which is why you were able to call them in to wipe out the synth colony in Far Harbor. They don't typically give 2 shits about raiders enough to go out of their way to plan an invasion. The Minutemen on the other hand....
now now think about it for a moment, nuka world has access to a variety of advanced technological marvels including multiple military machines, that plus nuka world would make a useful base of operations. both seem fairly good reasons for the brotherhood to get involved
John michael While these weapons are creative I wouldn't call them advanced or even more practical than what the brotherhood already has. I would however call the life extending technology a technological marvel. However something like that is useless to the brotherhood seeing as eternal life means you're just a head. Even if it did work properly, you would be categorized as an abomination that must be eliminated much like a synth. Synths are what you would consider technologically advanced, but the brotherhood would rather destroy them than use them.
Funny thing to try - Go straight to the market after killing Colter and talk to Mackenzie to get the Open Season quest. Then kill off the gangs and go turn on the power before you go talk to Porter in Fizztop. He'll just stand there and stare at you. He has no dialog options to handle this sequence of events, and won't interact with you at all.
he has no dialogue options and fails to even comprehend what has just happened within the 4 hours of the entirety of nuka world being wiped out, and the power being restored
@@addimbantuwe7114 yeah you are so right about the concept. Bethesda really need to focus on it and actually for the next game put a radio like it to where a guy tells stories of the Wasteland and other fun facts about the Wasteland it would be really cool
I love the final transmission Red-Eye sends before getting the Hell out of Dodge. He’s basically like: THIS IS WHY WE DON’T LET TRIGGER HAPPY BITCHES JOIN THE CLUB!” I’m also glad Red-Eye ran off. Means I didn’t have to kill him.
Same for me: In the elder scrolls, like Skyrim, I try to do an evil gameplay, for example a dark magician or sadistic vampire. It's a fantasy world, after all...but fallout it's a post apocalyptic land, filled with despair, famine and violence. In all of the three game of Bethesda (Fallout 3, New Vegas and this) i play always the good guys.
The best way to do this DLC, morally, and gameplay-wise, is this: 1. Do not become General of the Minutemen (at least not until finishing all these steps) 2. Complete the entire Nuka-World DLC on the side of the raiders, with Porter Gage as a companion to acquire his companion perk 3. Complete Shank's Settlement takeover quests until the quest Power Play starts 4. Finish Power Play with the two Raider gangs you want the perks from, they will follow you to the Power Plant during this quest 5. As soon as the two perks are awarded, kill the Raider Gang leaders while they are still on the roof of the Power Plant with you, this will allow you to complete the Open Season quest without having to kill your way through hundreds of Raiders in Nuka-Town USA 6. Go back to the Commonwealth and reclaim the settlements you gave to the Raiders by killing them 7. You are now free to become General of the Minutemen without Preston hating you, allowing you to keep him as a follower AND gain his affinity perk 8. Congratulations! You now have all perk benefits of an evil playthrough, but still keep Preston Garvey as a companion (he won't even comment on it if you complete Open Season before meeting him.)
What if you were to pay through Nuka-World, and then finish open season, but you are already general of the minutemen, but you didn't talk to Preston until after open season, what happens then?
JakeSpacePirate E Preston only hates you if he knows you whilst you are Overboss with at least one owned main game raider settlement (Shank's Commonwealth missions) as long as none are marked as owned in the Commonwealth, Preston will still tolerate any action committed in Nuka-World. Seems his precious settlements are his last straw
It's impossible to become General without securing Tenpines Bluff specifically, as long as you finish Open Season BEFORE securing Tenpines Bluff, you'll be okay. If you secure Tenpines Bluff before Open Season with any raider settlement in the Commonwealth marked as owned, Preston will know about you and your raiders and will give you the Open Season quest himself before asking you to be the General, but I'm not sure if he will still like you doing it this way, It probably should work because he doesn't become a companion until you ARE General, he can't hate, dislike, like or Love any actions if he doesn't have companion status
TRISTAN KAHL the dole survivor should have been angry, he seen his wife get killed and kid taken away as he was trapped and couldn’t do anything. He shouldn’t have be happy and smiling all the time😕
Omg, I used the Minutemen Take Nuka-World Mod you suggested... It was epic. I was so pumped and it felt so perfect and amazing. Thank you so much for the suggestion!
I found the Nuka world raider gangs to be repulsive and killed every one of them from the start 😂 I also spent enough time with Cait to know she would have the time of her life helping me take down all the raiders 😎
Even on my fifth play-through I decided to kill Porter Gage as soon as I was done with Colter, didn't even let him finish saying his lines. From then on killing the rest of the raiders was only natural. I simply hate raiders
I actually like that you don't get the perks for the good ending, I think it makes it more of an "ethical" dilemma. It's easy to do good if there is no cost to it. The idea is to make you think like a raider, hey if I do bad things I get all these benefits. Being good when there really is nothing in it for you seems more realistic somehow. Gage even talks about his becoming a raider because they were the ones that got things & the benefits of being a raider, as well as having everyone scared of you. He mocked the people that chose to take the harder but "good" path, like his parents & work for what they had. Just my take on it though, like a good book good games are open to interpretation. .
Now that I think of it like that, it is an ethical dilemma where they're trying to bribe you almost with the evil ending when they offer several perks.
I agree completely with it being a true test of morality and like that aspect of it, but it is a little sad that my 14 hour run of the place could have been a 30 minute dlc pack if I chose to be the good guy early on.
+Frosthaven yeah they should've extended the good guy ending where it was something like, for example, sabotaging the gangs to prompt them to fight each other or something like that b
that's not really possible with a dlc that comes months after the main game, they assume most players will have already completed the main story. it would be cool....but hard to set up
All i wanted was to force raiders at gunpoint to be proper gentlemen. They would say please and thank you a lot, clean the park and spread flyers about love and friendship across the Commonwealth. But i guess programming Kill Everyone is easier.
I always looked for the best endings too. I just don't get any gratification from being a bad guy. Some people do, because it's just a game after all and they want to explore that. That's fine, but not for me. When I play a role in a game I take my personality with me. Sounds silly doesn't it. What I find interesting is that the narrative changes based on the moral choices you make in the game. It's not just a shooter, but a story. Bioshock was like that too, and fallout forced the sole survivor to make some very hard decisions. As in life, not everyone is going to be a winner. And in the end you just have to choose what kind of world you want this to be.
I tried to have a "redemption" ending by wiping out all my raider settlements only to discover you can't because the turrets are unkillable. Why they would allow a simple bug to ruin this whole endgame scenario is beyond me.
I'll mark it on your map for you. In all seriousness, I wish I could get the brotherhood to come in (a little like apocalypse now without killing civies) and storm the place or just use blitzkrieg tactics.
Alexander Krestan which is fun as a sniper but as a lmg power armor character it's disappointing and I have been using this character since I purchased the game and have the entire SPECIAL chart filled out, I kind of felt ripped off by this dlc
Exciting Marcus he was my first victim, then cleared the market, wasted the operaters, capped the pack, and finally silenced the diciples. And after alllll that, I went to fetch myself robot parts. And for some reason....found out I got raider buildables anyway .....sweet
>Get the institute ending and then kill shaun and everyone in institute. >Nuke crazy atom son, Destroy Acadia, and then kill everyone in far harbor. >Side only with Mags because she is hot, and ofcourse rap.. i mean kill her. >make open season at diamond city and make sure come back every 2 days to make new open season. >enslave all the Commonwealth (wait.. can we do that?) Fixed thanks me later..
I killed every gang and leader right from the beginning after I got out of the gauntlet, restore power to nuka, got my Quantum armor and did every little side mission.
@@Youarekenough You can restore power after you complete Open Season (kill raiders), or after you complete the evil ending, but you can start the open season mission at anytime, so it's easier and faster.
The final fight with the Sole Survivor going full slaughter on the raiders reminds me of the Kingsmen Church scene. If only we could have Freebird playing in the background.
They should have gave you Cito, Eagel, and Oswald as companions. To make the good ending more special. Like you gather them and together you all drive the raiders out! Eagel and his fellow western robots along with the Galaxy bots fight, Cito leading his family along with other animals with possibly tamed gatorclaws, and finally Ozwald with his ghouls help as well. Like you and Nuka World as a whole rise up and drive them out together. Gaining freedom and independents
When I did the nukaworld dlc, I opened up all of nuka world for the gangs, until shank wanted to raid my settlements, then did the good ending. I was able to get all the new decorative items from nuka world. But, you have the evil ending quest stuck in your quest log, if you can live with that..
You know, when they tell me to destroy the settlement's I started to kill everybody, I remember thinking: "You're not getting close to my settlement's".
It depends. You still can finish all of the quest until you reach the point where you're told to invade Commonwealth and still be considered "good" (Even Preston won't mind at all if he tags along when you're doing the quests). If you do that, you're only missing out on Raider Outpost system, which is pretty much a settlement system for Raiders that are frustrating anyway (Raiders hate being told to farm), and of course, the perks.
Another way to consider is actually finishing all of the raider quests, get the perks, and then go back to being the good guy. You will still lose Preston Garvey as companion (which I don't mind at all), and you can strike the raider outposts and reclaim them as your settlement. If you go down this route, make sure to not have any turrets in the raider outpost. It causes bug and won't let you reclaim the settlement.
Side note with the turrets. Any time you are taking over your own settlements it's sensible to store the turrets. They become available to you again as soon as you re-take it (either for settlers or raiders). So make the take over easier and give yourself instant turrets once it's over.
I've never had an issue with the turrets you just do enough damage to destroy them. They shut down but remain in place. once you have done that with all of them you go to the workshop and reacquire the settlement. Then you can repair the turrets and use them as defense again.
James Beem Seems that it's already fixed then. There was a problem where the turret isn't considered destroyed. It stays at 1 HP and I couldn't do anything to claim the settlement. It got stuck.
I really wish they developed a better "good guys" faction for nuka world. It is a lot of content that doesn't fit for anyone playing a good character, which would be fine to me if there was a raider-faction ending to the main storyline.
The good ending really should be just as rewarding as the bad ending. Otherwise the choice isn't be evil or be good; it's be evil or don't bother getting the DLC.
Yeah, I thought at first that I would find a group of escaped traders and we would take out the raiders together, but that isn't what happened. The hold out traders seem to have perished prior to my arrival.
@@eXTreemator alOt doesn't need to be a happily ever after ending but a good ending should be offered, even the most grimdark worlds offer a light at the end of the tunnel.
Each raider gang reminds me of something more specific than the generic raider gang. Disciples- cult Pack- tribals Operators- mercs I just thought this was cool for when it came to selecting which to die and who to support because each gang has there huge differences and in my opinion the last two fit my goal of restoring nuka world well as they demanded the least bloodshed and in time the raiding would dwindle down as it would have for the three families in new Vegas once they settled in and released it didn’t benefit them to do so, rather hindered them.
None of those perks were of any use to me, I’m not a sniper, I’m not a melee build, and I don’t use energy weapons. Wiping them out seemed the best choice to me, but now all of the merchants are now mysteriously naked.
Ok. So it wasn't just me. I walk into the market and instantly see everyone in their underwear and think, "Woah! Guys. When I said that you're free I didn't mean this free!"
"No, not all of them", she said "only the leaders of the gangs" she said and I've still ended up having a mini World War 4 in the Nuka World with every single raider. Lots of XP tho
I think you inferred too much from Mackenzie's statement. She said that the gangs "would collapse" not submit or become passive. I never understood this to mean that the gangs would become peaceful or submit to my will, I assumed she meant that the gangs would collapse, fall apart without leadership and disperse into the wastes.
Lost Luna That's what I thought too. But it makes no sense with the pack since they are the ones based on the animal kingdom. They follow the strongest. So if you were to absolutely butcher Mason they should be under your control. Mason even draws attention to this if you successfully intimidate him when you first speak to him.
That requires effort, scripting a "Surrender" script into only the Pack's characters rather than using the same programming for every gang with slight differences. Remember: Bethesda doesn't like effort. They used to love effort, they used to put some real love into their games, but nowadays they put just as much love into it as needed to not totally disappoint you, but not make the hype worth it. So they can go about with their microtransactions (paid mods, that are totally not paid mods)
@Sajirou Plays: Remember it's not just Bethesda's call anymore, they also need to bow down to the almighty EA -_- So if the dunderheads at EA say the people working on a game only have x amount of months and budget to do a thing, you can bet alot of content will get scrapped because of EA's profet deadline.
Blew off Gage's head the second I came out of the gauntlet, then proceeded to cut loose across nuka town clearing out the gangs, felt good to have those basterds taken down a peg.
I would got that rifle free from Mason than pay excessive amount of caps for the same rifle. Putting on a shock collar on a gunner felt so good as well as Preston. Then I lay waste to the raiders.
I went Count of Monte Cristo on them. Oh you're going to put me through your gauntlet and enslave anyone who doesn't join you? Okay, have it your way. I joined them, secure their precious Nuka-World, and helped them take over a few settlements without any bloodshed. I will reap every benefit and reward that you can offer me. Then when you have showered me with praise, glory, and wealth. I will take everything away in vengeance of those you have wronged. I equipped my Quantum armor and my Big Boy Nuka-Nuka Launcher and unleashed Hell upon them. Gage was one of the first to die. He was the one responsible for all of this.
@@lop90ful1 They "help the commonwealth" in theory. In reality, you get them working on synthetic gorillas while they wish death upon the surface dwellers and sabotage anyone who becomes a threat to their control.
The worst thing about Nuka World is that you still can't really be evil. Like when those snarky raiders say $hit to you as Overboss you should be allowed to kill them and keep the rest in line through intimidation.
I actually just finished Nuka World... I tell you, that doctor had no idea what she was getting you into telling you to off the raider gang heads (or perhaps she did and was downplaying the situation to help convince you). She tells you to simply off the gang leaders and the rest would fall in line. This is NOT however, the case. No matter what you do you end up having to kill every, single, raider in the entire park. Honestly, while what they did to the traders made my eye twitch, I'd have been okay with letting them have the park. The problem lies in the raider mentality itself. I was a bit irritated that you couldn't do more to sway Shank and Gage to simply settle in and leave the Commonwealth be. What they have there in the park is a veritable fortress kingdom (with built in electricity even), and is far better than anything they'll find elsewhere. You even have the ability to tell them this, but you however don't have the ability to convince them or in any way really press the issue. Raiders are, alas, much like the song "One Last Score" by Red-Eye paints them to be. They're over-ambitious, callous and uncaring for others, and frankly never satisfied. I think Colter (your predecessor) realized this too. It's why instead of fulfilling his "promised obligations" to Gage he instead settled in and began building more venues for entertaining (placating) his fellows. And we see how well that went for him.
An old post but asking the raiders to just stay is impossible. They have no social infrastructure to maintain a society without attacking others. Staying in one location would, as it did before you came along, cause the raiders to eat each other alive.
What if you could side with Bradberton? After completing Sierra’s quest and meeting Bradberton, you could tell him about the raiders in his park. You would then work with him to reprogram the robots around the park to drive the raiders out of the park. Mr. House style.
You don't loose the settlements, it just replaces the settlers with the chosen raider faction. You only lose the settlement if you force the settlers to supply money instead of taking the settlement over.
Yeah, that was the only thing I didn't like. I love being a raider but even though I had 5 settlements with 50+ food each supplying the raiders, they were still fkin hungry. I'm gonna finish the story again and just build the 1 or 2 raider settlements required. The tribute chest isn't worth it for me.
if you have the automatron dlc, you can get around this! Create a robot and never ask it to come with you. It's home will be wherever you created it as long as you don't make it a companion - which means it can farm food and man the stands for your raiders!
Frosthaven Nice! Thanks, man. I made a robot in one of my raider settlements just to wander around and look scary. It didn't occur to me that I could of made him farm.
Damn I thought that they were good in a bad way or have some sort of redemption but turns out they are all just the same. Now excuse me, I've got to go. *Enters Power Armor and takes the minigun out* Remember - No Raider
After reading some of the comments here, I felt that I need to give my two seconds here: I was really disappointed with the DLC. In fact, now I know how people who wanted to play as evil on the vanilla game felt. It never bored me before because I always play as a good character and make no sense play as an evil character. Therefore, to me, join the raiders to destroy all you have built during the regular game is something unacceptable... The thing is: Although I love the game, history wise it is quite weak. Sometime it forces you to make moral choices that you could avoid with some really simple solution... But this is another discussion... Nuka World SHOULD have a 'good path' and I can thing on lots of ways that it could have been done: 1 - You could have options to free the slavers from the collars and make them revolt; 2 - You could be able to bring the Minuteman to retake and free the park. 3 - We could also still have the 'Open Season' quest to kill the leaders, but this should not necessarily make everything try to kill you. 4 - Some of the NPC should be able to convince to switch sides on conversations, even more Gage So much more ideas and options could be have done with it... BUT if making The Sole Survivor became evil IS part of the canon (We never know, maybe Bethesda wants to make him a villain on FO5?) it should have been done with a decent backstory; Like, have some settlement to be attacked by, I don't know, Gunners? and make them kill someone important... Maybe Piper or Preston and then, start a realization that the Minutemen aren't strong enough to keep the commonwealth together. That being a Overlord and control raiders would make him/her stronger to control and defend the commonwealth and make raiders attack other regions for resources and so on. But no... the game simply throw you the options and you should accept it without any motive. Without any Epiphany. The closest ever the game get to give us any line to justify the change is when Gage says: "You know, I've heard about you. In charge of the Minutemen, ain't ya? No idea why you'd waste your time with those has-beens." There is also this: controlling raiders is not an easy path. The game system to manage the rider settlement proves that; They live by praying on the working settlements and they never have enough food to all... Everybody seems to see the Minuteman as an weak faction. But to tell the truth, they felt at first place just when they started to fight between each other after loosing the Castle. And eventually, the last ones were betrayed by Clint. But with the right direction, the militia can become a force to be respected. They need training and gear: Preston and the Lone Wanderer could start the first and the second? There is plenty across the commonwealth! Every enemy dead is a new gear for a possible Minutemen!
OK, Finally I decide to start the Nuka World. I just passed the gauntlet and started some smaller quests around. Since is a big issue in the beginning, we TOTALLY could have a 'good quest' to put the gangs to kill each other! That would make MUCH more sense to the 'Open Season' line. Play each gang against the other and then kill the leaders! It's so obvious! The plot exists already! The other Overboss was already doing it when you got the position. During the war between the gangs would would be easier to take the other bosses and eventually would be easier to convince the slavers to pick up the arms and fight for their home. Also, we could even have a optional quest to use the Minutemen to attack from outside. So, the quest would be: "Open Seson" - Do some quests to make the gangs start a internal fight. - Convince the slaves to fight for their home - Find a way to disarm the collars - Stash weapons for the slaves (much like the Synth quest) - Contact the minutemen to attack and make a distraction from outside. Also be able to put Gage on the right path after showing him how to do it. And BOOM! You have a awesome good and reasonable way to take back the Nuka World. They totally should keep the evil path as it is (Plus some more meaningful dialog and situations to provoke the Lone Wanderer to change sides).
Alexandre Xavier yeah like here's an idea on how to introduce it they take diamond city and the minutemen or whoever you chose are weakened the institute in my case the point of it is is that you go to diamond city to see piper for her birthday when you get attacked by all three gangs then the minutemen come and gunners but they are overrun it's your job to go to nukes world kill all the raiders or join them and either take diamond city or leave it
Gamer Cat No not really, it pressured the player into making a hard choice which is not often seen in vanilla fallout and also had great gameplay along the way
Nuka World feels like the true morality test, to see how hard you'll work to get the good ending, or if you'll buckle under the pressure to become evil
I play a good general character like you. I wanna play the good guy, the hero. MY big issue with fallout is the dimmed down RPG aspect of the game. From the second you step out of that cryo pod you are the good guy with just about everything you do. The most you can do in an evil run is join the Institute, or even the BoS. But I believe those options are morally ambiguous at most. Nuka World was a real punch to the gut for me. Yes it does give you a fantastic option to go evil, but you miss out on most of the entire 25$ DLC. The problem with it isn't that they were filling in the evil option. It's the allusion of the choice to be evil. The fantastic thing about the predecessors to Fallout 4 was the complete option to be Good, Evil, or any ground in between. Take megaton for example. I could keep it and Miss Moira. Or I could nuke it to hell. Take The Pitt DLC. You could lead a slave rebellion (Which i felt would have been a nice touch to NukaWorld) Or work for the big bad boss. The thing is is that no matter what morality you went with it was always an extremely fun, fleshed out story. Not this "Be only good or bad and if you pick the opposite fuck you" type of deal. Both the DLC and the RPG aspects were some of the most memorable parts of the previous games for me, and I feel let down that Bethesda seems to have given up on themselves in that regard. Fallout 4 is a very, very fun game with much to offer. But I feel with a little more thought it could have been so, so much more. And if you got this far I thank you for reading my paragraph. I give you the cookie.
Yeah. The main game you have to be good or you get boned, and in Nuka World you have to be evil or you get boned. It's not a solution that makes anyone happy.
+ Zachary S ... Provided you and/or your friends aren't Synths. Or Ghouls. Or Supermutants. Or don't have anything that the BOS wants for themselves. Then, yeah, the BOS are lovely people.
Simply scare the damn settlers and don't kill them morons. Oh and BoS simply is misguided and if put on the right path can do some good, hell they took the instute(in my playthrough) and in Fo3 the BoH terminated a greater threat called the Enclave sooo.
I'm pretty sure that with Mag's slave collar missions, you can talk to the target, ask them to follow you and collar them discretely so that the town they're in doesn't turn hostile.
Discreet = careful, with consideration of observers. Discrete = defined, finite, separate. If you fail the check, tho, do you lose the chance to collar them?
@Cass Rogowicz Does freeing the slaves provide an inflow of caps to the sole survivor? Or are they just there from then on? (Also, like my comment so I can see if you or anyone else replied pls)
This is kinda late, but you can get those raider ending perks by completing it normally then killing the raiders afterwards. As for the worry about destroying your settlements, just transfer most of the settlers away to different settlements before giving a settlement to the raiders- then take the settlement back after you kill the bosses. Also, you can lead people out of town for the raider radiant quests before collaring or killing them- this prevents the city from going hostile.
Don't do what this video suggests. When the lass asks you to accept the quest, tell her no. Do all the taking of settlements and whatever to get the Ace Op etc perks and then go and see Preston. As long as you haven't started the minuteman questline (avoid Concord) until 'after' Nuka World, Preston will give you the same quest and this then corrects everything and gets you back on track with a happy Preston and all the settlements can be retaken. A couple of things wrong in the vid but the most important are the timing and the quest giver.
You can complete the quests that were given to you from the raider leaders without turning the whole city against you! You can go and talk to the quest target to follow you somewhere hidden. Then Boom.
I kind of wish you could meet Sgt Lanear when clearing the bottling plant, and with the Gunners you clear up the park, you then are able to befriend the Gunners, and turn Nuka World into more of a Merc military base getting the radio up and running, getting Colnel Cyprus out to Nuka World
They aren't evil, but they're far from good. They're just selfish and self-serving. End of the day the really do think they are doing what is best for the world, but they're also extremely racist only tolerating Synths and Ghouls if they can get something beneficial out of them. Also all the technology they hoard, they never even attempt to use it for good. They just claim it's all bad and thus should be used by no-one, even themselves. None of this is inherently evil. Just...kind of assholish.
Ehh, Oxhorn has a video giving a few good reasons why the Brotherhood are the closest thing to the Nazis in the wastes. Even the doctor's terminal has an entry that is verbatim the exact analysis of the perfect Aryan, just with Maxon being the subject and Aryan being replaced with "human".
I wish they included a quest branch that makes you convince the raiders the commonwealth is off limits. The raiders taking over Nuka-World already makes it the largest sole settlement that we have seen in the Fallout universe. Yes, keep the enslaving, etc., but leave the commonwealth alone. The raider gang you chose to only give one part of Nuka-World to would then break ranks and start raiding the commonwealth, resulting in the same reactions from companions as if you did start raiding the commonwealth (because it would be your fault for not keeping them under control). That way, there would be a middle ground. The best ending to Nuka-World is not doing anything for the raiders, and just starting open season. You get miscellaneous quests to clear the Nuka-World outposts (allowing you to keep any denizens there if you so desire), and then a miscellaneous quest to restart the power plant. It completely removes the raiders from Nuka-World, bar random encounters which reduces them to just normal bandit tribes. However, this ending will lock out basically all rewards from the raiders, but you get to leave Nuka-World with your head held high, so that's something
Why couldn't there be an ending in which you can rehabilitate the raider factions and make them your own private army that *doesn't* take from others and goes around wiping out the other raiders, Gunners and Super Mutants factions in the Common Wealth? Why couldn't I *USE A FUCKING EMPTY SETTLEMENT FOR THEIR RAIDER BASE*!? Fallout 4 is fun but Nuka World highlighted it's biggest glaring problem, it's all wasted potential...
Tearonex you can actually establish outposts on empty settlements. However, you'd still need vassal settlements which you can bribe to supply your outposts (instead of just killing them). And they do roam the wasteland killing ghouls, raiders, rust devils etc which indirectly helps keeping the commonwealth safe. And they won't harm your settlements as you do have control over that decision
One simple mod man. 'Skip Raiding Settlements'. It should have been an option to begin with, considering Bethesda new most people would probably have built up settlements, and everyone was disgruntled at the fact you had to raid what is basically your own territory and not new places. With that mod you just tell Shank you don't want to (they *just* got Nuka World ffs), and move on with Power Play. Boom, private army in the West, main territory in the East.
dantesinfernal0 There is a rehabilitated gang in New Vegas - The Great Khans. They don't go around raiding settlements anymore, like original Khans and New Khans used to, they just produce chems and sell them. The problem with others is that they aren't organized enough to talk to, and it takes a strong hand to control them. You could be the new Caesar who took over various gangs, put them under your control by any means, including painful death, and established his own empire. But I guess Fallout 4 is just too shallow for a plot like that.
oh thank god. stopped playing fallout for a while just came back and since I bought the season pass I have all the DLCs. I've been avoiding info for spoilers, but I just got to Nukaworld and thought "Am I screwed?" Thank you Oxhorn I'm happy to know I can sorta play this dlc.
Playing through Nuka World for the first time, thank you for the informative video! I have to agree... one of my favorite parts about Fallout 4 is building the settlements for the Minutemen and taking care of my settlers. Bummed that I have to do Open Season, I like the gangs & Gage but I cannot cause such havoc on the Commonwealth and piss off Preston and my settlers :/
+Brian It explains why people in Goodneighbor were so afraid of the institute kidnapping people...it's just that it was the raiders instead of the institute
if you want the best of both worlds, give the 3 settlements to the gang that turns on you. After they turn and you wipe them out, the settlement goes unowned and you can reclaim it.
Before the expansions came out, Preston stopped being a follower after I reclaimed the Castle. Now he's in Sanctuary Hills, as you put it, and he won't join me, despite it being almost a year since the game came out, lol.
Getting full genocidal against raiders and supermutants is actually thrilling. And it's also profitable in this case since the traders have respawning caps. I think I've gotten 50-60k just selling the gear from the dead raiders. I had gotten all the goodies from Porter Gage and Cola Cars arena beforehand. Also you can do those radiant quests without any violence or even antagonizing important factions, just lure the target out of the settlements with an easy speak check and collar them there; also avoid those quests targeting Minutemen or BoS, just save before you get them and then if you get such a quest load until you get one targeting gunners or raiders.
I'm not happy with the way Bethesda handled Nuka World and how counter-productive it is to the rest of the game. If they at least let you do the Raider quests, and then turn against them to restore things, that wouldn't be so bad. Hopefully some modders will fix things and make it better.
Bethesda should really consider hiring some actual competent writers, Fallout4 and the dull as dishwasher dlc bored me to tears, haven't played it for months and see zero reason to go back .I'll wait and see what Prey is like , Avellone from Obsidian should do better aye .
I didn't like the choices in Far Harbor, either. But I loved the atmosphere the story had. The Nucleus, the synth hiding spot. On the other hand the park theme of NW is quite nice and the gameplay is like 300% more fun. Clearing Kiddie Kingdom was really exciting, for example. Far Harbor exploration on the other side bored me more than anything.
It's when "home sweet home" I realized Gage is greater evil than Colter, by Gage's own word, Colter's mistake was only not too greedy, Colter was insane but the damage was limited. While Gage has his more rational plan to enslave the whole Commonwealth.
I love Gage, lol. I've never completed NW for the sole purpose of keeping him as my fave companion. The only other companions I like are Nick and Hancock but once I have their perk, I go get Gage back to travel with. It's just me, Dogmeat and Gage, forever 🖤
I instantly killed Shank starting "Open Season" and then killed all the Raiders. Totally worth it and easily the most RPG points in entire games with choices that actually effect the world that are disappointingly absent from the game and even the loss of the benefits makes your actions count.
You mentioned one of the drawbacks to choosing a good ending is that you lose all the settlement pieces that get unlocked after you start doing these quests for the raiders to take over Commonwealth settlements. Ive found that NOT to be the case. All new NukaWorld DLC settlement objects will unlock as you clear out the areas of the park and assign raider gangs to them. All the park ares can be cleared with absolutely no negative affects on your current status with the Minutemen and Preston. The negative effects only begin after you leave NukaWorld to enslave other settlements, which means you can complete the entire DLC and unlock all relevant special items and perks and quests before completing Open Season.
There is an entire tab called "raider" that has raider-specific settlement objects, like flags, tribute chests, and chem dispensers, that you miss out on by not doing the evil ending.
Oxhorn Thanks oxhorn for the clarification. I progressed slightly further by accepting Gage's request to spread out into the commonwealth and subjugate settlements and it did indeed open up even more settlement objects. However, I now found that the thing that actually causes Preston Garvey to see and leave is the instant you place a raider flag in one of your settlements. As long as you do not place a raider flag in an already established settlement you should be able to keep Preston as a companion and use the newly unlocked tab of raider items. I have not tested to see if you can claim a new settlement as a raider settlement without pissing off preston.
Actually, good sir, I have noticed that while you need to start the quests to take back Nuka-world for the raiders to then open up the quests for taking Nuka-world back for the slaves, you don't actually need to claim a single spot in Nukaworld to open up the good ending. Hell, I just explored Nukaworld, decided I didn't feel like working with the Raiders, and just started bushwhacking the Disciples. Then, open season! It starts automatically should you just attack the leaders of the various gangs.
Also, I made a point of killing Dixie first. Sneak attack with the gauss rifle, shooting her down like the rabid dog she was. It seemed fitting to deny the wretched thing the epic fight she always wanted, and blow her head off from an ambush. Why give her what she always desired before killing her? She was the one that finally just...made my decision for me.
i can condense this video into this single post, play along with the raiders until you've gotten all of the side parks under control and unlocked their things, then kill the raiders, you have access to the full park and it's contents along with weapons and materials and you don't have to destroy everything you've been building
I did the good ending on my main. Couldn't bring myself to attack the commonwealth. I plan to do an evil run (technically started it, but haven't leveled enough to get to nuka world) and I'm eager to try out some of the evil gameplay
My biggest complaint with Nuka World is that the good guy ending is so damn straightforward. You show up, see that everything in the place is terrible, then go on a rampage to clean the place up. There's no nuance to it. Compare it to The Pitt DLC for Fallout 3, where you have to complete several quests (i.e. cooperate with the villains) before you can choose to wipe out the slavers and free the slaves of the Pitt. On my first run, I chose to work with the raiders, despite being a good character, because I saw the potential to betray the gangs in clever ways. Killer robots? Radioactive water sprayers? Gatorclaw cloning machines? These were all environmental dangers that you had to deactivate before you gave the respective territories to the gangs. I figured that I could hand the territories over to the gangs, then manufacture a bloodbath to help thin the herds. Alas, I went in to clear things out, only to find that I had essentially wasted my time. So, I cleansed the park like you're supposed to if you're not going to play ball. Oh, well.
Some decent reasons is the best you could say, when being a raider on the side will make you damn near infinite caps, new, fun, radiant quests and a faction that isn't a piece of shit like the minutemen. At any point during the main game did you feel like a general? Didn't think so. This is a game, I really don't get why people cage themselves with this DLC wanting their fictional character to be good in a DLC that finally allows you to be evil. "Evil," because no person in the game will change the way they act towards you; I didn't talk to Preston during the DLC, and he's still as bland and shitty as always. You can peacefully take settlements for your Raider groups. I don't get people roleplaying and trying to make a "good" ending out of this DLC. It may be "good" but it isn't good or a good idea, and makes the game less interesting.
Shenanigans KY There's a thing called "roleplaying" and its the reason why several people decided to do the good route -.- I don't see how that's "caging" yourself, unless you view any roleplaying as caging yourself. Also the radiant quests are as fun as any other radiant quest.
Shenanigans KY First, to become the overboss without killing people is a thing no-one does and requires you to cage yourself hundreds more than just bloody killing the bad guys And second, "Good" does not necessarily mean "not killing people." and anyone past primary school would know that. Sometimes, especially when it comes to digusting people like most if not all of the raiders in the game, killing is for the greater good even more when it comes to preventing undue suffering and bloodshed. The reason why this route is morally superior was explained much better than I ever could, but I'll summarize it for you. The pack organise gladiator fights between animals and slaves and feed slaves to their bear whose name has escaped me. The disciples... well... they're the bloody disciples. Many lines of dialogue by them and other raiders allude to them practicing torture on slaves. The disciple's boss makes a habit out of murdering innocent wastelanders. The operators test a mind control drug on slaves, which they do through, obviously, torture. And then they kill them because their science skills aren't worth the scrap metal they call "armour" And if your idea of fun is turning an entire town irreversibly hostile then... good for you, I guess?
Scott The Dick It wasn't irreversibly hostile. Everything you see on youtube isn't correct. Killing for a greater good is evil, and how the Nazis did what they did, and how genocides in general are started. "morally superior" - this is a video game. You don't kill that many humans at all in becoming Overboss- Colter, and then the gang that tries to kill you when you go to turn on the power plant, that's it. I killed the pack, and don't care about the cannibalism the Disciples practice. It's a game. "Disciples boss" you meant Dixie, not the leader. Operators tested on members of other gangs too- found it didn't work- but found it worked on a trader, which is the lore behind why the grenades work how they do-only in towns.You say the Operator's armor isn't worth scrap metal, when it's 95% leather, and actually looks good. Again, Goodneighbor returned to peaceful, so it really sounds like you haven't played the DLC and are trying to troll, have fun being morally superior in a single player game, I bet all your friends and both your parents are proud of you.
This is the video i needed, thanks. With a level 220 character and fully built up settlements, my character is not going to turn evil, period. You did a great job of detailing the Pro's and Con's of becoming a Raider. What i will do is create a new character with Raider leanings in mind and head over to Nuka World as soon as its mature enough. Just need to think up a good Raider name now, like Ray Jay or Soul Crusher. Subscribed.
Meanwhile as someone who doesn't really use a settlement system, except for my main one in Sanctuary, I can happily turn over a few settlements I haven't ever visited to the raiders. The only bad thing would be the Minutemen turning against their General, but whatever, I still have a huge grudge against Preston Garvey going m.i.a. after taking the Castle with so many of my favorite weapons I can happily let him mark down settlements in heaven.
In relation to nuka world, the perks and settlement items act as a guilty temptation, offered to sway people from the more moral option. I like that I have to sacrifice in order to remain true to my character's values. Additionally, people complaining about Nuka World being deserted following Open season are overdoing it, even when the zones are occupied there are no more than 10 raiders wandering around a loot chest. That's really not what I'd consider populated.
Nuka World is a cool DLC if you aren't into roleplaying as none of the factions you ally with would ever side with them. No matter how cruel you are, the closest to being a ruthless killer you'd get would be with the Institute or Brotherhood of Steel. But they still believe in Order, they would never ally with Raiders. It would've been cool if Raiders were an option from the get-go, instead of going Minuteman, you could maybe just wreak havoc on the Wasteland?
Porter gage is stuck on fizztop mountain because I never talked to him the first time before open season. He won't say anything, or move, but I appreciate his loyalty.
I decided to have my cake and eat it too. I completed the Raider storyline, then killed them all. Also, while I found building/defending settlements annoying, I always made sure not to attack any of the ones under my control.
14:11 The only thing missing from that final broadcast was Redeye yelling at the end "I WANT MY MOMMYYYYYYYYyyyyyyyy!!!! *Sounds of fading footsteps as Redeye runs away screaming into the night*"
Glad I watched this as I didn't realise the power control room opens up after you complete open season. I'll head back there and claim all the locked up goodies! On a side note, I chuckled to myself seeing Dima memories stuck in your inventory. Those plus the damn Cambridge Polymer Labs junk and a random tissue sample are the bane of my life!
As far as I understand, that gets you stuck on every avenue. However, you can artificially skip the first settlement raid via console, then continue with the raiders' questline to repower Nuka World to get the perks, and then finally kill 'em off for good. No additional evil deeds beyond using the console, if you keep buying from Porter whenever you're there you'll have enough gang gear to outfit whole settlements, worked fine for me.
You have to be joking it's hard as hell to do a raider playthrough in the Nuka World DLC, clearing out the bottling company is near impossible when you have a dead Nukalurk(that the mission marker is pointing at) that refuses to accept it's dead and mark the mission complete.
Vanilla Fallout 4: Its so hard to do an evil playthrough
Nuka World: Its so hard to do a good playthrough.
Nukaworld: hold my Nuka-cola
i wish we weren’t like “forced” to do either one. like yea you can be good in nuka world and evil in the commonwealth, but it’s not like exciting or a whole new experience imo. y’all know what i mean?
zeddisntdead i likes that you were forced, you didn’t choose the raider boss position it was forced upon you same as how many raiders in the commonwealth were kidnapped and forced to join. You learn more of there perspective because in this dlc your not being evil by clearing the park to help raiders just doing what you must to survive.
Simply put Bethesda is a terrible dm
Bethesda: what you don’t want to do this quest the evil way? Then kill all of them and get no quests.
Me: or or start a rebellion quest with the slaves that involves you sneaking or killing your way in a building to deactivate them. Maybe before that you do a quest to stockpile the rebellion with weapons, and when the collars are deactivated you do a quest a night to charge one of or all the gangs.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Swear!!!
-Did he say settlements?
Suddenly Gage removes the disguase:
-Hello General.
WAIT PRESTON I CAN EXPLAIN
Evil Wizard
You were in a simulation General, your no longer General for what you’ve done *scavver*
Sole Survivor: "Well, hello there!"
I just had a seizure trying to read what you sai
Preston catches you slippin
Man, I wish you could betray the raiders by sending them to take a settlement, only to get shredded by the Minutemen waiting in ambush.
I really wish the Minutemen could do more in the Nuka-World DLC
or you could tell Preston. Gather a bunch of minutemen to surround Nuka-World, and put them at seige. Meanwhile the Sturges and the minutemen set up artillery outside and Ronnie organizes a storming party.
@@Gearhead49d well, there is mods lol
Minutemen retake Nukaworld. Pretty sure Oxhorn has a video on it on his channel too, so you don't have to go far to find it
Ya thatd be badass
@@fartsmelly1348 Mods. Minutemen Retake Nuka-World with Liberty Restored for upgraded troops; I had like 50 Minutemen, half of them in power armor, backing me up. It was glorious!
Missing out on all the perks by being good is a very realistic depiction of the real world
Yes, being a good person does sometimes mean you sacrifice a lot. I think it was Jack Sparrow's father who pointed out it's not about living forever, it's about living with yourself forever.
I really appreciate the deep psychology at the bottom of all of the stories in Bethesda games and how our decisions and progress in them is a reflection of us and who we are and what we want, where we want to go, etc. if we are given the options. I appreciate the options to do bad things but it feels more rewarding by preserving life that wants good for other life in general.
Yup, that's what people don't get about Far Harbour too.
The genuinely Good ending is the one where you do not complete the missions (and so forego the loot) in order to avoid slaughtering people.
Instant gratification vs long-term gain. I've never seen the appeal in role playing as a psychopath. I'm glad the option is there for those who enjoy it, but it's not for me.
I started this DLC thinking, "Oooh! I'm going to learn about how raiders are actually deep and complex characters!". Then I step into the Disciples' den and remember thinking, "Uhm, nope, you're all dying now. Right now."
Oh you could give them one park and the rest to the other gangs.
@@gavinl1565 I never gave them shit. lol
Neglected the hell out of the disciples, dident give em a single territory
Kenzie the disciples give a bit too much lip for my liking, I mean where’s dat respect doe?
Kenzie same
Anyone else got annoyed when a settlement was under attack while you were on nuka world?
Dave the Derp yep same as far harbour or ruined it for me I had to go back to commonwealth during far harbour due to settlement attack
Dave the Derp bro a rocket turret should be enough xd
I feel you man. But the funniest thing is when some settlement at Far Harbor is being attacked and you are in the Nuka World. This is some mighty ass bullshit and always pisses the every living crap out of me.
For some reason the only place I get raider attacks is my player home which has four large generators worth of power in turrets for defenses. 😆
YES
thank you for choosing this path... another settlement needs your help
Preston Garvey hi preston, have you seen ronnie later?
Cmon garvey im the general here... you go save it!!
Damn it Preston we need a serious chat about what you consider..."critters" man
Ok
I hate you
I made a playthrough specifically so I could keep the perks that the Operators and the Pack offer, all you have to do is make sure you complete the Nuka World DLC before meeting Preston Garvey. Once Nuka world is finished and you have the perks you want then you help Preston until he gives you the mission to kill the Nuka World raiders. Keep Nuka World and it's perks, then play through the rest of the game as you normally would
Do you loose your friendship with preston tho?
@@leonpoyner3403 So the way it plays out if you go straight to Nuka world without meeting Preston is that when you come back to Concord as the overboss he acts like nothing is wrong.
As soon as he gets to sanctuary though he'll think you're a disgrace and tell you to kill the three faction leaders, once done he goes right back to your old buddy o pal. Plus you keep the perks from the Nuka world factions, so for me that +25% damage with suppressed weapons and the melee perk from the pack.
@@thelazarous Cheers, I wanna do a stealth blade build so the melee will be perfect!
I always fucking hated how it was restricted but if I can get the perks with no repercussions sign me up!
Thanks alot
@@leonpoyner3403 Then you definitely want the disciples and pack perks, melee and stealth perks galore
@@thelazarous I will make sure to brown nose those factions then! Thank you!
Bringing in your faction like the Brotherhood to wipe'em out should be an option!
Well the Brotherhood deal with Ghouls, Super Mutants or Synths. Which is why you were able to call them in to wipe out the synth colony in Far Harbor. They don't typically give 2 shits about raiders enough to go out of their way to plan an invasion. The Minutemen on the other hand....
now now think about it for a moment, nuka world has access to a variety of advanced technological marvels including multiple military machines, that plus nuka world would make a useful base of operations. both seem fairly good reasons for the brotherhood to get involved
John michael What technological marvels? Can you be specific?
DarthMagnus19 project colbalt, the life extending technology, star control, and the nuka world robots
John michael While these weapons are creative I wouldn't call them advanced or even more practical than what the brotherhood already has. I would however call the life extending technology a technological marvel. However something like that is useless to the brotherhood seeing as eternal life means you're just a head. Even if it did work properly, you would be categorized as an abomination that must be eliminated much like a synth. Synths are what you would consider technologically advanced, but the brotherhood would rather destroy them than use them.
Funny thing to try - Go straight to the market after killing Colter and talk to Mackenzie to get the Open Season quest. Then kill off the gangs and go turn on the power before you go talk to Porter in Fizztop.
He'll just stand there and stare at you. He has no dialog options to handle this sequence of events, and won't interact with you at all.
bethesda with the godly writing
Yep I did that, then killed him and threw his body off the side 😂
Hey, at least I can spare Gage... without ever getting attached to him canonically...
Bethesda with their 100 Intelligence strats
he has no dialogue options and fails to even comprehend what has just happened within the 4 hours of the entirety of nuka world being wiped out, and the power being restored
The only problem with being good, in my opinion, is the loss of raider radio.
Well that and the feral chair
raider radio would be so cool if not for the fact he repeats the same 5 things, the concept is amazing
@@addimbantuwe7114 yeah you are so right about the concept. Bethesda really need to focus on it and actually for the next game put a radio like it to where a guy tells stories of the Wasteland and other fun facts about the Wasteland it would be really cool
i’m literally in love with redeye.
I love the final transmission Red-Eye sends before getting the Hell out of Dodge. He’s basically like: THIS IS WHY WE DON’T LET TRIGGER HAPPY BITCHES JOIN THE CLUB!” I’m also glad Red-Eye ran off. Means I didn’t have to kill him.
And the pick me up station
The reward for the good ending is having peace of mind and knowing you did the right thing.
and about 40 or so dlc weapons to arm your settlers with
Good ending doesent have rewards because the truly good are not in it to be rewarded
@@katonnor deep
For me.... it was putting all the raiders in the ground.... with the minute man take over mod.
Oh no , I just have a thing on killing raiders without knowing what they're gonna say , then I'd knew I already finished the DLC
I always like playing a good guy in these kinda games sometimes I consider playing evil but I never follow through.
Highly agree.
Same for me: In the elder scrolls, like Skyrim, I try to do an evil gameplay, for example a dark magician or sadistic vampire. It's a fantasy world, after all...but fallout it's a post apocalyptic land, filled with despair, famine and violence.
In all of the three game of Bethesda (Fallout 3, New Vegas and this) i play always the good guys.
@@ismaele3981 makes sense, always try to add good in a world full of bleak violence
@@ismaele3981 New Vegas isnt made by bethesda
The best way to do this DLC, morally, and gameplay-wise, is this:
1. Do not become General of the Minutemen (at least not until finishing all these steps)
2. Complete the entire Nuka-World DLC on the side of the raiders, with Porter Gage as a companion to acquire his companion perk
3. Complete Shank's Settlement takeover quests until the quest Power Play starts
4. Finish Power Play with the two Raider gangs you want the perks from, they will follow you to the Power Plant during this quest
5. As soon as the two perks are awarded, kill the Raider Gang leaders while they are still on the roof of the Power Plant with you, this will allow you to complete the Open Season quest without having to kill your way through hundreds of Raiders in Nuka-Town USA
6. Go back to the Commonwealth and reclaim the settlements you gave to the Raiders by killing them
7. You are now free to become General of the Minutemen without Preston hating you, allowing you to keep him as a follower AND gain his affinity perk
8. Congratulations! You now have all perk benefits of an evil playthrough, but still keep Preston Garvey as a companion (he won't even comment on it if you complete Open Season before meeting him.)
What if you were to pay through Nuka-World, and then finish open season, but you are already general of the minutemen, but you didn't talk to Preston until after open season, what happens then?
JakeSpacePirate E Preston only hates you if he knows you whilst you are Overboss with at least one owned main game raider settlement (Shank's Commonwealth missions) as long as none are marked as owned in the Commonwealth, Preston will still tolerate any action committed in Nuka-World. Seems his precious settlements are his last straw
It's impossible to become General without securing Tenpines Bluff specifically, as long as you finish Open Season BEFORE securing Tenpines Bluff, you'll be okay. If you secure Tenpines Bluff before Open Season with any raider settlement in the Commonwealth marked as owned, Preston will know about you and your raiders and will give you the Open Season quest himself before asking you to be the General, but I'm not sure if he will still like you doing it this way, It probably should work because he doesn't become a companion until you ARE General, he can't hate, dislike, like or Love any actions if he doesn't have companion status
Im not about to start a new game 😂
connor cloke so I give all the nuka world areas to the operators then?
I hated how the player always seems so happy even thought he watched his wife die and son get taken away
Idk about you but I'd have shut down for at least a few days. And I sure as hell wouldn't be alright.
Just don't?.....
TRISTAN KAHL jun long was moppy and depressing to look at, I didn’t say the main character should be depressed I simply stated my opinion
TRISTAN KAHL the dole survivor should have been angry, he seen his wife get killed and kid taken away as he was trapped and couldn’t do anything. He shouldn’t have be happy and smiling all the time😕
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*sole survivor
I pick pocketed a slave to get their collar off of them, but they caught me and started attacking.
Darth Vader Why do you do this for attention? You cant take their collars off.
Dank Lambsta yeah you can, I did it
Dank Lambsta Dumbass
Joseasdfg No you’re the dumbass
Dank Lambsta Imonly responded like that due to the way you responded to the original comment. You be nice, others will be nice.
Me and Danse wiped the place fucking clean
Why you were so buggy on Fallout 3?
Did Danse even get to kill anything with you around?
Doomguy you're everywhere
RIP AND TEAR UNTIL IT'S DONE.
Danse is a fucking SYNTH.... Ad Victoriam!
Omg, I used the Minutemen Take Nuka-World Mod you suggested... It was epic. I was so pumped and it felt so perfect and amazing. Thank you so much for the suggestion!
Where can I find that
link pleassssssssse
*G I V E. M E. T H E. L I N K*
Oh god not the minutemen , they are annoying , get the atom cats to take nuka world , Zeke would look good in a nuka cola power armor suit lol
I found the Nuka world raider gangs to be repulsive and killed every one of them from the start 😂 I also spent enough time with Cait to know she would have the time of her life helping me take down all the raiders 😎
Even on my fifth play-through I decided to kill Porter Gage as soon as I was done with Colter, didn't even let him finish saying his lines. From then on killing the rest of the raiders was only natural. I simply hate raiders
Same lol 😂😂
I actually like that you don't get the perks for the good ending, I think it makes it more of an "ethical" dilemma. It's easy to do good if there is no cost to it. The idea is to make you think like a raider, hey if I do bad things I get all these benefits. Being good when there really is nothing in it for you seems more realistic somehow. Gage even talks about his becoming a raider because they were the ones that got things & the benefits of being a raider, as well as having everyone scared of you. He mocked the people that chose to take the harder but "good" path, like his parents & work for what they had. Just my take on it though, like a good book good games are open to interpretation. .
Now that I think of it like that, it is an ethical dilemma where they're trying to bribe you almost with the evil ending when they offer several perks.
I agree completely with it being a true test of morality and like that aspect of it, but it is a little sad that my 14 hour run of the place could have been a 30 minute dlc pack if I chose to be the good guy early on.
+Frosthaven yeah they should've extended the good guy ending where it was something like, for example, sabotaging the gangs to prompt them to fight each other or something like that b
That was my thoughts on it but i dont think bethasda played it out right
+avery andronyk you're right, execution was off a bit
I would be really awesome if Bethesda gave you the option to free nuka world with the minute men
Or to call in air strikes from the BOS and this escalates into a ground battle which leads to war between the BOS and Raiders in the Commonwealth.
+lewisner or institute relays in an army of synths
that's not really possible with a dlc that comes months after the main game, they assume most players will have already completed the main story. it would be cool....but hard to set up
I guess so, but I can dream.......
All i wanted was to force raiders at gunpoint to be proper gentlemen.
They would say please and thank you a lot, clean the park and spread flyers about love and friendship across the Commonwealth.
But i guess programming Kill Everyone is easier.
I always looked for the best endings too. I just don't get any gratification from being a bad guy. Some people do, because it's just a game after all and they want to explore that. That's fine, but not for me. When I play a role in a game I take my personality with me. Sounds silly doesn't it. What I find interesting is that the narrative changes based on the moral choices you make in the game. It's not just a shooter, but a story. Bioshock was like that too, and fallout forced the sole survivor to make some very hard decisions. As in life, not everyone is going to be a winner. And in the end you just have to choose what kind of world you want this to be.
Just like Me.
I hear you, matey.
I also can't play as the bad guy. I carry my personality too, and I like to let people live. I'm a good guy, and I like to play fallout as a good guy
Ya mon, always the good guy, always. I feel too much and being the bad guy makes me feel like a D Bag
I feel the same, i spent all that time on the settlements and I feel wrong with the idea that I can have the raiders take them over.
I tried to have a "redemption" ending by wiping out all my raider settlements only to discover you can't because the turrets are unkillable. Why they would allow a simple bug to ruin this whole endgame scenario is beyond me.
The trick is to go to the settlement workshop while the turrets are still attacking, make it yours, close, re-open, and then scrap them.
@@gregtaillon4019 That or just get rid of turrets before you betray the raiders at all.
I would have loved if you could just storm Nuka World with the side you completed the main quest with.
Alexander Krestan Minutemen CHARGE!!!
***** No, wait! Another Setllement needs our help!
I'll mark it on your map for you. In all seriousness, I wish I could get the brotherhood to come in (a little like apocalypse now without killing civies) and storm the place or just use blitzkrieg tactics.
Yeah that also was my dream when I saw that the park is full with raiders. But no, you have to cooperate or kill everyone yourself..
Alexander Krestan which is fun as a sniper but as a lmg power armor character it's disappointing and I have been using this character since I purchased the game and have the entire SPECIAL chart filled out, I kind of felt ripped off by this dlc
I Just Shot Gage When We First Met, And That Started Open Season.
lol i did that to
Same
Open Season sounds enjoyable indeed. I hated seein' Collars on people...wish I could put them on the damn leaders.
Exciting Marcus he was my first victim, then cleared the market, wasted the operaters, capped the pack, and finally silenced the diciples. And after alllll that, I went to fetch myself robot parts. And for some reason....found out I got raider buildables anyway
.....sweet
Real Minutemen general right there!
>Get the institute ending
>Destroyed Acadia
>Side with Mags because she is hot
>enslave all the Commonwealth
Nate Garcia pretty sure it's a call back to fallout 3
>Get the institute ending and then kill shaun and everyone in institute.
>Nuke crazy atom son, Destroy Acadia, and then kill everyone in far harbor.
>Side only with Mags because she is hot, and ofcourse rap.. i mean kill her.
>make open season at diamond city and make sure come back every 2 days to make new open season.
>enslave all the Commonwealth (wait.. can we do that?)
Fixed thanks me later..
Yeah... Mags got my "iron sights up" if you know what I mean.
zero 123 Who is Mags?
Foxy 1525 Leader of the Operators, a raider gang in Nuka World (DLC).
I remember shotgunning the head off the leader of the disciples after taking essentially one look around, I mean dear lord, they were MONSTERS
I killed every gang and leader right from the beginning after I got out of the gauntlet, restore power to nuka, got my Quantum armor and did every little side mission.
Same here boss. Well played.
You can restore power even tho you dont finish the raider ending?
@@Youarekenough You can restore power after you complete Open Season (kill raiders), or after you complete the evil ending, but you can start the open season mission at anytime, so it's easier and faster.
The final fight with the Sole Survivor going full slaughter on the raiders reminds me of the Kingsmen Church scene. If only we could have Freebird playing in the background.
They should have gave you Cito, Eagel, and Oswald as companions. To make the good ending more special. Like you gather them and together you all drive the raiders out! Eagel and his fellow western robots along with the Galaxy bots fight, Cito leading his family along with other animals with possibly tamed gatorclaws, and finally Ozwald with his ghouls help as well. Like you and Nuka World as a whole rise up and drive them out together. Gaining freedom and independents
Sounds like Narnia, all the creatures unite
That would of been awesome, wish the developers at bethesda thought about this. Nuka World was such a letdown in the end.
I really hope someone makes a mod that does that, because that sounds awesome!
Cito should have been a companion either way, I play an evil character but I couldn't bring myself to kill him
Same here, I had him targeted in VATS for 10 seconds but couldn't pull the trigger.
When I did the nukaworld dlc, I opened up all of nuka world for the gangs, until shank wanted to raid my settlements, then did the good ending. I was able to get all the new decorative items from nuka world. But, you have the evil ending quest stuck in your quest log, if you can live with that..
You know, when they tell me to destroy the settlement's I started to kill everybody, I remember thinking: "You're not getting close to my settlement's".
I just straight up killed them right when Gage said to meet the bosses
@David AZ Exactly that's why I didn't want them close to my settlements I don't want preston telling THESE SETTLEMENTS NEEDED HELP
Only problem with the good ending is you waste about 20+ hours of gameplay...
It depends. You still can finish all of the quest until you reach the point where you're told to invade Commonwealth and still be considered "good" (Even Preston won't mind at all if he tags along when you're doing the quests). If you do that, you're only missing out on Raider Outpost system, which is pretty much a settlement system for Raiders that are frustrating anyway (Raiders hate being told to farm), and of course, the perks.
Another way to consider is actually finishing all of the raider quests, get the perks, and then go back to being the good guy. You will still lose Preston Garvey as companion (which I don't mind at all), and you can strike the raider outposts and reclaim them as your settlement.
If you go down this route, make sure to not have any turrets in the raider outpost. It causes bug and won't let you reclaim the settlement.
Side note with the turrets. Any time you are taking over your own settlements it's sensible to store the turrets. They become available to you again as soon as you re-take it (either for settlers or raiders). So make the take over easier and give yourself instant turrets once it's over.
I've never had an issue with the turrets you just do enough damage to destroy them. They shut down but remain in place. once you have done that with all of them you go to the workshop and reacquire the settlement. Then you can repair the turrets and use them as defense again.
James Beem
Seems that it's already fixed then. There was a problem where the turret isn't considered destroyed. It stays at 1 HP and I couldn't do anything to claim the settlement. It got stuck.
I really wish they developed a better "good guys" faction for nuka world. It is a lot of content that doesn't fit for anyone playing a good character, which would be fine to me if there was a raider-faction ending to the main storyline.
The good ending really should be just as rewarding as the bad ending. Otherwise the choice isn't be evil or be good; it's be evil or don't bother getting the DLC.
Yeah, I thought at first that I would find a group of escaped traders and we would take out the raiders together, but that isn't what happened. The hold out traders seem to have perished prior to my arrival.
They really should have made an evil playstyle availible for the rest of the game
@@troodon1096 no it shouldn't, it's not a fairy tale
@@eXTreemator alOt doesn't need to be a happily ever after ending but a good ending should be offered, even the most grimdark worlds offer a light at the end of the tunnel.
On my institute run, I definitely took a few settlements. I banished Preston to Tenpines Bluff and it was smooth sailing after that.
Each raider gang reminds me of something more specific than the generic raider gang.
Disciples- cult
Pack- tribals
Operators- mercs
I just thought this was cool for when it came to selecting which to die and who to support because each gang has there huge differences and in my opinion the last two fit my goal of restoring nuka world well as they demanded the least bloodshed and in time the raiding would dwindle down as it would have for the three families in new Vegas once they settled in and released it didn’t benefit them to do so, rather hindered them.
That’s a neat observation. I personally chose to kill off the pack because I saw a feral ghoul chair and said “nah, I’m not sitting in that”
And basically re-skinned Skyrim factions:
Pack: The companions
The Operators: Thieves Guild
Disciples: Dark Brotherhood
None of those perks were of any use to me, I’m not a sniper, I’m not a melee build, and I don’t use energy weapons. Wiping them out seemed the best choice to me, but now all of the merchants are now mysteriously naked.
ha yeah mine too
You misheard bud, the third perk was mostly DEFENCE against the two damages (ballistic/energy)
They're finally, truly free
Ok. So it wasn't just me. I walk into the market and instantly see everyone in their underwear and think, "Woah! Guys. When I said that you're free I didn't mean this free!"
John Colo
Lmao that's actually pretty funny.
"No, not all of them", she said "only the leaders of the gangs" she said and I've still ended up having a mini World War 4 in the Nuka World with every single raider. Lots of XP tho
The best thing about having all your enemies in one place, is that it’s like shooting fish in a barrel
I was like a kid in a candy store looting all those weapons
I think you inferred too much from Mackenzie's statement. She said that the gangs "would collapse" not submit or become passive. I never understood this to mean that the gangs would become peaceful or submit to my will, I assumed she meant that the gangs would collapse, fall apart without leadership and disperse into the wastes.
Lost Luna That's what I thought too. But it makes no sense with the pack since they are the ones based on the animal kingdom. They follow the strongest. So if you were to absolutely butcher Mason they should be under your control. Mason even draws attention to this if you successfully intimidate him when you first speak to him.
That requires effort, scripting a "Surrender" script into only the Pack's characters rather than using the same programming for every gang with slight differences. Remember: Bethesda doesn't like effort.
They used to love effort, they used to put some real love into their games, but nowadays they put just as much love into it as needed to not totally disappoint you, but not make the hype worth it. So they can go about with their microtransactions (paid mods, that are totally not paid mods)
TO COLLAPSE MEANS THEY WOULD STOP FUNCTIONING oops caps, they would stop working together and tear each other apart. which isnt good
@Sajirou Plays: Remember it's not just Bethesda's call anymore, they also need to bow down to the almighty EA -_- So if the dunderheads at EA say the people working on a game only have x amount of months and budget to do a thing, you can bet alot of content will get scrapped because of EA's profet deadline.
Bethesda is under Zenimax, not EA. It was Bioware and others that were taken over by EA.
Blew off Gage's head the second I came out of the gauntlet, then proceeded to cut loose across nuka town clearing out the gangs, felt good to have those basterds taken down a peg.
elonwhatever cool 😎
M'aiq the Liar you know he could just play it again differently
I would got that rifle free from Mason than pay excessive amount of caps for the same rifle. Putting on a shock collar on a gunner felt so good as well as Preston. Then I lay waste to the raiders.
That's exactly what i did in my first playthough except i kill everyone inculding the traders and make Nuka-World a barren wasteland.
I went Count of Monte Cristo on them. Oh you're going to put me through your gauntlet and enslave anyone who doesn't join you? Okay, have it your way. I joined them, secure their precious Nuka-World, and helped them take over a few settlements without any bloodshed. I will reap every benefit and reward that you can offer me. Then when you have showered me with praise, glory, and wealth. I will take everything away in vengeance of those you have wronged. I equipped my Quantum armor and my Big Boy Nuka-Nuka Launcher and unleashed Hell upon them. Gage was one of the first to die. He was the one responsible for all of this.
I like to think that when my character took over the institute that he had them start using their technology to help the commonwealth
I mean that what they are there for
@@lop90ful1 They "help the commonwealth" in theory.
In reality, you get them working on synthetic gorillas while they wish death upon the surface dwellers and sabotage anyone who becomes a threat to their control.
The worst thing about Nuka World is that you still can't really be evil. Like when those snarky raiders say $hit to you as Overboss you should be allowed to kill them and keep the rest in line through intimidation.
I actually just finished Nuka World... I tell you, that doctor had no idea what she was getting you into telling you to off the raider gang heads (or perhaps she did and was downplaying the situation to help convince you). She tells you to simply off the gang leaders and the rest would fall in line. This is NOT however, the case. No matter what you do you end up having to kill every, single, raider in the entire park.
Honestly, while what they did to the traders made my eye twitch, I'd have been okay with letting them have the park. The problem lies in the raider mentality itself. I was a bit irritated that you couldn't do more to sway Shank and Gage to simply settle in and leave the Commonwealth be. What they have there in the park is a veritable fortress kingdom (with built in electricity even), and is far better than anything they'll find elsewhere. You even have the ability to tell them this, but you however don't have the ability to convince them or in any way really press the issue. Raiders are, alas, much like the song "One Last Score" by Red-Eye paints them to be. They're over-ambitious, callous and uncaring for others, and frankly never satisfied.
I think Colter (your predecessor) realized this too. It's why instead of fulfilling his "promised obligations" to Gage he instead settled in and began building more venues for entertaining (placating) his fellows. And we see how well that went for him.
An old post but asking the raiders to just stay is impossible. They have no social infrastructure to maintain a society without attacking others. Staying in one location would, as it did before you came along, cause the raiders to eat each other alive.
What if you could side with Bradberton? After completing Sierra’s quest and meeting Bradberton, you could tell him about the raiders in his park. You would then work with him to reprogram the robots around the park to drive the raiders out of the park. Mr. House style.
You don't loose the settlements, it just replaces the settlers with the chosen raider faction. You only lose the settlement if you force the settlers to supply money instead of taking the settlement over.
Yeah, that was the only thing I didn't like. I love being a raider but even though I had 5 settlements with 50+ food each supplying the raiders, they were still fkin hungry. I'm gonna finish the story again and just build the 1 or 2 raider settlements required. The tribute chest isn't worth it for me.
if you have the automatron dlc, you can get around this! Create a robot and never ask it to come with you. It's home will be wherever you created it as long as you don't make it a companion - which means it can farm food and man the stands for your raiders!
Frosthaven Nice! Thanks, man. I made a robot in one of my raider settlements just to wander around and look scary. It didn't occur to me that I could of made him farm.
+Frosthaven I did that do many of my settlements. I like having Robots more then Settlers.
+Frosthaven good one dude. I had my raiders farming Lol now I can make them happier
Damn I thought that they were good in a bad way or have some sort of redemption but turns out they are all just the same. Now excuse me, I've got to go.
*Enters Power Armor and takes the minigun out* Remember - No Raider
I renamed my shotgun with explosive effect and named it Justice and wreck havoc on those bitches
If I burn everyone in nuke world , can I still get the unique items in Nuka world ???
@@civilizedhuman7875 yeah actually. The power armor, lots nice guns and some recipes
@@MrPsych77 remember No raider “gets the minutemen takes over nuka world mod “
nice CoD reference
After reading some of the comments here, I felt that I need to give my two seconds here:
I was really disappointed with the DLC. In fact, now I know how people who wanted to play as evil on the vanilla game felt. It never bored me before because I always play as a good character and make no sense play as an evil character. Therefore, to me, join the raiders to destroy all you have built during the regular game is something unacceptable...
The thing is: Although I love the game, history wise it is quite weak. Sometime it forces you to make moral choices that you could avoid with some really simple solution... But this is another discussion...
Nuka World SHOULD have a 'good path' and I can thing on lots of ways that it could have been done:
1 - You could have options to free the slavers from the collars and make them revolt;
2 - You could be able to bring the Minuteman to retake and free the park.
3 - We could also still have the 'Open Season' quest to kill the leaders, but this should not necessarily make everything try to kill you.
4 - Some of the NPC should be able to convince to switch sides on conversations, even more Gage
So much more ideas and options could be have done with it...
BUT if making The Sole Survivor became evil IS part of the canon (We never know, maybe Bethesda wants to make him a villain on FO5?) it should have been done with a decent backstory;
Like, have some settlement to be attacked by, I don't know, Gunners? and make them kill someone important... Maybe Piper or Preston and then, start a realization that the Minutemen aren't strong enough to keep the commonwealth together. That being a Overlord and control raiders would make him/her stronger to control and defend the commonwealth and make raiders attack other regions for resources and so on.
But no... the game simply throw you the options and you should accept it without any motive. Without any Epiphany.
The closest ever the game get to give us any line to justify the change is when Gage says: "You know, I've heard about you. In charge of the Minutemen, ain't ya? No idea why you'd waste your time with those has-beens."
There is also this: controlling raiders is not an easy path. The game system to manage the rider settlement proves that; They live by praying on the working settlements and they never have enough food to all...
Everybody seems to see the Minuteman as an weak faction. But to tell the truth, they felt at first place just when they started to fight between each other after loosing the Castle. And eventually, the last ones were betrayed by Clint.
But with the right direction, the militia can become a force to be respected. They need training and gear: Preston and the Lone Wanderer could start the first and the second? There is plenty across the commonwealth! Every enemy dead is a new gear for a possible Minutemen!
OK, Finally I decide to start the Nuka World. I just passed the gauntlet and started some smaller quests around. Since is a big issue in the beginning, we TOTALLY could have a 'good quest' to put the gangs to kill each other! That would make MUCH more sense to the 'Open Season' line. Play each gang against the other and then kill the leaders! It's so obvious! The plot exists already! The other Overboss was already doing it when you got the position.
During the war between the gangs would would be easier to take the other bosses and eventually would be easier to convince the slavers to pick up the arms and fight for their home. Also, we could even have a optional quest to use the Minutemen to attack from outside.
So, the quest would be:
"Open Seson"
- Do some quests to make the gangs start a internal fight.
- Convince the slaves to fight for their home
- Find a way to disarm the collars
- Stash weapons for the slaves (much like the Synth quest)
- Contact the minutemen to attack and make a distraction from outside.
Also be able to put Gage on the right path after showing him how to do it.
And BOOM! You have a awesome good and reasonable way to take back the Nuka World.
They totally should keep the evil path as it is (Plus some more meaningful dialog and situations to provoke the Lone Wanderer to change sides).
Alexandre Xavier I agree
Alexandre Xavier you just made a better Nuka World DLC then Bethesda, I feel like they are being lazy with the dlcs.
Alexandre Xavier yeah like here's an idea on how to introduce it they take diamond city and the minutemen or whoever you chose are weakened the institute in my case the point of it is is that you go to diamond city to see piper for her birthday when you get attacked by all three gangs then the minutemen come and gunners but they are overrun it's your job to go to nukes world kill all the raiders or join them and either take diamond city or leave it
Alexandre Xavier yeah same i wish you could make nuka world into prewar nuka world a nice happy place
A DLC that had great concept but screwed itself when performed
Gamer Cat No not really, it pressured the player into making a hard choice which is not often seen in vanilla fallout and also had great gameplay along the way
Agreed
Nuka World feels like the true morality test, to see how hard you'll work to get the good ending, or if you'll buckle under the pressure to become evil
I play a good general character like you. I wanna play the good guy, the hero. MY big issue with fallout is the dimmed down RPG aspect of the game. From the second you step out of that cryo pod you are the good guy with just about everything you do. The most you can do in an evil run is join the Institute, or even the BoS. But I believe those options are morally ambiguous at most. Nuka World was a real punch to the gut for me. Yes it does give you a fantastic option to go evil, but you miss out on most of the entire 25$ DLC. The problem with it isn't that they were filling in the evil option. It's the allusion of the choice to be evil. The fantastic thing about the predecessors to Fallout 4 was the complete option to be Good, Evil, or any ground in between. Take megaton for example. I could keep it and Miss Moira. Or I could nuke it to hell. Take The Pitt DLC. You could lead a slave rebellion (Which i felt would have been a nice touch to NukaWorld) Or work for the big bad boss. The thing is is that no matter what morality you went with it was always an extremely fun, fleshed out story. Not this "Be only good or bad and if you pick the opposite fuck you" type of deal. Both the DLC and the RPG aspects were some of the most memorable parts of the previous games for me, and I feel let down that Bethesda seems to have given up on themselves in that regard. Fallout 4 is a very, very fun game with much to offer. But I feel with a little more thought it could have been so, so much more. And if you got this far I thank you for reading my paragraph. I give you the cookie.
Yeah. The main game you have to be good or you get boned, and in Nuka World you have to be evil or you get boned. It's not a solution that makes anyone happy.
Read the next 10 words my friend.
+ Zachary S ... Provided you and/or your friends aren't Synths. Or Ghouls. Or Supermutants. Or don't have anything that the BOS wants for themselves. Then, yeah, the BOS are lovely people.
Simply scare the damn settlers and don't kill them morons. Oh and BoS simply is misguided and if put on the right path can do some good, hell they took the instute(in my playthrough) and in Fo3 the BoH terminated a greater threat called the Enclave sooo.
+James Bond Oh, nice. Do you want to follow up with some nasty statements about my parents, maybe? Leave the name-calling at home, little boy.
I'm pretty sure that with Mag's slave collar missions, you can talk to the target, ask them to follow you and collar them discretely so that the town they're in doesn't turn hostile.
Discreet = careful, with consideration of observers. Discrete = defined, finite, separate.
If you fail the check, tho, do you lose the chance to collar them?
I waited until I got the Gatling laser that has unlimited ammo in the gauntlet and then immediately went on a raider killing spree, that was fun
Good thinking, I think I will do that
How do you get it?
“All of the raider gangs are constantly giving you radiant quests.” Ok! Choice made!
So is Preston and his lame ass
I wanna say theres a mod that turns the raider perks into magazines that you can get
Even though I'm 9 months late; May I ask which mod that is? I'm currently on a moddingspree to make my Fallout 4 'immersive' and a lot more enjoyable.
Cheat Terminal can give Companion perks...
@Cass Rogowicz Does freeing the slaves provide an inflow of caps to the sole survivor? Or are they just there from then on? (Also, like my comment so I can see if you or anyone else replied pls)
This is kinda late, but you can get those raider ending perks by completing it normally then killing the raiders afterwards. As for the worry about destroying your settlements, just transfer most of the settlers away to different settlements before giving a settlement to the raiders- then take the settlement back after you kill the bosses. Also, you can lead people out of town for the raider radiant quests before collaring or killing them- this prevents the city from going hostile.
Erebos Tenebris what about Preston will he be happy onc you do that
Meow4Panthers Preston still mad tho
Don't do what this video suggests. When the lass asks you to accept the quest, tell her no.
Do all the taking of settlements and whatever to get the Ace Op etc perks and then go and see Preston. As long as you haven't started the minuteman questline (avoid Concord) until 'after' Nuka World, Preston will give you the same quest and this then corrects everything and gets you back on track with a happy Preston and all the settlements can be retaken.
A couple of things wrong in the vid but the most important are the timing and the quest giver.
GOOD IDEA!
You can complete the quests that were given to you from the raider leaders without turning the whole city against you!
You can go and talk to the quest target to follow you somewhere hidden. Then Boom.
Oxhorn, I`m sorry if my english was incorrect somewhere. :)
Your English is fine
Tnx. :)
or just run out of the city get to a safe place they will olny fallow you so far sleep a day or two you can come back
Rly? And they are not hostile?
I immediately open fired on the one eyed guy as soon as he opened the door. It was quite the gun fight, but I killed them all
I kind of wish you could meet Sgt Lanear when clearing the bottling plant, and with the Gunners you clear up the park, you then are able to befriend the Gunners, and turn Nuka World into more of a Merc military base getting the radio up and running, getting Colnel Cyprus out to Nuka World
I don't think the BoS is evil, necessarily, just...misled. Maybe with noble intentions, but bad methods.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions
They aren't evil, but they're far from good. They're just selfish and self-serving. End of the day the really do think they are doing what is best for the world, but they're also extremely racist only tolerating Synths and Ghouls if they can get something beneficial out of them. Also all the technology they hoard, they never even attempt to use it for good. They just claim it's all bad and thus should be used by no-one, even themselves. None of this is inherently evil. Just...kind of assholish.
Bos nazis in power armor ran by Napoleon adolf maxon hitler
Ehh, Oxhorn has a video giving a few good reasons why the Brotherhood are the closest thing to the Nazis in the wastes. Even the doctor's terminal has an entry that is verbatim the exact analysis of the perfect Aryan, just with Maxon being the subject and Aryan being replaced with "human".
@@smward87 So, chaotic good
Worth mentioning you can automatically start ‘open season’ just by killing any of the main bosses
Yes I did that and laughed
Raiders ruin everything!.... I wish there was option to make these raiders do hat you say and even if thats to make them good guys
They should of had a mission where they full frontal assault you and you kill so many they eventually surrender to you
I love how gage really trust's you and doesnt believe you will turn on him like his last leader but if you chose the good ending you do....
I wish they included a quest branch that makes you convince the raiders the commonwealth is off limits.
The raiders taking over Nuka-World already makes it the largest sole settlement that we have seen in the Fallout universe.
Yes, keep the enslaving, etc., but leave the commonwealth alone. The raider gang you chose to only give one part of Nuka-World to would then break ranks and start raiding the commonwealth, resulting in the same reactions from companions as if you did start raiding the commonwealth (because it would be your fault for not keeping them under control).
That way, there would be a middle ground.
The best ending to Nuka-World is not doing anything for the raiders, and just starting open season. You get miscellaneous quests to clear the Nuka-World outposts (allowing you to keep any denizens there if you so desire), and then a miscellaneous quest to restart the power plant. It completely removes the raiders from Nuka-World, bar random encounters which reduces them to just normal bandit tribes.
However, this ending will lock out basically all rewards from the raiders, but you get to leave Nuka-World with your head held high, so that's something
Why couldn't there be an ending in which you can rehabilitate the raider factions and make them your own private army that *doesn't* take from others and goes around wiping out the other raiders, Gunners and Super Mutants factions in the Common Wealth? Why couldn't I *USE A FUCKING EMPTY SETTLEMENT FOR THEIR RAIDER BASE*!? Fallout 4 is fun but Nuka World highlighted it's biggest glaring problem, it's all wasted potential...
Tearonex you can actually establish outposts on empty settlements. However, you'd still need vassal settlements which you can bribe to supply your outposts (instead of just killing them). And they do roam the wasteland killing ghouls, raiders, rust devils etc which indirectly helps keeping the commonwealth safe. And they won't harm your settlements as you do have control over that decision
One simple mod man. 'Skip Raiding Settlements'. It should have been an option to begin with, considering Bethesda new most people would probably have built up settlements, and everyone was disgruntled at the fact you had to raid what is basically your own territory and not new places. With that mod you just tell Shank you don't want to (they *just* got Nuka World ffs), and move on with Power Play. Boom, private army in the West, main territory in the East.
If it were possible to "rehabilitate" raider gangs, don't you think someone would have done so at some point in the past 210 years?
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There is a rehabilitated gang in New Vegas - The Great Khans. They don't go around raiding settlements anymore, like original Khans and New Khans used to, they just produce chems and sell them. The problem with others is that they aren't organized enough to talk to, and it takes a strong hand to control them. You could be the new Caesar who took over various gangs, put them under your control by any means, including painful death, and established his own empire. But I guess Fallout 4 is just too shallow for a plot like that.
Oleg Lecinsky the Khans are still raiders. The NCR just killed so many of them at the massacre that they are no longer an ample fighting force.
oh thank god. stopped playing fallout for a while just came back and since I bought the season pass I have all the DLCs. I've been avoiding info for spoilers, but I just got to Nukaworld and thought "Am I screwed?" Thank you Oxhorn I'm happy to know I can sorta play this dlc.
Playing through Nuka World for the first time, thank you for the informative video! I have to agree... one of my favorite parts about Fallout 4 is building the settlements for the Minutemen and taking care of my settlers. Bummed that I have to do Open Season, I like the gangs & Gage but I cannot cause such havoc on the Commonwealth and piss off Preston and my settlers :/
this dlc makes no sense story wise
Brian ok and?
The base game story never made sense to begin with. So who cares.
waluigiween The main games story makes tons of sense.
Yeah, since the only evil factions wouldn't work with a bunch of raiders so it doesn't make any sense.
+Brian
It explains why people in Goodneighbor were so afraid of the institute kidnapping people...it's just that it was the raiders instead of the institute
Settlements are an option for the Underground Railroad. I made them a outpost for symths that they rescued to relocate a mid-way outpost.
if you want the best of both worlds, give the 3 settlements to the gang that turns on you. After they turn and you wipe them out, the settlement goes unowned and you can reclaim it.
You just end up losing Preston as a follower.
honestly is that really that bad? Preston is annoying just being at sanctuary as is.
Before the expansions came out, Preston stopped being a follower after I reclaimed the Castle. Now he's in Sanctuary Hills, as you put it, and he won't join me, despite it being almost a year since the game came out, lol.
Thank you bud, I needed that. I wasn't feeling good about deserting the Minutemen
You can get the two perks from the raider gangs of your choice and then go and talk to McKenzie to start open season so you can be the good guy.
Getting full genocidal against raiders and supermutants is actually thrilling. And it's also profitable in this case since the traders have respawning caps. I think I've gotten 50-60k just selling the gear from the dead raiders. I had gotten all the goodies from Porter Gage and Cola Cars arena beforehand. Also you can do those radiant quests without any violence or even antagonizing important factions, just lure the target out of the settlements with an easy speak check and collar them there; also avoid those quests targeting Minutemen or BoS, just save before you get them and then if you get such a quest load until you get one targeting gunners or raiders.
Why aren’t their collars off when they’re free
For FASHION of course? Seriously, it makes for a good choker.
Moobles You know a girls a freak when she wears chockers
Uni Frenchie Stockholm Syndrome
Mine took off their collars and became nudists. It was weird
@@als3022 OMG mine too!
I'm not happy with the way Bethesda handled Nuka World and how counter-productive it is to the rest of the game.
If they at least let you do the Raider quests, and then turn against them to restore things, that wouldn't be so bad.
Hopefully some modders will fix things and make it better.
Yeah their solution to the problem of being railroaded into good decisions was to railroad you into evil decisions.
You actually can... I completed the dlc with the raider quests, then did open season. Only issue is you do of course lose three settlements
Mjax Majoran™ You also lose Preston Garvey.
Not true. Just keep him away from you.
Bethesda should really consider hiring some actual competent writers, Fallout4 and the dull as dishwasher dlc bored me to tears, haven't played it for months and see zero reason to go back .I'll wait and see what Prey is like , Avellone from Obsidian should do better aye .
I wished you could take the brotherhood and prime to have an all out war
That would’ve been a blast! Reprogram Prime to see the raiders as commies and watch him storm the place.
Far harbor DLC is way better than the nuke world
Martial Chen I have to disagree because you can get free armor (X0 suit) and other weapons that are really cool
Brandon Diaz agreed
No way
I Personally Like Nuka World Way More
I didn't like the choices in Far Harbor, either. But I loved the atmosphere the story had. The Nucleus, the synth hiding spot. On the other hand the park theme of NW is quite nice and the gameplay is like 300% more fun. Clearing Kiddie Kingdom was really exciting, for example. Far Harbor exploration on the other side bored me more than anything.
It's when "home sweet home" I realized Gage is greater evil than Colter, by Gage's own word, Colter's mistake was only not too greedy, Colter was insane but the damage was limited. While Gage has his more rational plan to enslave the whole Commonwealth.
I love Gage, lol. I've never completed NW for the sole purpose of keeping him as my fave companion. The only other companions I like are Nick and Hancock but once I have their perk, I go get Gage back to travel with. It's just me, Dogmeat and Gage, forever 🖤
I instantly killed Shank starting "Open Season" and then killed all the Raiders. Totally worth it and easily the most RPG points in entire games with choices that actually effect the world that are disappointingly absent from the game and even the loss of the benefits makes your actions count.
You mentioned one of the drawbacks to choosing a good ending is that you lose all the settlement pieces that get unlocked after you start doing these quests for the raiders to take over Commonwealth settlements. Ive found that NOT to be the case. All new NukaWorld DLC settlement objects will unlock as you clear out the areas of the park and assign raider gangs to them. All the park ares can be cleared with absolutely no negative affects on your current status with the Minutemen and Preston. The negative effects only begin after you leave NukaWorld to enslave other settlements, which means you can complete the entire DLC and unlock all relevant special items and perks and quests before completing Open Season.
There is an entire tab called "raider" that has raider-specific settlement objects, like flags, tribute chests, and chem dispensers, that you miss out on by not doing the evil ending.
But can you still get everything else fullyawakened mentioned, yes?
Oxhorn Thanks oxhorn for the clarification. I progressed slightly further by accepting Gage's request to spread out into the commonwealth and subjugate settlements and it did indeed open up even more settlement objects. However, I now found that the thing that actually causes Preston Garvey to see and leave is the instant you place a raider flag in one of your settlements. As long as you do not place a raider flag in an already established settlement you should be able to keep Preston as a companion and use the newly unlocked tab of raider items. I have not tested to see if you can claim a new settlement as a raider settlement without pissing off preston.
Actually, good sir, I have noticed that while you need to start the quests to take back Nuka-world for the raiders to then open up the quests for taking Nuka-world back for the slaves, you don't actually need to claim a single spot in Nukaworld to open up the good ending. Hell, I just explored Nukaworld, decided I didn't feel like working with the Raiders, and just started bushwhacking the Disciples. Then, open season! It starts automatically should you just attack the leaders of the various gangs.
Also, I made a point of killing Dixie first. Sneak attack with the gauss rifle, shooting her down like the rabid dog she was. It seemed fitting to deny the wretched thing the epic fight she always wanted, and blow her head off from an ambush. Why give her what she always desired before killing her? She was the one that finally just...made my decision for me.
i can condense this video into this single post, play along with the raiders until you've gotten all of the side parks under control and unlocked their things, then kill the raiders, you have access to the full park and it's contents along with weapons and materials and you don't have to destroy everything you've been building
I did the good ending on my main. Couldn't bring myself to attack the commonwealth. I plan to do an evil run (technically started it, but haven't leveled enough to get to nuka world) and I'm eager to try out some of the evil gameplay
Shank is the Anti Garvey. 😏
@Detlaff von Drac nega Garvey. Lol
My biggest complaint with Nuka World is that the good guy ending is so damn straightforward. You show up, see that everything in the place is terrible, then go on a rampage to clean the place up. There's no nuance to it. Compare it to The Pitt DLC for Fallout 3, where you have to complete several quests (i.e. cooperate with the villains) before you can choose to wipe out the slavers and free the slaves of the Pitt.
On my first run, I chose to work with the raiders, despite being a good character, because I saw the potential to betray the gangs in clever ways. Killer robots? Radioactive water sprayers? Gatorclaw cloning machines? These were all environmental dangers that you had to deactivate before you gave the respective territories to the gangs. I figured that I could hand the territories over to the gangs, then manufacture a bloodbath to help thin the herds. Alas, I went in to clear things out, only to find that I had essentially wasted my time. So, I cleansed the park like you're supposed to if you're not going to play ball. Oh, well.
This is more like the good ending and why you shouldn't
Not... really. He explained some decent reasons as to why you should be a good guy.
Some decent reasons is the best you could say, when being a raider on the side will make you damn near infinite caps, new, fun, radiant quests and a faction that isn't a piece of shit like the minutemen. At any point during the main game did you feel like a general? Didn't think so. This is a game, I really don't get why people cage themselves with this DLC wanting their fictional character to be good in a DLC that finally allows you to be evil. "Evil," because no person in the game will change the way they act towards you; I didn't talk to Preston during the DLC, and he's still as bland and shitty as always. You can peacefully take settlements for your Raider groups. I don't get people roleplaying and trying to make a "good" ending out of this DLC. It may be "good" but it isn't good or a good idea, and makes the game less interesting.
Shenanigans KY There's a thing called "roleplaying" and its the reason why several people decided to do the good route -.-
I don't see how that's "caging" yourself, unless you view any roleplaying as caging yourself.
Also the radiant quests are as fun as any other radiant quest.
Shenanigans KY First, to become the overboss without killing people is a thing no-one does and requires you to cage yourself hundreds more than just bloody killing the bad guys
And second, "Good" does not necessarily mean "not killing people." and anyone past primary school would know that. Sometimes, especially when it comes to digusting people like most if not all of the raiders in the game, killing is for the greater good even more when it comes to preventing undue suffering and bloodshed.
The reason why this route is morally superior was explained much better than I ever could, but I'll summarize it for you.
The pack organise gladiator fights between animals and slaves and feed slaves to their bear whose name has escaped me.
The disciples... well... they're the bloody disciples. Many lines of dialogue by them and other raiders allude to them practicing torture on slaves. The disciple's boss makes a habit out of murdering innocent wastelanders.
The operators test a mind control drug on slaves, which they do through, obviously, torture. And then they kill them because their science skills aren't worth the scrap metal they call "armour"
And if your idea of fun is turning an entire town irreversibly hostile then... good for you, I guess?
Scott The Dick It wasn't irreversibly hostile. Everything you see on youtube isn't correct. Killing for a greater good is evil, and how the Nazis did what they did, and how genocides in general are started. "morally superior" - this is a video game. You don't kill that many humans at all in becoming Overboss- Colter, and then the gang that tries to kill you when you go to turn on the power plant, that's it. I killed the pack, and don't care about the cannibalism the Disciples practice. It's a game. "Disciples boss" you meant Dixie, not the leader. Operators tested on members of other gangs too- found it didn't work- but found it worked on a trader, which is the lore behind why the grenades work how they do-only in towns.You say the Operator's armor isn't worth scrap metal, when it's 95% leather, and actually looks good. Again, Goodneighbor returned to peaceful, so it really sounds like you haven't played the DLC and are trying to troll, have fun being morally superior in a single player game, I bet all your friends and both your parents are proud of you.
This is the video i needed, thanks. With a level 220 character and fully built up settlements, my character is not going to turn evil, period. You did a great job of detailing the Pro's and Con's of becoming a Raider. What i will do is create a new character with Raider leanings in mind and head over to Nuka World as soon as its mature enough. Just need to think up a good Raider name now, like Ray Jay or Soul Crusher. Subscribed.
Thanks, glad I could help!
Meanwhile as someone who doesn't really use a settlement system, except for my main one in Sanctuary, I can happily turn over a few settlements I haven't ever visited to the raiders.
The only bad thing would be the Minutemen turning against their General, but whatever, I still have a huge grudge against Preston Garvey going m.i.a. after taking the Castle with so many of my favorite weapons I can happily let him mark down settlements in heaven.
You could always go through, do most of the main quests of Nuka World, then turn against the raiders after getting all the perks and armor.
20:17 Legendary Raider Veteren
In relation to nuka world, the perks and settlement items act as a guilty temptation, offered to sway people from the more moral option. I like that I have to sacrifice in order to remain true to my character's values.
Additionally, people complaining about Nuka World being deserted following Open season are overdoing it, even when the zones are occupied there are no more than 10 raiders wandering around a loot chest. That's really not what I'd consider populated.
Nuka World is a cool DLC if you aren't into roleplaying as none of the factions you ally with would ever side with them. No matter how cruel you are, the closest to being a ruthless killer you'd get would be with the Institute or Brotherhood of Steel. But they still believe in Order, they would never ally with Raiders.
It would've been cool if Raiders were an option from the get-go, instead of going Minuteman, you could maybe just wreak havoc on the Wasteland?
12:00 "there's no good raider faction" who would of fuckin thought
Porter gage is stuck on fizztop mountain because I never talked to him the first time before open season. He won't say anything, or move, but I appreciate his loyalty.
I decided to have my cake and eat it too.
I completed the Raider storyline, then killed them all.
Also, while I found building/defending settlements annoying, I always made sure not to attack any of the ones under my control.
The institute option is not evil since you become the leader and you can change things.
14:11 The only thing missing from that final broadcast was Redeye yelling at the end "I WANT MY MOMMYYYYYYYYyyyyyyyy!!!! *Sounds of fading footsteps as Redeye runs away screaming into the night*"
spikebaron lol
I was highly disappointed by the nuka world dlc. I adored far harbor and getting nuka world was just a kick in the nuts.
Glad I watched this as I didn't realise the power control room opens up after you complete open season. I'll head back there and claim all the locked up goodies! On a side note, I chuckled to myself seeing Dima memories stuck in your inventory. Those plus the damn Cambridge Polymer Labs junk and a random tissue sample are the bane of my life!
What if you kill the bosses with console commands?
As far as I understand, that gets you stuck on every avenue. However, you can artificially skip the first settlement raid via console, then continue with the raiders' questline to repower Nuka World to get the perks, and then finally kill 'em off for good. No additional evil deeds beyond using the console, if you keep buying from Porter whenever you're there you'll have enough gang gear to outfit whole settlements, worked fine for me.
what would be the fun in that ? GIVE COMMIES LEAD !!!!!!!!!!
In theory you could probably just use commands to add the perks
You have to be joking it's hard as hell to do a raider playthrough in the Nuka World DLC, clearing out the bottling company is near impossible when you have a dead Nukalurk(that the mission marker is pointing at) that refuses to accept it's dead and mark the mission complete.
Rehabilitate, seriously you thought you could rehabilitate them.......are you new to fallout??? or RL?