@@coralreef909 "appropriating another culture" yeah some deranged western SJWs might say that if it was a white kid playing a black composer's music but it's incredibly stupid on so many levels.
@@coralreef909 You should remark how europeans since decades are trashing their culture instead of complaining about asian people getting into touch with it.
@@coralreef909 Huh? Rachmaninoff is Russian None of them are Russian You have very narrowed mind. Good music is good expression of human beings, it's universal.
Like Barenboim said: “Either the child goes and the prodigy remains, or the prodigy goes and the child remains.” I’ve been following WenYu Shen’s story for years. I’ve listened to some of his recent recordings which he made at home, and it saddens me that his ability seemed to have peaked at 16 when he won the Elizabeth award. I don’t want to be too critical of his parents (they have been blamed for causing him to end his studies in Germany prematurely, when he was only 18 and still had a lot to learn as a burgeoning pianist), but it has always made me wonder what his career trajectory would be like had he simply stayed in Hanover and finished his studies.
@@CyrusandAurelius His dad called him back to China, he was compared to LangLang and his dad thought he was good enough to be a celebrity. 😢 Well, everything actually started since beginning(Age 5), it is his fate.
@@CyrusandAureliusmy mom is Chinese and she told me that his dad threatened to divorce his mom and disown him if he didn’t come back. He was very sheltered and was not allowed to do much else besides play piano since a very young age. Nowadays he is much more humble and does good but before he was disrespectful or came off that way because he spoke mainly a dialect of Chinese, and was not really taught English or more mainstream Chinese. My mom says everyone on the Internet says his parents ruined him.
I remember finding the performance he won the QE. It was breathtaking. (He must have benefitted from some important study between this vid and the competition). Sadly that does seem to have been the peak. I knew someone in Manchester, who I first came across when he played a Mozart Concerto with an holiday orchestra I played in aged 16 (I played the oboe). He was about my age and was simply astonishing. (He played at a concert during the course: Bach, Beethoven, Chopin all played with extraordinary mastery). I saw him periodically when we attended the conservatoire there a couple of years later. Somehow he didn't really blossom. The person who took on that mantle was Stephen Hough who was pretty low key until he played Brahms 2 in his final year. The rest is history. I looked up this pianist a couple of years ago, wondering what had become of him. He now lives in Worthing and does some recital work and chamber music. And he also plays chess. Somehow he has found a quiet, low key life involving the things he likes so maybe that is enough. His name is Francis Raynor and he does have a website which includes some audio clips of him playing. There is some astonishingly beautiful Brahms (Op118, I think).
What a privilege! Very talented. For those of you who might need it, here is a basic guide of what they're saying. Zimerman asks about the pieces Wenyu played and about his teacher, etc. From the looks of it, the maestro was only mildly impressed. He thinks that the student needs to stay longer with the pieces as they are obviously not polished yet. Zimerman then explains how his ways of teaching. Wenyu also asked if he could be his teacher. Personally, it is obvious how the student plays monotonously. His sound is unpleasant and harsh. I think Zimerman saw that. Nevertheless, he displays very good technical skills and I wish him the best of luck.
He did perform Rachmaninoff Concerto No. 3 when he was 16 in Brussels; it's available on youtube. In my humble opinion it was really quite good given the age.
Perhaps by now the once young student has learned to use expression. Bravo at his abilities as in raw talent. You can see the great Zimerman here and there inserting his expression where he would have. Only the fingering seems to be all about what the student has to impress with in this session.
Despite the short passage about the octave-glissando - where Zimermann comments on technique - he mainly asks questions about teaching (what pieces he played, how often he meets his teacher etc.) and (later on) explains his own teaching-method, when Wen-Yu asked, if he could be his student. Zimermann seems to be somewhat critical - Wen-Yu learned (and played) a lot of pieces in a short period of time - certainly, he said, not his tempo. He prefers to slow down and really focus on a piece over a long time (sometimes up to 1.5 years). That being said, I think he was impressed, but modest in his appreciation.
To even attempt the R 3 at that age is courageous. So easy to be critical. Put this boy with a top drawer orchestra and present it anonymously..... l wonder what criticisms would then come to light?
If you are interested you can check out his Rachmaninoff Concerto No. 3 performance when he was 16 in Brussels. It's available on TH-cam. In my humble opinion it was really quite good given the age.
He’s obviously not feeling the music. As a teenager myself, listening to recordings is the best way to musically mature. Zimmerman doesn’t seem too impressed either
Thanks for putting your ignorance on display for all to see. "Banging in the keys" in this manner is only possible if you're highly musical. Ofc he's not on the same level as Zimerman but this comment really goes to show that you have never even been close to this level of playing.
The student has great technique, but really lacks in musicality. The playing is rather aggressive, harsh, unmusical. I don't understand a word the teacher is saying, though.
@@hanslangendorf8105 One of the judges on America's Got Talent, who always seems to be slack-jawed with amazement at any flashy, run-of-the-mill prodigy. This kid's a mess, and I fear that the damage has already been done. My guess is that Zimerman thinks similarly.
@@lisalee62 What does age have to do with it? If you don't already have the technique for it at 16, you're not going to develop it by 18. In fact, if you don't have it at 14, you'll never play the piece.
Rach3 is one of the greatest pieces of music ever written. No wonder that young people want to score it... Technique is important but scores of young people have the technique. Let them play it for 30 years, but not in public... You need to have a good chunk of life behind you to give Rach3 justice... Martha Argerich did [ th-cam.com/video/f6vARZLkaSY/w-d-xo.html ]. Maybe because of this Zimerman decided not to record the Rach3? He knows it since the time he was a teenager. The young pianist also played Chopin... Well, he needs to listen to some Polish folk music and people who feel Chopin, like Ignaz Friedman [ th-cam.com/play/PL_-zrhZVF69NS5DXmagEMV6uoRw2X2SXU.html ] or Kate Liu (yes... yes...) [ th-cam.com/video/UMSwmDK-sTM/w-d-xo.html ], [ th-cam.com/video/e6cv_rOpeO8/w-d-xo.html ], [ th-cam.com/video/SiqzOHfndfA/w-d-xo.html ] and of course the maestro himself [ th-cam.com/users/results?search_query=Krystian+Zimerman+Chopin ]... Martha Argerich was also incredible in Chopin even when young... [ th-cam.com/users/results?search_query=Marta+Argerich+Chopin ], so it is not the "nationality thing", no... With maybe one exception... Russian pianists... They all play Mazurkas as Walzes {:-)} like if they did not know about the accent on the 3rd note, but in Etudes they are great [ th-cam.com/video/jhLunFajgwg/w-d-xo.html ] (Sokolov is one of greatest living pianists, do not get me wrong, sorry, but [ th-cam.com/video/HuPVOMH8NsQ/w-d-xo.html ] is not it).
I wonder what Maestro Zimmermann must think of this strange looking person playing the piano. He doesn’t quite look the part ? Or what’s wrong with this picture?
@The Pocket Shot, I've seen plenty of musical performances of Rach 3 by young people. Many of them have the technique to pull it off, and as for musical maturity, it depends. But it doesn't hurt to learn Rach 3 in your mid-teens or twenties, provided that you have the technique for it.
No way. WenYu had great potential as a child prodigy but his career ended prematurely due to bad decisions made by his parents. His story is honestly quite sad.
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If I had the chance to play for Zimerman, I would faint on the spot.
What a privileged of your to be able to have met the maestro.
What a rare opportunity and privilege to be taught by mastro Zimerman, whose time and experience is invaluable!
Zimerman did not really care about chinese pianist number 38.789 playing rachs bombastic concerto like it's Hanon
YO! I have been looking for this for YEARS!! Thank you so much!!
太高興再次看到這個影片了！！！！！！
Thank you for this!!!!!
Fantastic!
文裕加油，你非常优秀，太棒了。
沈老师您德语那时候就很厉害了啊哈哈才14岁那时候，我诧异的不是那时候就已经在技巧上有如此高度，主要是对音乐理解上的深度，这真的不是一个14岁的孩子应该具备的，太让人叹服了
Prodigy!
今天半夜，在美国波士顿家看油管意外地发现你在油管上有自己的频道。太为你高兴！！！！立刻订了你的频道。那一年在你们家里听你弹琴，我都记不清楚了。只记得是川剧学校的房子。特别为你高兴的是：你终于在这里有一个自己的频道。问候你的父母！！我尽力向这里的所有朋友和学生们推荐你的频道。
Man I wish there was as recording of Zimerman performing Rach 3. For a 14 yr old Wenyu Shen's performance was amazing though
Don’t they have their own music ? He’s appropriating another culture. This music doesn’t belong to them.
@@coralreef909 actually beauty and knowledge are global, without belonging to any specific culture.
@@coralreef909 "appropriating another culture" yeah some deranged western SJWs might say that if it was a white kid playing a black composer's music but it's incredibly stupid on so many levels.
@@coralreef909 You should remark how europeans since decades are trashing their culture instead of complaining about asian people getting into touch with it.
@@coralreef909 Huh?
Rachmaninoff is Russian
None of them are Russian
You have very narrowed mind.
Good music is good expression of human beings, it's universal.
Oh I just watched Ur recent Rach concerto videos I didn't realize u were the guy from the Zimmerman lesson😅
Like Barenboim said: “Either the child goes and the prodigy remains, or the prodigy goes and the child remains.” I’ve been following WenYu Shen’s story for years. I’ve listened to some of his recent recordings which he made at home, and it saddens me that his ability seemed to have peaked at 16 when he won the Elizabeth award. I don’t want to be too critical of his parents (they have been blamed for causing him to end his studies in Germany prematurely, when he was only 18 and still had a lot to learn as a burgeoning pianist), but it has always made me wonder what his career trajectory would be like had he simply stayed in Hanover and finished his studies.
interesting, I did not know the back story. Why did he have to stop studying at 18?
@@CyrusandAurelius His dad called him back to China, he was compared to LangLang and his dad thought he was good enough to be a celebrity. 😢
Well, everything actually started since beginning(Age 5), it is his fate.
@@larghedoggo9607 Thank you for letting me know.
@@CyrusandAureliusmy mom is Chinese and she told me that his dad threatened to divorce his mom and disown him if he didn’t come back. He was very sheltered and was not allowed to do much else besides play piano since a very young age. Nowadays he is much more humble and does good but before he was disrespectful or came off that way because he spoke mainly a dialect of Chinese, and was not really taught English or more mainstream Chinese. My mom says everyone on the Internet says his parents ruined him.
I remember finding the performance he won the QE. It was breathtaking. (He must have benefitted from some important study between this vid and the competition). Sadly that does seem to have been the peak.
I knew someone in Manchester, who I first came across when he played a Mozart Concerto with an holiday orchestra I played in aged 16 (I played the oboe). He was about my age and was simply astonishing. (He played at a concert during the course: Bach, Beethoven, Chopin all played with extraordinary mastery). I saw him periodically when we attended the conservatoire there a couple of years later. Somehow he didn't really blossom. The person who took on that mantle was Stephen Hough who was pretty low key until he played Brahms 2 in his final year. The rest is history. I looked up this pianist a couple of years ago, wondering what had become of him. He now lives in Worthing and does some recital work and chamber music. And he also plays chess. Somehow he has found a quiet, low key life involving the things he likes so maybe that is enough. His name is Francis Raynor and he does have a website which includes some audio clips of him playing. There is some astonishingly beautiful Brahms (Op118, I think).
What a privilege! Very talented.
For those of you who might need it, here is a basic guide of what they're saying. Zimerman asks about the pieces Wenyu played and about his teacher, etc. From the looks of it, the maestro was only mildly impressed. He thinks that the student needs to stay longer with the pieces as they are obviously not polished yet. Zimerman then explains how his ways of teaching. Wenyu also asked if he could be his teacher.
Personally, it is obvious how the student plays monotonously. His sound is unpleasant and harsh. I think Zimerman saw that.
Nevertheless, he displays very good technical skills and I wish him the best of luck.
mate it was 20 years ago lol
@@milton3204 I am aware of that. He has potential and I think Zimerman saw that as well.
He did perform Rachmaninoff Concerto No. 3 when he was 16 in Brussels; it's available on youtube. In my humble opinion it was really quite good given the age.
Very kind of you to explain what they are talking about to those unable to understand German :) Danke!!
to be fair, these are concerto piano parts without orchestra so they will sound a bit hollow
Perhaps by now the once young student has learned to use expression. Bravo at his abilities as in raw talent. You can see the great Zimerman here and there inserting his expression where he would have. Only the fingering seems to be all about what the student has to impress with in this session.
Such a virtuosity displayed, only at the age of 14. It would be nice to know what Zimerman's comments were since I don't understand German.
Despite the short passage about the octave-glissando - where Zimermann comments on technique - he mainly asks questions about teaching (what pieces he played, how often he meets his teacher etc.) and (later on) explains his own teaching-method, when Wen-Yu asked, if he could be his student. Zimermann seems to be somewhat critical - Wen-Yu learned (and played) a lot of pieces in a short period of time - certainly, he said, not his tempo. He prefers to slow down and really focus on a piece over a long time (sometimes up to 1.5 years). That being said, I think he was impressed, but modest in his appreciation.
@@d.s.5103 Thank you very much for your translation of Zimermann's comments!
He made derogatory remarks in german. LoL!
@@coralreef909 Zimerman did not make a single derogatory remark. In fact, he rather enjoyed Wenyu Shen's performance.
To even attempt the R 3 at that age is courageous. So easy to be critical. Put this boy with a top drawer orchestra and present it anonymously..... l wonder what criticisms would then come to light?
If you are interested you can check out his Rachmaninoff Concerto No. 3 performance when he was 16 in Brussels. It's available on TH-cam. In my humble opinion it was really quite good given the age.
well prepraed to meet the master
He’s obviously not feeling the music. As a teenager myself, listening to recordings is the best way to musically mature. Zimmerman doesn’t seem too impressed either
看这个视频，更加觉得沈文裕真的是配得上伤仲永这三个字。
真的好可惜，他完全有能力和實力站在世界鋼琴舞台，當初到底發生什麼事了
本来是罕见的少年天才，但音乐上还很稚嫩就过早结束学业回国了。马友友的父亲说说三代培养一个音乐家，这话真是不假。
Music is one thing, dexterously banging in the keys is another; the former implies the latter but not vice versa.
Thanks for putting your ignorance on display for all to see. "Banging in the keys" in this manner is only possible if you're highly musical. Ofc he's not on the same level as Zimerman but this comment really goes to show that you have never even been close to this level of playing.
Music school still looks the same
wonderful, Krystian knows chords of orchestra -)
Una pena que no esté subtitulado al español. Parecería que a los latinoamericanos no nos tuviesen en cuenta.
没有必要
我看中间那几首连ZIMMERMANN本人都没学过
就听懂一个wonderbar有德语好的嘛翻译下
Mastro’s touch is very soft. Student’s touch is quite harsh and mono-tonic.
That's why he's called Maestro😎😎
Wie kann er 14 Jahre alt sein und schon Student sein?
Jungstudent….
沈文裕老师实力不亚于朗朗李云迪王羽佳 💪💪💪
Zimerman - a god.
warum koennen Niemand Ihn jetzt? was passiert? Wo ist seine Pianist Kariere? Wo ist seine Aufnamen? Hat der Welt einen groesse Pianist verloren?
The student has great technique, but really lacks in musicality. The playing is rather aggressive, harsh, unmusical. I don't understand a word the teacher is saying, though.
Give him time¡
Learn the skill when young, music can only be learned while growing.
people are literally saying *maestro* Zimmerman while you call him "the teacher" change how you address great artists like that
@@aswomebro2601 ,his sir name IS Zimerman.
Zimerman isn't exactly Howie Mandel, is he?
who is Howie Mandel ?
@@hanslangendorf8105 One of the judges on America's Got Talent, who always seems to be slack-jawed with amazement at any flashy, run-of-the-mill prodigy. This kid's a mess, and I fear that the damage has already been done. My guess is that Zimerman thinks similarly.
@@robertschaaf8606 th-cam.com/video/8moqx5WpV9Qh/w-d-xo.htmle was 16 years old
@@lisalee62 What does age have to do with it? If you don't already have the technique for it at 16, you're not going to develop it by 18. In fact, if you don't have it at 14, you'll never play the piece.
@@robertschaaf8606 what kind of bullshit is that
Rach3 is one of the greatest pieces of music ever written. No wonder that young people want to score it... Technique is important but scores of young people have the technique. Let them play it for 30 years, but not in public... You need to have a good chunk of life behind you to give Rach3 justice... Martha Argerich did [ th-cam.com/video/f6vARZLkaSY/w-d-xo.html ]. Maybe because of this Zimerman decided not to record the Rach3? He knows it since the time he was a teenager. The young pianist also played Chopin... Well, he needs to listen to some Polish folk music and people who feel Chopin, like Ignaz Friedman [ th-cam.com/play/PL_-zrhZVF69NS5DXmagEMV6uoRw2X2SXU.html ] or Kate Liu (yes... yes...) [ th-cam.com/video/UMSwmDK-sTM/w-d-xo.html ], [ th-cam.com/video/e6cv_rOpeO8/w-d-xo.html ], [ th-cam.com/video/SiqzOHfndfA/w-d-xo.html ] and of course the maestro himself [ th-cam.com/users/results?search_query=Krystian+Zimerman+Chopin ]... Martha Argerich was also incredible in Chopin even when young... [ th-cam.com/users/results?search_query=Marta+Argerich+Chopin ], so it is not the "nationality thing", no... With maybe one exception... Russian pianists... They all play Mazurkas as Walzes {:-)} like if they did not know about the accent on the 3rd note, but in Etudes they are great [ th-cam.com/video/jhLunFajgwg/w-d-xo.html ] (Sokolov is one of greatest living pianists, do not get me wrong, sorry, but [ th-cam.com/video/HuPVOMH8NsQ/w-d-xo.html ] is not it).
I wonder what Maestro Zimmermann must think of this strange looking person playing the piano. He doesn’t quite look the part ? Or what’s wrong with this picture?
There is something seriously wrong with you
A 14 year old has no business with Rach. 3.
Man, he had skill!
And I'm 14 :|
@@lczq6737 lol your old
@@segmentsAndCurves that's not very nice.
@@lczq6737 I agree.
Must be torture for Zimerman to listen to a kid playing Rachmaninov. I would never do that to him. Play some music he likes and respects.
当时沈文峪的实力很可能超过zimermman了
@@derekwang1962 哈哈哈，笑死我了
説笑了！不過我發覺好些老一輩的西方古典音樂家，尤其是歐洲人，對東方音樂人都有一種不知名的敵意，一方面是出於種族歧視，一方面是出於恐懼心理，恐懼東方人在音樂上的優秀(好些的確是優秀， 尤其這幾年人才輩出，遠遠超出西方人)不僅會超越他們，甚至取代他們。我就常常在油管上看到所謂"東方人不懂得西方/歐洲文化，他們就只是技術好，跟本不懂古典音樂。。。"諸如此類嫉妒的言論。
當然我們不知Zimmermann的心態，也不是說他對沈文裕的評論不對或有歧視，他認為沈文裕有些囫圇吞棗的學了太多的曲目，所以並不大欣賞他。我只是想說沈文裕在14歲就可以演奏拉三的確不簡單！
沈文裕16岁巅峰回国后就一直走下坡路。他技术虽然好但是音乐上还很稚嫩，回国后就停滞不前了。伊丽莎白奖是他当时在德国的老师一点点抠出来的，让他的演奏达到了很高的水准。但他回国的时候音乐上还远没有成熟，还不能离开老师的教导，好像一个还没熟的果子就被人摘下来了。我每次看到他后来在地下室弹的那些心里都在滴血。现代版的伤仲永。也不是完全没救，音乐上大器晚成的也有，好像朱晓玫。只能说看造化了。
玩笑开大了
14 years old should not play the Rach 3. You don't understand that piece until your over 30 at least. You have no life experience.
thats objectively a fucked up comment
Nonsense. Plenty of teens and people in their 20s play Rach 3.
@@newcenturypianists3195 Sure absolutely, and they have no idea what the piece is actually about.
@The Pocket Shot, I've seen plenty of musical performances of Rach 3 by young people. Many of them have the technique to pull it off, and as for musical maturity, it depends. But it doesn't hurt to learn Rach 3 in your mid-teens or twenties, provided that you have the technique for it.
@@thepocketshot9116 th-cam.com/video/wBca3z7bAtE/w-d-xo.html i think this 20 year old kid gets rach 3 :)
Ok maybe He plays better than zimerman
You must be joking right? Absolutely absurd.
Lol no
Are you serious?
????????
No way. WenYu had great potential as a child prodigy but his career ended prematurely due to bad decisions made by his parents. His story is honestly quite sad.