Is Systema Effective?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ค. 2024
- Is Systema effective? A fair question to be sure. Here's the truth, the effectiveness of any martial art comes from the practitioner, not the art.
We are all human and subject to the same stressors and stimuli. If you get hit correctly it's lights out.
If someone gets a proper submission hold or breaking technique applied to you, well so sorry.
It's more important that we spend the time training and pushing ourselves towards constant improvement instead of arguing over which system is superior.
Good human movement is just good human movement.
0:00 Is Systema effective?
0:10 Intro
0:26 Truth about Systema Effectiveness
1:23 Systema Play?
1:35 Key #1
2:00 Simple Evasion Drill
2:36 Adding Objects
3:20 Evasion w/ Contact
4:12 Key #2
5:07 Elbow Takedown
5:45 Knee Takedown
6:10 Takedowns in Motion
7:37 Now Practice - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
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Thank you for doing this video, this is one of, if not THE most balanced way of explaining the basic basics of the concept of Systema.
Thank you Jay, I am glad you enjoyed the way I break things down.
Roughly, martial arts are self defense. But purely just self defense is not yet martial arts.
Rusty, you've made a lot of good points in these messages. And Vladimir Vasiliev has made similar statements about the principles of martial arts being the same no matter what name you give it. He said good movement is good movement
And as for the connection to Chinese martial arts I agree there too.
I have a friend who is well trained in multiple Taiji systems, most recently Zhaobao. And we talk often about the overlapping principles and movements.
Thank you for your insightful comments.
@@JesusRevezzo thank you very much, but yes , I've actually trained 10years in tae kwon do , and kyuokushin karate first and kickboxing, but mostly wing Chun and tai chi. So a good bit all around, plus I've studied most existing martial arts just those specifically I have trained in. And yes systema or what it originates from was Chinese kungfu masters who traveled to Russia and started teaching arts like wing Chun and tai chi, their teachings were later basically blended together with this and that to form the basics principles and techniques of systema.
@@JesusRevezzo but yes I've seen some of vlads stuff, I like it. Systema has kept and applied many of the important principles of martial arts, alot more so than many other arts today do and that's the part I like most. Oh it's also actually based off of qi gong, an art like tai chi for healing yourself and others(I've trained it for many years as well and it can really be the key to connecting all of this) except applied in a martial arts sense instead of for healing
Love your style! Great explanation of breaking structure. Subscribed.
Glad you like it Angelo. There more we understand the structure of ourselves and those we're working on the more magical things appear.
Nice video - I liked the takedown breakdown. I bought Vlad's original VHS series when they came out in the 1990s, I've been a student in a (IMO bad) Systema school, had private System instruction, and seminars with various instructors including Kevin Secours (who's interpretation of Combat Systema I enjoy) - and ultimately there are elements that work, and there are elements that SOME schools teach that are inherently bad / not pressure tested. My biggest conclusion is that if you have an existing combative art base, Systema has a lot to offer but there is a lot of fluff depending on the instructor. Dan the Wolfman (Wolfman Combatives) integrates Systema into his system - some good stuff.
Hey Daniel, thanks for the comment.
And talk about "old school" with the VHS, that's cool you found Systema back then.
As for a bad school, unfortunately it happens.
Kevin and Dan do a great job at demonstrating how Systema and other seemingly soft systems can be incredibly effective though.
I could be wrong, but I feel as though Systema can be a solid combative base for people if that's what they choose to focus on.
Although, we could also look at Systema as a health and wellness practice that just happens to also be a fighting system. Vladimir mentioned this in one of his seminars.
Again, thank you for the comment Daniel. Feedback such as yours is always good to have.
Attackers dont usually stand still and let you move their elbows.
You're absolutely correct. That's why this is merely an example of how structure can be manipulated.
Not the brightest of the bulbs are you?
Tks for your guide
You're welcome Hoai.
Great break down as always J.R miss working with you
Thank you sir. Yes, it was always good working with you. I hope we get to do it more in the future.
Just last week I was showing someone the video of us practicing the fundamental ground work.
Great video!! Great demonstration and explanation of Systema concepts.
Thanks Heather, much appreciated.
Very informative. Thank you so much!
You're quite welcome HypnoDaddy 😎
Great video and great explanation, bravo
Much appreciated. I strive to make things clear and simple to understand.
Jesus, you're a great teacher. You explain and demonstrate so my understanding is clear.
That's great to hear this helped you understand. Thank you for the compliment. 😊
So when the opponent is in a weak position are u using your body weight , being heavy, or muscle to take them to the ground beacuse I know u have to remain soft right?
Also
U dont wsnt to disturb there inertia right?
Yes. The heaviness of your body is best. If using muscle, the trick is to use only what's necessary to get the job done. And yes to not disturbing the inertia as well. If their body is in motion we merely want to guide the motion.
@@JesusRevezzo thank you I’ve been having difficulty lately trying to be heavy and using just enough tension but I will focus on this more thanks for clearing it up
Just for example the "relaxation" used in systema actually has a large variety of functions and applications, it's just that most don't understand it and fewer have actually done and stuck with the necessary training to actually further that beyond areas systema covers. It's intended to utilize internal or "soft" power. And the "relaxation"(which is a terrible word to use) is a pre condition for that to flow but you also have to actually have the power to use and the ability to manipulate it
Body pain brought me to Systema. Pain also took me through the acting repertoire of my University.
In my first acting class we discussed "the body is your instrument": Body mechanics, fluidity, relaxation, etc... We practiced yoga, Feldenchrist, a bit of chiropractic science, etc...
Our first physical exercise ise: Walking meditation. Slow and aware. A few of us found that there's a switch that gets thrown. Soon we were in the trees moving like monkeys! The slow and careful opened up to explosive!
Best video on rma, I wish v v, Toronto would start me with this show first before starting RMA, instead of having to go with Milkhail Ryabko. Best.
Hey George, thank you for your kind words. It's very humbling to hear you say this. I am happy you found this video helpful and I hope you get to watch the rest of my videos as well. What rma topic would you like to hear more about?
I really love your video on systema but I’m alone and I’m a bignner and there are no instructors who can can give me lessons on how to learn systema in my place. can you give me some tips on how to start and get my basic principle strong
Hey Ali. I am happy you love the video and find them helpful.
You're best bet to get started on your own are through videos such as mine - I encourage you to watch them all and practice the tips in them.
And also go to russianmartialart.com/. This is the website of Vladmir Vasiliev and the Systema Headquarters school. They have great video resources and even live online trainings that you can attend.
Also, get a friend involved with you if possible. This way you can practice pulling, pushing, and twisting another person.
Those are the best ways to get started without a local instructor.
This was a great view of how to use the least amount of effort to have the biggest effect. If you can do this long enough, you can wait for your opponent to wear out!
That's true. And with practice you become more proficient and you can catch the person in their own movements, using these levers, and the fight is practically over before it even starts.
Every instructor of systema should start with this class, just the opposite of Vladimir's system of vanity and greed.
I appreciate that you seem to see a lot of vaule in this lesson.
I'm new to Systema. Just bought about 14 dvds trying to learn in my free time. Your 8min video made more sense than all 14 of these videos.
Wow! I am humbled by your statement. I do often try to make things easy to understand so that both beginners or advanced martial artists can grasp the Systema concepts.
What are some of the dvds you bought?
You can watch videos till you turn blue, but until you experience Systema physically it will not make sense to you.
@@greggreed3840 is right. The best training will always be with an instructor. Or, at least, someone else whose had the opportunity to train with some of the great instructors and can share what they learned.
Hi, View them in this order-
Systema hand to hand
Stick combat
Knife defense
Confined space
Beat the odds
Strikes
Path way to mastery
I taught myself from the dvds just write down the drills and practice them like shadow boxing.
Watch the dvds alot and mimic till you get the feel of it and how to move.
Then go to a class or teach a friend to test yourself to figure out what needs improving and work on that.
Breathing helps to Relax and good Posture helps both which improves overall Movement these are the main principles to remain calm under mental and physical attack.
Once mastered apply them progressively to combat like the drills in the dvd.
The principles for combat are-
EVADE Redirect or Absorb their Attacks.
CONTACT- them touching you or you on them with any part of the body. To Redirect Absorb then attack back.
IMPACT - Take away their Breath make them Tense break their Posture and
CONTROL them and their Movement -Knocking them out or Locking them up then knocking them out.
In a class you may only see something once or twice with a DVD you can watch hundreds of times understanding the principles and progressively applying them is the key. Difficult to do in a class.
Now you know what to look out for whilst watching them.
Bit of a long reply but I hope it helps and good luck.
@@kubotan26 seems you missed the most important one “breathwork” proper breathing is very important in Systema.
But systema will require a deeper and more complex understanding of these concepts and practice to be useful to majority of people. It's not for someone just trying to learn some basic self defense tips, it's methods really aren't "basic" and your not really going to come away with much from just short classes for a short period of time other than maybe the knowledge to stick to and further that training on your own of course. But for someone who intends to or already does seriously train martial arts it is very useful and effective, I would actually only add a few things to it, that were mostly left out because of being time consuming or not understood
Another good presentation Jesus.
Thank you sir. Hope all is well in your world.
awesome
Thank you. Your comment is much appreciated.
Nice Video, i wish there was someone near my place who teaches Systema
Thank you Ramon. Sometimes the best thing you can do it train with videos and travel for some in person trainings when appropriate.
@@JesusRevezzo thanks a lot, wish you all the best, i'm looking forward for new Systema Videos of you
Great video
Thank you sir. What was a big take away you had from this video?
@@JesusRevezzo Progressive drills build the attributes skills and mindset to express your own version of Systema .
Awesome. No Systema in Indianapolis... that I can find. Keep them coming. My twin 9 year-olds like the video, too. I'll practice this one with them after breakfast.
Glad you and the little ones are enjoying these. I am actually working on a comprehensive defense program for fathers. So, I am glad to hear you'll be practicing with your children.
@@JesusRevezzo Awesome!
As I see it the problem with systema and all martial arts is can you truly keep your self relaxed in a REAL nasty situation and the answer I believe is only yes if you are as practiced and skillful as only a few of the great masters are. It is hugely difficult to keep one's ego which is the governor of tension out of the way. Only my personal opinion FYI.
Totally reasonable statement. I know for me the benefits of the training carryover into daily life quite a bit. I was once involved in a near accident while driving a gasoline truck when someone pulled out in front of me. I was able to safely maneuver the truck out of the way of 2 vehicles and bring it to a safe stop. I believe this was due to staying calm in the moment based on my training. As for doing the same during an actual physical attack, you're right tough to know. Thanks for your thoughts.
@@JesusRevezzo Thank you sir and keep on training. I think to be successful one must have extensive practice reworking brain maps. Not easy overcoming normal human response and I myself attempt it in daily life and training. Godspeed.
Which why we spend so much time on breath and relaxation when teaching systema. These are two of the main pillars that allow you to work smoothly.
Mate you have a typo in the titlecard
Whoops, thanks for telling me. Where is it exactly so I can fix it?
@@JesusRevezzo at 0.21 "sysetma". Your video was very interesting. Thank you for the insight!
@@0zn79 thanks I see it now. I've got a new video on Systema breathing that will be posted tomorrow. Hope you enjoy that one as well.
good presentation...i want to see real fightvone day...hope you consider it in the future
I will consider it for the future. You may also want to check out Martin Wheeler, Kwan Lee, and Kevin Secours.
@@JesusRevezzo I’ve had the opportunity to train with Martin on multiple occasions as well as Vladimir, Danill Ryabko and Kwan Lee. All great instructors.
@@greggreed3840 Agreed, they are all great. I've been able to train with them as well. Daniil, I only met once in Las Vegas at his father's seminar. But he taught a small segment.
I am sorry, but I tried systema and had the opportunity to spar an instructor. I have an amateur boxing background and I never landed as much hits as in that case. I only pushed my strikes and never snapped them, but the instructor was helpless. Everyone has a plan...
...until they get punched in the face.
As mentioned at the 0:30 mark in the video, Systema in no more or less effective than any martial art. Including boxing. The effectiveness lies in the person. Everything else are just principles, skills, and tactics.
Consider this as well, maybe you're a better boxer than you think.
Thanks for you comments Armin, if you're ever in the Tampa Bay area of Florida perhaps we can train together.
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I know alott of people give systema alot shit, and martial arts in general for that matter. But those people also don't understand it so it's semi natural they would. But yes systema is very effective, just like most arts are if you've actually trained to use them. You cannot master the guitar in one day of practice lol. As well as just because any art is effective to those who can properly use it does not mean it would work for everyone. Some arts are not for some people.
I learned systema for 3 years from the student of systema's creator Kadochnikov. And yes, it is realy simple to understand.
Good results when you practice every day. I like your video.
If systema will be learned by the kids all over the world from 5 years yo 10, and then practicing all live like morning exercises then we will have pice at all, no one will even think to heart any one.
Greatings from Kiev!
Training with Kadochnikov students must have been great. I am happy you enjoyed the video and I agree, if we get our children studying Systema early on it would be great.
And if we as adults practiced it more I believe we would be a more peaceful overall society.
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That being said, systema would be useful for quite a wider range of people than most arts and really is more of a method and concept than a specific martial arts "style". (I understand many individuals have their own style and adaptation of systema) but the principles and methods it uses come from mostly Chinese kungfu, but you could call it just the principles of martial arts itself, kinda like the laws of physics. It's something inherently true of reality, wether an individual or style focuses on that aspect of it or not.
All these things work at half speed, get in a ring with someone actually trying to hit u and show off these techniques. What a joke this is.
I could be wrong, but people who get in rings dont start out at full speed either. Right?
Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@JesusRevezzo c’mon if u watch all of these systema videos none of it is at real speed. These guys do their system no favor by portraying it in this light, makes it look fake
@@seanporter6431 You make a great statement. I have seen many video like the ones you mention. And I've even told people that many videos can make it look fake or scripted.
So, your criticism is very valid. And it's quite possible that Systema isn't the right art or system for you.
Although, if you ever get an opportunity to visit the North American headquarters school in Toronto run by Vladimir Vasiliev, I suggest you take it. Even if you still don't like it at least you can say your tested it out and it wasn't for you.
Unless you've already trained in it before.
Otherwise, I wish you well on your journey. And I will consider making videos with higher speeds and more intensity.
What's wrong with your hair, man? Youre playing some comics hero or what?
You absolutely nailed it. Thanks for noticing.
Well, his name IS Jesus, so ...
🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 nice video but, it's a no for me. Just my opinion 🤷🏾♂️
That's a beauty of life. We all get to decide what's right for us. Thanks.
@@JesusRevezzo nah just trolling brother. Respect what you're doing here. 🤙🏾🤙🏾🤙🏾
😎 Thanks man.
In my country we said: mais quelle turbo-merde !
So you dont like the video content?
That's ok, I can't make everyone happy.
Thanks for watching. 😎
@@JesusRevezzo Usual bullshit coming from Systema. One day you will make sparrings, that will bring you down to Earth.
Hahaha
Happy I could bring some joy to your day. 😎
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Glad I could make you laugh so much.
Systema is a bullshido, prove me wrong and show me a real fight using systema?
Hey regardless of your opinion thanks for watching.
Please go find the nearest instructor and try
@@royp8804 I will do that. Always up to learn more. Thanks for watching and commenting as it helps this video get more traction on TH-cam. Perhaps you have some training videos here on TH-cam that I can watch. If so, send the links.
@@JesusRevezzo no I didn't mean you man you a good guy I meant people who judge it
Anyways have a blessed day 👊
@@royp8804 sorry for misunderstanding. Thanks for the correction.
lol lol lol
Glad I made you lol. Thanks for watching.
@@hansimgluck5709 what fighters,no fighter trains or uses systema,only fantasists and conmen instructors.This video here is the perfect proof of it not working at all.
@@JesusRevezzo , that’s a very systema answer;) 👍
@@RakNtaK Thanks. I am happy you recognize that.
Are the any Systema ideas or concepts you like to videos about? I'll do my best to make it happen.
@@JesusRevezzo, thx for your reply! Escape on the ground would be neat