SO true, I could not even stand the 1st episode. The dialogues are so slow and stupid. I would say laapata ladies is far better than this. and Tawaaif is sooo overused.
Vey well spoken and reviewed offcourse, but i think Tajdar's character was perfectly casted and performed as well, he played his part really really well.We missed you reviewing on his performance!!
You are absolutely correct in your review. Another thing I noticed was that these were dancing courtesans, but there was really not a single actress who knew or performed actual classical kathak. As an Indian, but who watches Pakistani shows all the time. Even I could tell that this is not the verse that is read by muslims when somebody dies. And as a punjabi, I can tell you that the murder that was made of the punjabi hindi mixture that the help of the house spoke is beyond pathetic.
Very good review, the series is a very good production as for as set designing, costumes, acting and partly music is concerned but fiction has its flaws as described in this clip. In set design also one can pinpoint the ideas taken from Bhansali Jee’s previous movies. Despite all these shortcomings it’s worth a watch and might bring people of two neighbouring countries closer.
Good analysis & comments on the flaws & weaknesses in the script. However please do note that all movies of SLB are over glamourised focused on sets,costumes, glamour and not on maintaining the historical truth of the story or the times it relates to, only 'Heera Mandi'. Devdas too was over glamorised whereas in the classic novel and the in Dilip Kumar Devdas 'Paru' and where she lived is simple and not affluent & glamorous. SLB movies /series are fictional and not based on facts. Please do bear this in mind. At least SLB series has opened up the subject of 'heera mandi' for discussion and debate!
OMG you hit all the right points!! story mein sach mein bilkul bhi time nahi spend kiya, I could barely keep my head up, I was falling asleep! Alamzeb ka character did not make any sense to me and end ke episodes mein toh I was watching it all on 2.0x speed! Like alamzeb ka character represents young love and passion along with the star crossed lovers trope, but na hi mujhe pyaar dikha and no passion; I didn't care about their love! Side characters mein Indresh Malik as Ustaad really did steal the show for me! I was way more into that character than anyone else haha Great review! :)
Watching this from India. I get your points, quite fair. Especially lack of Punjabi flavour in a series set in Lahore and the weird first meet of Alamzeb and Tajdar. However, i hope you understand this is what SLB’s world is like. Movies like Bajirao Mastani or Padmaavat even though made on historical characters were beautiful visual and musical spectacles and a cinematic experience rather than knowledge imparting. Look at it that way and it’ll make sense.
You are absolutely right! I am a huge Fan of SLB and I understand completely where he comes from! He literally blew everyone away with production and costumes design and even the songs are growing on me ❤❤🎉🎉 loads of love from across the border ❤
As an Indian and a Bengali I was so offended by his Devdas 🤢 and I hated it for all the similar points you brought up. If he is spending so much money it would be so easy to add some authentic details. He has the opportunity to not pander to box office and really do something authentic and amazing through Netflix. Would have elevated the experience so much more. Could have been a masterpiece but sadly was a lovely hollow series. Most of my desi friends didn’t like it. Laapata Ladies on the other hand😍😍😍 amazing
This is a master piece and a gripping web series but from an Indian perspective. Understand that you are concerned with detailing of some Urdu words that Bhansali should have taken care of but from an Indian perspective no body cares as not many people understands Urdu script. This is not made for Pakistani audience but you are obviously welcome to watch and comment.
Netflix is a global platform for everyone where series/films are made for 192 countries that have access to the platform. Series is indeed made breathtaking however when made on certain culture/traditions it should keep in mind its language and verbiage
@@Southiedesi07 Bhai kya aap inlogo ko reply de reheho ! Chodo na ignore Karo, yelog to hai hi madrasa chaap kaha samajh payenge ki ye Undivided India ka plot hai.
I really think these details should be focused. Although it is a movie where people don't notice these small things but those who belong to that history and culture can notice these very easily and obviously it doesn't give them 100% satisfaction of the movie. Really where we are spending so much details on sets, we should invest more money on focusing actual details and story. Thanks for sharing authentic info from authentic people who belong to that historical place and felt that cultural from their own senses. Love from India 🇮🇳 ❤😊
Aditi rao's character in the show is muslim, so kuch "Kabul karne " ki baat hi nahi hai,secondly this show is based in undivided India so is talking about india's independence, the freedom struggle in Lahore was never isolated in Pakistani land it was connected with networks across undivided India,so the date is justified from india's point of view because it was to free India out of British ,not have a breakaway muslim land
The use of Arabic with context to the incident is wrong. SLB is known for his detailing and accurate craftsmanship. However, it was disappointing as a fan to see such errors.
Also the psoter in urdu said "wedaish" instead of pardes. Even they were reciting qalma shahadat on death news. You are so right if itna detailing set amd dresses pe dia hai tou could have invested more on the authenticity or urdu language, written and pronounciation and muslim culture. Like day time malika jaam saying shaba khair. Seriously
I don’t agree with this review at all. It is just picking a magnum opus and trying to get some mileage out of this. The story is a strong, emotional one. Nitpicking seems to be your mission and you absolutely missed the story and the emotions.
Ohhhhh... He is absolutely right. Bcz we are from Pakistan we know how we talk and what is the reality. We don't use the words Ap Janab etc etc. Useless and week Story line But Great acting.
I’m not Pakistani nor speak Urdu but this series was total disappointment. It could have been hit series if some research would have done properly. You are just amazed with costumes/jewelries/background but failed to notice the basis details and accuracy.
I don't think its a fair critic. Series says its a fiction and they do idea is for audience to get into Bhansali's fictional world, not expecting historical accuracies or chronology. I guess for pakistani folks, they are too close to the heeramandi as a place to be completely fair. Only issue I see is screenplay and that was never Bhansali's forte.
Your review doesn't make sense here in India 🇳🇪 we watched the show for only and only entertainment. It's a grand show and it's a blockbuster. Save your reviews for your own drama (if someday any Pakistani series comes on Netflix!)...!
I appreciate where appreciation is due. Do watch my review for Chamkila and Maidaan! The visuals of the series were the only entertainment tbh. Writing was flawed in this series😊
@@sahalmanzoorsheikh doesn't matter if it's "Flawed", this show is for entertainment and it's added bonus to get visual treat along with the entertainment . It's a fully Paisa vasool show. Don't spread negative publicity with your unwanted reviews PLEASE
Then babuphukan make indian films and set them in india. You have no right to destroy our pk culture. Before 1947 it was hindustan. India came after 1947
@@catseyes8377 the plot of the story is before undecided India, Pakistan was not even existed by that time ! BTW you follow the same culture in your country like us, but the difference is we don't have the culture of marrying our own Cousins!
Hi, very fair and valid comments. A lot of focus given to sets, costumes, glamour but not enough on historical facts. If making a movie on a historical true matter, it should be important to present the facts, the culture the language etc accurately. There is lack of detail on these as you mention. SLB should have done more research or taken contribution on these from a Pakistani person. Though it may seem u r critical as u r from Pakistan, but points u make i find them valid & fair though I am an indian. Good analysis!
Thank you for this appreciation! ❤️ It is not about India Pakistan. I am a huge SLB Fan and I expect nothing but sheer excellence from him! He has made the series so aesthetically pleasing and with these small research he could have made the PERFECT series!
As far as I rèmember reading, in the first few years of independance, pakistan too celebrated it on 15th August. Only later on, due to politics, it was changed in pakistan to 14th August.
@sidsaraj4391 we have no brain washing system like you have in Islam/ Pakistan. I said I am not sure about what I am saying but if what I remember is correct then our system is very credible.
i also watched today ,accent is not accurate verily like basant palchmi word we Lahoris never used .then they are ready to show off any time anywhere but not true and this art and culture is all about dancing and manners not for *e* ,last episode is about azadi where it speaks about 15 august as independence day so let me clear that Pakistan celebrates on 14 august and Lahore is part of Pakistan .A positive side that they might watch reels and read about Lahore still make a series with awesome Malika jan,TAJ, Alam zeb ,Qudsiya and Saima like characters.
Im an indian n i think this review is very very good...bang on...the focus was on looks', outfits and grandeur only no focus on story or history. Disappointing.
Nice review. I think Pakistani actors could have done justice with Heeramandi. Other than Fawad Khan and Mahira Khan, Heeramandi should have actresses like Sanam Saeed too. A Pakistani TV serial on Heeramandi would be better than this web series because you have good writers there. Off note, you resemble Harman Baweja, the way he looks now.
@@sidsaraj4391 my grandpa was a freedom fighter and he 16 and lived in Lahore briefly. He had saved a copy of the newspaper. That’s why I know this. Go to the Library in UK and see it yourself
@@sidsaraj4391 tumhe to history ka h bhi malum nahi.. Pakistan to real history padhata hi nahi.. to kya janoge murkh.. if you don't believe India then go read UK archive or British documents which are available and documented.. where it's clearly mentioned Pakistan baad mai 14 August ko change kiya pehle 15 tha..lol
U ppl think dat only u guys having knowledge of urdu n talaffuz.... In fact we ppl also know urdu as muslim even ik how to write it... N in lucknow n hyderabad. It's common language
@@younasjan7383 i agree... Old Pakistani dramas were really good, but all new Pakistani dramas are turning in garbage it seems (like Indian dramas)!! For example "Tere Bin", despite of super talented cast it's just a Disaster!
@@sahalmanzoorsheikhmere ko lgta ek do pakistani actor or actress ko lete to thhodi ancent real aa jata imran Abbas fawad khan h feroz sajjal Ali h Mahira khan h auntiyon se acting krwadi Punjabi language ki aesi tesi krdi body ko screen se chatna thha kya 250 crore lgaye h 10 15 crore or lga dete itne me pakistani actor or actress aa jate
@@Skjiseeker8483 aapke log plastic ke thali pe cooking gas bhar kar gubbare ke jaise lekar jarehe hai aur aap sochte ho ki 10-15 crore pe aapke actors ko SLB cast karte .....😂😂😂😂😂 Jo v ho lekin sach ye hai ki Mahira Khan, Sanam Saeed and Fawad Khan we love them
Tum bas zabardasti kamiyaan nikal rhe ho "detailing" ki idk what you're issue is bcz pakistani series have wayyy more stupid detailing issues . Although i do agree ki series wasn't as great as expected but not bcz of detailing issue but bcz of the story telling way
A book published in 2004 is shown in pre partition time? Use of the language that all characters and settings demand is incorrect. The written language is a mere scribble on newspaper. These are few “details” that definitely are jarring. Yes, script was weak although they had an extremely strong plot at hand. I am a die heart Fan of SLB and we expect nothing but brilliance and excellence from him. 🫶🫶🫶
Then you must watch the Pakistani serial. far better than Heeramandi or social issues par Jo pakisthani industry k serials hai vo hamare yaha kabhi bnaa bhi nahi sakte ... You must watch Dobara, Khani , zindagi Gulzar hai and many more
@GlobalLensFacts I've watched a few then that why i talked about them having "stupid" mistakes but unlike you guys we don't point those things or hate on them just bcz. Pakistani serial mai toh same scene mai hairstyle and dress change ho jata h baat krte krte 😂 where's the detailing there?
@@GlobalLensFacts tumlog to apni Cousins se shaadi karte ho aur usi PE serial banate ho.... Ex "HUMSAFAR" jispe Fawad Khan apni Bua ki beti Mahira Khan se (cousin sister) shaadi karti hai. Chi chi apni Bhejen Bhai Tak ko nehi chodte tum log aur chale hum pe ungli uthane !
Are bhai tum to dhoti khol rahe ho 😂 but aap ki baato se mai agree karta hu kyu k mai bhi jo aap keh rahe hain wahi baate mere zahen bhi khatak rahi thi, ek incident 😂bahot hi ajeeb lagta hai jab din me bhi vo , shabb Khair" keh te Hain it's look very awkward 😂 or bahot saari khamiya hai jo unho ne ki lekin aap ne acchi tarha se saamne rakha. Mai India se hu or Urdu zaban ki Jaye paidaish Hindustan hai or kaafi log Urdu zaban se wa basta hain maahir hain 😂 pata nhi ye log kaise itni badi galtiyaan kr rhe hain
Thanks k ap ny MERI theran flag wala point raise keya. Flag Dekh k saaf pata Chala k kaisy history KO destroy kerny ki try ki gae hy. Even in one dialogue they mentioned ghandi g n Nehru but not qaid e Azam n other Muslim league leaders. Yh 2 situation Dekh k series NY apna Sara image hee tabhaa Ker diyia. From my side it 2,/5*
It's story based pre-independent India so and jinha is not freedom fighter hi is only Muslim leader who never went to jail . And if you don't know the flag of India are hosted by javaharalal neharu on 13 dec 1929 Bank of ravi river at lahor so logically showcasing Indian flag was correct
I haven’t watched it and thanks to reviews don’t plan to waster 8 hrs. I was turned off when I saw clips of Indian flag and 15th august in Lahore 1947, plus mentions of Nehru and Gandhi but not Jinnah by Lahori Muslim people. So biased and so stupid
Story set in 1942, why would it have any flag other than an Indian flag? Also, Jinnah was a Muslim leader, not freedom fighter. He never went to jail so in the context of that dialogue it did not make sense to talk about Jinnah. They only talked about Gandhi and Nehru who had actually been to prison for many years.
Music was just below average I mean u still not forgot devdas dola ry, hara rang, kayee chairr, n Many others sanjhy movies songs. No Cathy lyrics no Cathy music n hook steps. Sakal ban n talismi bahaien were good.
Urdu language is derived and originated from Arabic and Persian. But definitely agreed on the lack of resources on making good movie/series. We are way behind on infrastructure and resources. There is a lot to cover. I will highly recommend you to see “Maula Jutt” from Pakistan. It is a great leap by Pakistan In terms of Film-Making.
I agree with most of your objections....yesss a granny like farida jalal could have easily inculcated family values n etiquette in her highly educated grandson,instead of sending him to those tawaifs😂😂😂😂😂
Biboo jan ki kia motivation factor tha k wo freedom fighter ban gae sab sy phaly??? Kuch nhe bataya. Malikajaan k rape k baad fateeda n baqi sab sympathy ki wajha sy sab badal gaye... Lkn phr bhe tawaif Ka freedom fighter ban jaany ki motivation factor was missing. Yes u r right fawad imran n mahira will do justice to their character too.
They say it in the series. That they don't want to be servants and slaves of anyone and the land does not betray. That's y bibbojaan even gave her earnings for the cause
I think manisha mam said shabakher sarcastically kyunki pehle usne unhe adabaz kha tha toh unhone bhi adabaz kha tha toh isliye she said shabakher to make fun of him
@@sahalmanzoorsheikh arey koi US wala india ki story pe film banayega toh kya pure hindi accent daalega kya??? humlog yahan hindi bolte hain..hindi samjhte hain...we need the dialogues which we could understand....jisko urdu , tamil, telugu, punjabi me dekhna hai wo apne language me dub karwa le...
Incorrect. Any series or film made for the language is made with correct grammar and pronunciation. Tell me something, If it was supposed to be hindi bhai then why is even urdu attempted? They could have used proper hindi? Why was heeramandi referred? Any fictional place like used in Gangubai could have been used? A film made in the respective language “tamil, Telugu” also looks at the correct usage of words. As per your thought process A film based on Telugu origin can be written in gujrati? 😂
@@sahalmanzoorsheikh why so much of brainstorming?? Bollywood 90% audience are indians... when we make a bollywood movie which tells the story of some reigional parts of india where Hindi is not their first language...still those movies are highly influenced by hindi accent...same here in Lahore of british indian depiction, SLB kept urdu and punjabi in the shadow of Hindi language... because we have to watch and understand....ye baat tumlog samjh paate toh Pakistani film industry aaj barbaad nahin hoti...i guess pakistani film industry top 100 movie industries in the world me bhi nahin aati...
@@sahalmanzoorsheikh This is a web series dedicated to entertainment and 60-70% touch of original locality...it's not the documentary of Heeramandi where everything should be perfectly matched with reality..
Well said. I also felt the love story of alam was boring, also i was not able to digest the last moment patriotic sentiments of all leads. Fardeen khan had zero screen presence and I don’t understand how such weak role can be considered as come back. Infact Tajdar father had much bigger role compared to Fardeen. Infact i liked phato satto saima and the guy who played the dallal/ agent/ khabri of entire Hiramandi.
Saw all the 8 episodes of Heeramandi in 1 go. It was necessary because I feared if I watched it in bits, I might lose some link. I write these few lines immediately after watching the series. Bhansali gave too much importance to the look / get up. The soul is missing. Full marks to the Set Designer, though in creating an ambience of Shahi Mohalla (Heera Mandi).. Dargah designed like a Gurdwara.. very Punjabi architecture.. and all. I am afraid, Bhansali went 2 centuries back, mentally.. He got into "Mah-laqa Chanda Bai".. fast forward by 1 century+ to "Malkajaan", "Gowhar jaan".. and came close to the 1930s - 1940s. He kept the timeliness fluid. That was his undoing. From Buggies to Convertibles.. Timeline got messed up. Manisha Koirala as "Malkajaan" (not Mallika Jaan) shines thru-out. Alamzeb (Sehgal) couldn't act., and her voice culture was masculine and jarring. Someone should have dubbed for her ! Sonakshi Sinha, Aditi Rao Hydari, Taha Shah, Adhyayan Suman, Fardeen Khan, Shekhar Suman.. all performed well. The character of Koch-waan Iqbal and Saima were unnecessary and a drag. The 2 maids (Satto - Phatto) were just about ok. Music is forced. A Rasoolan Bai thumri "Phool Gendwa na maro" didn't resonate. Nor did the classic "Rang Sari Gulabi Chunariya Rey". There were some classics played in the background, yet failed to register on the mind. Not 1 original Ghazal.. a song .. that one took away...hummed. Bhansali should have left the Music to a proper Music Director.
The purpose was to show that they were not bad ladies and were made nautch girls after colonisation. Saima story is also important as it gives a glimpse of how servants lived or went through . .overall even if glamorousised..it did a good job in showing the world who they were and they should be given honour as they helped in revolution
Bilkul waise hi hai us time to ek hi tha lekin ab kafi change ho gaya hai ..lekin Jo bhi ho Pakistan se to ban nhi payegi ..Imf se karza lekar bahle hi bana le🤔🤪🤪
@@sahalmanzoorsheikh paksitan toh bahut hi confused hai appni history ko lai ke...pakistan ko khud nahi pata ki unka independence 14 aug hai ja 15 aug...vese vi jinnah gov. general bana tha
@@sahalmanzoorsheikhAre you agree with your review? But you are incorrect in saying that 14th of us was always considered to be. The independence named in pakistan for the first few years, fifteenth august, was the common day for both countries😊
Aapke actors to Maola Jatt jaisi movie mein Punjabi bhi theek se nahi bol rahi thi, aur aapko Hindi bolne vaala Urdu mein kya likh rahe hain iski fikr horahi hai? This is called nit picking.
@@sahalmanzoorsheikh nice to know that you only scrutinize Indian movies. Mahira Khan’s Punjabi accent was cringe. Also while we are on this subject, this new OST which is a super hit these days… Tera mera hai pyaar amar… isn’t that completely Hindi? When did Pakistan start using Hindi words like “amar” and “jeevan”? So please think before you’re trying to roast legends like SLB.
@@amberh5849 You are simply diverting from my Question here. Punjabi dialect being Cringe and making mistakes in a language and culture are two different things. There was no misinterpretation of the language throughout the film.
@@sahalmanzoorsheikh I am not diverting at all. I’m stating the fact that you care about what the actress is writing in a book that wasn’t even the point of focus, yet you are okay with the completely botched up Punjabi accent in a Pakistani movie?
Grow up and maybe get a history lesson or two. They were not showing Pakistan, they were showing pre partition India. You can try complaining to Netflix 😅
@@catseyes8377beta production house Indian Paisa India ka lga. Teri kyon jalan ho rhi hai😂 Ab Pakistan pre partition se pehle kisi story pe movie bnegi to aaj Jo area Pakistan me hai uska name to ayega hi.... Ab America wale agr Laden pe movie bnaye to usme Pakistanis Afghanistan ka name to ayega hi
SO true, I could not even stand the 1st episode. The dialogues are so slow and stupid. I would say laapata ladies is far better than this. and Tawaaif is sooo overused.
Agreed!!
Agreed.not a single scene matches Lahore
Vey well spoken and reviewed offcourse, but i think Tajdar's character was perfectly casted and performed as well, he played his part really really well.We missed you reviewing on his performance!!
i agree!! He definitely was good! ❤
You are absolutely correct in your review. Another thing I noticed was that these were dancing courtesans, but there was really not a single actress who knew or performed actual classical kathak. As an Indian, but who watches Pakistani shows all the time. Even I could tell that this is not the verse that is read by muslims when somebody dies. And as a punjabi, I can tell you that the murder that was made of the punjabi hindi mixture that the help of the house spoke is beyond pathetic.
Very good review, the series is a very good production as for as set designing, costumes, acting and partly music is concerned but fiction has its flaws as described in this clip. In set design also one can pinpoint the ideas taken from Bhansali Jee’s previous movies. Despite all these shortcomings it’s worth a watch and might bring people of two neighbouring countries closer.
Agreed!
Good analysis & comments on the flaws & weaknesses in the script. However please do note that all movies of SLB are over glamourised focused on sets,costumes, glamour and not on maintaining the historical truth of the story or the times it relates to, only 'Heera Mandi'. Devdas too was over glamorised whereas in the classic novel and the in Dilip Kumar Devdas 'Paru' and where she lived is simple and not affluent & glamorous. SLB movies /series are fictional and not based on facts. Please do bear this in mind. At least SLB series has opened up the subject of 'heera mandi' for discussion and debate!
I agree with you! Absolutely valid points. 🎉
OMG you hit all the right points!! story mein sach mein bilkul bhi time nahi spend kiya, I could barely keep my head up, I was falling asleep! Alamzeb ka character did not make any sense to me and end ke episodes mein toh I was watching it all on 2.0x speed! Like alamzeb ka character represents young love and passion along with the star crossed lovers trope, but na hi mujhe pyaar dikha and no passion; I didn't care about their love! Side characters mein Indresh Malik as Ustaad really did steal the show for me! I was way more into that character than anyone else haha
Great review! :)
Ustaad jee was love tbh !! ❤ Completely agreed!
Watching this from India. I get your points, quite fair. Especially lack of Punjabi flavour in a series set in Lahore and the weird first meet of Alamzeb and Tajdar. However, i hope you understand this is what SLB’s world is like. Movies like Bajirao Mastani or Padmaavat even though made on historical characters were beautiful visual and musical spectacles and a cinematic experience rather than knowledge imparting. Look at it that way and it’ll make sense.
You are absolutely right! I am a huge Fan of SLB and I understand completely where he comes from! He literally blew everyone away with production and costumes design and even the songs are growing on me ❤❤🎉🎉 loads of love from across the border ❤
As an Indian and a Bengali I was so offended by his Devdas 🤢 and I hated it for all the similar points you brought up.
If he is spending so much money it would be so easy to add some authentic details.
He has the opportunity to not pander to box office and really do something authentic and amazing through Netflix.
Would have elevated the experience so much more. Could have been a masterpiece but sadly was a lovely hollow series.
Most of my desi friends didn’t like it.
Laapata Ladies on the other hand😍😍😍 amazing
As somebody who actually read sharatchandra's devdas, I could not agree more.
Agreed 1000%❤❤
This is a master piece and a gripping web series but from an Indian perspective. Understand that you are concerned with detailing of some Urdu words that Bhansali should have taken care of but from an Indian perspective no body cares as not many people understands Urdu script. This is not made for Pakistani audience but you are obviously welcome to watch and comment.
Netflix is a global platform for everyone where series/films are made for 192 countries that have access to the platform. Series is indeed made breathtaking however when made on certain culture/traditions it should keep in mind its language and verbiage
If its not made for Pakistani audience. Then don't mention us in indian films.
Who mentioned you in Indian films?? Khwab dekhna band karo bhai/behen! We infact ignore you on purpose.
@@Southiedesi07 heeramandi at the start of the show says lahore. Base your indian shows in india. Heeramandi should have been based in lucknow india
@@Southiedesi07 Bhai kya aap inlogo ko reply de reheho ! Chodo na ignore Karo, yelog to hai hi madrasa chaap kaha samajh payenge ki ye Undivided India ka plot hai.
I really think these details should be focused. Although it is a movie where people don't notice these small things but those who belong to that history and culture can notice these very easily and obviously it doesn't give them 100% satisfaction of the movie. Really where we are spending so much details on sets, we should invest more money on focusing actual details and story. Thanks for sharing authentic info from authentic people who belong to that historical place and felt that cultural from their own senses. Love from India 🇮🇳 ❤😊
Lots of love from Pakistan ❤❤❤
Aditi rao's character in the show is muslim, so kuch "Kabul karne " ki baat hi nahi hai,secondly this show is based in undivided India so is talking about india's independence, the freedom struggle in Lahore was never isolated in Pakistani land it was connected with networks across undivided India,so the date is justified from india's point of view because it was to free India out of British ,not have a breakaway muslim land
The use of Arabic with context to the incident is wrong. SLB is known for his detailing and accurate craftsmanship. However, it was disappointing as a fan to see such errors.
@@sahalmanzoorsheikh I am not talking about that here
@@DDUTTA ye humari movie se alag hi pareshaan hain
😂😂😂😂😂
@@PankajSingh-jr3qdjo cheezain ghalat dekhai gai hain unay ghalat hi kahain gay. Urdu likhni nahi aati tu ghalat na likhain.
Also the psoter in urdu said "wedaish" instead of pardes. Even they were reciting qalma shahadat on death news. You are so right if itna detailing set amd dresses pe dia hai tou could have invested more on the authenticity or urdu language, written and pronounciation and muslim culture. Like day time malika jaam saying shaba khair. Seriously
Great catch of wedaish!! Absolutely!
I don’t agree with this review at all. It is just picking a magnum opus and trying to get some mileage out of this. The story is a strong, emotional one. Nitpicking seems to be your mission and you absolutely missed the story and the emotions.
Personal opinions are always appreciated. 😊😊
Ohhhhh... He is absolutely right. Bcz we are from Pakistan we know how we talk and what is the reality. We don't use the words Ap Janab etc etc. Useless and week Story line But Great acting.
Wait what there WAS a story ??? 😅😅
I’m not Pakistani nor speak Urdu but this series was total disappointment. It could have been hit series if some research would have done properly.
You are just amazed with costumes/jewelries/background but failed to notice the basis details and accuracy.
Story.. Really !
I don't think its a fair critic. Series says its a fiction and they do idea is for audience to get into Bhansali's fictional world, not expecting historical accuracies or chronology. I guess for pakistani folks, they are too close to the heeramandi as a place to be completely fair. Only issue I see is screenplay and that was never Bhansali's forte.
SLB should have aimed for accuracy and finesse, but it’s over the top, vulgar, and inaccurate.
Your review doesn't make sense here in India 🇳🇪 we watched the show for only and only entertainment. It's a grand show and it's a blockbuster. Save your reviews for your own drama (if someday any Pakistani series comes on Netflix!)...!
I appreciate where appreciation is due. Do watch my review for Chamkila and Maidaan! The visuals of the series were the only entertainment tbh. Writing was flawed in this series😊
@@sahalmanzoorsheikh doesn't matter if it's "Flawed", this show is for entertainment and it's added bonus to get visual treat along with the entertainment . It's a fully Paisa vasool show. Don't spread negative publicity with your unwanted reviews PLEASE
Good for you bhai! Enjoy karain aap😊
Then babuphukan make indian films and set them in india. You have no right to destroy our pk culture. Before 1947 it was hindustan. India came after 1947
@@catseyes8377 the plot of the story is before undecided India, Pakistan was not even existed by that time ! BTW you follow the same culture in your country like us, but the difference is we don't have the culture of marrying our own Cousins!
So truee, expected so much more from this series
Absolutely Agreed! Same here !!
Hi, very fair and valid comments. A lot of focus given to sets, costumes, glamour but not enough on historical facts. If making a movie on a historical true matter, it should be important to present the facts, the culture the language etc accurately. There is lack of detail on these as you mention. SLB should have done more research or taken contribution on these from a Pakistani person. Though it may seem u r critical as u r from Pakistan, but points u make i find them valid & fair though I am an indian. Good analysis!
Thank you for this appreciation! ❤️ It is not about India Pakistan. I am a huge SLB Fan and I expect nothing but sheer excellence from him! He has made the series so aesthetically pleasing and with these small research he could have made the PERFECT series!
As far as I rèmember reading, in the first few years of independance, pakistan too celebrated it on 15th August. Only later on, due to politics, it was changed in pakistan to 14th August.
That was never the case . It was 14th aug since day 1 . Idk what they teaching you
@sidsaraj4391 we have no brain washing system like you have in Islam/ Pakistan. I said I am not sure about what I am saying but if what I remember is correct then our system is very credible.
i also watched today ,accent is not accurate verily like basant palchmi word we Lahoris never used .then they are ready to show off any time anywhere but not true and this art and culture is all about dancing and manners not for *e* ,last episode is about azadi where it speaks about 15 august as independence day so let me clear that Pakistan celebrates on 14 august and Lahore is part of Pakistan .A positive side that they might watch reels and read about Lahore still make a series with awesome Malika jan,TAJ, Alam zeb ,Qudsiya and Saima like characters.
Agreed
Im an indian n i think this review is very very good...bang on...the focus was on looks', outfits and grandeur only no focus on story or history. Disappointing.
🎉🎉🎉 Thank you!
Nice review. I think Pakistani actors could have done justice with Heeramandi. Other than Fawad Khan and Mahira Khan, Heeramandi should have actresses like Sanam Saeed too. A Pakistani TV serial on Heeramandi would be better than this web series because you have good writers there. Off note, you resemble Harman Baweja, the way he looks now.
Thank you so much sir for the appreciation! Lots of love from across border brother!❤ I will still take the harman bawaja as a compliment 😂
Until 1970s 15th august was celebrated on both sides.
Are you for real??? The announcement in 1947 IS announcing separate dates. Please read before commenting
@@sidsaraj4391 what no?? It was the same date! Please read it from UK archives
@@sidsaraj4391 my grandpa was a freedom fighter and he 16 and lived in Lahore briefly. He had saved a copy of the newspaper. That’s why I know this. Go to the Library in UK and see it yourself
@@sidsaraj4391 tumhe to history ka h bhi malum nahi.. Pakistan to real history padhata hi nahi.. to kya janoge murkh.. if you don't believe India then go read UK archive or British documents which are available and documented.. where it's clearly mentioned Pakistan baad mai 14 August ko change kiya pehle 15 tha..lol
This is not a documentary - It's a movie/TV based on the true story but for entertainment there have been some modification.
Brilliant review sir New follower 💕💕💕
Means a lot ❤❤❤
Manisha was saying adab arz in a funny way in reply to Gunther adaab arz.not shab bakher.
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U ppl think dat only u guys having knowledge of urdu n talaffuz.... In fact we ppl also know urdu as muslim even ik how to write it... N in lucknow n hyderabad. It's common language
Excellent sahal....apne itni bareeki se itna sab bataya...meanss....wowww 😃...
Humare 8 hours bacha liye dekhne se ....👏👏👏gud
Hahaha shukriya!! ❤❤
Pata nahi kitne ghane khrab kiye houe honge Indian cinema dekhane me
Pakistan m toh Film industry nhi h ,koi Web series banani bhi hogi toh IMF se loan lena padega 😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂 good one!
Sahi pakde !!!👏🏻😊👍🏻😅
Acha ji...
Pakistani TV dramas are world popular dramas.. Not like indian dramas
@@younasjan7383 i agree... Old Pakistani dramas were really good, but all new Pakistani dramas are turning in garbage it seems (like Indian dramas)!! For example "Tere Bin", despite of super talented cast it's just a Disaster!
@@babuphukan8920 Have you watched Khai , Kaisi tere khudgharzi, etc etc. There are still some master pieces.
Come on it’s a film meant for entertainment!
I agree! It was a paisa vasool but had to spit out some jarring loopholes! 🎉
We are entertaining ourselves by the comical execution. 😅😅
Bahut अच्छा review। Bharat और पाकिस्तान मिलकर ये सीरीज बनाते तो अच्छा रहता। ये गलतियां हुई हैं वह नही होती।❤❤
Agreed bhai! ❤ pure love respect and brotherhood in both countries for each other! ❤🎉
@@sahalmanzoorsheikhit’s behan not bhai. Look at pic and name 😂
Haha sorry Behan! Typo hogaya 😂
वाघेला साम्राज्य को पराजित इन्हीं मुस्लिम आक्रमणकारियों ने किया था 😂
शायद इसीलिए आज भी तुम्हें मुस्लिम बहोत पसंद है 😂😂😂
Shukar hi Maira nhi thi warna fake acting se film floop ho jati
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@@sahalmanzoorsheikhmere ko lgta ek do pakistani actor or actress ko lete to thhodi ancent real aa jata imran Abbas fawad khan h feroz sajjal Ali h Mahira khan h auntiyon se acting krwadi Punjabi language ki aesi tesi krdi body ko screen se chatna thha kya 250 crore lgaye h 10 15 crore or lga dete itne me pakistani actor or actress aa jate
Agreeed! 🎉🎉
@@Skjiseeker8483 aapke log plastic ke thali pe cooking gas bhar kar gubbare ke jaise lekar jarehe hai aur aap sochte ho ki 10-15 crore pe aapke actors ko SLB cast karte .....😂😂😂😂😂
Jo v ho lekin sach ye hai ki Mahira Khan, Sanam Saeed and Fawad Khan we love them
@@babuphukan8920 🤪🤪🤪
Tum bas zabardasti kamiyaan nikal rhe ho "detailing" ki idk what you're issue is bcz pakistani series have wayyy more stupid detailing issues . Although i do agree ki series wasn't as great as expected but not bcz of detailing issue but bcz of the story telling way
A book published in 2004 is shown in pre partition time? Use of the language that all characters and settings demand is incorrect. The written language is a mere scribble on newspaper. These are few “details” that definitely are jarring. Yes, script was weak although they had an extremely strong plot at hand. I am a die heart Fan of SLB and we expect nothing but brilliance and excellence from him. 🫶🫶🫶
@@sahalmanzoorsheikhoh the book is the source of your truth??😂.
How funny you are 😂😂
Then you must watch the Pakistani serial. far better than Heeramandi or social issues par Jo pakisthani industry k serials hai vo hamare yaha kabhi bnaa bhi nahi sakte ... You must watch Dobara, Khani , zindagi Gulzar hai and many more
@GlobalLensFacts I've watched a few then that why i talked about them having "stupid" mistakes but unlike you guys we don't point those things or hate on them just bcz. Pakistani serial mai toh same scene mai hairstyle and dress change ho jata h baat krte krte 😂 where's the detailing there?
@@GlobalLensFacts tumlog to apni Cousins se shaadi karte ho aur usi PE serial banate ho.... Ex "HUMSAFAR" jispe Fawad Khan apni Bua ki beti Mahira Khan se (cousin sister) shaadi karti hai. Chi chi apni Bhejen Bhai Tak ko nehi chodte tum log aur chale hum pe ungli uthane !
Why are all Pakistanis so disturbed with this movie... Watch the movie and enjoy it... And don't deny your history
It's our history both India and Pakistan so it should be shown properly
It wasn't Pakistan it was British India in 1940s
Are bhai tum to dhoti khol rahe ho 😂 but aap ki baato se mai agree karta hu kyu k mai bhi jo aap keh rahe hain wahi baate mere zahen bhi khatak rahi thi, ek incident 😂bahot hi ajeeb lagta hai jab din me bhi vo , shabb Khair" keh te Hain it's look very awkward 😂 or bahot saari khamiya hai jo unho ne ki lekin aap ne acchi tarha se saamne rakha. Mai India se hu or Urdu zaban ki Jaye paidaish Hindustan hai or kaafi log Urdu zaban se wa basta hain maahir hain 😂 pata nhi ye log kaise itni badi galtiyaan kr rhe hain
sahal bhai jab lajo ki death hoti hai tu malika jan bhi pehla kalma 3 martaba parthi hain. matlab manisha bhi musalaman ho gayi hain alhamdulillah.
😂😂😂😂😂 yess bhaii
Kuch bhi..it was her character...tum logo ko bass religion failane ki rehti hai har jagah
Thanks k ap ny MERI theran flag wala point raise keya. Flag Dekh k saaf pata Chala k kaisy history KO destroy kerny ki try ki gae hy. Even in one dialogue they mentioned ghandi g n Nehru but not qaid e Azam n other Muslim league leaders. Yh 2 situation Dekh k series NY apna Sara image hee tabhaa Ker diyia. From my side it 2,/5*
Agreed! Great points!
It's story based pre-independent India so and jinha is not freedom fighter hi is only Muslim leader who never went to jail . And if you don't know the flag of India are hosted by javaharalal neharu on 13 dec 1929 Bank of ravi river at lahor so logically showcasing Indian flag was correct
@@abhishekkerulkar2245inke idhar kuch alag history pdhai jati hai from rest of the world
Honesty we Pakistanis are having a blast talking about this series. For us this has become a comedy show. 😅😅😅😅
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Tum hass hi skte ho, because tumse bnai Jani to hai nahi...haste raho
Hey just enjoy the series we are not making marvel movies😂
I m from India. And I have been to heera Mandi.. It was nothing like the heera mandi. Zero geography idea... It was so fake.
😂lol
Correct,only larger than life grandeur,bold obscene picturisation....no good message...just vulgarity
In india too people speak n know good urdu and yessss this is insulting urdu
Most people don't have the eye for details like you,they get carried away by the glitter,glitz n glamourof SLB
I haven’t watched it and thanks to reviews don’t plan to waster 8 hrs. I was turned off when I saw clips of Indian flag and 15th august in Lahore 1947, plus mentions of Nehru and Gandhi but not Jinnah by Lahori Muslim people. So biased and so stupid
Tumlog dekho ya nadekho Hume Ghanta farak nehi padta ! Banane ka dum hai to banake dekao IMF se bhikh leke .... Lol 😂😂😂😂😂
Story set in 1942, why would it have any flag other than an Indian flag?
Also, Jinnah was a Muslim leader, not freedom fighter. He never went to jail so in the context of that dialogue it did not make sense to talk about Jinnah. They only talked about Gandhi and Nehru who had actually been to prison for many years.
@@vishalmehta9729 you are Absolutely correct 💯
They got the education from Madrasa !!!🤭🤭🤭
Soory don't agree story is full of suspence and thrill and emotions 🙏
Music was just below average I mean u still not forgot devdas dola ry, hara rang, kayee chairr, n Many others sanjhy movies songs. No Cathy lyrics no Cathy music n hook steps. Sakal ban n talismi bahaien were good.
Yes absolutely! Sakal ban was still better, but other were forgettable tracks
Waise urdu apki language to hai nahi ye to Indian originate language hai..waise tum loge to bana nahi sakte 😂😂😂😂
Urdu language is derived and originated from Arabic and Persian. But definitely agreed on the lack of resources on making good movie/series. We are way behind on infrastructure and resources. There is a lot to cover. I will highly recommend you to see “Maula Jutt” from Pakistan. It is a great leap by Pakistan
In terms of Film-Making.
@@sahalmanzoorsheikhagle ko rupya kmane h reality or emotions gye tel lene abhi tak to achhi chal rhi h
Urdu is still xo aoderwd as a Hi duatan language world wide it has its roots from Persia secondly it was born in Meerut .@@sahalmanzoorsheikh
Yes correct
Really go and read Urdu language in detail you find it is originate in India Lucknow.@@sahalmanzoorsheikh
Read the Indian Independence act then you will know why 15 August ohk
India drama ma script par koi kam nahi hota wo clothes makeup hi dikhata hai ya drama long-term effects nahi data
hum ic topic py bani movies ko q itna famous kr rhy?
please think once
I agree with most of your objections....yesss a granny like farida jalal could have easily inculcated family values n etiquette in her highly educated grandson,instead of sending him to those tawaifs😂😂😂😂😂
But Ms Fareeda is sooo cute !!! I love her and honestly its so good to see her! ❤
Tawaif wasn't a bad thing during those days. Many Tawaifs were great artists.
Ya horrible acting of sharmin
Biboo jan ki kia motivation factor tha k wo freedom fighter ban gae sab sy phaly??? Kuch nhe bataya. Malikajaan k rape k baad fateeda n baqi sab sympathy ki wajha sy sab badal gaye... Lkn phr bhe tawaif Ka freedom fighter ban jaany ki motivation factor was missing. Yes u r right fawad imran n mahira will do justice to their character too.
Agreed to this point as well! Valid point sir
They say it in the series. That they don't want to be servants and slaves of anyone and the land does not betray. That's y bibbojaan even gave her earnings for the cause
I think manisha mam said shabakher sarcastically kyunki pehle usne unhe adabaz kha tha toh unhone bhi adabaz kha tha toh isliye she said shabakher to make fun of him
Abey Pakistaniyo kitni achi series hai....sab kuch visually kitna acha hai....tumlog kyu pareshaan ho rahe ho
Yeh baat abey k beghair bhi likh saktay waisey dear bhai from India. Pareshan nai, highlighting the issues of language “Urdu” which is used.
@@sahalmanzoorsheikh arey koi US wala india ki story pe film banayega toh kya pure hindi accent daalega kya??? humlog yahan hindi bolte hain..hindi samjhte hain...we need the dialogues which we could understand....jisko urdu , tamil, telugu, punjabi me dekhna hai wo apne language me dub karwa le...
Incorrect. Any series or film made for the language is made with correct grammar and pronunciation. Tell me something, If it was supposed to be hindi bhai then why is even urdu attempted? They could have used proper hindi? Why was heeramandi referred? Any fictional place like used in Gangubai could have been used?
A film made in the respective language “tamil, Telugu” also looks at the correct usage of words. As per your thought process A film based on Telugu origin can be written in gujrati? 😂
@@sahalmanzoorsheikh why so much of brainstorming?? Bollywood 90% audience are indians... when we make a bollywood movie which tells the story of some reigional parts of india where Hindi is not their first language...still those movies are highly influenced by hindi accent...same here in Lahore of british indian depiction, SLB kept urdu and punjabi in the shadow of Hindi language... because we have to watch and understand....ye baat tumlog samjh paate toh Pakistani film industry aaj barbaad nahin hoti...i guess pakistani film industry top 100 movie industries in the world me bhi nahin aati...
@@sahalmanzoorsheikh This is a web series dedicated to entertainment and 60-70% touch of original locality...it's not the documentary of Heeramandi where everything should be perfectly matched with reality..
Well said. I also felt the love story of alam was boring, also i was not able to digest the last moment patriotic sentiments of all leads. Fardeen khan had zero screen presence and I don’t understand how such weak role can be considered as come back. Infact Tajdar father had much bigger role compared to Fardeen. Infact i liked phato satto saima and the guy who played the dallal/ agent/ khabri of entire Hiramandi.
Agreed! 🎉🎉
Maine to dekha hi nahi 😂😂
It was burgers heera mandi..gen ze heera mandi😅
It's a master piece
شکر ھے اردو کا اخبار الٹا نہیں پکڑا تھا۔۔۔جب خدا اور خدائی کو کھدا اور کھدائی کہتی ھے تو کانوں میں جیسے سیسہ ڈالا ھو۔۔واقعی اردی کی بری حالت کی ھے
😂😂😂 Agreed!!
All Pakistani enjoy🎉🇵🇰🎈 full Support Heeramandi 😂
Saw all the 8 episodes of Heeramandi in 1 go. It was necessary because I feared if I watched it in bits, I might lose some link.
I write these few lines immediately after watching the series.
Bhansali gave too much importance to the look / get up. The soul is missing. Full marks to the Set Designer, though in creating an ambience of Shahi Mohalla (Heera Mandi).. Dargah designed like a Gurdwara.. very Punjabi architecture.. and all.
I am afraid, Bhansali went 2 centuries back, mentally.. He got into "Mah-laqa Chanda Bai".. fast forward by 1 century+ to "Malkajaan", "Gowhar jaan".. and came close to the 1930s - 1940s. He kept the timeliness fluid. That was his undoing. From Buggies to Convertibles.. Timeline got messed up.
Manisha Koirala as "Malkajaan" (not Mallika Jaan) shines thru-out.
Alamzeb (Sehgal) couldn't act., and her voice culture was masculine and jarring. Someone should have dubbed for her !
Sonakshi Sinha, Aditi Rao Hydari, Taha Shah, Adhyayan Suman, Fardeen Khan, Shekhar Suman.. all performed well.
The character of Koch-waan Iqbal and Saima were unnecessary and a drag. The 2 maids (Satto - Phatto) were just about ok.
Music is forced. A Rasoolan Bai thumri "Phool Gendwa na maro" didn't resonate. Nor did the classic "Rang Sari Gulabi Chunariya Rey". There were some classics played in the background, yet failed to register on the mind. Not 1 original Ghazal.. a song .. that one took away...hummed. Bhansali should have left the Music to a proper Music Director.
That is a well thought of review Sir! I resonate with most of your thoughts. Well written!
The purpose was to show that they were not bad ladies and were made nautch girls after colonisation. Saima story is also important as it gives a glimpse of how servants lived or went through . .overall even if glamorousised..it did a good job in showing the world who they were and they should be given honour as they helped in revolution
Indians nahi match kar payay pakistan k aura ko! Doob gaya bhansali
We expect nothing but excellence from this great. It was a below par series.
Bilkul waise hi hai us time to ek hi tha lekin ab kafi change ho gaya hai ..lekin Jo bhi ho Pakistan se to ban nhi payegi ..Imf se karza lekar bahle hi bana le🤔🤪🤪
Bat sirf itni hai ki tum jealous ho or kuch nhi . Yhi series pakistani bnate to tum log rag alapte ki ye mast series pakistan ne bnayi h 😅😅😅😅😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Shabba kher means u r not invited in evening program of bebbojaans mujra...bcoz they want to record it .... But every observation is on point
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Sahal, first independence in Pakistan was observed on 15th August. Even a stamp was issued on this. It was brought to 14th August later. Please check.
This is incorrect. I am not sure where did you get this information. The independence was observed on 14th August 1947.
@@sahalmanzoorsheikh I have the photo of the stamp but can not upload here
@@sahalmanzoorsheikh paksitan toh bahut hi confused hai appni history ko lai ke...pakistan ko khud nahi pata ki unka independence 14 aug hai ja 15 aug...vese vi jinnah gov. general bana tha
@@sahalmanzoorsheikhAre you agree with your review? But you are incorrect in saying that 14th of us was always considered to be. The independence named in pakistan for the first few years, fifteenth august, was the common day for both countries😊
Ye Series me kuch dumm nahi thi
Aapke actors to Maola Jatt jaisi movie mein Punjabi bhi theek se nahi bol rahi thi, aur aapko Hindi bolne vaala Urdu mein kya likh rahe hain iski fikr horahi hai? This is called nit picking.
Please enlighten me with one example from Maula Jutt where Punjabi is being incorrectly used or said?
@@sahalmanzoorsheikh nice to know that you only scrutinize Indian movies. Mahira Khan’s Punjabi accent was cringe. Also while we are on this subject, this new OST which is a super hit these days… Tera mera hai pyaar amar… isn’t that completely Hindi? When did Pakistan start using Hindi words like “amar” and “jeevan”?
So please think before you’re trying to roast legends like SLB.
Also you were wondering how they all became revolutionaries? The woman who had young daughters was raped by 20 English men. Not reason enough for you?
@@amberh5849 You are simply diverting from my Question here. Punjabi dialect being Cringe and making mistakes in a language and culture are two different things. There was no misinterpretation of the language throughout the film.
@@sahalmanzoorsheikh I am not diverting at all. I’m stating the fact that you care about what the actress is writing in a book that wasn’t even the point of focus, yet you are okay with the completely botched up Punjabi accent in a Pakistani movie?
Small detail is ok . No one is perfect
Agreed with you!
Bilkul bekar movie
Every Pakistani needs to conplain to netflix about heeramandi. Its rascist portrayal of pakistan. Heeramandi series should be banned
Grow up and maybe get a history lesson or two. They were not showing Pakistan, they were showing pre partition India. You can try complaining to Netflix 😅
😂😂😂 Abee tumlog ke pass dimag nahi hota ky isme racist wali kon si baat ha
We dond need your support
But we do need love and respect for humanity to prosper 😊
@@sahalmanzoorsheikhLook whonsi talking about humanity ???? You Pakistanis should be the last person on this planet to preach about humanity
Then stop making films about my country pk. Make films set in india
@@catseyes8377 what is pk???this movie is about British Indian city lahore..don't cry
@@catseyes8377beta production house Indian
Paisa India ka lga.
Teri kyon jalan ho rhi hai😂
Ab Pakistan pre partition se pehle kisi story pe movie bnegi to aaj Jo area Pakistan me hai uska name to ayega hi....
Ab America wale agr Laden pe movie bnaye to usme Pakistanis Afghanistan ka name to ayega hi