What's HAPPENING to the All Blacks in the final quarter? | The Breakdown, September 22, 2024
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- The Breakdown crew discuss the opening Bledisloe Cup clash and look at Argentina's thrilling win over South Africa to keep their Rugby Championship hopes alive.
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To us (argentinian) reading the graph "ARGENTINA KEEP TITLE HOPES ALIVE, WITH WIN OVER THE BOKS" is just like an Interstellar movie, such incredible and beyond logic scenario but after all these years we probe doubters we belong to compete the Rugby Championship, wins over the BIG 3 at the same tournament is an incredible achievement.
Yes, will be a true complete miracle when they beat the boks again this week.
It would be well deserved. Puma's have been a consistently good team for the last 3 RWC cycles.
The last quarter performance against Australia was a real concern. The ABs faded faster than my marriage.
:D hahaha
Nah g nothing to worry bout they just stopped playing cuz they felt sorry for Aussie lol
@@RugbyLover86 maybe :D
the myth that any team should control the last 20 minutes isI. To see. Teams are as fit as each other , multiple substitutions etc and the number of tests teams play. Go Argentina too
@@RugbyLover86 What does that say about this blokes marriage?!
Taylor is spot on its about physicality. The Boks the French all the teams have huge men
@@joethecrow6451 yes very big men I wonder why they are so muscular ?? The Ireland and England Arggies are just as muscular The All blacks body shape isn't like them I wonder what's going on
@@philliproberts7294too many broncos not enough weights
They weigh very much the same so there's not that much size difference..
The same problems continue : ill discipline, last 20 minutes, poor bench . What does Razor and his staff coaching do seriously ? Razor must review this with Wayne smith !
I think Razor needs some time
Wayne Smith needs to take over
@GGRUGBY sure but shouldn't there be signs of progress or change at some point in the season?
sometimes it takes longer than we expect
You'd have thought NZR would learn from the whole Ian Foster debacle. If you bring in an inexperienced coach, you need to surround them with experience. Foster only became good when Schmidt was around to help steer him.
The 2nd half issue has been coming along for the last few years, and was probably unnoticed. Just think about Bledisloe in Melbourne, the Draw against England, RWC final.. All games where we had a lead and struggled to close the game off. Razor has a tough job of fixing these issues, that stemmed long before he started.
One step at a time as we are off to great starts now and holding off Australia in the last 10 should give us some confidence. As we failed against South Africa. We are definitely getting better.
Last 20mins no general on the field to calm the boys down or give direction.
Totally agree with you! Where was Scott Barrett the captain to settle the team when they needed leadership!!!!
All Blacks, as a team have been steadily going downhill for some time.
It happens when great players retire but all blacks will get better im sure
school rugby has been dead for years ....this will flow through very soon
Yip, but they are in denial blaming coaches when NZRU should look at themselves. Sure, coaches contribute because they have a philosophy of winning at all cost, but nobody is courageous enough to acknowledge and address the constant downward trend since 2015 that is indicative of major systemic issues. For a small players base and foundation, and competing sports such as soccer, NRL and basketball, rugby union in tiny NZ is in trouble. A win against the Wallabies will unfortunately now feed that complacency and the egos of administration. But eh, blame is always out there, isn't it, never under the nose?
@@stevetipene3319 yea you are right for example in South Africa School rugby is in the prime right now they are developing beasts there
Unfortunately, it also reflects the state of NZ as a whole.Since Jacinda Adern and covid, NZ has never been the same.
South Africa at home will put on their full strength side for thise last game VS Argentina. I am expecting them to bounce back extremely hard
Let's hope so, Argentina reminding bokka and all blacks what it use to mean playing with heart and nuts.
😂The Springboks are overrated. Ireland are a better team and Argentina will be higher than SA in ranking. If you lose to Argentina you have no right to win the Rugby Championship
@@gregoriusrex1855 When Ireland make it past a quarter final then let me know. Plus where does Ireland make 10 changes and still win VS teams? exactly
Leave McKenzie alone he's the best player nz had his accurate kicking for goals is the best we seen 😊
lol
D mac sucks mate
No mate, he is not the best player NZ has. he is not a natural 10. Sugarcoat it however you wish but after so many games he still won't get his outsides involved in the game. He initiates great moves but is struggling to get others involved. he thrives more on individual brilliance which works better if he comes off the bench when much of the opposition players are tiring. Starting at 10? Hell no. It is not working for the ABs.
Looooool
Nah Dmac is ok with his kicking, but the AB kicking game has not been great for a long while now
Great show tonight! Tayler, great perspective. Looking fwd to some subtle changes this week.
One of the biggest issues we have been hurt from in the second half is that our kicking turns to crap.
We stop playing, we try 'close the game'. Meaning: kick = territory; hit up phases = predictability, potential for penalties and turnovers ; trying to balance that *while* some are trying to play isn't coherent. Also, in the SA and Arg and Aus game the opposition get better and fix mistakes in the second half so we have less opportunities
Riley Higgin has been fantastic in NPC this season. Get him as JB injury covers!
That was my first thought too.
Couldn't believe the comment that no one from the NPC is putting their hand up.
Obviously haven't watched many of the Lions' games.
Hopefully get more game time with Hurricanes next season with Jordie not there.
I'm a big fan, as is James Parsons.
Good stuff, No John Kirwan
That sub ain't much better
Kirstie is cute. I only watch this show for her and Mils' objectivity. Thank God Wilson & Kirwan are there today.
Mils was spot on. The AB's get zero confidence out of this. Ex the first 20 minutes we were TOTALLY impotent!
Rotellick was special but not the first. Did you forget about the Legend? Colin Meads?
👍So true.
Great show. Taylah is a good addition, very knowledgable and the host knows how to push buttons and keep it fun. Thanks for sharing!
She want beaudy to come back and kick the ball away
Taylah’s feedback is horrible.
DMac has played brilliantly as 10.
What is she talking about?
Couldn't agree more. I normally like her opinions but thought tonight she way off.
I personally think the deliberate knock on by Clarke / yellow was inexcusable, although Clarke is an offensive beast, his defense needs a hell of a lot of work...or is that just me?🤔
AND THAT COMES DOWN TOO MENTAL TOUGNESS AND FORTITUDE
I feel for Mils bro. It hurts as a fan...can't imagine how these past ABs are feeling.
That thumbnail says it all about 80 percent of the nz rugby media and the ABs
The worst AB and the worst Wallabies ever...a nightmare
I don’t think any of these top ranked teams are too far off each other.
Saying that, when a team can’t produce in the latter parts of the game, it often comes down to the Conditioning Coaches and other Coaching staff. At the moment the AB’s just don’t have it in the Tank. Saturday’s game against Australia proved it beyond doubt.
I think that in the first half we are primarily capatilising on opponents' mistakes and their lack of possession (not us playing particularly well, them well playing average or messily). And in the second half, opponents' mistakes are reduced and the opponents have more possession than the first half (and create more pressure). Happen against SA and Arg and Aus games.
The players that get benched need to be prioritized. Tell them to go 101% till the bench comes on and does the same. Rieko had a good game but the bled is tucked away now. Jordie out injured so Id play Havili and Proctor. On the bench have Taylor, De Groot, Tosi, Vaai, Papalii, hotham, Clarke, Dmac. Start plummer, darry, Rieko to wing. Australia after that effort are going to throw the kitchen sink. Good experience for the new guns
Straight up need more Blues guys in the team. Look how they preform under pressure. The most pressure game they pumped the Chiefs who were somehow coming in as favourites after smacking the Canes at home. Get Papalii in starting, get Hos on the bench and get Ricky on the bench. Aumua can go vack to npc and learn how to throw
The blues play like south africa
Aumua needs to learn how to tackle
Lack of leadership. Scott Barrett is fast becoming the Reuben Thorne of this generation. Don’t make Ardie the Tana and make him become captain when he’s past his prime.
We just don't have the players currently. Look at our world cup winning teams, great players galore. Now maybe 4-5 top players
We have more to show Start blooding players like Sititi, Cortez, young Noah Hotham, got four years XV will see lot more Talent.
should be fine when roigard comes back and carlos spencers son is in the mix
We have some great players. Look at the Blues pack. Dominate everyone this year and the only one that makes the team is Razors guy from Canterbury? Sus. Jason Ryan needs to get over himself and pick Hoskins for the bench impact guy. And Ricky should be there above Aumua, how many times do we need to lose lineouts with him before he gets the chop back to npc to learn his most basic role
@@EGM534 so what blues forwards would you have in place of which current players
@@Edgycoo I'd put Hoskins on the bench over Jacobson, Ricky on the bench over Aumua untill Samisoni is back. I'd start Dalton, not sure what he's been dropped for. And I'd Telea ahead of Reece of they're playing Jordan at 15
Keep boss on the panel he says what nz thinking
#1 takeaway - patience!!! It’s going to take time to come right. It would be great if all the bandwagon fans could restrain themselves from slagging the ABs during this rebuild. Back Black!,
I've been an All Blacks supporter since 2003, and honestly, this is the worst performance I've seen from my ABs. I've seen us lose several matches, but this was as ugly as it gets and still feels like a test we lost.
I’m glad we chose the Wallabies to showcase such a horrible performance because had it been the Boks, they would have put 50 points on us.
Once again, no points in the last quarter and a yellow card in the final 10 minutes. Aren't they playing for the ABs? There used to be so much pride in wearing that jersey, but it doesn't feel like that anymore. Come on, guys...
I flew from Brisbane to Sydney just to watch this match. You should do better 😟
Ardie has been an 8 for over 4 years now, if he wants to play 7 he will play there for Moana and that will re-accustom him to the role, keep him where he is for now. Develop Sititi as a 6/8 cover, start Cane for this game, replace him with Lakai or Kirifi for the tour.
Taylor needs to stop pushing the narrative that DMac is not our 10. He distributes the ball and puts people into space. If she says shes a stats person, Dalton makes NO SENSE as 7. Stats say Sam Cane only made 4 carries and 5 tackles, where are the stats for cleaning rucks?? Retaining the ball through rucks is more important than carries. If gainline success is low, that is the forwards... not the 10. Barrett is not a threat at 10 anymore, hes predictable with kicks and won't back himself to run the hole.
Give Sam his 100th. He deserves it...
Sam sucks mate
@@nm86484 Thats your perception but the stats don't lie mate and Razor isn't an idiot - or is he?
It’s been a worry since before this season. Remember the last gasp draw against England a few years back? I thought surely we can stop the rot with a 14 point lead in the last 5-10 mins…but no.
We are finding ways to lose from winning positions. Hopefully we retain the winning positions bit of the games and then shore it up a bit.
Miss a really powerful first 5, 12 and centre
Good to see them kicking for the corner, than settling for penalties.
Your strength can also be your weakness. There's more to rugby than fancy skill-sets, slick passing and flashy off-loads. It's rugby, not touch rugby.
I think Caleb is good at 11 but believe he will be like Nonu and Umaga at 12.
I agree, they need to trial him in the mid field.
Oh that’d actually be cool
@jean-pierrekotze5846 I have thought that but he hasn't shown ball skills for that role. AJ Lam has put up his hand to play there for the Blues and has shown potential. Even the Umaga-Jensen brothers.
Been saying that for the last two years. That bloke on 'The Black Jersey' N Z YT channel scoffed at me, but more and more folks're coming around to using Caleb at 12.
@@mikeneemia3678 I agree. However, if he works on that, and his kicking game, he'd go good at 12. Ma'a had to work hard on things before he owned the 12 jersey.
All.blacks blessed to have won Saturday
We don't have a pack like England or SA... nonsense. In Cape Town, there was only 10 kgs between us and SA in pack weight, in SA's favour. That's negligible in top rugby. We need more mongrel.
Aye. Very true words. Only a couple of the forwards have the "feral" in them. Shame about Liam, he had bloody heaps. Mind you, he hunts wild boar for a past-time!
I thought the All blacks was going down hill, and it looks like they are Stillll going down hill
These final quarters from the ABs are alarming! Yellow cards, poor decisions, kicking the ball away instead of holding that damn thing. Need those captains to keep the squad on the same page and stay tight. Hopefully something that gets sorted by the end of the year let’s hope 🙏🏽
You lot are giving the coaching ticket and playing group an easy ride in the media.
That is entirely possible. About to listen...
Ability to close out the game....confidence issue...tries given away by Aussies...I think the panel called it fairly enough.
The primary reasons for NZ being a mess in the last 20 minutes is twofold . One is an old problem of shooting themselves in the foot with yellow card indiscipline. It puts the team under so much pressure not just with the opposing team that gets a boost but also the referee ! The other reason is the bench players being ineffective . But as they are firefighting when they come on, due to the yellow cards it’s not surprising they struggle with the added pressure!
These are obviously nice people who know about the technical aspects of rugby but someone please introduce them to the basic maths of markets. The salary cap, if complied with, of French teams is euro8.5m and additional payments come from central authorities. The Irish teams are not far off that. The money, better coaching, better S&C are all in the Northern Hemisphere.
NZ and Aus teams need to align the season to the Nothern Hemisphere and select their OS players and be smart about OS options. E.g. allow players to play in France and pay 25% of their salary to have access to them for e.g. 8 games.
NZ bench is weak because Richie, Brodie and others are OS and not selected. They will not be as good as teams that select OS players or teams that pay the most to domestic players like France and Ireland. Pretty simple stuff.
These guys just parrot off the same thing every weak.
But the counterpoint, how do you prevent the complete cratering of domestic NZ rugby once every single half decent provincial player heads to the North at 20 years old? Which over time will trickle down to a diminishing age-grade participation (already seeing it) and hurt the ABs
You can't be serious. Do you know how many Southern Hemisphere coaches ply their trade in the North?
These issues asked and answered by South Africa. Game has never been stronger there. People want to play for their country, it also makes their contacts worth more as they draw more crowds. Could have a hybrid of x provincial / club games to qualify first.
Or you do what they have done more recently and switch to URC and change the season dates.
@@icefarrow7959A non point as they are doing it in more professional environments with higher standards
Taylah's spot on 👏🏽
Two kiwi coaches Joe should aim to add to his staff: Wayne Pivac and Kieran Crowley. Both have coached abroad in Europe, and both have a track record of building from a low base to bring previously underperforming sides to New levels. Both of their last appointments (Pivac's mutiny-plagued tenure with Wales, and Crowley's uneven stint qt Italy) ended disappointingly, but both deserve a shot a redemption, as do the Wallabies.
did he answer the last rounds question of whether Ireland are better than the all blacks atm? ;-)
It’s just wrong seeing Isaac in black as an Irish man 😂
End of year tour ..... some tough lessons .... hopefully not too tough .....
They won. It’s all about the W
This team is disconnected. Is Razor picking so many Crusaders because he doesn't have the loyalty? I'm beginning to think he has a problem with people who have a different outlook to him. The coaches he has are just yes men and I would say Leon had a voice so Razor didn't like it. Look at the interview after the Argentina games with Ardie. They were so obviously disconnected. Razor threw Ardie under the bus. What coach does that.
It's great to see some real competition in the RC - can only do rugby good in the SH
Our coach and captain are not up for the job. The captain needs to talk to his team,calm them down ,keep talking even if he barks orders,but nothing ,absolutely nothing,.Razor needs to go back to super rugby he doesn’t have the experience to coach at this level. We definitely have the talent but not the coaching ability. Perhaps he needs to talk to FOZZIE seek help from the most abused ABS COACH EVER. We the rugby public need to seriously apologise to FOZZIE.
wattabout Umaga Jensen at center?
Too slow bro should move to prop
What does this women have to do with rugby and make statements about an international all balck at that....damian dmac.....? You only have those two on a high level. When richie comes back, yes, make a choice, but dmac kicks better than bauden. And his is faster. B BARRET has become slow and telegraphs everything now.
Excellent content
Relax people.... early days.... chill chill
Shout Africa is one of the best teams they aren’t the best. The top three are all capable of beating each other.
Irish back to No 1 complements of Springboks
WOW. GOOD. GAME. 🌖🌖🌖🌖🌖🌖🌖🌖🌖🌖🌖🌖🌖🌖🌖🌖🌖🌖
The leadership is rubbish i was at the game scott barret was lost alb and sam cane was doing all the talking and ardie was leading with his actions
Why are they referring to players as cattle
Really thought AB’s were gonna run away with it, they were scoring at a point a minute in 1st half.
All I’m saying is the Wellington Curse
Really, Cane didn’t get the tackles simply because the Aussies ran different lines from where Cane is based in the defense. That had nothing to do with his ability. Especially as he is usually the no 1 tackler
Cane sucks mate
@@nm86484 what’s your opinion got to do with how the tackle count was different than the last 3 games?
@@nm86484Cane your best player bruv.
@@Damudean he missing crucial tackles mate
@@mpilodigitalmarketing sorry he not bruv
Brodie!! Straight chiefs mana all black legend!! That was a true forward pack of specialists!! That’s why they won 2015 RWC!How fast our coaches forget that pack!!
Joe Moody
Dane Coles
Owen Franks
Brodie Retallick
Sam Whitelock
Jerome Kaino
Richie McCaw (C)
Kieran Read
How about 2011? There was never questions about who plays where?
1. Tony Woodcock
2. Keven Mealamu
3. Owen Franks
4. Brad Thorn
5. Samuel Whitelock
6. Jerome Kaino
7. Richie McCaw - captain
8. Kieran Read
Hopefully Goldie will stop overrating the Boks. The Springboks arent the best Rugby team in the World. Do they deserve to be 2nd in the rankings?
There seems to be a leadership problem in this All Black team, Scott Robertson should consider
making Ardie Savia captain, he has done very well as captain before ie the world cup.
It's a real project that he's not captain. The mana has been lost and confusion has set in.
Ardie has a history of making poor decisions as captain. His decision making cost us the 2023 RWC final. Have you forgotten how many times we kicked for the corner instead of taking the 3? Graham Henry literally was interviewed pre-match, and he said when facing the Springboks you always take the 3.
@@icefarrow7959 Hi if my memory is still working then i believe that the all blacks were playing more than half the match with only 14 players. regards from a kiwi living in Sweden.
They lost to Argentina when he was a captain 😂
He's bad leader
Start the younger guys and finish with experience- you’re welcome 😊
the ends of the matches are abit dodgy, but im happy with their performances over all. plenty for razor to work with, 💪
mills actually talks some sense when the other two arent there
DMAC is a bench player. Bring him on with 20 min to go.
Start BB at 10, Clark at 13, Reiko 11
Yeh Clark at 13 because of all the experience he has playing in that hardest backline position
😂
@@Mysterx1440worked for rieko😂
The final 20mins come down to coaching tactics and on field leadership and the #10 game managment - ATM the ABs are lacking quality on those 3 points
1. Ardie replaces Barrett as captain.
2. Raise up a young 10 to replace Damian
3. Razor fires more assistants, sticking to only those who have proven themselves at the crusaders.
@@starwarsjk99 1 and 3 are silly. Ardie lacks the decision-making skills to be captain, and firing the current assistants would change nothing. He needs international experience in his team, and all of our coaches that think similarly to him and have it are overseas in cushy high-paid jobs already.
Nice play
TRIED TO KEEP MY FINGERS SHACKLED ..THEY ESCAPE ARTIST OBVIOUSLY
Codie Taylor should be made captian. The following players are dead-wood, are not performing and need to be dropped to make way for other hungrier and/or younger players: TJ Perenara, Damian McKenzie, Anton Lienert-Brown, Reiko Ioane, Seevu Reece and the wildly over-rated Beauden Barrett. Caleb Clarke should be moved to inside centre cos he can bust through tackles. A Caleb Clarke and Billy Proctor centre-pairing would be very effective.
Final quarter??? It's the whole 2nd half.
Still don't think Mckenzie's test 10 yet, his passing which led to 3 no tries, execution, Jordon is a test winger, I'd rather have Barrett at the back, however time will tell.
You are aware Barrett was omitted becuof illness, so Jordan was positioned there last minute. Agree he is better at wing
All Blacks was always good under pressure now its changed
They stop playing after 60 cuz they feel sorry for the opposition bro they gotta save energy for when the face the mighty Irishbthe true RWC champs bro
Na, we have has teams collapse and lose a winning game several times in the past
Super Rugby bench tactics don't work in test rugby, pressure and fatigue leads to penalties. Its not rocket science..
Ardie even leads turnovers conceded😂
He ain't good leader they looked leaderless with him as a leader
WOW. 🌖🌖🌖🌖🌖🌖🌖🌖🌖🌖🌖
Taylor's spot on we need to be more physical we've lost our fear factor too much respect for other teams eg south africa we need to start bashing them and getting our respect back there soft like Charmin anyway 😂
caleb clark at centre Reiko on wing
Love this show just dont appreciate how Kirsty goes about certain wording
GETTING DESPERATE BUT I UNDERSTAND WELLDONE
Has Mark Telea been dropped?
Agree with the comment's about Makenzie time to bring in Plummer
Blues fan?
DONT NEED TO ASSUME ..YOU WILL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I AM THINKING ..SAVES WASTED ENERGY OF ASSUMATION ..EFFICENCY
WHAT A BORING PANEL!!!
Every SA documentary, interview and talking point of out of that camp oozes 'team first'. They have bought into the end result and not the who is getting them there. Wither their bomb squad or the guys who start, it just seems like they have collectively put the team priority one, two and three. When you listen to these NZ analysts, they are almost afraid to say the words.... 'come off the bench'.... as if it is the curse or it comes with a certain negative connotation...? Its either the ABs dont have the horses or their once invincible 'run the opponent to death' doesn't work cause the better teams have that deep bench that come in that 60th minute .... so.... their game plan simply needs to change. All that, I am still 100 behind the ABs, until they play my humble Island Kingdom..... Ts up...!!
Sure and that better team is Australia who was flogged by Argentina just a week ago😂
@@Nat-oj2uc some games you take a win anyway you can. Aussies are also under the pump....did you expect them to not show up....?
This All Black squad has a complete lack of leadership, effective game plan, discipline, Rugby IQ , fortitude, perseverance etc , all things that were once taught in our schools but now rarely even mentioned. The low rugby IQ quotas seem to be at the same level as our low ( we are now at the level of Cyprus ) education level. Also Football and Basketball have much higher levels of participation than rugby. We all know why but no one talks about it.
I don’t know why, can you elaborate?
Why?
drinking out of that cup looks like a real good way to get sick
Don't choke on your soy milk mate
@@Mysterx1440 gee mate how hard are you ? I’m impressed.
Ardie for captain!
The NZ rugby championship, played 5 won 2, I agree Isaac Boss the Aussies were dreadful in the first half and they still could have won the game. All blacks were dreadful only a shadow of their former selves like the panel they are all over the place, blame the coach that didn’t work did it, the decline has been there for everyone to see, get back to basics, Rugby is a simple game we need a strong All Blacks team it’s a hard watch in recent years.
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Bossy my ole mate from pirates tok 4 lyf
AB need more challenging young blood in pipelines to keep pushing the seniors.....unfortunately being cornered with super rugby is NOT helping the AB or AUS pipelines..... and soon Fiji, Samoa will find a glass ceiling being at super rugby..