I'd like to think you're rushing to judgement , but you're probably right. These two entities work together , which they have to , but it can definitely lead to what you're insinuating. Probably , more times than not.
I went to school with Mickey the Sheriff and speak to him regularly when I see him out in public, I can say this. He is not an angry man or quick to anger, a very calm and level person. The only thing I could ever seeing him lose his cool over is his children. He was super poor like everybody else growing up, he always took up for the other kids who were not able to defend themselves from bullies and no one really ever had a bad thing to say about Mickey. I don't think any jury in eastern Ky will convict Sheriff Stines. I've heard dozens of people around town is saying numerous things but they all point back to the same issue. But there is a camera in those chambers so a freedom of information order should let the public know exactly what occurred. I don't want to speculate but I think I can sympathize on why this might have happened. I've heard all the rumors but I don't want to say anything until its out in the open. Lets just hope they release the video quickly and it didn't disappear or wasn't recording or mysteriously vanish.
So, regardless of whether there were mitigating circumstances or not, are you saying that blatantly killing a person should automatically exonerate one from accountability? Don't forget, the Sherrif is supposed to uphold the law and not to act in similar ways as ordinary criminals do.
@@AlbertHess-xy7ky “Sheriff charged in judge’s death allegedly ignored deputy’s abuse of woman in judge’s chambers” this was an article from I think KBTX? lol
The rumor is that the judge messed with the sheriff's daughter. But that's just rumor. The FACT is that, just before the shooting, they switched and looked at each other's phone. Whatever was on the judge's phone is the reason for the shooting.
@@xx_Joker_xx The judgement will be that the sheriff is a murder. There was complaint filed against the judge. The sheriff is a criminal. That part is very clear.
"Where was the bailiff?" Really??? The bailiff most likely worked for the sheriff, and even if he did not the bailiff would have no reason to question the sheriff speaking privately to the judge in chambers. Why would any bailiff question it? Come on, the judge's bailiff did absolutely nothing wrong here.
I think it is probably true.Because that Sheriff is a straight arrow.It had to be something very terrible and very dark to drive the Sherriff to do what he did.
With law enforcement the hits just keep on comin these are human beings not robots like anybody else under a certain pressure r lost of control will snap
Wut? Have you ever been in a court room in your life? No officers don't remove their weapons in court rooms.. do you understand what your saying here? Imagine that...think real hard about what your saying here..would it ever be a good idea to have officers in a courtroom without their firearms??? Geez man
As a layperson, the reporter is foolish to say she can't see "any other outcome" or whatever. A very obvious and likely alternative is a "crime of passion" charge, given what we ALREADY KNOW happened just before the shooting, namely regarding the phones.
Bailiffs are court staff. They are not personal protection. Protection is provided by a deputy and who would have expected something like this to happen.
Law enforcement and judges should not be closely associating. When I was a law clerk to a federal judge, at a pretrial conference one of the US Attorneys and I started talking about a shared interest and he invited me to lunch, I declined politely because it could create a conflict of interest for a judge's clerk and a prosecutor to have a close relationship. Any judge who can't recognize this appearance of impropriety, that person shouldn't be a judge.
I'm like 90% on board, but the way you worded the ending seems to leave room for interpretation regarding what "recognize his appearance of impropriety" means. e.g. If my fat and ugly female friend decides to accuse me of groping her at a party just because she doesn't like my politics and considers herself "somewhat of a powerful witch", does that magically turn her childish lie into my "appearance of impropriety"? If so, nah.
No kidding! Now she wants parole & and thought the boys dad would vouch for her early release!! @cl5080 btw, I live near Clemson, so only an hour or so away. I remember everything about the day she was arrested. I just picked my then 2yo up & held him tight, with tears pouring down my face 😢😢 it was awful & her "reason" was so selfish. Evil, evil wretch! I hope she NEVER gets out!!!
Didnt they say town of 1700 residents??? If so the cauuse and effect looks very personal. Heck everyone at some point has to be related. And come on you cant even go there saying 1st degree heat of passion is never 1st degree. I see it has to be something to do with hes family it has to in a tiny town like that!
Nothing useful is being said to the public at large. I have doubts about the sanctity of this judge. Yes I feel for his family and friends. Just what prompted this Sheriff to take the law into his own hands and perpetrate this vigilant form of punishment.????????😮
Sounds like a judge and sheriff finally saw each others' true colors while pointing fingers at everyone in town. What does God have to say about this? Oh yes. Judge not............
The "close relationship" of judges, prosecuting attorney's and law enforcement is the exact recipe for a failed judicial system.
We hate that around here. Prosecutor and defense as well. No way to get ahead.
Sheriff and judge’s “close” relationships are what leads to a bias. This guy says it like it’s a good thing. Our justice system is irreparably broken.
Yup. Look at the guys nose, maybe google his last name. Step #1
I'd like to think you're rushing to judgement , but you're probably right. These two entities work together , which they have to , but it can definitely lead to what you're insinuating. Probably , more times than not.
Small counties. These people went to high schools with 50 people in the class. Everybody knows everybody.
Maybe this is a sign of what's coming in the Courthouse world
1:06 This isn't a proper emotional response
I went to school with Mickey the Sheriff and speak to him regularly when I see him out in public, I can say this. He is not an angry man or quick to anger, a very calm and level person. The only thing I could ever seeing him lose his cool over is his children. He was super poor like everybody else growing up, he always took up for the other kids who were not able to defend themselves from bullies and no one really ever had a bad thing to say about Mickey. I don't think any jury in eastern Ky will convict Sheriff Stines. I've heard dozens of people around town is saying numerous things but they all point back to the same issue. But there is a camera in those chambers so a freedom of information order should let the public know exactly what occurred. I don't want to speculate but I think I can sympathize on why this might have happened. I've heard all the rumors but I don't want to say anything until its out in the open. Lets just hope they release the video quickly and it didn't disappear or wasn't recording or mysteriously vanish.
So, regardless of whether there were mitigating circumstances or not, are you saying that blatantly killing a person should automatically exonerate one from accountability? Don't forget, the Sherrif is supposed to uphold the law and not to act in similar ways as ordinary criminals do.
No jury in ky will convict him?
I don’t think you could speculate anything bigger than that...
But what do I know? This should be interesting...
@@jskok3280damn fine point
Sheriff will be convicted.And go to prison.Like other citizens.
@@jskok3280 Not exonerate. Just mitigate. He will never be Sheriff again, a job he probably loved. But by all accounts, he loves his kids more.
Things play out a lot differently in KY.
Sounds like more to the story than being told. Maybe some inappropriate dealings with a child???? Time will tell
Bingo
His daughter
heard it had to do with sheriff's daughter...anybody else hear.
and it is facts
Judge was a skirt chaser.
The judge won't be fooling around with anymore 17 year old girls anymore.
@@Misha-do6pe Source?
@@AlbertHess-xy7ky “Sheriff charged in judge’s death allegedly ignored deputy’s abuse of woman in judge’s chambers” this was an article from I think KBTX? lol
wow..something big happened between these two..
Gays lover.
@@buddyhell7100 Honest to God. Was that necessary? How old are you?
LOL when is someone going to say what the beef was? He didn't just murder someone he had to be real real mad about something to throw his life away
Omg, this judge looks young. I saw that too about the daughter. If it is true though, she has lost her dad forever now. She may blame herself too.
Ugh it’s such a tough spot. Hopefully her mothers involved. Prayers to the family. Both families.
Where's the info about the daughter?
@@umbrellicwalks9430 they have not released it yet some of us know cause we are from there.
Do you know how old the daughter is??
@@shannonrusso3853 i’ve seen comments that she is 17 years old
People need Jesus
You can say that again. People need Jesus instead of guns.
Amen
I think people probably just need compassion, patience, ethics, and morals. All those are possible without any religion. But you do you.
Amen @@jskok3280
Ethics and morals come from god… Darwinian logic doesn’t work for morality…. If they came from nature it would be survival of the fittest.
The rumor is that the judge messed with the sheriff's daughter. But that's just rumor. The FACT is that, just before the shooting, they switched and looked at each other's phone. Whatever was on the judge's phone is the reason for the shooting.
How do you know that as fact? Just wondering.
Judge didn't realize he was dealing with a T 1000 Terminator.
The terminator will be terminated.
Seems like a sheriff would know the consequences of his actions
he did but wouldn't you of stopped someone hurting your daughter too?
I'm sure he does know. Wait for all info to come out before judging.
He does, hence the raised hands. He'd made an informed decision, decided it was worth it.
@@xx_Joker_xx The judgement will be that the sheriff is a murder. There was complaint filed against the judge. The sheriff is a criminal. That part is very clear.
@@lizlagle671 Does his daughter think it was worth it?
Or this all about his his sense of shame?
The me factor?
I have authority gone awry all the way around. No sense of morality, decency.
No judge should ever have a close relationship with the sheriff. Sheesh
But, yet it seems a judge having a "close relationship" with law enforcement is a matter of considerable esteem.
Watch that judge probably a sex offender or did something to that mans family or something.
BINGO
What I heard is the judge was grooming the sheriff's daughter
He was messing with the sheriff's under age daughter
I thought so,a guy just doesn't go and do that over a argument. I knew that there was something more to it.
At the end of the day nobody likes a judge 😂
specially not one that hurts a child
"Where was the bailiff?" Really??? The bailiff most likely worked for the sheriff, and even if he did not the bailiff would have no reason to question the sheriff speaking privately to the judge in chambers. Why would any bailiff question it? Come on, the judge's bailiff did absolutely nothing wrong here.
Congratulations to all the Sheriff officials thanks Kentucky.
Why does the judge look like Boy George?
KBTX article
“Sheriff charged in judge’s death allegedly ignored deputy’s abuse of woman in judge’s chambers”
Judge looks wicked in that photo
he was wicked and sick
@@Misha-do6pei wouldn't doubt it. More info will come out about this for sure
This is America, dont catch you slippin up
Do you have to make an appointment before meeting with a judge in his chambers?
And that is a PROBLEM.
“Remarkable”??? That is not the word that comes to mind when hearing this story.
And the guest judge starts laughing when talking about the Bailiff!! Could he be more insensitive?
Sheriff is the highest authority on the land
The judge got too close to the sheriff's underage daughter. This was my sheriff.
Only with the age difference not more than 10 years. The judge was 54 @@airadaimagery692
@@airadaimagery692 Not if the adult is in a position of authority.
@@airadaimagery692 You made this same comment elsewhere. Is there something you’d like to share with this TH-cam community? 😉
@@groundhog-plays can you show me where that is cited
@@cl5080 sure, id like to share that I looked up the age of consent in the state of KY.
On fb. It was saying that the judge was messing with his 17 year old daughter.
I think it is probably true.Because that Sheriff is a straight arrow.It had to be something very terrible and very dark to drive the Sherriff to do what he did.
It has to be something very personal
I heard that also
100% facts
Don't gossip.
The bailiff is only there during court I’m from a nearby town and are court houses only have the public around couple hours a day
Its "our" court, not "are" court!😂 We were taught this in second grade in "our" schools.
@@rogermosberger6856 get over yourself and leave people alone
Ya it’s something personal for sure
That is why all the facts need to be brought out in the open so you can see what was going on with this judge evidently something bad
The facts will be brought out at trial. There is no public need to try a criminal case on TH-cam.
With law enforcement the hits just keep on comin these are human beings not robots like anybody else under a certain pressure r lost of control will snap
Then why would sheriff need his weapons in the courthouse??shouldn’t everyone remove weapons? We see too much crime of all sorts? Who should we trust?
Wut? Have you ever been in a court room in your life? No officers don't remove their weapons in court rooms.. do you understand what your saying here? Imagine that...think real hard about what your saying here..would it ever be a good idea to have officers in a courtroom without their firearms??? Geez man
As a layperson, the reporter is foolish to say she can't see "any other outcome" or whatever. A very obvious and likely alternative is a "crime of passion" charge, given what we ALREADY KNOW happened just before the shooting, namely regarding the phones.
Sounds like the Judge might have been steppin' out with the Sheriff's wife or made an improper advance to the Sheriff's daughter.
Prior to his becoming Sheriff, Stines was Mullins’ bailiff, is what I understand.
The sheriff knew the legal system is rigged. So, while we watch criminals go free the sheriff delt out justice himself.
Thats what its seeming like to me..definitely more to this story that is being withheld at the moment.
The sheriff is part of the system.
And deserves the consequences of life in prison. Like anybody else would.
@@unbreakable7633 Im thinking he will use the temporary insanity plea.
@@DaveInCanada081 Very rarely works.
It doesn't sound like the sheriff and the judge weren't close at all because the sheriff wouldn't have done that. My prayers go to the judge's family.
True, but I wonder if the judge’s family saw all the fb posts about him and the Sheriff’s 17 year old daughter?
Was this in the Hatfield & McCoy area?
😂😂
Bailiffs are court staff. They are not personal protection. Protection is provided by a deputy and who would have expected something like this to happen.
Yea they lie for each other 😂😂😂😂😂
pictures of corruption !!!
Behavior Panel should be all over this!
"What was the relationship of the sheriff and judge?"
"Well usually these guys would be really tight"
Law enforcement and judges should not be closely associating. When I was a law clerk to a federal judge, at a pretrial conference one of the US Attorneys and I started talking about a shared interest and he invited me to lunch, I declined politely because it could create a conflict of interest for a judge's clerk and a prosecutor to have a close relationship. Any judge who can't recognize this appearance of impropriety, that person shouldn't be a judge.
I'm like 90% on board, but the way you worded the ending seems to leave room for interpretation regarding what "recognize his appearance of impropriety" means. e.g. If my fat and ugly female friend decides to accuse me of groping her at a party just because she doesn't like my politics and considers herself "somewhat of a powerful witch", does that magically turn her childish lie into my "appearance of impropriety"? If so, nah.
The judge should have complied .
The Sheriff had been the Judge's bailiff for quite some time.
What’s remarkable about it? Isn’t this the USA?
You hit the nail right through the coffin. Typical America.
They were messing around .
No they weren't goof
My state keep being on the news smh
Sorry, we had Susan Smith…we top your state 😂
No kidding! Now she wants parole & and thought the boys dad would vouch for her early release!! @cl5080 btw, I live near Clemson, so only an hour or so away. I remember everything about the day she was arrested. I just picked my then 2yo up & held him tight, with tears pouring down my face 😢😢 it was awful & her "reason" was so selfish. Evil, evil wretch! I hope she NEVER gets out!!!
Look at that judge and tell me you trust him with your kids!
Didnt they say town of 1700 residents??? If so the cauuse and effect looks very personal. Heck everyone at some point has to be related. And come on you cant even go there saying 1st degree heat of passion is never 1st degree. I see it has to be something to do with hes family it has to in a tiny town like that!
Corruption loves company
This incident is 100 times more horrible than a run of the mill criminal doing this kind of crime
The judge asked for his daughter and his blessings. The sheriff said no.
Mickey was bailiff for Judge Mullins unto 2018 when he was elected sheriff
Crazy Sheriff and judge really close.
Reports from a sheriffs assistant in this case, said there were on site witnesses .
He should have complied.
Exactly. I don't know if you live here, but you hit the nail on the head
Judges are arrogant. They like to play king.
They are pretty much kings in their courts; not in society generally. It is always best to respect the judge in court.
Police in fear for is life, he has the right to make it home to his family and kids.
Abusing folks god brought it to light 😮
A judge should ALWAY be better armed.
The lack of political affiliation is poking me in the eye. D
Apparently they were related through marriage - wives are sisters.
They married sisters
This one may have been way too close. Romantic possibly?
Power corrupts! These creeps are dirty.
People think about it the judge was probably no saint not condoning but notice a lot of things coming out of let her county
Condolences 😂That judge did something its obvious, The guy looks like Peter Griffin who shot him.And being a small town we might never find out.
Something else is going on between these 2.
17 year old daughter
17 isn't a child. Judge us a dirty old man? True? Rumors? Ick
17 years old is under age and a 54 year old Judge knows better that one didn't care he was a sicko
legal age is 17 BUT there can only be a 10 year age differance
Close,it couldn't have got any closer..Lets just say Daddy did what some Daddys think
Buen Trabajo Sheriff de Kentucky A today Madre.
Love triangle.
Nah hearing it was sheriffs daughter 😢
These judges love to play god.they forget that one day they will meet the true god and they will be judged.
Friendly fire❗👥
I read that the judge took advantage of the sheriff's underage daughter?????
Don't believe everything you read, and don't pass on rumors. The facts will come out at trial.
Back the Blue.............Till it happens to you!
Ky,no
Coruption yes we know...
Nothing useful is being said to the public at large. I have doubts about the sanctity of this judge. Yes I feel for his family and friends. Just what prompted this Sheriff to take the law into his own hands and perpetrate this vigilant form of punishment.????????😮
judges and sheriffs are gov skumm.
Them Kentucky people.
Sheriff probably asked judge to stop sleeping with his daughter respectfully lmaoooo 😂😂 no punt
Lovers quarrel probably.
Lovers quarrel
Your fk system is so Corrupted
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Did the judge have a very close (too close) relationship with the sheriff's wife perhaps?
under age daughter
Kisskissontheass
Were they lovers 🤔???
Sounds like a judge and sheriff finally saw each others' true colors while pointing fingers at everyone in town. What does God have to say about this? Oh yes. Judge not............
The judge won't be fooling around with anymore 17 year old girls anymore. Justice served.
Ohnoasskiss9nggoingonnowamongthecriminialsinthecourtroom
Lovers Quarrel?????
Was any fried chicken involved?
I heard the sheriff and the judge were gay lovers! Lover's spat!
you heard WRONG!!!
look like lovers
Do we know this wasn’t a homosexual event gone wrong? Seems obvious they were lovers.