I've noticed similar situations on other brands as well. Some consumers are not very thorough when shopping online and end up paying hundreds more. Thanks for pointing this out, it's very helpful!
I purchased a left handed Sawtooth ST M24 and I love it. However, Max is spot on about the varied pricing. I bought mine for $159 with all the accessories, gig bag, tuner, tiny amp etc etc. The guitar itself was going for $249 at the time. At $159 I expected junk to be honest but it has become one of my favorite guitars.
I bought my left handed yellow cream guitar with all the accessories for 70 bucks at a discount surplus store as no one wanted to buy it and it was picking up dust, amp at that price isn't the best but it did work fine case, stand, and tuner work awesome though and I'm glad i bought it
I just did this purchase...this exact guitar thru the app. I had problems getting signed into the app, but an email to them and Kevin got that fixed for me. $400 delivered came with a cable and allen wrenches. Was double box shipped and took about a week to arrive. I can attest to that it is a professional quality guitar. It weighs 7.7 lbs, bridge pickup 15.3 k, neck pickup 8.6 k. The pots are very stiff, a drop of wd-40 down the pot shaft fixed that. It was almost in tune and the action was a little high with the neck pickup a little low, neck needed no adjustment. Easy set-up to my liking, but honestly could have been played right out of the box. Hope this helps any considering purchasing one. Thanks Max. =)
I'm probably one of the very few, if not the only, mid-70's person that may remember this...It was a movie or TV show where grabbing both handfuls of hair, yanking, while screaming..."I'm So Confused!!!!!" is the only part I remember. I think it fits. (If that's the "best" part, as in the only part I remember??? I think that pretty well covers how "memorable" / or not that show / movie is.) Great Job, as always, Max. Please keep these great videos coming!!!
i know right, id way rather have something like an ibanez axion, those have fishman actives, gotoh locking tuners, really cool finishes etc and they are under $1000. idk whos paying that sum for a brand that ive never even heard of before this video
@@Glamosapien Actually I don't know why it wouldn't, I'm not paying the same price for a brand I've never heard of when compared to an LTD or Ibanez, or at a brand that's supposed to be considered a "budget friendly" brand.
@@Glamosapien I get having different model lines but these guitars are the same lines as when they started from what I understand just more expensive now. Like they sucked everyone in with the less expensive price then when everyone took notice now they're more expensive.
Great video. I'm sure as a musician, TH-cam, teacher, guitar reviewer etc., it may be tough at times to love an instrument but need to slam the truth to the company. Keep doing what you're doing! We listen and appreciate it!
Yeah, Max. I just went through a related situation last night with guitar stands. I'm still trying to figure out how I could have handled it better. Thanks for your insight here. It helped in the sense of specifics to watch and why.
This is how i shop for guitars as well! Anyway, since the inception of the internet and Korean made guitars. I remember buying a shecter C1 classic circa 2010. It litterally was dirt cheap and the only cheap thing about it was the price. Oh boy i wish those kind of deals were around in the 90s when i was learning to play and had little disposable money.
Went on their website a few weeks ago because I remember your video pointing out that the base model with a real Floyd Rose was $449 which is an awesome deal. When I saw that the price had nearly doubled I laughed. That neck/fretboard and headstock scream "$200 guitar" and the pickups are budget quality. For $750 you're talking about pretty much getting an actual Charvel, Schecter or nicer ESP LTD. Their $949 option is really a joke in my opinion.
You're spot on bro , i'll by a nice Schecter if i'm gonna spend that kind of money. At least i know i'll be getting a quality guitar , i've had 4 and currently own 2 now..
This! These guitars eare basically generic Charvel San Dimas copies, with cheapo pickups, when the actual Charvel Pro Mod Series, cost more or less the same price and have genuine Duncans. Sure, they may have a german Floyd, but the Korean 1000 Series OFR on the Charvels is just as good.
@@greekfreak1980 Absolutely. Nobody ever has an issue with the Korean Floyds. Sawtooth would be smart to overhaul that headstock shape, go with Korean 1000 Floyds and lower the price to $399. That would be a perfect spot for the Sawtooth brand to live.
@@enthused7591 Hate to be "that guy", but I own a ton of different Floyd Rose models, and the OFR is much better than the FR1000. It stays in tune better, it feels more articulate, you can feel the bridge resonate when you bend, and the bar doesnt move as much as a FR1000. This makes sense as to why Batio insisted on using this part in his guitars. Personally, I'd rather have a Gotoh FR over a FR1000 (Schecter used these on their "Schecter branded FRs".) They even come with a brass bar preinstalled. You do you of course, but if I ever get the option, Im sticking with an OFR.
thanks for the heads up on the pricing, in case i do happen to get a sawtooth. it's good to be aware of with these diff listings. (originally thought this was a review, but it was still great info, thanks!)
I purchased the model you have hanging. They sent me the Americana version. It was 450$ ordered off reverb. I believe it was one of the first demos, because the serial number is hand printed. I love the guitar, and might paint the body eventually.
My take on this, is that maybe they expect more traffic and sales on Amazon, rather than their own website. But its still a pretty considerable difference between the prices on the listings. Great Video, Max!
I was thinking that too especially if it were the same price or slightly lower then they could excuse the extra fees for higher sale numbers but this is just weird lol.
CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, BUT.. IS’NT THE PRICE BEING JACKED UP ( BECOMING EVEN MORE XPENSIVE ) BECAUSE OF THEIR SPOKESPERSON/SPONSORED MUSICIANZZ 1 Micheal Batio 🤔 🤨?
Great video! I've got several of their better guitars since MAB went over to them. I think most of these price variations revolves around the 20% discount on the app and its overall impact. If you recall, when they first launched the app, they were going to charge $5 a month for it, because of the discount, and then almost immediately scrapped the charge and made it free. Maybe this 20% discount has had an impact on their bottom line greater than they were expecting. Or, maybe this was all an introductory push to get their exposure up. Either way, they have increased the price of the equipment, so that once the 20% is applied, they are still getting what they wanted originally. Unfortunately, because of shipping container pricing and inflation, now you have the new increased pricing structure. But honestly, that doesn't explain everything. Depending where you look, Reverb, Walmart, Amazon, Ebay, GoDPS, the prices are all over the place. So like MAB always says, they do things differently from any other company. Maybe there is a strategy in there, we just don't see it. Anyway, another great video!
You can find this with some other brands too. They sell on Amazon, eBay, and their own website. You’d think their website would be the least expensive but it’s not always. You have to check around or you might end up paying a lot more. Another TH-camr found this out buying a budget Strat on Amazon for about double the price on the company’s website.
I have bought a few of the ES kits in different colors and I could not be happier . For entry level guitars , I think these are very good . I also have an ES Hybrid that is really great . Two of my ES’s have also been autographed by Michael Angelo Batio during promotions for Sawtooth guitars and he has a major input in design as well . Great customer service to boot .
To make matters more confusing, official outlets on eBay also have different prices, plus they often push discounts to viewers. To further muddy the waters, models also sometimes get refreshed/upgraded without changing the model number or mentioning it in the description. That can be a real kicker either way. Glad you mentioned the app. It isn't just Sawtooth that does this.
It's absolutely bonkers! Who knows what craziness lurks in the hearts of guitar manufacturers. Great video thanks for all the info max. I'm going to go check out there website. Toodle Lou brother!
I own several Sawtooth guitars and every one of them have been great! I’ve even bought them for presents for special people because they’re an amazing instrument for a great price and you’ll shock guys that have never played one before! Their “Strat- like” guitars are an incredible value without breaking the bank. I bought a starter setup for a friend’s daughter to learn on, and he compared it favorably with his Fender Hendrix model! I’ve purchased a couple of their hybrid guitars with the stacked pickups and you can get an incredible variety of tones but it’s pretty heavy. I bought one of his 24 fret models that MAB was endorsing with 24 frets in flat black and twin humbuckers and it was incredibly light and a joy to play! I even bought an acoustic electric parlor guitar from them because sometimes you just want to grab and go, and that little box was all SOLID WOOD - no plywood or other junk in that box, so she should just get sweeter with age! Nice action right out of the shipping box too! If I had any complaints, it’s that they don’t come with a hard case, but that’s not really a bad thing either because it keeps the costs down, they do an incredible job of packing and protecting the guitars the way they do ship them, and the gig bags most of them come with are more than sufficient for MOST of what we’re using them for. If we were a serious touring musician we would want to have an Anvil type case made for any guitars regardless, so your fiberboard or lightweight wooden cases Fender and the rest are using wouldn’t hold up either. FIVE STARS to Kevin and the guys at Sawtooth!!! Tell ‘em Thorin sent you!!!
I bought an Epiphone Les Paul Custom from Musicians Friend for $150 cheaper than Guitar Center a couple months ago. Same company and it shipped from my local Guitar Center. Plus I got points at Musicians Friend that I wouldn't get from Guitar Center. Definitely have to shop around.
Max, good looking out for us! Picked up a Sawtooth St- M24 in Primal Red on Amazon today for $555 where other sites you mentioned were all $799 to $849 for the same guitar. And it came with the gig bag for that price as well! Thanks for watching out for our pocketbooks!
@@GuitarMAXMusic received the Primal Red Sawtooth. What a great guitar. The ONLY thing I can find on the guitar are some gritty frets that needs a little polishing. That's an easy fix though. The guitar came in near perfect tune. Just amazing playability for the price. I was a little skeptical about the Sawtooth brand, but now I would recommend this model to anyone. Sawtooth and MAB are making sure they are putting out a great product. Thanks again Max for watching out for our wallets and the initial reviews of these guitars.
@@user-zf8cw7yy6t gritty frets in unacceptable..especially for that much $…means the builders were lazy as hell…hopefully that’s all you end up finding wrong with it…good luck dude
I had noticed this maybe over a year ago. I used to buy the Chromacast cases and I always checked both GoDPS and Amazon and ordered whichever was less. I have had several of the guitars and they were cool and I got good deals on a Strat clone but now the same guitar is like $70 more but I will say that the one I got seriously needs a set-up as the strings are about 1/2" off of the fretboard at the 12th fret. Once I ordered a guitar from them and it never arrived and when I called the guy said that my order got lost in the shuffle. It appeared to me that he was a one-man show and was over-extended which lead to some of the problems that they might have.
This seems to be common for many foreign based guitar companies. Limited web site management and cut n paste seem quite common too. Hopefully someone will contact them and suggest the corrections or check the site from time to time for conflicts in listings.
Thank you for the information.I had a lot of discernment about this brand.I will admit I am no shredder and is not really my thing.I have been noticing in Marketplace the Sawtooth amps for sale for 0$.I dig your channel when I catch it.I remember a custom Tele? from Italy you had from wine casks and shotgun shell caps for knobs and I think custom tooled leather pickguard.That is BADASS! Thanks for your all you do! That Sawtooth brand had me interested I guess you could say or good or eh?
Apps generate advertising, advertising generates money...they want you to download the app for that purpose. You'll find this very thing you are talking about with a lot of products, today. Amazon have huge warehouses and they may buy quantities of items that get reduced pricing from the manufacturer, which would affect pricing. But if the items are being shipped direct from that manufacturer, then that makes no sense! Modern mysteries! At any rate your videos are great and your guitar playing is pretty awesome; thanks for all the info you share.
Excellent video. I wonder how many other manufacturers do the same thing. But still. MAB is really endorsing these guitars on every one of his live streams.
It's common for prices to vary a little bit, but I don't think I've ever seen it vary by this much. I just want people to take their time when they're shopping so they don't pay more than they need to.
Yeah, I noticed the prices too. It all stated when I had my eye on a buttercream Sawtooth Strat which was around $160 and still is around that price. Bit my lip and, a while ago, opted to buy a Donner cause it had an ebony fret board (now it's recently changed to Laurel Wood.) Either way, both are much the same and still a lot of setup work on each out of the box. But pay over $500 for a Sawtooth - just not happening.
I bought a white ST M24 right after I saw your first video from Music Store Live for $450 and it was already $700 on DPS. I really like and enjoy playing it but I had to smooth up the sides of the fretboard but that was a minor detail but I definitely bought it for the cheapest price I could fine. Great videos Max! Thanks.
I’m glad you did a video for this , I was looking at buying an M24 a few days ago , but the irrational pricing just confused me and put me off buying, as I was Not sure if the irrational pricing is due to them all being slightly different models that is not transparent to the buyer in the description . I ended up giving up.
I've never bought a guitar from them but I've seen price jumps with pedals, one manufacturer I just bought from the pedal was cheaper on their reverb page than it was on their own website.
Yes, I agree. On Amazon itself. As an example I have seen the, Sawtooth ES - ST (just the guitar) listed at $114.00 and during the same day search have seen it for $199.00. A huge and confusing price point spread.
finally, a review that's 2022!!!! i just discovered Sawtooth and there are some elec guitars i just REALLY like. came here to see how they stack up in practice. (fukkin awesome designs on some. some are funky like my current fav - "Sawtooth 6 String ET Hybrid Electric Guitar, Spalted Maple Trans Cherry Burst with Wilkinson Tremolo" according to amazon)
You need to check out the brand new 2022 Kramer Pacer Classic guitars. Killer shred machine for $379!! And I almost bought the Sawtooth white guitar with Floyd like yours until I saw the new Kramer I got
So happy about that video !! Me and my wife where checking out sawtooth last week for one of my kids, cause i bought 2 of them about a year ago the white satin and the black one !! Cost me 600$ on amazon, and now its like way more expensive and its ok cause they where very cheap for the quality !! Gotta admit they are well built and sounds pretty good !! Thats when i check out godpsmusic and realize damn man !! There is some issues here !! So happy you notice and talked about it !! Extremely pertinent video !!!🤘👍
@@officialdandaman yeah i know about firefly they look good too !! But my kid those not like those vintage shape, he is more into metal , thats why i was checking out the sawtoot!! Thanks for the suggestion , have a good one !
@@Zack-hn2ui 🆒 I currently have a Firefly FFLP blueberry burst and a Ibanez Gio translucent blue, both are great guitar's and fun to play. I think Ibanez has a decent guitar for metal players under $500. Because of COVID 19 I think shipping has gotten shitty and more expensive. Check out my vids. ヾ( ͝° ͜ʖ͡°)ノ♪
Check this out. I bought a Sawtooth es Strat style guitar with a great very well made Chromecast gig bag. I got it through Walmart in 2017 for $53.00. The same guitar now sells for around $189.00 and if you look around the price is all over the place. So it does pay to look around. As always thank you for the great content. Your site has always been a great help for me in shopping for guitars.
I experienced a similar thing on Walmart online. they had a Sawtooth amp that was listed as a forty watt amp with a nice tweed covering. and from what I could tell from the photos it seemed to back up what was written in the listing. and it had a really decent price if I remember rightly it was like $129.00. but it went out stock really quickly, I should have probably snatched it up when I first seen it.
Very interesting. Man, I'm glad I haven't purchased one. I want one of the red single cuts with Floyd rose. I guess I'll be looking at the Amazon site instead of Godps. I have tried to make buying a guitar simple. I have like 3 criteria basically. First it has to look good or I won't want to play it. Second it has to be balanced and have the features I want. Such as a trem, good pickups, etc. It also has to be balanced when standing such as at a gig without neck dive. Then past, but not least is it has to have good fretwork. Level frets, jumbos or super jumbos and recently I want stainless frets. It also must have a good but and bridge. The things that truly affect tone basically. Physics tells us the nut, bridge, strings, and pickups are more important than anything with sound. I personally like Gibson scale guitars more than any, but I own fender scale guitars I love too. What's up with all the inexpensive guitars using horrible fret metal or having sharp ends. I have guitars from the late 80s and early 90s that have almost no wear and have never had fret sprout, and I've bought guitars such as cheaper fenders that had terrible fret sprout and I wore out the frets in a year. Maybe I just received a lemon, but I've heard other guitarists speak about this as well. I've decided I almost have to build super strat parts casters to get what I want at a reasonable price because it's so hard to find quality like I bought in the 90s. As far as a couple brands go anyway. Still, we live in the best time overall to buy gear. I don't want to sound cynical. I'm old and grouchy maybe. 😂 Good video man.. 🤘❤️🤘
The company seems to have dealers that it wants to protect. Often you'll see this, where the dealers are allowed to sell under MSRP, but not below MAP pricing. SO they have a lower limit to their price. You know when this is happening in any product line when you shop and shop and every dealer has the same price. This eliminates the possibility to undercut, and they are all selling below list. Then go to the manufacturer's site and they either don't sell directly at all or they sell AT list, thereby discouraging direct sales and promoting dealers. It's always good to have a network of loyal dealers.
I picked up on this too recently. I love the white guitar. I’ve noticed it’s priced differently in several places, on the website, on the GoDPS app, on Walmart, on Amazon, and it’s kept me from buying the guitar. Right now I’m in the app and it says $400 on the product page, but when I go to check out for the same guitar it’s $700. They need to fix this, it ruins their credibility. Michael Angelo should be informed. I work in e-commerce and it looks like their quality control needs improved.
ive wanted to get one but Im not a fan much of traditional strat/gibson style bodies...ive been hoping they would do something a bit more a V, or explore shape, and I like that floyd that mounts on top, think that would be cool on a v style guitar..
I worked for a company that sold their products through infomercials, website, and storefronts. We had a marketing guy come in and he wanted to run an experiment on a handful of our best selling products to see what the best pricepoint would be. So if we sold it for $800 through the call center, what if we sold in in the store for $700 and $750 on the website. Would the $50-$100 lost on the other selling avenues be offset if the amount sold raised the overall profit margins on that product. He did the same thing, one region had extras added, another region didn't. Once they got data on which sold the best and also brought in the most profit, they rolled it out across the board. This looks exactly like what that marketing strategy is. They are testing to find the sweet spot of profit margin.
It could be as simple as a bulk buying discount. They can warehouse, say, 100 of each model. Amazon, can warehouse 1,000 of each. So, the price for the larger delivery is cheaper per unit.
some guitars are marked seconds at the factory which means that they didn't meet some of the standards, so they sell them to other not as musical retailers and are sold for less. but you got me on the gig bags idk maybe they are really nice and threw it in for free?
I bought the MT-24 last year off Sawtooths website for only $350, and it has the German Floyd Rose. I grabbed that deal. It’s not my favorite guitar however, it’s a great guitar!
Maybe Sawtooth produced a large number of guitars at a fixed price and sent them to an Amazon distribution center for delivery. As a result, when Sawtooth raised their prices the Amazon listings weren’t included but will be addressed when the next batch is sent off.
I would never spend that kind of cash on a Sawtooth guitar , that's insane. There's so many name brands that are proven quality guitars in that range , Ibanez , Schecter , Epiphone , Jackson etc...
idk why Batio just didn't stay with Dean (or any good, name brand) and just have them put out his signature stuff, guitars, amps etc i just don't get the whole 'sawtooth' thing. Batio is an amazing player, and a good guy (but the sawtooth thing is just kinda 'uncomfortable') if you know what i mean.
@@C_mao Personally I believe he's part owner or a silent partner of some sort, it's the only thing that makes sense. Plus you got to realize his Dean models were $3000 and probably didn't sell great but a Sawtooth guitar that's sub $1000 or even $500 is selling a heck of a lot more and that's more money in his pocket.
I am baffled as to why a legendary shredder is promoting Sawtooth. I do know about the issues over at Dean Guitars, which he used to promote, but am surprised where he's ended up. From Washburn to Dean to Sawtooth? My first "beginner" guitar was a slightly used Charvel that I bought from someone through old friends back in high school. It was cherry red, had a light wood neck and amazing natural sustain without any effects pedals. My next Jackson was a gloss black Soloist with the beautiful abalone inlays for the shark fin fret inlays and the Jackson logo. It was a work of art, although I now prefer the smaller body size Dinky. Jackson makes some excellent quality guitars suitable for beginners or those on a budget, as well. Plus, the brand has a long history of excellence and of being the brand of choice for many metal genre players. From a consumer standpoint, why not just get a less pricey Jackson until ready to upgrade? You stay with the same brand and always get that Jackson metal tone. If you can't splurge a bit on a quality Jackson up front, then finance it instead! 🤘🎸
got a hybrid ES used for $150. had no idea it had anything to do with Batio, it was simply in a pawn shop and i thought it was cool that it had 5 pickups
Most guitar manufacturers sell the guitars at a 40-60% wholesale discount to retailers. If you look at each of these listings you will see they are “sold and fulfilled by Amazon” so hypothetically if the merchants are selling them at a 40% discount to Amazon and Amazon sells them at a 20% discount of msrp it’s a win for amazon and the retailer. Amazon also uses technology to crawl the web and find the lowest price of any product they sell which is also sold be competitors to make sure they are 99% of the time cheaper. Another thing is if you buy the guitar on Amazon, they now know what you like and can start showing and cross selling other products; pedals, tuners, strings, amps, etc. Lastly people trust Amazon and their return policy so it’s Easier for a lot of consumers to buy on Amazon vs others retailers, and Amazon makes a millions and millions of annual prime subscriptions so it’s all factored in to make it profitable. Love your channel, great content and super informative. Thanks for all you do!
Just wondering are some of their guitars better made than others, and maybe with better quality parts ? That could account for the price differences on the same model.
Love my sawtooth, had to shim it to get a decent action out of it and the setup sucked but otherwise everything else was pretty good. Got the package, the gig bag is worthless as it has got padding. Your right though it really does pay to shop around with this brand.
Artificially inflated prices seems to be the norm these days with a LOT of companies - especially the OIL companies! 100 gallons of heating oil costs us nearly $400 here in New England!
Get Michael Angelo Batio and Mike Pinera (Blues Image, Alice Cooper, Cactus, Iron Butterfly, etc...) on Sawtooth's case... both are endorsed by the company! :)
I ordered the MAB m24 with the Floyd Rose today for 274 bucks, shipping included, based on your evaluation of it, Max. I couldnt find anything with original Floyd Rose shipped within 100 bucks. Hopefully, its good! Its a starter guitar for me, so...even if its garbage I wont know for a couple years however:) Anyways, i found your review of it as an blank canvas with good hardware and the fact that you own and use the same model compelling. Fingers crossed.
Me too , saw his black Friday video and hopped on it . Not bad price for a Floyd Rose guitar, gonna put on Seymour Duncan invader on the bridge as my first upgrade 👍
I just got a surf green Sawtooth Telecaster from Amazon for $117 it has black locking tuning pegs on it which absolutely blew my mind especially for that price let's hope it holds up to my Sawtooth Strat
Guitar Center does the same thing but it is most obviously seen in their drums. You'll see a drum shell pack for a price but then look it up and see the same shell pack with cymbals and stands for the same price. Different SKus, same shels sme prices but totally different packages.
Max, have you ever checked out the 'Bootlegger' Brand on Reverb. They have some seriously nice guitars in the $600 - $800 range and some cool amps too.
This is the reason I love this man. He's out here really trying to help us save money and still be able to play quality instruments.
The reason I love this guy is that hair.
@@BringTOBIWANback best hair in the guitar youtube landscape
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This is a dope channel! Max is a brainy metal head , with shine and volume hahahahhaha
Would you let him make love to you??? 😹
Firefly Guitars:
New and direct from the source: $200
Used on Reverb $320
Yup. Scalpers.
True, I see that all the time, also on Ebay.
On reverb also. Used prices are sky high.
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Lately the used guitar prices have really jumped. And people are buying them pretty quickly too.
Probably because they're always sold out so you can only buy used.
I've noticed similar situations on other brands as well. Some consumers are not very thorough when shopping online and end up paying hundreds more. Thanks for pointing this out, it's very helpful!
Thank you Max! I would never have guessed any of that! You consumer advocacy is greatly appreciated!
I purchased a left handed Sawtooth ST M24 and I love it. However, Max is spot on about the varied pricing. I bought mine for $159 with all the accessories, gig bag, tuner, tiny amp etc etc. The guitar itself was going for $249 at the time. At $159 I expected junk to be honest but it has become one of my favorite guitars.
I bought my left handed yellow cream guitar with all the accessories for 70 bucks at a discount surplus store as no one wanted to buy it and it was picking up dust, amp at that price isn't the best but it did work fine case, stand, and tuner work awesome though and I'm glad i bought it
Oh and it's a stratocaster
I just did this purchase...this exact guitar thru the app. I had problems getting signed into the app, but an email to them and Kevin got that fixed for me. $400 delivered came with a cable and allen wrenches. Was double box shipped and took about a week to arrive. I can attest to that it is a professional quality guitar. It weighs 7.7 lbs, bridge pickup 15.3 k, neck pickup 8.6 k. The pots are very stiff, a drop of wd-40 down the pot shaft fixed that. It was almost in tune and the action was a little high with the neck pickup a little low, neck needed no adjustment. Easy set-up to my liking, but honestly could have been played right out of the box. Hope this helps any considering purchasing one. Thanks Max. =)
Thank you for the report!
You're doing a great public service Maximus. Saving your fans and the public some $$$. Keep up the good work
This is why I love the channel.
Useful info I can use.
Wish I could play like you Max!
Cheers!
Thanks, Max! I’ve noticed these price fluctuations and just thought it was different companies selling them.
I've been watching your post more often now. Videos like this are very informative. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for the update. Been curious about these guitars
Thx so much for clearing that up! I"ll be watching different listings, could not find the right prices , I do hope their availlable at all.
Good Afternoon, Great information about purchase strategies.
Thank you.
I'm probably one of the very few, if not the only, mid-70's person that may remember this...It was a movie or TV show where grabbing both handfuls of hair, yanking, while screaming..."I'm So Confused!!!!!" is the only part I remember. I think it fits. (If that's the "best" part, as in the only part I remember??? I think that pretty well covers how "memorable" / or not that show / movie is.) Great Job, as always, Max. Please keep these great videos coming!!!
When sawtooth started they prided themselves on being badass inexpensive guitars but now they're the same price as a mid priced LTD or Ibanez.
i know right, id way rather have something like an ibanez axion, those have fishman actives, gotoh locking tuners, really cool finishes etc and they are under $1000. idk whos paying that sum for a brand that ive never even heard of before this video
Thats not uncommon, Harley benton, vintage and chapman all started as a budget company that ended up making pricier lines later on . Not a bad thing
@@stevewilliams2895 whether people have heard the brand name or not shouldnt affect your choice to buy or not smooth brain xD
@@Glamosapien Actually I don't know why it wouldn't, I'm not paying the same price for a brand I've never heard of when compared to an LTD or Ibanez, or at a brand that's supposed to be considered a "budget friendly" brand.
@@Glamosapien I get having different model lines but these guitars are the same lines as when they started from what I understand just more expensive now. Like they sucked everyone in with the less expensive price then when everyone took notice now they're more expensive.
Great video. I'm sure as a musician, TH-cam, teacher, guitar reviewer etc., it may be tough at times to love an instrument but need to slam the truth to the company. Keep doing what you're doing! We listen and appreciate it!
Yeah, Max. I just went through a related situation last night with guitar stands. I'm still trying to figure out how I could have handled it better. Thanks for your insight here. It helped in the sense of specifics to watch and why.
This is how i shop for guitars as well! Anyway, since the inception of the internet and Korean made guitars. I remember buying a shecter C1 classic circa 2010. It litterally was dirt cheap and the only cheap thing about it was the price. Oh boy i wish those kind of deals were around in the 90s when i was learning to play and had little disposable money.
This is exactly why I love this guy! Thank you Max for this vid.
Always good information Max, we appreciate you being honest and helping us save cash
You are 100% correct on all points. Well done Max.
Went on their website a few weeks ago because I remember your video pointing out that the base model with a real Floyd Rose was $449 which is an awesome deal. When I saw that the price had nearly doubled I laughed. That neck/fretboard and headstock scream "$200 guitar" and the pickups are budget quality. For $750 you're talking about pretty much getting an actual Charvel, Schecter or nicer ESP LTD. Their $949 option is really a joke in my opinion.
One word your rant is missing: Cort
You're spot on bro , i'll by a nice Schecter if i'm gonna spend that kind of money. At least i know i'll be getting a quality guitar , i've had 4 and currently own 2 now..
This! These guitars eare basically generic Charvel San Dimas copies, with cheapo pickups, when the actual Charvel Pro Mod Series, cost more or less the same price and have genuine Duncans.
Sure, they may have a german Floyd, but the Korean 1000 Series OFR on the Charvels is just as good.
@@greekfreak1980 Absolutely. Nobody ever has an issue with the Korean Floyds. Sawtooth would be smart to overhaul that headstock shape, go with Korean 1000 Floyds and lower the price to $399. That would be a perfect spot for the Sawtooth brand to live.
@@enthused7591 Hate to be "that guy", but I own a ton of different Floyd Rose models, and the OFR is much better than the FR1000. It stays in tune better, it feels more articulate, you can feel the bridge resonate when you bend, and the bar doesnt move as much as a FR1000. This makes sense as to why Batio insisted on using this part in his guitars.
Personally, I'd rather have a Gotoh FR over a FR1000 (Schecter used these on their "Schecter branded FRs".) They even come with a brass bar preinstalled.
You do you of course, but if I ever get the option, Im sticking with an OFR.
Excellent review. I too noticed all these different prices.
thanks for the heads up on the pricing, in case i do happen to get a sawtooth. it's good to be aware of with these diff listings. (originally thought this was a review, but it was still great info, thanks!)
Nice work brother. Way to look out for us.
I purchased the model you have hanging. They sent me the Americana version. It was 450$ ordered off reverb. I believe it was one of the first demos, because the serial number is hand printed. I love the guitar, and might paint the body eventually.
My take on this, is that maybe they expect more traffic and sales on Amazon, rather than their own website. But its still a pretty considerable difference between the prices on the listings. Great Video, Max!
I was thinking that too especially if it were the same price or slightly lower then they could excuse the extra fees for higher sale numbers but this is just weird lol.
CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, BUT.. IS’NT THE PRICE BEING JACKED UP ( BECOMING EVEN MORE XPENSIVE ) BECAUSE OF THEIR SPOKESPERSON/SPONSORED MUSICIANZZ 1 Micheal Batio 🤔 🤨?
Nice one max. Great info.
Excellent information! Thanks Max 🤘
Great video! I've got several of their better guitars since MAB went over to them. I think most of these price variations revolves around the 20% discount on the app and its overall impact. If you recall, when they first launched the app, they were going to charge $5 a month for it, because of the discount, and then almost immediately scrapped the charge and made it free. Maybe this 20% discount has had an impact on their bottom line greater than they were expecting. Or, maybe this was all an introductory push to get their exposure up. Either way, they have increased the price of the equipment, so that once the 20% is applied, they are still getting what they wanted originally. Unfortunately, because of shipping container pricing and inflation, now you have the new increased pricing structure. But honestly, that doesn't explain everything. Depending where you look, Reverb, Walmart, Amazon, Ebay, GoDPS, the prices are all over the place. So like MAB always says, they do things differently from any other company. Maybe there is a strategy in there, we just don't see it. Anyway, another great video!
You can find this with some other brands too. They sell on Amazon, eBay, and their own website. You’d think their website would be the least expensive but it’s not always. You have to check around or you might end up paying a lot more. Another TH-camr found this out buying a budget Strat on Amazon for about double the price on the company’s website.
They must know it reflects on you! And other youtube advertisers?!?! Thanks Max!
I have bought a few of the ES kits in different colors and I could not be happier . For entry level guitars , I think these are very good . I also have an ES Hybrid that is really great . Two of my ES’s have also been autographed by Michael Angelo Batio during promotions for Sawtooth guitars and he has a major input in design as well . Great customer service to boot .
Love these videos. Very well done 👍
To make matters more confusing, official outlets on eBay also have different prices, plus they often push discounts to viewers. To further muddy the waters, models also sometimes get refreshed/upgraded without changing the model number or mentioning it in the description. That can be a real kicker either way. Glad you mentioned the app. It isn't just Sawtooth that does this.
Great knowledgeable vidio max, thanks for the heads up🛩️🪂👌
Really good video. Talk about the old Okie Doke?
It's absolutely bonkers! Who knows what craziness lurks in the hearts of guitar manufacturers. Great video thanks for all the info max. I'm going to go check out there website. Toodle Lou brother!
I own several Sawtooth guitars and every one of them have been great! I’ve even bought them for presents for special people because they’re an amazing instrument for a great price and you’ll shock guys that have never played one before!
Their “Strat- like” guitars are an incredible value without breaking the bank. I bought a starter setup for a friend’s daughter to learn on, and he compared it favorably with his Fender Hendrix model!
I’ve purchased a couple of their hybrid guitars with the stacked pickups and you can get an incredible variety of tones but it’s pretty heavy. I bought one of his 24 fret models that MAB was endorsing with 24 frets in flat black and twin humbuckers and it was incredibly light and a joy to play!
I even bought an acoustic electric parlor guitar from them because sometimes you just want to grab and go, and that little box was all SOLID WOOD - no plywood or other junk in that box, so she should just get sweeter with age! Nice action right out of the shipping box too!
If I had any complaints, it’s that they don’t come with a hard case, but that’s not really a bad thing either because it keeps the costs down, they do an incredible job of packing and protecting the guitars the way they do ship them, and the gig bags most of them come with are more than sufficient for MOST of what we’re using them for.
If we were a serious touring musician we would want to have an Anvil type case made for any guitars regardless, so your fiberboard or lightweight wooden cases Fender and the rest are using wouldn’t hold up either.
FIVE STARS to Kevin and the guys at Sawtooth!!!
Tell ‘em Thorin sent you!!!
I bought an Epiphone Les Paul Custom from Musicians Friend for $150 cheaper than Guitar Center a couple months ago. Same company and it shipped from my local Guitar Center. Plus I got points at Musicians Friend that I wouldn't get from Guitar Center. Definitely have to shop around.
Max, good looking out for us! Picked up a Sawtooth St- M24 in Primal Red on Amazon today for $555 where other sites you mentioned were all $799 to $849 for the same guitar. And it came with the gig bag for that price as well! Thanks for watching out for our pocketbooks!
Perfect! That's an awesome price.
@@GuitarMAXMusic thanks so much again. Looking forward to new guitar day!
@@GuitarMAXMusic received the Primal Red Sawtooth. What a great guitar. The ONLY thing I can find on the guitar are some gritty frets that needs a little polishing. That's an easy fix though. The guitar came in near perfect tune. Just amazing playability for the price. I was a little skeptical about the Sawtooth brand, but now I would recommend this model to anyone. Sawtooth and MAB are making sure they are putting out a great product. Thanks again Max for watching out for our wallets and the initial reviews of these guitars.
@@user-zf8cw7yy6t gritty frets in unacceptable..especially for that much $…means the builders were lazy as hell…hopefully that’s all you end up finding wrong with it…good luck dude
I had noticed this maybe over a year ago. I used to buy the Chromacast cases and I always checked both GoDPS and Amazon and ordered whichever was less. I have had several of the guitars and they were cool and I got good deals on a Strat clone but now the same guitar is like $70 more but I will say that the one I got seriously needs a set-up as the strings are about 1/2" off of the fretboard at the 12th fret. Once I ordered a guitar from them and it never arrived and when I called the guy said that my order got lost in the shuffle. It appeared to me that he was a one-man show and was over-extended which lead to some of the problems that they might have.
I picked up a tiny sawtooth amp that's great for practice slowhand in the closet
This seems to be common for many foreign based guitar companies. Limited web site management and cut n paste seem quite common too. Hopefully someone will contact them and suggest the corrections or check the site from time to time for conflicts in listings.
Thank you for telling us what it’s all about right up front. I’ve ALWAYS appreciate your Honesty 🙂
Thanks Max. I bought a base for $99.
Thank you for the information.I had a lot of discernment about this brand.I will admit I am no shredder and is not really my thing.I have been noticing in Marketplace the Sawtooth amps for sale for 0$.I dig your channel when I catch it.I remember a custom Tele? from Italy you had from wine casks and shotgun shell caps for knobs and I think custom tooled leather pickguard.That is BADASS! Thanks for your all you do! That Sawtooth brand had me interested I guess you could say or good or eh?
Apps generate advertising, advertising generates money...they want you to download the app for that purpose. You'll find this very thing you are talking about with a lot of products, today. Amazon have huge warehouses and they may buy quantities of items that get reduced pricing from the manufacturer, which would affect pricing. But if the items are being shipped direct from that manufacturer, then that makes no sense! Modern mysteries! At any rate your videos are great and your guitar playing is pretty awesome; thanks for all the info you share.
Good Job Max thumbs up
Excellent video. I wonder how many other manufacturers do the same thing. But still. MAB is really endorsing these guitars on every one of his live streams.
It's common for prices to vary a little bit, but I don't think I've ever seen it vary by this much. I just want people to take their time when they're shopping so they don't pay more than they need to.
I got a bass for $100! Thanks Max. Hellion!
Yeah, I noticed the prices too. It all stated when I had my eye on a buttercream Sawtooth Strat which was around $160 and still is around that price. Bit my lip and, a while ago, opted to buy a Donner cause it had an ebony fret board (now it's recently changed to Laurel Wood.) Either way, both are much the same and still a lot of setup work on each out of the box. But pay over $500 for a Sawtooth - just not happening.
Thanks for the info!
You can get the hardtail M24 in black for like 300 on Amazon too.
I would scallop the neck on that one it has medium jumbo the red one looks sick the block inlays and relic look is awesome
I bought a white ST M24 right after I saw your first video from Music Store Live for $450 and it was already $700 on DPS. I really like and enjoy playing it but I had to smooth up the sides of the fretboard but that was a minor detail but I definitely bought it for the cheapest price I could fine. Great videos Max! Thanks.
Very nice! Well done.
its always a good idea to shop arround no matter what the brand or product is.im always looking for the best deal i can get.
I’m glad you did a video for this , I was looking at buying an M24 a few days ago , but the irrational pricing just confused me and put me off buying, as I was Not sure if the irrational pricing is due to them all being slightly different models that is not transparent to the buyer in the description . I ended up giving up.
I just checked and they are selling for 449 on the GoDPS website right now. 9/6/2022
Max you should check out the Ormsby Rusty Cooley Signature.
I've never bought a guitar from them but I've seen price jumps with pedals, one manufacturer I just bought from the pedal was cheaper on their reverb page than it was on their own website.
Sikk im glad you made this . Buy one!
Yes, I agree. On Amazon itself. As an example I have seen the, Sawtooth ES - ST (just the guitar) listed at $114.00 and during the same day search have seen it for $199.00. A huge and confusing price point spread.
finally, a review that's 2022!!!! i just discovered Sawtooth and there are some elec guitars i just REALLY like. came here to see how they stack up in practice. (fukkin awesome designs on some. some are funky like my current fav - "Sawtooth 6 String ET Hybrid Electric Guitar, Spalted Maple Trans Cherry Burst with Wilkinson Tremolo" according to amazon)
Great advice bought Stage Right 50 combo but arrived damaged out of stock , now was looking around sawtooth combo whatnyoumthink.
You need to check out the brand new 2022 Kramer Pacer Classic guitars. Killer shred machine for $379!! And I almost bought the Sawtooth white guitar with Floyd like yours until I saw the new Kramer I got
So happy about that video !! Me and my wife where checking out sawtooth last week for one of my kids, cause i bought 2 of them about a year ago the white satin and the black one !! Cost me 600$ on amazon, and now its like way more expensive and its ok cause they where very cheap for the quality !! Gotta admit they are well built and sounds pretty good !! Thats when i check out godpsmusic and realize damn man !! There is some issues here !! So happy you notice and talked about it !! Extremely pertinent video !!!🤘👍
Try Firefly guitar's, best deal for under $400 and they look and play good 👍
@@officialdandaman yeah i know about firefly they look good too !! But my kid those not like those vintage shape, he is more into metal , thats why i was checking out the sawtoot!! Thanks for the suggestion , have a good one !
@@Zack-hn2ui 🆒 I currently have a Firefly FFLP blueberry burst and a Ibanez Gio translucent blue, both are great guitar's and fun to play.
I think Ibanez has a decent guitar for metal players under $500. Because of COVID 19 I think shipping has gotten shitty and more expensive.
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@@officialdandaman i will 👍
Man those guitars are awesome!!! Batio fan here too! 🤟🤟🤟
Check this out. I bought a Sawtooth es Strat style guitar with a great very well made Chromecast gig bag. I got it through Walmart in 2017 for $53.00. The same guitar now sells for around $189.00 and if you look around the price is all over the place. So it does pay to look around. As always thank you for the great content. Your site has always been a great help for me in shopping for guitars.
Incredible!
I experienced a similar thing on Walmart online. they had a Sawtooth amp that was listed as a forty watt amp with a nice tweed covering. and from what I could tell from the photos it seemed to back up what was written in the listing. and it had a really decent price if I remember rightly it was like $129.00. but it went out stock really quickly, I should have probably snatched it up when I first seen it.
Very interesting. Man, I'm glad I haven't purchased one. I want one of the red single cuts with Floyd rose. I guess I'll be looking at the Amazon site instead of Godps.
I have tried to make buying a guitar simple.
I have like 3 criteria basically.
First it has to look good or I won't want to play it.
Second it has to be balanced and have the features I want. Such as a trem, good pickups, etc. It also has to be balanced when standing such as at a gig without neck dive.
Then past, but not least is it has to have good fretwork. Level frets, jumbos or super jumbos and recently I want stainless frets. It also must have a good but and bridge. The things that truly affect tone basically. Physics tells us the nut, bridge, strings, and pickups are more important than anything with sound. I personally like Gibson scale guitars more than any, but I own fender scale guitars I love too.
What's up with all the inexpensive guitars using horrible fret metal or having sharp ends. I have guitars from the late 80s and early 90s that have almost no wear and have never had fret sprout, and I've bought guitars such as cheaper fenders that had terrible fret sprout and I wore out the frets in a year. Maybe I just received a lemon, but I've heard other guitarists speak about this as well.
I've decided I almost have to build super strat parts casters to get what I want at a reasonable price because it's so hard to find quality like I bought in the 90s. As far as a couple brands go anyway. Still, we live in the best time overall to buy gear. I don't want to sound cynical. I'm old and grouchy maybe. 😂
Good video man..
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The company seems to have dealers that it wants to protect. Often you'll see this, where the dealers are allowed to sell under MSRP, but not below MAP pricing. SO they have a lower limit to their price. You know when this is happening in any product line when you shop and shop and every dealer has the same price. This eliminates the possibility to undercut, and they are all selling below list. Then go to the manufacturer's site and they either don't sell directly at all or they sell AT list, thereby discouraging direct sales and promoting dealers. It's always good to have a network of loyal dealers.
Good dude max!
... And this is why I always recommend other gear heads to sub to Maxx's channel.
He's based AF and alway's looking out for the community.
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You are right they are insane on their price listings.
I picked up on this too recently. I love the white guitar. I’ve noticed it’s priced differently in several places, on the website, on the GoDPS app, on Walmart, on Amazon, and it’s kept me from buying the guitar. Right now I’m in the app and it says $400 on the product page, but when I go to check out for the same guitar it’s $700. They need to fix this, it ruins their credibility. Michael Angelo should be informed. I work in e-commerce and it looks like their quality control needs improved.
ive wanted to get one but Im not a fan much of traditional strat/gibson style bodies...ive been hoping they would do something a bit more a V, or explore shape, and I like that floyd that mounts on top, think that would be cool on a v style guitar..
I worked for a company that sold their products through infomercials, website, and storefronts. We had a marketing guy come in and he wanted to run an experiment on a handful of our best selling products to see what the best pricepoint would be. So if we sold it for $800 through the call center, what if we sold in in the store for $700 and $750 on the website. Would the $50-$100 lost on the other selling avenues be offset if the amount sold raised the overall profit margins on that product. He did the same thing, one region had extras added, another region didn't. Once they got data on which sold the best and also brought in the most profit, they rolled it out across the board. This looks exactly like what that marketing strategy is. They are testing to find the sweet spot of profit margin.
Nice. They seem to be well made instruments.
It could be as simple as a bulk buying discount. They can warehouse, say, 100 of each model. Amazon, can warehouse 1,000 of each. So, the price for the larger delivery is cheaper per unit.
some guitars are marked seconds at the factory which means that they didn't meet some of the standards, so they sell them to other not as musical retailers and are sold for less. but you got me on the gig bags idk maybe they are really nice and threw it in for free?
Another reason to shop first, take a couple of days to shop around. Sometimes that's the fun, shopping as apposed to clicking fast.
I bought the MT-24 last year off Sawtooths website for only $350, and it has the German Floyd Rose. I grabbed that deal. It’s not my favorite guitar however, it’s a great guitar!
Nice. You got it for the best price possible I think! I've never seen them less than that.
Maybe Sawtooth produced a large number of guitars at a fixed price and sent them to an Amazon distribution center for delivery. As a result, when Sawtooth raised their prices the Amazon listings weren’t included but will be addressed when the next batch is sent off.
Good Job!!!! Pointin out the not so obvious
I'm not a fan of Sawtooth guitars or any of their stuff but I really like MAB.
I would never spend that kind of cash on a Sawtooth guitar , that's insane. There's so many name brands that are proven quality guitars in that range , Ibanez , Schecter , Epiphone , Jackson etc...
@@mikeg.9238 exactly!! Why would anyone spend that kind of money on a Sawtooth guitar? The drop in value as soon as you buy it would be astronomical.
idk why Batio just didn't stay with Dean (or any good, name brand) and just have them put out his signature stuff, guitars, amps etc
i just don't get the whole 'sawtooth' thing. Batio is an amazing player, and a good guy (but the sawtooth thing is just kinda 'uncomfortable') if you know what i mean.
@@C_mao Personally I believe he's part owner or a silent partner of some sort, it's the only thing that makes sense. Plus you got to realize his Dean models were $3000 and probably didn't sell great but a Sawtooth guitar that's sub $1000 or even $500 is selling a heck of a lot more and that's more money in his pocket.
I am baffled as to why a legendary shredder is promoting Sawtooth. I do know about the issues over at Dean Guitars, which he used to promote, but am surprised where he's ended up.
From Washburn to Dean to Sawtooth?
My first "beginner" guitar was a slightly used Charvel that I bought from someone through old friends back in high school. It was cherry red, had a light wood neck and amazing natural sustain without any effects pedals. My next Jackson was a gloss black Soloist with the beautiful abalone inlays for the shark fin fret inlays and the Jackson logo. It was a work of art, although I now prefer the smaller body size Dinky.
Jackson makes some excellent quality guitars suitable for beginners or those on a budget, as well. Plus, the brand has a long history of excellence and of being the brand of choice for many metal genre players.
From a consumer standpoint, why not just get a less pricey Jackson until ready to upgrade? You stay with the same brand and always get that Jackson metal tone.
If you can't splurge a bit on a quality Jackson up front, then finance it instead! 🤘🎸
got a hybrid ES used for $150. had no idea it had anything to do with Batio, it was simply in a pawn shop and i thought it was cool that it had 5 pickups
Most guitar manufacturers sell the guitars at a 40-60% wholesale discount to retailers. If you look at each of these listings you will see they are “sold and fulfilled by Amazon” so hypothetically if the merchants are selling them at a 40% discount to Amazon and Amazon sells them at a 20% discount of msrp it’s a win for amazon and the retailer. Amazon also uses technology to crawl the web and find the lowest price of any product they sell which is also sold be competitors to make sure they are 99% of the time cheaper. Another thing is if you buy the guitar on Amazon, they now know what you like and can start showing and cross selling other products; pedals, tuners, strings, amps, etc. Lastly people trust Amazon and their return policy so it’s Easier for a lot of consumers to buy on Amazon vs others retailers, and Amazon makes a millions and millions of annual prime subscriptions so it’s all factored in to make it profitable.
Love your channel, great content and super informative. Thanks for all you do!
Dude you are awesome!
Just wondering are some of their guitars better made than others, and maybe with better quality parts ? That could account for the price differences on the same model.
I’ve wondered about this. I thought I’d seen some wild differences in price.
Love my sawtooth, had to shim it to get a decent action out of it and the setup sucked but otherwise everything else was pretty good. Got the package, the gig bag is worthless as it has got padding. Your right though it really does pay to shop around with this brand.
Artificially inflated prices seems to be the norm these days with a LOT of companies - especially the OIL companies! 100 gallons of heating oil costs us nearly $400 here in New England!
Get Michael Angelo Batio and Mike Pinera (Blues Image, Alice Cooper, Cactus, Iron Butterfly, etc...) on Sawtooth's case... both are endorsed by the company! :)
I ordered the MAB m24 with the Floyd Rose today for 274 bucks, shipping included, based on your evaluation of it, Max. I couldnt find anything with original Floyd Rose shipped within 100 bucks. Hopefully, its good! Its a starter guitar for me, so...even if its garbage I wont know for a couple years however:) Anyways, i found your review of it as an blank canvas with good hardware and the fact that you own and use the same model compelling. Fingers crossed.
Me too , saw his black Friday video and hopped on it . Not bad price for a Floyd Rose guitar, gonna put on Seymour Duncan invader on the bridge as my first upgrade 👍
I just got a surf green Sawtooth Telecaster from Amazon for $117 it has black locking tuning pegs on it which absolutely blew my mind especially for that price let's hope it holds up to my Sawtooth Strat
I can buy a warmoth neck for a 1990 strat deluxe that is gathering dust and be happy with that
Guitar Center does the same thing but it is most obviously seen in their drums. You'll see a drum shell pack for a price but then look it up and see the same shell pack with cymbals and stands for the same price. Different SKus, same shels sme prices but totally different packages.
Max, have you ever checked out the 'Bootlegger' Brand on Reverb. They have some seriously nice guitars in the $600 - $800 range and some cool amps too.
Yes! I have reviewed the Bootlegger Royal. Search for 'guitar max bootlegger' and you'll find it!
The little amps are pretty good . I've seen a used one at gc for around 300
This tone is Maxed out!!!!!