She knew the style of the photographer before she hired her and loved it. When the photos were delivered to her, she loved them and raved about them. I think she showed them to a friend or relative who said “I can do better with my iPhone” and planted the seeds of doubt in her mind
I strongly suggest listening to the vendor table podcast where they interview the photographer. It will change your perspective on this. The photographer did EVERYTHING she should have PRIOR to booking & then tried EVERYTHING to make the bride happy. The bride decided she likes “true to color” after the fact. Not to mention she got over 2,000 photos & she dislikes about 50 photos. Come on now, does anyone LOVE every photo from their gallery? No they don’t. You love a lot of them but go unhinged over about 50 photos. The photographer finally decided to give her a few raw photos & then she blasts them on social media with her edits, which she told the photographer she wouldn’t do. She just wanted the raws for herself to print. Why are we even judging the photographer’s editing style? Everyone has their own style. This photographer is super talented & the edits are inline with her portfolio. The moments she captured were amazing. I don’t understand how other photographers are judging & picking apart someone else’s editing style. Wild to me. How are you agreeing with the bride when you don’t even have the Photographers side?? The bride has made over 30 tik toks bashing the photographer & now we have other photographers doing the same?? This is not ok. You don’t have to like her editing style, but to pick it apart & say it’s bad, that’s not ok!!!!
The thing is the photographer style IS ORANGE - that's all of her insta, her website everything. Its like booking a photographer for shooting black and white only and then asking where's the color 🤭
It was her video. When she saw the video versus the images and the color toning that the videographer used, then she was upset with the color toning of her images. They were two different styles. She should’ve found a videographer that would have matched the color toning of her photographer. Or vice versus.
I was a little surprised seeing another photographer say things like "this is bad". It really feels like a bad take to me, granted at this point in the video you hadn't looked at the photographers portfolio. Everyone needs to really take into account that photography is subjective, she has a style that is very consistent and the wedding photographs are edited in that way. It was her stylistic choice she has and shows in her work over and over, just because you don't like it doesn't mean its "bad" For my taste, yes it's too warm but that was the photographers style so i mean, is she really in the wrong? No, i don't think so. Going back 30 days later is nutty to me.
Yep that was the point! For my reaction with no context. Part 2 is coming this week : ) That's totally true, style is subjective, but "this is bad" is just my opinion based on the edits I saw. I think it looks terrible (the orange edit), and I'm totally fine if others think my style is terrible too! Everyone can have an opinion!
I felt the same way when I watched the first couple videos… then I looked at the photographer and saw that she is SO consistent.. then the bride KEPT posting videos (she was at 33 videos the other day!!) and that was v cringy to me.. and then LASTLY, I listened to the vendors table podcast of the photographers pov and I’m 100% team photographer. I empathize with this bride but yeah.. I don’t know.. it feels very much like she didn’t get what she wanted so now she’s trying to bully everyone into giving it to her/the photographer DID go above and beyond her contract and I think came to a great conclusion when she knew they weren’t going to come to a happy middle ground (also the $4000 included the copyright for the images which is insanneee)
This pretty much sums it up for me. I personally dislike the sepia/warm boho look, but there's a segment of the industry that LOVES it, and the photographer clearly chose to lean into the style and found success with it. There's no deception on her part, everything is perfectly in line with her previous work. You can hate the look, or whatever--but to side with the bride when she got almost exactly what was promised is baffling
This look was popular 4-5 years ago. It was a trend all over IG. There were many people selling presets with this look. I know cause I bought one. I edited an entire wedding with this "look" and almost vomited cause it was just too much. A handful of images was fine but an entire collection made it looked ridiculous and borderline amateurish. I've come to learn that the best way to edit wedding photos is to keep them timeless. And the best way to keep them timeless is to keep them natural and not jump onto trends. Jumping on trends is the easiest way to date your photos/artwork.
Style or not it's awful. I find it hard to believe that people actually like this colouring. I actually did look through the Photographer's Insta and all I saw was yellow, gold, brown and bronze. You need to go way back to see when she knew colours like blue, green, red, white etc in her photography. She clearly developed this style over years and has obviously been successful with it. There obviously are people out there that like these tones. Not me nope...it just changes the beauty of our natural colours.
In the 80's, with my Nikon FE2 and gear, I was asked to shoot several weddings. I always said - "I'll do it for free, if you pay for the film, BUT only if I am NOT the main photographer." I NEVER wanted the crushing weight of being the paid wedding photographer. It's a stress load I refuse to embrace. Hat's off to all the real wedding photographers out there. You have my respect (and my sympathy).
I’ve been a weeding photographer for 24 years. Started with film and entered into the digital world at its very beginnings. I’ve seen editing trends come and go….even been guilty of spot coloring in the early 2000’s 😂 After that phase, I settled on true-to-life color as my style. I occasionally have a little fun with experimental editing, most of the time given as a B version ;) Recently I started mentoring someone. She’s a great photographer who chooses this same brown/orange tone editing style for all her photos. It’s not my cup of tea but it is clearly hers. I’ve explained to her that true to life colors stand the test of time and her reply was that she likes it and her clients do, too. The photos are edited like that all over her social media and website. If someone chooses her to be their photographer, they should expect that editing style delivered to them as the end product. My personal philosophy is to do everything possible to make the client happy. The bride should have her original images.
Oooo spot colouring! Takes me right back! Even though my camera never had it, i was so jealous of it. lol Yeah it's an interesting thing to think about, I don't do it but it's something to think about giving the couple the original photos so in 20 years there is some flexibility.
I looked at the photographer's website and she seems to specialize in sunny beach weddings. She even made a "golden" preset that she sells to other wedding photographers. I think it works very nicely on beaches and settings with similar colours, and she has many beautiful photos. Everyone looks like they have a lovely golden tan. However, her website also includes a garden party themed wedding. To me, it looked like she was still going in the sepia direction in the garden party setting, but not as much. For example, I thought that the bride's dress looked white in many garden photos, although there was still a tendency towards sepia. Also, many of the garden plants looked alive and green, although some looked a bit yellow and dried out, at least to me. However, they did not look nearly as bad to me as in the sepia bride's photos. The sepia bride said she liked the golden look, which was in most of the photos on the website. But it was not in all of them, at least not in the garden party them wedding photos. Maybe the sepia bride would not have hired this photographer if all the plants on the website had looked yellow and dead, and all of the dresses sepia. The photographer also writes at the very top of her info page, where she describes her approach, "I truly don’t take it for granted. I want you to FEEL your photos and I want your photos to feel like YOU. I want your photos to be golden, genuine, + timeless." If I were looking at this photographers website from the standpoint of a potential client, I would infer that her specialty is a warm golden sunny beach look, but that she tries to adapt to the client's preferences since she says, "I want your photos to feel like you." Although she uses the word "golden" in the phrase "golden, genuine and timeless," I would NOT take this to mean that all the photos will have sepia tones and she will refuse to make the dress look white. In that context, I would take "golden" to mean something like precious, rare or valuable, while also referring to a golden tone that will enhance certain photos. Her use of the word "genuine" right after the word "golden" would suggest to me that she is also willing to take photos that actually look like the subject i.e., more natural or realistic or "genuine" photos. I don't think that her website gives a clear message that all of her photos will be sepia, and that she is opposed to white wedding dresses. If she is making her artistic vision the priority and does not want to accommodate the client's request, I think she should indicate this clearly in the description at the top of her web page. Maybe she should say something like "My artistic process will transform your white wedding dress into a lovely sepia tone, and give your skin the appearance of a golden tan" if that is her approach. Or she could verbally say something like, "Instead of boring natural colours and a genuine appearance, my unique process will transform you and your wedding and its environment into lovely tones of gold and sepia." I didn't see anything like that on her website. I don't think a photographer should be saying things like "you realized what you were getting into when you hired me" unless they have given an extremely clear and consistent message so that the client would know what they were getting into. I think the client said she liked the golden look on the whole, she just wanted some of the photos to look more natural to show her make-up in a realistic fashion, the white colour of her dress, and the green colour of lush tropical plants. She initially asked for these changes only in a limited number of photos (I think 15 photos of the bride), not all of the photos. She apparently liked the golden look in many of the photos. I don't see anything on the photographer's website saying she refuses to do that kind of thing i.e., that she will not make any of the photos look natural and that all of the photos will look golden or sepia. As for waiting thirty days, thirty days is pretty standard consumer protection in many areas since consumers may need time. I don't think it is that unusual to be excited about buying something, and then discovering that more careful examination over time does not live up to the initial glowing expectations. I think that the bride needed some time to figure out that she disliked certain things such as the sepia dress because she liked the photos on the whole and was excited about the process, and there were many positive features in the composition and the photographer's ability to capture the moment. I think that once the bride started trying to figure out what she didn't like, she kept finding more things to criticize, and may have eventually gotten too picky. However, I think that the photographer could have prevented all of this from escalating simply by clarifying what the bride wanted and getting it to her. Then, maybe other things, like the blown out ocean in some photos, would have been less of an issue. When someone has paid thousands of dollars, is a natural make-up, a white wedding dress and green plants really too much to ask?
Communication is key. Someone emailed me wanting me to do photos and asked me to edit them a certain way, and I kindly declined, yet explained my approach. We just weren’t right for each other and that’s totally OKAY. Money isn’t everything, your sanity and people enjoying your work is far more worth it than money. Also it isn’t Sepia.. not even close haha just way too warm. Like you said, white balance issue!
Also… she charges a 6000 dollar starting price. To charge an additional 4,000 for RAW images because the client wasn’t happy about the tones is DISGUSTING. trying to make a total of 10,000 (OR MORE) for you not making a client happy is gross.
As a photographer/artist it can be difficult to execute another person's vision for your art. My contract has a clause about artistic/creative control and RAW file releasability instructions & cost. That way if a client is not happy with the edits, my business and time are protected and the client has options. Thankfully it has never got to that point, but good to have those protections in writing.
Hey Luke, love your videos and I felt like saying something about this because I had a similar issue with a client not so long ago. I think that the reaction of the bride and the photographer were both a little bit out of hand hahahaha Yeah, the photos have this sepia look, but this could have been fixed so easily and without any exposure and drama. As you said, it seems to be a white balance situation. The photographer problably is inexperienced and just used a preset, but he or she could just reedit the photos and deliver what the client wanted from the start. I photographed a birthday party some weeks ago and my client just didn't like the colors that much, wich was caused by the white balance, and it was a easy fix. Ok, I have a style, but after a quick conversation nobody got their feelings hurt and I started to work in the editing. Later that week my client received the photos she wanted and she already told that needs me to take photos of her older boy this month. Things are simple when people talk and the expetations can be matched. I just feel that people can handle things so much better hahahah
Yeah I agree, it all seems a bit blown out of proportion, and I think some humbleness on both sides of the issue could have made things not so spicy. Maybe, maybe not.
its the brides fault, this is the photographer style of edits and she should have investigate further before she hired the photographer. theres also no way a photographer should be giving away their RAW photos as well espcially when they say they''ll edit them themself lol. as far as the edit goes, its actually gorgeous but ITS definitely not for a wedding especially with those skin tone, its way too orange and they made summer weather looks like autumn.
While the editing style is not my cup of tea, the Bride and Groom have a responsibility to research the photographer that they hire. This photographer has a specific style which is evident in thier work. If i were to hire someone to photograph a special event, i would look for someone with a style i like. I wouldnt hire someone then expect them to shoot differently than what they have presented in thier porfolio....
100% and the real relevant point here is the client chose the photographer knowing their style, the changed their mind. People are judging the situation on their taste not who is actually right or wrong.
There's 100% a difference between intentional grading for style and changing colours completely - This started like 10 years ago when Utah photographers all shot super warm orange tones and people liked it but don't realize it ONLY works in those specific enviroments. Keep your overtones subtle my friends, nobody wants to relive their day completely different from how it actually looked. Yes that also means tweaking your colour mixes for the florals and guest outfits too. Takes a lot of thought to remove your ego from your work, but it is so much more worth it.
If I photographed a wedding and the bride was later unhappy because the photos weren’t all black and white (pretending that the bride wanted a black and white photographer when all the photos on my website are color), I wouldn’t refuse to make changes and try to sell the raw files for $4,000 so she could edit them herself. Instead, I would acknowledge the miscommunication and edit all the photos to black and white for her.
well I have to say, I really love every video you make. but with this video you made a complete mistake, the photographer did exactly what she was booked to do because of her style, why should we stigmatize her for "orange" skin tones? If it's her thing and the client wanted it, why not? I think the photographer's voice should be heard before she is wronged.
The photographer totally misunderstood the obvious issue! White balance - The bride said make her makeup brighter, so the photographer thought that meant more saturated OMG, but all they needed was to cut down the orange and bring it back to more true to life (cooler). I worked with a photographer who was like this - they shot an Event (I was the Videgrapher) and the client specifically required true-to-life colour but nice and bright and fun. The photographer delivered all photos (of a fun daytime outdoor event) in a dark moody and very deep sepia. I said they are not be orange/brown sepia, but just a brighter more true to life (as client requested from the start!) and this photographer then came back with literally increased saturation over the the entire library which made them even more orange!! It ended up making a big issue with the client as they were too small-minded to understand what true to life meant and refused to work on it further with some long winey blaming email they me and the client were wrong. Extremely unprofessional. Your video reminded me of this situation where a simple miscommunication ended up blowing everything out - all they needed to do was show some examples of what the Bride wanted and then realise what she meant. The ironic thing is that it would probably require less work to do the true to life colours the bride wanted.. even the raws looks okay in colour.
I agree with you completely. This should have never ended this way. Any good photographer would have been able to correct these pics in a week. Heck, she could have charged her for AI editing. Easy, and this customer would have walked away happy without all this drama. She paid a good amount of money, and although I agree that this was the photographers look, a wedding dress that is yellow? Bad choice.
A lot of photographers are bashing her style because it is not the way they editing. I think it's wrong. First, I want to say that I do true-color type of toning after hand retouching every shot and i am not wedding photographer anymore. I DO NOT like the over-do Yellow stuff as well. But it doesn't mean I feel the need to tell her to change it. And back then, I had the bride who wanted me to "paint" the sun on her images because if was foggy and rainy day. She said "you are professional, you suppose to satisfy the client no matter what". Can you imagine that? Back to the topic..... The Bride had chosen her for the particular style. Didn't she? And the photographer has 100% right to edit the way she does it. Both parties were agreed before the wedding. Yes, and a preset(s) were, possibly, created by her to fit her style. Her IG doesn't look much different. By the way, there are overcast day photos with palms on the background, just like this "sepia" bride has. And please, it is not just settings in WB, it is obvious. It is enhanced Contrast, Vibrant and Saturation and a Color Mixer, Calibration settings. So if she got to adjust, individually 2000 that will not be easy and fast.
I really enjoyed this video as I do all your videos . I’m very new to wedding photography… I’ve done 3 as a second shooter and 1 as the main shooter and the editing is something I i’m really struggling to find my style with. I really love some of the trends at the moment however I always look at them and think are they going to be embarrassing to look at in 10 years time? I want to develop a classic timeless mostly true to colour and consistent editing style but I am so far away from that. Sepia (yes please the wedding community) ❤
As an attorney, I made certain to advise one of my closest friends who is a photographer to not only include the fact that the images belong to the photographer but to bring that line to their attention by including a block to initial next to that part. It's important that there is no ambiguity in those terms. The images belong to the photographer. They have exclusive rights to their product. Raw files, edited files, publishing, printing, etc. They all belong to the photographer.
A camera raw photograph represents the original image from both a creative and legal perspective. This is why you should not give out the raw photographs unless you plan to also transfer ownership.
I absolutely agree with you! In my opinion as a photographer you should always go for timeless true to colour images. Use posing, composition, framing as "your style" These images are a lifetime for the clients and only a moment in time for you. "Sepia"
From the photographer's interview she mentioned client started having request after she got the photographer's work. I think the photographer got fed up.
It's only a question about a paranoid, insecure and crazy bride- the color grading of the photographer it' s his style and sincerly not bad- YOU know before.
She just discovered that when photographers uses presets on a wedding, (good presets are always emulating some kind of stock film), the colors are not the same that the ones your eyes see in real life. that's the purpose of filmic emulation! The colors will never be the same because the way the film act. this is what photographers look for and love. If she is asking herself thoses types of questions, maybe she should start making photos. She should have asked for "realistic" photos and not to much stylised. And the photographer should have explained her the difference.
Totally agree with the bride. I am an amateur photographer that does just family and friends. Would never do a wedding. However l would be curious if the photographer knows how to edit or does she just slap on a preset?
As a photographer, I can guarantee you she didn't apply manual color balancing to a couple of thousand photographs. Wedding got ridiculous in the digital age when photographers started supplying thousands of images as a marketing ploy.
Mate, as a professional photographer, you should have spotted it wasn’t white balance but a stylistic choice. Even the way you graded this video isn’t true to life, it has a slightly muddy tone. You’re wearing a white shirt but it doesn’t look pure white.
@@lukewtcleland I did, you had to look at their portfolio to figure it was their style. I could tell immediately that it wasn't a white balance issue and I'm not as professional as you are. Also, why publish a video unfairly criticising the photographer for 99% of it when you knew it was their style? This isn't live.
@Aggyoko I am a professional photographer and you can adjust the white balance to modify whatever preset the photographer used. Presets are not meant to be slapped on and delivered, presets are just a starting point. White balance is a very specific tool in editing that targets exactly the warm and cool tones, so yes tweaking the white balance can resolve those orange tones along with the other tools to refine the image
@@RodneyO1919 I didn’t say you can’t use white balance and other tools to negate the effect of a preset. I said it wasn’t a case of the photographer getting the white balance wrong but a stylistic choice they made. I think it’s reasonable to assume that if they’re getting white balance “wrong” in a way that’s achieving the same look, throughout a whole day with different lighting conditions, it’s probably not by mistake.
@Aggyoko he literally said, "If it looks off a little bit" on the preset, and even referenced his own, you can adjust the white balance. In other words, to possibly save this transaction, a simple global white balance adjustment could very well have reduced the amount of sepia tones enough to make the client happy. Now, to be fair, he did say the white balance was wrong, but the context is around the back and forth disagreement on how to get a more acceptable edit. When the bride first gave the feedback about the sepia tones being over bearing, dialing it back with either a white balance tweak or a reduction in the opacity of the preset using the sliders to minimize the overall effect could have saved the relationship.
The photographer is facing the painful reality of accepting a client who has a social media presence. One has to be aware that any media influencer could see a real or imagine conflict as gravy for their tick tock rating stew!
LOVED this one! We need more “Luke reacts” videos! Not only was it super entertaining because of the inherent drama of the situation, but your commentary really added a lot. I wish I could watch 10 more right now😊
I always wonder how photographers shot with this exact type of editing styles of weddings without running into this exact issues of clients . That’s priecisly why I didn’t stick to theses type of editing styles when I started early as a new photographer. Imo the photographer style is more of a nature hiking outdoor Instagram style.
The photos on the photographers website are actually really pretty. She definitely leans orange, but it’s not as bad as we see here. I’m not quite sure WHAT went wrong in this situation because the photographers galleries on her website are actually really beautiful.
There is so much that went wrong on both sides. Buying a pizza and then afterwards being sad that is was not a steak is a bad thing. But Buyer's remorse exists... The way the photographer tried to fix things was obviously overshadowed by miscommunication. I cannot understand, why the photographer so harshly clung to their editing style, if that was the main cause of the problem. After all, this is not an art shot, it is contract work. I also listened to the photographer at Vendor's table, but I still think, both parties screwed up.
People keep saying oh she showed how her photos look so you know what her style is but to be honest if you were not there you would not know how far off the colorimetry of her photos are. She may have thought that these people were very tan people on a really golden lighted day and when she gets a completely tinted sunglass version of reality for 8k she's going to feel ripped off. She could have just offered to provide the photos with either auto white balance from the camera or Lightroom instead and not really cost any time. Wedding photography is a Service not a Art form in my opinion.
She is professional Photographer, the orange or sepia is her style. If you will check her website she is consistent in her work. It's just too bad because the client makes so much noise about it thru social media.
So weird what us clients are paying for weddings. Besides this, all this is a horror in Beige. Not only the photos also the "bride" in her tiktok, She is really living the sad beige life but somehow a different sad beige than the photographer's sad beige. This is really why I never do private clients, no taste, and you can never win ... and annyoing people.
On a real note, the photographer should have communicated if their “style” was going to be 100% artistic freedom in this situation and should have talked to the client more about their expectations regarding their wedding day…. When it comes to weddings, the client should have priority over an editing style…
I got disappointed while watching this reaction video, I expected neutral observations but instead saw biased opinions. my expectations: 1: you checked the portfolio, bought the service, got what you wanted, you loved the results, except after 30 days because you are a "makeup artist" you realize they're off? that sounds irrational 2: top and bottom photos, the edited was perfect unlike iPhone shot, the bride obviously didn't like the editing which is subjective, and silly of her to choose it in the first place if she didnt like it.( you dont say that is bad, you say that's a style to each their own.) 3: the customer and photographer cant go through photos one by one and agree on style of editing, so 100% satisfaction is not expected. 4: the photographer could have done better but she didn't mess it at the same time, she could offer to natural/neutral automatically edited photos with no effort , the viral video could've been avoided maybe. All we got is omg that's too bad, ugh its so orangey, okay i dont want to bash the photographer too much, then ooohhhh that's too bad with facial grimaces and saying i could do this and that instead. feels like u r one of the girl's sisterhood member. i agree with saying the photographer shpupdnt be sking for 4000 usd for raws, if that's true. the photographer could have handled it better
Shit! I would have just paid another editor to edit photos and gave her what she wanted. Or gave her unedited JPEGS so she can do what she wants. She has been traumatized for 7 months :(
Sepia! I would love to learn from you. I stumbled upon your channel and really liked your take, your delivery, and your knowledge. Im very new to photograohy (like only 6 months new) and not a wedding photographer (not delivering on someones one day scares me 😂) so if you ever decide to open it to other photographers let me know! Thank you for this video!
I only see this as a style issue, the photos are stylized and if someone likes such things, it's good; if not, ok. The bride's concerns are valid but I would've just offered a full or partial refund and be done with it especially after her 2nd video; she was clearly completely unhappy with what she got and would probably not be happy with anything the photographer does.
The photos are consistent with the photographers work. Cracking on if you like colors or the style is silly and unprofessional. It’s art it’s subjective. That retro look is just as good as light and airy . The photos looks beautiful. She signed up for the retro look she received the retro look. She’s not happy with the retro look and now wants a different style of editing and shooting that’s not the retro look. That is the story
She went on an emotional spiral after probably talking to someone or seeing the video. She definitely made the wrong choice of photographer if she's in makeup industry. This would be amazing for some hipster bride but for makeup...yikes. Editing style is completely subjective. I'd say the photographer does a more vintage cinematic type of color grading but she could have made some of brides photos a bit less stylized to make her happy.
Hey sir this is the first time I m watching a video of yours. Not a wedding photographer. You are the only one mentioned real issue with those photos. Watched more than a dozen of videos, but nobody talks about it. It’s freaking WHITE BALANCE 😂😂😂😂.
As a photographer - I think that both the client and the "wedding photographer" utterly deserve each other on this one. The shots are forgettable, the bride and groom are both ugly, the colour grading is poor, the wedding ceremony was tasteless and tacky .... and to top it all off, it's not even "Sepia", it's just bad all round. They deserve each other - the Wedding from Idiocracy indeed !
A color grading always alters the colors - If you want the colors to be exactly accurate, hire a photographer who doesn’t use color grading. But then the photos look too „normal“
Hey - I like your chanel thus far by the way ;-) - to be fair: She liked what she saw on instagram - especially because of "that golden aura" (now we know what that golden aura is I guess haha). She liked what she got (AT FIRST at least). So yeah... I mean I usually show like an example wedding or the kind of pictures I usually take BEFORE any kind of agreement. That way people know what to expect. If they like it great. If they don't... that's my style (or my limitations? ;-) who knows...). I do not dig that style of retouching that has been done to the pictures. In her own editing (the tiktoker) it seems as if she liked that much lighter (probably more natural?) edit vs the "golden aura" she got (that she did like before on instagram?). So that's a bit contradictive if you ask me. She looks "orange" yeah, but that's the "warmth" style of this particular photographer (I guess). Many other photographers often shoot weddings and kids pictures and edit them a bit "cooler" and "lighter". Overexposing the ocean in the background yeah... not a PRO move I guess. Yeah... not giving out the RAW files... I understand how many don't want to. But actually it probably doesn't matter. If people want them... I just give it to them. I've seen that some photographers charge extra (to make it more unappealling) but yeah... they already exist... Only gave them out one time (to a friend) and he hasn't looked at them since haha... they're just stored away safely ^^ I mean there are to options in my opinion and as a professional (especially shooting something that special to people) you should EITHER offer a re-edit or just give them the RAWs. (I mean we are just hearing one side of the story here... so from the photographers perspective it could have been a totally different tale haha... but I guess we won't hear her side (WHY ARE YOU CONSTANTLY SAYING "THEY/THEM"? It's been made clear, that the photographer in this case is a "HER"). 4000 Dollar extra (so an extra 50%...) that is pretty aggressive haha. P.S.: I looked up the photographer (I didn't watch instagram but found her homepage) and the thing that I find puzzling... on her homepage her style seems to be pretty different (none of that yellow sepia stuff going on...).
The photographer delivered 2,000 PICTURES😳 Tried to accommodate her and re-edited some. Gave 10 RAW photographs for FREE and the bride could not be pleased and "Allegedly" threatened her..
Most of me sides with the photographer, this is clearly her style based on her IG. But I’ve also shot events and stuff for friends in the past, and I totally edited way outside of my “editing” style to make them happy. I don’t like that work as much, I don’t personally enjoy it, but it did make them happy so in the end, all good.
I don't understand the photographer's refusal to willingly share the RAWs. Looking at this lady, she seems the type that probably bought the premium package, so if she's not happy, why refuse a copy of the RAWs? Makes no sense to me.
When you provide the RAWs you never know what the client is going to do with them. In this case most people would consider the edits the bride made better, but they could also have been horrible. If the clients shows those edited images to others, they most likely assume the photographer did the editing. This can be a bad thing for the photographer. Here the fix was pretty easy and the photographer could have edited the images easily without having to provide the RAWs. Clearly the bride made a mistake as well by hiring the photographer considering the portfolio was in that style.
I have not fully watched this video, I am at a little before 4:24 and all I can say is, that is wonderful that you can put your light and airy preset on there and make it great. However, if you look at this photogs work, she is clearly warm toned and not "light and airy" so it really doesnt matter at that point because her work isn't what the client wanted, the client wasted both of their time honestly. Like honestly, you should never go to a warm toned photographer like this, and expect light and airy true to tone editing, like common sense.... Also I have no idea what everyone is talking about with the "sepia" editing style, because if you look at her work, it is very warm toned, if you look up sepia it does not look like this at all. lol..
Presuming its a colour grade and not just a wb mistake, would take a minute to kill the colpur grade module, 30 minutes to export, an hour to upload and good publicity would have resulted.
Hey Luke! Very Interesting Video. I agree that the Sepia Style is to ugly and to fake. I wouldn't give out RAW images either. Do you provide every client a contract stating that any delivered images shall not be edited further? I once had a client, which put an Instagram filter on the pictures before posting those, which made me angry, but I didn't think it was worth arguing with them, because it was a low paying job anyway.
I don't have in my contract that they cannot change the photo. It would be difficult to enforce, even though yes it drives me nuts to see my photo changed in any way.
"Better Edit" is a very subjective statement. it looks like the photographer used some of her presets that she probably thought were nice. That tinted look looks like a bleach bypass look. Which, to be fair, looks more interesting to me than the raw. But she picked this photographer for her style. So why complain after the fact.
I’m disappointed in your take about the ceremony and ocean backdrop. We should be educating our clients that iPhones take HDR photos which would allow for 3+ different exposures to balance the couples skin exposure and the background. The scene looks to have been backlit. Without flash, and sometimes LOTS of it, or doing bracketing, it may be next to impossible to capture this scene if it’s backlit. I had a wedding last week where the outside mountain scape was in full, harsh Arizona sun. The ceremony itself was indoors with windows looking out to the mountains. I set up two off camera flashes at full power and one on camera at 1/16 power and STILL could not get much detail. Later during family photos, we turned the family away from the mountains to get good light on their faces and I overheard people asking why we weren’t using the mountain backdrop. I explained to them. In a world where people experience so much of their media as iPhone coverage, it is our job to educate and manage expectations. I see that you have made a second part, so I will watch and hope that things come full circle, but overall bummed at your response here. The photographer delivered based on her portfolio. If the bride wanted iPhone pictures, she could have hired a friend to photograph her wedding with her iPhone.
This photographer is a nasty person. It doesn't matter if her style is to tango every client. She charged $8000 and then wants another $4000 for the RAW she has taking up space on a hard drive.... I'm glad I have morals.
@@jalenmoore. well WB to me is typically an in camera issue. A preset can be created by other means, including use of sepia filter, hue and saturation, etc vs yanking the WB slider. lol
If you are keeping the white the exact white - are you at that point even editing the photos?? Do you use Colorchecker for every photos? The flash you use is of different Kelvin temperature than the natural light, the moment you change direction, white balance changes! The roaming around cloud in the sky constantly changes the white balance, albeit minor! The hard truth is that there is no perfection, otherwise wedding photography would need to be done over days not in 8 hours, just like precisions films are made over months not over shooting one day wedding video!
@@lukewtcleland absolutely, the color did look way far on one side of slider but as you said, your eyes just get so used to it. I wouldn't lie but I did send some photos to the couple for review yesterday aftet I shot their son's birthday! Did have plenty realization on the way.
Is it me or should you not get your most important photos taken by someone's IG account . Did the Bride actually sit down with the Photographer and discuss what she wanted? The Photographer could of let her know that her photos are Sepia style. But I haven't watched the whole video yet
She doesn’t need to buy your presets or watch your videos brotha. She’s doing just fine without you. Kinda shocked it took you 20 mins to realize it’s her style. Seems like you got on here just to try to tell people you’re better than them
Watch to the end and part 2 for the whole story!! :)
She knew the style of the photographer before she hired her and loved it. When the photos were delivered to her, she loved them and raved about them. I think she showed them to a friend or relative who said “I can do better with my iPhone” and planted the seeds of doubt in her mind
The edits planted the seed of doubt. If you think these are good edits never photograph people.
I strongly suggest listening to the vendor table podcast where they interview the photographer. It will change your perspective on this. The photographer did EVERYTHING she should have PRIOR to booking & then tried EVERYTHING to make the bride happy. The bride decided she likes “true to color” after the fact. Not to mention she got over 2,000 photos & she dislikes about 50 photos. Come on now, does anyone LOVE every photo from their gallery? No they don’t. You love a lot of them but go unhinged over about 50 photos. The photographer finally decided to give her a few raw photos & then she blasts them on social media with her edits, which she told the photographer she wouldn’t do. She just wanted the raws for herself to print. Why are we even judging the photographer’s editing style? Everyone has their own style. This photographer is super talented & the edits are inline with her portfolio. The moments she captured were amazing. I don’t understand how other photographers are judging & picking apart someone else’s editing style. Wild to me.
How are you agreeing with the bride when you don’t even have the Photographers side?? The bride has made over 30 tik toks bashing the photographer & now we have other photographers doing the same?? This is not ok. You don’t have to like her editing style, but to pick it apart & say it’s bad, that’s not ok!!!!
👏🏼💯👏🏼💯👏🏼💯👏🏼 facts
You are wrong. The edits demonstrated are amateurish. True to colour is one thing, but turning people orange is ridiculous.
The thing is the photographer style IS ORANGE - that's all of her insta, her website everything. Its like booking a photographer for shooting black and white only and then asking where's the color 🤭
totally - watch the end of video :) and part 2 is coming!
exactly
That should've been stated upfront bc that changes things entirely. The bride got exactly who she hired 🤷🏾♀️.
"after 30 days" she realized. imagine you marry a woman like this. i am now worried for the husband maybe after 1 year or 2🤣
It was her video. When she saw the video versus the images and the color toning that the videographer used, then she was upset with the color toning of her images.
They were two different styles. She should’ve found a videographer that would have matched the color toning of her photographer. Or vice versus.
I was a little surprised seeing another photographer say things like "this is bad". It really feels like a bad take to me, granted at this point in the video you hadn't looked at the photographers portfolio. Everyone needs to really take into account that photography is subjective, she has a style that is very consistent and the wedding photographs are edited in that way. It was her stylistic choice she has and shows in her work over and over, just because you don't like it doesn't mean its "bad"
For my taste, yes it's too warm but that was the photographers style so i mean, is she really in the wrong? No, i don't think so. Going back 30 days later is nutty to me.
Yep that was the point! For my reaction with no context. Part 2 is coming this week : )
That's totally true, style is subjective, but "this is bad" is just my opinion based on the edits I saw. I think it looks terrible (the orange edit), and I'm totally fine if others think my style is terrible too! Everyone can have an opinion!
@@lukewtcleland yup forsure! Everyone indeed can have their own opinions!!
I agree 100%
Me too! Every other photographer reacting to these sticks up for the photographer. Really odd.
Maybe because not getting the WB right is bad. Stop defending poor editing, especially if you shoot professionally.
I felt the same way when I watched the first couple videos… then I looked at the photographer and saw that she is SO consistent.. then the bride KEPT posting videos (she was at 33 videos the other day!!) and that was v cringy to me.. and then LASTLY, I listened to the vendors table podcast of the photographers pov and I’m 100% team photographer. I empathize with this bride but yeah.. I don’t know.. it feels very much like she didn’t get what she wanted so now she’s trying to bully everyone into giving it to her/the photographer DID go above and beyond her contract and I think came to a great conclusion when she knew they weren’t going to come to a happy middle ground (also the $4000 included the copyright for the images which is insanneee)
This pretty much sums it up for me. I personally dislike the sepia/warm boho look, but there's a segment of the industry that LOVES it, and the photographer clearly chose to lean into the style and found success with it. There's no deception on her part, everything is perfectly in line with her previous work. You can hate the look, or whatever--but to side with the bride when she got almost exactly what was promised is baffling
I didn't know yellow, warm photos is called sepia nowadays. Sepia is like brown and white photos, similar to black and white.
Right? I thought sepia was brown monochrome, not just warm wb.
This look was popular 4-5 years ago. It was a trend all over IG. There were many people selling presets with this look. I know cause I bought one. I edited an entire wedding with this "look" and almost vomited cause it was just too much. A handful of images was fine but an entire collection made it looked ridiculous and borderline amateurish. I've come to learn that the best way to edit wedding photos is to keep them timeless. And the best way to keep them timeless is to keep them natural and not jump onto trends. Jumping on trends is the easiest way to date your photos/artwork.
Agree!
Loved your take. I can see both sides but there are SO many lessons to be learned here.
Timeless, true-to-life edits will never go out of style:)
Thanks!!! Thanks for the positive comment :) haha
Style or not it's awful. I find it hard to believe that people actually like this colouring. I actually did look through the Photographer's Insta and all I saw was yellow, gold, brown and bronze. You need to go way back to see when she knew colours like blue, green, red, white etc in her photography. She clearly developed this style over years and has obviously been successful with it. There obviously are people out there that like these tones. Not me nope...it just changes the beauty of our natural colours.
Part 2 coming! And yes I agree with much of what you said here.
Yeah, the photographer’s style is orange like that. All of her images are the exact same way
part 2 is coming! and watch the end of this video
In the 80's, with my Nikon FE2 and gear, I was asked to shoot several weddings.
I always said - "I'll do it for free, if you pay for the film, BUT only if I am NOT the main photographer."
I NEVER wanted the crushing weight of being the paid wedding photographer. It's a stress load I refuse to embrace.
Hat's off to all the real wedding photographers out there. You have my respect (and my sympathy).
It’s a lot! But also amazing to be a wedding photographer!
I’ve been a weeding photographer for 24 years. Started with film and entered into the digital world at its very beginnings. I’ve seen editing trends come and go….even been guilty of spot coloring in the early 2000’s 😂 After that phase, I settled on true-to-life color as my style. I occasionally have a little fun with experimental editing, most of the time given as a B version ;) Recently I started mentoring someone. She’s a great photographer who chooses this same brown/orange tone editing style for all her photos. It’s not my cup of tea but it is clearly hers. I’ve explained to her that true to life colors stand the test of time and her reply was that she likes it and her clients do, too. The photos are edited like that all over her social media and website. If someone chooses her to be their photographer, they should expect that editing style delivered to them as the end product. My personal philosophy is to do everything possible to make the client happy. The bride should have her original images.
Oooo spot colouring! Takes me right back! Even though my camera never had it, i was so jealous of it. lol
Yeah it's an interesting thing to think about, I don't do it but it's something to think about giving the couple the original photos so in 20 years there is some flexibility.
That was the photographers style. It’s on their website. It’s the brides fault for booking her.
I agree with you. But it's also not that simple. Part 2 COMING THIS WEEK! :)
I looked at the photographer's website and she seems to specialize in sunny beach weddings. She even made a "golden" preset that she sells to other wedding photographers. I think it works very nicely on beaches and settings with similar colours, and she has many beautiful photos. Everyone looks like they have a lovely golden tan. However, her website also includes a garden party themed wedding. To me, it looked like she was still going in the sepia direction in the garden party setting, but not as much. For example, I thought that the bride's dress looked white in many garden photos, although there was still a tendency towards sepia. Also, many of the garden plants looked alive and green, although some looked a bit yellow and dried out, at least to me. However, they did not look nearly as bad to me as in the sepia bride's photos. The sepia bride said she liked the golden look, which was in most of the photos on the website. But it was not in all of them, at least not in the garden party them wedding photos. Maybe the sepia bride would not have hired this photographer if all the plants on the website had looked yellow and dead, and all of the dresses sepia.
The photographer also writes at the very top of her info page, where she describes her approach, "I truly don’t take it for granted. I want you to FEEL your photos and I want your photos to feel like YOU. I want your photos to be golden, genuine, + timeless." If I were looking at this photographers website from the standpoint of a potential client, I would infer that her specialty is a warm golden sunny beach look, but that she tries to adapt to the client's preferences since she says, "I want your photos to feel like you." Although she uses the word "golden" in the phrase "golden, genuine and timeless," I would NOT take this to mean that all the photos will have sepia tones and she will refuse to make the dress look white. In that context, I would take "golden" to mean something like precious, rare or valuable, while also referring to a golden tone that will enhance certain photos. Her use of the word "genuine" right after the word "golden" would suggest to me that she is also willing to take photos that actually look like the subject i.e., more natural or realistic or "genuine" photos.
I don't think that her website gives a clear message that all of her photos will be sepia, and that she is opposed to white wedding dresses. If she is making her artistic vision the priority and does not want to accommodate the client's request, I think she should indicate this clearly in the description at the top of her web page. Maybe she should say something like "My artistic process will transform your white wedding dress into a lovely sepia tone, and give your skin the appearance of a golden tan" if that is her approach. Or she could verbally say something like, "Instead of boring natural colours and a genuine appearance, my unique process will transform you and your wedding and its environment into lovely tones of gold and sepia." I didn't see anything like that on her website. I don't think a photographer should be saying things like "you realized what you were getting into when you hired me" unless they have given an extremely clear and consistent message so that the client would know what they were getting into. I think the client said she liked the golden look on the whole, she just wanted some of the photos to look more natural to show her make-up in a realistic fashion, the white colour of her dress, and the green colour of lush tropical plants. She initially asked for these changes only in a limited number of photos (I think 15 photos of the bride), not all of the photos. She apparently liked the golden look in many of the photos. I don't see anything on the photographer's website saying she refuses to do that kind of thing i.e., that she will not make any of the photos look natural and that all of the photos will look golden or sepia.
As for waiting thirty days, thirty days is pretty standard consumer protection in many areas since consumers may need time. I don't think it is that unusual to be excited about buying something, and then discovering that more careful examination over time does not live up to the initial glowing expectations. I think that the bride needed some time to figure out that she disliked certain things such as the sepia dress because she liked the photos on the whole and was excited about the process, and there were many positive features in the composition and the photographer's ability to capture the moment. I think that once the bride started trying to figure out what she didn't like, she kept finding more things to criticize, and may have eventually gotten too picky. However, I think that the photographer could have prevented all of this from escalating simply by clarifying what the bride wanted and getting it to her. Then, maybe other things, like the blown out ocean in some photos, would have been less of an issue. When someone has paid thousands of dollars, is a natural make-up, a white wedding dress and green plants really too much to ask?
I bet she was okay with the photos until either a relative or a friend said something about them and then she just couldn't let it go
Because the edits suck 🤦
Communication is key. Someone emailed me wanting me to do photos and asked me to edit them a certain way, and I kindly declined, yet explained my approach. We just weren’t right for each other and that’s totally OKAY. Money isn’t everything, your sanity and people enjoying your work is far more worth it than money. Also it isn’t Sepia.. not even close haha just way too warm. Like you said, white balance issue!
Also… she charges a 6000 dollar starting price. To charge an additional 4,000 for RAW images because the client wasn’t happy about the tones is DISGUSTING. trying to make a total of 10,000 (OR MORE) for you not making a client happy is gross.
Totally great points
As a photographer/artist it can be difficult to execute another person's vision for your art. My contract has a clause about artistic/creative control and RAW file releasability instructions & cost. That way if a client is not happy with the edits, my business and time are protected and the client has options. Thankfully it has never got to that point, but good to have those protections in writing.
That's a really good way of doing it. Great idea! And a thing we could all learn from this!
Hey Luke, love your videos and I felt like saying something about this because I had a similar issue with a client not so long ago. I think that the reaction of the bride and the photographer were both a little bit out of hand hahahaha Yeah, the photos have this sepia look, but this could have been fixed so easily and without any exposure and drama. As you said, it seems to be a white balance situation. The photographer problably is inexperienced and just used a preset, but he or she could just reedit the photos and deliver what the client wanted from the start. I photographed a birthday party some weeks ago and my client just didn't like the colors that much, wich was caused by the white balance, and it was a easy fix. Ok, I have a style, but after a quick conversation nobody got their feelings hurt and I started to work in the editing. Later that week my client received the photos she wanted and she already told that needs me to take photos of her older boy this month. Things are simple when people talk and the expetations can be matched. I just feel that people can handle things so much better hahahah
Yeah I agree, it all seems a bit blown out of proportion, and I think some humbleness on both sides of the issue could have made things not so spicy. Maybe, maybe not.
its the brides fault, this is the photographer style of edits and she should have investigate further before she hired the photographer. theres also no way a photographer should be giving away their RAW photos as well espcially when they say they''ll edit them themself lol. as far as the edit goes, its actually gorgeous but ITS definitely not for a wedding especially with those skin tone, its way too orange and they made summer weather looks like autumn.
While the editing style is not my cup of tea, the Bride and Groom have a responsibility to research the photographer that they hire. This photographer has a specific style which is evident in thier work. If i were to hire someone to photograph a special event, i would look for someone with a style i like. I wouldnt hire someone then expect them to shoot differently than what they have presented in thier porfolio....
100% and the real relevant point here is the client chose the photographer knowing their style, the changed their mind. People are judging the situation on their taste not who is actually right or wrong.
There's 100% a difference between intentional grading for style and changing colours completely - This started like 10 years ago when Utah photographers all shot super warm orange tones and people liked it but don't realize it ONLY works in those specific enviroments. Keep your overtones subtle my friends, nobody wants to relive their day completely different from how it actually looked. Yes that also means tweaking your colour mixes for the florals and guest outfits too. Takes a lot of thought to remove your ego from your work, but it is so much more worth it.
Well said my friend. Well said.
This is a spot on take Luke. Nailed each point. Happy to find a sound view on this situation!
Thank you! Haha you are one of the few not yelling at me :) (in the comments at least)
@@lukewtcleland haha! Chances are the ones yelling are making greens gray and skin orange
If I photographed a wedding and the bride was later unhappy because the photos weren’t all black and white (pretending that the bride wanted a black and white photographer when all the photos on my website are color), I wouldn’t refuse to make changes and try to sell the raw files for $4,000 so she could edit them herself. Instead, I would acknowledge the miscommunication and edit all the photos to black and white for her.
well I have to say, I really love every video you make. but with this video you made a complete mistake, the photographer did exactly what she was booked to do because of her style, why should we stigmatize her for "orange" skin tones? If it's her thing and the client wanted it, why not? I think the photographer's voice should be heard before she is wronged.
Did you watch to the end of the video? I made this without looking at anything else… until the end.
The photographer totally misunderstood the obvious issue! White balance - The bride said make her makeup brighter, so the photographer thought that meant more saturated OMG, but all they needed was to cut down the orange and bring it back to more true to life (cooler). I worked with a photographer who was like this - they shot an Event (I was the Videgrapher) and the client specifically required true-to-life colour but nice and bright and fun. The photographer delivered all photos (of a fun daytime outdoor event) in a dark moody and very deep sepia. I said they are not be orange/brown sepia, but just a brighter more true to life (as client requested from the start!) and this photographer then came back with literally increased saturation over the the entire library which made them even more orange!! It ended up making a big issue with the client as they were too small-minded to understand what true to life meant and refused to work on it further with some long winey blaming email they me and the client were wrong. Extremely unprofessional. Your video reminded me of this situation where a simple miscommunication ended up blowing everything out - all they needed to do was show some examples of what the Bride wanted and then realise what she meant. The ironic thing is that it would probably require less work to do the true to life colours the bride wanted.. even the raws looks okay in colour.
I agree with you completely. This should have never ended this way. Any good photographer would have been able to correct these pics in a week. Heck, she could have charged her for AI editing. Easy, and this customer would have walked away happy without all this drama. She paid a good amount of money, and although I agree that this was the photographers look, a wedding dress that is yellow? Bad choice.
A lot of photographers are bashing her style because it is not the way they editing. I think it's wrong. First, I want to say that I do true-color type of toning after hand retouching every shot and i am not wedding photographer anymore. I DO NOT like the over-do Yellow stuff as well. But it doesn't mean I feel the need to tell her to change it.
And back then, I had the bride who wanted me to "paint" the sun on her images because if was foggy and rainy day. She said "you are professional, you suppose to satisfy the client no matter what". Can you imagine that?
Back to the topic..... The Bride had chosen her for the particular style. Didn't she? And the photographer has 100% right to edit the way she does it.
Both parties were agreed before the wedding.
Yes, and a preset(s) were, possibly, created by her to fit her style. Her IG doesn't look much different. By the way, there are overcast day photos with palms on the background, just like this "sepia" bride has.
And please, it is not just settings in WB, it is obvious. It is enhanced Contrast, Vibrant and Saturation and a Color Mixer, Calibration settings. So if she got to adjust, individually 2000 that will not be easy and fast.
I really enjoyed this video as I do all your videos . I’m very new to wedding photography… I’ve done 3 as a second shooter and 1 as the main shooter and the editing is something I i’m really struggling to find my style with. I really love some of the trends at the moment however I always look at them and think are they going to be embarrassing to look at in 10 years time? I want to develop a classic timeless mostly true to colour and consistent editing style but I am so far away from that.
Sepia (yes please the wedding community) ❤
"My husband steps on the phone" omg she is such an annoying bridezilla
FINALLY, AN HONEST REVIEW OF THE PHOTGRAPHY.
As an attorney, I made certain to advise one of my closest friends who is a photographer to not only include the fact that the images belong to the photographer but to bring that line to their attention by including a block to initial next to that part. It's important that there is no ambiguity in those terms. The images belong to the photographer. They have exclusive rights to their product. Raw files, edited files, publishing, printing, etc. They all belong to the photographer.
A camera raw photograph represents the original image from both a creative and legal perspective. This is why you should not give out the raw photographs unless you plan to also transfer ownership.
I absolutely agree with you! In my opinion as a photographer you should always go for timeless true to colour images.
Use posing, composition, framing as "your style"
These images are a lifetime for the clients and only a moment in time for you.
"Sepia"
From the photographer's interview she mentioned client started having request after she got the photographer's work. I think the photographer got fed up.
I'm of the opinion that they both had lessons to learn from this experience.
It's only a question about a paranoid, insecure and crazy bride- the color grading of the photographer it' s his style and sincerly not bad- YOU know before.
She just discovered that when photographers uses presets on a wedding, (good presets are always emulating some kind of stock film), the colors are not the same that the ones your eyes see in real life. that's the purpose of filmic emulation! The colors will never be the same because the way the film act. this is what photographers look for and love. If she is asking herself thoses types of questions, maybe she should start making photos. She should have asked for "realistic" photos and not to much stylised. And the photographer should have explained her the difference.
Totally agree with the bride. I am an amateur photographer that does just family and friends. Would never do a wedding. However l would be curious if the photographer knows how to edit or does she just slap on a preset?
As a photographer, I can guarantee you she didn't apply manual color balancing to a couple of thousand photographs. Wedding got ridiculous in the digital age when photographers started supplying thousands of images as a marketing ploy.
Mate, as a professional photographer, you should have spotted it wasn’t white balance but a stylistic choice. Even the way you graded this video isn’t true to life, it has a slightly muddy tone. You’re wearing a white shirt but it doesn’t look pure white.
I guess you didn't watch until the end! Muddy is my style! :)
@@lukewtcleland I did, you had to look at their portfolio to figure it was their style. I could tell immediately that it wasn't a white balance issue and I'm not as professional as you are. Also, why publish a video unfairly criticising the photographer for 99% of it when you knew it was their style? This isn't live.
@Aggyoko I am a professional photographer and you can adjust the white balance to modify whatever preset the photographer used. Presets are not meant to be slapped on and delivered, presets are just a starting point. White balance is a very specific tool in editing that targets exactly the warm and cool tones, so yes tweaking the white balance can resolve those orange tones along with the other tools to refine the image
@@RodneyO1919 I didn’t say you can’t use white balance and other tools to negate the effect of a preset. I said it wasn’t a case of the photographer getting the white balance wrong but a stylistic choice they made.
I think it’s reasonable to assume that if they’re getting white balance “wrong” in a way that’s achieving the same look, throughout a whole day with different lighting conditions, it’s probably not by mistake.
@Aggyoko he literally said, "If it looks off a little bit" on the preset, and even referenced his own, you can adjust the white balance. In other words, to possibly save this transaction, a simple global white balance adjustment could very well have reduced the amount of sepia tones enough to make the client happy. Now, to be fair, he did say the white balance was wrong, but the context is around the back and forth disagreement on how to get a more acceptable edit. When the bride first gave the feedback about the sepia tones being over bearing, dialing it back with either a white balance tweak or a reduction in the opacity of the preset using the sliders to minimize the overall effect could have saved the relationship.
The photographer is facing the painful reality of accepting a client who has a social media presence.
One has to be aware that any media influencer could see a real or imagine conflict as gravy for their tick tock rating stew!
LOVED this one! We need more “Luke reacts” videos! Not only was it super entertaining because of the inherent drama of the situation, but your commentary really added a lot. I wish I could watch 10 more right now😊
Hahah find me some more drama and I will talk about it 😂
@@lukewtcleland I’m the wrong guy haha, I’m like you, not really on social media.
@@lukewtcleland It doesn't need to be drama; it could be about learning moments.
I always wonder how photographers shot with this exact type of editing styles of weddings without running into this exact issues of clients . That’s priecisly why I didn’t stick to theses type of editing styles when I started early as a new photographer. Imo the photographer style is more of a nature hiking outdoor Instagram style.
The photos on the photographers website are actually really pretty. She definitely leans orange, but it’s not as bad as we see here. I’m not quite sure WHAT went wrong in this situation because the photographers galleries on her website are actually really beautiful.
There is so much that went wrong on both sides. Buying a pizza and then afterwards being sad that is was not a steak is a bad thing. But Buyer's remorse exists... The way the photographer tried to fix things was obviously overshadowed by miscommunication. I cannot understand, why the photographer so harshly clung to their editing style, if that was the main cause of the problem. After all, this is not an art shot, it is contract work. I also listened to the photographer at Vendor's table, but I still think, both parties screwed up.
If it's not what you do, you're likely to screw it up.
This is possibly the calmest, most rational reaction any bride could possibly have to this situation.
Low key awesome tip color grading tip, never tried that before @9:03
Haha yes!! Glad you noticed. It's a good one. Too many people yelling at me that they missed I'm trying to give tips throughout! :)
People keep saying oh she showed how her photos look so you know what her style is but to be honest if you were not there you would not know how far off the colorimetry of her photos are.
She may have thought that these people were very tan people on a really golden lighted day and when she gets a completely tinted sunglass version of reality for 8k she's going to feel ripped off.
She could have just offered to provide the photos with either auto white balance from the camera or Lightroom instead and not really cost any time.
Wedding photography is a Service not a Art form in my opinion.
And how about photographer's podcast? Haven't seen any so far or maybe I'm not just updated.
Presets should be adjusted based on lighting.
Can everyone look up actual sepia vs overly yellow and warm images.
She is professional Photographer, the orange or sepia is her style. If you will check her website she is consistent in her work. It's just too bad because the client makes so much noise about it thru social media.
So weird what us clients are paying for weddings.
Besides this, all this is a horror in Beige. Not only the photos also the "bride" in her tiktok, She is really living the sad beige life but somehow a different sad beige than the photographer's sad beige.
This is really why I never do private clients, no taste, and you can never win ... and annyoing people.
lol I'm not sure what horror in beige means. but it's kind of funny lol
On a real note, the photographer should have communicated if their “style” was going to be 100% artistic freedom in this situation and should have talked to the client more about their expectations regarding their wedding day…. When it comes to weddings, the client should have priority over an editing style…
I got disappointed while watching this reaction video, I expected neutral observations but instead saw biased opinions.
my expectations:
1: you checked the portfolio, bought the service, got what you wanted, you loved the results, except after 30 days because you are a "makeup artist" you realize they're off? that sounds irrational
2: top and bottom photos, the edited was perfect unlike iPhone shot, the bride obviously didn't like the editing which is subjective, and silly of her to choose it in the first place if she didnt like it.( you dont say that is bad, you say that's a style to each their own.)
3: the customer and photographer cant go through photos one by one and agree on style of editing, so 100% satisfaction is not expected.
4: the photographer could have done better but she didn't mess it at the same time, she could offer to natural/neutral automatically edited photos with no effort , the viral video could've been avoided maybe.
All we got is omg that's too bad, ugh its so orangey, okay i dont want to bash the photographer too much, then ooohhhh that's too bad with facial grimaces and saying i could do this and that instead.
feels like u r one of the girl's sisterhood member.
i agree with saying the photographer shpupdnt be sking for 4000 usd for raws, if that's true. the photographer could have handled it better
The photographers gallery is anything but light and airy. Shes just mad because she didn’t actually look at her portfolio
Shit! I would have just paid another editor to edit photos and gave her what she wanted. Or gave her unedited JPEGS so she can do what she wants.
She has been traumatized for 7 months :(
Sepia! I would love to learn from you. I stumbled upon your channel and really liked your take, your delivery, and your knowledge. Im very new to photograohy (like only 6 months new) and not a wedding photographer (not delivering on someones one day scares me 😂) so if you ever decide to open it to other photographers let me know! Thank you for this video!
Awesome! I will keep you posted!
This is going to give me nightmares. whew. anyways. SEPIA!
Sepia! Would love to be part of that community
I only see this as a style issue, the photos are stylized and if someone likes such things, it's good; if not, ok. The bride's concerns are valid but I would've just offered a full or partial refund and be done with it especially after her 2nd video; she was clearly completely unhappy with what she got and would probably not be happy with anything the photographer does.
The photos are consistent with the photographers work. Cracking on if you like colors or the style is silly and unprofessional. It’s art it’s subjective. That retro look is just as good as light and airy . The photos looks beautiful. She signed up for the retro look she received the retro look. She’s not happy with the retro look and now wants a different style of editing and shooting that’s not the retro look. That is the story
She went on an emotional spiral after probably talking to someone or seeing the video. She definitely made the wrong choice of photographer if she's in makeup industry. This would be amazing for some hipster bride but for makeup...yikes. Editing style is completely subjective. I'd say the photographer does a more vintage cinematic type of color grading but she could have made some of brides photos a bit less stylized to make her happy.
Hey sir this is the first time I m watching a video of yours. Not a wedding photographer. You are the only one mentioned real issue with those photos. Watched more than a dozen of videos, but nobody talks about it. It’s freaking WHITE BALANCE 😂😂😂😂.
As a photographer - I think that both the client and the "wedding photographer" utterly deserve each other on this one.
The shots are forgettable, the bride and groom are both ugly, the colour grading is poor, the wedding ceremony was tasteless and tacky .... and to top it all off, it's not even "Sepia", it's just bad all round.
They deserve each other - the Wedding from Idiocracy indeed !
She hired a photographer who is in love with Doritos.
A color grading always alters the colors - If you want the colors to be exactly accurate, hire a photographer who doesn’t use color grading. But then the photos look too „normal“
Hey - I like your chanel thus far by the way ;-) - to be fair: She liked what she saw on instagram - especially because of "that golden aura" (now we know what that golden aura is I guess haha). She liked what she got (AT FIRST at least). So yeah... I mean I usually show like an example wedding or the kind of pictures I usually take BEFORE any kind of agreement. That way people know what to expect. If they like it great. If they don't... that's my style (or my limitations? ;-) who knows...). I do not dig that style of retouching that has been done to the pictures. In her own editing (the tiktoker) it seems as if she liked that much lighter (probably more natural?) edit vs the "golden aura" she got (that she did like before on instagram?). So that's a bit contradictive if you ask me. She looks "orange" yeah, but that's the "warmth" style of this particular photographer (I guess). Many other photographers often shoot weddings and kids pictures and edit them a bit "cooler" and "lighter". Overexposing the ocean in the background yeah... not a PRO move I guess. Yeah... not giving out the RAW files... I understand how many don't want to. But actually it probably doesn't matter. If people want them... I just give it to them. I've seen that some photographers charge extra (to make it more unappealling) but yeah... they already exist... Only gave them out one time (to a friend) and he hasn't looked at them since haha... they're just stored away safely ^^ I mean there are to options in my opinion and as a professional (especially shooting something that special to people) you should EITHER offer a re-edit or just give them the RAWs. (I mean we are just hearing one side of the story here... so from the photographers perspective it could have been a totally different tale haha... but I guess we won't hear her side (WHY ARE YOU CONSTANTLY SAYING "THEY/THEM"? It's been made clear, that the photographer in this case is a "HER"). 4000 Dollar extra (so an extra 50%...) that is pretty aggressive haha. P.S.: I looked up the photographer (I didn't watch instagram but found her homepage) and the thing that I find puzzling... on her homepage her style seems to be pretty different (none of that yellow sepia stuff going on...).
Overcast day just means OCF is even more important.
The photographer delivered 2,000 PICTURES😳 Tried to accommodate her and re-edited some. Gave 10 RAW photographs for FREE and the bride could not be pleased and "Allegedly" threatened her..
Most of me sides with the photographer, this is clearly her style based on her IG. But I’ve also shot events and stuff for friends in the past, and I totally edited way outside of my “editing” style to make them happy. I don’t like that work as much, I don’t personally enjoy it, but it did make them happy so in the end, all good.
Yeah it's a difficult balance to have yourself happy as the photographer, and your client/friend.
It’d be interesting to hear the photographers POV of the saga
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I don't understand the photographer's refusal to willingly share the RAWs.
Looking at this lady, she seems the type that probably bought the premium package, so if she's not happy, why refuse a copy of the RAWs? Makes no sense to me.
When you provide the RAWs you never know what the client is going to do with them. In this case most people would consider the edits the bride made better, but they could also have been horrible. If the clients shows those edited images to others, they most likely assume the photographer did the editing. This can be a bad thing for the photographer. Here the fix was pretty easy and the photographer could have edited the images easily without having to provide the RAWs. Clearly the bride made a mistake as well by hiring the photographer considering the portfolio was in that style.
It was a preset.
I have not fully watched this video, I am at a little before 4:24 and all I can say is, that is wonderful that you can put your light and airy preset on there and make it great. However, if you look at this photogs work, she is clearly warm toned and not "light and airy" so it really doesnt matter at that point because her work isn't what the client wanted, the client wasted both of their time honestly. Like honestly, you should never go to a warm toned photographer like this, and expect light and airy true to tone editing, like common sense.... Also I have no idea what everyone is talking about with the "sepia" editing style, because if you look at her work, it is very warm toned, if you look up sepia it does not look like this at all. lol..
It's not actually sepia its more of an exaggeration - kind of a pejorative term
@@lukewtcleland i guess so lol.
A very reasonable take on some valuable lessons.
Thanks for the positivity! :)
Presuming its a colour grade and not just a wb mistake, would take a minute to kill the colpur grade module, 30 minutes to export, an hour to upload and good publicity would have resulted.
Yes looks like a colour grade. And is definitely the photogs style
Sepia 😢
Dead-looking foliage really should have been a brown flag for the photographer when editing!
She chose her because HERS STYLE! 😮
Hey Luke! Very Interesting Video. I agree that the Sepia Style is to ugly and to fake. I wouldn't give out RAW images either.
Do you provide every client a contract stating that any delivered images shall not be edited further? I once had a client, which put an Instagram filter on the pictures before posting those, which made me angry, but I didn't think it was worth arguing with them, because it was a low paying job anyway.
I don't have in my contract that they cannot change the photo. It would be difficult to enforce, even though yes it drives me nuts to see my photo changed in any way.
"if you spoke your truth"
I see both sides. I feel the bride was a little extra posting all of that on social. But the photog was lazy in the edits.
"Better Edit" is a very subjective statement. it looks like the photographer used some of her presets that she probably thought were nice. That tinted look looks like a bleach bypass look. Which, to be fair, looks more interesting to me than the raw. But she picked this photographer for her style. So why complain after the fact.
I’m disappointed in your take about the ceremony and ocean backdrop. We should be educating our clients that iPhones take HDR photos which would allow for 3+ different exposures to balance the couples skin exposure and the background. The scene looks to have been backlit. Without flash, and sometimes LOTS of it, or doing bracketing, it may be next to impossible to capture this scene if it’s backlit.
I had a wedding last week where the outside mountain scape was in full, harsh Arizona sun. The ceremony itself was indoors with windows looking out to the mountains. I set up two off camera flashes at full power and one on camera at 1/16 power and STILL could not get much detail. Later during family photos, we turned the family away from the mountains to get good light on their faces and I overheard people asking why we weren’t using the mountain backdrop. I explained to them.
In a world where people experience so much of their media as iPhone coverage, it is our job to educate and manage expectations.
I see that you have made a second part, so I will watch and hope that things come full circle, but overall bummed at your response here. The photographer delivered based on her portfolio. If the bride wanted iPhone pictures, she could have hired a friend to photograph her wedding with her iPhone.
She has a wanna be photographer in her family that said something. You can tell by all the technical terms she’s dropping.
The bride has a point, the photographer could have easily fixed this. But why would you hire a photographer based on instagram?
Such is our world.
This photographer is a nasty person. It doesn't matter if her style is to tango every client. She charged $8000 and then wants another $4000 for the RAW she has taking up space on a hard drive.... I'm glad I have morals.
This isn’t WB issue, it’s a preset issue. If it was a WB issue it would still come through in the RAW to a degree.
You can adjust the white balance in post. It is a white balance issue lol, she cranked her temperature way up
@@jalenmoore. I believe she has stated she uses a golden preset she created.
@@30dcanon yes? That doesn’t mean it’s not a white balance issue lol
@@jalenmoore. well WB to me is typically an in camera issue. A preset can be created by other means, including use of sepia filter, hue and saturation, etc vs yanking the WB slider. lol
If you are keeping the white the exact white - are you at that point even editing the photos?? Do you use Colorchecker for every photos? The flash you use is of different Kelvin temperature than the natural light, the moment you change direction, white balance changes! The roaming around cloud in the sky constantly changes the white balance, albeit minor!
The hard truth is that there is no perfection, otherwise wedding photography would need to be done over days not in 8 hours, just like precisions films are made over months not over shooting one day wedding video!
Nope! Just what I think a nice white it. There is perfection in a persons style though!
@@lukewtcleland absolutely, the color did look way far on one side of slider but as you said, your eyes just get so used to it.
I wouldn't lie but I did send some photos to the couple for review yesterday aftet I shot their son's birthday! Did have plenty realization on the way.
I feel cringe watching this video as it's even more full of BS than the tiktok video.
My middle name is cringe.
Is it me or should you not get your most important photos taken by someone's IG account . Did the Bride actually sit down with the Photographer and discuss what she wanted? The Photographer could of let her know that her photos are Sepia style. But I haven't watched the whole video yet
You should check-out the interview with the photographer before commenting on this. There are always two sides to every story....
Totally! That’s why it says Part 1 in the title! Come back Thursday for Part 2!
Sepia! 🤗
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She doesn’t need to buy your presets or watch your videos brotha. She’s doing just fine without you. Kinda shocked it took you 20 mins to realize it’s her style. Seems like you got on here just to try to tell people you’re better than them
LOL
@@lukewtcleland lol is right buddy
Sepia!
What a performance review. $8000… SHEESH….
You should have done some research into this before making a reaction to this. Sepia Bride is a horrible person and just craves attention
Give a person a Canon t7i and a 50mm 1.2 and they think that they are a Expensive Photographer.