I am a cooperator. Nothing but good things. I’ve been involved with them for 3 years. They’ve facilitated me to become a better Catholic: a better father, husband, and lover of our God
No. Considering the human trafficking and snuff films and organ trafficking and they would never admit to being Opus Dei members and Jesuit money laundering.
As a member of Opus Dei, I had only experienced real love for lithurgy and for Christ and Virgin Mary in every moment I was in the Opus Dei centers. Nothing more than that. People in the cultural center I go are passionate for the Catholic Church and for the Magisterium. There's real Love there, real Catholic formation, and I'm a living witness of that.
I’m not in Opus Dei but I was unwillingly unknowingly being recruited and I spent time there. While I don’t doubt the desires of those there to give God their best, the fact is that the pressure that this group drives creates a very perverse “love” for Mary, Christ and The Church. It’s not real, it’s a feigned pressurized “love” that is actually a form of self serving with the guise of piety. It can seem or appear as love, but it’s really not. It’s a sick group very akin to how North Koreans worship their leader, Scientology, Jehovah Witnesses and other cults. It’s a perverse form of Christianity/Catholicism
As a follow up, you should invite a spokesperson from Opus Dei to your show and ask him/her questions to clarify concerns that you may have and that were brought up in this segment. Please do so.
It would be fair. While you’re at it maybe you should check out all the other Catholic organizations not only Catholic how about Mason how about protestants all over the world does this make anybody feel any better?
Why are you defending Opus Dei so arduously, are you a member? That is not ok. The work of this team is already professional journalism. Raising legitimate questions is professional and fair
@@cb885 I am not an Opus Dei member, neither I am a Catholic Christian, but I love and pray in Opus Dei Church and I am around Her members a lot. I wonder why no one is talking and criticizing the Jesuit order which is now converted to a sexual, political, muslim, buddist club. OPUS DEI stays truthful to CHRIST's teachings and Christian values. No OPUS DEI CHURCH or member celebrates Ramadan in front of CRUSIFIX. like some Jesuit Churhes do. You want facts, I have plenty.
Hi I am a member of Opus Dei for the last 30 years and nobody decides how much I give but muy wife and myself. I really think Opus Dei now is very open to the public, you can find everything on the web. And that I like. If you are here todo do good there is nothing to hide. God bless you and keep the good work, we need you. I listen yo you every day. Thanks.
I appreciate the attempt not to color the entirety of a very large organization with the sinful behavior of some of its members. It would be unrealistic to think that an organization the size of OD would be exempt from the effects of our fallen nature. Although not a member, my experience with OD through retreats, etc., has been universally positive and I encourage everyone to look at the good done by OD and take advantage of their evenings/mornings of recollection which have been an absolute blessing for me and my marriage, rearing of children, work life, etc.
OD is a great Catholic organisation, if you want a strong and authentic formation, I can't think of a better organisation to join. It may not be for everyone but its is still one organisation I will hopefully join with my family in the future. I have family members and friends who have been members for 30yrs plus, I have been invited and attended a lot of their activities, monthly recollections and all. I had an Opus Dei priest as spiritual director at one time (highly recommended). They may have few bad apples but that doesn't represent the overall organisation and the wonderful work and formation they give to thousands of Catholic across the world. My experience and that of members I know personally are very positive.
As of any scandal, it is important to notice that someone's evil actions don't make the Church nor any of her Institutions "evil", anymore than Judas betrayal didn't make the Apostles "evil". Opus Dei has no doctrine of it's own but the Catholic Church doctrine and the Pope's teachings. It is a spiritual way intended to ordinary lay Christians living and working in the World. This said, it is important to know that more than 80% of Opus Dei members are married men and women living ordinary lifes. In Opus Dei spirituality there is a very strong sense of respect for personal liberty and it's consequent personal responsibilities, which contradicts this cult-type idea that some people confuse with the simple sense of fidelity to higher ideals. In the effort and struggle of being better Christians it is comforting to find loving ones that support you and offer their lifes, as Opus Dei members do, to help others find their happiness in the sanctity of ordinary life.
There’s a sickness that starts to brew when that comfort you speak of starts to mean more than one’s actual relationship with God, or rather replaces ones moral duty to God. It so happens most eventually defer to their leaders and other members of their organization AS if it were God, and so follow a culture instead of God Himself. This is the foibles of being human and are demonstrated quite well in such psychological tests such as the Milgrim and the Stanford prison experiments. Therefore, people should be very aware of the reasons behind what they do or agree to regarding being obedient to a leader. If not, there’s real trouble- sometimes and sadly often, heinous. There is definitely power in a well organized obedient group, but at what cost? Especially if they all are blindly following their group, which Jesus warned others NOT to do.
I feel you should be talking about individuals and their actions rather than the organisation of Opus Dei. I lived happily for 12 months in an Opus Dei hostel in London, back in 1975 as a 19 year old student. At the end of the year, my room mate gave her life to the organisation as a numinary but I didn't, as I knew my vocation was marriage (even though I didn't meet my husband for another 10 years!). At no time was I pressured to stay or mistreated in any way and only ever experienced kindness and respect from the Opus Dei members I had lived with. I even returned to visit that particular room mate 40 years later, along with my children (she is now the Directress of an Opus Dei house) and we had a precious time, reminiscing.
I have been an OpusDei member since about 30 years ago. There has never been any impropriety between anyone, especially between the women and the priests! When we have confession there is a special room for the priest, separate from the one who is being confessed, and getting spiritual guidance, communicating only through a small window completely covered up. You can just hear, not see. About inappropriate behavior, we at OpusDei hardly talk to the priests, and when so, always accompanied by others. There is a very spiritual respect. If this situation happened, it’s completely out of context of how OpusDei members act. We hardly want to look at the face of the priests because of respect. So don’t disrespect a whole beautiful prelature because of one case, or is there more? Be careful of making a witch-hunt of a community that searches the struggle for saintly life.
Hi. Do you know there is no secret in confession inside Opus Dei? All you said was written, said to the director and sent in Rome. Read "Inside Opus Dei" by Maria del Carmen Tapia. I am Catholic and very sad this sect could exist and lead Vatican today.
But you don't see that the problem is precisely that! That rigidity, I mean, why not to look at the face of a priest? Wouldn't you look at the face of your father? I just don't understand
The Alzheimer’s could definitely have affected Fr McCloskey’s behavior even 10-15 years ago. A close relative of mine who also died of Alzheimer’s exhibited some “groping” many years before he became severely compromised-a behavior he in is right mind would have abhorred. This raises another question about the handling of priests suffering from dementia. It’s very hard to recognize the early stages.
I am not opus dei . I admirer their mission. Most of the abuse now is people getting in to the priest hood when they know they are beset by demons but fail to acknowledge or deal with them. When they are confronted by pressures their demons slither out. The utube depositions by Archbishop Nienstede shows the end result which is a callous disregard for the pain of their neglect and abuse.
@@justjacqueline2004 in retrospect I can say the same for my own mother prior to her official Alzheimer's diagnosis. Uncharacteristic behaviors were present.
I dont understand the " protect the family at all costs " thing. If someone is commiting a crime , then you are disgracing the family and need to be held accountable !
You would not only be disgracing the family but also pull people away from the word of God which is supposed to be coming from this family and inspire others to join.
Opus Dei is a great Catholic organization and a blessing to the Catholic Church and the world. I have been involved with Opus Dei in New York, Miami and Vienna and all I can do is praise them! I’m not a member but for years I took advantage of their spiritual formation groups, monthly days of recollection and retreats. They are solid orthodox Catholics and they deliver quality formation and a great message about the need to sanctify your life, work and the world all for God. The priests are superb! So there have been a few rotten apples in the giant barrels all over the world ... well that is to be expected from human nature, but they are few and far between Unlike the Jesuits who are overwhelmingly heretical and filled with homosexuals unfortunately. But these two go together often: heresy and deviant sexuality. I’m sorry to see that you are even discussing Opus Dei because of 2 or so few cases of misconduct. I love Opus Dei and feel blessed to have learned so much from them, their teaching and their witness. They are solid and good! God bless Opus Dei and all their members. May the organization be fruitful and multiply!
@@isasala9111 "Beth Watkins brilliant lights and deepest shadows all together", like any other Catholic institution, of course. If you are looking for pure holiness, don't look for it in the Catholic Church. But, before you leave it, please tell me where to look for it, and I do solemnly promise, I will follow you.
Actually any human abuse from within and from outside of any church against anyone should be corrected as soon as possible especially the concerned parties are still living, a prayer from the Philippines 🙏💓 🇵🇭
I got my formation through Opus Dei and was baptized because of their formation. I'm happy that I was formed by a very Orthodox group. But I also have to admit that they use hard sell in spreading the faith. My friend will always say that they are the Catholic version of Born Again sect in terms on how they spread the faith. I'm not a member of Opus Dei. I'm considered as a "friend" of Opus Dei, not even an associate. But between Opus Dei and the Jesuits, there is no comparison. I will choose Opus Dei anytime.
I’m sorry you think OD is so extreme. My experience is the opposite. They are so faithful to the Pope - it’s almost unpleasant for those who don’t like this pope. St Josemaria preached to love the Pope.
I love Opus Dei. I am not a member but cooperator. It is not a cult. Traditional orthodox Catholics who have a lot of protocols that protect the Laity. They made a mistake with handling of Fr CJ but they do a lot of good
Odile Glatz nobody said it is a cult, but that they have cultish or cult-like behaviors. If you take the lust of the 10 characteristics of a cult, I can tell you OD fits in at least 5 or 6. Of course they have good even great things, but those great things don’t justify in any way the bad ones. And honestly, saying that OD is far better than other insttitutions in the Church is ridiculous: each case is dramatic a d deserves justice a d no cover up. PS: as a cooperator you know nothing about about the deep state, you just know the beautiful external appearance, for you to stay close and contribute with your money (and prayers...)
@@isasala9111 in the interest of space I didnt mention I went to an Opus Dei school ( no one pushing an agenda) my husband is a member, my parents , and my sister. Not shady.
@@SJ72BE to keep it shorter, I didnt mention I went to an Opus Dei School (no one pushed an agenda) , my husband is a member, my parents, and my sister. Not shady.
I know very well Opus Del as I was member from the age of 16 until 20 in Spain. It didn't work for me. I don't have any contact with any member for many years but I don't have anything bad to say about them. Overall good experience I think.
S Jan so they have hundreds of illegals. Or maybe no, maybe they tell them they are members when in fact they are not. Which means they could change their mind and leave but they don’t do it because they think they are members and that would not be loyal to God... They are expert in doing such things; I experienced it first hand
With the same criterion expressed by Jan and Sala, nobody could be a member of any club, religion or any nation until you turn 18 (it sounds like Communism to me). As long as there is freedom to leave and freedom in general, I don't see anything wrong in belonging to a religious organization, club, etc, when your are below 18. If there is something wrong with the freedom issue, let it be fixed/corrected. Let us not forget that Jesus, like any other Jew of the time, went through a ceremonial religious membership when he turned 12 years of age. BTW, in this respect, OD is no making any innovation; it was a common practice for centuries to join an order at an early age, including minor seminaries. Yet, it's my underestimating, that minimum ages are being/have been bumped up in many countries to make them more agreeable with modern-culture standards (e.g. 100 years ago, for a woman marrying at 15 was considered acceptable/very good, as it was the case of one of my great, great grand mothers).
Nuria CB no no no, their internal limit is 18, you have been lied to, 16-18 year is indoctrination prep period. Especially worrisome for future numerary members
It’s an excellent vocation for laymen. More people should look into it because it helps them to sanctify every moment of the day and turn it into prayer without doing anything weird.
The way to sanctify every moment in our life and turn it into prayer is.. to pray! To put ourselves in front of the face of Jesus and pray silently. There is no other way. Also, the vocation of being a laymen is either to be married, or to be single. A minor vocation can be a lay consecration within a religious order. Opus dei is not a religious order, therefore it is NOT a vocation. A vocation is a solemn promise to God that implies vows, Opus Dei does not require vows, therefore, according to canon law and catholic teaching, it CANNOT be called a vocation.
The ad for Opus del...should be what all Catholics should be striving to....3rd order groups, Various Religious orders, Carmelites, Dominicans, Franciscans .....etc, are All called to a Higher calling. Lay Brothers, or Men called to the Diaconate, are all following a Calling.
Dear Frank, you are exactly right, but maybe you missed a nuance, allow me to share my personal thoughts. Opus Dei is an institution that aims to help normal cristians to seek the universal christian vocation through ordinary life. It has this specific mission. When it appeared in 1928 this was a substantially forgotten message that was only fully remembered after the second Vatican council, much with the help of the founder's percursor work. So you are right, that's what all Catholics should be striving to. Opus Dei simply tries to remember this universal calling to holyness to everyone and aims to help anyone who seeks help to find God through their normal life, not just "despite their normal life". It has this secular focus slightly different from religious orders which are called to find God leaving the worldly tasks - also a necessary and noble vocation to many. That doesn't mean there aren't many more institutions which can also help to do this with their specific spirituality. That's the richness of the Church. Opus Dei has its own spirituality, highly focused in ordinary life for ordinary people. God bless.
I'm a cradle Catholic and I was educated in Catholic schools in the decade of the sixties. I go to confession and seldom miss going to mass . I pray the rosary every night and have for many years . I was married for 35 years to my only love until her passing almost a decade ago . What has happened to my church has not affected my faith but it makes me sick to think that Satan lives deep within its walls. Only upon Christs return will a true cleansing come
10:26 "openness is always better." Uh, no, not always. A priest friend/colleague of mine was wrongly accused of abuse around 2008. Even though he was eventually "vindicated," he has never been allowed to return to public ministry for fear his presence would incite more trouble for the diocese. He was recently offered medical retirement by his diocese. Throughout the entire ordeal he has accepted this suffering and encouraged friends to not make a fuss, as this is God's will for him. His reputation and priesthood have been marred forever by the mere accusation of abuse. I don't think accusations should be made public until there is highly credible evidence leading to a trial or whatever. All our priests have bullseyes on their backs right now.
My Brothers & Sisters, please don't let convenient labels and categories like "liberal," "conservative," "modernist" or "traditionalist" blind or deceive you. There are sinners of every sort, everywhere within the Holy Roman Catholic Church. She, as the Mystical Bride of Jesus Christ, is perfect. However, the human members that are part of Her, are not.
I know for a fact that it is/was practice among members of the opposite sex in Opus Dei at least when the women needed to be in the presence of a Priest to use the buddy system and not enter a room unless there was two of them. This to protect the priest as well. I have to wonder about the opportunity that allowed this instances to occur. I would say Opus Dei has a lot to offer and teach however it is NOT for everyone.. I can say this, I learned most of what I know about being Catholic from the Catholic school of Opus Dei and they are as you say very orthodox and did well teaching BUT I am waiting for more from them on this Pope but I also remember that Opus Dei is producing some very strong Catholic Families and the survival of the church sits on these families
In the case of Fr. CJM, what made the accusations and/or the purported events possible was that the diocese of Washington DC unexpectedly granted to OD the CIC (Catholic Information Center). It took a while for OD to make the building complaint with OD’s rules. The main error of OD was not to do that right away. Note that Fr. CJM always denied the accusations and has been mentally incapacitated for a long time.
Agreed. About Francis: I also expected a lot but I long ago realized they will say nothing. They are experts is praising everybody if that allows them to follow their way. Different thing is what they say in the inner circles
@@isasala9111 They will say nothing, yes, but not for the reasons you seem to think. Like the Jesuits, OD has a quasi vow to obey and love the Pope not matter who he is. It is part of its foundation charisma, i.e., it comes from God. This does not mean that they should defend error (if it happened, whoever did it, would have to be corrected, like any Catholic who does something wrong).
No need to join Opus Dei to come closer to Jesus. For my part I just pledged fidelity to Jesus through Mary. I don't need somebody to drain my hard earned money which will be of some use to my children and grand-children. More I don't like their elitist way of thinking : those who are born poor must accept and stay in this condition and serve the 'aristocratic' members of the community.
Christians must do what God asks them to do: those called to Opus Dei, should serve God in Opus Dei; those called to serve God as Jesuits, should serve God as faithful Jesuits; those called to serve God as Carmelite nuns, should serve God as a good contemplative Carmelite nuns; and those like you, Roland, called to simply "pledged fidelity to Jesus through Mary", should simply pledged fidelity to Jesus through Mary, and that's perfect! It is a matter of conscience, we should all respect. Some people seem to have a problem with this...
How do you know if you are called to the priesthood for instance ? What about all those Judas like McCarrick who joined, were they REALLY called ? All souls are to be saved and called to sanctify themselves, that is the only thing I am sure about. Even in the world, as a spouse and parent many ordeals shall cross your path, if you are mentally close to Jesus and Mary you can gather plenty of spiritual wealth.
How do I know? Ask them, not me. However, both you and I must always respect freedom of conscience; if they feel called, we must respect that. About McCarrick: was he called? I don't know, but he perfectly could have and later turn traitor, like Judas did, who was certainly called by Jesus to be one of the 12 apostles. About salvation and sanctification: we Catholics believe it is the work of the Holy Spirit, through grace--and the way God wants, not the way we want. Claiming that you can sanctify yourself is the old Pelagian heresy. About the rest, I fully and strongly agree with you. Thank you!
@@rolandrabier5984 Judas was called by Christ and yet he betrayed him. That the use of their personal freedom resulted in serious sin against the God who called them doesnt call into question the origin of their vocation. The heart is where the battle between good and evil happens. Are priests or anyone with a vocation above and beyond this struggle ? They have a heart still.
Opus Dei, in Ireland at least, is strongly supportive of Pope Francis, and one gets the impression that the support would continue regardless of what the pope would say or do. There are very good and devout people in the movement, but it tends to scout for members among the wealthy professionals
Muriel Kinsella they are only interested in keeping the power (and they have a lot) and not being bothered in their business. They are publicly super fond of Francis, of course they are. A very different thing is what they comment within the centers when only numeraris are there...
I'm sure you're right about that. And to be honest, I don't know enough about OD to give a definitive view one way or the other. All I can say is I find them a tad suffocating , at least thats the impression i got when I went for an interview to one of their houses in Dublin , many, many years ago. I know a couple of very devout members, and they are charity itself. But I also know of those who found it very cultish. 're Pope Francis and OD, they appear to be almost ultramontaine. I went to confession to one of their priests and as I was leaving the box he told me to pray 'in thanksgiving for the gift of PF as pope'! I've been receiving the sacrament of confession, on and off for over 50 years, and under 5 popes, no priest ever asked to me to honour the other 4 in that unique way!
@@minui8758 I don't have 'contempt for the papacy' and I try to follow the Catechism of the Catholic Church (although I don't always succeed in some areas as I'm a sinner) so I'm orthodox in principle. I have nothing but total conviction in the truth of the Catholic faith. Have you?
They keep using the words “cover up” concerning McCloskey even though the reporter with the beard never indicated that Opus Dei participated in a cover up. Opus Dei came to an out-of-court settlement and paid the accuser. Then they kept it quiet. But that’s normal and not a nefarious cover up. They then, at her behest, went public with her struggle with McCloskey.
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I am no expert on Opus Dei, but in the online circles I frequent, Opus Dei is considered to be a really fundamental part of the Vatican 2 Church ideology, much of which runs in opposition to the Traditional Catholic Faith. Although it was formed a good decade before the Vatican 2 council itself, it's founder, Escriva, practiced and promoted many of the modernist principles which echo of Freemasonry. These include promoting One World government, admittance of Communists to Catholic groups without asking them to renounce Communism, and a friendliness to documents such as V2 which subvert the teaching of the Catholic Church as the one true religion necessary for salvation. As mentioned I am not an expert. What seems to be clear, however, is that even flirting with the religious indifferentism heresy leads to demonically inspired sexual perversion. Certainly that is true in the conciliar Church and from all appearances Opus Dei is intertwined in the middle of it. If I'm wrong please let me know and why.
Sorry, but all it takes is to do some serious research since everything is open to the public, and you'll find out by yourself how wrong you sadly are.
As of any scandal, it is important to notice that someone's evil actions don't make the Church nor any of her Institutions "evil", anymore than Judas betrayal didn't make the Apostles "evil". Opus Dei has no doctrine of it's own but the Catholic Church doctrine and the Pope's teachings. It is a spiritual way intended to ordinary lay Christians living and working in the World. This said, it important to know that more than 80% of Opus Dei members are married men and women living ordinary lifes. In Opus Dei spirituality there is a very strong sense of respect for personal liberty and it's consequent personal responsibility, which contradicts this cult-type idea that some people confuse with the simple sense of fidelity to higher ideals. In the effort and struggle of being better Christians it is comforting to find loving ones that support you and offer their lifes, -as Opus Dei members do- to help others find their happiness in the sanctity of ordinary life.
I Am a member of Opus Dei. I have found it to increase holiness in my faith and my working life. It fits my life. My prayers are with Fr McClusky. He had been my Spiritual Advisor and very faithful to the teachings of the Catholic Church. Richard Flatley Jr.
How do you know it actually increased “holiness” or does it just psychologically feel that way? All people in cults FEEL a certain sense of improvement because they expect as such. If they didn’t expect it, they would not have joined. Did Jesus not warn people of seeking a certain form of self satisfaction regarding any holiness they perceive in themselves? Even St Joan of Arc claimed she did not know whether or not she was a wretched sinner or holy but placed that judgement in God’s hands alone. Our judgements upon our own holiness are flawed. We are not to GRASP for it. Philippians 2:6.
@@sonofhibbs4425 Why then did Our Lord ask Paul (then Saul) to go meet with a human to receive directions on what to do? Why did the Holy Spirit ask Philip to go meet the Ethiopian Eunuch instead of a direct encounter with the Eunuch? Why did the early converts to Christianity need the Apostles? Why not a direct encounter with the Holy Spirit? If you answer these questions honestly, you will see that God desires to work through humans as co-operators, as weak as we are, and is something we should be grateful for and not abhor.
I have found the most spiritual happiness, friendship and help, always treating us to the way of Jesus Christ. I’m very disappointed in Church Militant for seeking scandal in such a pure Prelature. I can understand that there is a terrible situation for this matter, but you seem to want to generalize in a defamatory way. It’s a pity, I admire your organization, but this is not good.
You are pointing out specific problems within a 100 thousand members Institution widely spread Worldwide. What do you expect? Being an Opus Dei member or priest of such doesn't make you instantly an Angel, and as this Institution, thankfully to God grows, more problems and issues will obviously arise. The point is that concrete steps are taken towards fixing problems as has happened. How about showing as well and talking publicly about the overwhelming thousands of testimonies of priests, numeraries and other members living fully plentiful enjoyable lifes instead of casting shadows for very specific sad cases that fortunately are not nearly abundant?
Exactly. I sense a bit of envy here: I was never invited to be part of Opus Dei as a prominent member of my profession and a high-profile defender of the faith, so let's attack Opus Dei. There's sometimes a bit of envy, I think, in Michael Voris's attacks on certain people (like Bp Barron) that perhaps he's not aware of leaking out in the extreme animus he shows against some people/groups on very small grounds.
It’s plain and simple all the saints who started their orders were good and holy people so we have to discern we’ll but as I say this is a battle between heaven and hell so we have to pray and fast as this is spiritual warfare the more people pray and fast the church will be better but when we ourselves get laxer that when Satan takes an upper hand . I have a son who is an Opus Dei member . They also do have some good grooming for spirituality so for that I’m grateful because the world seriously getting worse spiritually so they have done a good job in my son
The allegations against the Opus Dei priest, Rev. C. John McCloskey, are, of course, extremely distressing and disappointing. It is interesting, however, that not long after Father C. John perpetrated these disgusting assaults, he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease, which subsequently incapacitated him. Not to make excuses for Father C. John's behavior, but sometimes in the early stages of Alzheimer's, people say and do things that are out of character; things they wouldn't ordinarily say or do. This is because the Alzheimer's beginning to deprive them of the filters for their words and actions. (Just sayin')
Eleven years in prison sounds like a more reasonable sentence than the two or three years handed out to some of the clergy in North America. Should be longer but at least it's a step in the right direction.
I just read about the McCloskey situation. The woman who filed the complaint didn’t disclose her name! Yet she said that the priest “ groped “ her several times! If so, why did she go back to see him? Why didn’t she denounce him immediately? Also as I said, there is a confessional, very private and separate. For the sexual whatever to happen, they must have been in the same room! It seems like it was consensual. Also if seems that the whole life of the priest was ruined. This doesn’t happen in OpusDei!
I just watched this irresponsible reporting that implies that the organization is not good. 1st in regards to the priest in Spain, please provide the evidence that was provided to the Opus Dei investigators and whether their was any different that was presented to the Spanish court. I would ask if all people in prison are guilty. Give us the facts not just your opinions. Like you I am not a member of Opus Dei, but have benefitted from their spirituality via attending Evenings of Recollections in the Ann Arbor area. I have NEVER felt any pressure to join. No cult stuff observed by me personally in 20+ years. Please let us know how many faithful practicing Catholic members, priests, Numeraries, Supranumeraries of Opus Dei did you interview prior to this broadcast. Thank you.
@@ahcmontanez I don't possess the monies or facilities that Church Militant has access to conduct such a investigation. Just because Ms. Niles & others have found the behavior of some Catholic people who happened to be associated with Opus Dei to be difficult with doesn't mean every member possesses the same negativity. Do I have to remind you that Jesus himself picked 3 of the 12 apostles that weren't completely without sin esp. Judas. I would be very disappointed in Opus Dei leadership if they choose to hide crimes committed of whatever nature.
Most most most of people in prison, at least in Spain are guilty. Yes. Or you don’t trust in the judicial system? Or you only trust when they do what you think is ok? In Spain there are judicial guarantees. The abuser was not a priest but he was an OD member, lay. He has appealed to the Supreme Court, and we have to wait for the result. But for the time being he is comdemned, period.
@@isasala9111 Fine, but it is well know that Spain has become a virulently anti-Catholic country--desecration of churches and tabernacles included (and of course, not reported by the media). Therefore, prudence must be used in such cases, since its judicial system is not very reliable.
Given the concerns about ‘protecting the family’ and how important it is to be transparent and through in investigating allegations of abuse or impropriety, I wonder if Church Militant would be willing to share their written plan for when an allegation is made against someone within their organization, or at leas its outline. This would both help frame their expectations for other ministries and perhaps offer guidance for those ministries to better develop their protocols.
The O D priest told me he didn’t like Church Militant and I was told to stop blogging and tweeting - then the head was spying on my tweets - they try and control you - I was a supernumerary
Dominie, when you belong to a religious order, you are bound by its rules. OD is a personal prelature, canonically equivalent to religious order (in many aspects), and as you most likely know, formerly a religious order itself (which is what it was before the code of cannon law of 1982). They were not "spying" on your tweets, since they were public (be careful, this is a very serious calumny...). You freely accepted the contract. If you could not comply with it anymore--and you may have had good valid reasons for it--you should have left. We are all bound by obedience in the Catholic Church. You are probably married; you can't go and have a secret affair with a guy--even if only on tweeter--and next claim the Church is trying to control you if she tells you that what you are doing is not acceptable. Not understanding this basic principle is one of the root problems we have today with crisis in the Church in the liberal West.
Lumen Gloriae I was not told any of these things when I joined - I was deceived - had I been told these rules I would definitely not have joined. I was also told it is most definitely not a religious order . I don’t accept Vatican 2 either. I am Lefebvre supporter - many who left Opus Dei also support sspx - they all had similar experiences to me.
@@dominiemarystemp3442 They told you the truth: OD is a personal prelature, not a religious order (read my last comment more carefully). If you joined OD not accepting Vatican II, your membership was void and null: you've never been a member, period (stop worrying about it). However, they would have never let you be a member should they have known that (like in any Catholic institution). (BTW, I do respect SSPX). About they deceiving you, I don't think so. Nobody will ever give you a list of things that you cannot do before joining any Catholic organization, since it would be infinite. They most certainly explained you the charism of the organization (through classes, chats, etc.), and you put yourself under the care of some spiritual director. This person, assessing that the content of your emails was eventually not according to the charism of OD, or that they were off doctrinally, told you couldn’t do that, for which any Catholic religious organization has the right and duty to do. This goes beyond religion. People can't typically do whatever they feel like doing on internet without jeopardizing their jobs if they belong to a corporation, for example. Let alone if they belong to the military, or something like that! (which would be a more fair comparison). If you thought that you were suddenly called by God to have such internet involvement, that would have meant that that was time for you to leave OD (maybe the will of God had been for you to be there up to that point). Dominie, please reconsider the whole thing in the presence of God, once more. Obviously, more than one thing went wrong in this whole affair, and there is likely shared responsibility. But your attitude is not the attitude of a Christian. Do you think Jesus would be doing what you are doing? God bless you!
@@lumengloriae6887 were you present when Mary was having her interactions with OD? In claiming that OD was telling her the truth, you imply that she is lying. She is simply relaying her story and it's not for you to say her "attitude is not the attitude of a Christian". Fair question - are you involved with OD?
@@mdfaithfulcatholics7940 I was not present yet I was not implying she was not telling the truth but that she had misunderstood what I had said in my previous comment, as I clearly stated. It is not a Christian attitude to smear an officially Catholic organization with dozens of comments, be it Opus Dei, the Jesuits, IVE, etc., for the alleged/real sins of a few, or even, of the many. There are proper channels for that. As a Catholic, it is my duty to defend them, whenever they are attacked; I don't need to have any involvement in them. If you carefully read all that I wrote, you will see that I was very clear while at the same time being understanding of her case. I did pray a lot for Dominie today, and I wish I could help her more. Thank you for your comment.
Please Simon, I don't think you are being true to yourself in your attempt to be "charitable". Your blunt self is much more attractive, and it doesn't mean that you are being simplistic, or throwing the baby out with the "bathwater" when you are more forthright. ....one reason why I appreciate Christine is that she consistently calls things by their right name.
I am sorry Church Militant but it is evident you do not know much about Opus Dei. It is most unfair to sit in a group and dish out here say information. For your analysis of OD to be believed you should have had a member of that organisation present so that some of the statements you have made could be clarified and corrected, especially the reference made to the question of money. I have for a long time listened to your programmes with interest but I am afraid you have put some doubts in my mind as to your veracity.
I agree that to be fair they should have had a member there to dispute, but so it is also that people like yourself touting OD are very often put to the task and therefore not to be trusted. If OD was a group where it lets people speak freely then perhaps all the members and supporters could be trusted in their supportive statements. It’s a bit like listening to North Koreans exclaim their leader is so very very good and nothing bad does he ever do.
You guys have guts to bring Opus Dei to the focus publicly. Congratulations for your courage. Opus Dei has big lights and huge shadows. They are very orthodox, the liturgy is perfect, they bring many people close to God; all that is great. Most of the members, especially supernumeraris are honest people and many numerari as well. But they are certainly EXPERTS in covering up WHATEVER small thing that may put a stain in the perfect public image of the organization. In words of the Founder, “dirty clothes are cleaned at home”, which means whatever happens it should not trascend. I learnt this cover up thing from Opus Dei and then after the years I came to know the Church was doing the very same. But OD is practicing cover up at professional level; I mean, they are experts in covering up. And last but not least, they are extremely aggressive in their proselitism. I have a first hand experience on this. I was 15 and wanted to be faithful to the will of God. A priest and several numeraris told me I had vocation to be numerari; I trusted them. After 5 years they “found out” I had no vocation and they sent me back home. Nobody even apologized for that. It is absolutely true EVERYTHING you said in the description about the proselitism, the different members, the assistant numeraris doing inside household jobs getting no salary, etc etc They target intelligence, money, status, family. Or a combination of those. And about the spiritual direction you are also right: you have to have the espiritual direction they fix for you, period. Plus you have to talk weekly with a lay member that also the directors decide for you, period. SUMMARY: there are dark shadows together with brilliant lights. They are extremely careful with admitting homosexuals or in the relationships of priests with ladies, or of course among the celibate members. It may happen anyway but they do all possible for that not to happen, I can testify on that. What I find disturbing is their professionalism in covering up whatever they consider negative for their corporate image.
If your cover-up accusations are true, expose them. Otherwise, they sound like conspiracy theories. No member of OD (or any religious order) would ever tell you that you have a vocation. They may tell you that that you may likely have a vocation, but never that you have one. No member of OD (or any religious order) would ever tell you that you do not have a vocation either. By "tell", I mean assure you. Those things belong to a person's conscience. It is a basic principle in Catholic moral theology, and OD is scrutinized, like any religious order (it is a prelature), for such things not to happen. I cannot deny your claims since I was not there, but if they truly happened, they would be extraordinary and irregular events that should be immediately disciplined, following proper ecclesiastical channels. On the other hand, your attitude of smearing a Catholic organization with such cruelty and cold determination (which could damage the lives of tens of thousands of people) is certainly not Christian, to say the least. I understand your are from Spain... Lot's of anti-Catholic sentiments in your country now-a-days, aren't they? How sad! I will be praying for you.
Diocesan, and active orders or societies of Priests will always have these sorts of issues. Given the current state of society I believe a return to monasticism and parish life being centered around the monastery is the answer to these and many other issues.
I’m so glad you addressed this, I have liked some Priest that are Opus Dei. I do find the organization very cultish almost Masonic. We all remember that Legionnaires Of Christ was Conservative and Orthodox, it was due to Pope Benedict XVI that the founder Marcel was exposed. I also question how the founder leap frogged over many and was fast tracked to Saint hood. Opus Dei uses Love Bombing as a technique to recruit members, I find this disingenuous. OPUS DEI also targets wealthy people, they seem to adhere to a class system.I find the elitist mentality more than a little disturbing. Remember the problems in the Church McCarrick a Mason and they excluded people who were not Homosexuals etc. McCarrick operated the same way Money and connections. As far as sexual abuse is concerned, this seems to be an epidemic with families schools and other Religious Communities, not just the Catholic Church, no one has escaped this perversity. Sexual abuse is an epidemic today.
@@aliciamontero7061 yes, Spain and Italy are the countries where Opus Dei is more active. However, I think most people have only a vague idea about the institution, and don't really know the real reasons why it's considered a cult. I mean, people often relate it to politics and conservadurism, but the unfair and manipulative methods that they use with children aren't very well known.
Opus Dei isn't considered masonic or cultlike by any authoritative body, and it's defined modus operandi as described in its statutes and catechism are blessed by Holy Mother Church.
I think Miss Christine is confusing “Associates” (celibate members who don’t live in Centers....all are Catholic) with “Cooperators” (non-members who support the Work in various ways...don’t have to be Catholic).
How about calling a representative to respond? The explanations are not correct about what the Work is. The people involved are not part of a cover-up or any kind of conspiracy. The Work is a very open and transparent institution that does good to many people.
Why is your moderator Peter Lyons removing comments of those who do not agree with you, on your site concerning the article "RICO - Bring it on!" ? I have taken a screen shot of my replies to him, with "Removed" clearly printed on them.
Beats the hell out of Yahoo where I think they delete and remove thumbs ups from non-liberals and Catholics, however as a former Opus Dei cooperator I have nothing really bad to say about the Work but one thing; the group tend to be a bit cultish; great group on the whole though I no longer attend meetings.
I am a lay member of Regnum Christi (the lay movement of the Legionaries of Christ). Certainly in the past a lot of abuses were committed. But right now we are a lot more transparent, we promote a free discernment instead of a cult-like recruitment, and, as has always be the case, we promote traditional Catholic orthodoxy, faithful to the Church’s Magisterium. We have shown to be an authentic charism inspired by God, despite our founder’s disgraced life.
I’m familiar with Opus Dei. There are some holy members and persons affiliated but a lot of the leadership, educators, and hard core members are absolutely cultish and protective of OD at the expense of the children they teach and their families and members.
Why is baldie putting air quotes around "Latin Mass" Catholics and "Conservative" Catholics? Is he implying that they don't attend the Latin Mass or that they're not conservative? Or, rather, is it just CM showing their usual animus and contempt toward Catholics of a more traditional persuasion? First, you criticize SSPX, and I acknowledge there are problems there, but they're not like the liberal Novus Ordo "Catholics" you see waving their hands and climbing over each other during the "sign of peace" whilst supporting whatever liberal cause the priest is vomiting from the pulpit. Then, they go after the Remnant and say the Pope can NEVER be criticized under ANY circumstances and repeat this like a mantra whilst banning conservative Catholics from commenting on their website, which they then do a complete 180 on when the McCarrick scandal and Vigano's testimony broke. And now they're still making cracks at Latin Mass Catholics and saying, we're not saying that there's anything wrong with Opus Dei and that it's not an evil organisation . . . but here's what's wrong with Opus Dei and it's an evil organization. As a "Latin Mass" and "conservative" Catholic, baldie and CM, I've had enough of your Janus-faced hypocritical barb-throwing at traditional Catholics who simply enjoy doctrinal orthodoxy and the beauty of the Mass of the Saints as the Church celebrated it for 1500 years. You're all obsessed with the homosexual issue and rarely ever cover anything else of significance anyway. Although it's pertinent and important, it's tiring and just brings on desensitization and fatigue. Unsubscribed.
I understand & you make, in my opinion, some good points. Not sure the name calling is your finest moment. May I suggest a rethink. If you do let me know & I can delete this. God bless....
+Ignis Christi … I'm with you here. 'Baldie' aka Simon Rafe is one of the reasons (actually, THE main reason) why I am not a Premium Content subscriber to Church Militant on principle. This arrogant twerp has an acute attitude problem. He banned me from their com boxes a couple of years ago (don't worry, I'm over it and I've moved on from that). Also, for similar reasons, there were others who were also banned by the same person - even though we were on the same wavelength about the filth in the Church. I still keep an eye on their content, though, but, happily, I've since moved onto other independent conservative Catholic websites for news. Having said all that, it is very important that they keep reporting and putting it out there the burning issue of the infestation of the Catholic Church by the Acronym Mafia i.e. pederast/catamite/lesbian etc. Yes, I'm with you in that you can feel despondent and tired of it to the point of dangerously going past caring about it. Also, I love the Latin Mass, too, and am conservative with it. God bless. Peace and All Good.
As someone has already mentioned, please provide proof on facts, not your opinions or personal experiences if you are to make a public broadcast. It is very irresponsible of you. You say that the organization is good and you mean no slander in any way shape or form. But how do you think people that know nothing about Opus Dei are going to take your words? Have you ever read Mt 13:24-29? “ ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them.” That’s what you at CM do. You are policing all over the place. Then I ask you: by who’s authority are you doing this? Are you approved by the Church? Who endorses your reports? Your excessive, I’d say obsessive concern to “purge” the Church and “expose scandals” is blinding you. If you started with good intentions, now it is evident you are running out of topics to report on if you even choose to make an episode like this! You talk of cover up, but from what I get from your own words, the Fr. CJ case was handled privately with the victim, who LATER asked the organization to go public about it. Which it did!! So what cover up are we talking about? The Spain case? Bring thorough proof to the public audience. Didn’t Jesus say in Mt 18:15-17 ““If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in PRIVATE; if he listens to you, you have won your brother.” I’ve always given you the benefit of the doubt but after this I have proof that you are obsessed with accusing and you only care about condemning. Much like an Augustinian priest some centuries ago who decided to take matters into his own hands and “purge” the Church. We know how that story sadly went down and we are suffering from it today still. Stop being modern-day Jansenists and take out the plank in your own eye before you busy yourself with taking the speck out of your brother’s eye!
Dario Veneziano thank you. I wish comments like yours move Church Militant to dig deeper on OD and make more programs and bring specific facts. Thank you again
@@isasala9111 If they dug deeper as you suggest, they would find the usual mixture of good and bad--of St.Johns and Judases, as allowed by the Founder of the Catholic Church and its institutions. That would only serve to prove and confirm it is Catholic institution, made up of humans beings with original sin and personal sins--like you Isa, who have many... The only thing that could disprove OD would be to prove that Saint Josemaria founded an organization against the will of God. This, would contradict his canonization, which would produce a huge theological problem, since you would put in question all canonizations (which have the seal of infallibility) or the papacy of JPII.
DIRECTOR Roland Joffe wrote the film "There Be Dragons," He had 15 Deletions and or edits in order to make it more Commercial. He won an academy award for "The Killing Fields" re: Vietnam War. He also Directed "The Mission," this film Pope Francis perhaps is familiar with?
It seems to be that you are not informed about Opus Dei. I thought that Church Militant is professional and investigated all your information however it seems like it is partial. Even unfair, since you only informe the negative aspects, I’ll even seems like that is what you are looking for. I wonder if the information about topics are also misleading. Blessings
Sadly today being faithful to the establishment church is often not same as faithful to the church or to the Gospel. Difficult times! Opus Dei does not lend itself to being prophetic in a time of change like today.
Interesting, but not balanced, to say the least. Too much emphasis on that it is not a "horrible organization" (just a "very bad" one, I guess...), too much emphasis on the (very few) negative/bad cases, most of which sounded like anti-catholic gossip, since proofs were not discussed. Too much emphasis on the "cult" black legend, very akin to the Davinci Code and their buddies. You seem to forget/ignore that your channel started precisely by combating all that. Despite your claims of having a "tempered" judgment, it sounded more like a very negative judgment in disguise, i.e., more like "neutral" hypocrisy. You can do much better than that, Church Militant...
Why don’t you go and live in the OpusDei community? Then you can see for yourself! It seems to me that you are fishing for a bad situation in a great organization! I can’t say I want to see your blog anymore!
What's with this news channel? I love Opus Dei. Opus Dei is not a cult. Opus Dei is not only for rich people. Opus Dei members are free to leave whenever they want. No one pressure anyone to join. All this about re-structuring being analyzed by people without any contact with the Work seems like fake news.
Javier no tienes ni idea de lo que es el Opus Dei. Todo lo que afirmas es falso; es solo lo que ellos cuentan de sí mismos. English translation: you have no idea about what OD is. All you state is false; it is just what they tell about themselves. It is a pity I have no more time to rebuke this... just false Javier
There are not 'associates' but Cooperators. They do target well-to-do people, and all members I have come across are very kind. They are very Orthodox which is good, and treat the sacraments with great reverence and respect - but there are downsides!
The founder claimed a different ‘noble’ type name addition ‘de balaguer’ and Marquess title ... how can a vain man become a saint and seduce so many weak blinded people...
Follow the money OPUS DEI has deep pockets like Skull and Bones, They are exclusive not inclusive. They put up a lot of money to Fast track the Founder to Saint hood lots of people scratched their heads on that one.
@@PBXVIILY Yes, they pulled all sorts of shenanigans to get him canonized. I think they were behind getting rid of the Devils Advocate. They were allowed to block Any witnesses that they didn't want, one of whom was Miguel Fizac who had been in the work since the beginning and had known Escriva well, the other was Carmen Tapia who also had worked closely with him. 40% of the Testimony about his sanctity was given by Don Alvaro de Portillo who was his spiritual director for 40 plus years and bound by the seal of confession.
Dominie Mary Stemp and they can’t even go to family funerals, no pictures of blood family allowed in a numeracy’s bedroom, indeed they ask pocket money and give everything... because they have to, not because they want or because of Christ, a big price to belong to something to shine up ones lives with elitism
Like members of many religious orders, numerary members live as if having everything in common, in the biblical sense. If you have a problem with that, you have a problem with Acts 2:44-45.
Hi Diego. To recycle a previous comment: Your implication "Opus Dei is a Godly organization made up of some very flawed individuals" is an acceptable line of reasoning when discussing the Church in general, but Opus Dei is not synonymous with the Church. The more accurate statement for Opus Dei should be: Opus Dei is a very flawed organization made up of victims, most of whom are trying to be Godly. See also the replies to our compadre's posts directly above yours. Pax
@@peterquerciagrossa9675 I totally disagree. 1. Opus Dei is not very flawed organisation. It's just an organisation whose purpose and means has been accepted by the Church as good: in line with Vatican II and with the general mission of the Church. 2. Their members are not victims. They are normal people sho try. You cannot judge an organisation by the actions of few members who have done something that is condemned by the organisation. In this regard the parallel with the whole Church is appropriate and accurate; and therefore, the change of 'the way you look at the organisation' based on isolated incidents is just ridiculous. The only way to honestly change your opinion about an organisation is to get to know something you ignored about her constitution, rules or spirit that you did not know about. But this is not the case neither with opus dei nor with with the Church.
@@diegomercier I understand that you find useful direction and meaning from those in Opus Dei with whom you associate. But at the same time, you should consider the points of those negatively affected who do not share your experience. You are missing the point that the organization should not be judged by its members at all but by its effects. And just because some of its members find and transmit positive effects does not give carte blanche to ignore the negative aspects of the organization itself. "Approved by the Church and founded by a Saint" is irrelevant. Both temporal determinations were decreed by committees, justified by neither their coincidence with Vatican II nor, for that matter, the entirely irrelevant appeal to the "infallibility" of Vatican I. So no, Opus Dei is neither a shadow of the Church nor its parallel.
@@peterquerciagrossa9675 This makes more sense. I never said we should ignore the negative aspects. I say that 'changing the way you look at an organisation like Opus Dei or the Church' based on the behaviour of few members is ridiculous. And it is ridiculous. What you say now about paying attention about negative things also makes sense but it's a different story.
If Christine is so troubled by Opus Dei members having their incoming and outgoing mail read, she should check religious orders who did that for centuries. But she should also ask herself how she (or Michael Voris) would jump at the chance to have such total access to the correspondence of one of their targets like Cupich. Perhaps if someone reliable had been monitoring McCarrick's personal correspondence, he would not have been ordained or got anywhere in seminary. I say bring back that rule - for seminarians.
Turning over your mail for your spiritual director to read... I'm pretty sure that my Trappist Uncle had to do that before some Vatican II reforms of the order (now they talk some more, too, instead of using sign language as before, and chant the office in English, not Latin). My uncle the Trappist is not allowed to receive or write mail during Lent, I believe or other penitential times. I'm pretty sure it was an ancient practice in religious orders. Perhaps if all these gay priests and bishops had an orthodox superior supervising THEIR correspondence, they wouldn't have got away with so much sexual predation and other wickedness.
I highly doubt these practices existed in original Trappist ways. Many of the orders today have brought on new and foreign ideas that are actually contrary to The Faith and the original foundation. They are very sick. And who cares what sorts of forms of self torture these people do- does that make one Holy? What did the apostles do that is like it? And how does the command and Scriptorial phrase, “treat others as you would treat yourself” work out when one whips, starves themselves for “God”?!! They whip and starve others “for God”. That’s how it works out.
MTR members of OD are all Catholics. Types: celibates or married. The celibates can be numeraris, who live in centers, or agregados (in Spanish; I don’t know the translation into English) who live in their own homes.
Opus Dei don't say the Tridentine Mass. You got that wrong. ('Latin Mass' does not necessarily mean 'Tridentine Mass'. Opus Dei (with whom I'm not associated) say the Novus Ordo Mass, sometimes in Latin (Novus Ordo can be said in Latin, or at least could), but not the Tridentine Mass. Two different things. I'm afraid this may be the reason for the mix up.)
Finally!! Coming to your senses. Opus Dei is evil and it’s founder is no saint. And that wasn’t even his real name. Randy Engel’s work on Opus Dei is great.
If. My brother molested a child .he would face my wrath..which would be worse than anything the Church or secular police could do.and yet there is the forgiveness aspect. Still, he would take a real good trimming from me
It is not a CULT. It might have been better if you had involved someone from Opus Dei in the discussion? The Catholic Church is a church of sinners - thank God - so that folk like me are welcomed in. It should not be a surprise there are sinners in Opus Dei? We invited a priest to dinner (1966) and it would have been convenient for my wife to collect him in our car. He refused. It was not appropriate for him to be alone with a woman. Much later, a priest was hearing children's confessions ... the door of the room was left open with a parent, out of earshot, observing to ensure nothing untoward happened. Are you perfect? I have been in contact with Opus Dei for over 60 years and I would take issue with much of your statements.
David Hogg you have been in contact... that does not mean you have got anything at all of the deep state... Brilliant lights and the deepest shadows all together.
@@isasala9111 " that does not mean you have got anything at all of the deep state." ... how do you know what I got and what I did not get ... you have some superior knowledge? "Brilliant lights and the deepest shadows all together." .... what, on earth, is this supposed to mean? The truth will make you free.
@@isasala9111 On the contrary, if there is any truth in your accusations, let them be exposed. We Catholics do not fear the truth, since only the truth will makes us (and anybody else) free (John 8:32)
Momento mori is latin for remember your death. It is a reminder that we are mortal, that our end could come at any time, and that we should live as though we could be at the judgement seat at any moment. If you are in a state of Grace and leading a good Christian Life you have nothing to fear. If not, you should focus on conversion back to right relation with God.
Very interesting program. I am not a member of OD but I use to attend some of their meetings here in Brazil. They treat me very well and they do not make any pressure to become a member. They invited me once, in the past, I said no and that was it. But there are some unexplained points and certain obligations that I don't like - for example, having spiritual direction with the numeraries. I don't like It and I don't do It. But members have no option. But I am curious: what that skull stands for? Thanks for all, I love you, guys. Regards from Brazil!
Oi Daniela. Sou do Opus Dei e nunca fui obrigado a fazer direção espiritual com os numerários. Posso fazer com os padres da Obra também, não há problema algum. A Obra tem diversas maneiras de formação, sendo que uma delas apenas é a direção espiritual. Até a confissão, na espiritualidade da Obra, é tida como uma formação, pois o sacerdote sempre dá conselhos após a absolvição. Fique com Deus e com a Virgem Maria! 🙂
If there was a cover up, it could be on both sides, I would think that if one of both people sinned, they, either one wouldn’t want to expose it. Targeting people with money is not true, there are are people of all walks of life, since the very poor to any other situation. People in OpusDei all work, especially numeraries and the priests. The financial support is according to the situation of each member. You are saying many lies. You don’t have true information. How dare you compare us to The Legionarios? Defamation!!!
I attended Opus Dei in Maracaibo, Venezuela. They definitely felt cultish. The friend who invited me ending up married to one of the members, they are lesbian living in Canada now
Their overpriced "non-profit" schools in Nairobi have lots of land and a tiny enrollment. Pretty selfish in a city with a severe shortage of land and a high fertility rate that they promote.
Opus Dei in the Philippines is still very pure. There are some beautiful, inspirational people involved in that organization here.
are you a member already? i am planning to join. i just messaged them and they asked me to talk to an Opus Dei priest which they will provide
@@allanagravante890 Poor you!!!
Allan Agravante my wife was a member. I have close friends also members in Los Angeles in the US.
I am a cooperator. Nothing but good things. I’ve been involved with them for 3 years. They’ve facilitated me to become a better Catholic: a better father, husband, and lover of our God
No. Considering the human trafficking and snuff films and organ trafficking and they would never admit to being Opus Dei members and Jesuit money laundering.
As a member of Opus Dei, I had only experienced real love for lithurgy and for Christ and Virgin Mary in every moment I was in the Opus Dei centers. Nothing more than that. People in the cultural center I go are passionate for the Catholic Church and for the Magisterium. There's real Love there, real Catholic formation, and I'm a living witness of that.
I’m not in Opus Dei but I was unwillingly unknowingly being recruited and I spent time there. While I don’t doubt the desires of those there to give God their best, the fact is that the pressure that this group drives creates a very perverse “love” for Mary, Christ and The Church. It’s not real, it’s a feigned pressurized “love” that is actually a form of self serving with the guise of piety. It can seem or appear as love, but it’s really not. It’s a sick group very akin to how North Koreans worship their leader, Scientology, Jehovah Witnesses and other cults. It’s a perverse form of Christianity/Catholicism
That's why the devil wants to destroy it
Escriva was full of it.
@@sonofhibbs4425 Absolutely Right! Read Also my comment please son Of Hibbs.
@@sonofhibbs4425 I am an Orthodox Christian, and I love to be in Opus Dei Church, and be around the members.
As a follow up, you should invite a spokesperson from Opus Dei to your show and ask him/her questions to clarify concerns that you may have and that were brought up in this segment. Please do so.
Agreed. Completely agreed.
I also agree. That is professional and honest journalism.
It would be fair.
While you’re at it maybe you should check out all the other Catholic organizations not only Catholic how about Mason how about protestants all over the world does this make anybody feel any better?
Why are you defending Opus Dei so arduously, are you a member? That is not ok. The work of this team is already professional journalism. Raising legitimate questions is professional and fair
@@cb885 I am not an Opus Dei member, neither I am a Catholic Christian, but I love and pray in Opus Dei Church and I am around Her members a lot. I wonder why no one is talking and criticizing the Jesuit order which is now converted to a sexual, political, muslim, buddist club. OPUS DEI stays truthful to CHRIST's teachings and Christian values. No OPUS DEI CHURCH or member celebrates Ramadan in front of CRUSIFIX. like some Jesuit Churhes do. You want facts, I have plenty.
Hi I am a member of Opus Dei for the last 30 years and nobody decides how much I give but muy wife and myself.
I really think Opus Dei now is very open to the public, you can find everything on the web. And that I like. If you are here todo do good there is nothing to hide.
God bless you and keep the good work, we need you. I listen yo you every day. Thanks.
I appreciate the attempt not to color the entirety of a very large organization with the sinful behavior of some of its members. It would be unrealistic to think that an organization the size of OD would be exempt from the effects of our fallen nature. Although not a member, my experience with OD through retreats, etc., has been universally positive and I encourage everyone to look at the good done by OD and take advantage of their evenings/mornings of recollection which have been an absolute blessing for me and my marriage, rearing of children, work life, etc.
OD is a great Catholic organisation, if you want a strong and authentic formation, I can't think of a better organisation to join. It may not be for everyone but its is still one organisation I will hopefully join with my family in the future.
I have family members and friends who have been members for 30yrs plus, I have been invited and attended a lot of their activities, monthly recollections and all. I had an Opus Dei priest as spiritual director at one time (highly recommended).
They may have few bad apples but that doesn't represent the overall organisation and the wonderful work and formation they give to thousands of Catholic across the world.
My experience and that of members I know personally are very positive.
At last a sincere comment coming from first hand direct experience instead of prejudice and suppositions.
No, not “authentic”, it’s contrived and twisted.
The 'leaders' of Opus Dei, and those who benefit from their immense wealth are not that candid ... Believe me
As of any scandal, it is important to notice that someone's evil actions don't make the Church nor any of her Institutions "evil", anymore than Judas betrayal didn't make the Apostles "evil". Opus Dei has no doctrine of it's own but the Catholic Church doctrine and the Pope's teachings. It is a spiritual way intended to ordinary lay Christians living and working in the World. This said, it is important to know that more than 80% of Opus Dei members are married men and women living ordinary lifes. In Opus Dei spirituality there is a very strong sense of respect for personal liberty and it's consequent personal responsibilities, which contradicts this cult-type idea that some people confuse with the simple sense of fidelity to higher ideals. In the effort and struggle of being better Christians it is comforting to find loving ones that support you and offer their lifes, as Opus Dei members do, to help others find their happiness in the sanctity of ordinary life.
There’s a sickness that starts to brew when that comfort you speak of starts to mean more than one’s actual relationship with God, or rather replaces ones moral duty to God. It so happens most eventually defer to their leaders and other members of their organization AS if it were God, and so follow a culture instead of God Himself. This is the foibles of being human and are demonstrated quite well in such psychological tests such as the Milgrim and the Stanford prison experiments. Therefore, people should be very aware of the reasons behind what they do or agree to regarding being obedient to a leader. If not, there’s real trouble- sometimes and sadly often, heinous. There is definitely power in a well organized obedient group, but at what cost? Especially if they all are blindly following their group, which Jesus warned others NOT to do.
I feel you should be talking about individuals and their actions rather than the organisation of Opus Dei. I lived happily for 12 months in an Opus Dei hostel in London, back in 1975 as a 19 year old student. At the end of the year, my room mate gave her life to the organisation as a numinary but I didn't, as I knew my vocation was marriage (even though I didn't meet my husband for another 10 years!). At no time was I pressured to stay or mistreated in any way and only ever experienced kindness and respect from the Opus Dei members I had lived with. I even returned to visit that particular room mate 40 years later, along with my children (she is now the Directress of an Opus Dei house) and we had a precious time, reminiscing.
Thank You.
Kindness considering no one reported me missing and Pinochet was involved and they use the term The Family for Jesuit Code of Silence.
I have been an OpusDei member since about 30 years ago. There has never been any impropriety between anyone, especially between the women and the priests! When we have confession there is a special room for the priest, separate from the one who is being confessed, and getting spiritual guidance, communicating only through a small window completely covered up. You can just hear, not see.
About inappropriate behavior, we at OpusDei hardly talk to the priests, and when so, always accompanied by others. There is a very spiritual respect.
If this situation happened, it’s completely out of context of how OpusDei members act. We hardly want to look at the face of the priests because of respect.
So don’t disrespect a whole beautiful prelature because of one case, or is there more? Be careful of making a witch-hunt of a community that searches the struggle for saintly life.
Hi. Do you know there is no secret in confession inside Opus Dei? All you said was written, said to the director and sent in Rome.
Read "Inside Opus Dei" by Maria del Carmen Tapia.
I am Catholic and very sad this sect could exist and lead Vatican today.
But you don't see that the problem is precisely that! That rigidity, I mean, why not to look at the face of a priest? Wouldn't you look at the face of your father? I just don't understand
Manuel Cociña.
The Alzheimer’s could definitely have affected Fr McCloskey’s behavior even 10-15 years ago. A close relative of mine who also died of Alzheimer’s exhibited some “groping” many years before he became severely compromised-a behavior he in is right mind would have abhorred. This raises another question about the handling of priests suffering from dementia. It’s very hard to recognize the early stages.
I am not opus dei . I admirer their mission. Most of the abuse now is people getting in to the priest hood when they know they are beset by demons but fail to acknowledge or deal with them. When they are confronted by pressures their demons slither out. The utube depositions by Archbishop Nienstede shows the end result which is a callous disregard for the pain of their neglect and abuse.
To Caroline, I am a resident in a nursing home and have witnessed as well as has been groped by dementia patients.
Many of these patients have exhibited abnormal behaviour many years prior to the diagnosis as have patients with CJD and Kuru.
@@justjacqueline2004 in retrospect I can say the same for my own mother prior to her official Alzheimer's diagnosis. Uncharacteristic behaviors were present.
good post
I dont understand the " protect the family at all costs " thing. If someone is commiting a crime , then you are disgracing the family and need to be held accountable !
Agreed, sounds very Mafia like almost
You would not only be disgracing the family but also pull people away from the word of God which is supposed to be coming from this family and inspire others to join.
Opus Dei is a great Catholic organization and a blessing to the Catholic Church and the world. I have been involved with Opus Dei in New York, Miami and Vienna and all I can do is praise them! I’m not a member but for years I took advantage of their spiritual formation groups, monthly days of recollection and retreats. They are solid orthodox Catholics and they deliver quality formation and a great message about the need to sanctify your life, work and the world all for God. The priests are superb! So there have been a few rotten apples in the giant barrels all over the world ... well that is to be expected from human nature, but they are few and far between Unlike the Jesuits who are overwhelmingly heretical and filled with homosexuals unfortunately. But these two go together often: heresy and deviant sexuality. I’m sorry to see that you are even discussing Opus Dei because of 2 or so few cases of misconduct. I love Opus Dei and feel blessed to have learned so much from them, their teaching and their witness. They are solid and good! God bless Opus Dei and all their members. May the organization be fruitful and multiply!
Beth Watkins brilliant lights and deepest shadows all together. And the first ones in no way can justify the last ones
@@isasala9111 "Beth Watkins brilliant lights and deepest shadows all together", like any other Catholic institution, of course. If you are looking for pure holiness, don't look for it in the Catholic Church. But, before you leave it, please tell me where to look for it, and I do solemnly promise, I will follow you.
There will always be problems, even in the best of places, the Church is always in need of constant reform.
It is true that predators can also be found in Traditionalist circles, in fact there is a lot of spiritual pride in many of these circles.
Actually any human abuse from within and from outside of any church against anyone should be corrected as soon as possible especially the concerned parties are still living, a prayer from the Philippines 🙏💓 🇵🇭
I got my formation through Opus Dei and was baptized because of their formation. I'm happy that I was formed by a very Orthodox group.
But I also have to admit that they use hard sell in spreading the faith. My friend will always say that they are the Catholic version of Born Again sect in terms on how they spread the faith.
I'm not a member of Opus Dei. I'm considered as a "friend" of Opus Dei, not even an associate. But between Opus Dei and the Jesuits, there is no comparison. I will choose Opus Dei anytime.
I’m sorry you think OD is so extreme.
My experience is the opposite. They are so faithful to the Pope - it’s almost unpleasant for those who don’t like this pope.
St Josemaria preached to love the Pope.
I love Opus Dei. I am not a member but cooperator. It is not a cult. Traditional orthodox Catholics who have a lot of protocols that protect the Laity. They made a mistake with handling of Fr CJ but they do a lot of good
Odile Glatz nobody said it is a cult, but that they have cultish or cult-like behaviors. If you take the lust of the 10 characteristics of a cult, I can tell you OD fits in at least 5 or 6. Of course they have good even great things, but those great things don’t justify in any way the bad ones. And honestly, saying that OD is far better than other insttitutions in the Church is ridiculous: each case is dramatic a d deserves justice a d no cover up.
PS: as a cooperator you know nothing about about the deep state, you just know the beautiful external appearance, for you to stay close and contribute with your money (and prayers...)
Odile Glatz you have no idea man, cooperators are kept out of the shady secretive elements
@@isasala9111 in the interest of space I didnt mention I went to an Opus Dei school ( no one pushing an agenda) my husband is a member, my parents , and my sister. Not shady.
@@SJ72BE to keep it shorter, I didnt mention I went to an Opus Dei School (no one pushed an agenda) , my husband is a member, my parents, and my sister. Not shady.
I know very well Opus Del as I was member from the age of 16 until 20 in Spain. It didn't work for me. I don't have any contact with any member for many years but I don't have anything bad to say about them. Overall good experience I think.
Nuria CB you can only be member from 18 yr man, preparatory time is not membership but illegal indoctrination
S Jan so they have hundreds of illegals. Or maybe no, maybe they tell them they are members when in fact they are not. Which means they could change their mind and leave but they don’t do it because they think they are members and that would not be loyal to God... They are expert in doing such things; I experienced it first hand
With the same criterion expressed by Jan and Sala, nobody could be a member of any club, religion or any nation until you turn 18 (it sounds like Communism to me). As long as there is freedom to leave and freedom in general, I don't see anything wrong in belonging to a religious organization, club, etc, when your are below 18. If there is something wrong with the freedom issue, let it be fixed/corrected. Let us not forget that Jesus, like any other Jew of the time, went through a ceremonial religious membership when he turned 12 years of age.
BTW, in this respect, OD is no making any innovation; it was a common practice for centuries to join an order at an early age, including minor seminaries. Yet, it's my underestimating, that minimum ages are being/have been bumped up in many countries to make them more agreeable with modern-culture standards (e.g. 100 years ago, for a woman marrying at 15 was considered acceptable/very good, as it was the case of one of my great, great grand mothers).
@@SJ72BE No, you can commit your life to the organization, and you live with your parents until the age of 18 when you leave.
Nuria CB no no no, their internal limit is 18, you have been lied to, 16-18 year is indoctrination prep period. Especially worrisome for future numerary members
It’s an excellent vocation for laymen. More people should look into it because it helps them to sanctify every moment of the day and turn it into prayer without doing anything weird.
The way to sanctify every moment in our life and turn it into prayer is.. to pray! To put ourselves in front of the face of Jesus and pray silently. There is no other way. Also, the vocation of being a laymen is either to be married, or to be single. A minor vocation can be a lay consecration within a religious order. Opus dei is not a religious order, therefore it is NOT a vocation. A vocation is a solemn promise to God that implies vows, Opus Dei does not require vows, therefore, according to canon law and catholic teaching, it CANNOT be called a vocation.
The ad for Opus del...should be what all Catholics should be striving to....3rd order groups,
Various Religious orders,
Carmelites, Dominicans, Franciscans .....etc, are All called to a Higher calling.
Lay Brothers, or Men called to the
Diaconate, are all following a Calling.
Dear Frank, you are exactly right, but maybe you missed a nuance, allow me to share my personal thoughts. Opus Dei is an institution that aims to help normal cristians to seek the universal christian vocation through ordinary life. It has this specific mission. When it appeared in 1928 this was a substantially forgotten message that was only fully remembered after the second Vatican council, much with the help of the founder's percursor work. So you are right, that's what all Catholics should be striving to. Opus Dei simply tries to remember this universal calling to holyness to everyone and aims to help anyone who seeks help to find God through their normal life, not just "despite their normal life". It has this secular focus slightly different from religious orders which are called to find God leaving the worldly tasks - also a necessary and noble vocation to many. That doesn't mean there aren't many more institutions which can also help to do this with their specific spirituality. That's the richness of the Church. Opus Dei has its own spirituality, highly focused in ordinary life for ordinary people. God bless.
@@whistles28 nicely said.
Blessings ! I posted a very brief comment, and lumped a bunch together....not the best way of
Communicating.
Also, as far as a Deacon, You are still living , working, etc, in the secular World, but You are called to live a Conserated Life as well.
I'm a cradle Catholic and I was educated in Catholic schools in the decade of the sixties. I go to confession and seldom miss going to mass . I pray the rosary every night and have for many years . I was married for 35 years to my only love until her passing almost a decade ago . What has happened to my church has not affected my faith but it makes me sick to think that Satan lives deep within its walls. Only upon Christs return will a true cleansing come
And Benedictine oblates!
10:26 "openness is always better." Uh, no, not always. A priest friend/colleague of mine was wrongly accused of abuse around 2008. Even though he was eventually "vindicated," he has never been allowed to return to public ministry for fear his presence would incite more trouble for the diocese. He was recently offered medical retirement by his diocese. Throughout the entire ordeal he has accepted this suffering and encouraged friends to not make a fuss, as this is God's will for him. His reputation and priesthood have been marred forever by the mere accusation of abuse.
I don't think accusations should be made public until there is highly credible evidence leading to a trial or whatever. All our priests have bullseyes on their backs right now.
My Brothers & Sisters, please don't let convenient labels and categories like "liberal," "conservative," "modernist" or "traditionalist" blind or deceive you. There are sinners of every sort, everywhere within the Holy Roman Catholic Church. She, as the Mystical Bride of Jesus Christ, is perfect. However, the human members that are part of Her, are not.
I know for a fact that it is/was practice among members of the opposite sex in Opus Dei at least when the women needed to be in the presence of a Priest to use the buddy system and not enter a room unless there was two of them. This to protect the priest as well. I have to wonder about the opportunity that allowed this instances to occur. I would say Opus Dei has a lot to offer and teach however it is NOT for everyone.. I can say this, I learned most of what I know about being Catholic from the Catholic school of Opus Dei and they are as you say very orthodox and did well teaching BUT I am waiting for more from them on this Pope but I also remember that Opus Dei is producing some very strong Catholic Families and the survival of the church sits on these families
In the case of Fr. CJM, what made the accusations and/or the purported events possible was that the diocese of Washington DC unexpectedly granted to OD the CIC (Catholic Information Center). It took a while for OD to make the building complaint with OD’s rules. The main error of OD was not to do that right away. Note that Fr. CJM always denied the accusations and has been mentally incapacitated for a long time.
Agreed. About Francis: I also expected a lot but I long ago realized they will say nothing. They are experts is praising everybody if that allows them to follow their way. Different thing is what they say in the inner circles
@@isasala9111 They will say nothing, yes, but not for the reasons you seem to think. Like the Jesuits, OD has a quasi vow to obey and love the Pope not matter who he is. It is part of its foundation charisma, i.e., it comes from God. This does not mean that they should defend error (if it happened, whoever did it, would have to be corrected, like any Catholic who does something wrong).
No need to join Opus Dei to come closer to Jesus. For my part I just pledged fidelity to Jesus through Mary. I don't need somebody to drain my hard earned money which will be of some use to my children and grand-children. More I don't like their elitist way of thinking : those who are born poor must accept and stay in this condition and serve the 'aristocratic' members of the community.
Class is a real problem in the Church NOT spoken about.
Christians must do what God asks them to do: those called to Opus Dei, should serve God in Opus Dei; those called to serve God as Jesuits, should serve God as faithful Jesuits; those called to serve God as Carmelite nuns, should serve God as a good contemplative Carmelite nuns; and those like you, Roland, called to simply "pledged fidelity to Jesus through Mary", should simply pledged fidelity to Jesus through Mary, and that's perfect! It is a matter of conscience, we should all respect. Some people seem to have a problem with this...
How do you know if you are called to the priesthood for instance ? What about all those Judas like McCarrick who joined, were they REALLY called ? All souls are to be saved and called to sanctify themselves, that is the only thing I am sure about. Even in the world, as a spouse and parent many ordeals shall cross your path, if you are mentally close to Jesus and Mary you can gather plenty of spiritual wealth.
How do I know? Ask them, not me. However, both you and I must always respect freedom of conscience; if they feel called, we must respect that.
About McCarrick: was he called? I don't know, but he perfectly could have and later turn traitor, like Judas did, who was certainly called by Jesus to be one of the 12 apostles.
About salvation and sanctification: we Catholics believe it is the work of the Holy Spirit, through grace--and the way God wants, not the way we want. Claiming that you can sanctify yourself is the old Pelagian heresy.
About the rest, I fully and strongly agree with you.
Thank you!
@@rolandrabier5984 Judas was called by Christ and yet he betrayed him. That the use of their personal freedom resulted in serious sin against the God who called them doesnt call into question the origin of their vocation. The heart is where the battle between good and evil happens. Are priests or anyone with a vocation above and beyond this struggle ? They have a heart still.
Opus Dei, in Ireland at least, is strongly supportive of Pope Francis, and one gets the impression that the support would continue regardless of what the pope would say or do.
There are very good and devout people in the movement, but it tends to scout for members among the wealthy professionals
Muriel Kinsella they are only interested in keeping the power (and they have a lot) and not being bothered in their business. They are publicly super fond of Francis, of course they are. A very different thing is what they comment within the centers when only numeraris are there...
Muriel Kinsella Opus Dei & the jesuits do not go together, anything that looks likes support is window dressing
I'm sure you're right about that. And to be honest, I don't know enough about OD to give a definitive view one way or the other. All I can say is I find them a tad suffocating , at least thats the impression i got when I went for an interview to one of their houses in Dublin , many, many years ago.
I know a couple of very devout members, and they are charity itself. But I also know of those who found it very cultish.
're Pope Francis and OD, they appear to be almost ultramontaine. I went to confession to one of their priests and as I was leaving the box he told me to pray 'in thanksgiving for the gift of PF as pope'! I've been receiving the sacrament of confession, on and off for over 50 years, and under 5 popes, no priest ever asked to me to honour the other 4 in that unique way!
@@murielkinsella3526had you discussed contempt for the papacy or worry about orthodoxy in the confession?
@@minui8758 I don't have 'contempt for the papacy' and I try to follow the Catechism of the Catholic Church (although I don't always succeed in some areas as I'm a sinner) so I'm orthodox in principle. I have nothing but total conviction in the truth of the Catholic faith. Have you?
They keep using the words “cover up” concerning McCloskey even though the reporter with the beard never indicated that Opus Dei participated in a cover up. Opus Dei came to an out-of-court settlement and paid the accuser. Then they kept it quiet. But that’s normal and not a nefarious cover up. They then, at her behest, went public with her struggle with McCloskey.
"Out of court settlement," "kept it quite" and "paid money." Wow! It doesn't sound like a nefarious cover-up at all 🙄
Fr Rocky from Relevant Radio is an Opus Dei priest who people should keep an eye on... he’s an advocate for the oligarchy hierarchy
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I am no expert on Opus Dei, but in the online circles I frequent, Opus Dei is considered to be a really fundamental part of the Vatican 2 Church ideology, much of which runs in opposition to the Traditional Catholic Faith. Although it was formed a good decade before the Vatican 2 council itself, it's founder, Escriva, practiced and promoted many of the modernist principles which echo of Freemasonry. These include promoting One World government, admittance of Communists to Catholic groups without asking them to renounce Communism, and a friendliness to documents such as V2 which subvert the teaching of the Catholic Church as the one true religion necessary for salvation.
As mentioned I am not an expert. What seems to be clear, however, is that even flirting with the religious indifferentism heresy leads to demonically inspired sexual perversion. Certainly that is true in the conciliar Church and from all appearances Opus Dei is intertwined in the middle of it. If I'm wrong please let me know and why.
Middle I am confident you are mistaken. OD is so dedicated to traditional Catholic doctrine and teaching!
@@paulkiernan2632 You can't be Traditional Catholic without the Traditional Latin Mass. It's the key to everything.
Op us Die is staunchly anti-Communist.
Sorry, but all it takes is to do some serious research since everything is open to the public, and you'll find out by yourself how wrong you sadly are.
As of any scandal, it is important to notice that someone's evil actions don't make the Church nor any of her Institutions "evil", anymore than Judas betrayal didn't make the Apostles "evil". Opus Dei has no doctrine of it's own but the Catholic Church doctrine and the Pope's teachings. It is a spiritual way intended to ordinary lay Christians living and working in the World. This said, it important to know that more than 80% of Opus Dei members are married men and women living ordinary lifes. In Opus Dei spirituality there is a very strong sense of respect for personal liberty and it's consequent personal responsibility, which contradicts this cult-type idea that some people confuse with the simple sense of fidelity to higher ideals. In the effort and struggle of being better Christians it is comforting to find loving ones that support you and offer their lifes, -as Opus Dei members do- to help others find their happiness in the sanctity of ordinary life.
I am quite familiar with Opus Dei. Not a member, but a close friend of one who is. Self flagellation is not conducive to child sexual abuse.
I Am a member of Opus Dei. I have found it to increase holiness in my faith and my working life. It fits my life. My prayers are with Fr McClusky. He had been my Spiritual Advisor and very faithful to the teachings of the Catholic Church. Richard Flatley Jr.
Is The Holy Spirit not enough of an advisor for you that you have to turn towards a man with accolades behind his name?
How do you know it actually increased “holiness” or does it just psychologically feel that way? All people in cults FEEL a certain sense of improvement because they expect as such. If they didn’t expect it, they would not have joined. Did Jesus not warn people of seeking a certain form of self satisfaction regarding any holiness they perceive in themselves? Even St Joan of Arc claimed she did not know whether or not she was a wretched sinner or holy but placed that judgement in God’s hands alone. Our judgements upon our own holiness are flawed. We are not to GRASP for it. Philippians 2:6.
@@sonofhibbs4425
Why then did Our Lord ask Paul (then Saul) to go meet with a human to receive directions on what to do?
Why did the Holy Spirit ask Philip to go meet the Ethiopian Eunuch instead of a direct encounter with the Eunuch?
Why did the early converts to Christianity need the Apostles?
Why not a direct encounter with the Holy Spirit?
If you answer these questions honestly, you will see that God desires to work through humans as co-operators, as weak as we are, and is something we should be grateful for and not abhor.
How about prayers for the victim you evil jerk
I have found the most spiritual happiness, friendship and help, always treating us to the way of Jesus Christ. I’m very disappointed in Church Militant for seeking scandal in such a pure Prelature. I can understand that there is a terrible situation for this matter, but you seem to want to generalize in a defamatory way.
It’s a pity, I admire your organization, but this is not good.
Can you have a download on the Focolare also... thanks
You are pointing out specific problems within a 100 thousand members Institution widely spread Worldwide. What do you expect? Being an Opus Dei member or priest of such doesn't make you instantly an Angel, and as this Institution, thankfully to God grows, more problems and issues will obviously arise. The point is that concrete steps are taken towards fixing problems as has happened. How about showing as well and talking publicly about the overwhelming thousands of testimonies of priests, numeraries and other members living fully plentiful enjoyable lifes instead of casting shadows for very specific sad cases that fortunately are not nearly abundant?
Exactly. I sense a bit of envy here: I was never invited to be part of Opus Dei as a prominent member of my profession and a high-profile defender of the faith, so let's attack Opus Dei. There's sometimes a bit of envy, I think, in Michael Voris's attacks on certain people (like Bp Barron) that perhaps he's not aware of leaking out in the extreme animus he shows against some people/groups on very small grounds.
@@FigaroHey As the say Tells: "Truth Doesn't Sin But Annoys" So, don´t watch It.
It’s plain and simple all the saints who started their orders were good and holy people so we have to discern we’ll but as I say this is a battle between heaven and hell so we have to pray and fast as this is spiritual warfare the more people pray and fast the church will be better but when we ourselves get laxer that when Satan takes an upper hand . I have a son who is an Opus Dei member . They also do have some good grooming for spirituality so for that I’m grateful because the world seriously getting worse spiritually so they have done a good job in my son
The allegations against the Opus Dei priest, Rev. C. John McCloskey, are, of course, extremely distressing and disappointing. It is interesting, however, that not long after Father C. John perpetrated these disgusting assaults, he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease, which subsequently incapacitated him. Not to make excuses for Father C. John's behavior, but sometimes in the early stages of Alzheimer's, people say and do things that are out of character; things they wouldn't ordinarily say or do. This is because the Alzheimer's beginning to deprive them of the filters for their words and actions. (Just sayin')
Eleven years in prison sounds like a more reasonable sentence than the two or three years handed out to some of the clergy in North America. Should be longer but at least it's a step in the right direction.
I just read about the McCloskey situation. The woman who filed the complaint didn’t disclose her name! Yet she said that the priest “ groped “ her several times! If so, why did she go back to see him?
Why didn’t she denounce him immediately?
Also as I said, there is a confessional, very private and separate.
For the sexual whatever to happen, they must have been in the same room!
It seems like it was consensual.
Also if seems that the whole life of the priest was ruined.
This doesn’t happen in OpusDei!
Many parishes have no traditional confessional, but rather a reconciliation room where you’re face to face with the priest.
A Large 'Urah' coming your way Simon,
A scarred, but still undefeated 'ol soldier of Christ....
I just watched this irresponsible reporting that implies that the organization is not good.
1st in regards to the priest in Spain, please provide the evidence that was provided to the Opus Dei investigators and whether their was any different that was presented to the Spanish court. I would ask if all people in prison are guilty.
Give us the facts not just your opinions.
Like you I am not a member of Opus Dei, but have benefitted from their spirituality via attending Evenings of Recollections in the Ann Arbor area. I have NEVER felt any pressure to join. No cult stuff observed by me personally in 20+ years.
Please let us know how many faithful practicing Catholic members, priests, Numeraries, Supranumeraries of Opus Dei did you interview prior to this broadcast.
Thank you.
Maybe you can make research and post to debunk anything as another source not affiliated to CM.
@@ahcmontanez I don't possess the monies or facilities that Church Militant has access to conduct such a investigation.
Just because Ms. Niles & others have found the behavior of some Catholic people who happened to be associated with Opus Dei to be difficult with doesn't mean every member possesses the same negativity.
Do I have to remind you that Jesus himself picked 3 of the 12 apostles that weren't completely without sin esp. Judas.
I would be very disappointed in Opus Dei leadership if they choose to hide crimes committed of whatever nature.
Most most most of people in prison, at least in Spain are guilty. Yes. Or you don’t trust in the judicial system? Or you only trust when they do what you think is ok? In Spain there are judicial guarantees. The abuser was not a priest but he was an OD member, lay. He has appealed to the Supreme Court, and we have to wait for the result. But for the time being he is comdemned, period.
@@isasala9111 Fine, but it is well know that Spain has become a virulently anti-Catholic country--desecration of churches and tabernacles included (and of course, not reported by the media). Therefore, prudence must be used in such cases, since its judicial system is not very reliable.
Given the concerns about ‘protecting the family’ and how important it is to be transparent and through in investigating allegations of abuse or impropriety, I wonder if Church Militant would be willing to share their written plan for when an allegation is made against someone within their organization, or at leas its outline. This would both help frame their expectations for other ministries and perhaps offer guidance for those ministries to better develop their protocols.
The O D priest told me he didn’t like Church Militant and I was told to stop blogging and tweeting - then the head was spying on my tweets - they try and control you - I was a supernumerary
Dominie, when you belong to a religious order, you are bound by its rules. OD is a personal prelature, canonically equivalent to religious order (in many aspects), and as you most likely know, formerly a religious order itself (which is what it was before the code of cannon law of 1982). They were not "spying" on your tweets, since they were public (be careful, this is a very serious calumny...). You freely accepted the contract. If you could not comply with it anymore--and you may have had good valid reasons for it--you should have left. We are all bound by obedience in the Catholic Church. You are probably married; you can't go and have a secret affair with a guy--even if only on tweeter--and next claim the Church is trying to control you if she tells you that what you are doing is not acceptable. Not understanding this basic principle is one of the root problems we have today with crisis in the Church in the liberal West.
Lumen Gloriae I was not told any of these things when I joined - I was deceived - had I been told these rules I would definitely not have joined. I was also told it is most definitely not a religious order . I don’t accept Vatican 2 either. I am Lefebvre supporter - many who left Opus Dei also support sspx - they all had similar experiences to me.
@@dominiemarystemp3442 They told you the truth: OD is a personal prelature, not a religious order (read my last comment more carefully).
If you joined OD not accepting Vatican II, your membership was void and null: you've never been a member, period (stop worrying about it). However, they would have never let you be a member should they have known that (like in any Catholic institution). (BTW, I do respect SSPX).
About they deceiving you, I don't think so. Nobody will ever give you a list of things that you cannot do before joining any Catholic organization, since it would be infinite. They most certainly explained you the charism of the organization (through classes, chats, etc.), and you put yourself under the care of some spiritual director. This person, assessing that the content of your emails was eventually not according to the charism of OD, or that they were off doctrinally, told you couldn’t do that, for which any Catholic religious organization has the right and duty to do. This goes beyond religion. People can't typically do whatever they feel like doing on internet without jeopardizing their jobs if they belong to a corporation, for example. Let alone if they belong to the military, or something like that! (which would be a more fair comparison).
If you thought that you were suddenly called by God to have such internet involvement, that would have meant that that was time for you to leave OD (maybe the will of God had been for you to be there up to that point).
Dominie, please reconsider the whole thing in the presence of God, once more. Obviously, more than one thing went wrong in this whole affair, and there is likely shared responsibility. But your attitude is not the attitude of a Christian. Do you think Jesus would be doing what you are doing? God bless you!
@@lumengloriae6887 were you present when Mary was having her interactions with OD? In claiming that OD was telling her the truth, you imply that she is lying. She is simply relaying her story and it's not for you to say her "attitude is not the attitude of a Christian". Fair question - are you involved with OD?
@@mdfaithfulcatholics7940 I was not present yet I was not implying she was not telling the truth but that she had misunderstood what I had said in my previous comment, as I clearly stated. It is not a Christian attitude to smear an officially Catholic organization with dozens of comments, be it Opus Dei, the Jesuits, IVE, etc., for the alleged/real sins of a few, or even, of the many. There are proper channels for that. As a Catholic, it is my duty to defend them, whenever they are attacked; I don't need to have any involvement in them. If you carefully read all that I wrote, you will see that I was very clear while at the same time being understanding of her case. I did pray a lot for Dominie today, and I wish I could help her more. Thank you for your comment.
Opus Dei is srill Novus Ordo.
Please Simon, I don't think you are being true to yourself in your attempt to be "charitable".
Your blunt self is much more attractive, and it doesn't mean that you are being simplistic, or throwing the baby out with the "bathwater" when you are more forthright.
....one reason why I appreciate Christine is that she consistently calls things by their right name.
I am sorry Church Militant but it is evident you do not know much about Opus Dei. It is most unfair to sit in a group and dish out here say information. For your analysis of OD to be believed you should have had a member of that organisation present so that some of the statements you have made could be clarified and corrected, especially the reference made to the question of money. I have for a long time listened to your programmes with interest but I am afraid you have put some doubts in my mind as to your veracity.
Yiht Sac I know very much about Opus Dei and I can tell you they are speaking the truth, even if just scratching the surface of the whole thing
I agree that to be fair they should have had a member there to dispute, but so it is also that people like yourself touting OD are very often put to the task and therefore not to be trusted. If OD was a group where it lets people speak freely then perhaps all the members and supporters could be trusted in their supportive statements. It’s a bit like listening to North Koreans exclaim their leader is so very very good and nothing bad does he ever do.
You guys have guts to bring Opus Dei to the focus publicly. Congratulations for your courage.
Opus Dei has big lights and huge shadows. They are very orthodox, the liturgy is perfect, they bring many people close to God; all that is great. Most of the members, especially supernumeraris are honest people and many numerari as well. But they are certainly EXPERTS in covering up WHATEVER small thing that may put a stain in the perfect public image of the organization. In words of the Founder, “dirty clothes are cleaned at home”, which means whatever happens it should not trascend. I learnt this cover up thing from Opus Dei and then after the years I came to know the Church was doing the very same. But OD is practicing cover up at professional level; I mean, they are experts in covering up.
And last but not least, they are extremely aggressive in their proselitism. I have a first hand experience on this. I was 15 and wanted to be faithful to the will of God. A priest and several numeraris told me I had vocation to be numerari; I trusted them. After 5 years they “found out” I had no vocation and they sent me back home. Nobody even apologized for that. It is absolutely true EVERYTHING you said in the description about the proselitism, the different members, the assistant numeraris doing inside household jobs getting no salary, etc etc They target intelligence, money, status, family. Or a combination of those. And about the spiritual direction you are also right: you have to have the espiritual direction they fix for you, period. Plus you have to talk weekly with a lay member that also the directors decide for you, period. SUMMARY: there are dark shadows together with brilliant lights.
They are extremely careful with admitting homosexuals or in the relationships of priests with ladies, or of course among the celibate members. It may happen anyway but they do all possible for that not to happen, I can testify on that. What I find disturbing is their professionalism in covering up whatever they consider negative for their corporate image.
If your cover-up accusations are true, expose them. Otherwise, they sound like conspiracy theories.
No member of OD (or any religious order) would ever tell you that you have a vocation. They may tell you that that you may likely have a vocation, but never that you have one. No member of OD (or any religious order) would ever tell you that you do not have a vocation either. By "tell", I mean assure you. Those things belong to a person's conscience. It is a basic principle in Catholic moral theology, and OD is scrutinized, like any religious order (it is a prelature), for such things not to happen. I cannot deny your claims since I was not there, but if they truly happened, they would be extraordinary and irregular events that should be immediately disciplined, following proper ecclesiastical channels.
On the other hand, your attitude of smearing a Catholic organization with such cruelty and cold determination (which could damage the lives of tens of thousands of people) is certainly not Christian, to say the least. I understand your are from Spain... Lot's of anti-Catholic sentiments in your country now-a-days, aren't they? How sad! I will be praying for you.
Diocesan, and active orders or societies of Priests will always have these sorts of issues. Given the current state of society I believe a return to monasticism and parish life being centered around the monastery is the answer to these and many other issues.
I’m so glad you addressed this, I have liked some Priest that are Opus Dei. I do find the organization very cultish almost Masonic. We all remember that Legionnaires Of Christ was Conservative and Orthodox, it was due to Pope Benedict XVI that the founder Marcel was exposed. I also question how the founder leap frogged over many and was fast tracked to Saint hood. Opus Dei uses Love Bombing as a technique to recruit members, I find this disingenuous. OPUS DEI also targets wealthy people, they seem to adhere to a class system.I find the elitist mentality more than a little disturbing. Remember the problems in the Church McCarrick a Mason and they excluded people who were not Homosexuals etc. McCarrick operated the same way Money and connections.
As far as sexual abuse is concerned, this seems to be an epidemic with families schools and other Religious Communities, not just the Catholic Church, no one has escaped this perversity. Sexual abuse is an epidemic today.
In Spain, where the priest who started Opus Dei was born, many Catholics consider It quite cult like.
@@aliciamontero7061 yes, Spain and Italy are the countries where Opus Dei is more active. However, I think most people have only a vague idea about the institution, and don't really know the real reasons why it's considered a cult. I mean, people often relate it to politics and conservadurism, but the unfair and manipulative methods that they use with children aren't very well known.
@@m.j.v.4463 The people I know, quite traditional Catholic ones, would mention manipulation and love bombing are part of the cult like tools.
Opus Dei isn't considered masonic or cultlike by any authoritative body, and it's defined modus operandi as described in its statutes and catechism are blessed by Holy Mother Church.
Please go to a meeting it is open to anyone so you understand.
Opus Dei means “Work of God”.
I think Miss Christine is confusing “Associates” (celibate members who don’t live in Centers....all are Catholic) with “Cooperators” (non-members who support the Work in various ways...don’t have to be Catholic).
How about calling a representative to respond?
The explanations are not correct about what the Work is.
The people involved are not part of a cover-up or any kind of conspiracy. The Work is a very open and transparent institution that does good to many people.
Sure 😈
It is very easy to judge someone from outside.
I think that Opus Dei originally referred to the Divine Office as chanted by monks on the canonical hours. Initially Benedictine monks!
No, I disagree entirely. I am very familiar with The Divine Office, having practiced it. Opus Dei practices are NOTHING like it.
The skull seems a bit morbid
Why is your moderator Peter Lyons removing comments of those who do not agree with you, on your site concerning the article "RICO - Bring it on!" ?
I have taken a screen shot of my replies to him, with "Removed" clearly printed on them.
I was a member and thank God I escaped their clutches - and they are not orthodox either
If possible could you expand on your experience?
Are you a Catholic? You belong to an excommunicated organization
TH-cam will not allow my thumbs up to this video.216, I hit thumbs up, scroll to comments, return to thumbs up and my 217 reduced to 216 again.
Beats the hell out of Yahoo where I think they delete and remove thumbs ups from non-liberals and Catholics, however as a former Opus Dei cooperator I have nothing really bad to say about the Work but one thing; the group tend to be a bit cultish; great group on the whole though I no longer attend meetings.
I am a lay member of Regnum Christi (the lay movement of the Legionaries of Christ). Certainly in the past a lot of abuses were committed. But right now we are a lot more transparent, we promote a free discernment instead of a cult-like recruitment, and, as has always be the case, we promote traditional Catholic orthodoxy, faithful to the Church’s Magisterium. We have shown to be an authentic charism inspired by God, despite our founder’s disgraced life.
Samuel Saad whatever you believe man, it should have been desolved
I’m familiar with Opus Dei. There are some holy members and persons affiliated but a lot of the leadership, educators, and hard core members are absolutely cultish and protective of OD at the expense of the children they teach and their families and members.
Why is baldie putting air quotes around "Latin Mass" Catholics and "Conservative" Catholics? Is he implying that they don't attend the Latin Mass or that they're not conservative? Or, rather, is it just CM showing their usual animus and contempt toward Catholics of a more traditional persuasion? First, you criticize SSPX, and I acknowledge there are problems there, but they're not like the liberal Novus Ordo "Catholics" you see waving their hands and climbing over each other during the "sign of peace" whilst supporting whatever liberal cause the priest is vomiting from the pulpit. Then, they go after the Remnant and say the Pope can NEVER be criticized under ANY circumstances and repeat this like a mantra whilst banning conservative Catholics from commenting on their website, which they then do a complete 180 on when the McCarrick scandal and Vigano's testimony broke. And now they're still making cracks at Latin Mass Catholics and saying, we're not saying that there's anything wrong with Opus Dei and that it's not an evil organisation . . . but here's what's wrong with Opus Dei and it's an evil organization. As a "Latin Mass" and "conservative" Catholic, baldie and CM, I've had enough of your Janus-faced hypocritical barb-throwing at traditional Catholics who simply enjoy doctrinal orthodoxy and the beauty of the Mass of the Saints as the Church celebrated it for 1500 years. You're all obsessed with the homosexual issue and rarely ever cover anything else of significance anyway. Although it's pertinent and important, it's tiring and just brings on desensitization and fatigue. Unsubscribed.
I understand & you make, in my opinion, some good points. Not sure the name calling is your finest moment. May I suggest a rethink. If you do let me know & I can delete this. God bless....
+Ignis Christi … I'm with you here. 'Baldie' aka Simon Rafe is one of the reasons (actually, THE main reason) why I am not a Premium Content subscriber to Church Militant on principle. This arrogant twerp has an acute attitude problem. He banned me from their com boxes a couple of years ago (don't worry, I'm over it and I've moved on from that). Also, for similar reasons, there were others who were also banned by the same person - even though we were on the same wavelength about the filth in the Church.
I still keep an eye on their content, though, but, happily, I've since moved onto other independent conservative Catholic websites for news.
Having said all that, it is very important that they keep reporting and putting it out there the burning issue of the infestation of the Catholic Church by the Acronym Mafia i.e. pederast/catamite/lesbian etc. Yes, I'm with you in that you can feel despondent and tired of it to the point of dangerously going past caring about it. Also, I love the Latin Mass, too, and am conservative with it. God bless. Peace and All Good.
As someone has already mentioned, please provide proof on facts, not your opinions or personal experiences if you are to make a public broadcast. It is very irresponsible of you. You say that the organization is good and you mean no slander in any way shape or form. But how do you think people that know nothing about Opus Dei are going to take your words? Have you ever read Mt 13:24-29? “ ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them.” That’s what you at CM do. You are policing all over the place. Then I ask you: by who’s authority are you doing this? Are you approved by the Church? Who endorses your reports? Your excessive, I’d say obsessive concern to “purge” the Church and “expose scandals” is blinding you. If you started with good intentions, now it is evident you are running out of topics to report on if you even choose to make an episode like this! You talk of cover up, but from what I get from your own words, the Fr. CJ case was handled privately with the victim, who LATER asked the organization to go public about it. Which it did!! So what cover up are we talking about? The Spain case? Bring thorough proof to the public audience. Didn’t Jesus say in Mt 18:15-17 ““If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in PRIVATE; if he listens to you, you have won your brother.” I’ve always given you the benefit of the doubt but after this I have proof that you are obsessed with accusing and you only care about condemning. Much like an Augustinian priest some centuries ago who decided to take matters into his own hands and “purge” the Church. We know how that story sadly went down and we are suffering from it today still. Stop being modern-day Jansenists and take out the plank in your own eye before you busy yourself with taking the speck out of your brother’s eye!
Dario Veneziano thank you. I wish comments like yours move Church Militant to dig deeper on OD and make more programs and bring specific facts. Thank you again
@@isasala9111 If they dug deeper as you suggest, they would find the usual mixture of good and bad--of St.Johns and Judases, as allowed by the Founder of the Catholic Church and its institutions. That would only serve to prove and confirm it is Catholic institution, made up of humans beings with original sin and personal sins--like you Isa, who have many... The only thing that could disprove OD would be to prove that Saint Josemaria founded an organization against the will of God. This, would contradict his canonization, which would produce a huge theological problem, since you would put in question all canonizations (which have the seal of infallibility) or the papacy of JPII.
What is the skull for in the middle of your desk?
It’s for contemplating death and the journey into hell. Many of the saints had skulls at their desks to contemplate the same thing.
DIRECTOR Roland Joffe wrote the film "There Be Dragons," He had 15 Deletions and or edits in order to make it more Commercial. He won an academy award for "The Killing Fields" re: Vietnam War. He also Directed "The Mission," this film Pope Francis perhaps is familiar with?
It seems to be that you are not informed about Opus Dei.
I thought that Church Militant is professional and investigated all your information however it seems like it is partial. Even unfair, since you only informe the negative aspects, I’ll even seems like that is what you are looking for.
I wonder if the information about topics are also misleading.
Blessings
Are you guys as in OD in India too?
Sadly today being faithful to the establishment church is often not same as faithful to the church or to the Gospel. Difficult times! Opus Dei does not lend itself to being prophetic in a time of change like today.
Interesting, but not balanced, to say the least. Too much emphasis on that it is not a "horrible organization" (just a "very bad" one, I guess...), too much emphasis on the (very few) negative/bad cases, most of which sounded like anti-catholic gossip, since proofs were not discussed. Too much emphasis on the "cult" black legend, very akin to the Davinci Code and their buddies. You seem to forget/ignore that your channel started precisely by combating all that. Despite your claims of having a "tempered" judgment, it sounded more like a very negative judgment in disguise, i.e., more like "neutral" hypocrisy. You can do much better than that, Church Militant...
Why don’t you go and live in the OpusDei community? Then you can see for yourself!
It seems to me that you are fishing for a bad situation in a great organization!
I can’t say I want to see your blog anymore!
“Opus Dei, qui tollat pecunia mundi...dona nobis partem...”
??? You mean “Agnus “, right? Opus means “WORK” Work of God”
?? That's not the correct Latin.
@@AnnInFL "Work of God, who takes away the money of the world, give us a share"
What's with this news channel?
I love Opus Dei. Opus Dei is not a cult. Opus Dei is not only for rich people. Opus Dei members are free to leave whenever they want. No one pressure anyone to join. All this about re-structuring being analyzed by people without any contact with the Work seems like fake news.
Javier no tienes ni idea de lo que es el Opus Dei. Todo lo que afirmas es falso; es solo lo que ellos cuentan de sí mismos. English translation: you have no idea about what OD is. All you state is false; it is just what they tell about themselves. It is a pity I have no more time to rebuke this... just false Javier
There are not 'associates' but Cooperators. They do target well-to-do people, and all members I have come across are very kind. They are very Orthodox which is good, and treat the sacraments with great reverence and respect - but there are downsides!
The founder claimed a different ‘noble’ type name addition ‘de balaguer’ and Marquess title ... how can a vain man become a saint and seduce so many weak blinded people...
Follow the money OPUS DEI has deep pockets like Skull and Bones, They are exclusive not inclusive. They put up a lot of money to Fast track the Founder to Saint hood lots of people scratched their heads on that one.
@@PBXVIILY Yes, they pulled all sorts of shenanigans to get him canonized. I think they were behind getting rid of the Devils Advocate. They were allowed to block Any witnesses that they didn't want, one of whom was Miguel Fizac who had been in the work since the beginning and had known Escriva well, the other was Carmen Tapia who also had worked closely with him. 40% of the Testimony about his sanctity was given by Don Alvaro de Portillo who was his spiritual director for 40 plus years and bound by the seal of confession.
@Victoria Nolan what did he discover?
Mafia like
Numeraries Hand their entire salaries over - we were told this by a numerary and they have to ask permission to buy a pair of shoes - prison like
Dominie Mary Stemp it is true
Dominie Mary Stemp and they can’t even go to family funerals, no pictures of blood family allowed in a numeracy’s bedroom, indeed they ask pocket money and give everything... because they have to, not because they want or because of Christ, a big price to belong to something to shine up ones lives with elitism
Like members of many religious orders, numerary members live as if having everything in common, in the biblical sense. If you have a problem with that, you have a problem with Acts 2:44-45.
@@SJ72BE except all the centers have pictures of Escriva's family. Totally bizarre
@@lumengloriae6887They are not a religious order. They are a lay association.
Pope Francis please note - St. Joseph Marie Escriva would appreciate it as he initiated Opus Dei in Spain
Okay let me understand... now you look differently at the whole oeganisation, Opus Dei, because some guys screwed badly? Same with the Church herself?
Hi Diego. To recycle a previous comment: Your implication "Opus Dei is a Godly organization made up of some very flawed individuals" is an acceptable line of reasoning when discussing the Church in general, but Opus Dei is not synonymous with the Church. The more accurate statement for Opus Dei should be: Opus Dei is a very flawed organization made up of victims, most of whom are trying to be Godly. See also the replies to our compadre's posts directly above yours. Pax
@@peterquerciagrossa9675 I totally disagree. 1. Opus Dei is not very flawed organisation. It's just an organisation whose purpose and means has been accepted by the Church as good: in line with Vatican II and with the general mission of the Church. 2. Their members are not victims. They are normal people sho try. You cannot judge an organisation by the actions of few members who have done something that is condemned by the organisation. In this regard the parallel with the whole Church is appropriate and accurate; and therefore, the change of 'the way you look at the organisation' based on isolated incidents is just ridiculous. The only way to honestly change your opinion about an organisation is to get to know something you ignored about her constitution, rules or spirit that you did not know about. But this is not the case neither with opus dei nor with with the Church.
@@diegomercier I understand that you find useful direction and meaning from those in Opus Dei with whom you associate. But at the same time, you should consider the points of those negatively affected who do not share your experience. You are missing the point that the organization should not be judged by its members at all but by its effects. And just because some of its members find and transmit positive effects does not give carte blanche to ignore the negative aspects of the organization itself. "Approved by the Church and founded by a Saint" is irrelevant. Both temporal determinations were decreed by committees, justified by neither their coincidence with Vatican II nor, for that matter, the entirely irrelevant appeal to the "infallibility" of Vatican I. So no, Opus Dei is neither a shadow of the Church nor its parallel.
@@peterquerciagrossa9675 This makes more sense. I never said we should ignore the negative aspects. I say that 'changing the way you look at an organisation like Opus Dei or the Church' based on the behaviour of few members is ridiculous. And it is ridiculous. What you say now about paying attention about negative things also makes sense but it's a different story.
Msgr was very much in control during his life. If a member had to read a forbidden book such as psychoanalysis had to ask the personal authorisation.
If Christine is so troubled by Opus Dei members having their incoming and outgoing mail read, she should check religious orders who did that for centuries. But she should also ask herself how she (or Michael Voris) would jump at the chance to have such total access to the correspondence of one of their targets like Cupich. Perhaps if someone reliable had been monitoring McCarrick's personal correspondence, he would not have been ordained or got anywhere in seminary.
I say bring back that rule - for seminarians.
SAINT Jose Maria Escriva...founder PRAY FOR US
There are some distortions in your comments here... (I'm referring to those who are in the video) I would say you don't know what you're saying
Turning over your mail for your spiritual director to read... I'm pretty sure that my Trappist Uncle had to do that before some Vatican II reforms of the order (now they talk some more, too, instead of using sign language as before, and chant the office in English, not Latin).
My uncle the Trappist is not allowed to receive or write mail during Lent, I believe or other penitential times. I'm pretty sure it was an ancient practice in religious orders.
Perhaps if all these gay priests and bishops had an orthodox superior supervising THEIR correspondence, they wouldn't have got away with so much sexual predation and other wickedness.
I highly doubt these practices existed in original Trappist ways. Many of the orders today have brought on new and foreign ideas that are actually contrary to The Faith and the original foundation. They are very sick. And who cares what sorts of forms of self torture these people do- does that make one Holy? What did the apostles do that is like it? And how does the command and Scriptorial phrase, “treat others as you would treat yourself” work out when one whips, starves themselves for “God”?!! They whip and starve others “for God”. That’s how it works out.
Why is a skull on your table and not a crucifix or a statue of our blessed Mother.
Thank God u guys were never involved with OD
Correction - Associates are Catholic, celibate members but who don’t necessarily live in Centres. I think you may have been referring to Cooperators.
MTR members of OD are all Catholics. Types: celibates or married. The celibates can be numeraris, who live in centers, or agregados (in Spanish; I don’t know the translation into English) who live in their own homes.
That’s correct. It was just that someone in the video said associates when they should have said cooperators.
@@mtr4392 The video has serious errors.
Lumen Gloriae Yeah, you’re right 🙏🏻
Opus Dei don't say the Tridentine Mass. You got that wrong. ('Latin Mass' does not necessarily mean 'Tridentine Mass'. Opus Dei (with whom I'm not associated) say the Novus Ordo Mass, sometimes in Latin (Novus Ordo can be said in Latin, or at least could), but not the Tridentine Mass. Two different things. I'm afraid this may be the reason for the mix up.)
Why is there a skull in front of these commentators?
Finally!! Coming to your senses. Opus Dei is evil and it’s founder is no saint. And that wasn’t even his real name. Randy Engel’s work on Opus Dei is great.
Idleness was the biggest quality of the founder, idolatry the result for its members, sick! A cross without Christ is a cult without Christ
If. My brother molested a child .he would face my wrath..which would be worse than anything the Church or secular police could do.and yet there is the forgiveness aspect. Still, he would take a real good trimming from me
It is not a CULT. It might have been better if you had involved someone from Opus Dei in the discussion?
The Catholic Church is a church of sinners - thank God - so that folk like me are welcomed in.
It should not be a surprise there are sinners in Opus Dei?
We invited a priest to dinner (1966) and it would have been convenient for my wife to collect him in our car. He refused. It was not appropriate for him to be alone with a woman.
Much later, a priest was hearing children's confessions ... the door of the room was left open with a parent, out of earshot, observing to ensure nothing untoward happened.
Are you perfect?
I have been in contact with Opus Dei for over 60 years and I would take issue with much of your statements.
David Hogg you have been in contact... that does not mean you have got anything at all of the deep state... Brilliant lights and the deepest shadows all together.
@@isasala9111
" that does not mean you have got anything at all of the deep state." ... how do you know what I got and what I did not get ... you have some superior knowledge?
"Brilliant lights and the deepest shadows all together." .... what, on earth, is this supposed to mean?
The truth will make you free.
Please be more specific. Analysis is too general and leaves a lot to the imagination. Not fair for Opus Dei.
Jocelyn Yared if they start coming specific you will cry, believe me... Far more fair for OD that they remain generalistic
@@isasala9111 On the contrary, if there is any truth in your accusations, let them be exposed. We Catholics do not fear the truth, since only the truth will makes us (and anybody else) free (John 8:32)
I have to ask what's w/the skull on the desktop ? Seems out of place ?
Traditionally symbolized man's mortality.
--Begin with the end in mind.
--Remember, man, though art dust, and to dust you shall return
> Opus Dei is a conservative orthodox organization
As I said in another comment (CM page), Ms. Niles cannot hide her resentment and bitterness. And that can not be a good reason to make news.
What's with the skull? I was waiting for it to say something.
Momento Mori.......its used as a reminder.
Two-MoonZ I assume they’ve been inspired by St. Jerome who also kept a skull on his desk to remind him that he will one day die too.
Momento mori is latin for remember your death. It is a reminder that we are mortal, that our end could come at any time, and that we should live as though we could be at the judgement seat at any moment. If you are in a state of Grace and leading a good Christian Life you have nothing to fear. If not, you should focus on conversion back to right relation with God.
@@cornelle1234 Thank you
@@pmustoe Thank you.
Very interesting program. I am not a member of OD but I use to attend some of their meetings here in Brazil. They treat me very well and they do not make any pressure to become a member. They invited me once, in the past, I said no and that was it.
But there are some unexplained points and certain obligations that I don't like - for example, having spiritual direction with the numeraries. I don't like It and I don't do It. But members have no option.
But I am curious: what that skull stands for?
Thanks for all, I love you, guys.
Regards from Brazil!
Oi Daniela. Sou do Opus Dei e nunca fui obrigado a fazer direção espiritual com os numerários. Posso fazer com os padres da Obra também, não há problema algum. A Obra tem diversas maneiras de formação, sendo que uma delas apenas é a direção espiritual. Até a confissão, na espiritualidade da Obra, é tida como uma formação, pois o sacerdote sempre dá conselhos após a absolvição. Fique com Deus e com a Virgem Maria! 🙂
Daniela Gonzalez Macedo The skull represent Don Jose M. Escrivá de Balaguer y Albás, Marqués de Peralta, the most vain, fascist and money loving man.
@@ChaimYosefMariateguiLeviPhD Facist? Hahaha
If there was a cover up, it could be on both sides, I would think that if one of both people sinned, they, either one wouldn’t want to expose it.
Targeting people with money is not true, there are are people of all walks of life, since the very poor to any other situation.
People in OpusDei all work, especially numeraries and the priests.
The financial support is according to the situation of each member.
You are saying many lies. You don’t have true information.
How dare you compare us to The Legionarios?
Defamation!!!
I attended Opus Dei in Maracaibo, Venezuela. They definitely felt cultish. The friend who invited me ending up married to one of the members, they are lesbian living in Canada now
Cultish is the word.
Sounds like a cult to me.
Their overpriced "non-profit" schools in Nairobi have lots of land and a tiny enrollment. Pretty selfish in a city with a severe shortage of land and a high fertility rate that they promote.
WOW Eye Opener !!!!! Keep up The Great Work CM !!!!!!!!!!
Do you guys ever report on anything good? Or is everything in every single thing in the church today - both traditional and concilliar - just evil?