Thanks for watching everyone! Hope you enjoyed this departure from the ships we usually cover. Let me know if you want me to cover other oddball ships!
A good video! Sorry I was late despite the notification but phone calls happen! And yes, I would like to see more of these unusual ships! The Insect class are another class that would be interesting!
@@phil4483 Yes he did indeed say that. He was inspired by the arrest of one of the American armies/mobs which invaded Canada in the wake of the ‘Murcan Civil Brawl. It got lost, ran out of Big Macs - or KFC, whatever - and was escorted, starving and demoralised, into captivity by a single Canadian mounted policeman. True story - ration details excepted. The American army wasn’t very good until early 1945. Best wishes
LOL, we weren't very good against Canada, that's for sure. Don't take my comment as anti British, I am far from it. But Bismarck did say that, mainly due to the small size of the British Army until WWI, when Britain was the first major power to recognize it would be a long war, and for the first time developed an Army to match their Navy, size wise.@@robertcottam8824
Thunderchild seems to have been based on HMS Polyphemus, a torpedo-ram. It proved to be a dead-end development. I think that DRachinifel (who else?) has done a presentation on this.
The title of your channel is Important History! These ships were an important component of the strategic initiatives being planned and executed by the RN to support the Western Front! This was an excellent presentation and deserves a wide audience!
Interesting video! I like your favorite photo, too. It now rivals my other favorite, that of _HMS Hood,_ an R Class, and the _Admiral Graf Spee_ at the 1937 Fleet Review.
Good luck, brother! Had no idea that an 18 inch gun was ever deployed on an allied ship, ever. Well done narration, as well. First time watcher. Subscribed.
My first job involved working with a 76 Yr old man called Bert... He had been an Orlikan gunner on different ships for the merchant navy for the entire WW2... He described a story where his convoy had moored up in the Mediterranean awaiting for orders ... Apparently his watch were below decks sleeping, when the ship lurched up, and a huge explosion sent them all out of their bunks etc. Thinking that they had been bombed or torpedoed, they all began making their way to the top deck...On reaching the deck, there was no panic,no damage,no nothing ... But....What had happened was a Monitor Ship had moved in alongside and begun firing her guns... Apparently they watched from his deck as said ship fired into a distant coastal town...This was the first shots fired in the invasion of scicily....
Awesome video, monitors need more attention. My fav photos are usually of my favorite ships, Warspite, Renown, and KGV class which look just nasty with those quad turrets. Best of luck to you young man.
Thank you for an extremely interesting history of the Royal Navy's Monitor Class. I hope in your next video you'll seek out HMS Roberts and what happened to her after being launched in 1941. Did she see action?. I last saw her at Devonport in 1962 HMS Roberts was a Royal Navy Roberts-class monitor of the Second World War. She was the second monitor to be named after Field Marshal Frederick Roberts, (Wiki) ... I'm an ex-regular RN QA 1st Class and I have crewed on 4.5" Twin AA Mark 6 ** on HMS Daring, Agincourt and Londonderry - it was such a beautiful gun and I was, after qualifying at HMS Excellent, I was fortunate to be a turret instructor at HMS Cambridge at Devonport for 2 years.
I think 18 " was the largest callable the Royal Navy had. One of these guns still survives but on a railway mount and was used on a test range . II last saw it on lone to a Belgium museum I think.
The monitors HMS Severn and HMS Mersey had an interesting WW1 in East Africa, sinking the Königsberg in the Rufiji River with the assistance of a spotter aircraft for, if I remember correctly, the first time in a naval engagement.
Thank you sir! Next video on monitors will probably be Robert’s. However, videos are planned 4 weeks or so in advance. Just know that it probably won’t be for a month or more :)
Fun fact, this 18 inch gun fired the heaviest shells ever fired from a ship at sea, weighing in at 3,320 lbs (1,506 kg). Yamato's 18.1inch shells weighed in at 3,219 lbs. (1,460 kg) for APC, and 2,998 lbs. (1,360 kg) for other rounds. Though these monitor guns only went at, well, a rather lazy 2,270 fps (683 mps), though that could be ramped up to 2,420 fps (738 mps) with super chargers, which is thoroughly in the realm of battleship muzzle velocities. In comparison Yamato's shells left the barrels at 2,559 fps (780 mps) for APC, and 2,641 fps (805 mps) for other rounds. Also, the bursting charges of the British shells were chonky, at 119 lbs. (54.0 kg) for APC, and a comical 243 lbs. (110.2 kg) for CPC, though I can't find data on how massive the HE shell would be, sadly. In comparison, Yamato's shells had 74.6 lbs. (33.85 kg) for APC, and 136 lbs. (61.7 kg) for HE.
Churchill was the Allied king of crackpot ideas. During WWII he proposed something similar by removing the superfring 15" turrets of the R class, "plastering" the with more armor and flak, and sending them into the Baltic. This idea, fortunately for the crews of the battleships, was nipped immediately.
There was one of this class in the South African navy before the 2nd WW it was named HMSAS Erebus it 15 inch guns 2 4inch guns 4 anti aircraft and 4 machine guns
Very interesting video regarding the monitors! I don't dare to think how much the monitor was rocking every times it was shooting those massive rounds. For your info also Italy had a number of monitors particularly defending Venice and around the coast of Dalmatia, initially against the Austro-Hungarian Empire and later against Tito's partisans but those vessels were too obsolete
The Admiralty had proposed to name its monitors in honour of US generals, presumably in a not very subtle attmept to compromise Uncle Sam when they were busy shelling German positions. Needless to say that was not a popular idea with the Americans and did not progress.
Maybe (if you haven't already), make a closer documentary about the background of the special Courageous class battlecruisers. There were two pieces, the other as known by name, HMS Furios. (And as is known, they were later converted into aircraft carriers). Especially dedicated in the First World War to attack Germany from the Baltic Sea. For bombardment against the German coast, as a form of very large, strong monitors. Anyway, you always show interesting and relevant documentaries.
I do have a half an hour long video on the revival of British battlecruisers, about half of it focuses on the large light cruisers, Courageous, Glorious, and Furious. Here's a link: th-cam.com/video/HNzouJPznZM/w-d-xo.html
When Admiral Fisher wanted to create Glorious, Furious, and Courageous Parliament did not want allocate anymore funds for capital ship construction and to get around this he called them large light cruisers. For the purposes of the video I used this description because it’s unique and interesting however battlecruiser is another term commonly used to describe these vessels. John Roberts, RA Burt, and Dr. Norman Friedman all have called them large light cruisers in their books, which is another reason why I felt it appropriate to use the name.
@@Tugela60 Well because ships are expensive to maintain for one, and secondly they didn't see a need for so many niche vessels. Manpower was another contributing factor, they simply didn't have the men to crew these vessels even to maintain them during the interwar period.
I never knew the Brits would name one of these monitors after the Prince of Savoy, as the warships I knew bearing that name are a famous German heavy cruiser and a somewhat forgettable, though more fittingly placed, Italian light cruiser, both of World War II. I wonder how many ships and nations would name Prince Eugene in their warships.
Prince Eugene was a important field marshal of the Holy Roman Empire during the War of the Spanish Succession and worked with the Duke of Marlborough in many a battle so it makes sense the British would have a positive view of him.
That was the primary role for monitors but Roberts was additionally used as an anti aircraft platform at Alexandria when not being deployed to support the landings in North Africa then, Sicily, Salerno, torch and Neptune.
They say about aircraft - "if it looks right, it will probably fly right" ... Well these ships look DISGUSTING ... I bet they were horrors to serve on !!
The RN's 18"/39 guns were poor and not comparable to Japanese WW2 18"/46. The USN studied best heavy naval guns using rate of fire, accuracy, weight and types of shell and range. Top 3 were (in ascending order) RN 15"/42 (mk1), German 15"/52 (SK C34) and USN 16"/50 (mk7). They did not score the IJN 18"/46 (type 94) as highly.
Ironic that we had a Prince Eugene, and in WW2 the Kriegsmarine had the Prinz Eugen too. (Only German capital ship to survive the war I believe). Is there a connection?
Prinz Eugen was a heavy cruiser, not considered a capital ship. She did survive and was ultimately sunk in USN service as a target during the postwar nuclear tests.
2:20 The idea that the baltic fleet could Support a landing was Silly , im pretty sure fischer knew that aswell and was never the plan for the Baltic fleet . the main Goal of the Baltic fleet was to completely cut off Germany from trade , Mainly Sweden and use the sheer size of the royal navy to aggressively Box in the Smaller Kreigsmarine instead of the passive Atlantic blockade. its a real shame as the whole Reason for comming up with this plan was to avoid a "Messy Drawn out land battle" witch he believed was not britians way of fighting a war and predicted it. its so sad that fischer was a man too clever and Too Agrivating for his time. Forcing him to watch his country Die on the Path he Fought to Avoid.
Thanks for watching everyone! Hope you enjoyed this departure from the ships we usually cover. Let me know if you want me to cover other oddball ships!
A good video! Sorry I was late despite the notification but phone calls happen!
And yes, I would like to see more of these unusual ships!
The Insect class are another class that would be interesting!
...ANY ''oddball'' ships? 🤔
🤣 that'd be quite the list.
naval history is fascinating.
Happy to have a whole series on Monitors, fascinating ships..
Monitors are extremely fascinating thank you for bringing this to light, i wish more people would talk about them
Reporter to Chancellor Bismarck: What will you do if the British Army lands in Pomerania?" Bismarck: "I shall send a policeman to arrest them".
@@phil4483
Yes he did indeed say that.
He was inspired by the arrest of one of the American armies/mobs which invaded Canada in the wake of the ‘Murcan Civil Brawl. It got lost, ran out of Big Macs - or KFC, whatever - and was escorted, starving and demoralised, into captivity by a single Canadian mounted policeman.
True story - ration details excepted. The American army wasn’t very good until early 1945.
Best wishes
LOL, we weren't very good against Canada, that's for sure. Don't take my comment as anti British, I am far from it. But Bismarck did say that, mainly due to the small size of the British Army until WWI, when Britain was the first major power to recognize it would be a long war, and for the first time developed an Army to match their Navy, size wise.@@robertcottam8824
I think we have found the class that best fits the fictional HMS Thunderchild, the monitor that brought down one of the martian tripods.
Thunderchild seems to have been based on HMS Polyphemus, a torpedo-ram. It proved to be a dead-end development. I think that DRachinifel (who else?) has done a presentation on this.
@@alanharper2734 Drachinifel did a video about HMS Thunderchild after I bugged him about it for like a year and half. 🤣
The title of your channel is Important History! These ships were an important component of the strategic initiatives being planned and executed by the RN to support the Western Front! This was an excellent presentation and deserves a wide audience!
I agree,a very much forgotten about class of ship in both wars
Very well done.
Thanks.
Semper Fi...
HMS Saracens, by Douglas Reeman. Great book.
Yes. I read that in the late '60's. Reeman wrote a lot of good novels.
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Douglas Reeman
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Reeman
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I own a copy of that plus about 20 more of his books. He also wrote under the pseudonym Alexander Kent. I own most of his novels as well. Great books!
@@RossEphgrave Read all the Bolitho series written by Kent. Has to be my favourite book series of all time
Interesting video! I like your favorite photo, too. It now rivals my other favorite, that of _HMS Hood,_ an R Class, and the _Admiral Graf Spee_ at the 1937 Fleet Review.
Good luck, brother! Had no idea that an 18 inch gun was ever deployed on an allied ship, ever. Well done narration, as well. First time watcher. Subscribed.
My first job involved working with a 76 Yr old man called Bert...
He had been an Orlikan gunner on different ships for the merchant navy for the entire WW2...
He described a story where his convoy had moored up in the Mediterranean awaiting for orders ...
Apparently his watch were below decks sleeping, when the ship lurched up, and a huge explosion sent them all out of their bunks etc. Thinking that they had been bombed or torpedoed, they all began making their way to the top deck...On reaching the deck, there was no panic,no damage,no nothing ...
But....What had happened was a Monitor Ship had moved in alongside and begun firing her guns...
Apparently they watched from his deck as said ship fired into a distant coastal town...This was the first shots fired in the invasion of scicily....
Awesome video, monitors need more attention. My fav photos are usually of my favorite ships, Warspite, Renown, and KGV class which look just nasty with those quad turrets. Best of luck to you young man.
For me too
Thank you for an extremely interesting history of the Royal Navy's Monitor Class. I hope in your next video you'll seek out HMS Roberts and what happened to her after being launched in 1941. Did she see action?. I last saw her at Devonport in 1962 HMS Roberts was a Royal Navy Roberts-class monitor of the Second World War. She was the second monitor to be named after Field Marshal Frederick Roberts, (Wiki) ... I'm an ex-regular RN QA 1st Class and I have crewed on 4.5" Twin AA Mark 6 ** on HMS Daring, Agincourt and Londonderry - it was such a beautiful gun and I was, after qualifying at HMS Excellent, I was fortunate to be a turret instructor at HMS Cambridge at Devonport for 2 years.
I have never heard of these. Thank you very much, and gooood Luck!
I think 18 " was the largest callable the Royal Navy had. One of these guns still survives but on a railway mount and was used on a test range . II last saw it on lone to a Belgium museum I think.
thx much for another upload
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Very good, thank you
Very good, quality.😊
Excellent presentation - you've got the internship nailed already.
Put one big turret on a tiny ship… it can hit you but you can’t hit it. Brilliant.
An excellent video. Good lunk on the internship
Very interesting and informative. I didn't know a ship had the same name as me!
I always thoughts these ships were an interesting concept.
11:43 I don't think they would have kept the powder bags for the 18" gun on the stern in the Foc'sle at the very front of the ship.
The monitors HMS Severn and HMS Mersey had an interesting WW1 in East Africa, sinking the Königsberg in the Rufiji River with the assistance of a spotter aircraft for, if I remember correctly, the first time in a naval engagement.
Good luck with your internship! What about a video of HMS Roberts? The last RN ship with 15 inch guns.
Thank you sir! Next video on monitors will probably be Robert’s. However, videos are planned 4 weeks or so in advance. Just know that it probably won’t be for a month or more :)
Cheers for a fascinating video on a class of ships i know little about. Good luck.👍
Thank you for the video. Good luck on your internship :)
Super odd - I just started reading about the Lord Clive Class. I love that they're named after Army officers.
Good luck and God bless in your internship young man. You give very enjoyable and informative presentations.
Fun fact, this 18 inch gun fired the heaviest shells ever fired from a ship at sea, weighing in at 3,320 lbs (1,506 kg). Yamato's 18.1inch shells weighed in at 3,219 lbs. (1,460 kg) for APC, and 2,998 lbs. (1,360 kg) for other rounds. Though these monitor guns only went at, well, a rather lazy 2,270 fps (683 mps), though that could be ramped up to 2,420 fps (738 mps) with super chargers, which is thoroughly in the realm of battleship muzzle velocities. In comparison Yamato's shells left the barrels at 2,559 fps (780 mps) for APC, and 2,641 fps (805 mps) for other rounds. Also, the bursting charges of the British shells were chonky, at 119 lbs. (54.0 kg) for APC, and a comical 243 lbs. (110.2 kg) for CPC, though I can't find data on how massive the HE shell would be, sadly. In comparison, Yamato's shells had 74.6 lbs. (33.85 kg) for APC, and 136 lbs. (61.7 kg) for HE.
Fascinating.
Churchill was the Allied king of crackpot ideas. During WWII he proposed something similar by removing the superfring 15" turrets of the R class, "plastering" the with more armor and flak, and sending them into the Baltic. This idea, fortunately for the crews of the battleships, was nipped immediately.
If I remember correctly one of these Monitors was used during WW2 to help take the port of Antwerp.
Looks like a discard from Ultimate Admirals game...
Must have been fun perched over the top of the funnel.
Waiting for a video about USS Intern. ;)
Good luck!
Good luck and thanks
My favourite RN pic is the one taken from HMS Conqueror's periscope
There was one of this class in the South African navy before the 2nd WW it was named HMSAS Erebus it 15 inch guns 2 4inch guns 4 anti aircraft and 4 machine guns
My Great Grandfather served aboard the Lord Clive class monitor H.M.S. Sir John Moore, I believe his rank/job title was Cooper
Very interesting video regarding the monitors! I don't dare to think how much the monitor was rocking every times it was shooting those massive rounds. For your info also Italy had a number of monitors particularly defending Venice and around the coast of Dalmatia, initially against the Austro-Hungarian Empire and later against Tito's partisans but those vessels were too obsolete
The Admiralty had proposed to name its monitors in honour of US generals, presumably in a not very subtle attmept to compromise Uncle Sam when they were busy shelling German positions. Needless to say that was not a popular idea with the Americans and did not progress.
Yes! The 14 inch monitors were going to be named for US generals and obviously the United States government wasn’t too happy about that!
They would have liked it even less if they had been named after Confederate generals… 😂
@@timonsolus Robert E Lee was a contender.
Maybe (if you haven't already), make a closer documentary about the background of the special Courageous class battlecruisers. There were two pieces, the other as known by name, HMS Furios. (And as is known, they were later converted into aircraft carriers).
Especially dedicated in the First World War to attack Germany from the Baltic Sea. For bombardment against the German coast, as a form of very large, strong monitors.
Anyway, you always show interesting and relevant documentaries.
I do have a half an hour long video on the revival of British battlecruisers, about half of it focuses on the large light cruisers, Courageous, Glorious, and Furious. Here's a link: th-cam.com/video/HNzouJPznZM/w-d-xo.html
Any Flower Class in Rough Weather!!
Thank you for making it at least 15 minutes long.
Neat.
HMS Furious wasn't a lirge light cruiser. She was a battlecruiser and was experimental in on having two big guns, both 18" .
When Admiral Fisher wanted to create Glorious, Furious, and Courageous Parliament did not want allocate anymore funds for capital ship construction and to get around this he called them large light cruisers. For the purposes of the video I used this description because it’s unique and interesting however battlecruiser is another term commonly used to describe these vessels. John Roberts, RA Burt, and Dr. Norman Friedman all have called them large light cruisers in their books, which is another reason why I felt it appropriate to use the name.
Looks like a discard from Ultimate Admiral....
Is the ship still in service?
No, she was scrapped in the 1920s, some of the other monitors did serve in World War Two! I’ll get to them at some point later down the line.
@ImportantHistory What did they do that for? Russia still has ships serving which are over a hundred years old.
@@Tugela60 Well because ships are expensive to maintain for one, and secondly they didn't see a need for so many niche vessels. Manpower was another contributing factor, they simply didn't have the men to crew these vessels even to maintain them during the interwar period.
A t3:15 Charles Schwab?
Yep!
Good luck with your internship!
The RN had some pretty capable 15” gun monitors during WWII.
Funny I laughed my head off!
Good luck with what internship?
No General Disorder?
Should have called it Mary Rose!
I never knew the Brits would name one of these monitors after the Prince of Savoy, as the warships I knew bearing that name are a famous German heavy cruiser and a somewhat forgettable, though more fittingly placed, Italian light cruiser, both of World War II. I wonder how many ships and nations would name Prince Eugene in their warships.
Prince Eugene was a important field marshal of the Holy Roman Empire during the War of the Spanish Succession and worked with the Duke of Marlborough in many a battle so it makes sense the British would have a positive view of him.
Good luck and good wishes on your internship, brother, I know how that is.
How big do you want your gun?
Yes.
A much cheaper option than building an entire battleship just to do shore bombardment or other supporting roles with….too bad nobody realized this.
That was the primary role for monitors but Roberts was additionally used as an anti aircraft platform at Alexandria when not being deployed to support the landings in North Africa then, Sicily, Salerno, torch and Neptune.
They say about aircraft - "if it looks right, it will probably fly right" ... Well these ships look DISGUSTING ... I bet they were horrors to serve on !!
Good luck young man Where are you interning for?
It’s an accounting internship, I’m mostly doing tax work at the moment, but will also work on assurance projects as well.
The RN's 18"/39 guns were poor and not comparable to Japanese WW2 18"/46. The USN studied best heavy naval guns using rate of fire, accuracy, weight and types of shell and range. Top 3 were (in ascending order) RN 15"/42 (mk1), German 15"/52 (SK C34) and USN 16"/50 (mk7). They did not score the IJN 18"/46 (type 94) as highly.
Good luck with your interned ship.
Ha! i resemble that remark
Bulges look kinda vulnerable to near misses. Missed by, no hit in the bulge.
W9W this guy is madly in love with his own voice
On the contrary Terry, I don’t actually like my voice. I do like making videos so it’ll have to suffice. Have a great day and thanks for watching:)
USS TWIGGS- The ship history forgot
How to shoot the crap out of your coastal enemy on a budget.
I,ve heard about European Monitors🤔
Ironic that we had a Prince Eugene, and in WW2 the Kriegsmarine had the Prinz Eugen too. (Only German capital ship to survive the war I believe). Is there a connection?
Prinz Eugen was a heavy cruiser, not considered a capital ship. She did survive and was ultimately sunk in USN service as a target during the postwar nuclear tests.
Ten thousand tons, ten knots and ten foot draught. Useful, but limited.
Honestly, the Lord Clive feels like it should have been American. How much gun can you fit on this tiny ship?
All the gun? Well, okay then…
Why are you talking in your throat ? So annoying.
Lol. Don’t have to watch.
good luck with your internship.
a *paid* one I hope.
unpaid internships are labor theft.
Oh yeah don’t worry I’m being compensated very well.
@@ImportantNavalHistory excellent! you're one of the lucky ones
2:20 The idea that the baltic fleet could Support a landing was Silly , im pretty sure fischer knew that aswell and was never the plan for the Baltic fleet . the main Goal of the Baltic fleet was to completely cut off Germany from trade , Mainly Sweden and use the sheer size of the royal navy to aggressively Box in the Smaller Kreigsmarine instead of the passive Atlantic blockade. its a real shame as the whole Reason for comming up with this plan was to avoid a "Messy Drawn out land battle" witch he believed was not britians way of fighting a war and predicted it. its so sad that fischer was a man too clever and Too Agrivating for his time. Forcing him to watch his country Die on the Path he Fought to Avoid.