Battle of Polygon Wood - Betrayal At The Italian Front I THE GREAT WAR Week 166

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  • @u-max5111
    @u-max5111 7 ปีที่แล้ว +380

    The Italian high command gives me cancer, and the whole betrayal story is enough to be a storyboard for a movie!

    • @lloydster9000
      @lloydster9000 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I'd love to see a movie on this!

  • @VladTevez
    @VladTevez 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1207

    Happy Birthday Indy!

    • @joebob3719
      @joebob3719 7 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Indy looks like he just turned 40.

    • @mikejacobs14
      @mikejacobs14 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      30 to me

    • @voidytb
      @voidytb 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @indy
      wow. i thought 35 or something.
      I do not know what are you doing but keep up! :)
      P.S. and happy birthday!

    • @edwardluff6001
      @edwardluff6001 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Happy birthday!

    • @LinguiniHoudini
      @LinguiniHoudini 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY INDY! I love your content. Thanks to all the crew

  • @thurin84
    @thurin84 7 ปีที่แล้ว +349

    italian high command given shiny victory giftwrapped with a big red bow. italian high command tears open present, casts aside victory and plays with the box.............

    • @MaxwellAerialPhotography
      @MaxwellAerialPhotography 6 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      milcoll73 so italian high command is either a 3 year old or a cat.

    • @ergbudster3333
      @ergbudster3333 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@MaxwellAerialPhotography No no. Much worse than that! Stupid old men!

    • @wanderingjuniper
      @wanderingjuniper 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      and they still name roads, piazzas etc after him

  • @The_Oak_Staff
    @The_Oak_Staff 7 ปีที่แล้ว +582

    Is Indy 50? WTF he looks no older then 35...

    • @MegaBallPowerBall
      @MegaBallPowerBall 7 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      The Oak Staff than*

    • @fien111
      @fien111 7 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      Secret Swedish Lazarus pits, I'm betting

    • @BraceletGrolf
      @BraceletGrolf 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      You're right, he looks way younger then that

    • @stevencornwell9013
      @stevencornwell9013 7 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Yeah, I was sure he was in his 30s what the heck man

    • @olrappaport7474
      @olrappaport7474 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Industrial-strength Clearasil

  • @jessepinkman4191
    @jessepinkman4191 7 ปีที่แล้ว +184

    50???? You are aging extremely well Indy! Happy birthday man!

    • @jonbaxter2254
      @jonbaxter2254 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      i know right, he doesn't look nearly that old

    • @Rick420SV
      @Rick420SV 7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      it's because he hasn't bought any of your blue meth

  • @lego501stTrigger
    @lego501stTrigger 7 ปีที่แล้ว +110

    When the Austrians breach your line and offer all your troops strudel to change sides, you know there's no hope

  • @Mitch93
    @Mitch93 7 ปีที่แล้ว +701

    Polygon Wood sounds like a SNES stage.

    • @NathanCassidy721
      @NathanCassidy721 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      PS1 more like it.

    • @johnmcmanus7809
      @johnmcmanus7809 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nathan Cassidy I was thinking that lol!

    • @yeungmankiu5539
      @yeungmankiu5539 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      happy birthday Indy! You look a lot younger than 50

    • @MsPaintMr
      @MsPaintMr 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Reminds me of Kirby Super Star

    • @chrisapc1059
      @chrisapc1059 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      There was a map in that PlayStation1 game Warpigs called Polygon forest. That game took me and my friends through the early gamer years. 😄😄

  • @meandtheboys3985
    @meandtheboys3985 7 ปีที่แล้ว +382

    Happy Birthday Indy!!!

  • @EmperorPretzel
    @EmperorPretzel 7 ปีที่แล้ว +118

    Indy got all 5 pieces of that Kukri I see

    • @taylormergen833
      @taylormergen833 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      EmperorPretzel I only have 1 ☹️

    • @deadmeatdec2164
      @deadmeatdec2164 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      lol i want the billhook and dudclub. shy 1 piece on the hook all of them for dud

    • @Raygun222
      @Raygun222 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have the Saber.

  • @klutttmuttsprutt6087
    @klutttmuttsprutt6087 7 ปีที่แล้ว +137

    Indy, welcome to the club! I'm 8 months ahead of you.

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  7 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      +klutttmuttsprutt did your life change dramatically?

    • @klutttmuttsprutt6087
      @klutttmuttsprutt6087 7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I'm entitled to make comments like this now ain't I? I am also considering to start making grumpy comments about how things were so much better back among drum machines and mullets. Välkommen i gänget, som sagt.

    • @callehammar2743
      @callehammar2743 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Swedish?

    • @Raygun222
      @Raygun222 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      klutttmuttsprutt
      Hälsningar från Finland.

  • @alexanderm3504
    @alexanderm3504 7 ปีที่แล้ว +305

    Can we learn about the french foreign legion, and there role in the great war..
    Thanks again,
    Alex 👍

    • @tommcdonald1873
      @tommcdonald1873 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Can only imagine how long the wish list is for Indy and Flo for special episodes. Granted, we do our best to make it so long.

    • @GravesRWFiA
      @GravesRWFiA 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      the legion along with other colonial troops from africa were pumped into the trenches wehere the only difference between them and the metropolitan army was their wore brown and the metropolitan army wore blue. It was used for americans who wanted to fight before the US got into the war. Germans in the unit before the war weremainly bavarians and other antiprussians. they were given the chance to be locked up with honor if they felt they could not serve france, but many were left to guard the colonies in africa because to be taken POW by the germans while wearing french uniforms would have been treason.

    • @alexanderm3504
      @alexanderm3504 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      GravesRWFiA The legion during the great war, was in the golden age, men came from all over, Americans, Germans, Greek, even Hungarians.
      Its an interesting thing to talk about, how men from all over our there put there differences aside, and fight together

    • @rubycooly8196
      @rubycooly8196 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hows it going on the macedonian front

  • @HowitzerBug
    @HowitzerBug 7 ปีที่แล้ว +78

    Fascinated with this incident between Austria and Italy, first I'd heard of it!
    Happy birthday Indy!! :)

  • @silvioevan11
    @silvioevan11 7 ปีที่แล้ว +78

    "Summer's going fast
    Nights growing colder
    Children growing up
    Old friends growing older
    Freeze this moment
    A little bit longer
    Make each sensation
    A little bit stronger"('Time Stand Still', Rush)
    Happy birthday, great host Indiana Neidell.

  • @operationmeh
    @operationmeh 7 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    It's treason then...

  • @AndrejDesignSats
    @AndrejDesignSats 7 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    Hehe, Pivko means "small beer" in Czech and Slovak :)

  • @paulx7540
    @paulx7540 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Happy 50th Indy.
    A really interesting episode. From what I have read the Austro-Hungarians on the Tyrol/Trentino front fought well in comparison to those on the Eastern front, being out-numbered up to 8 to 1 but holding the high ground. The Croats and Bosnians were considered particularly "kaisertreu"', loyal to Franz Josef, and all elements of the army were united in opposing the Italians who were nominally their allies before the war.

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      +Paul it was a crazy front, you will soon learn more about here.

  • @ianperacca6739
    @ianperacca6739 7 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    I rotated, reflected and dilated my polygon!

    • @seiban8455
      @seiban8455 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      *Thousands of men die every day*

  • @Brandeena233
    @Brandeena233 7 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    If Indy is 50 I'm going to look like a month old corpse by the time I'm 45. Happy birthday, dude.

  • @grayflaneur4854
    @grayflaneur4854 7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Happy Birthday, Indy! My gosh, it seems like even when the Italians catch a break, they still cannot capitalize on it.

  • @petergray2712
    @petergray2712 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "A major boost for morale instead turned into a major debacle." That should be the slogan of the Italian Army during both World Wars

  • @Masada1911
    @Masada1911 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Happy Birthday to our favorite crazy uncle!
    Also, suprise hotzendorf!

    • @mikked01
      @mikked01 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That twinkle in Hotzendorf's eye kills me every time.

  • @Krishna-pt3yu
    @Krishna-pt3yu 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Happy birthday 🎂 Indy great work.

  • @mohammedalhosani9405
    @mohammedalhosani9405 7 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Conrad killed me 😂😂😂😂

  • @randomperson6988
    @randomperson6988 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory again

  • @anthonyzorn773
    @anthonyzorn773 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Happy 50th Birthday Indie! And kudos to all the staff and the TGW community for continuing to produce an amazing show!

  • @flanigan69-28
    @flanigan69-28 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That birthday bit at the end really puts things into perspective. It's unbelievable how much the world has changed in such a ridiculously short period of time.

  • @Grglr1
    @Grglr1 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Happy Birthday Indy!! Keep on producing informative content and helping educate people about this incredibly important part of history that has sadly been slowly disappearing from public perception (at least here in Canada)

  • @tomsleeckx409
    @tomsleeckx409 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Happy Birthday Indy!
    As a sidenote I want to add that the show is still the best thing I've watched on the internet!
    Props to the entire team

  • @onefastcyclist
    @onefastcyclist 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Italian incompetence well explained!
    Happy Birthday Indie!

  • @LuvBorderCollies
    @LuvBorderCollies 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You're absolutely right about it wasn't that long ago. My grandparents lived through it (which means I'm a bit older than Indy). But doing geneology work dealing with generations vs individual years, suddenly 1776 is like a couple weeks ago. Getting into the 1400's I start feeling a little age. ;-)

  • @KPManzi
    @KPManzi 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    wow Indy is 50. Had no idea. Figured he was in his late 30's. Handsome young man.

  • @PrimevalDemon
    @PrimevalDemon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Happy belated birthday! Lol
    It really is sobering when you phrase it like that. Like just 2 of you is the breadth of time that to many feels ancient yet it is so far from such a reality

  • @charlie15627
    @charlie15627 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    HAPPY BIRTHDAY INDY !!!!!! You guys keep up the great work!

  • @ergomate9092
    @ergomate9092 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Happy birthday to Indy! Looking forward to another year of the best historical channel on TH-cam!

  • @barbarawierschem8310
    @barbarawierschem8310 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Happy Birthday, Indy. Thanks for a great series.

  • @DerpsGW
    @DerpsGW 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What a fascinating story. It's incredible how many times failures in high command led to failures on the field in this war.

  • @motfcu
    @motfcu 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Happy Birthday Indy ! Thanks for the hard work to you and the whole team !

  • @ludditeneaderthal
    @ludditeneaderthal 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    happy bday indie!! you also happen to be exactly a week and a day younger than my "baby sister", so i will share the same wisdom i did with her: at 50, you are now an antique. get the most out of it you can, because the next stop is "relic", and you arrive quite rapidly.... 100 more, indie, each healthier and happier than the last

  • @Kubinda12345
    @Kubinda12345 7 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I wonder what happened to the Czech soldier who was wrongfully arrested.

  • @lorddenti
    @lorddenti 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really like the "new" maps with the small map for the overview. Your maps are getting better and better!

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +phillip boyman thanks, took us a while but we're also happy with them

  • @laurentpremel
    @laurentpremel 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Happy birthday Indy ! Keep the brilliant work with the team :)

  • @TheWolfwiththeDragon
    @TheWolfwiththeDragon 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Haven't watched you in a long time. Feels nice to be back! Happy to see that you finally decided to get a map that shows the front lines (0:29).

  • @hansschonig2472
    @hansschonig2472 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is one of the best episodes. So interesting. Happy birthday Mr neidell! :)

  • @m.4904
    @m.4904 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I saw comments saying Happy Birthday for fifty years. I thought it was a joke! HAPPY BIRTHDAY, INDY! This really is one of the best series out here on TH-cam.
    Keep doing your thing!!!

  • @larrygarrett724
    @larrygarrett724 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Happy Birthday Indy! Keep up the EXCELLENT work! Appreciate you and the crew very much!

  • @jakewestfall1634
    @jakewestfall1634 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Happy 50th Indy! Keep bringing the amazing content, you've done so much to educate people about this complex war and I can never wait to hear what happens next!

  • @cellamuert
    @cellamuert 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Happy over the hill Indy! Thanks for all you do sir

  • @steelhammer103
    @steelhammer103 7 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Awesome video. Also,I really would like to know the backstory about the picture you guys posted on Twitter for Indy's 50th birthday. I really want to hear about Indy's 80's band.

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      +steelhammer103 Indy did play and is still playing in a variety of bands

    • @steelhammer103
      @steelhammer103 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Oh that's cool, I never knew that about him

  • @PetroniusArbiter2
    @PetroniusArbiter2 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The British offensive at Polygon wood quickly ran into great difficulty. On the flanks, they were often blocked by scores of obtuse triangles and innumerable parallelograms. Then the main offensive found it nearly impossible to pick their way through the unforeseen pentagons and, worst of all, a great flood of terrifying irregular trapezoids.

  • @Nicdonova1
    @Nicdonova1 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Happy birthday Indy!!!!!!!

  • @Handsomedog75
    @Handsomedog75 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My Great Grandad from UK died in this battle on 1st October, he's buried at Tyne Cot Memorial, Belgium. His Son, my Grandad was only 1 at the time.

  • @zachattachone
    @zachattachone 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Happy Birthday! My father actually turned 50 today as well. Quite the coincidence!

  • @schoolwerth
    @schoolwerth 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Happy Birthday Indy ! Thank you and all the guys of the channel for the great job you do!

  • @nexttsar
    @nexttsar 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Cheers for your birthday, Indy! You look great for 50. Of course, 50 is the new 35.

  • @christophereason9076
    @christophereason9076 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    History is, and continues to be, so short. Happy Birthday Indy!!

  • @DIDDYKONG916
    @DIDDYKONG916 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Happy Birthday Indy. Hope you have a great day. Keep up all the great work you and the rest of the crew of "The Great War" do. Keep it up guys.

  • @pedroivo6729
    @pedroivo6729 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Parabéns indy, congratulações de um apreciador brasileiro do canal!

  • @lyntonr6188
    @lyntonr6188 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Happy 50th birthday Indy 👍

  • @android16B
    @android16B 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The entire Italian front this week was better than any soap opera out there.

  • @tylerchristensen1484
    @tylerchristensen1484 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Happy birthday, Indy!

  • @warwick936
    @warwick936 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    My son was born today on the same day as Indy.. must be a blessing

  • @absoluteinfinity1197
    @absoluteinfinity1197 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Happy birthday Indy! keep rocking for the next 50 years.

  • @spevoljub
    @spevoljub 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Pivko sadly didn't know about British - Italian trading from 1915 about Slovenian (and Croatian and Austrian territory).

  • @thephantom53able
    @thephantom53able 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Happy birthday Indy

  • @jasonhaman9556
    @jasonhaman9556 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Happy birthday Indy!!! Love the series and love what you do!

  • @kapser9898
    @kapser9898 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Happy Birthday!

  • @ZakJames
    @ZakJames 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I mean this is just incredible. The whole '100 years later thing' is a great idea and almost forces you to take it slowly and look at things in extreme detail.

  • @joelshewmaker3567
    @joelshewmaker3567 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is nobody commenting on that brilliant Conrad von Hötzenglitter at the end? I really liked that touch.

  • @megatron..9032
    @megatron..9032 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Grattis på 50 årsdagen Indy!

  • @vespelian5769
    @vespelian5769 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    A belated happy birthday to you Indy. I only caught your show last month and have been bingeing to catch up. Nearly there now. I hope it'll all be over by Christmas.

  • @andresmartinezramos7513
    @andresmartinezramos7513 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Bio Special on Indy

  • @kastandjurdjevic2405
    @kastandjurdjevic2405 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Happy birthday Indy. You and the crew are the best!

  • @coolmanfight1827
    @coolmanfight1827 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    happy birthday indy. you dont look a day over 40 years over.

  • @pepelopez8372
    @pepelopez8372 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Happy Birthday, Indy! Best wishes from Guadalajara, Mexico!

  • @Shortline819
    @Shortline819 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Indy is 50? I thought he was like 38...

  • @vikke2013
    @vikke2013 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Happy 50th birthday from Sweden Indy!! Great content, always something new to learn about ww1 👍 :-)

  • @curtislynnck
    @curtislynnck 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Happy birthday

  • @haptori
    @haptori 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice video as always. And Happy Birthday Indy!

  • @Userisyin
    @Userisyin 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Happy Birthday🎂hope you can teach another 50 or more years.

  • @pikeywyatt
    @pikeywyatt 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    And lots more Happy Birthdays,Indy.from Floss and tony,in UK.

  • @rex4487
    @rex4487 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Happy Birthday

  • @planco
    @planco 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Happy Birthday to you Indy.. keep this great show going!

  • @speedyseal2272
    @speedyseal2272 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Happy 50th Birthday!

  • @austinmacneil9947
    @austinmacneil9947 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Happy Birthday Indy! Great show! Would never have guessed you are 50

  • @georgschindler840
    @georgschindler840 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Happy Birthday :)

  • @tinuraviel9507
    @tinuraviel9507 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Happy Birthday Indy !! Santé et prospérité !! Greetings from France !!

  • @Delta2196
    @Delta2196 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    happy birthday!

  • @luciusavenus8715
    @luciusavenus8715 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Up yours Indy! Happy Birthday mate! And it's really true that 100 years doesn't take long to go by.
    Lest we forget (to raise our glasses Friday haha)

  • @Reilly-Maresca
    @Reilly-Maresca 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    ... Its treason, then.

  • @uncletorino2645
    @uncletorino2645 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Happy Birthday Indy! May it be an most grand one!

  • @SNOUPS4
    @SNOUPS4 7 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Fun fact: 100 years later, this same week in september of 2017, a new battle (albeit a smaller one) started in Ramadi, irak, along the Euphrate river: so called "islamic state" terrorists launched an attack on the city held by regular irakian troops.

    • @abu-hureraali4531
      @abu-hureraali4531 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Did you mean Iraqi or Iranian? It is quite hard to tell what you mean.

    • @SNOUPS4
      @SNOUPS4 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I meant iraki, people from Irak. And I am sorry it's hard to tell what I mean but the context should help.
      www.wsj.com/articles/islamic-state-fighters-attack-iraqi-forces-in-ramadi-1506513073

    • @joluoto
      @joluoto 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That was not a fun fact. Any fact involving DAESH is not fun.

    • @jamiethannoo8559
      @jamiethannoo8559 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That is a pretty interesting fact

    • @SNOUPS4
      @SNOUPS4 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not fun fact*

  • @wanfajar3219
    @wanfajar3219 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Happy birthday, Indy..!

  • @indianajones4321
    @indianajones4321 7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Who were some British national heroes in World War One?

    • @Ashfielder
      @Ashfielder 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Indiana Jones As far as airmen go, Albert Ball is among the greats.

    • @m1994a3jagnew
      @m1994a3jagnew 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Indiana Jones the Lord Flashheart

    • @joshman531
      @joshman531 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Everyone in Black adder 4

    • @joshman531
      @joshman531 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Kitchener is an icon from the war but I'm not sure he's considered a hero.

    • @NerevarOfficialReal
      @NerevarOfficialReal 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I guess T.E Lawrence became a national hero after the war.

  • @alexandersakhnenko3150
    @alexandersakhnenko3150 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Happy bday!! You apper much younger i should say! Thank you for all the amazing work! Greetings from Petrograd!

  • @geoffmelnick1472
    @geoffmelnick1472 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hey, it's my birthday too, 28th September, one year older than you.

  • @plugs313
    @plugs313 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have a happy one Indy... I enjoy everything you guys do... Wonderful concept!

  • @Autobotmatt428
    @Autobotmatt428 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Today is also my Grandfathers birthday.

  • @isodom
    @isodom 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Many happy returns Indy! I hope you teach history for a long time to come!

  • @MegaBallPowerBall
    @MegaBallPowerBall 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    15 minutes in and already someone disliked the video, times have changed on this channel.

  • @RiczRonin
    @RiczRonin 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Happy Birthday Indy! Mine will be on this Sunday (1st of Oxtober), 27th so far. So, as you are half as old as the event you guide us in, I can say the same with you (even with the +2 years on my side).