As a future neuroscience researcher I will do us justice. The research needs to be left to us simply because looking at and comparing symptoms can never top truly experiencing and understanding them. Our minds are different and I will prove it.
@@debraderoos5225 I’m guessing the basis for your comment is ignorance about how research is actually conducted. Not only is Lauren’s topic probable, but it is possible as Lauren mentioned desiring to be a neuroscience researcher. Additionally, her point was that people who do not experience these symptoms (but conduct research on them!) are most likely not creating constructs that truly target the desired variables. Let me put it in layman’s terms- who better to accurately describe what it is like to be blind than a person who is blind? The reason she would be the best candidate for it (over other neurotypical researchers) is because she brings first hand experience to the research table, thereby able to create constructs a neurotypical would have never even thought about!
Did anyone else peak in their academics super young with ADHD? I would get perfect scores on tests as a kid but right around age 11-18 I went from talented and gifted/honor society to skipping tons of school and making Cs. Got suspended from college for failing. For years I wanted to do school work and loved learning but i couldn’t understand how I was so “lazy”. It’s less embarrassing now that I am diagnosed
For me, this started to occur AFTER high school. I had my "stroke of brilliance" in high school. I could hardly get myself to study in the evening after a full day of school but I managed to consistently get 75% on big tests and even exams that I studied under pressure on my 30-minute train ride to school. 🙃 It didn't make sense to me but it worked while it lasted. Until, of course, it didn't anymore...
On my side it was late elementary/middle school. After that there was too much homework for me to finish it during downtime in school and I couldn't even understand how to focus on 'homework' at home. So I was failing every class because of that- while staying engaged in class and Always getting nearly perfect test scores. I finally tried college a few years back and was... Closer to keeping up? But then covid happened and it switched to online. And I was home all the time with no clue how to even begin working from home. Yay. =/
@@StarNinja77 I’m glad I’m not alone 🥲🥺 I wasted a couple thousand on books and courses I worked hard to pay for and still couldn’t get that send of urgency to do homework, especially online. Looking up sources would get me distracted quick. The best thing we can do is learn to set systems that work in our favor like setting a timer to do just a little a day and reward yourself when you complete something even if it’s a small task! A change of scenery helps, like having a “zone” just for work and hobbies. Or going to a quiet area with seating in public.
@@katego370 that 30 minutes to cram thing is very relatable. Only when a deadline was close, I would jam info into my brain or finally finish something. It stopped working for me at some point too lol 🥲
High-school is often traumatizing. Trying to fit in is a thousand times more pressing, and distracting, so ya, it raised my stress and destroyed my previous "easy genious mode" too.
@@dustyficus I find that if I have a mindless/robotic task to complete like dishes or laundry I can play something in the background and it’s easier for me to grasp bits and pieces vs. sitting and trying to get the whole audio in one try
@@MissShellBelle1 I like drawing when listening helps!! But I often need to rewind bc I suddenly realize that I missed the last two minutes for example hehe but I don't find things as boring as without drawing... Or something similar...
I moreover can't help but clarifying that too many official studies are still made by "experts" that have no personal involvement with the subjects, they are very often neurotypicals with no other understanding than being experienced in external observations filtered on their own models of interpretation so that despite the fact that they are the ones that are officially recognized, this very same people tend to be the less likely to have an actual valid expertise.
This is an excellent lecture on ASD in girls, by a woman who studied and worked in ASD for years before she discovered she also has ASD. Full of useful insights. th-cam.com/video/yKzWbDPisNk/w-d-xo.html
I'm 38 years old and didn't get an ADHD diagnosis until I was 19, this makes sense since most people at the time though you had to be physically hyperactive and I wasn't. When I was 27 I was in therapy and being medicated for ADHD and expressed my concern that I was on the spectrum because x,y,z... and the Dr. laughed at me. He said because I could talk to him and look him in the eye there was no way I could be on the spectrum. I still think I am! I have never attempted to pursue a diagnosis since, honestly I'm afraid of being shot down again. This information is so helpful and validating!
i am 37 and do look people in the eye. i have a kind of "officially high probabillity of autism" diagnosis, and in 1 month a diagnostic routine for adhd. i suspect i have both. th emore I read, th emore I think my grandma had it, passed it on to my dad and my uncles. and my mother has clearly add. alcohol abuse is kinda normal in our family, one brother killed himself, everybody is fucked up and down on his luck. I bealive this madness has a system. and the system isnt named "you are just lazy". so, trust your senses. my aunt is a psychiatrist, and she doesnt believe me for shit.
@my first and last I think you're right. The more I learn about ASD co-existing with ADHD the more I think it explains my existence. 38 year old me is better at expressing myself and more confident than I was at 27. I feel like I have more insight now. Maybe it's worth pursuing again.
@@obelixpfeifenreiniger2863 As a kid I was definitely told I was lazy and suffered tremendously in school both socially and academically. I just couldn't cope. I think a lot of women in our age range with these things just fell through the cracks. It's sad really, it's hard not to dwell on what could have been if we had the help we so desperately needed. But people didn't know. I definitely think this runs in families.
In my experience, the difference between diagnosed and undiagnosed folks is economic status. Rich kids have adhd/asd, poor kids are just mean and lazy 😒
As someone with adhd i didn’t really had significant academical problems until highschool. Like i used to make careless mistakes in tests but i mostly had good grades but since highschool i feel i can’t put up with it. And well with friendships those were always a problem...
I had the same experience. When I was getting my ADHD diagnosis, my psychiatrist told me that for a lot of people things like school are less of an obstacle earlier in life because you naturally find them easier but it is when things start getting more complicated and you have more responsibilities that you are able to realize that you have a problem.
In my experience middle school tests were more logic based so they didn't really require much preparation and depending on your skill level did not need any prior studying to succeed at them, high school though the tests had a heavier emphasis of the knowledge aspect of the lesson which led to failure in grades for me who hasn't ever properly studied in their life, this contrast really delayed my eventual diagnosis though as in where i live which highschool you went to was determined by your middle school grades + an exam nationwide, which was also quite logic based, and i did a quite good ranking on it and got into a high ranking school, cause of this it was expected for students grades to lower since they were around the same level and teachers made the exams according to that, so my bad grades weren't really considered as bad, but it was very frustrating for me since most of the time i knew how to solve a question but the details were fuzzy like the formulas and stuff so i couldn't really do anything cause i didn't knew the specifics that you could only really learn through memorization etc. Took a lot of convincing (and a 1 failed university exam) for me to finally convince my parents to check in with a psychiatrist cause i had good grades and was not hyperactive cause i didn't go out a lot (I don't why the fuck i wrote thid paragraph lmao im in a rambly mood)
I was the same, as I also made careless mistakes and school was something very much pushed as the most important thing, so I also thought I *had* to be good and keep trying to be good, until I overloaded myself with hard classes and nearly dropped out my last year of high school.
Learned shame is a huge factor in children- particularly females, not presenting ‘obviously’ as having ASD or ADHD. When children with these disorders are punished or marked as pathological by the authority figures in their life, they learn how to mask their symptoms through pattern observation. Tying in the fact that these disorders are extremely hereditary, it’s not too far off to assume that undiagnosed parents are particularly sensitive to their children’s poor behaviors because it triggers their sensory issues, or emotional regulatory issues, leading to more shame and undiagnosed children.
You hit the nail in the head for my childhood experience! Well as a kid my symptoms were more quirky than a concern. But once I hit late highschool to early adulthood, my behavior was unacceptable and needed to be stopped
Once I realized my behaviors were socially embarrassing and unacceptable, I tried to hide them and develop major depression and generalized anxiety disorder. Regardless of my recent ADHD diagnosis, I still struggle daily with the two. I think early diagnosis would have prevented that
As of read/listened many adult womens ADHD stories I feel like the actual questionnaire and process for testing isn't that great. many important points (reoccurring in most womens stories) are left out and not talked about at all among medicals dealing with ADHD patients. for example that you must have had difficulty learning and focusing before the age of 12. For many that are seeking diagnosis later in life they might not remember what people did/said what you did in that time. Also In younger years regarding learning difficulty, many subjects are really easy and when you are fortunate enough to have a teacher that can make everything interesting then it's even harder to spot. Many smarter girls just wing it in earlier education and the problems start to arise later. For example hyperfocus on subjects and if they have curious nature they just pick things up along the way, homework is quite less and fast to do (overcompensating starts later when the exercises get harder and need more time and attention). So they take 2 hours instead of 1 that it would take others of the same intelligence.When it gets even harder ie. subjects they don't care about or bigger projects, long essays then they just learn to overcompensate or give up (because the work in itself for a normal person would take 5hours and for ADHD it would take double). and put much more effort and time into for example studying something. Afterwards talking to peers they often feel confused of how others seem to have so much free time and energy to live regularly great lives (they don't have to waste time re-reading and re-focusing). But at the same time from the outsiders viewing the person everything seems okay (they don't know how much time or energy was spent to keep it together or to hand in that work etc). I think the questionnaires and formal information regarding ADHD should be upgraded. In my country psychiatrists and psychologists seem to think that it's mostly a children's problem and if you are somewhat smart (and seem to be doing well even though you are really just overcompensating and hiding parts of your life) than you cannot simply have ADHD. Sad
This lecture describes both my life, and that of my daughter. I didn’t get my diagnosis till after the second time we got her evaluated. Then there were the side effects of the medications, which were indeed worse for her than anticipated by her doctors. In retrospect, They were bad enough to contribute to our child being removed from our home for a week by CPS, because “obviously someone must be abusing her.” (Untrue.) There are still consequences from those actions, 17 years later. I am still angry at those who saw the reaction to the initial medications, and chose to call CPS rather than having a conversation with us. Those people destroyed our lives, and permanently damaged our daughter. I hope that the results of this work will save future girls from a similar fate.
I feel so seen and heard by the comment above. I don't know if I'll ever be diagnosed with autism, but I'm pretty confident that I have it. I've been diagnosed with ADHD tho, and I fit your description to a T. I wish my signs were recognized sooner, I would have to suffer for so long.
You basically wrote a summary of life. School was really easy until I got to college. I was smart and could recognize patterns easily so I didn't really have to study. I felt like I was cheating because I was getting good grades by throwing projects together at the last minute while knowing my friends worked really hard on theirs and we were getting comparable grades. So when I got to college my old methods didn't work anymore and it became very obvious that I was behind and everybody else had organizing, planning and studying skills that I just did not have.
@@bokillian9147 first of all you're off topic ..second of all you shouldn't be hacking anyone's passwords..that's not ok. If you suspect anything then you talk about it and if needed to be you break up. But sneaking behind your gf and hacking passwords is abusive even if you have "a reason" to be suspecting sth. Healthy relationship does not contain hacking each others stuff.
Quick correction that is vitally important. At 3:56 criteria C for ASD is listed incompletely. Dr. Miller forgot the last part which states "(but may not become fully manifest until social demands exceed limited capacities, or may be masked by learned strategies in later life)."
I have inattentive type, but also relate to talking loads, interrupting and having trouble waiting for my turn(or even not raising my hand in class and just blurting it out). Teachers have been so mad at me for that...
Has there been work looking into the effects of complex trauma on women/girls with ADHD and/or ASD and trauma-related disorders such as PTSD and DID? I ask because my family has a lot of mental illnesses in the family and I underwent a lot of complex trauma and my older brother, who also went through a lot, was diagnosed with ADHD and medicated for it when he was 5 years old. As an adult he still suffers w a lot of the typical hyperactive symptoms whereas for me, my symptoms were most characterized by social anxiety, generalized anxiety and depression all of which I have been recently diagnosed with along with PTSD. Upon finally starting trauma therapy I noticed that as a child I started reading/writing earlier than my peers and also had issues with making friends and keeping friends. Granted there was a lot of confusing trauma happening at the same time but I feel those effects today with difficulty forming and maintaining friendships (except for my longtime boyfriend). So, what I’m getting at is I think I may have always had some time of adhd and/or be on the spectrum on top of having adopted a lot of dissociation coping mechanisms to the point of also having a dissociation disorder.
I’m curious about this too. I’ve expressed the difficulties I’ve had to loved ones and they, without missing a beat, explain it away based on the trauma I’ve been through. I can’t keep telling them “no you don’t understand!”
Thank you for highlighting this, Natalie. I hope UC Davis Mind Institute reads your comment. ASD and ADHD is highly heritable, and I suspect there may be a strong correlation between abusive behaviour and undiagnosed or untreated ASD and/or ADHD. Sensory overwhelm, impulsivity, difficulties self-soothing or with emotional regulation can be an explosive combination in people who have struggled to fit in during school or in life in general, and are then faced with the demands of parenthood, particularly when parenting children who also have ASD and/or ADHD who can be noisy and challenging. So it makes complete sense to me that you can have trauma and ADHD and ASD. I can also identify on a personal level - I have ASD and ADHD, a dad who had ASD and a mum with ADHD & ASD. My dad was abusive, I married a man who was abusive (and who also has undiagnosed ASD & ADHD) and I have two children with the conditions. I also have trauma and dissociative symptoms. My ADHD diagnosis and subsequent treatment (medication and therapy), as well as recognition by the diagnosing psychiatrist that I have a high likelihood of having ASD, has really helped me to get clarity and move forward, to the point where I can now get my children the support they need.
I am sorry you went through that, i hope you are finding support. I have the same thing as well as being given a cptsd diagnosis. I realized i have been using dissociation as a coping method far longer and deeper than i realized. I have blank periods but i remember them at the time if that makes sense. I would even say D.I.D would be similar except for i personally dont believe in it even tho it must exist if that also makes sense. I seem to even buy clothes that are so not me during a really stressful time.
This has really resonated with me. I’ve been diagnosed with BPD and anxiety, I deal with c-ptsd type response and have been experiencing with a lot of sensory overload issues recently. I definitely see an overlap in a lot of my symptoms but it’s hard to differentiate, especially with symptoms like disassociation.
Prevalance = how the symptoms present in ways that negatively impact others around them. Boys are more likely to have outward behavioural issues which lends to them being referred for Dx. Girls tend more toward PI, which does not impact others and, subsequently, does not result in being referred for Dx. The rates are likely closer 1:1, but referrals are much more likely for those who cause distractions to family/classroom, regardless of how significant their actual symptoms are. Furthermore, the egregious lack of understanding of HF ASD (aka Aspergers) in girls has led to a large disparity in Dx between genders. This is why Dx for girls (those with HFASD/ADHD) happens in adolescence or early adulthood post breakdown/attempted suicide.There are high rates of ED, self harm and suicidal ideation in girls with both; however, the profile of these girls are still not recognized largely for what they are. I am hopeful since many in the field are now finally learning what HF ASD looks like in girls, but we are so far behind still. Note, that it took more time than it should have for researchers to realize that ASD female brains look like NT male brains, for example. This all being said, it's NT individuals who lack theory of mind.
100% agree, and it's upsetting that psychology is still so far behind. I can't help but to point out that every study I read surveys kids who are European, and we know very little about how cultural differences effect how "visible" some people's ASD/ADHD is, especially amongst black people and poc. There's so much more to be learned and developed and it's saddening, but thankfully the internet has made me learn and connect and feel valid more than ever
Asd female brain looks like NT male brain?!!then you shouldn’t have any problems since you share the same brain as half of the population! Only 1 study said that and it was retracted due to many statistical errors.
@@lama5540 I'm super lucky, so the way my ADHD + ASD work together means I can process massive amounts of information very quickly. I can type out emails for work while carrying on a conversation on the phone with no issues. My brain is like a super computer, so the biggest downfalls I have are the excessive empathy and heighted awareness. I did not see that the study I read was retracted. Do you happen to know the study you are referencing? Socially, I haven't really had issues, either, because most of my friends are guys.
Asds use a lot of conscious reasoning in areas where nts just have it "pre-wired" and so intuitive, this means that in coping with social environments asds are already much more inclined to mental exhaustion which will clearly affect the capacity for attention, memory, and others cognitive functions. By constantly living into stressful environments asds are inclined to develop adhd as a consequential complication.
@@natalie-723 genetic doesn't means that it can't be developed, Gabor Maté is far better than me at explaining why and how, he has some good books on adhd and lots of very updated talks even around youtube
@@janlaag sorry my comment didn’t make much sense but i know genetic doesn’t mean you can’t get something later in life but specifically for adhd you cannot develop it it’s always there but it can go away later in life.
Someone still saying (in the beginning) that the ratio is 4/5-1 boys - girls? 🤔 I thought we moved past that long ago? Is it even worth listening to this, I wonder
@@femme_fatalist that’s true diagnosed with Aspergers at age 23 and ADHD Inattentive this year at age 40. My symptoms would have been more combined type in childhood. I’m in Australia and yes women are overlooked because of research bias on males in both conditions
I found this super interesting and relatable. Thank you for your hard work, it's sad to see there aren't many studies for women affected by autism and ADHD.
I have an official ADHD diagnosis with alot of comorbidities such as OCD, GAD, ecc…I think (I’m 99,9% sure) I’m on the ASD spectrum, too, but the doctors who made my ADHD assessment said no. But I’m sure I am. Can’t explain any further. The place where I got diagnosed is an ADHD center, so I think I’ll go make an ASD assessment in a specialized center. Unfortunately here in Italy we have much work to do about mental health awareness, especially about ADHD. I’m 35 years old and got diagnosed last year!!! A lifetime feeling like an alien, but better late than never… 😰
No one will listen to me or help me receive diagnosis - simply told I have anxiety and depression for years and years. How do I find help that understands my presentation of these disorders as a woman may be different? I feel lost.
Yeah, the “some people actually don’t grow out of it!” Well, no one does, there are a few that improve to the point they function well enough to not worry about it, but plenty of people get worse!!
Hi. I have a question. Here’s background: As a 24 y/o woman who was diagnosed ADHD at 16 (after a decade of teachers suggesting ADD/ADHD screenings to my religious/not science focused parents) I now believe I am on the spectrum. I have always had suspicions of this because of hyperfixations, sensitivity to stimulus and frequently being “rude” by stating harsh truths rather than being amicable and easygoing but I basically gaslight myself out of it because of the anti-science, pro-personal-responsibility mentality that I was raised under. I often feel guilt that I am looking for an excuse for being dysfunctional. My life has been severely affected by my interpersonal relationships and poor decision making/time management/emotional reactivity/misinterpreting body language and social cues. I have a lot of shame surrounding this topic but I know deep down it was not a choice I made, but a setback I’ve faced. I’m also an amazing communicator (NOW) because I have to adapt and I interpret conversations analytically rather than empathetically. I’ve always had issues with eye contact but have actively tried to make it but I’m unable to retain eye contact and listen to someone at the same time. My question is how would I go about distinguishing between the two, and how a potential ASD diagnosis could benefit me and my self awareness??? Or are these symptoms simply ADHD as it’s gone untreated? My ADHD medication (on vyvanse 16-18 and then recently on sertraline) helps with planning and numbing emotional/anxiety responses but always (even on non-stimulants) leads to extreme hyperfixation and exacerbate OCD symptoms. I’m not good at routines as I never had any growing up but now often spend hours upon the day trying to implement systems to improve my routines(on notion and other task/habit apps) and when I’m off schedule or in a messy house I am very sensitive and unable to function. I know I have ADHD because I get intense momentary adrenaline rushes/despair and feel real results from ADHD medications. Do my side effects of my meds confirm my suspicions of ASD? Honestly I feel like I already know but with these being comorbid, I just want solutions. I know diagnoses are treatment oriented and I just want to understand myself enough to function. But with the wave on social media of ASD/ADHD/tourettes info I often feel like I’m playing pretend. Do ADHD people mask as often as those on the spectrum or is that an indication of my own ASD??
Girl, you might as well have written my diary. I feel so lucky that I got my ADHD diagnosis before TikTok was invented or else I'd have been gaslighting myself on the same grounds. I'm also just starting to gather my own evidence/counter-evidence for the spectrum as my therapist (not licensed to diagnose) suggested it as a possibility and gave me assessments that strongly affirmed the presence of autistic traits. I had always considered them "personal quirks" so this was a bit of a mind warp. She encouraged me to not obsess over this as diagnosis, and instead treat it as just more information. A lot of the advice for mild to moderate autism and adhd is the same, almost to the letter. I think the sensory/relation to others stuff is the relevant distinction, even though "pure" ADHD has some of it too. Ultimately what I'm trying to do is take an honest look at my life and try to identify: where has it been damaging for me to not be conscious of my potentially autistic traits? For me the obvious answer is within relationships and work. My masking is out of control and I'm just now barely beginning to experiment with being honest with people about my boundaries, rather than stick with my forever motto of "adapt, adapt, adapt, be cheery always, be there for others at all times even if you literally can't absorb their words anymore bc you're so desperate for a solitude break, just smile and nod". I've also been cocky and inaccurate with my assumptions of how well I can read people. I've been mystified and hurt by personal and work relationships that were really intense at one point just gently melting away, leaving me wondering what I've done wrong. I wonder how much more empowered I could be if I just explained to people from the get go that they're going to need to say what they mean and mean what they say if they want to have something good with me. It's painful, but it's a journey! I think it's about striking a balance between validating your needs and differences and not letting a diagnosis or name become your entire identity. If you know you have an issue with xyz stimuli then you don't need anyone to agree or disagree, it's your mind and body. I know diagnosis is validating, but ultimately it is both inaccessible to many people and limited in its scope. Unless you need an exemption or something for school, but in an American workplace supervisors are required by law to give reasonable accommodation- they may request an assessment by a licensed mental health therapist but it does NOT have to be from a psychologist licensed to diagnose.
I do want to say that I really don't like that P.h.D.'s keep saying or implying that the way you must treat a person with ADHD is with medication. Don't get me wrong, medication is a great tool for many ADHDers to help them juggle their symptoms in everyday life, but this talk of "the best treatment for a child with ADHD is medication" is destructive and disrespectful. It basically says that you just have to put an ADHDer on medication and they'll conform to society's norm like a neurotypical person. The problem is, it does NOT address the nature of that person, nor does it respect it. You must FIRST help a person or parent to understand how exactly their attention deficit affects them, otherwise, you're just covering things up which results in all kinds of mental health problems later on (a story many ADHDers know all too well.) Instead of focusing on how you can make a neurodivergent child or adult conform to a flawed society's expectations, can we please put all our focus, resources, and energy on helping (parents of) ADHDers navigate the world in their own weird and wonderful ways? Let's not forget that some of the most influential achievements have been by ADHDers, not despite their neurodiversity but BECAUSE of it. We have historically served a major role to the benefit of society yet in the moment, we're contemporaneously dismissed. There is so much extreme pressure on us to be "normal enough" to be accepted and one of the ways is by professionals just saying "take medication". Teaching people that we need to up our tolerance for neurodivergent people in a respectful way instead of dismissing them would go a long way to decreasing the number of ADHDers with all kinds of inferiority complexes and disguised social anxiety.
Ugh I still can't understand the difference between what JUST autism in females vs what comorbid autism and ADHD in females looks like. I've been diagnosed with ADHD but I've suspected ASD for a few years now. But without concrete representation/ examples of what comborid ADHD and ASD in females looks like, I can't friggin figure it out 😫
These difference boil down to diagnostic criteria. In nature (= reality) neither ADHD nor ASD exists. What exists are certain neurological and neurodevelopmental particularities that can manifest in ways that clinical psychologists and psychiatrists refer to as ADHD or ASD. Sometimes it's clearly one or the other, sometimes it's not possible to draw a clear distinction, since diagnostic criteria of both disorder constructs are present.
theres so much information out there wth kids with adhd and autism.. need more focas on adults im late diagnosed i need to learn more and its hard coz everyone just focasses on stuff thats obvious with kids. O_O
It absolutely HAS been the case that women and girls, think of them as adults NOW, who were AND ARE ignored and undiagnosed. With all the women "experts" in the field, you'd think they'd be doing something about that but nah, just forget about them and they don't show up in your radar to be bothered by. THAT'S what is happening. Nearly FOUR generations of women alive right now whose autism and/or adhd are unsupported and ignored.
Parents are seeing more in their daughters because girls are better at masking at a younger age, but they feel comfortable at home and can take their mask off.
Being fully diagnosed with ADHD and boarderline personality disorder which I was never sure of it didn’t fit my issues I know who I am I’m just very isolated, and it’s okay yet I have social issues im literal I don’t understand certains so l’ai behaviors of others and relationships are so hard for me to carry on, been engaged three times ran away and when I feel uncomfortable with anyone who has hurt me I kinda stop engaging and go silent. Gosh this made cry. I’m very high functioning but now I know why at work they give me what I need and put me in the corner great employee no social understanding of the latter approach I talk to anyone who I feel can fix the work issues ASAP because I follow the policy and procedures by the book!
All medications for ADHD hurt ASD or just stimulants. I have ADHD with some ASD markers but Strattera helps me a lot, with emotional regulation that is but stimulates have pesky heart rate increases and make me forget to eat longer than I already did.
The only reason I think I got an ADHD diagnosis in middle school is because I never got good grades despite being given the second highest intellectual capability score in my class in elementary school (the kid who was first skipped a grade, I however GOT HELD BACK a year in high school). I think I might have ASD because my sister is autistic, but I was kinda popular in high school so idk if I don't have it or am just super great at masking... was given a test by a psychologist to see if I might have ASD and my score fell into the "MAY have ASD" score, so didn't really find out anything, plus a lot of it could be explained away by ADHD anyway.
I have both ADHD and ASD. I got diagnosed with both disorders later in life and I don’t even know where to begin to tell you how life has been…it’s frustrating that there aren’t many resources for adults.
At 26 I was finally diagnosed for asd and adhd. Depression and anxiety have been well known in me. But now I'm thinking the root of those two started from the shame and trauma of growing up without a diagnosis or support for adhd and asd.
I would like to say that autism spectrum isn't a disorder, it a gift for without aspergers brains we would have the technology advancements we have today.
I understand exactly what you going through, I'm writing from Canada! I used Dr isibor natural herbal calming remedies and body cleanser for my autistic daughter with ADHD. It works! no side effects my daughter behaves normal now..
Great content- I was FINALLY (in my mid 40's) diagnosed with severe ADHD (now Medicated-it helps with the ADHD but not the "Spectrum" portion (Anxiety specifically I find) ...), but struggle to get an Autism Diagnosis (I have one grown child with unmedicated ADHD .....and a young one with diagnosed (and now medicated)...with BOTH ADHD and AUtism)....I would LOVE to see someone further research the connection IM seeing (In alot of very VERY large groups) between Autism and ADHD ...AND Narcissistic Abuse ..(There is a firm "Histrionic" component..Im wondering at the genetic components???... as alot of these folks HAVE a narcissistic caregiver or parent in their life.... BUT Im seeing ALOT of neurodiverse folks who HAVE a narcissistic biological PARENT ...(as we look for "Causes")....(as...we seem to be groomed by the family system to then FIND these folks for marriage and relationships...and due to our deficits are exploited and targeted often). Thanks for this..very informative!..#DebsCornerCanada
❌️ Female here, 58 y/o, and for me, my ADHD, and ASD tend to contradict each other. All day long, my brain is playing tug of war. Usually the ADHD part is more dominant - It's EXHAUSTING, and I need to take naps, and no matter if I do or not, i still have a challenge sleeping well at night!!! 🌷❌️
The percentage range being so wide is due to the complexity involved here, none the less there are definitely foundational parameters that we know at this stage of our knowledge to be able to more precisely differentiate .. Although I believe that ADHD, Autism, Bi-polar , schizophrenia are along a spectrum . Epi genetics also play a role in how these genes present or translate.. Complexity ..
I just turned 55 and I can’t find a provider to assess me. Also had several practitioners saying they can’t take my word of my childhood experiences and chalenges
If you live in the Oklahoma area, (thought I’m not entirely sure, they may also have services out of state as well) look up focused adult. The process is easy and only $200 atm.
@@livb6945 It may not be that simple. I can schedule a test without it costing anything in Alberta, but I would have to wait 2 1/2 years for an appointment. Instead, I will pay about $1,400.
@@coreycox2345 That is still much better than the $3000 to $5000 cost for an assessment here in the US. And if you’re willing to wait a couple of years, at least you can have the cost covered. The US may be a “developed country,” but greed and corporate profit is the driving force -through aggressive lobbying and massive campaign funding- that shapes policy affecting everyday lives. *We are deeply flawed* and the most vulnerable pay the price.
This is super helpful! I do wonder when this conversation will branch out to transgender and nonbinary autistic folks though I'm trying to figure myself out and just doing guesswork of "I guess I was socialized as a woman... so will my symptoms be that of autistic women?" is overwhelming Besides, many trans people are autistic statistically
I read a comment once of a trans guy who had an autism diagnosis before transitioning, who said his presentation of symptoms changed when he started taking hormones, into the more typical symptoms associated with (male) autism. Obviously this is just anecdotal, but maybe interesting to know?
I think while it's useful to know that autism is more likely to present in a specific way with a specific gender, no sets of traits should be gendered. There are always going to be outliers in cis cases, and non binary and trans cases can't fit in a box that doesn't exist (the solution isn't to make a new box but to look at an individual's traits and needs!). Yo Samdy Sam has a good video on this exact topic (it's called something like "I was wrong about autism in girls")
As Helen brought out traits aren't exactly gendered. Everyone has a different brain and personality so even if some traits are seen mostly in a certain gender it doesn't mean that is always the case. For example my best friend and I are both ciswomen with adhd. She's very talkative and never hesitates to interrupt (hyperactive) while I have always been quiet and in my own world (inattentive). Its been noted by doctors that those with a uterus are more likely to experience elevated adhd symptoms during the end of the menstrual cycle. I just had the thought of if certain hormones play a part in how a neurodivergent disorder can present itself since we all produce the same hormones just in varying levels. Just one more area that needs further research....
It probably isn't male predominant, it's just the 20% of of females who present similarly to how males typically do are the ones that most often get their diagnosis, and the other 80% get diagnosed sometimes but rarely
It would be great to know what study it was about ADOS and ADI-R. Also, how did those pariticipants get the diagnosis (also based mostly on ADOS or ADI-R?). And how young were they? If they included mostly more obvious cases, then no wonder there are no big differences. In my clinical experiences, ADOS and ADI-R can miss a lot of information, especially in girls, but also in some boys, it depends a lot how well is the information collected.
I tried to listen and really wanted to but I have high anxiety to noise. Her smacking her lips or tongue was too loud and I could not concentrate. I’d love to learn the freedom for my auditory anxiousness but too many people slurp coffee, smack lips, put the accent too high on the final word in the sentence. Any advice would be great.
I live in Maryland, In my 40’s and female. I have several diagnosis (autism, adhd, sensory processing disorder, schizoaffective, panic disorder & substance abuse disorders). I was once diagnosed with ptsd and have been called ocd many times thru life. I’m having problems at this moment more than any other time in life and really would like inpatient help and re-assessments to make sure diagnosis & medication are sufficient. I would like to possibly have the diagnosis above narrowed down. Do you have any suggestions of inpatient treatment centers around the country that would be a great fit for what I’m needing? Thank you very much
My therapist thinks I have a form of autism and although I know I have a lot of similarities the main reason I think I dont is because I’m the opposite of taking language in a literal way. I am when it’s others using language that they’ve established in the social world bc I’m out of the loop, but I’m obsessed with poetry and can analyze metaphors and similes easily. I also write poetry a lot and sometimes will speak too metaphorically for people where they don’t understand what I’m saying. Does anyone know if this means I’m not autistic? Is taking things literally a foundation for autism?
No, taking things literally is not a universal autism thing, although it is a fairly common autistic trait. My guess is poetry is a special interest of yours, making it easier for you to understand metaphors. I also love metaphors and one of my special interests is the English language as a whole, so I don't really take things that literally either. Every person's autism appears differently, so while one person takes things literally, another person might struggle more with body language. Don't throw away the idea that you might be autistic just because you don't show one stereotypical autistic trait.
Your verbal gifts can be part of autism. Social language is very different. With poetry, you are creating art. With social language, knowing how to check if one is connecting to another is essential. This disconnect is common in autism.
Im 35 years old i have adhd autism and anxiety with borderline personality disorder im very Intelligent creative and people say im funny but i get hurt and angry when people laugh at me, i love music i play the drums, but i exercise alot because exercise helps my brain, and i take concerta for impulse control and my mental health njrse doeant want me dring my car when i cant concentrate, because i drove past stop amd go road works three times, i get sensory overload and overthink things alot, but doing dbt skills therapy
I have both lmao The only reason why I figured it out is because I felt like an alien amongst everyone that’s how I knew something was different up there. I guess because I’m an intellectual that’s why I went undiagnosed for so long
Interesting that you picked up on that. I wish there was a group like this so I could understand my daughter better and how to help her. She is highly sensory and has both conditions. I wonder if she feels like this.
At 10 months old my daughter had a stroke. At 6 she was diagnosed with adhd then later autism. And I'm need more info to understand them. My noe ex husband and I both have adhd
Me okay I was only put up at school because I got to big for the seats I had no trouble making and keeping friends. I struggled with every thing except speech reading and writing .quite normal not brilliant. What is wrong with me. Add fits me but I'm organised. Even as a small child. I have a weird ass long term memory. Short term memory is pretty Crabby
omfg....IT IS NOT MORE COMMON IN THE MALE GENDER.....ITS PRETTY FUCKING EQUAL MAAM 😤 😒 🙄 I have severe ADHD ( Combined type) ( my treatment is 30mg Adderall twice a day) I am on the Autism Spectrum Disorder as well. 36 Year Old Female
Need 21st century data, not 1930’s data. It’s almost a century ago! What’s the recent data for girls and women? Most of this has been collated in “the dark age” of psychology! More study is needed if it’s this weak. That’s a shame! Thought it would have improved more at this point! You need to talk to people not books.
Can you tell me a little more about yourself? It's so hard to find a female with both, I can't compare my experiences. I have ADHD. suspected autism for a few years. But never could find a provider until recently, so I'm on the waitlist for an evaluation. But anyway, I would love to hear about your experience
@@SavageThrifter I found out that i have autism and adhd when I was 18. so it was very late. and i am just now realisering my childhood and how it was different from other kids
I was listening to an interview a couple of years ago. The guest was a child developmental counselor or something like that. The topic was children diagnosed with ADHD in France compared to in the U.S. The amount of French children who are diagnosed with ADHD is significantly lower than American children and the discussion of diet and culture was the focus. Basically, the diet of each is significantly different. American children have a terrible, High in sugar, fat, and preservatives compared to french children. Then they went on to compare American children are less active, sit at home in front of TV or some kind of gaming device compared to french children. Very interesting maybe you can look for the interview or read something about it because I may have got the details little mixed up or not exactly correct but it was very interesting nonetheless so it’s it’s really something to ponder
Neuroscientists have multiple studies that confirm that too much screen time can increase ADHD symptoms and even give ADHD symptoms to children previously not displaying them. Furthermore, trauma's that are not dealt with properly can induce ADHD symptoms in children and adults as well. Since we diagnose mostly on symptoms (only thing we have right now), that could play a part in the differences between countries.
@@MimouFirst actually phone/screen addiction and adhd go hand in hand since those with adhd we seek stimulation and the phone gives us the dopamine we need.
I had an impeccable diet for awhile but it just made me lose my friends due to becoming obsessive about it and the gym, and I probably missed out on some great life experiences because I was too anxious to eat "dirty" foods if I didn't have a kitchen and prepped meals at my disposal, such as college parties (the only ones I went to were related to clubs I was literally part of ie water polo or LGBTQA staff, also I didn't drink, like at all). Now that I'm not doing that any more and have had a few years of eating more "normally", I've concluded it's not worth sacrificing my mental health and my entire life for maybe a 1% edge I'd have by "eating clean" (whatever the f that means, our nutritional understanding is always changing every 5-10 years).
I don't mean any offense to the speaker, but I'm so sick of this institutionalized academic approach that keeps resources imprisoned in colonialism, upholding the medical-industrial complex. The academic model is abusive to students, grad students, researchers, assistants, even professors and especially patients. All of this language is so sterilized that dramatic translation is required for personal application. WE ARE NEITHER DATA NOR SUBJECTS. We are complex animals who deserve to be treated as sentient, autonomous members of our group, sometimes called "humanity".
(I say "sometimes called humanity" in recognition of the english language construct of "humanism" that is by no means universal. Not sarcasm... just to be clear.)
BUT......we learn by the scientific method.....that means keeping emotions out of the "Thing"....till we know what is happening in the Universe and ourselves I think we should be grateful for any interest in Us.....grateful not to have our heads smashed in and being left on the side of the road, when we are young
The vocal tic "tsk" make this really hard to listen to "tsk" Do you ever listen to your own speech? "tsk" "tsk" It's endless... "tsk" onwards to find a better video "tsk"
I understand exactly what you going through, I'm writing from Canada! I used Dr isibor natural herbal calming remedies and body cleanser for my autistic daughter with ADHD. It works! no side effects my daughter behaves normal now..
ASD and ADHD are not real things, but descriptions of real phenomena. ADHD and ASD as constructs partially describe the very same natural phenomena, they partially refer to the same real thing.
@@2434-k3l They are constructs that attempt to describe observable phenomena, but the phenomena are not bound to the taxonomic and semantic limitations and shortcomings of the constructs we use to describe and classify them (= models, theories, definitions). Meaning: if we use a certain taxonomy (eg ICD-10) to create a comprehensive classification of disorders, this is just a tool. But the tool itself is not equivalent to the phenomena is attempts to encompass. Nature doesn't know ADHD or ASD or any other of these terms. And certainly nature doesn not separate disorders of the brain according to such categories. Symptoms of ADHD, ASD and various other constructs we invented can occur and manifest simultaneously and often it's not even clear if two constructs used to describe conditions are even really two separate things in nature. For example: it's rather arbitrary to draw a line between introversion, social anxiety and avoidant-personality. All three can describe the same natural phenomenon. Sure, there are some differences in the diagnostic criteria used, but then again they mostly boil down to severity, which again is rather arbitrary and subjective.
@@esahm373 Not even knowing the causes, it's not fully possible to give concrete definitions. It's going to keep evolving as research and understanding increases. I hope to find out what links autism, adhd and connective tissue disorders!
@@shorelined1 Well, I would think of all of them as disorders / abnormalities in the way the brain processes information. This can be decreased or increased signalling in certain neural circuit involved in everyday human activities such as social interaction. Injury to the same areas after accidents, brain tumors and their resection or other pathologies can mimic the symptoms, but people with Autism just happen to be born with a brain that has an abnormal state in circuitry by default, just as other people are born with other abnormalities in other parts of the body.
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Timestamps that may be helpful
Overview of ASD & ADHD
1:25 - 4:13 *ASD*
4:14 - 4:57 *ADHD*
4:58 - 19:48 *When* *ASD* & *ADHD* *co-occur*
19:49 *Girls* & *women* *with* *ASD,* *ADHD* *or* *both*- *what* *do* *we* *know?*
22:35 *Girls*/*women* *with* *ASD*
27:19 *Girls*/*women* *with* *ADHD* *compared* *to* *girls* *without* *ADHD*
30:19 *What* *do* *we* *know* *about* *girls/women* *with* *ASD* & *ADHD*
31:30 *Protective* *factors*
33:20 *Challenges* & *future* *directions*
35:00 *Thank you!*
35:10 *Questions*
thank you 😭😭
You are God's gift to us lmao. You are wonderful!
THANK YOU!
Not all superheroes wear capes
Now I’ll actually be able to watch the video lmaoo
As a future neuroscience researcher I will do us justice. The research needs to be left to us simply because looking at and comparing symptoms can never top truly experiencing and understanding them. Our minds are different and I will prove it.
And YOU will prove it? That's a bit hilarious.
Goodluck. We need more people like what you aim to be and despite the bellends like the guy that responded to you before me, you can do it
@@debraderoos5225 hush boomer
I second this.
@@debraderoos5225 I’m guessing the basis for your comment is ignorance about how research is actually conducted. Not only is Lauren’s topic probable, but it is possible as Lauren mentioned desiring to be a neuroscience researcher. Additionally, her point was that people who do not experience these symptoms (but conduct research on them!) are most likely not creating constructs that truly target the desired variables. Let me put it in layman’s terms- who better to accurately describe what it is like to be blind than a person who is blind? The reason she would be the best candidate for it (over other neurotypical researchers) is because she brings first hand experience to the research table, thereby able to create constructs a neurotypical would have never even thought about!
Did anyone else peak in their academics super young with ADHD? I would get perfect scores on tests as a kid but right around age 11-18 I went from talented and gifted/honor society to skipping tons of school and making Cs. Got suspended from college for failing. For years I wanted to do school work and loved learning but i couldn’t understand how I was so “lazy”. It’s less embarrassing now that I am diagnosed
For me, this started to occur AFTER high school. I had my "stroke of brilliance" in high school. I could hardly get myself to study in the evening after a full day of school but I managed to consistently get 75% on big tests and even exams that I studied under pressure on my 30-minute train ride to school. 🙃 It didn't make sense to me but it worked while it lasted. Until, of course, it didn't anymore...
On my side it was late elementary/middle school. After that there was too much homework for me to finish it during downtime in school and I couldn't even understand how to focus on 'homework' at home. So I was failing every class because of that- while staying engaged in class and Always getting nearly perfect test scores. I finally tried college a few years back and was... Closer to keeping up? But then covid happened and it switched to online. And I was home all the time with no clue how to even begin working from home. Yay. =/
@@StarNinja77 I’m glad I’m not alone 🥲🥺 I wasted a couple thousand on books and courses I worked hard to pay for and still couldn’t get that send of urgency to do homework, especially online. Looking up sources would get me distracted quick. The best thing we can do is learn to set systems that work in our favor like setting a timer to do just a little a day and reward yourself when you complete something even if it’s a small task!
A change of scenery helps, like having a “zone” just for work and hobbies. Or going to a quiet area with seating in public.
@@katego370 that 30 minutes to cram thing is very relatable. Only when a deadline was close, I would jam info into my brain or finally finish something. It stopped working for me at some point too lol 🥲
High-school is often traumatizing. Trying to fit in is a thousand times more pressing, and distracting, so ya, it raised my stress and destroyed my previous "easy genious mode" too.
Great content. But it would have helped to show time stamps for us with concentrations problems;)
yeah literally i have adhd and i’m trying to watch but this is so boring
@@dustyficus I find that if I have a mindless/robotic task to complete like dishes or laundry I can play something in the background and it’s easier for me to grasp bits and pieces vs. sitting and trying to get the whole audio in one try
@@MissShellBelle1 I like drawing when listening helps!! But I often need to rewind bc I suddenly realize that I missed the last two minutes for example hehe but I don't find things as boring as without drawing... Or something similar...
May I suggest watching a 2x speed? It helps me stay engaged when the talks aren't scripted.
@@Mitashade you are absolutely right!! It helps , usually 1.25 times faster is my go to!! 💪😎
I moreover can't help but clarifying that too many official studies are still made by "experts" that have no personal involvement with the subjects, they are very often neurotypicals with no other understanding than being experienced in external observations filtered on their own models of interpretation so that despite the fact that they are the ones that are officially recognized, this very same people tend to be the less likely to have an actual valid expertise.
This is an excellent lecture on ASD in girls, by a woman who studied and worked in ASD for years before she discovered she also has ASD. Full of useful insights.
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@@elmienw thank you!
BINGO
I totally agree with you.
@@elmienw this was such an interesting video, thank you for sharing!
I'm 38 years old and didn't get an ADHD diagnosis until I was 19, this makes sense since most people at the time though you had to be physically hyperactive and I wasn't. When I was 27 I was in therapy and being medicated for ADHD and expressed my concern that I was on the spectrum because x,y,z... and the Dr. laughed at me. He said because I could talk to him and look him in the eye there was no way I could be on the spectrum.
I still think I am! I have never attempted to pursue a diagnosis since, honestly I'm afraid of being shot down again. This information is so helpful and validating!
i am 37 and do look people in the eye. i have a kind of "officially high probabillity of autism" diagnosis, and in 1 month a diagnostic routine for adhd. i suspect i have both. th emore I read, th emore I think my grandma had it, passed it on to my dad and my uncles. and my mother has clearly add. alcohol abuse is kinda normal in our family, one brother killed himself, everybody is fucked up and down on his luck. I bealive this madness has a system. and the system isnt named "you are just lazy". so, trust your senses. my aunt is a psychiatrist, and she doesnt believe me for shit.
Wow, that's dismissive as hell. I'm sorry that happened.
@my first and last I think you're right. The more I learn about ASD co-existing with ADHD the more I think it explains my existence. 38 year old me is better at expressing myself and more confident than I was at 27. I feel like I have more insight now. Maybe it's worth pursuing again.
@@obelixpfeifenreiniger2863 As a kid I was definitely told I was lazy and suffered tremendously in school both socially and academically. I just couldn't cope. I think a lot of women in our age range with these things just fell through the cracks. It's sad really, it's hard not to dwell on what could have been if we had the help we so desperately needed. But people didn't know. I definitely think this runs in families.
@@_lil_lil Thank you! I decided I was just awkward and weird after that. The validation of a diagnosis would mean the world to me and explain so much.
In my experience, the difference between diagnosed and undiagnosed folks is economic status. Rich kids have adhd/asd, poor kids are just mean and lazy 😒
I was lazy and needed to try harder but now I have adhd/as so I guess I'm improving?
As someone with adhd i didn’t really had significant academical problems until highschool. Like i used to make careless mistakes in tests but i mostly had good grades but since highschool i feel i can’t put up with it. And well with friendships those were always a problem...
That always happens
I had the same experience. When I was getting my ADHD diagnosis, my psychiatrist told me that for a lot of people things like school are less of an obstacle earlier in life because you naturally find them easier but it is when things start getting more complicated and you have more responsibilities that you are able to realize that you have a problem.
for a lot of people the disorders show up with puberty. that or daily life challenges make them more obvious
In my experience middle school tests were more logic based so they didn't really require much preparation and depending on your skill level did not need any prior studying to succeed at them, high school though the tests had a heavier emphasis of the knowledge aspect of the lesson which led to failure in grades for me who hasn't ever properly studied in their life, this contrast really delayed my eventual diagnosis though as in where i live which highschool you went to was determined by your middle school grades + an exam nationwide, which was also quite logic based, and i did a quite good ranking on it and got into a high ranking school, cause of this it was expected for students grades to lower since they were around the same level and teachers made the exams according to that, so my bad grades weren't really considered as bad, but it was very frustrating for me since most of the time i knew how to solve a question but the details were fuzzy like the formulas and stuff so i couldn't really do anything cause i didn't knew the specifics that you could only really learn through memorization etc. Took a lot of convincing (and a 1 failed university exam) for me to finally convince my parents to check in with a psychiatrist cause i had good grades and was not hyperactive cause i didn't go out a lot
(I don't why the fuck i wrote thid paragraph lmao im in a rambly mood)
I was the same, as I also made careless mistakes and school was something very much pushed as the most important thing, so I also thought I *had* to be good and keep trying to be good, until I overloaded myself with hard classes and nearly dropped out my last year of high school.
Learned shame is a huge factor in children- particularly females, not presenting ‘obviously’ as having ASD or ADHD. When children with these disorders are punished or marked as pathological by the authority figures in their life, they learn how to mask their symptoms through pattern observation. Tying in the fact that these disorders are extremely hereditary, it’s not too far off to assume that undiagnosed parents are particularly sensitive to their children’s poor behaviors because it triggers their sensory issues, or emotional regulatory issues, leading to more shame and undiagnosed children.
Yes 🙌
You hit the nail in the head for my childhood experience! Well as a kid my symptoms were more quirky than a concern. But once I hit late highschool to early adulthood, my behavior was unacceptable and needed to be stopped
Once I realized my behaviors were socially embarrassing and unacceptable, I tried to hide them and develop major depression and generalized anxiety disorder. Regardless of my recent ADHD diagnosis, I still struggle daily with the two. I think early diagnosis would have prevented that
As of read/listened many adult womens ADHD stories I feel like the actual questionnaire and process for testing isn't that great. many important points (reoccurring in most womens stories) are left out and not talked about at all among medicals dealing with ADHD patients. for example that you must have had difficulty learning and focusing before the age of 12. For many that are seeking diagnosis later in life they might not remember what people did/said what you did in that time. Also In younger years regarding learning difficulty, many subjects are really easy and when you are fortunate enough to have a teacher that can make everything interesting then it's even harder to spot. Many smarter girls just wing it in earlier education and the problems start to arise later. For example hyperfocus on subjects and if they have curious nature they just pick things up along the way, homework is quite less and fast to do (overcompensating starts later when the exercises get harder and need more time and attention). So they take 2 hours instead of 1 that it would take others of the same intelligence.When it gets even harder ie. subjects they don't care about or bigger projects, long essays then they just learn to overcompensate or give up (because the work in itself for a normal person would take 5hours and for ADHD it would take double). and put much more effort and time into for example studying something. Afterwards talking to peers they often feel confused of how others seem to have so much free time and energy to live regularly great lives (they don't have to waste time re-reading and re-focusing). But at the same time from the outsiders viewing the person everything seems okay (they don't know how much time or energy was spent to keep it together or to hand in that work etc). I think the questionnaires and formal information regarding ADHD should be upgraded. In my country psychiatrists and psychologists seem to think that it's mostly a children's problem and if you are somewhat smart (and seem to be doing well even though you are really just overcompensating and hiding parts of your life) than you cannot simply have ADHD. Sad
This lecture describes both my life, and that of my daughter. I didn’t get my diagnosis till after the second time we got her evaluated. Then there were the side effects of the medications, which were indeed worse for her than anticipated by her doctors. In retrospect, They were bad enough to contribute to our child being removed from our home for a week by CPS, because “obviously someone must be abusing her.” (Untrue.) There are still consequences from those actions, 17 years later. I am still angry at those who saw the reaction to the initial medications, and chose to call CPS rather than having a conversation with us. Those people destroyed our lives, and permanently damaged our daughter.
I hope that the results of this work will save future girls from a similar fate.
I feel so seen and heard by the comment above. I don't know if I'll ever be diagnosed with autism, but I'm pretty confident that I have it. I've been diagnosed with ADHD tho, and I fit your description to a T. I wish my signs were recognized sooner, I would have to suffer for so long.
You basically wrote a summary of life. School was really easy until I got to college. I was smart and could recognize patterns easily so I didn't really have to study. I felt like I was cheating because I was getting good grades by throwing projects together at the last minute while knowing my friends worked really hard on theirs and we were getting comparable grades. So when I got to college my old methods didn't work anymore and it became very obvious that I was behind and everybody else had organizing, planning and studying skills that I just did not have.
@@santanat4988 yuppp. The old coping (with whatever ) methods don't work with adulting anymore.
@@bokillian9147 first of all you're off topic ..second of all you shouldn't be hacking anyone's passwords..that's not ok. If you suspect anything then you talk about it and if needed to be you break up. But sneaking behind your gf and hacking passwords is abusive even if you have "a reason" to be suspecting sth. Healthy relationship does not contain hacking each others stuff.
Quick correction that is vitally important. At 3:56 criteria C for ASD is listed incompletely. Dr. Miller forgot the last part which states "(but may not become fully manifest until social demands exceed limited capacities, or may be masked by learned strategies in later life)."
I have inattentive type, but also relate to talking loads, interrupting and having trouble waiting for my turn(or even not raising my hand in class and just blurting it out). Teachers have been so mad at me for that...
Me too the presentation changes across the lifespan
Has there been work looking into the effects of complex trauma on women/girls with ADHD and/or ASD and trauma-related disorders such as PTSD and DID? I ask because my family has a lot of mental illnesses in the family and I underwent a lot of complex trauma and my older brother, who also went through a lot, was diagnosed with ADHD and medicated for it when he was 5 years old. As an adult he still suffers w a lot of the typical hyperactive symptoms whereas for me, my symptoms were most characterized by social anxiety, generalized anxiety and depression all of which I have been recently diagnosed with along with PTSD. Upon finally starting trauma therapy I noticed that as a child I started reading/writing earlier than my peers and also had issues with making friends and keeping friends. Granted there was a lot of confusing trauma happening at the same time but I feel those effects today with difficulty forming and maintaining friendships (except for my longtime boyfriend).
So, what I’m getting at is I think I may have always had some time of adhd and/or be on the spectrum on top of having adopted a lot of dissociation coping mechanisms to the point of also having a dissociation disorder.
I’m curious about this too. I’ve expressed the difficulties I’ve had to loved ones and they, without missing a beat, explain it away based on the trauma I’ve been through. I can’t keep telling them “no you don’t understand!”
Thank you for highlighting this, Natalie. I hope UC Davis Mind Institute reads your comment. ASD and ADHD is highly heritable, and I suspect there may be a strong correlation between abusive behaviour and undiagnosed or untreated ASD and/or ADHD. Sensory overwhelm, impulsivity, difficulties self-soothing or with emotional regulation can be an explosive combination in people who have struggled to fit in during school or in life in general, and are then faced with the demands of parenthood, particularly when parenting children who also have ASD and/or ADHD who can be noisy and challenging. So it makes complete sense to me that you can have trauma and ADHD and ASD.
I can also identify on a personal level - I have ASD and ADHD, a dad who had ASD and a mum with ADHD & ASD. My dad was abusive, I married a man who was abusive (and who also has undiagnosed ASD & ADHD) and I have two children with the conditions. I also have trauma and dissociative symptoms. My ADHD diagnosis and subsequent treatment (medication and therapy), as well as recognition by the diagnosing psychiatrist that I have a high likelihood of having ASD, has really helped me to get clarity and move forward, to the point where I can now get my children the support they need.
I am sorry you went through that, i hope you are finding support. I have the same thing as well as being given a cptsd diagnosis. I realized i have been using dissociation as a coping method far longer and deeper than i realized. I have blank periods but i remember them at the time if that makes sense. I would even say D.I.D would be similar except for i personally dont believe in it even tho it must exist if that also makes sense. I seem to even buy clothes that are so not me during a really stressful time.
This has really resonated with me. I’ve been diagnosed with BPD and anxiety, I deal with c-ptsd type response and have been experiencing with a lot of sensory overload issues recently. I definitely see an overlap in a lot of my symptoms but it’s hard to differentiate, especially with symptoms like disassociation.
me too!!!!!!! iim a triple diagnosis!!!! adhd asd and c ptsd
Prevalance = how the symptoms present in ways that negatively impact others around them. Boys are more likely to have outward behavioural issues which lends to them being referred for Dx. Girls tend more toward PI, which does not impact others and, subsequently, does not result in being referred for Dx. The rates are likely closer 1:1, but referrals are much more likely for those who cause distractions to family/classroom, regardless of how significant their actual symptoms are. Furthermore, the egregious lack of understanding of HF ASD (aka Aspergers) in girls has led to a large disparity in Dx between genders. This is why Dx for girls (those with HFASD/ADHD) happens in adolescence or early adulthood post breakdown/attempted suicide.There are high rates of ED, self harm and suicidal ideation in girls with both; however, the profile of these girls are still not recognized largely for what they are. I am hopeful since many in the field are now finally learning what HF ASD looks like in girls, but we are so far behind still. Note, that it took more time than it should have for researchers to realize that ASD female brains look like NT male brains, for example. This all being said, it's NT individuals who lack theory of mind.
thank you for this comment
100% agree, and it's upsetting that psychology is still so far behind. I can't help but to point out that every study I read surveys kids who are European, and we know very little about how cultural differences effect how "visible" some people's ASD/ADHD is, especially amongst black people and poc. There's so much more to be learned and developed and it's saddening, but thankfully the internet has made me learn and connect and feel valid more than ever
Asd female brain looks like NT male brain?!!then you shouldn’t have any problems since you share the same brain as half of the population! Only 1 study said that and it was retracted due to many statistical errors.
@@lama5540 I'm super lucky, so the way my ADHD + ASD work together means I can process massive amounts of information very quickly. I can type out emails for work while carrying on a conversation on the phone with no issues. My brain is like a super computer, so the biggest downfalls I have are the excessive empathy and heighted awareness. I did not see that the study I read was retracted. Do you happen to know the study you are referencing? Socially, I haven't really had issues, either, because most of my friends are guys.
Asds use a lot of conscious reasoning in areas where nts just have it "pre-wired" and so intuitive, this means that in coping with social environments asds are already much more inclined to mental exhaustion which will clearly affect the capacity for attention, memory, and others cognitive functions.
By constantly living into stressful environments asds are inclined to develop adhd as a consequential complication.
and vice versa due to exhaustion from rejection
@@elizabethbennet4791 you mean adhd developing as in a second time?
you cannot develop adhd its genetic and you are born with it
@@natalie-723 genetic doesn't means that it can't be developed, Gabor Maté is far better than me at explaining why and how, he has some good books on adhd and lots of very updated talks even around youtube
@@janlaag sorry my comment didn’t make much sense but i know genetic doesn’t mean you can’t get something later in life but specifically for adhd you cannot develop it it’s always there but it can go away later in life.
Someone still saying (in the beginning) that the ratio is 4/5-1 boys - girls? 🤔 I thought we moved past that long ago? Is it even worth listening to this, I wonder
Kind of. In my country in they still believe that it's a boy thing lol
This whole video…idk. It was a “yeah…I guess…not really…” type of video. lol
It’s 1:1 so this is completely outdated
@@femme_fatalist that’s true diagnosed with Aspergers at age 23 and ADHD Inattentive this year at age 40. My symptoms would have been more combined type in childhood. I’m in Australia and yes women are overlooked because of research bias on males in both conditions
I found this super interesting and relatable. Thank you for your hard work, it's sad to see there aren't many studies for women affected by autism and ADHD.
I have an official ADHD diagnosis with alot of comorbidities such as OCD, GAD, ecc…I think (I’m 99,9% sure) I’m on the ASD spectrum, too, but the doctors who made my ADHD assessment said no. But I’m sure I am. Can’t explain any further. The place where I got diagnosed is an ADHD center, so I think I’ll go make an ASD assessment in a specialized center. Unfortunately here in Italy we have much work to do about mental health awareness, especially about ADHD. I’m 35 years old and got diagnosed last year!!! A lifetime feeling like an alien, but better late than never… 😰
I feel bad for you
@@CaraRamzi thanks for the advice
Great discussion and definitely needed. I think many of us question this when hearing terms such as ADHD and autism
ADHD is massively overdiagnosed in the US and Autism is perhaps slightly.
@@alanberkeley7282 Not in girls and women it isn’t
No one will listen to me or help me receive diagnosis - simply told I have anxiety and depression for years and years. How do I find help that understands my presentation of these disorders as a woman may be different? I feel lost.
Sad. This video is new but info is old at places women are as likely to have it as men, just underdiagnosed.
Yeah, the “some people actually don’t grow out of it!” Well, no one does, there are a few that improve to the point they function well enough to not worry about it, but plenty of people get worse!!
Hi. I have a question. Here’s background: As a 24 y/o woman who was diagnosed ADHD at 16 (after a decade of teachers suggesting ADD/ADHD screenings to my religious/not science focused parents) I now believe I am on the spectrum. I have always had suspicions of this because of hyperfixations, sensitivity to stimulus and frequently being “rude” by stating harsh truths rather than being amicable and easygoing but I basically gaslight myself out of it because of the anti-science, pro-personal-responsibility mentality that I was raised under. I often feel guilt that I am looking for an excuse for being dysfunctional. My life has been severely affected by my interpersonal relationships and poor decision making/time management/emotional reactivity/misinterpreting body language and social cues. I have a lot of shame surrounding this topic but I know deep down it was not a choice I made, but a setback I’ve faced. I’m also an amazing communicator (NOW) because I have to adapt and I interpret conversations analytically rather than empathetically. I’ve always had issues with eye contact but have actively tried to make it but I’m unable to retain eye contact and listen to someone at the same time. My question is how would I go about distinguishing between the two, and how a potential ASD diagnosis could benefit me and my self awareness??? Or are these symptoms simply ADHD as it’s gone untreated? My ADHD medication (on vyvanse 16-18 and then recently on sertraline) helps with planning and numbing emotional/anxiety responses but always (even on non-stimulants) leads to extreme hyperfixation and exacerbate OCD symptoms. I’m not good at routines as I never had any growing up but now often spend hours upon the day trying to implement systems to improve my routines(on notion and other task/habit apps) and when I’m off schedule or in a messy house I am very sensitive and unable to function. I know I have ADHD because I get intense momentary adrenaline rushes/despair and feel real results from ADHD medications. Do my side effects of my meds confirm my suspicions of ASD? Honestly I feel like I already know but with these being comorbid, I just want solutions. I know diagnoses are treatment oriented and I just want to understand myself enough to function. But with the wave on social media of ASD/ADHD/tourettes info I often feel like I’m playing pretend. Do ADHD people mask as often as those on the spectrum or is that an indication of my own ASD??
Girl, you might as well have written my diary. I feel so lucky that I got my ADHD diagnosis before TikTok was invented or else I'd have been gaslighting myself on the same grounds. I'm also just starting to gather my own evidence/counter-evidence for the spectrum as my therapist (not licensed to diagnose) suggested it as a possibility and gave me assessments that strongly affirmed the presence of autistic traits. I had always considered them "personal quirks" so this was a bit of a mind warp.
She encouraged me to not obsess over this as diagnosis, and instead treat it as just more information. A lot of the advice for mild to moderate autism and adhd is the same, almost to the letter. I think the sensory/relation to others stuff is the relevant distinction, even though "pure" ADHD has some of it too. Ultimately what I'm trying to do is take an honest look at my life and try to identify: where has it been damaging for me to not be conscious of my potentially autistic traits? For me the obvious answer is within relationships and work. My masking is out of control and I'm just now barely beginning to experiment with being honest with people about my boundaries, rather than stick with my forever motto of "adapt, adapt, adapt, be cheery always, be there for others at all times even if you literally can't absorb their words anymore bc you're so desperate for a solitude break, just smile and nod".
I've also been cocky and inaccurate with my assumptions of how well I can read people. I've been mystified and hurt by personal and work relationships that were really intense at one point just gently melting away, leaving me wondering what I've done wrong. I wonder how much more empowered I could be if I just explained to people from the get go that they're going to need to say what they mean and mean what they say if they want to have something good with me. It's painful, but it's a journey! I think it's about striking a balance between validating your needs and differences and not letting a diagnosis or name become your entire identity. If you know you have an issue with xyz stimuli then you don't need anyone to agree or disagree, it's your mind and body. I know diagnosis is validating, but ultimately it is both inaccessible to many people and limited in its scope. Unless you need an exemption or something for school, but in an American workplace supervisors are required by law to give reasonable accommodation- they may request an assessment by a licensed mental health therapist but it does NOT have to be from a psychologist licensed to diagnose.
I found some really good videos regarding ASD in girls and women by Sarah Hendrickx. You may find them helpful as well.
I do want to say that I really don't like that P.h.D.'s keep saying or implying that the way you must treat a person with ADHD is with medication. Don't get me wrong, medication is a great tool for many ADHDers to help them juggle their symptoms in everyday life, but this talk of "the best treatment for a child with ADHD is medication" is destructive and disrespectful. It basically says that you just have to put an ADHDer on medication and they'll conform to society's norm like a neurotypical person. The problem is, it does NOT address the nature of that person, nor does it respect it. You must FIRST help a person or parent to understand how exactly their attention deficit affects them, otherwise, you're just covering things up which results in all kinds of mental health problems later on (a story many ADHDers know all too well.) Instead of focusing on how you can make a neurodivergent child or adult conform to a flawed society's expectations, can we please put all our focus, resources, and energy on helping (parents of) ADHDers navigate the world in their own weird and wonderful ways? Let's not forget that some of the most influential achievements have been by ADHDers, not despite their neurodiversity but BECAUSE of it. We have historically served a major role to the benefit of society yet in the moment, we're contemporaneously dismissed. There is so much extreme pressure on us to be "normal enough" to be accepted and one of the ways is by professionals just saying "take medication". Teaching people that we need to up our tolerance for neurodivergent people in a respectful way instead of dismissing them would go a long way to decreasing the number of ADHDers with all kinds of inferiority complexes and disguised social anxiety.
Excellent 👍
@PRISTINE JOEL Science diagrees with that "doctor". I'm sure he's made some nice profits of his "science" though.
Ugh I still can't understand the difference between what JUST autism in females vs what comorbid autism and ADHD in females looks like.
I've been diagnosed with ADHD but I've suspected ASD for a few years now. But without concrete representation/ examples of what comborid ADHD and ASD in females looks like, I can't friggin figure it out 😫
These difference boil down to diagnostic criteria. In nature (= reality) neither ADHD nor ASD exists. What exists are certain neurological and neurodevelopmental particularities that can manifest in ways that clinical psychologists and psychiatrists refer to as ADHD or ASD. Sometimes it's clearly one or the other, sometimes it's not possible to draw a clear distinction, since diagnostic criteria of both disorder constructs are present.
theres so much information out there wth kids with adhd and autism.. need more focas on adults im late diagnosed i need to learn more and its hard coz everyone just focasses on stuff thats obvious with kids. O_O
It absolutely HAS been the case that women and girls, think of them as adults NOW, who were AND ARE ignored and undiagnosed.
With all the women "experts" in the field, you'd think they'd be doing something about that but nah, just forget about them and they don't show up in your radar to be bothered by. THAT'S what is happening. Nearly FOUR generations of women alive right now whose autism and/or adhd are unsupported and ignored.
It's always about the money and lack of research
It is definitely under diagnosed in females. I had to wait 35 years even though I had obvious symptoms as a kid.
Parents are seeing more in their daughters because girls are better at masking at a younger age, but they feel comfortable at home and can take their mask off.
Being fully diagnosed with ADHD and boarderline personality disorder which I was never sure of it didn’t fit my issues I know who I am I’m just very isolated, and it’s okay yet I have social issues im literal I don’t understand certains so l’ai behaviors of others and relationships are so hard for me to carry on, been engaged three times ran away and when I feel uncomfortable with anyone who has hurt me I kinda stop engaging and go silent. Gosh this made cry. I’m very high functioning but now I know why at work they give me what I need and put me in the corner great employee no social understanding of the latter approach I talk to anyone who I feel can fix the work issues ASAP because I follow the policy and procedures by the book!
All medications for ADHD hurt ASD or just stimulants. I have ADHD with some ASD markers but Strattera helps me a lot, with emotional regulation that is but stimulates have pesky heart rate increases and make me forget to eat longer than I already did.
It isn't about lack of attentiveness... it is the opposite. they are OVERLY attentive to TOO MUCH stimuli, and can't make normal connections from it.
The only reason I think I got an ADHD diagnosis in middle school is because I never got good grades despite being given the second highest intellectual capability score in my class in elementary school (the kid who was first skipped a grade, I however GOT HELD BACK a year in high school).
I think I might have ASD because my sister is autistic, but I was kinda popular in high school so idk if I don't have it or am just super great at masking... was given a test by a psychologist to see if I might have ASD and my score fell into the "MAY have ASD" score, so didn't really find out anything, plus a lot of it could be explained away by ADHD anyway.
I have both ADHD and ASD. I got diagnosed with both disorders later in life and I don’t even know where to begin to tell you how life has been…it’s frustrating that there aren’t many resources for adults.
This is so important thank you for making this informational accessible
A very coherent and well presented evidence based studies. Thank you
Finally my concerns are being laid to rest with the new information coming out about both these disorders. Thanks for the video!
I'm 24 and struggling to get diagnoses for asd and adhd because I camoflauged and internalized my symptoms too much or too well.
At 26 I was finally diagnosed for asd and adhd. Depression and anxiety have been well known in me. But now I'm thinking the root of those two started from the shame and trauma of growing up without a diagnosis or support for adhd and asd.
@PRISTINE JOEL I took those and it gave me hyper-autism.
I would like to say that autism spectrum isn't a disorder, it a gift for without aspergers brains we would have the technology advancements we have today.
This is really good information. Thank you for presenting this.
As someone who is an adult female with ADHD and Autism. This shit hard 😩 lol
I understand exactly what you going through, I'm writing from Canada! I used Dr isibor natural herbal calming remedies and body cleanser for my autistic daughter with ADHD. It works! no side effects my daughter behaves normal now..
@@teresakathryn1559 are you a troll? you're views are damaging.
Great content- I was FINALLY (in my mid 40's) diagnosed with severe ADHD (now Medicated-it helps with the ADHD but not the "Spectrum" portion (Anxiety specifically I find) ...), but struggle to get an Autism Diagnosis (I have one grown child with unmedicated ADHD .....and a young one with diagnosed (and now medicated)...with BOTH ADHD and AUtism)....I would LOVE to see someone further research the connection IM seeing (In alot of very VERY large groups) between Autism and ADHD ...AND Narcissistic Abuse ..(There is a firm "Histrionic" component..Im wondering at the genetic components???... as alot of these folks HAVE a narcissistic caregiver or parent in their life.... BUT Im seeing ALOT of neurodiverse folks who HAVE a narcissistic biological PARENT ...(as we look for "Causes")....(as...we seem to be groomed by the family system to then FIND these folks for marriage and relationships...and due to our deficits are exploited and targeted often). Thanks for this..very informative!..#DebsCornerCanada
❌️ Female here, 58 y/o, and for me, my ADHD, and ASD tend to contradict each other. All day long, my brain is playing tug of war. Usually the ADHD part is more dominant - It's EXHAUSTING, and I need to take naps, and no matter if I do or not, i still have a challenge sleeping well at night!!! 🌷❌️
The percentage range being so wide is due to the complexity involved here, none the less there are definitely foundational parameters that we know at this stage of our knowledge to be able to more precisely differentiate ..
Although I believe that ADHD, Autism, Bi-polar , schizophrenia are along a spectrum .
Epi genetics also play a role in how these genes present or translate..
Complexity ..
Wow, it's been a year since this was posted here and it's really wrong about a lot of stuff.
I just turned 55 and I can’t find a provider to assess me. Also had several practitioners saying they can’t take my word of my childhood experiences and chalenges
How can I get a diagnosis without spending thousands of dollars? Anyone?
Move to any other developed country
If you live in the Oklahoma area, (thought I’m not entirely sure, they may also have services out of state as well) look up focused adult. The process is easy and only $200 atm.
@@livb6945 It may not be that simple. I can schedule a test without it costing anything in Alberta, but I would have to wait 2 1/2 years for an appointment. Instead, I will pay about $1,400.
@@coreycox2345 That is still much better than the $3000 to $5000 cost for an assessment here in the US. And if you’re willing to wait a couple of years, at least you can have the cost covered. The US may be a “developed country,” but greed and corporate profit is the driving force -through aggressive lobbying and massive campaign funding- that shapes policy affecting everyday lives. *We are deeply flawed* and the most vulnerable pay the price.
This is super helpful! I do wonder when this conversation will branch out to transgender and nonbinary autistic folks though
I'm trying to figure myself out and just doing guesswork of "I guess I was socialized as a woman... so will my symptoms be that of autistic women?" is overwhelming
Besides, many trans people are autistic statistically
I read a comment once of a trans guy who had an autism diagnosis before transitioning, who said his presentation of symptoms changed when he started taking hormones, into the more typical symptoms associated with (male) autism. Obviously this is just anecdotal, but maybe interesting to know?
I think while it's useful to know that autism is more likely to present in a specific way with a specific gender, no sets of traits should be gendered. There are always going to be outliers in cis cases, and non binary and trans cases can't fit in a box that doesn't exist (the solution isn't to make a new box but to look at an individual's traits and needs!). Yo Samdy Sam has a good video on this exact topic (it's called something like "I was wrong about autism in girls")
@@helenm1085 thank you! I’ll look that video up right now
As Helen brought out traits aren't exactly gendered. Everyone has a different brain and personality so even if some traits are seen mostly in a certain gender it doesn't mean that is always the case.
For example my best friend and I are both ciswomen with adhd. She's very talkative and never hesitates to interrupt (hyperactive) while I have always been quiet and in my own world (inattentive).
Its been noted by doctors that those with a uterus are more likely to experience elevated adhd symptoms during the end of the menstrual cycle. I just had the thought of if certain hormones play a part in how a neurodivergent disorder can present itself since we all produce the same hormones just in varying levels. Just one more area that needs further research....
this is a fantastic overview!
How does CPTSD affect those with ASD?
They’re often co-morbid since many people develop cPTSD from how the world lacks an understanding and empathy for people with ASD.
Why is there no talk of trauma and how that can affect neurodevelopment??
It probably isn't male predominant, it's just the 20% of of females who present similarly to how males typically do are the ones that most often get their diagnosis, and the other 80% get diagnosed sometimes but rarely
No it's because it's extremely rare for women to have autism. It's also doesn't affect them as much in society as much as it does men.
Autism is definitely more common in males but ADHD is nearly equal, but still more males.
It would be great to know what study it was about ADOS and ADI-R. Also, how did those pariticipants get the diagnosis (also based mostly on ADOS or ADI-R?). And how young were they? If they included mostly more obvious cases, then no wonder there are no big differences. In my clinical experiences, ADOS and ADI-R can miss a lot of information, especially in girls, but also in some boys, it depends a lot how well is the information collected.
THIS INFO REPRESENTS VERY DATED AND NARROW UNDERSTANDING OF AUTISM.
I tried to listen and really wanted to but I have high anxiety to noise. Her smacking her lips or tongue was too loud and I could not concentrate. I’d love to learn the freedom for my auditory anxiousness but too many people slurp coffee, smack lips, put the accent too high on the final word in the sentence. Any advice would be great.
Ask an ADHD expert
I feel I might have both.
You definitely can have I do
I live in Maryland, In my 40’s and female. I have several diagnosis (autism, adhd, sensory processing disorder, schizoaffective, panic disorder & substance abuse disorders). I was once diagnosed with ptsd and have been called ocd many times thru life. I’m having problems at this moment more than any other time in life and really would like inpatient help and re-assessments to make sure diagnosis & medication are sufficient. I would like to possibly have the diagnosis above narrowed down. Do you have any suggestions of inpatient treatment centers around the country that would be a great fit for what I’m needing? Thank you very much
Perhaps talk about it with your general practitioner/doctor :)
My therapist thinks I have a form of autism and although I know I have a lot of similarities the main reason I think I dont is because I’m the opposite of taking language in a literal way. I am when it’s others using language that they’ve established in the social world bc I’m out of the loop, but I’m obsessed with poetry and can analyze metaphors and similes easily. I also write poetry a lot and sometimes will speak too metaphorically for people where they don’t understand what I’m saying. Does anyone know if this means I’m not autistic? Is taking things literally a foundation for autism?
No, taking things literally is not a universal autism thing, although it is a fairly common autistic trait. My guess is poetry is a special interest of yours, making it easier for you to understand metaphors. I also love metaphors and one of my special interests is the English language as a whole, so I don't really take things that literally either. Every person's autism appears differently, so while one person takes things literally, another person might struggle more with body language. Don't throw away the idea that you might be autistic just because you don't show one stereotypical autistic trait.
Your verbal gifts can be part of autism. Social language is very different. With poetry, you are creating art. With social language, knowing how to check if one is connecting to another is essential. This disconnect is common in autism.
19:50 discussion of autism in females
Im 35 years old i have adhd autism and anxiety with borderline personality disorder im very Intelligent creative and people say im funny but i get hurt and angry when people laugh at me, i love music i play the drums, but i exercise alot because exercise helps my brain, and i take concerta for impulse control and my mental health njrse doeant want me dring my car when i cant concentrate, because i drove past stop amd go road works three times, i get sensory overload and overthink things alot, but doing dbt skills therapy
I have both, it makes life difficult for sure..
Thank you Meghan!
I have both lmao The only reason why I figured it out is because I felt like an alien amongst everyone that’s how I knew something was different up there. I guess because I’m an intellectual that’s why I went undiagnosed for so long
I think ADHD is and should be considered on the autism microspectrum
She’s great with her examples but she smacks her lips when she’s talking and I can’t focus. It’s making my skin hurt. Just me? Ok 😅
Oh damn I hadn't noticed and now it's all I can focus on 😓
Interesting that you picked up on that. I wish there was a group like this so I could understand my daughter better and how to help her. She is highly sensory and has both conditions. I wonder if she feels like this.
At 10 months old my daughter had a stroke. At 6 she was diagnosed with adhd then later autism. And I'm need more info to understand them. My noe ex husband and I both have adhd
I thought ADHD and Autism Spectrum disorders were not mental illnesses but neurological?😮
Me okay I was only put up at school because I got to big for the seats I had no trouble making and keeping friends. I struggled with every thing except speech reading and writing .quite normal not brilliant. What is wrong with me. Add fits me but I'm organised. Even as a small child. I have a weird ass long term memory. Short term memory is pretty Crabby
omfg....IT IS NOT MORE COMMON IN THE MALE GENDER.....ITS PRETTY FUCKING EQUAL MAAM 😤 😒 🙄
I have severe ADHD ( Combined type) ( my treatment is 30mg Adderall twice a day)
I am on the Autism Spectrum Disorder as well.
36 Year Old Female
Thanks
I would love a comment on what I have shared
Need 21st century data, not 1930’s data. It’s almost a century ago!
What’s the recent data for girls and women?
Most of this has been collated in “the dark age” of psychology! More study is needed if it’s this weak. That’s a shame! Thought it would have improved more at this point! You need to talk to people not books.
what is the study mentioned at 26:24 ?
im both
ANYONE PUT IT AT 1.75-2 speed? AAAAAAAAAAAA
MEEE! She’s talking so damn slow………. Ahhhh
Ita hard to listen and focus on Megan bc she doesn't use her voice effectively, but thank you
I have autism and adhd, I only know some girls with autism. or add.
Can you tell me a little more about yourself? It's so hard to find a female with both, I can't compare my experiences. I have ADHD. suspected autism for a few years. But never could find a provider until recently, so I'm on the waitlist for an evaluation. But anyway, I would love to hear about your experience
@@SavageThrifter I found out that i have autism and adhd when I was 18. so it was very late. and i am just now realisering my childhood and how it was different from other kids
I was listening to an interview a couple of years ago. The guest was a child developmental counselor or something like that. The topic was children diagnosed with ADHD in France compared to in the U.S. The amount of French children who are diagnosed with ADHD is significantly lower than American children and the discussion of diet and culture was the focus. Basically, the diet of each is significantly different. American children have a terrible, High in sugar, fat, and preservatives compared to french children. Then they went on to compare American children are less active, sit at home in front of TV or some kind of gaming device compared to french children. Very interesting maybe you can look for the interview or read something about it because I may have got the details little mixed up or not exactly correct but it was very interesting nonetheless so it’s it’s really something to ponder
Neuroscientists have multiple studies that confirm that too much screen time can increase ADHD symptoms and even give ADHD symptoms to children previously not displaying them. Furthermore, trauma's that are not dealt with properly can induce ADHD symptoms in children and adults as well.
Since we diagnose mostly on symptoms (only thing we have right now), that could play a part in the differences between countries.
@@MimouFirst actually phone/screen addiction and adhd go hand in hand since those with adhd we seek stimulation and the phone gives us the dopamine we need.
@@MimouFirst What studies?
well maybe they just dont know about adhd.
I had an impeccable diet for awhile but it just made me lose my friends due to becoming obsessive about it and the gym, and I probably missed out on some great life experiences because I was too anxious to eat "dirty" foods if I didn't have a kitchen and prepped meals at my disposal, such as college parties (the only ones I went to were related to clubs I was literally part of ie water polo or LGBTQA staff, also I didn't drink, like at all). Now that I'm not doing that any more and have had a few years of eating more "normally", I've concluded it's not worth sacrificing my mental health and my entire life for maybe a 1% edge I'd have by "eating clean" (whatever the f that means, our nutritional understanding is always changing every 5-10 years).
Very informative, but in the interest of being "professional," quite dry.
I don't mean any offense to the speaker, but I'm so sick of this institutionalized academic approach that keeps resources imprisoned in colonialism, upholding the medical-industrial complex. The academic model is abusive to students, grad students, researchers, assistants, even professors and especially patients. All of this language is so sterilized that dramatic translation is required for personal application. WE ARE NEITHER DATA NOR SUBJECTS. We are complex animals who deserve to be treated as sentient, autonomous members of our group, sometimes called "humanity".
(I say "sometimes called humanity" in recognition of the english language construct of "humanism" that is by no means universal. Not sarcasm... just to be clear.)
BUT......we learn by the scientific method.....that means keeping emotions out of the "Thing"....till we know what is happening in the Universe and ourselves
I think we should be grateful for any interest in Us.....grateful not to have our heads smashed in and being left on the side of the road, when we are young
Close. We're all considered "objects"... Same difference.
Can't sit through this
Dang. 🎉
The vocal tic "tsk" make this really hard to listen to "tsk" Do you ever listen to your own speech? "tsk" "tsk" It's endless... "tsk" onwards to find a better video "tsk"
It’s not a tic, it’s between phrases or sentences, but I agree it’s annoying
I understand exactly what you going through, I'm writing from Canada! I used Dr isibor natural herbal calming remedies and body cleanser for my autistic daughter with ADHD. It works! no side effects my daughter behaves normal now..
ASD and ADHD are not real things, but descriptions of real phenomena. ADHD and ASD as constructs partially describe the very same natural phenomena, they partially refer to the same real thing.
@@2434-k3l They are constructs that attempt to describe observable phenomena, but the phenomena are not bound to the taxonomic and semantic limitations and shortcomings of the constructs we use to describe and classify them (= models, theories, definitions). Meaning: if we use a certain taxonomy (eg ICD-10) to create a comprehensive classification of disorders, this is just a tool. But the tool itself is not equivalent to the phenomena is attempts to encompass. Nature doesn't know ADHD or ASD or any other of these terms. And certainly nature doesn not separate disorders of the brain according to such categories. Symptoms of ADHD, ASD and various other constructs we invented can occur and manifest simultaneously and often it's not even clear if two constructs used to describe conditions are even really two separate things in nature. For example: it's rather arbitrary to draw a line between introversion, social anxiety and avoidant-personality. All three can describe the same natural phenomenon. Sure, there are some differences in the diagnostic criteria used, but then again they mostly boil down to severity, which again is rather arbitrary and subjective.
@@esahm373 Not even knowing the causes, it's not fully possible to give concrete definitions. It's going to keep evolving as research and understanding increases. I hope to find out what links autism, adhd and connective tissue disorders!
@@shorelined1 Well, I would think of all of them as disorders / abnormalities in the way the brain processes information. This can be decreased or increased signalling in certain neural circuit involved in everyday human activities such as social interaction. Injury to the same areas after accidents, brain tumors and their resection or other pathologies can mimic the symptoms, but people with Autism just happen to be born with a brain that has an abnormal state in circuitry by default, just as other people are born with other abnormalities in other parts of the body.
theyre the same thing
No
It's WAY to trendy to label people with the latest popular diagnosis.
You lost me when you started talking about comorbidity. I'm tired of being considered a statistic and/or having a disease...
But Thats "WHAT" it is....are you dreaming ????