Friends: Ross and Rachel - Love Worth Waiting For
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Good video 👍
Congratulations
hello what is the title of the guitar song in the introduction?
The thing about Rachel & Ross is that, on TV, on a sitcom, they are a fun and entertaining couple to follow, to root for. To grab some popcorn and be like "wow, he says her name but he STILL think he's over her?Wow, she came on to him and carried his child and she STILL thinks she's over him?"
However, in reality, it would NOT be a good relationship at all. To make it work, someone -- maybe a couple's therapist -- would have to make them sit down and speak honestly about their feelings, both Ross and Rachel would have to work on their individual issues before being ready to be a couple.
I'm actually glad Friends made a point to have Monica and Chandler, a more realistically healthy relationship to ballance things out.
Sofia I agree! It's fun and addictive to watch but in real life some of what Ross does is a bit abusive I think (trying to lie about remaining married, the controlling jealousy, how he sabotaged her career)
are Monica and Chandler THAT realistic? do you know many couples like them?
@@MrFriendsfan I know a lot of friends turned gf bf couples who got married n has a stable healthy relationship. It's very common
Monica is not that good. She's bossy
@@nouchireiss2223 but her ideplogies r not problematic though. She doesn't underestimate Chandler's career she actually encourages him to persue the career he wants, manages to make long distance work, take care of everyone . None of the friends r perfect but few of them r problematic thinking when it comes to their partner. Like Joey is a douche to the girls he dates,n Ross underestimate Rachel's career a lot. Mondler is much more secure balanced n stable
So glad the "Will they won't they" and "On and off again" couple tropes are dying on tv shows. At one point it seemed so romantic and passionate, but now just seems immature and toxic
Agreed
Like Pam and jim
I doubt it will ever happen, because that's not how it is in real world, many real couples are immature and toxic one way or another, to some extent. Ross and Rachel are just extreme example but honestly, this is just sitcom, they weren't supposed to be realistic.
@@cellardoor199991 Yup, rewatched the show and it really hasn't aged well
@@MrFriendsfan Eh? At least in my experience and my friends unless you're in college that kind of relationship isn't common
Phoebe and David the scientist that was the most shattering break up to me
As fun as Mike was, I was still rooting for the former.
@@themermaidmurders3643 The episode when he returned for only a few days, when Phoebe cried that broke me. I can't lie.
Thank you! I genuinely was more invested in those two than the idiots Ross and Rachel. I adored David and Phoebe's relationship - so pure and wholesome with none of the toxic waste of Ross/Rachel. I so wish they'd given David a more dignified exit at the very least...the writers really crapped up in parts and this is one of them.
@@Muslimah1987 Mike felt to me like a rush job to get Phoebe married. Seeing as Joey was getting the spin off and they made the decision to keep him only single. I also think fans loved David and bringing him back to be brushed off for Mike, sucked. I understand in life we may be so in love woth someone in the past and never have that closure and then boom we meet someone who is ready to be a partner. Still Phoebe and David that could have been a great love story.
@Watching TH-cam not arguing but why do you think so?
you should talk about the bromance between chandler and joey
Cristy Grayson ikr, everyone’s here talking about mondler (and they are a great couple) but we know who the true power couple of friends was...
Joey and chandler were the best...
They actually did
nathan sanrochman which video??
@@ameliasadler3772P
While I do think that Ross and Rachel were a very toxic couple in season 2-3 while they were dating, it was always obvious that they loved each other. But the question was never their love for each other but the way they perceived their relationship. Rachel always felt like she could be doing more with her life in season 3 ( I mean she didnt leave Barry to end up in another relationship which defined her whole life) while Ross was obsessed with this idealized image of her. As they broke up, they started to find their place in life and also get a chance to get to know each other finally without any expectations. After years of friendship and no expectations, both ross and Rachel grew their bond into one of acceptance and true love. And when the time came, they were both ready and mature enough to handle a relationship that they always wanted.
So I don't see them as a bad couple, I see them as a couple in love who were too immature to handle their own relationship and so took time for themselves to truly grow up and finally get back together when they realized that after all these years, that their love has only grown into something more beautiful.
Great comment. Although, their reunion in the final episode, no matter how great it was, still remains inorganic and hollow. Because of the continuing obsession with the producers and the writers to keep them in this on- and off-relationship and allowing this to come at the expense of the arc in their storyline. Take for example, this nonsensical Rachel/Joey plot that was just completely undermining the whole pregnancy in season eight earlier. Nonetheless, the right decision was still made to let Rachel and Ross end up together for good. Especially after watching the final episode. No matter that you rather would have seen them getting married or have a magical proposal.
Kanchana Jaishankar agreed
Totally agreed. I can see the two immature egos growing up into considerate adults. They take such a long time to learn how to love but seem to make it at last. Their on/off relationship shows the importance to overcome petty pride for communication.
Just because two people are in love doesn't mean they belong together.
@@theredqveen
until they're ready to be together even if it takes YEARS to get there
I agree with *everyone* that Monica and Chandler are the real couple to focus on BUT this episode is about how Ross and Rachel are WRITTEN not if they are a good model for a relationship:)
It’s a tv show bud.. it’s not supposed to be realistic. It’s supposed to be interesting. Will-they-or-won’t-theys are a form of art and they did it well..
Otherwise, Naruto and Hinata made it better and more romantic, as they indicated as a PARALLEL version of Ross & Rachel.
Did anyone else start off liking Ross and Rachel as a couple, only to tire of the way the writers toyed with having them be on/off for so long? They realized that they had gotten them together too quickly, and perhaps thought that it was more riveting to keep them apart. They spent so much time fighting with each other, and trying to sabotage each other's relationships, and their mutual refusal to accept any kind of blame for problems. Part of this can be explained by how they were each spoiled by their parents growing up, as they were so used to being validated by their respective parents, and as a result, were both self-centered and egotistical. Sure, they may have ended the series reconciled, but how long is it going to last? Towards the end, I was more partial towards Monica and Chandler, as they grew up fighting for love, and once they got together, that love was extremely precious to them, so they worked harder at it.
Dear god yes. Ross and Rachel would have been one of my favorite couples on television if they just stayed together like Monica and Chandler, but they got so goddamn toxic I couldn't root for them anymore.
I didn’t get tired, apart from the stupid Joey fiasco to keep them apart longer. I more had issues with Ross’s character. I wish he would have admitted his issues of jealousy and such more.
I was at the point of rooting more for Joey and Rachel than Ross and Rachel.
Yeah I really didn't like them after a while
Yes! Yes! Yes! When Joey and Rachel got together I was silently hoping it would actually last. Sure, Ross and Rachel both had issues but I was more concerned with Ross'. Rachel and Joey just seemed great together without the toxicity of the Ross and Rachel relationship of 'Will They?' or 'Won't They?' Even more so with Monica and Chandler. Their story still amazes me and they have been my favourite couple on the show ever since the beginning of their relationship. Chandler was still afraid of commitment, looking for reasons to break up as seen in the first few seasons with Janice and other girls. But Monica managed to teach him about how to actually be in adult relationships: with commitment and patience. They just built each other up, never actually backing down. Even in the face of infertility they were still together, stronger than ever. Whereas Ross and Rachel just couldn't seem to get together and work things out. Completely toxic from my point of view.
To me, people give their relationship too much flack now. In the beginning the relationship didn't work because they had unrealistic expectations. Ross wanted to be Rachel's savior/protector and Rachel fed right into that by thinking Ross was a saint who couldn't hurt her in the first 3 seasons. Bottom line is anybody can hurt you especially your loved ones. Also Ross wasn't in the right frame of mind for another serious relationship. His divorce from Carol left him extremely insecure and unsure of his placement in a couple. That's why he was so authoritative. By the end of the show they both had grown as people and their expectations in a partner were less idealized.
RedLightning17
This is the only argument that makes sense
Exactly! Thank you! Ross receives so much hate for sleeping with the copy place girl and for being jealous, but come on, he’s also incredibly sweet and grows up to be a great man. He’s not obsessed with Rachel, he just cares deeply for her, and she cares deeply for him too, it’s not like he’s stalking her. And Rachel, though very nice, is not perfect either; but by the end, she’s quite mature. I really don’t get the hate for this couple. Or for Ross.
@@dianaalvarezrocha5557 They both grew up so much in the series. The respect they had for each other as adults by the end is why I think they'd still be together today
@Luna Lovegood Don't you think you are taking this a little bit too serious? Yes, Ross was jealous and a total idiot at times, but who on this show wasn't? This is a comedy show, their over the top characters are what make this show fun to watch. In real life, I would kick each one of them, a lot. Ross for being a total idiot, Rachel for being selfish at times, Monica for being neurotic and bossy and for sucking the fun out of things many times, Joey for being a douchebag, Chandler for being a smartass and Phoebe for just being too much. One of the funniest moments in this show and where I ALWAYS, EVERYTIME laugh out loud (literally) is when Ross sends that singing group to Rachel's work (yes, in real life I would kick him out immediately, like probably every woman would). But this is not real life, it's not even a drama, it's a SITCOM, where everything is overdramatized everytime.
Your argument actually makes a lot of sense what you break down Ross and Rachel's motives. They had unrealistic expectations pertaining to what love involved based on prior experiences. It was only until they had some time apart that they both matured and rekindled their love for each other.
I always thought Chandler saying “and I want a million dollars” was funny because he basically predicted their future per episode salary.
Wow a video that doesn't dismiss Ross and Rachel as a lost cause? That's refreshing.
@Dindy Pindy it may be a comedy... but I've known people that glorify Ross and Rachel and hold them up as role models of a good relationship. I knew a guy that had a relationship similar to Ross and Rachel's and use it to confirm that their relationship is a stable and loving one (when it wasn't and it was genuinely hurting him). People put Ross and Rachel on a pedestal that, after watching the show over and over, they don't deserve because they just seem to bring out the worst in each other more often than not
@@kaitlyngarner740 To be honest ..... I would only hold Ross and Rachel as a good couple watching the first two seasons of the show. Back when their relationship made more sense. In part because the producers and the writers had not been forcing Ross through this huge character change yet. Possessing this massive ego all of a sudden that made him very unlikable in his relationship to Rachel. The reason people still put them on a pedestal is because of the chemistry, backstory and the occasional magic moments between them. Because, let's face it, what they had was more magical than Monica and Chandler.
@@kaitlyngarner740 then maybe people should not Glorify Fiction I guess
If the intention of the writers was to leave us believing that Ross and Rachel will be together forever then waiting till the last episode for them to get back together was a mistake; I think at least a whole season as a stable couple was needed to show that the roller coaster was over.
I agree. That way we would have seen them acting mature with each other while being a serious couple. Not the same as just co-parenting.
Yeah and ending the season with a wedding.
I agree, considered that they also had comedy going and not just the relationship aspects.
They definitely broke up again
@@theredqveen
and then got back together again
Thing is Ross and Rachel are great mostly because of Jennifer Aniston and David Schwimmer great chemistry and acting. Relationships like this wouldn't work with many other actor duos, people often overlook such fact. People often fall in love rather with Jennifer and David than with Ross and Rachel I guess. At least for me I'd rather have Jen and David together 😎
Please analyze chandler and Monica’s relationship next
Yes please!
Yes please
I think now it has become “trendy” to hate on ross and rachel and say they were toxic (especially ross), but for me their relationship wasn’t that bad. Ross was jealous when they first got together, that’s true, but we cannot reject their whole relationship just because of that. Truth is, we’ve all felt jealousy at some point, and suffered because of it. As long as you don’t psicollogically abuse your partner because of it, it’s not toxic, it’s human. I think the writers did well in including this uglier side of relationships. And when they got together later on, he had matured. Honestly i don’t think it was that bad.
Exactly my thinking
*psychologically
I don't think it was that bad as people seem to imply ... but it was bad. Mondler was everything I *personally* wish a relationship should be, that is help each other grow.
Ross is a "toxic" person though, so it makes sense that people are pointing out his flaws. I'm not saying Rachel isn't " toxic", but Ross was definitely the most unlikable character on the show in my opinion because of certain personality traits he has. He's unstable and he needs some kind of therapy or something
He did not mature. He still was jealous of Mark and still whiny. Rachel deserved better. What a waste of time Rachel having a baby with that loser.
Other people hate them as a couple. I don't. I just see them as a couple who had to mature and grow apart before they can get together fully. They have to work on themselves and may date other people but in the end, they will fall in each others arms. I've know tons of real-life couple who went through the same thing. It's realistic since most of us are flawed and we have to grow and have our own identity before being in a relationship. Finding the Monica and Chandler type of love is hard, and sadly only few people can experience it immediately.
Denisse Shawntel Tan I agree completely
I totaly agree. I'm living a relation, on off, on again of again... like roschel for 7/8 years. I know I love him but I don't know why, something tell me "It's too earlier". So yes it's realistic, for me of course. And this is why I love them so much. On TV a relation like that is so romanctic when they are together again. I look like Rachel during the second season when Ross plans their futur after only 6 weeks of relation.
I don't hate them as a couple, I hate the writing's constant teasing of them being a couple instead of letting it go.
@Jay Anthony so it's all about everything being healthy?😑😒
@Tara S. so Every Couple HAS to be about Relationship Goals HOORAY
I still can’t understand why people hate Ross and Rachel as couple. I think they are example of how love can’t be always easy (like it was with Chandler and Monica) and god damn life is so hard with different circumstances, feelings and stuff. Sometimes you just need time to grown as a person and realise that moment when you’re finally ready to have steady and meaningful relationship.
he's very obsessive; so it seems unbalanced. then rachel gives up her dream job for ross with no indication from the show that she'll be okay job wise. mostly it's small bad writing moments that add up
Love isn't always easy, but in real life love shouldn't not be nearly as difficult lol
I've never thought Rachel and Ross were an awful couple ... I just think they got together at the wrong time. When they first started dating Ross had not long ago got divorced and Rachel had not long ago moved to the city and she was still trying to figure out what direction her life was going in. When you're in that stage in life where you're trying to figure out what you want to do, who you are as a person and what what makes you happy ... that's the WORST possible time to be in a relationship because that other person is going to distract you and complicate things. You should always go into a relationship a complete person not half of a person. When I think back at that time in my life when I was still trying to figure things out I honestly don't think I could have been in a relationship back then. You need time and space. Those episodes in Season three when Ross kept turning up at Rachel's office I just remember watching that and thinking 'Damn Ross, yep she's your girlfriend, but RESPECT her personal space and professional life' I think it's a shame we never got to see more of Rachel and Ross' relationship in season 10 when they were settled and ready for a serious, mature and meaningful relationship together.
Agree totally
15 years had passed since Friends finale and people still argue about Ross and Rachel, writers got their job done I guess, nobody is indifferent, that's great. They have everything to satisfy everyone's tastes, you like drama you pick RnR you like stable relationship you pick Mondler or you love them all, problem solved. It's good when there are options and diversity.
Good point, good point indeed
Ross and Rachel are that couple where you're like, "Oh my god you guys love each other, just put a ring on her finger already"
Thank you for this video. Thank you for showing that Ross and Rachel wasn't all drama and immaturity. YES I KNOW Chandler and Monica are without a doubt a better and a more mature couple, I'm Mondler all the way. BUT, Friends always tried to represent the real world and real problems. Ross and Rachel loved each other all 10 seasons, no matter how many partners each had. They were confused, they were angry, they were immature to realize it and they didn't act on it, and this is probably good. Monica and Chandler were lucky enough to both be in the place to start a serious relationship, Ross and Rachel never found the right time, because they never admitted that they want to be with each other. Last season, Rachel gets off the plane. They get together, finally. They both look that they're serious this time, and undoubtedly more mature. They went through a LOT of drama, but if it was to find their true path, it was totally worth it. Their love matured them, made them better persons. Yes, it was on and off. But it was all because they were each other's lobster.
"I got off the plane" was the sweetest words I could've heard to end this show. I would have been so pissed if they ended it without Ross & Rachael getting back together. Instead, I was left very satisfied.
Great review, as always. :-) ♡
I remember When Friends came on Netflix, and Everyone around me started watching it. And me Who had watched every episode extensively, noticed That suddenly every joke made in class was a little bit too familiar🤔
Dude what's with your cheeks man
@@RAMIC-tv1ye He got that Michael Jackson cheek cave in
That makes me feel old. I was in high school and college when it was on TV.
I hate that, during all my childhood teenage hood, I was the only one around me who watched this (in France) and everyone was like "that's so bad I don't like it" and now everyone like it? Juste because it's 90' hype? Please!
The White Bird holy crap! Lol sorry not trying to be creepy or anything but *omfg* you are seriously gorgeous 🙀
Thank you! A proper, fair, balanced and genuinely insightful look at the Ross & Rachel dynamic that actually recognises that their problems were caused by specific emotional insecurities and anxieties, compounded by misunderstandings and miscommunications. That doesn't blow those aspects of them out of all proportion, exaggerate, demonise, or take sides. And that remembers that when they *were* a couple, rather than being 'toxic' as so many people are so quick to label things, they were actually a damn good, loving couple before those insecurities and anxieties caused the breakup. Anger, fear, anxiety born of the break up kept them apart along with terrible timing, and having finally gotten around all of that, and matured past the emotional issues, can and should be a stronger better couple again. Some people just take longer to get there.
Ross and Rachel were both wrong for not communicating about what the definition of a break meant. And because Rachel suggested that they should be on a break she shouldn’t have assumed that he knew what she meant. And Ross shouldn’t have thought that break meant a break up. Communication is SOOOOOO important in ANY relationship. PERIOD!
Ross doesn’t love Rachel he married Emily but Rachel loves him more
@@umfares8538 Ross DOES love Rachel even BEFORE she ever
even reciprocates the love
What I found to be amazing was how they kept Monica & Chandler’s beautiful spark alive.
I actually really like the Ross and Rachel story arc. Although it was agonizing seeing them apart for so long, I also think it was good for them to be apart for some time because it enabled both characters to develop in different ways and mature before getting back together.
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say what you will about ross and rachel "i got off the plane" is the single most romantic and satisfying thing on film or TV. it was perfect. everything leading up to it was perfect. its honestly the most perfect version of the overused "race to the airport" trope. it was simultaneously hilarious and romantic. arriving at the wrong airport. pheobe trying to stop the plane with her premonitions of a broken "left phalange" on the plane, arriving at the right airport only to have rachel leave anyway, only to have rachel disrupt a 2nd flight and then arrive at the apartment two seconds after ross. Ross yelling at the answering machine "TRY TO UNDERSTAND!" as if it was happening in real time. and then he turns around and shes there. ahh it was so good.
ana arias that single line “ I got off the plane “ just made EVERYTHING for me. You worded this so perfectly, thank you
@Simone Volman She didn't leave Emma behind Reachel's mother ws going to taake the little girl to France later so it makes sense that she got off the plane for him because she was going to be with her daughter any way.
OMGGGG YESSS
i don't agree at all. Ross made her give up on her biggest dream to work with fashion in PARIS just to be with him when they clearly had a really toxic relationship from the beginning! Like if you love someone you wouldn't do that to that person... I actually disliked her decision in the last episode, like girl pls your relationship isn't healthy and will probably never be
@@lermendorpainsidan8858 although I understand what you're saying, and also believe she shouldn't give up her dream, Ross didn't make her do anything, she took that desision by herself. He opened another option to her and she took it. At the end, and despite Ross's feelings for her, she could have left.
Ross and Rachel will always be my OTP couple, no one can change my mind. Since the first episode that I support them and I can watch Monica and Chandler getting marry, having kids but I just can't prefer their perfect love, because I think love is not perfect like they look like, personally I prefer couples who fight for their love, they can be apart a lot of time but in the finale they will end up together, that's the hardest love and it was difficult for Ross to see Rachel with somebody else, and it was difficult for Rachel to Ross with somebody else but that means that they do love each other. Finally they are each other's lobsters, and that's what matters to me❤️
While I still suport Rachel and Ross as a couple, I do see why in the recent years, people tend to be against them. I believe Rachel & Ross was a product of its own time, where people were more often inclined to ideals of romanticism, soul mate and true love story, so all the "will they/won't they" was seen as a great journey of love for they overcome their obstacle and finally be a couple, and this kept the audience pumped and still cheering for them. Nowsday, people tend to be more pratical and less romantic, I believe due to the rush of they people's days in society, the advent of internet and immediacy of the new generation. So I understand how pepole now prefer a stable and firm couple like Monica & Chandler as they match most of the today society's trends
I think it's feminism mostly, look at that outcry about Paris (females mostly blaming Ross for everything, even though that was Rachel and Rachel only decision to stay with him, and proof is that that was Jennifer Aniston influence cause she was Ross and Rachel strong supporter and she still is). I noticed that Ross and Rachel have more support from people outside of USA and EU countries, like India or Russia or South America because feminism isn't that strong there and people still value romance that overcomes obstacles than practical relationship, look at those south american soap operas. Also most mondler fans are women ( at least judging by comments from mostly female nicknames, I guess because they like Chandler more than Ross. I for example like Rachel more than Monica so I wouldn't pick Mondler over RnR no matter what, simply because I'm a man and I'm Rachel fan
@@MrFriendsfan no Indian friends fan actually like mondler better in most cases.visit quora n there you'll see. Most bcz Indians love a stable relationship while Ross n Rachel were like a Trainwreck. People here think the ideal romance is when u find a person u stay loyal to him/her n you two stay together forever. As a Indian I personally do not like how Ross belittles Rachel's career in fashion either. He basically just wanted her to stay inferior to him so he doesn't HV to feel he may lose her
As someone who watched "Friends" when it was on the air, I can say this is completely untrue. I NEVER shipped Ross and Rachel! And it was ALWAYS Monica and Chandler for me! Not romantic?! When they want to be together still after London - romantic. When they first declare they're in love with each other - romantic. When they almost elope in Vegas on a whim because the dice said so - romantic. When they decide to move in together - romantic. They're proposal - romantic. When he tells her he wants a marriage, not a wedding - romantic. When he tells her he likes "maintaining" her - romantic. When she tells him "old job, new job, you" - romantic. Monica and Chandler CONSISTENTLY give me butterflies I don't EVER get with Ross and Rachel. Just because they have a different trajectory and different moments doesn't make them any less romantic.
@@Someone-hl5gr I just saw a lot of indian people comments shipping Ross and Rachel, I don't tell all indians ship them and Ross does nothing special about Rachel career. She's actually totally independent and make decisions herself. At least that was her and only her decision to stay with Ross in 10th season. Ross had never been against her career per se, he just was jealous of her new coworkers, that's a bit different situation.
@@ItsKimOlson sorry that wasn't true, Mondlers simply didn't exist in the first half of the show. They never had anything romantic between them. Most people shipped Ross and Rachel in the first half anyway, that's objective truth, they elevated the show in early seasons.
I loved the couple ever since i started watching as a kid. some might say their relationship was 'toxic' or 'unhealthy' but at the end of the day they did love each other but it was repressed for a long time. and every relationship is complicated in some way. mostly negative comments here but i always rooted for them
I just finished watching Friends for the first time! And the whole time I was rooting for them, so thanks for this! ❤️☺️
Ok I know this was just posted but I have to say, I love these video series. Friends, Mad Men, GOT, the sopranos. There are so many things to talk about and so many perspectives to tackle. I absolutely love Screenprism for exploring them and creating this wonderful content.
Monica and Chandler all the way
I'm totally on board with you! Who needs constant drama (Roschel) when you can have patience and stability (Mondler)?
Mondler ? Really? Mónica becomes more and more manipulative and controller,and Chandler is basically her pet. The moment when Mondler become so unrealistic is at the begining of season 9 with the Toulsa's job,(how he gets the job),then he quits and says to Mónica: i dont wanna have kids right now. So Mónica broke with Richard for that reason, but here she acts like It was not a Big deal ( It was her biggest desire).
Then Chandler get the job in advertisement without any preparation? Sure!!!!!!
And to keep the balance, Mónica becomes the Main Chef . I could continue
Nah, Monica and Richard
@@fernandogonzalezfarinas9685 still way better than Roschel instant drama thing
@fernando gonzalez fariñas
Idk what’s wrong with you, bud, but you need to get your shit together.
Monica never manipulated, she had her desires and she fought for what she wanted, but sometimes she couldn’t get it. It wasn’t wrong for to break up with Richard because he didn’t want kids, she was completely in the right and deserved someone who would like kids with her. That’s when Chandler came in and rocked her world in the show, she never manipulated Chandler, she always wanted the best for him and at their wedding, she traded in the wedding dress she wanted so badly for the band Chandler wanted at their wedding and if you still keep saying she was manipulative then I can keep going on and on about how she’s not.
I personally loved the Ross & Rachel storyline across the entire 10 seasons!
Hated the break up lol. :-)
Totally
It was love worth waiting for because they both needed to grow and mature as well. At the beginning of them getting together they were both very set on their ways and that was a problem that eventually created the "we were on a break" situation. Ross wanted what he almost had with Carol and when he didn't get it he tried again forcefully with Rachel and didn't work (jealousy, possesiveness, etc.). Rachel wanted out of the life that had been set for her with Barry and live freely, something she didn't have with Ross as he constantly reassured her of their future together(fear of commitment, of being told what to do). After the breakup they both had the chance to see the other's perspective and work on their own issues, with Ross being spontaneous and getting into situations without a plan, meanwhile Rachel got to experience getting a job, marriage and having a baby in a way that let her see she that was what she wanted all along and could coexist with personal freedom. That is when they finally get together, when they can both understand and respect each other's points of view and work them out together by finding a balance.
The creators of the show are absolute geniuses! So much of true relationship psychology is portraited and taught.
I don’t care what people say, I love Ross and Rachel. And I love your videos about friends 💜
Agreed! They were my favorite on the show.
Real
Amazing video! But I hate the fact that people are just suddenly hating on Ross and calling him insecure , selfish etc. All the characters had their issues
Rachel was entitled, self centered and selfish but became more responsible over time.
Monica had this perfect vision of life but learns to roll with the punches later.
Phoebe was eccentric which is great, but can get too much sometimes.
Chandler was sort of superficial in the initial seasons but the relationship arc changed him.
Joey slept with women, did not call them back and took shit loads of money from Chandler!
The same way, Ross was insecure but he had other aspects too like he was very caring. By the final season he wanted Rachel to stay in NY but let her go because he grew as a person too. Season 3 Ross did not do that.
Rachel was selfish in the relationship many many times too, with Julie, her going to London, not wanting him to date when she was pregnant etc. But they change and become more mature
So why the hate!
The only reason no can come up with is all of the hate "nice guys" get these days Ross is a prototypical example of those types of guys. Hating Ross is just an extension of those ideas. At least that's what I see.
@@broken12smiles the problem with the argument is that the only thing "nice guy"-ish about ross is that hes a geek pinning for a beautiful woman. he always respects rachels decision to date other people. he didnt criticize her for dating paulo. yeah he hated paulo and (rightfully) thought paulo was awful but he never said things like "girls only like_____, they dont like nice guys like me!" or tried to portray her as being shallow. it was perfectly clear to him that it was his fault for not making a move on her sooner.
exactly. no one seems to notice the fact that he grew out of those qualities and he typically admits that hes wrong like with phoebe and the whole evolution debate which she ended up making fun of him for giving up on his argument, and the episode with the Manny was about ross' masculinity issues. at the end Sandy the manny helped him address those issues which were related to his father discouraging his intellectual interests (dinosaurs) rather than athletic interests. his father used to tell him "what are you doing playing with those dinosaurs go outside and play like a real boy". i think a lot of ross' issues were resolved by the end of the show.
@@inasaira8380 Love this, Ross deserve the love as much as the others!
@@inasaira8380 Dude, come on. What about the time when Ross insisted on coming to Rachels office for their anniversary, when she had demands at work?Would it be excusable if she did that to him? That whole fiasco showed a blatant disrespect for her and her career that she worked so hard for, especially after he used to not like that she was "just a waitress." It was totally selfish of him, it was like saying her aspirations are less important than her ability to be available for him. If you really love and respect someone you wouldnt do something like that. Not to mention his jealousy towards her about Mark, which turned out to be totally unfounded...and then HE goes on to sleep with someone else. Their relationship only works out in the end because Rachel decides to give up a dream job and a life in Paris. Not to mention, Ross isnt that nice, he's constantly being condescending to the other friends throughout the show.
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Yes he did those things but he changed that's the point. Chandler also objectified women in the beginning, Joey technically objectified them till the end (love Joey though!) People forget their transgressions but don't see that Ross changed too. In his case the argument is not so simple also because he was not a misogynistic person that people today make him out to be. Yes he was selfish with regards to Rachel's career. But he learnt later. And in the Mark thing no doubt sleeping with someone else is not something anyone should excuse, but that issue was also not so black and white because he had insecurities after the whole Carol thing. Rachel not stopping Mark from coming over triggered that for him. No justification, what he did was wrong, but what she did was not exactly right. Anyway, my point is that Ross is getting all the hate where people are making him out to be a monster and not focussing on other good aspects of his personality, which he definitely had. He was not more condescending compared to others, they all teased each other to the same extent, if anything , Ross was constantly teased about marrying a Lesbian, that was not his fault how could he have known if Carol did not know. But he was teased on being a nerd, his marriages etc just like the others were on their things.
People often talk about the toxicity of Ross n Rachel's relationship but I don't see them try to analyze the why. Both Ross and Rachel are very flawed and immature people in the beginning of the show. Ross thinks too much of himself, while Rachel, too little. I believe that the fact that they got together so early in the show (not talking bad about the show's writing, just about them as person) really contributed to the disaster that was their time together throughout seasons 2 and 3. Comparing to Chandler and Monica, that had their problems in the show's early seasons, but when got together in season 5 were alrealdy more mature (and old) people. Ross and Rachel had to be apart, had to first grow independently so they could finally work as a couple. Also, mainly in the mid seasons (5,6,7) they were able to build a genuine friendship as they were not the main couple of the show anymore.
Because of all of that, I think the couple that made up in the series finale was very different from the one of the beginning. They were more complete and mature people, and at that time they really had that friendship foundation that Monica and Chandler had. Their relationship would no longer be toxic and disfunctional, because they weren't toxic and disfunctional individuals. A fact that illustrates that well is when they had Emma, and their feelings were on the surface again, they thought that would be better to take things slow, since now their relationship would affect directly another life. I don't picture the Ross and Rachel of the first seasons as having this cautious and mature approach to this kind of situation.
15 years after the last episode.
FRIENDS STILL ROCKIN THE WORLD!
Chandler & Monica > Ross & Rachel
Totally agree with you! Chandler and Monica were a more stable pairing, and they made more effort in their relationship, since they both grew up fighting for love. Ross and Rachel, by contrast, were both spoiled by their parents, and tried to vie for control of the relationship.
@@trinaq I know they are my goals relationship wise! Just so different and yet work perfectly ❤
+Helena Kristins Likewise, you wouldn't think that a neurotic chef and a laidback goof would work well together, but thanks to Matthew Perry and Courteney Cox's incredible chemistry, you can't help but root for them!💘
@@trinaqYes! BOth equally whiny and spoiled. At least Monica and Chandler grew up in the end. They became much more likeble people than Ross amd Rachel ever were.
Joey & food > other 3 couples
No matter what people say. I love them together😍😍
It seems I am the only one who actually love this couple. Sure it has flaws now with our 2019 look but I was so rooting for them back then and still am now!
I absolutely loved this! I grew up watching Friends and rooting for Ross and Rachel, and while I recognise how toxic and unhealthy their relationship is, I still can't help but love these two. In this day and age, I completely get why people don't, but when you take into account television trends during the '90s, the whole will-they-or-won't-they trope was widely popular for its time and keeping them apart meant keeping things interesting. I mean, I'm all for healthy depictions of romance and I love Monica and Chandler too, but Friends wouldn't have been the same without the Ross and Rachel angst. Healthy relationships work well in real life, but they often translate to "normal" and "boring" on television, so I completely understand why the writers didn't get them back together until the very last episode. I mean, I just finished watching The Office and I preferred Dwight and Angela over Jim and Pam! They were WAY more fun to watch. I think Ross and Rachel's relationship was HUGELY dramatised for this reason and of course, if this were real life, there's no way it would work out, but it's television and so they did. Take it for what it is: entertainment and escapism.
Maybe it's just me, but I've always preferred the more unconventional couples in TV shows and there's no denying that Jennifer and David had amazing chemistry together. They're a romanticised, idealised and unrealistic couple, but I think the actors made them believable and easy to suspend disbelief for. Well, at least for me, anyway! This video is totally right when they said we define Ross and Rachel by those iconic moments and I don't think I will EVER watch another TV show with a finale as satisfying and exhilarating as hearing Rachel say, "I got off the plane". They'll always be my favourite TV couple!
Sorry this was so tl;dr lol. Basically, I love Ross and Rachel!
No matte what, Phoebe was right, Rachel is Ross' lobster. 😭
"It's a known fact that lobsters fall in love and mate for life. You can actually see old lobster couples walking around their tank, holding claws."
Real
My ex told me I was his Rachel. This makes me miss him. Although we are just friends right now and both have moved on. I will always love him though, as a person.
I see a lot of comments about how Ross and Rachel were toxic and that Chandler and Monica have a way better relationship. Yes, thank you for stating the obvious. I mean I can't remember a single time C&M have gotten into an argument that was affective in any way to the show. And yes they would be pretty perfect as a couple irl but for a TV show, they were just boring. Ross and Rachel made the show and their storylines were the most iconic scenes of the show (Prom Video, Ross Finds Out, The Last One). Their will-they-wont-they relationship was so interesting and made you keep watching. So idk if some of y'all meant you liked C&M more than R&R in irl sense or TV show sense. But in conclusion Chandler and Monica is better for an irl relationship but Ross and Rachel were way better as a TV show, period.
100% AGREE. Ross and Rachel were fun, addictive and kept you on your toes! I LOVED it!
@@Likeneonlove yes! 👍
idk monica and chandler were pretty entertaining to me.. especially when they acted out in bad ways but always came together in the end and it made their relationship stronger.
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well I guess maybe nobody actually said that Monica and Chandler weren't even slightly Entertaining just that Ross and Rachel were more Entertaining or something
You know, this show ended when I was like 5 or so, which meant it wasn't long before they started playing re-runs on TV. When they did, I would see Friends on TV and never really gave it a chance to actually sit down and watch it. This means my only knowledge of the whole Ross and Rachel romance was fed to me by what I heard pop culture told me. My friend was familiar with Friends and told me that the Ross and Rachel romance was annoying. SO, when I finally decided to watch the series a month ago or so, I was prepared to be annoyed by them. However, I can say that I really liked them together and was never annoyed by their romance. They had ups and downs but I really can't find them as toxic as people say they are. Honestly, I love Ross and Rachel as much as Monica and Chandler
Something that everyone seems to overlook is that Ross was nearly black-out drunk during the "we were on a break" fiasco. That doesn't mean he didn't do anything wrong at all, but it also wasn't a sober decision that he would normally make
I'm here only for the *WE WERE ON A BREAK* wars.
It is because they LOVED each other that they ended up together. Do you actually BELIEVE that you can just MATCH people together. Love isn’t just “omg they have the same interests they’re perfect for each other. Just wanted you to know that love isn’t always perfect. It is something you have to fight for.
Here I am reading the comment section and being astonished by all the R&R hate... I naively thought everyone was shipping them. I'm in my own happy little R&R bubble I guess... I think they're just great and absolutely love them.
The Ross and Rachel romance was cute for about 2 1/2 seasons. After that, it became clear that they were not a good match. Many other commenters have listed the MANY reasons why, so I will not go into all of them. Their relationship was immature and toxic. Neither character was 100% at fault, they both displayed selfish, manipulative behavior on occasion. That is not the way real love and healthy relationships are supposed to work. if you INSIST on looking for a true and loving relationship on Friends, look no further than Monica and Chandler's love story. THEY display true "relationship goals," while Ross and Rachel display turbulence, toxicity, and the selfish immaturity of (most) high-school-teenage-drama-filled-relationships.
Yeah right. Monica and Chandler may have been the steady couple on the show, but their relationship was far from perfect either. Especially with Monica's overbearing bossy manipulative ways. Like who demands the fiance to use all the money from a savings account to a wedding? Monica bossed Chandler around and never let him do anything- She was the boss and Chandler had to dance to her demands. In real life, no man would put up with behaviour like that. Monica knew how to be extremely selfish.
@@ntiadicted I am not saying that their relationship was perfect; there is no such thing as a perfect relationship. But it was MUCH healthier than the toxic monstrosity known as Ross and Rachel!
@@metro121482 Oh look, a word we have never heard before: TOXIC... LOL
ntiadicted Monica could be demanding and shrill as hell but when it came down to it, she was incredibly generous and patient. The fact that she put up with Rachel (who was pretty insufferable at first imo) for so long should speak to that. She made many sacrifices too and never once complained when they couldn’t conceive a baby.
You see no irony in whining about people having opinions and analyzing a source of entertainment? Comedy shows have character development and conflict too.
I don’t really get those who judge Ross and Rachel in realistic terms, like “toxic” and all that stuff. You can see Chandler and Monica through that kind of lens (not the toxic part). But the Ross and Rachel mess simply gets to extremes that wouldn’t be believable in real life, and it gets there for our enjoyment, not because they wanted to make a social commentary on couple issues. It’s really one of those cases where my advice to the aspiring therapists out there would be “guys, it’s a tv series couple. Don’t take all the crazy stuff they do too seriously.”
Very true. We owe Ross' 3x divorces, Vegas and Rachel/Joey etc. to the writers and producers *unable* to draw a finer balance between comedy and drama. For that pushing Ross and Rachel through all these shenanigans, had the positive effect that we came to "adore" them, but the negative effect was that we eventually had grown tired of it all ... and just wanted to see them together. So, becoming too repetitive and inconsistent.
@@dvchel Just review creator's explanation on that Paley Fest 1996 of "putting these magnets in forced unnatural wrong polarity way. If let it natural way - they click immediatelly" (c) my explanation. ⚡ It was just a show to be watched by millions.
David and Jen in the very last minutes of last episode, looked absolutely natural together like it wasn't for camera at all! Writers stopped messing with them - all became to look corny/trivial, but normal according to Nature's law.
Ross and Rachel aren't just a couple, they becamed best friends, and they have grown after 10 seasons
Ross and Rachel are perfect for each other
@@belhlv they are the only ones who can actually stand each other
This girl hit it right in the nail when they talked about the Will They, Won’t They plot device. The problem is not that the writers are bad at portraying relationships, it’s that couples who get together smoothly and work things out in a healthy way don’t make for exciting TV. The writers need to keep things dramatic to keep the audience interested, so they throw in problems and obstacles, and accidentally make their relationship unhealthy in the process. The sad reality in many TV shows is that the healthy couples are usually the ones who have less focus on the show than the “main” ones. This is why I try not to easily dismiss couples on TV shows. It’s not the writers’ fault for creating the circumstances that make couples seem toxic, it’s the audience’s fault for needing that sexual tension to stay invested in the show.
The love of ross and rachel is beautifully put together ❤️
Honestly the reason why people hate Ross and Rachel is because they just hopped on the hater train as usual. I wish people can actually think for themselves. Another reason is because Rachel and Ross are more realistic on how relationships are. Many people can relate to it even tho its an over dramatic version of it. People like watching the fake version of love not the real one. Lets be honest.
Not gonna lie the only "will they, won't they" relationship stories in sitcoms that i like were Jim and Pam from the office. But i'm still gonna watch this cause i love your content
HaliniSnow what about bones?
And at least Jim and Pam stayed together and weren’t broken up a million times.
They were pretty toxic as well. Jim blatently didn't respect Pam's relationship with Roy and constantly tried to undermine it and Pam would overtly flirt and act affectionate with Jim; the only justification is that Roy was kind of an asshole.
That's pretty immature and shitty to do. If Pam wanted to be with Jim and not Roy, then she needed to just end it with him, and Jim was trying to break up an engagement for his own benefit.
Watch B99 and Jake and Amy's relationship
@@deamae7657 That was done well bc they got to it pretty quickly and their relationship has only progressed rather than have made up drama
Honestly seeing them both grow and mature and earn the love they have for each other is so beautiful
They are each other's lobsters 😍🥰
Do one on Niles & Daphne - they waited even longer!
who are they?
Characters in Frasier. I feel ancient now lol
But *man* was the beginning of that relationship just full of some pretty creepy, messed up stuff and a power dynamic that just...it worked out in the end but looking back, it wasn't so great in/out of context.
@@Kaldurahm1 Creepy messed up stuff...what are you talking about?
Wow! I'm ashamed to say I haven't thought about Frasier in years! Seeing your comment makes me want to watch the entire show again.
One of the best tv couples !
I've never got the hate this two get. I mean they weren't extremely healthy, but they were entertaining and pretty sweet at times. You could, at most times, feel the little tension they had, the little hope that they would be together again someday, when they were ready. I like that Chandler and Monica turned into the main couple in the later seasons, because Ross and Rachel were getting too old and it was refreshing to see a healthy, well-built relationship like Mondler. But I also really feel like they grew through the seasons, specially Ross, and how having a baby together changed their dynamic so they could learn to be a team rather than two people kind of horny and messed up for each other. So to me, it made sense for them to get together at the end, when they're lives were kind of solved and they were more functional adults
Thank u for seeing both sides before judging, yes Ross n rach was unhealthy but it’s what kept us invested in the show
So beautiful. Oh couldn't at all handle seeing the snippet of the break-up scene again, it was so painful. This is also one of the everlasting couples because of their chemistry. Today, there are a lot of shows, especially the Arrowverse shows, where they just put people together that don't have that same spark, the writers don't know how to write good relationships or both (Arrow, The Flash). Will always wish that the original Monica/Joey relationship would've gotten a chance
I ❤ Ross and Rachel
The only justification for Ross and Rachel is "it's a tv show". In reality, these on-off mega dramatic relationships are always bad. People think "we keep getting back together, it must be fate" whereas they should think "we keep breaking up, we're obviously incompatible". Ross should have treated Mona better and stayed with her. Rachel... I'm not sure I liked any of her long term boyfriends.
I dont remember rachel having any serious relationship
They weren’t constantly breaking up though. After they break up in season 3, they just kept hinting at getting back together without actually going for it until the very end. As previous comments have stated, it’s more that they weren’t mature enough to handle a serious relationship during those early seasons, and held way too idealized, unrealistic expectations for each other. The rest of the show consists of them building a meaningful friendship without those expectations. It’s not until the end that they’re really ready to be together again.
Incorrect Mona with Ross. There is no feeling between them.
With just over 2 months she made a double Christmas card without first consulting Ross to find out who their relationship was. She didn't love} Ross, she loved being with Ross, which is totally different.
I think it's more like "we keep getting back together, we still have feelings for each other, but we don't want to admit that because we were hurt". Which is bad. But it doesn't mean "incompatible."
You Guys! Phenomenal breakdown!👏🏽wow! Im blown away. 😭😍😊 as a hopeless romantic, I love how you were able to analyze this couple & their relationship. Bravo! Can’t wait to see what’s next! Keep it up!
Why Ross and Rachel?
Because they never knowinly hurt eachother, yes, there where mistakes, but they both evolved and matured. They loved eachother sincerly. And that fact prevaled.
I think the writers dragged it out too long and didn't leave nearly enough room for a truly satisfying reunion at the end. Instead trying to throw Joey in the mix and other bullshit, they should have spent the time showing the effects and rewards of all that personal growth they had painstakingly built up since the characters split.
Ross and Rachel are the couple of all couples
Thank you, this was a very motivating analyses. Nowadays, videos lke this often sound like blaming people for tapping in traps (like the "nice guy" or "pixi dreamgirl") ignoring that there may be reasons or different character types responsible for this (ever if there are problems in behaving like or expecting it). Critisism is important but blaming doesn't help. So this is motivating because you point out the reasons for the behavior (and that the makers of frients were aware of this)
I cry every time I watch them breaking up. I think I'm gonna make it and then he goes, "Without these arms..." and I become a sobbing mess.
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MONDLER
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People may hate Rachel & Ross’ relationship but I do believe their relationship is very realistic nowadays. I’ve seen the relationships of people around me, family & friends that are rocky, toxic, & turbulent. Sometimes you have to face that the relationship in real life does not necessarily come easy & smooth sailing just like Monica & Chandler’s relationship (their relationship is real goal ofc). Especially if you have a couple that is not matured, unstable, short tempered & spoiled, like Rachel & Ross. Very opposite with Monica & Chandler (Monica can be controlling at times but she is mature, stable, not spoiled & tough while Chandler may be silly but he is also not spoiled, independent, & relatively stable both financially & emotionally).
This video is my one true love cuz I keep coming back hundreds of times and never get bored
Who else thinks that nowadays that Ross/Rachel are living no more then a mile away from Monica/Chandler on Long Island and have had another kid since the show ended?
Joey&food > Chandler&Monica > Ross&Rachel > Phoebe&Mike
Timestampman phoebe and mike were much healthier than Ross and Rachel
How did u think of 23 minutes worth of talking about ross and rachel
Part of what made their story so exciting was how unpredictable and novel it was when first broadcast in the 90's. Until Ross and Rachel, the only other representation of the "Will they/Won't they" debacle were Sam and Diane from "Cheers" and David and Maddie from "Moonlighting".
They managed over 15min on Gunther... Ugly Naked Guy vid coming soon!
It's analyzing my friend
@@alainalmero3658 ya what
@@PompeySomerstown looking into his transformation from "cute naked guy" as mentioned in a flashback?
Can you please do a glee analysis?
Santana's psychology?
The tragedy of finchel?
The power of a diva?
Highschool?
I love a good slow burning relationship, especially in a trope "from friends to lovers", ESPECIALLY in "from enemies to friends to lovers", for example, Bellamy and Clarke in The 100. But I HATE when the writers make couple break up again, or keep them separated for some reason, because for the love of god they can't write a happy couple that is interesting.
You know which will they won't they relationship is truly great? Jake and Amy from Brooklyn 9-9. We were all invested in them when they weren't together, and we are still now, when they are married. This is a good writing.
It scares me to hear when people compare relationships to "Ross and Rachel" because it is fiction.
this video brought a lot of feelings for me.
i remember being so invested in the will they or won't they of Ross and Rachel.
i remember telling my wife that she was my lobster, and believing it with my whole heart.
i still haven't been able to understand why she left me. how could my heart have been so wrong? or is this the Ross and Rachel breaking up to get back together?
i don't know.
either way, thank you for another video that makes me think. i appreciate your work.💗
Is it wrong of me to think that her breaking up with him isn’t her intentionally hurting Ross?
Carolina Berrilleza no I agree
It is a bit wrong mate
But ok I always hated rach
Say what you want, but Ross and Rachel are endgame and you can’t change my mind
Agreed
Right, they were VERY messy, but they loved each other in a way most couples wish they could love like that
Please do a take on Daria next!
lorenzo de vera omg! Yes
I never liked the relationships that were on and off. It would have been better if they paired them off from the beginning and build it from there. It wouldn’t get in the way of their own personal development, we would love their relationship more and when they have kids it will feel complete without having to practically ignore their personal development. There’s a reason Gomez and Morticia Addams were so awesome as a couple.
*Ross and Rachel are not Odysseus and Penelope; the latter wanted to see each and stayed faithful while Ross and Rachel never properly synced together until the very end of the show.
J'acob Albers but don’t you think that’s how real life goes a lot of the time? If anything imo that makes aspects of them relatable
Kian Daneshi so why is the “Ross and Rachel the only type that is used now? There should be more Gomez and Morticas in the modern romance films and films in general.
@@Charolette21 because its easier writte on and off relationship than writte something like a real healthy couple
fernando gonzalez fariñas Then writers better step up their game if they are going to write a decent relationship ark.
Odysseus went to bed with a random marooned girl for SEVEN YEARS. But then again, Menelaus forgave Helen (though I digress, she didn’t want that either), so who knows?
Love this comment section. Taking things so seriously, throwing around the word 'toxic' like there's no tomorrow. It's seemingly harmless, it a SITCOM! People saying that it's unrealistic, this entire show is unrealistic.
Give me MONDLERRRRRR!!!!!
Loved that you pointed out the odysseus and Penelope archetype. Amazing video 🔥
people overthink Ross and Rachel relationship and try to rationalize it too much, the thing is creators simply wanted to keep them apart because they thought it makes Friends more popular, they're actually ideal couple from this point of view, to stir drama and suspense, note that almost every season finale except few seasons revolves around Ross and Rachel drama.
It's ridiculous how literally people take Ross and Rachel nowadays! I loved all their drama! Not because I want that in my own real life relationships, but because it's TV and it's entertaining! It's not that hard to separate the two!
I think people take everything a little too seriously now with these deep, critical hot takes that don't allow for any flaws or mistakes or nuance in characters or rls before everyones fave buzzwords toxic and abusive are being thrown out. Notice how these comments almost all sound like the same bandwagonny twitter bs and you can see how little people think for themselves anymore. It's a vastly overrated sitcom that ended almost 20 years ago, its just not that deep anyways.
I don't think that was only from misunderstanding the word "break" cause people forget that Ross actually calls Rachel from the club and they even are ready to patch up things, but then he hears Mark;s voice over the phone, who invited himself to Rachel, and she didn't object, the same Mark that was the main reason of Ross's jealousy prior. He just thought she already betrayed him first and cheated on him.
Thank you! It's insane how black and white some people view the whole break up. People just call Ross a cheater, without seeing the whole picture. These Ross haters make me concerned about the humankind. If we look at all conflict situations in such a black and white light, there's no hope for humanity.
You are almost absolutely right!
Details!
Devil hides in them!
Details matter
Can we have one of these about Monica and Chandler?
Please make a video like this one for Monica and Chandler. They're such a beautiful and loving couple ❤
Excuse me: "Ross hurting Rachel and Rachel hurting Ross"... All of the examples I saw was Ross hurting Rachel and her reacting to it like a normal human being! His list, his cheating, his extreme jealousy... The writers made Ross the worst person (not that Rachel is perfect, but we're talking about him here) in the show. Anytime she's happy, he finds a way to fuck it up. They shouldn't even have had Emma, poor kid! I can't even imagine how terrible it can be growing up with those two as parents. If there's ever a new special episode, we'll find out they are either divorced or about to divorce and trying to make it work for whatever reason.
I agree but wow you jumped to another level Rachel seduced Ross which resulted in Emma. Also, Rachel became an amazing parent. So to say they shouldnt have had her lol thats pretty messed up.
@@TKEGOODIES I know they are good parents, but I mean they shouldn't have had her in a "these two to be more exact" way. If Rachel had had Emma with someone else or Ross had had Emma with someone else (He had Ben and he was g-... Well, he tried really hard. A bit homophobic and trying to impose this macho thing in Ben but tried really hard, and he loved his son, no doubt), it would be more ideal. I don't mean that they can't be good parents, but for a child to be caught up in the mess the two were is very dangerous. There is a scene with Ross changing Emma's diaper (when he sings "I like big butts" to her) where he tells her "doesn't matter what you mother says, we were on a break", he hasn't let go of that and neither did Rachel, which means in the future whenever they have a problem together, they will 100% rub it to each other's face (probably along with their other stories) and involve the poor kid in the story, and probably will try and force her to choose a side. That can be very traumatic for a child.
@@becademarques i get it you're 100% right my point is that's not Ross fault. He can't tell Rachel to have a child. Its her decision so being her decision alone. It's up to Rachel to decide if it is a good choice to have Emma knowing that Ross is still a man child. I can't blame Ross for a decision he has no right to make. So if he is toxic unfortunately its on Rachel to make the call.
@@becademarques But lol there's always a But it is Ross responsibilities as a father to forego the past and raise Emma devoid of thier past histories and problems
@@TKEGOODIES Oh, Rachel is a whole other rabbit hole. I mean, the fact she chose to stay in that on and off with Ross is just a proof that she didn't mature enough to recognise what was just in front of her. A relationship is composed by two people. She chose to stay with Ross even after he was revealed to be unreasonable and insensitive, while full knowing that she could have built a limit that would have made things a lot healthier to both of them. She chose, however, to just take him even as a 30-something-year-old man child. Even her ways to try and make him recognise he was immature were sometimes immature, because she is childish herself.
Some of my favorite episodes are the ones where they're happy together. I'm a big fan of Monica and Chandler too but admit to having also loved her with Richard! Then Phoebe and Mike absolutely stole my heart... Friends did couples well ❤
Oh, I can't forget Carol and Susan!! So sweet!
You should do a video about Jake and Amy from Brooklyn nine nine
MultiGloria42 THAT is true TV love! B99 has done their relationship perfectly.
Great video. Friends is just a hell of a series
Personally liked them - it was first time a tv show showed a real painful hard breakup, normally its like immediately they are friends no real pain for the purpose of TV. They showed a bad relationship but also had sweetness which is why its hard to sometimes let go . But overtime they grew up. In real life they wouldn't have ended up together as people can seperate post breakup. In this case as monica was her best freind and his sister and the show format they never really had the space to grow and leave each other.