What annoys me the most is how many freaking times the TV crew felt the need to replay the Bartman moment over and over again while Alex Gonzalez's misplay (the true turning point) was only replayed once. Not to mention the fact they kept showing Bartman in the stands. The TV crew was just as responsible for ruining this poor fan's life.
@@whatssogoodaboutindy6696 True. And who the heck (cameramen, commentators, players) gets this angry or critical on possible fan interference that was a FOUL BALL anyway? Years earlier Jeffrey Maier's obvious fan interference gave the Yankess a home run they hadn't earned. I can understand the Orioles anger at that. But most people treat foul ball, non called interference with a chuckle. It's a 'do over' so who cares?
I honestly didn't feel like the TV coverage was out of bounds. For most of the inning, they really didn't show the play. It wasn't until the final at-bat of the inning that they really revisited the play and it seems that was mostly because the fans were giving the poor kid so much heat and they were actually concerned for him -- the announcers even said as much. Replays like this are done all the time -- the only reason this one stands out is because the Cubs fans were such louts of Philadelphian proportion. The TV crew had no idea the fans were blow this thing up, no more so than a million other times such a thing has happened in a baseball game. To look at it differently from our armchairs in hindsight is profoundly unfair if not downright ignorant.
@@stephaniegormley9982 lt was because the Cubs never won a world series for 95 years at the time. They probably had family or someone call them to let them know it was the quiet guy with a good seat. I think Bartman had to be escorted out for his safety.
Alou's tantrum didn't help. He should have been more upset at the umpire than Steve. 7:39 shows he was pissed at the fan and not the umpire for ruling interferrence. At least Prior had the mindset to ask the umpire.
The Chicago media put Bartmans address on a live television broadcast. They literally incited a riot and put him and his family in fatal danger. He should have sued everyone involved. Edit - Thanks for the likes!
@@jimmyqjones7122 As opposed to Republican theology that likes to put the blame on the poor and the immigrants? Fucken convenient way of thinking you got going there
Best baseball memory in my life. 15 years old, varsity baseball, first gf, 1 year before my parents died. 2003 best year ever. Watched every moment with my dad.
Love those announcers. "Fans shouldn't take their anger out on the fan in the left field corner". Then just keep replaying the play over and over again, revving up the anger of the crowd, getting them more worked up and dangerous. So the TV broadcasters keep stirring up the pot, then cluck their thick tongues when the fan's life is endangered. Amazing.
The announcers aren't the ones directing the broadcast and cueing camera shots. They are reacting to what they are seeing on their monitors like everyone else. The crew behind the scenes directing the broadcast is responsible.
M G the 2003 and 2004 ALCS were the same way. That’s why baseball was popular back then there was a mystique with a few series there that can’t be explained
TheLocalLt perfectly put. Games today are almost shot too perfectly. The camera quality is too good. Everything feels too human. These games where they’re just a little grainy by today’s standards and can’t control crowd noise quite as well makes the games almost seem mythical. Same can be said of a lot of playoff games especially ones at Yankee stadium such as the 2003 ALCS happening at the same time as this series.
I was there, and I've never felt a greater switch in energy in my entire life. Really jarring. Prior was cruising, it was a total party atmosphere. And then the wheels came off. 😭
Bartman didn't lose this game. The Cubs did. The fact this guy's normal life was practically ruined because of this is actually, when you look back at it, downright insane and sad. There were 5 other pairs of hands who were trying to catch that ball. It was a FOUL ball that was out of the field of play. It was only the 8th inning, not the final play of the game (Just typing that, makes the situation that much more insane and it shows how stupid sports fans can be). The Cubs lost the game. They really should bring Bartman back to throw out the pitch at one of the upcoming games. The guy deserves that much as he truly was a die-hard fan.
Then if the Cubs were to lose they'd blame the continuation of the curse on him. No bueno. He's moved on. Who knows if he even still lives in the area and supports the team any longer.
JD VG I'm a Red Sox fan and never blamed Bill Buckner to begin with. Wasn't his fault, the game was already lost when that ball rolled through his legs. If I had to blame anyone I'd blame Bob Stanley for throwing a wild pitch that allowed the tying run to score.
If that’s all it takes for a team to lose its composure, its momentum, then that team doesn’t deserve to win the pennant. Much less the World Series. Very unprofessional
Jason Lange Dusty is an old school manager, he doesnt believe in modern sabremetrics and was okay with just letting his starting pitcher go up there and throw his arm off. Felt if it aint broke dont fix it.... Yes but dont wait for it to break either! fix it before it breaks! This is why Dusty is out of a job now.
+Jason Lange Cub's bullpen was not very good and the Marlins had beaten them up all series. I think Dusty made the right decision, just bad luck and bad composure on the part of the entire Cub's team.
The right decision how, Cathalo? By leaving prior in? Or by going to Farnsworth _after_ prior? Cause I think both were bad choices. Prior had a tendency to struggle in the later innings (typical for a rookie to get tired and not be able to handle deep innings) so leaving him in was bad. Bringing in Farnsworth to face two fastball hitters in Conine and Mike Lowell was also a bad idea! Even the broadcasters said they couldn't believe a fastball thrower like Farnsworth was facing Conine.
This Marlins team was loaded with future all stars. Derek Lee, Pudge, Miguel Cabrera. Josh Beckett, Mike Lowell. With that being said, the Gonzalez error was mostly to blame for this inning collapse. NOT Bartman.
Take Prior out? Are you kidding? He had several 130 pitch games that season. Back then, Pitchers didn't see 100 pitches as some magic number. He was still throwing 96 mph with movement in that 8th inning. @12:43, that was a perfectly located 96 mph fastball down and in, and Derek Lee put a great swing on it.The Cubs had NOTHING like that in the bullpen. The Cubs had someone warming up in the bullpen as soon as Pierre got on. @7:11. Here's Kyle Farnsworth warming up in the bullpen. The allegation the Cubs had "nobody warming up" is a lie that got peddled by Bob Costas after the fact. Also, Prior was a righty who threw hard with movement, and that season, he was murder to right handed power pitchers. The Marlins had THREE righties, Pudge Rodriguez and Miguel Cabrera and Derek Lee coming up. Maybe, you ought to CREDIT the Marlins and how GREAT that lineup was. In that 8th inning, Prior faced THREE STRAIGHT MVPs in Rodriguez, Cabrera and Lee, and they all came through. You REALLY believe Farnsworth would have got them out?
Emmanuel Enyinwa His last outing (Game 2), he was pulled in the 8th inning at 116 pitches, after a single and an error. In that case, however, the Cubs had a 12-2 lead. In Game 6, he reached 115 pitches when he walked Castillo with a wild pitch. He'd already given up a double. And the Cubs only had a 3 run lead. Shows you how backwards Baker is. Farnsworth should've been warming up starting the 8th inning, so he was ready as soon as Prior threw that wild pitch ball 4. Beyond that - he was obviously out of gas. First the wild pitch, and giving up 3 well hit balls in under 5 pitches. Even that "grounder" was more of a high velocity chopper that would eat up a lot of infielders.
Digital_Utopia I can't convince you otherwise, but I will put my thoughts on this thread because more open minded people can read it. Blaming Baker for what happened in that 8th inning is silly. For the longest time, I kept hearing Bob Costas repeat that "Baker never had anybody warming up the entire time". That has been proved a LIE. Baker had Farnsworth up with Prior at 101 pitches right after Prior threw that wild pitch to Castillo.@7:11. But, Baker decided to have Prior face Pudge Rodriguez. It's true he hung a pitch to Pudge, and Pudge singled in a run. At that point, Prior was at 107 pitches. This is NOT a high pitch count. Prior threw 115 TOTAL pitches that night. That is NOT a high pitch count even by today's prissy standards. Again, Prior was STILL throwing 96 mph with movement. He induced a double play grounder on the next pitch. It's not Baker's fault that Gonzalez booted that to load the bases with one out. At this point, bringing in Farnsworth from the pen to face Derrek Lee was not ideal. Prior is a ground ball pitcher, and he had handled Lee up to this point. A double play STILL gets the Cubs out of the inning, but a bloop ties the game, and a walk puts the winning run at 3rd with a run in. So, Baker decided to stick with Prior one more batter. Prior threw a perfectly located 96 mph fastball down an in.@12:41. Either Lee was looking for it, or guessed right, but he drilled it to left, scoring the two runners, and, importantly, advanced to 2nd. At this point, Baker pulled Prior and brought in Farnsworth, who gave up a sac fly to put the Cubs behind. Baker then did the percentage thing of an intentional walk to Jeff Conine to set up the double play, but Farnsworth gave up a bases clearing triple. Baker then pulled Farnsworth and brought in Mike Remlinger, who gave up another rbi single. It was a claasic case of events snowballing out of control. It's easy to look at it in retrospect and blame Baker, but that is grossly unfair.
Emmanuel Enyinwa There's a difference between being "open minded" and simply knowing the game. If you're wrong, the people disagreeing with you, aren't "close minded", they're just correcting you. Well, first off - my point wasn't that he had nobody warming up in the bullpen at all - obviously Farnsworth got warmed at some point. The complaint is that he didn't have his bullpen warming up at the start of the inning. There's absolutely no excuse to not have at least someone up in the bullpen in the late innings of a close game. I don't care what the pitch count is. You don't want to be caught with your pants down, if your starter starts getting into trouble. Second, I think you have your pitch counts off. He entered the inning at 95 pitches. Threw 4 pitches to Mordecai, threw 6 to Pierre (105), then threw 9 to Castillo (114), followed by 3 to Pudge, and one to each Cabrerra and Lee.(119) So, by the time he threw that wild pitch, he was only two pitches from his total pitches in Game 2. Third, the number of pitches itself is meaningless - without taking into the condition and performance of the pitcher. The same pitcher could be sharp for 120 pitches one start, and start serving up beach balls at 100 pitches the next. For example Prior threw a 133 pitch complete game against the Braves in Game 3 of the NLDS, but was pulled after giving up a single, and another runner reaching on an error, after only throwing 116 pitches in the 8th, of Game 2. Which was kinda ironic, considering the Cubs had a 10 run lead at that point. Fourth - when a pitcher gets tired, it's not just location, or executing sharp breaking balls that suffer. It also affects both velocity, and how well the pitcher "hides" the pitch from the hitter. If the hitter can see what you're throwing as it comes out of your hand, it's going to get hit - hard. So, at the 114th pitch he throws a wild pitch. Any good manager would immediately pull him out at that point. Especially considering how flustered that foul ball got him. If he did that, and then let Farnsworth actually pitch, instead of intentionally walking the bases loaded, twice - we would've had some padding for any mistakes. But having a reliever up there for three batters, and only having him throw one real pitch, is a horrible way of keeping a reliever warmed up, and letting him get a rhythm. But let's say Farnsworth and Remlinger perform exactly the same way, as they did. This time pulling Prior after he walked Castillo. Farnsworth gives up a sac fly - Castillo to 2nd, Pierre scores. Score 3-1. 2 outs. Farnsworth gives up a double to Rodriguez, Castillo scores, Score 3-2 2 outs Farnsworth out, Remlinger in. Remlinger gives up a single to Cabrerra - Rodriguez to 3rd. Remlinger gets Lee to pop up to 2nd - 3 outs. The 2003 bullpen wasn't amazing - but they were better than a burned out starter, and a manager trying to get cute by intentionally walking a .200 hitter. Of course, since the Marlins would never reach the pitcher spot, there would be no need to have Hollandsworth pinch hit. This isn't 2nd guessing. This is managing a game, the way that it should be managed. The way it makes sense. You don't just expect your starter to not get into trouble - to the point where you only start warming up your bullpen when trouble emerges. Especially in the late innings with a small lead. You can't even tell me that they never did that back then - when Baker did the exact same thing in Game 2. Now, that's not saying that the Cubs would've necessarily won that game. Just look at the Cubs/Giants Game 4 of this year's NLDS. Bochy made all the right moves, but the Cubs still got consecutive hits off of consecutive relievers. But the manager can't win the game - all he can do is put his team in the best position to win. Bochy did that, Baker did the exact opposite.
Listen to what the announcer is talking about at the very beginning of the inning. It couldn’t be more obviously scripted. It’s just a coincidence that on the same date they won in 1908 they also have the Bartman incident and the historic meltdown
This was totally Baker's fault. Those hangers to Pudge clearly indicated Prior's out of gas, should have pulled him by that point, not let him stay out there to eventually put the go ahead run on base!
+Jude Law I posted this just above, but I feel like I have to copy paste it just to truly emphasize how downright AWFUL Dusty Baker is. He leaves Prior in for close to 130 pitches and then brings in Kyle Fucking Farnsworth, of all people, to relieve. And when he starts to get in trouble because he's a power pitcher forced to throw his shitty breaking balls (which the video mentioned), what does he do? He KEEPS him in there!!! Dusty Baker is a fucking IDIOT and one of the worst managers of that era. He straight up cost the Giants the World Series just the year prior by pulling Russ Ortiz for god damn Felix Rodriguez, who EVERYONE but Baker knew was the absolute worst reliever the Giants had that year. Somehow, he gets ANOTHER job with the Reds, and ends up blowing a 2-0 series lead to his former team in the 2012 NLDS due to his absolutely horrendous pitching strategy. There's been a little bit of talk that the Dodgers may fire Mattingly if they don't win this year, and Dusty fucking Baker is one of the candidates they're supposedly considering to replace him. I hope like hell that happens because the Dodgers wont ever win with that absolute clown in the dugout. Fuck Dusty Baker. He's not fit to manage a McDonalds Express at the airport let alone a major league baseball club. That fucking jackwagon cost THREE separate franchises a World Series berth (I'm totally convined the Reds would've crushed the Cards in the NLCS in 2012 had they beat the Giants). He should be one of the most hated managers in baseball history.
Also I was curious why Prior kept pitching inside to Pudge especially ahead in the count 0-2. He should’ve threw a pitch outside to switch it up, instead Pudge jumped on the next inside pitch and got the RBI single.
"Although I do not consider myself worthy of such an honor, I am deeply moved and sincerely grateful to receive an official Chicago Cubs 2016 World Series Championship ring. I am fully aware of the historical significance and appreciate the symbolism the ring represents on multiple levels. My family and I will cherish it for generations. Most meaningful is the genuine outreach from the Ricketts family, on behalf of the Cubs organization and fans, signifying to me that I am welcomed back into the Cubs family and have their support going forward. I am relieved and hopeful that the saga of the 2003 foul ball incident surrounding my family and me is finally over."
@Vinnie Provolone Fascinating fact! Four years before this fiasco if you're blaming the Sox, the Cubs were cruising in 1999 and within just one game behind the Astros when the Sox came to Wrigley and promptly swept the Cubs. That sent the Cubs into a merciless downward spiral the whole second half of 1999 that saw them win a mere 17 games down that sad stretch after the All Star Break. 95 games the Cubs lost that season and that led to the firing of their manager.
A. If Moises Alou doesn't throw a fit then the mood in the stadium/city of Chicago doesn't change like it did in the blink of an eye B. Fox should be ashamed of themselves for showing Bartman over and over and saying "I'm surprised somebody hasn't thrown that fan on the field". C. Cubs fans should be ashamed of themselves for how they treated him
The network/broadcasters sure didn't do Bartman any favors with how much they talked about the foul ball and how many times they replayed it on tv, geez
Jason Weaver Fox might actually more at fault than anyone else. If they didn't keep replaying that moment, the fans probably would have forgotten about it. Probably. Assuming the Cubs would not give up 8 runs.
In the Catching Hell documentary, the Fox producer on site at the stadium admitted to going overboard on the replays and blamed himself for the abuse Bartman endured afterward. He said he was obsessing over whether Alou would have caught the ball, leading him to show the replay as many times as he did. I'm guessing he was also unaware just how hostile the crowd was becoming.
I love how the media, starting with the announcers, incited violence against an innocent fan. "Throw him onto the field, haha!" Then later that night the Chicago media put Bartmams HOME ADDRESS on television and literally INCITED a riot!
No Bartman did it. The Billy goats spirit went it Bartman and caused him to screw it up. Beware Cub fans, ol Billy spirit is lurking seeking to screw it up for ya again. Just wait on it
This was on my birthday, and I was in college at the time working on a paper assignment for a Health class. I was 23 years old at the time. Now 36 and wondering if this will be the year the Cubs make it to the series in my lifetime!
This is all Dusty's fault. Your starting pitcher has given you 7 shutout innings and has over 100 pitches. The obvious thing to do, is bring the setup man for the 8, and then the closer to finish the game. What that fuck was he thinking about? he had it coming.
+primosuperfan1393 He leaves Prior in for close to 130 pitches and then brings in Kyle Fucking Farnsworth, of all people, to relieve. And when he starts to get in trouble because he's a power pitcher forced to throw his shitty breaking balls (which the video mentioned), what does he do? He KEEPS him in there!!! Dusty Baker is a fucking IDIOT and one of the worst managers of that era. He straight up cost the Giants the World Series just the year prior by pulling Russ Ortiz for god damn Felix Rodriguez, who EVERYONE but Baker knew was the absolute worst reliever the Giants had that year. Somehow, he gets ANOTHER job with the Reds, and ends up blowing a 2-0 series lead to his former team in the 2012 NLDS due to his absolutely horrendous pitching strategy. There's been a little bit of talk that the Dodgers may fire Mattingly if they don't win this year, and Dusty fucking Baker is one of the candidates they're supposedly considering to replace him. I hope like hell that happens because the Dodgers wont ever win with that absolute clown in the dugout. Fuck Dusty Baker. He's not fit to manage a McDonalds Express at the airport let alone a major league baseball club. That fucking jackwagon cost THREE separate franchises a World Series berth (I'm totally convined the Reds would've crushed the Cards in the NLCS in 2012 had they beat the Giants). He should be one of the most hated managers in baseball history.
+primosuperfan1393 I dont know if you remember but the Cubs had a horribe bullpen in 2003, they were 3rd to last in the league in bulpen ERA. thy were equivalent of the 2012-2013 Tigers bullpen that kept blowing their leads. Dusty didnt trust the pen, but still just two innings? Prior had already gotten an out.
Fun fact; the dude who actually caught the ball in the end was a lawyer and sold the ball on that very same year for $100k and walked Scot free from any controversy
11:50 The botched double play by Alex Gonzalez is what lost this game. Way more devastating than the Bartman incident. Probably one of the most overlooked plays in MLB history.
Coming from me a Marlins fan, in all fairness, u can't blame this loss on Steve Bartman. He as a fan have every right to that ball as Moises Alou. If u look at the replay, it was others reaching for that ball. In his defense, he probably reacted to the others reaching for the ball which happens to be in foul play. Alex Gonzales drop a sure double play ball. Nobody says anything about that. What about the pitching, horrible pitching. As a Marlins fan, I'm happy for the victory, but I'm saddened by the criticism, treatment, & death threats that guy Steve Bartman receive. It's just not right. Anybody that's in that seat that Steve Bartman was sitting in would've did the samething. And all of u know it. No matter how much knowledge for the game u may have. He's just being a fan. Reaching for a ball that was in foul play. Blame Alex Gonzales Cubs fans. Blame the pitching. Blame the curse of the Billy goat, but not Steve Bartman. U sore losers.
Terrel Bivins You are correct. Steve Bartman did what any fan would have done. I believe had Moises Alou not reacted that way, it would have changed everything. The players deserve the blame for letting that game get away.
Jeff Agrest U are so correct brother. It's sad that u still have people out there who still think he being Steve Bartman was the cause of the Cubs losing the series against the Marlins.
Terrel Bivins True you can't put the blame on the fans, but if Alou catches that ball, when that sac fly is done, that would be out #3, and was tied at three at the time, so who knows what happens if the catch happens.
Terrel Bivins As a 40-year Cub fan, I blame Florida for being better Baseball fans who weren't in a coma should have seen them coming. The coma excuse exonerates everyone at Fox and ESPN. I hoped Marlins would lose opening round, preferring Game 7 at SF to Game 7 anywhere vs Marlins. From June-Sept, they were best team in NL & after proving it in NLCS, they won the World Series. Watching on Fox though, it was hard to notice Marlins were even there, with so many foul ball replays & songs about Billy Goats
Jeff Agrest If it wasn't Bartman, it would've been someone else. Tensions were high. Though, agreed that if Alou did not react as so, Barman would've been fine, but I'm sure they would've went after Alex Gonzales for that error.
To be completely fair to Baker, Wood was already a walking injury before he started managing (Even had TJ in 99). But ruining Prior is honestly the biggest blemish on Baker's career.
To be fair, even back then in the late 90's-early 2000's, once a pitcher was at 100 pitches, there was someone always getting ready in the bullpen. Dusty Baker got ALOT of heat for the way he used Prior-Wood-Zambrano in 2003, with them throwing over 120-140 pitches many times during the season. It seemed like Dusty was going to let Prior finish this game 6, regardless of pitch count. But yeah, in today's game, a starting pitcher is only allowed to see a lineup twice and then hes taken out.
I remember watching this game in Cicis Pizza in Pensacola, Florida during college. I left the restaurant after the seventh inning, thinking all would be well. When I got back to my dorm, I was shocked.
kolboy757 I blame the loss in '03 not on Bartman but several other factors: - Dusty Baker left Mark Prior in the game too long, just like Grady Little did with Pedro Martinez when the Red Sox were also five outs from reaching the World Series, only to give up 3 Yankee runs and then Aaron Boone hit the walk-off home run in the 11th inning - Moises Alou overreacted when he couldn't catch that foul ball in the stands. He could've thought "it was just a missed opportunity" and not reacted the way he did. His overreaction rubbed off on the rest of the team. - Alex Gonzalez committed the error on a routine ground ball that could've easily been a 6-4-3 inning ending double play had he not bobbled the ball. He could've even gotten at least one out by nailing the runner at 2nd base. - Kyle Farnsworth made two intentional passes only to serve up 4 runs, one via a sac fly, and the other being Mike Mordecai's bases clearing double.
@@cubsrule2040 Putting any blame at all on Bartman is ridiculous. He gets 0% percent of the blame in a fair world. Umpire could have called interference and did NOT. So you can put some blame there. But beyond that Cubs just choked the shit out of it.. Deserved to lose..
@@Kinogotiate A fan without a bat, a glove, who did not pitch, hit, or do any fucking thing on that field in a 9 inning game is why they lost? No wonder it took this team about 200 years to win a WS.
Anyone else here in 2023 after watching The Bear because Jimmy’s story brought back a traumatic event? Can’t believe it’s been 20 years. I hope you’re doing well, Steve. Go Cubs.
Long time cubs fan. This was the first time I saw this since I saw it live and it still grips my heart. I feel for Bartman now knowing the Hell he went through because of this. The fans there hounded him, attacked him even mobbed his home. Dude had to escape to the suburbs and reinvent himself just to survive. But we lost that game and quite frankly we deserved to after the way we treated him
I remember watching this like it was yesterday. I thought it was all over for my Marlins until the Bartman incident. You could just feel the energy sucked out of the ball park.
Greetings to you sir from Florida or thereabouts and a Marlins fan from Scooby from near Chicago and a Cubs fan. Hopefully they'll get baseball in this year. Anyway, stay safe and good luck in all your journeys! 🦈
The Bartman controversy aside this is why postseason baseball is so great. Even sixteen years after this game was played you can still feel the energy and tension of the moment. Don't get me wrong. The NFL and NBA have exciting postseasons too, but I don't think they have the tense moments like they do in playoff baseball!
Max Benedict Supporter since the 90s. back to the future got me involved and the mets kinda ruined it, god bless the cubs and the fighting Indians. Baseball is a beautiful thing.
The crazy irony is that in Game 6 of the 2016 NLCS, the 8th inning ended on a double play that looked almost like the one Gonzalez wasn't able to glove.
even though they were already losing at that point, the bases-clearing double by mordecai was a real gut punch. you can literally hear the wind being knocked out of the entire stadium when the ball lands.
Yeah - there was no excuse for Dusty to pull Ortiz after two singles, when they had a 5 run lead. Let the guy try to get out of the jam. If a run or two scores in the process, it's not the end of the world.
Even now in 2023, I still find it extremely aggravating that they blamed Bartman for the failure despite the fact that the entire team completed their ice-cube-in-hell meltdown for the rest of that inning and series. Did Bartman make him throw wild the VERY NEXT PITCH?!
It was surreal watching this live on tv. Even though you were watching it on tv, you could feel the energy change in that stadium. You knew you were watching a train wreck about to happen.
Yes. It was surreal. Probably the most infamous MLB moment I've witnessed live in my life and I also saw the Jeter cutoff throw against Oakland in '01.
What's great about this series is in hindsight, the Marlins were such a better team. Who those players became and then most of the 03 Cubs fizzled out. It's crazy. I remember thinking at the time it was over, Cubs v NYY. Man the 03 Marlins were special. Thanks DD!
This was the first baseball game that ever had me outright sobbing. I wasn't born in 1984, so I didn't get to witness the ball go between Cubbie knees in San Diego. The Cubs had sucked all throughout my childhood. Outside of the big homerun race, the 90's was a pretty shit time to be a cubs fan. 2003 happened, and everything changed. I got my hopes up. I was EXCITED to be a baseball fan, a Cubbie fan, and my dad and I would sit side by side on the couch screaming and hooting at the TV. 5 outs away from glory, they collapsed, and my hopes were mercilessly crushed. Mom and dad had seen it before, and were tempered against the deep, breath-taking disappointment that the Cubs could dish out. I hadn't. I had no buffer, and I bawled my eyes out.
i was at that game when i lived in Chicago i sat about 5 rows from bartman man it was brutal. i thought it was crazy how he was treated people threw thier beer and food at him and were calling him words that i cant even type here i felt so bad for him i thought he was gonna get assualted
Every time I revisit this, it never ceases to amaze me how unprepared Dusty Baker was for Prior to run out of gas. Especially watching the Castillo at-bat. Prior goes into that AB having thrown 105 pitches and Castillo works a ten-pitch AB and then Dusty finally gets the divine inspiration to even bother to warm somebody up? That said, Farnsworth was absolutely no help. 19:57, the commentators are *literally* telling you why it's a bad idea that he's in the game and why it's about to backfire and it happens the very next pitch!
And that type of overuse is exactly what ruined Prior after this year. Wood is one thing since he already had Tommy John before Baker even got there, but ruining Prior is unforgivable.
Any rational manager would have pulled Mark Prior after his wild pitch walk considering his pitch count. But the fact that Dusty didn't even pull him after Pudge's hit or Gonzalez's error has to be one of the biggest managerial butcherings that I have ever seen.
I watched this live and felt bad for Bartman. I'm pretty sure anyone would have gone for the ball just like he did..it's a normal reaction. Never helped that Fox kept showing is face on TV adding remarks like "when the opposing team hits a homerun, they throw the ball back...I'm surprised someone hasn't thrown that fan onto the field" Yeah, real classy!
i WHOLEHEARTEDLY have always blamed this loss on Dusty Baker. just like he did in Game 7 of the 2002 World Series at Anaheim ... he did NOT trust his bullpen to protect a late-inning lead. I can understand Prior STARTING the 8th inning ... but when the tying run comes to the plate, Dusty should have pulled him then. he threw two hanging breakballs to Pudge and essentially got away with BOTH of them (though the second went for a single). there is NO reason not to trust your bullpen to get FIVE outs with a TWO-/THREE-run lead. that's simply inexcusable. and the same exact scenario torpedoed the Boston Red Sox in Game 7 of the ALCS at Yankee Stadium. and no .... I don't blame Bartman. I never really thought Moises Alou could have caught that foul ball, but the second FOX replay made it look a lot closer than I originally thought it was.
EXACTLY, i am A redsox fan, as a 12 year old i was LIVID AND PISSED that grady little did not take out pedro after the 7th inning when he faced trouble but got out of the jam. Now entering the 8th inning Pedro martinez did get first out, but he gave up a double to derek jeter, that is when little should have pulled Pedro, the sox bullpen was LIGHTSOUT during that series, so yes it is unacceptable to not think the sox bullpen could not get FIVE outs. Derek Lowe, should have been the first one out of the bullpen and maybe have timlin or scott williamson to close it out. Those guys EASILY could have gotten FIVE OUTS.
Lots of blame to go around here. Prior was clearly on fumes. Needing 11 pitches against Luis Castillo was the back breaker. Baker left him out there a couple batters too long Why? Because the Cubs bullpen was terrible. Bottom line: the Cubs soft underbelly got exploited.
Kind of reminds me about a battle I read about between an Iguanadon and a raptor in the early Cretaceous period of the age of dinosaurs. Now mind you, the Iguanadon was well known for his defensive measures including a fearsome spike weapon on his thumb. But this was no match for two raptors who attacked the Iguanadon. He did succeed in injuring the first raptor with his thumb spike, but the second raptor managed to leap onto his back. The first raptor, bad shoulder and all, leapt upon the Iguanadon's back too. Both raptors eventually made the Iguanadon lose his balance and topple on his back, exposing his soft underbelly. The two raptors right away killed the Iguanadon. The encounter according to scientists took place somewhere in Utah. This I read in the book *Walking With Dinosaurs* which was a miniseries on the Discovery Channel as I recall.
The play everyone forgets is Gonzales' bobbled ball. That was a play...true that the debacle started with Bartman but still... Oh and +Jeff Agrest I think this video would get a lot more hits if you changed its name to something like Bartman inning, 2003 ALCS Game 6 8th inning, etc.
I remember watching this game when I was 12. I was a huge Marlins fan as a little kid and my best friend in the neighborhood was a Cubs fan. Out of all of the games I've sat down and watched (and there have been many) this is the one I remember the most.
that would've been without doubt the greatest World Series Matchup in history but we were denied that by Little and Baker and the following year made that match up less special than it would be otherwise though I cant say I'm complaining with Cubs v Indians as consolation
1 out, 2 on, third empty and still 2 ahead. Its a no brainier to go to the bullpen. A fresh pitcher has a good chance to pull a double play. The next pitch was an error.
The fact the city of Chicago blamed him for the Cubes having a melt down is a disgrace. Gonzalez botched a simple play and Prior was left in way too long. Also why was the announcer acting like the was a 12 year old?
My friends grandfather a life long loyal Cubs fan was born in 1916. He was 87 when this happened. When the game ended you can tell in his eyes that he knew this was the final opportunities he had of seeing his beloved Cubs ever winning a World Series in his lifetime. He passed away in 2012 just 4 years shy of seeing his team finally win it.
As a sports fan it was one of the most remarkable and unforeseen series of events imaginable. The Marlins were dead in the water and I thought had no chance. The resilience that team had - this was their 5th comeback of that postseason to that point and people forget - they overcame a 3-1 deficit to win the series. Remarkable turnaround or collapse depending on how you look at it. But as a Marlins fan, I couldn't believe my eyes.
It's the blood in the water phenomenon, and it actually happens quite a bit with a team with good hitters, against a team that doesn't have a pitcher that can put a stop to it. All it takes is one mistake on the pitching team, for the momentum to shift - and suddenly hitters have this laser like focus on the ball. And each hit builds off the previous one, until there's a pitcher/hitter combination that finally brings it to a halt. Just look at Game 4 of the Cubs Giants NLDS, for a very similar example in the 9th - and it was certainly not the first time they've done that this season.
It was one of the most satisfying moments of my life to see so many Cub fans devastated. The shock and disappointment is something that I will always cherish. On occasion, when I feel a desire for sadistic pleasure, I watch this video.
This was heartbreaking for sure. As I was watching this, I was dying for the Cubs to just get to the World Series for the first time in my life. After that Bartman play, I just wanted them to get to the Series just for his sake, 'cause I knew right there he would get tons of unwanted attention; and blame if they lost! I never blamed him! I blame Alex Gonzalez, and the rest of the players, and Dusty (he left Prior in too long) for choking away the series! The fans that cursed, blamed, and threw stuff at Steve should be ashamed of themselves! And so should Steve Lyons who said "I'm surprised the fans didn't throw him onto the field". What a stupid, irresponsible thing to say!
Nobody mentions how awesome it is that the old commercials are included in this video. Talk about nostalgia lol.
No one mentions Juan Piere...dude began the rally with a double and run and then brought in the 8th run of the inning...insane
Dude it’s so wild. Pedo perv subway Jared. Then chunky Nick swardson in a battery commercial
I watched this game on TV live in '03 and remember almost every single one of these commercials.
No, no, no Adam ...
If you're in your 70s like me, nostalgia is seeing the commercials from games in the 60s.
What annoys me the most is how many freaking times the TV crew felt the need to replay the Bartman moment over and over again while Alex Gonzalez's misplay (the true turning point) was only replayed once. Not to mention the fact they kept showing Bartman in the stands. The TV crew was just as responsible for ruining this poor fan's life.
Totally true, but you left out how the criticism the commentators gave to Bartman, himself.
@@whatssogoodaboutindy6696 True. And who the heck (cameramen, commentators, players) gets this angry or critical on possible fan interference that was a FOUL BALL anyway? Years earlier Jeffrey Maier's obvious fan interference gave the Yankess a home run they hadn't earned. I can understand the Orioles anger at that. But most people treat foul ball, non called interference with a chuckle. It's a 'do over' so who cares?
I honestly didn't feel like the TV coverage was out of bounds. For most of the inning, they really didn't show the play. It wasn't until the final at-bat of the inning that they really revisited the play and it seems that was mostly because the fans were giving the poor kid so much heat and they were actually concerned for him -- the announcers even said as much. Replays like this are done all the time -- the only reason this one stands out is because the Cubs fans were such louts of Philadelphian proportion. The TV crew had no idea the fans were blow this thing up, no more so than a million other times such a thing has happened in a baseball game. To look at it differently from our armchairs in hindsight is profoundly unfair if not downright ignorant.
@@stephaniegormley9982 lt was because the Cubs never won a world series for 95 years at the time. They probably had family or someone call them to let them know it was the quiet guy with a good seat. I think Bartman had to be escorted out for his safety.
Alou's tantrum didn't help. He should have been more upset at the umpire than Steve. 7:39 shows he was pissed at the fan and not the umpire for ruling interferrence. At least Prior had the mindset to ask the umpire.
-Gonzalez error
-Baker left Prior in too long
That's what cost the Cubs this game and the series.
Chris H. it woulda been 2 outs 3-0 man on 2nd and gonzalez wouldnt have had to rush,what dont people understand about that?
daniel james and the wild pitch and walk does not happen
daniel james and they took the lead on a sac fly, that sac fly would have been the end of the damn inning
+Chris H. And if you wanna talk jinxes like Bartman, you might as well blame Bernie Mac as well
@@Mike-eo1bw didn't he botch the seventh inning stretch?
"I think he's gonna be scared to leave this place"
Never had truer words been spoken.
There is video of security taking him out under some sort of cover because they feared for Bartmans life.
What a classic video featuring commercials, too. A weird omen to see Jared from Subway there in the midst of this huge collapse.
how is it a weird omen
Cdub2k what does that have to do with a guy touching a foul ball
euginate13 it has nothing to do with Bartman. He's talking about those old Subway commercials @ 13:35 of this video
Cdub2k but why is that an omen
"what does that have to do with a guy touching a foul ball"
Think about that statement....
The Chicago media put Bartmans address on a live television broadcast. They literally incited a riot and put him and his family in fatal danger. He should have sued everyone involved.
Edit - Thanks for the likes!
Chicago is a democrat city ,.. they always place the blame firmly on someone elses shoulders,..
@@jimmyqjones7122
As opposed to Republican theology that likes to put the blame on the poor and the immigrants?
Fucken convenient way of thinking you got going there
16 years since this happened and the Cubs STILL have not won a World Series. 110 years and counting.
@@musicman76enator
Nice troll job.
Yeah they did a great job thats why we love our media in Chicago that guy deserved it
I bet Jack McKeon watches this video and thinks: "wow I was so young then. I was in my 80s." 😂
Underrated comment LOL
Best baseball memory in my life. 15 years old, varsity baseball, first gf, 1 year before my parents died. 2003 best year ever. Watched every moment with my dad.
sorry for your loss
Both your parents died at 15? That's really rough. Sorry.
@@shellymanway9250 The year after. 16 and 18.
@@JCic22 That's awful. I'm sorry.
Plus, this was game 6.
The Cubs had a chance to win the World Series in game 7.
Love those announcers. "Fans shouldn't take their anger out on the fan in the left field corner". Then just keep replaying the play over and over again, revving up the anger of the crowd, getting them more worked up and dangerous. So the TV broadcasters keep stirring up the pot, then cluck their thick tongues when the fan's life is endangered. Amazing.
The announcers aren't the ones directing the broadcast and cueing camera shots. They are reacting to what they are seeing on their monitors like everyone else. The crew behind the scenes directing the broadcast is responsible.
9:14 "I think he's going to be scared to leave this place." No idea, announcer. You have no idea.
The fans and the fox production crew ruined bartmans joy of rooting on these guys at every game!
Worst fans in all of sports, period
"I'm surprised someone hasn't thrown that fan onto the field." He's lucky it didn't come to that...
@@cyberpimp29 Notice that most cub fans have that mannequin look?
@@tylerwilson7166 no bartman ruined his own fun in costing thr cubs a certain world series win
I’m glad this isn’t 2019 or else Bartman would have zillions of phones in his face
Exactly LOL
This comment doesn’t even make any sense
I wish it was 2019 now :(
Didn't help bartman very much.
That Jared fogele commercial might be the scariest part of this video.
evil pedophile oooo but epstein island pervs get a free pass
😂😂😂
The camera quality and the announcers make this video seem so eery and dramatic.
lol! yeah what is that!? the eeriness of this video just adds to the superstitious nature of the Cubs.
M G the 2003 and 2004 ALCS were the same way. That’s why baseball was popular back then there was a mystique with a few series there that can’t be explained
Theatricality and superstition is the most prevalent in baseball by miles and miles
I always thought, and still think, Thom Brennaman was and is a better announcer than Joe Buck.
TheLocalLt perfectly put. Games today are almost shot too perfectly. The camera quality is too good. Everything feels too human. These games where they’re just a little grainy by today’s standards and can’t control crowd noise quite as well makes the games almost seem mythical. Same can be said of a lot of playoff games especially ones at Yankee stadium such as the 2003 ALCS happening at the same time as this series.
Every Christmas Steve Bartman gets a card from Alex Gonzalez saying "Thank You"
This is now my head canon.
Gozo that clown went on mlb network breaking down his own screw up acting like nothing was wrong lol
The Marlins beat the Yankees
5 reasons you can't blame
Why not the terrible shortstop?
i don't think we'll ever see a crowd go from that electric to that silent in such a short time
I was there, and I've never felt a greater switch in energy in my entire life. Really jarring. Prior was cruising, it was a total party atmosphere. And then the wheels came off. 😭
was it silent?
I don't understand why I am watching this nightmare again.
Because it's fun
@@sopamarucha2388 That is fun for you? Are you off your meds?
@@cfx5000 I'm talking about the game dummy
but Cubs won in 2016, i thought yall can move past this
Bartman didn't lose this game. The Cubs did. The fact this guy's normal life was practically ruined because of this is actually, when you look back at it, downright insane and sad. There were 5 other pairs of hands who were trying to catch that ball. It was a FOUL ball that was out of the field of play. It was only the 8th inning, not the final play of the game (Just typing that, makes the situation that much more insane and it shows how stupid sports fans can be). The Cubs lost the game.
They really should bring Bartman back to throw out the pitch at one of the upcoming games. The guy deserves that much as he truly was a die-hard fan.
Then if the Cubs were to lose they'd blame the continuation of the curse on him. No bueno. He's moved on. Who knows if he even still lives in the area and supports the team any longer.
Mitch Farkas Red Sox fans forgive Bucker after almost 18 years.
Mitch Farkas because Cub fans are Huge Babies and pieces Of shit.
Mitch Farkas yeah okay...hes probably a Marlins fan now. I remember Marlins gave him asylum back then
JD VG I'm a Red Sox fan and never blamed Bill Buckner to begin with. Wasn't his fault, the game was already lost when that ball rolled through his legs. If I had to blame anyone I'd blame Bob Stanley for throwing a wild pitch that allowed the tying run to score.
People forget that Moises Alou was a huge reason why the Marlins won the 1997 World title.
yea he should have been the mvp over livan hernanandez
By this point he was on the downside and not a good clubhouse player. Also he was trash as a outfielder.
And Jose Mesa! :)
If that’s all it takes for a team to lose its composure, its momentum, then that team doesn’t deserve to win the pennant. Much less the World Series. Very unprofessional
As much as I, an Indians fan, don't want to talk about that, I think Alou should be in the HOF
Alex Gonzalez , that's who Cubs fans should be mad at.
Ross Morgan and Dusty Baker, left Prior in way too long
Ross Morgan I completely agree.
Ross Morgann it woulda been 2 outs 3-0 man on 2nd and gonzalez wouldnt have had to rush
daniel james and the wild pitch and walk does not happen
daniel james and they took the lead on a sac fly, that sac fly would have been the end of the damn inning
110+ pitches and no activity in the bullpen? The Cubs lost this one through poor strategy.
Dusty liked to show confidence in his starters prior and wood and Carlos consistently went 8 deep that whole season.
Jason Lange Dusty is an old school manager, he doesnt believe in modern sabremetrics and was okay with just letting his starting pitcher go up there and throw his arm off.
Felt if it aint broke dont fix it....
Yes but dont wait for it to break either! fix it before it breaks! This is why Dusty is out of a job now.
+Jason Lange Cub's bullpen was not very good and the Marlins had beaten them up all series. I think Dusty made the right decision, just bad luck and bad composure on the part of the entire Cub's team.
+Cathalo they should've gone to wood considering the World Series was on the line
The right decision how, Cathalo? By leaving prior in? Or by going to Farnsworth _after_ prior?
Cause I think both were bad choices. Prior had a tendency to struggle in the later innings (typical for a rookie to get tired and not be able to handle deep innings) so leaving him in was bad.
Bringing in Farnsworth to face two fastball hitters in Conine and Mike Lowell was also a bad idea! Even the broadcasters said they couldn't believe a fastball thrower like Farnsworth was facing Conine.
This Marlins team was loaded with future all stars. Derek Lee, Pudge, Miguel Cabrera. Josh Beckett, Mike Lowell. With that being said, the Gonzalez error was mostly to blame for this inning collapse. NOT Bartman.
Baseball is so damn timeless.
Still hurts to watch this, even 19 years later. Wow 19 years.
@@MelodyJ_123 What is sad is you look at about 3 Older fans especially at 17:58 She probably never lived to see the Cubs win it all in 2016.
I loved it Marlins fan here
Should've taken Prior out of the game he had over 110 pitches. He was out of gas at this point. Dumb managing by Dusty Baker cost the Cubs.
He was at 115 pitches at the point where he walked Castillo on a WP, that sent Pierre to third. That's exactly when he should've pulled him.
Take Prior out? Are you kidding? He had several 130 pitch games that season. Back then, Pitchers didn't see 100 pitches as some magic number. He was still throwing 96 mph with movement in that 8th inning. @12:43, that was a perfectly located 96 mph fastball down and in, and Derek Lee put a great swing on it.The Cubs had NOTHING like that in the bullpen. The Cubs had someone warming up in the bullpen as soon as Pierre got on. @7:11. Here's Kyle Farnsworth warming up in the bullpen. The allegation the Cubs had "nobody warming up" is a lie that got peddled by Bob Costas after the fact. Also, Prior was a righty who threw hard with movement, and that season, he was murder to right handed power pitchers. The Marlins had THREE righties, Pudge Rodriguez and Miguel Cabrera and Derek Lee coming up. Maybe, you ought to CREDIT the Marlins and how GREAT that lineup was. In that 8th inning, Prior faced THREE STRAIGHT MVPs in Rodriguez, Cabrera and Lee, and they all came through. You REALLY believe Farnsworth would have got them out?
Emmanuel Enyinwa
His last outing (Game 2), he was pulled in the 8th inning at 116 pitches, after a single and an error. In that case, however, the Cubs had a 12-2 lead.
In Game 6, he reached 115 pitches when he walked Castillo with a wild pitch. He'd already given up a double. And the Cubs only had a 3 run lead.
Shows you how backwards Baker is. Farnsworth should've been warming up starting the 8th inning, so he was ready as soon as Prior threw that wild pitch ball 4.
Beyond that - he was obviously out of gas. First the wild pitch, and giving up 3 well hit balls in under 5 pitches. Even that "grounder" was more of a high velocity chopper that would eat up a lot of infielders.
Digital_Utopia I can't convince you otherwise, but I will put my thoughts on this thread because more open minded people can read it. Blaming Baker for what happened in that 8th inning is silly. For the longest time, I kept hearing Bob Costas repeat that "Baker never had anybody warming up the entire time". That has been proved a LIE. Baker had Farnsworth up with Prior at 101 pitches right after Prior threw that wild pitch to Castillo.@7:11. But, Baker decided to have Prior face Pudge Rodriguez. It's true he hung a pitch to Pudge, and Pudge singled in a run. At that point, Prior was at 107 pitches. This is NOT a high pitch count. Prior threw 115 TOTAL pitches that night. That is NOT a high pitch count even by today's prissy standards. Again, Prior was STILL throwing 96 mph with movement. He induced a double play grounder on the next pitch. It's not Baker's fault that Gonzalez booted that to load the bases with one out. At this point, bringing in Farnsworth from the pen to face Derrek Lee was not ideal. Prior is a ground ball pitcher, and he had handled Lee up to this point. A double play STILL gets the Cubs out of the inning, but a bloop ties the game, and a walk puts the winning run at 3rd with a run in.
So, Baker decided to stick with Prior one more batter. Prior threw a perfectly located 96 mph fastball down an in.@12:41. Either Lee was looking for it, or guessed right, but he drilled it to left, scoring the two runners, and, importantly, advanced to 2nd. At this point, Baker pulled Prior and brought in Farnsworth, who gave up a sac fly to put the Cubs behind. Baker then did the percentage thing of an intentional walk to Jeff Conine to set up the double play, but Farnsworth gave up a bases clearing triple. Baker then pulled Farnsworth and brought in Mike Remlinger, who gave up another rbi single. It was a claasic case of events snowballing out of control. It's easy to look at it in retrospect and blame Baker, but that is grossly unfair.
Emmanuel Enyinwa
There's a difference between being "open minded" and simply knowing the game. If you're wrong, the people disagreeing with you, aren't "close minded", they're just correcting you.
Well, first off - my point wasn't that he had nobody warming up in the bullpen at all - obviously Farnsworth got warmed at some point. The complaint is that he didn't have his bullpen warming up at the start of the inning. There's absolutely no excuse to not have at least someone up in the bullpen in the late innings of a close game. I don't care what the pitch count is. You don't want to be caught with your pants down, if your starter starts getting into trouble.
Second, I think you have your pitch counts off. He entered the inning at 95 pitches. Threw 4 pitches to Mordecai, threw 6 to Pierre (105), then threw 9 to Castillo (114), followed by 3 to Pudge, and one to each Cabrerra and Lee.(119) So, by the time he threw that wild pitch, he was only two pitches from his total pitches in Game 2.
Third, the number of pitches itself is meaningless - without taking into the condition and performance of the pitcher. The same pitcher could be sharp for 120 pitches one start, and start serving up beach balls at 100 pitches the next.
For example Prior threw a 133 pitch complete game against the Braves in Game 3 of the NLDS, but was pulled after giving up a single, and another runner reaching on an error, after only throwing 116 pitches in the 8th, of Game 2. Which was kinda ironic, considering the Cubs had a 10 run lead at that point.
Fourth - when a pitcher gets tired, it's not just location, or executing sharp breaking balls that suffer. It also affects both velocity, and how well the pitcher "hides" the pitch from the hitter. If the hitter can see what you're throwing as it comes out of your hand, it's going to get hit - hard.
So, at the 114th pitch he throws a wild pitch. Any good manager would immediately pull him out at that point. Especially considering how flustered that foul ball got him.
If he did that, and then let Farnsworth actually pitch, instead of intentionally walking the bases loaded, twice - we would've had some padding for any mistakes. But having a reliever up there for three batters, and only having him throw one real pitch, is a horrible way of keeping a reliever warmed up, and letting him get a rhythm.
But let's say Farnsworth and Remlinger perform exactly the same way, as they did. This time pulling Prior after he walked Castillo.
Farnsworth gives up a sac fly - Castillo to 2nd, Pierre scores. Score 3-1. 2 outs.
Farnsworth gives up a double to Rodriguez, Castillo scores, Score 3-2 2 outs
Farnsworth out, Remlinger in.
Remlinger gives up a single to Cabrerra - Rodriguez to 3rd.
Remlinger gets Lee to pop up to 2nd - 3 outs.
The 2003 bullpen wasn't amazing - but they were better than a burned out starter, and a manager trying to get cute by intentionally walking a .200 hitter. Of course, since the Marlins would never reach the pitcher spot, there would be no need to have Hollandsworth pinch hit.
This isn't 2nd guessing. This is managing a game, the way that it should be managed. The way it makes sense. You don't just expect your starter to not get into trouble - to the point where you only start warming up your bullpen when trouble emerges. Especially in the late innings with a small lead. You can't even tell me that they never did that back then - when Baker did the exact same thing in Game 2.
Now, that's not saying that the Cubs would've necessarily won that game. Just look at the Cubs/Giants Game 4 of this year's NLDS. Bochy made all the right moves, but the Cubs still got consecutive hits off of consecutive relievers. But the manager can't win the game - all he can do is put his team in the best position to win. Bochy did that, Baker did the exact opposite.
Still one of the most surreal moments I've seen in MLB playoffs
That was a stacked marlines lineup...you shouldn't be stunned...they should of taken prior out earlier...
Listen to what the announcer is talking about at the very beginning of the inning. It couldn’t be more obviously scripted. It’s just a coincidence that on the same date they won in 1908 they also have the Bartman incident and the historic meltdown
You’re telling me the “script” said to hit it to the fan and to interfere ? 😂
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This was totally Baker's fault. Those hangers to Pudge clearly indicated Prior's out of gas, should have pulled him by that point, not let him stay out there to eventually put the go ahead run on base!
Dusty Baker has a history of terrible managing in Post Season games.
Game 6 2002 World Series
Game 6 2003 NLCS
Game 5 2012 NLDS
+Jude Law I posted this just above, but I feel like I have to copy paste it just to truly emphasize how downright AWFUL Dusty Baker is.
He leaves Prior in for close to 130 pitches and then brings in Kyle Fucking Farnsworth, of all people, to relieve. And when he starts to get in trouble because he's a power pitcher forced to throw his shitty breaking balls (which the video mentioned), what does he do? He KEEPS him in there!!! Dusty Baker is a fucking IDIOT and one of the worst managers of that era. He straight up cost the Giants the World Series just the year prior by pulling Russ Ortiz for god damn Felix Rodriguez, who EVERYONE but Baker knew was the absolute worst reliever the Giants had that year. Somehow, he gets ANOTHER job with the Reds, and ends up blowing a 2-0 series lead to his former team in the 2012 NLDS due to his absolutely horrendous pitching strategy.
There's been a little bit of talk that the Dodgers may fire Mattingly if they don't win this year, and Dusty fucking Baker is one of the candidates they're supposedly considering to replace him. I hope like hell that happens because the Dodgers wont ever win with that absolute clown in the dugout.
Fuck Dusty Baker. He's not fit to manage a McDonalds Express at the airport let alone a major league baseball club. That fucking jackwagon cost THREE separate franchises a World Series berth (I'm totally convined the Reds would've crushed the Cards in the NLCS in 2012 had they beat the Giants). He should be one of the most hated managers in baseball history.
"Old School " manager who goes by the old school rules. Lol
Also I was curious why Prior kept pitching inside to Pudge especially ahead in the count 0-2. He should’ve threw a pitch outside to switch it up, instead Pudge jumped on the next inside pitch and got the RBI single.
"Although I do not consider myself worthy of such an honor, I am deeply moved and sincerely grateful to receive an official Chicago Cubs 2016 World Series Championship ring. I am fully aware of the historical significance and appreciate the symbolism the ring represents on multiple levels. My family and I will cherish it for generations. Most meaningful is the genuine outreach from the Ricketts family, on behalf of the Cubs organization and fans, signifying to me that I am welcomed back into the Cubs family and have their support going forward. I am relieved and hopeful that the saga of the 2003 foul ball incident surrounding my family and me is finally over."
It shouldn't have taken them winning the championship for Bartman to be forgiven. He didn't even need to be forgiven in the first place!
@@shellymanway9250 True. He shouldn't have accepted jewellery from this shitty organization and their cult of mentally retarded, fanatical weirdos.
@@shellymanway9250 he should have been given an apology
He cost the Cubs an out. When you need just five to win, that is big.@@shellymanway9250
I thought this video was cursed and then the Jared from Subway commercial came on and now my room is full of locusts.
I remember watching this live and when I saw the flashback of the 1908 team (1:00 mark) I couldn't help but think to myself "they just jinxed us"
Patrick Mautner The fact that they opened the inning talking about 1908 just shows how obviously scripted sports are
@Vinnie Provolone Of course! Did you know that Bernie Mac was a South Sider and a Sox fan? That alone killed the Cubs momentum.
@Vinnie Provolone Fascinating fact! Four years before this fiasco if you're blaming the Sox, the Cubs were cruising in 1999 and within just one game behind the Astros when the Sox came to Wrigley and promptly swept the Cubs. That sent the Cubs into a merciless downward spiral the whole second half of 1999 that saw them win a mere 17 games down that sad stretch after the All Star Break. 95 games the Cubs lost that season and that led to the firing of their manager.
Yep. The Curse of Wrigley Field.
@@scoobycarr5558 damn man good info
A. If Moises Alou doesn't throw a fit then the mood in the stadium/city of Chicago doesn't change like it did in the blink of an eye
B. Fox should be ashamed of themselves for showing Bartman over and over and saying "I'm surprised somebody hasn't thrown that fan on the field".
C. Cubs fans should be ashamed of themselves for how they treated him
Well,..democrat people tend to blame others for all their own problems,..that's chi for ya
7:37 a man’s life would change forever
The network/broadcasters sure didn't do Bartman any favors with how much they talked about the foul ball and how many times they replayed it on tv, geez
Jason Weaver Fox might actually more at fault than anyone else. If they didn't keep replaying that moment, the fans probably would have forgotten about it. Probably. Assuming the Cubs would not give up 8 runs.
yeah,..its all Bartman's fault that the cubs gave up 8 runs and Farnsworth sucks,..
In the Catching Hell documentary, the Fox producer on site at the stadium admitted to going overboard on the replays and blamed himself for the abuse Bartman endured afterward.
He said he was obsessing over whether Alou would have caught the ball, leading him to show the replay as many times as he did. I'm guessing he was also unaware just how hostile the crowd was becoming.
I love how the media, starting with the announcers, incited violence against an innocent fan. "Throw him onto the field, haha!" Then later that night the Chicago media put Bartmams HOME ADDRESS on television and literally INCITED a riot!
Oh come on the media would never try to stir up violence…
@@JC-hi8fk lol
Sounds so much like all those Black Lives Matters riots last year!
You’re joking that they put his home address on tv right? That’s mad fcked up lol
You mean to tell me that Dusty Baker left a pitcher in too long and blew a lead? I. Am. So. Shocked.
Alex Gonzalez and Dusty Baker lost this game. Not bartman.
Especially Dusty. As soon as Castillo got on base he should've brought Farnsworth in.
He should have had people working in the bullpen at least. Prior came in to the inning around 100 pitches.
You @FOOL
No Bartman did it. The Billy goats spirit went it Bartman and caused him to screw it up. Beware Cub fans, ol Billy spirit is lurking seeking to screw it up for ya again. Just wait on it
Farnsworth WAS warming up in the bullpen BEFORE the Bartman incident. @7:11.
This was on my birthday, and I was in college at the time working on a paper assignment for a Health class. I was 23 years old at the time. Now 36 and wondering if this will be the year the Cubs make it to the series in my lifetime!
Zach Allen Well theyre in the World Series now and I'm in college..Go figure
5 years later, looks like you got your wish. Hope they make it back again one day! From a Marlins fan!
This is all Dusty's fault.
Your starting pitcher has given you 7 shutout innings and has over 100 pitches. The obvious thing to do, is bring the setup man for the 8, and then the closer to finish the game. What that fuck was he thinking about? he had it coming.
+primosuperfan1393 He leaves Prior in for close to 130 pitches and then brings in Kyle Fucking Farnsworth, of all people, to relieve. And when he starts to get in trouble because he's a power pitcher forced to throw his shitty breaking balls (which the video mentioned), what does he do? He KEEPS him in there!!! Dusty Baker is a fucking IDIOT and one of the worst managers of that era. He straight up cost the Giants the World Series just the year prior by pulling Russ Ortiz for god damn Felix Rodriguez, who EVERYONE but Baker knew was the absolute worst reliever the Giants had that year. Somehow, he gets ANOTHER job with the Reds, and ends up blowing a 2-0 series lead to his former team in the 2012 NLDS due to his absolutely horrendous pitching strategy.
There's been a little bit of talk that the Dodgers may fire Mattingly if they don't win this year, and Dusty fucking Baker is one of the candidates they're supposedly considering to replace him. I hope like hell that happens because the Dodgers wont ever win with that absolute clown in the dugout.
Fuck Dusty Baker. He's not fit to manage a McDonalds Express at the airport let alone a major league baseball club. That fucking jackwagon cost THREE separate franchises a World Series berth (I'm totally convined the Reds would've crushed the Cards in the NLCS in 2012 had they beat the Giants). He should be one of the most hated managers in baseball history.
Dusty baker was an old fashioned manger that if you were doing great he'd let you in until something big happened
+primosuperfan1393 I dont know if you remember but the Cubs had a horribe bullpen in 2003, they were 3rd to last in the league in bulpen ERA. thy were equivalent of the 2012-2013 Tigers bullpen that kept blowing their leads. Dusty didnt trust the pen, but still just two innings? Prior had already gotten an out.
+jollken56 that's the greatest most insightful comment I've ever read. Props for making the truth clear man.
+Steven Lathrop talking about the first comment.
Fun fact; the dude who actually caught the ball in the end was a lawyer and sold the ball on that very same year for $100k and walked Scot free from any controversy
He didn’t walk free from any controversy that’s a lie
11:50 The botched double play by Alex Gonzalez is what lost this game. Way more devastating than the Bartman incident. Probably one of the most overlooked plays in MLB history.
Eh, it's still talked about, just not as much as Bartman is. Poor guy.
yeah,..but Bartman's nerdy looking and feeble ,..way more fun for democrats to pick on him in chi,..
Don’t forget Sosa missing the cutoff man.
@@jimmyqjones7122 wtf do Democrats have to do with this?
Lol @ the Jared subway commercial...
And Bartman looks like him too
mramos4131 yeah?
@@MiguelJimenez-uc3yz No. No, he doesn't.
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Yeah he does
Not a dead ringer but they have similar look
Imagine if a Jello pudding pop commercial came right after.
I was a teenage Marlins fan in 2003 and this game made me a true believer of the curse of the billy goat 😂
Coming from me a Marlins fan, in all fairness, u can't blame this loss on Steve Bartman. He as a fan have every right to that ball as Moises Alou. If u look at the replay, it was others reaching for that ball. In his defense, he probably reacted to the others reaching for the ball which happens to be in foul play. Alex Gonzales drop a sure double play ball. Nobody says anything about that. What about the pitching, horrible pitching. As a Marlins fan, I'm happy for the victory, but I'm saddened by the criticism, treatment, & death threats that guy Steve Bartman receive. It's just not right. Anybody that's in that seat that Steve Bartman was sitting in would've did the samething. And all of u know it. No matter how much knowledge for the game u may have. He's just being a fan. Reaching for a ball that was in foul play. Blame Alex Gonzales Cubs fans. Blame the pitching. Blame the curse of the Billy goat, but not Steve Bartman. U sore losers.
Terrel Bivins You are correct. Steve Bartman did what any fan would have done. I believe had Moises Alou not reacted that way, it would have changed everything. The players deserve the blame for letting that game get away.
Jeff Agrest U are so correct brother. It's sad that u still have people out there who still think he being Steve Bartman was the cause of the Cubs losing the series against the Marlins.
Terrel Bivins True you can't put the blame on the fans, but if Alou catches that ball, when that sac fly is done, that would be out #3, and was tied at three at the time, so who knows what happens if the catch happens.
Terrel Bivins As a 40-year Cub fan, I blame Florida for being better
Baseball fans who weren't in a coma should have seen them coming.
The coma excuse exonerates everyone at Fox and ESPN.
I hoped Marlins would lose opening round, preferring Game 7 at SF to Game 7 anywhere vs Marlins. From June-Sept, they were best team in NL & after proving it in NLCS, they won the World Series. Watching on Fox though, it was hard to notice Marlins were even there, with so many foul ball replays & songs about Billy Goats
Jeff Agrest If it wasn't Bartman, it would've been someone else. Tensions were high. Though, agreed that if Alou did not react as so, Barman would've been fine, but I'm sure they would've went after Alex Gonzales for that error.
Dusty Baker. The guy who killed Wood, and Prior's careers. What a talent Mark Prior was.
To be completely fair to Baker, Wood was already a walking injury before he started managing (Even had TJ in 99). But ruining Prior is honestly the biggest blemish on Baker's career.
LoL 110 pitches and nobody warming up in the pen. What a different game it is now
To be fair, even back then in the late 90's-early 2000's, once a pitcher was at 100 pitches, there was someone always getting ready in the bullpen.
Dusty Baker got ALOT of heat for the way he used Prior-Wood-Zambrano in 2003, with them throwing over 120-140 pitches many times during the season. It seemed like Dusty was going to let Prior finish this game 6, regardless of pitch count.
But yeah, in today's game, a starting pitcher is only allowed to see a lineup twice and then hes taken out.
I remember watching this game in Cicis Pizza in Pensacola, Florida during college. I left the restaurant after the seventh inning, thinking all would be well. When I got back to my dorm, I was shocked.
It was never Steve Bartman's fault
kolboy757 I blame the loss in '03 not on Bartman but several other factors:
- Dusty Baker left Mark Prior in the game too long, just like Grady Little did with Pedro Martinez when the Red Sox were also five outs from reaching the World Series, only to give up 3 Yankee runs and then Aaron Boone hit the walk-off home run in the 11th inning
- Moises Alou overreacted when he couldn't catch that foul ball in the stands. He could've thought "it was just a missed opportunity" and not reacted the way he did. His overreaction rubbed off on the rest of the team.
- Alex Gonzalez committed the error on a routine ground ball that could've easily been a 6-4-3 inning ending double play had he not bobbled the ball. He could've even gotten at least one out by nailing the runner at 2nd base.
- Kyle Farnsworth made two intentional passes only to serve up 4 runs, one via a sac fly, and the other being Mike Mordecai's bases clearing double.
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Putting any blame at all on Bartman is ridiculous. He gets 0% percent of the blame in a fair world. Umpire could have called interference and did NOT. So you can put some blame there. But beyond that Cubs just choked the shit out of it.. Deserved to lose..
Wrong!
@@dbreiden83080 nope he gets 100% of the blame
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A fan without a bat, a glove, who did not pitch, hit, or do any fucking thing on that field in a 9 inning game is why they lost? No wonder it took this team about 200 years to win a WS.
Anyone else here in 2023 after watching The Bear because Jimmy’s story brought back a traumatic event? Can’t believe it’s been 20 years. I hope you’re doing well, Steve. Go Cubs.
He was pretty accurate in his “preaching” to Carmy!
@@NMasterD26 he was extremely accurate.
Yes! I just watched this because of that.
Just paused it to come watch this video!
2:48 around there u can see bartman waving
Poor guy had no idea he was about to make history for all the wrong reasons.
Wow.. minutes before his life would change for the worse forever...
I remember watching this game live. God I laughed my ass off that night. Good times...
Long time cubs fan. This was the first time I saw this since I saw it live and it still grips my heart. I feel for Bartman now knowing the Hell he went through because of this. The fans there hounded him, attacked him even mobbed his home. Dude had to escape to the suburbs and reinvent himself just to survive. But we lost that game and quite frankly we deserved to after the way we treated him
This moment was long forgotten when the Cubs took a 5-3 lead in Game 7
It only became important after the fact
So painful to watch, even after all these years.
Best inning in all of baseball ever to watch!!!! Go every whoever plays the cubs!
Must be one of the losers who like the white sox or cardinals
I remember watching this like it was yesterday. I thought it was all over for my Marlins until the Bartman incident. You could just feel the energy sucked out of the ball park.
Greetings to you sir from Florida or thereabouts and a Marlins fan from Scooby from near Chicago and a Cubs fan. Hopefully they'll get baseball in this year. Anyway, stay safe and good luck in all your journeys! 🦈
It was Alou's fault. His anger got the better of him.
The Bartman controversy aside this is why postseason baseball is so great. Even sixteen years after this game was played you can still feel the energy and tension of the moment. Don't get me wrong. The NFL and NBA have exciting postseasons too, but I don't think they have the tense moments like they do in playoff baseball!
also literally every person in the stadium was in the moment. no iPhone bullshit. playoff baseball was much better that way.
I'm from the year 2016. The Cubs win it all!!!
Max Benedict Supporter since the 90s. back to the future got me involved and the mets kinda ruined it, god bless the cubs and the fighting Indians. Baseball is a beautiful thing.
@@shaayne933 what's funny is the cubs did fought the miami marlins twice. Both times they lost to them 0.0
Now this video can rest in peace and get out of your lives for good. Congrats Chicago Cubs 2016...
The crazy irony is that in Game 6 of the 2016 NLCS, the 8th inning ended on a double play that looked almost like the one Gonzalez wasn't able to glove.
I'm not sure they get one on that one
Another irony is in 2016 the cubs won the ws after beeing down 3-1 just like choking a 3-1 lead in that 2003 nlcs
even though they were already losing at that point, the bases-clearing double by mordecai was a real gut punch. you can literally hear the wind being knocked out of the entire stadium when the ball lands.
As a life long Cubs fan, I feel like Jackie O if she was watching the Zapruder film
Cub fan here too.
I agree...15 years later, this is hard to watch.
BM151 Grow up. Moron.
11:57
That's what truly costed the game.
Steve Bartman is the best thing that ever happened to Alex Gonzalez.
dusty cost the Giants the 2002 world series and the Cubs the 2003 NL Pennant. Has nothing to do with a random foul ball
In 2002 WS Gm6 he took out his starter too soon and in 2003 NLCS Gm6 he took him out too late!
I agree, Baker shoulda taken Prior out when the Cubs were up 3-1. No question. You knew he was thinking it.
Nah, he should've been gone right after throwing that wild pitch to Castillo.
Yeah - there was no excuse for Dusty to pull Ortiz after two singles, when they had a 5 run lead. Let the guy try to get out of the jam. If a run or two scores in the process, it's not the end of the world.
what about the 2012 Reds up 2-0 to the Giants in the NLDS? Did Dusty do anything to screw that up too?
Even now in 2023, I still find it extremely aggravating that they blamed Bartman for the failure despite the fact that the entire team completed their ice-cube-in-hell meltdown for the rest of that inning and series. Did Bartman make him throw wild the VERY NEXT PITCH?!
It was surreal watching this live on tv. Even though you were watching it on tv, you could feel the energy change in that stadium. You knew you were watching a train wreck about to happen.
Yes. It was surreal. Probably the most infamous MLB moment I've witnessed live in my life and I also saw the Jeter cutoff throw against Oakland in '01.
Felt the same over the radio
What's great about this series is in hindsight, the Marlins were such a better team. Who those players became and then most of the 03 Cubs fizzled out. It's crazy. I remember thinking at the time it was over, Cubs v NYY. Man the 03 Marlins were special. Thanks DD!
This was the first baseball game that ever had me outright sobbing. I wasn't born in 1984, so I didn't get to witness the ball go between Cubbie knees in San Diego. The Cubs had sucked all throughout my childhood. Outside of the big homerun race, the 90's was a pretty shit time to be a cubs fan. 2003 happened, and everything changed. I got my hopes up. I was EXCITED to be a baseball fan, a Cubbie fan, and my dad and I would sit side by side on the couch screaming and hooting at the TV. 5 outs away from glory, they collapsed, and my hopes were mercilessly crushed. Mom and dad had seen it before, and were tempered against the deep, breath-taking disappointment that the Cubs could dish out. I hadn't. I had no buffer, and I bawled my eyes out.
I bet that made 2016 that much sweeter. I’m not even a Cubs fan but that was probably the best series I’ve ever watched
i was at that game when i lived in Chicago i sat about 5 rows from bartman man it was brutal. i thought it was crazy how he was treated people threw thier beer and food at him and were calling him words that i cant even type here i felt so bad for him i thought he was gonna get assualted
22:47 *_WHERE CAN I BUY A PICTURE PHONE??_*
Every time I revisit this, it never ceases to amaze me how unprepared Dusty Baker was for Prior to run out of gas. Especially watching the Castillo at-bat. Prior goes into that AB having thrown 105 pitches and Castillo works a ten-pitch AB and then Dusty finally gets the divine inspiration to even bother to warm somebody up?
That said, Farnsworth was absolutely no help. 19:57, the commentators are *literally* telling you why it's a bad idea that he's in the game and why it's about to backfire and it happens the very next pitch!
6:04 Agreed, then he got up to 110 pitches thrown during the Castillo at bat.
And that type of overuse is exactly what ruined Prior after this year. Wood is one thing since he already had Tommy John before Baker even got there, but ruining Prior is unforgivable.
Thom Brennaman called the fateful pitch that was a "drive into deep left"... 😮
THE CUBS ARE GOING TO THE WORLD SERIES!!!
Who’s here after the episode from the bear season 2?
yep lol
Oh, absolutely I am. That was a great fucking scene.
3:01 these fans have no idea. none
Any rational manager would have pulled Mark Prior after his wild pitch walk considering his pitch count. But the fact that Dusty didn't even pull him after Pudge's hit or Gonzalez's error has to be one of the biggest managerial butcherings that I have ever seen.
And Baker seemed all too happy to blame Bartmam after the game despite the fact he did nothing to calm his guys down.
I watched this live and felt bad for Bartman. I'm pretty sure anyone would have gone for the ball just like he did..it's a normal reaction. Never helped that Fox kept showing is face on TV adding remarks like "when the opposing team hits a homerun, they throw the ball back...I'm surprised someone hasn't thrown that fan onto the field" Yeah, real classy!
i WHOLEHEARTEDLY have always blamed this loss on Dusty Baker. just like he did in Game 7 of the 2002 World Series at Anaheim ... he did NOT trust his bullpen to protect a late-inning lead. I can understand Prior STARTING the 8th inning ... but when the tying run comes to the plate, Dusty should have pulled him then. he threw two hanging breakballs to Pudge and essentially got away with BOTH of them (though the second went for a single). there is NO reason not to trust your bullpen to get FIVE outs with a TWO-/THREE-run lead. that's simply inexcusable.
and the same exact scenario torpedoed the Boston Red Sox in Game 7 of the ALCS at Yankee Stadium.
and no .... I don't blame Bartman. I never really thought Moises Alou could have caught that foul ball, but the second FOX replay made it look a lot closer than I originally thought it was.
EXACTLY, i am A redsox fan, as a 12 year old i was LIVID AND PISSED that grady little did not take out pedro after the 7th inning when he faced trouble but got out of the jam. Now entering the 8th inning Pedro martinez did get first out, but he gave up a double to derek jeter, that is when little should have pulled Pedro, the sox bullpen was LIGHTSOUT during that series, so yes it is unacceptable to not think the sox bullpen could not get FIVE outs. Derek Lowe, should have been the first one out of the bullpen and maybe have timlin or scott williamson to close it out. Those guys EASILY could have gotten FIVE OUTS.
Lots of blame to go around here. Prior was clearly on fumes. Needing 11 pitches against Luis Castillo was the back breaker. Baker left him out there a couple batters too long Why? Because the Cubs bullpen was terrible. Bottom line: the Cubs soft underbelly got exploited.
Kind of reminds me about a battle I read about between an Iguanadon and a raptor in the early Cretaceous period of the age of dinosaurs. Now mind you, the Iguanadon was well known for his defensive measures including a fearsome spike weapon on his thumb. But this was no match for two raptors who attacked the Iguanadon. He did succeed in injuring the first raptor with his thumb spike, but the second raptor managed to leap onto his back. The first raptor, bad shoulder and all, leapt upon the Iguanadon's back too. Both raptors eventually made the Iguanadon lose his balance and topple on his back, exposing his soft underbelly. The two raptors right away killed the Iguanadon. The encounter according to scientists took place somewhere in Utah. This I read in the book *Walking With Dinosaurs* which was a miniseries on the Discovery Channel as I recall.
The play everyone forgets is Gonzales' bobbled ball. That was a play...true that the debacle started with Bartman but still...
Oh and +Jeff Agrest I think this video would get a lot more hits if you changed its name to something like Bartman inning, 2003 ALCS Game 6 8th inning, etc.
The play everyone forgets is Juan Pierre's double. If Aramis Rameriez is playing where he should be that's an out.
I remember watching this game when I was 12. I was a huge Marlins fan as a little kid and my best friend in the neighborhood was a Cubs fan. Out of all of the games I've sat down and watched (and there have been many) this is the one I remember the most.
We were so close to seeing a Red Sox vs Cubs World Series, both teams blew it. Marlins vs Yankees was trash.
It would be amazing in 2003, now it would be boring
@@mrnt0222 Ueah true, but Red Sox vs Giants would be cool.
that would've been without doubt the greatest World Series Matchup in history
but we were denied that by Little and Baker
and the following year made that match up less special than it would be otherwise
though I cant say I'm complaining with Cubs v Indians as consolation
Curse of the Bambino vs the Curse of the Goat would’ve been fun to watch - - at that time.
"YOU BLEW IT"
LMMFAO@ the Subway/Jared Fogel commercial. "Jared, what would you do??" Weeeeell......you might not want to ask him 🤣🤣🤣🤣
11:10 Pull Prior now
1 out, 2 on, third empty and still 2 ahead. Its a no brainier to go to the bullpen. A fresh pitcher has a good chance to pull a double play.
The next pitch was an error.
Had to watch this immediately after game two tonight. Love you, Bartman.
The fact the city of Chicago blamed him for the Cubes having a melt down is a disgrace. Gonzalez botched a simple play and Prior was left in way too long. Also why was the announcer acting like the was a 12 year old?
the north side of chicago, not all chicago go for the cubs
Funny you should mention twelve-year-old. Ever heard of Jeffrey Maijer? If you want to see fan interference, look at that clip from the 1996 ALCS.
@3:36. GREAT hitting by Pierre. The Marlins NEVER get credit for their hitting this inning.
The funny thing is how every fan there was reaching for the ball not just Bartman he just happened to be the one to get it
My friends grandfather a life long loyal Cubs fan was born in 1916. He was 87 when this happened. When the game ended you can tell in his eyes that he knew this was the final opportunities he had of seeing his beloved Cubs ever winning a World Series in his lifetime. He passed away in 2012 just 4 years shy of seeing his team finally win it.
Watching this years later, that Marlins team was pretty stacked!
Unbelievable classic..... can’t say much more.
110 pitches, and you have nobody warming up? Baker lost this game due to poor managing.
katzinhatz1 Dusty Baker is one of the worst managers in baseball period. I am shocked he kept getting new jobs. I'm surprised nobody's hired him yet.
NO !! IT'S ALL BECAUSE OF BARTMAN THAT THE CUBS TOTALLY SUCKED AND EMBARRASSED THEMSELVES !
20 years today - still so heartbreaking!!
I laughed my ass off.
Don't ask Jared where the lamp went.
I’m not even a Cubs fan and this is haunting to watch.
Dusty Baker made a terrible managerial decision in this inning leaving Prior in the game once he started struggling with his command & getting hit
Yes Prior should have been pulled. No matter how shit the pen was.
As a sports fan it was one of the most remarkable and unforeseen series of events imaginable. The Marlins were dead in the water and I thought had no chance. The resilience that team had - this was their 5th comeback of that postseason to that point and people forget - they overcame a 3-1 deficit to win the series. Remarkable turnaround or collapse depending on how you look at it. But as a Marlins fan, I couldn't believe my eyes.
It's the blood in the water phenomenon, and it actually happens quite a bit with a team with good hitters, against a team that doesn't have a pitcher that can put a stop to it. All it takes is one mistake on the pitching team, for the momentum to shift - and suddenly hitters have this laser like focus on the ball. And each hit builds off the previous one, until there's a pitcher/hitter combination that finally brings it to a halt.
Just look at Game 4 of the Cubs Giants NLDS, for a very similar example in the 9th - and it was certainly not the first time they've done that this season.
Should've put in Zambrano.
It was one of the most satisfying moments of my life to see so many Cub fans devastated. The shock and disappointment is something that I will always cherish. On occasion, when I feel a desire for sadistic pleasure, I watch this video.
Stop it Bartman !! You've done enough damage !!
Todos hablan de Bartman, pero el verdadero momento clave fue el error de Gonzalez
Así es. Con ese doble play se acababa la historia.
When everybody watches this, they will never sit in the front row of a baseball game ever again.
21:39 I had never seen a Rebel Strike commercial before this moment 😂😂
This was heartbreaking for sure. As I was watching this, I was dying for the Cubs to just get to the World Series for the first time in my life. After that Bartman play, I just wanted them to get to the Series just for his sake, 'cause I knew right there he would get tons of unwanted attention; and blame if they lost! I never blamed him! I blame Alex Gonzalez, and the rest of the players, and Dusty (he left Prior in too long) for choking away the series! The fans that cursed, blamed, and threw stuff at Steve should be ashamed of themselves! And so should Steve Lyons who said "I'm surprised the fans didn't throw him onto the field". What a stupid, irresponsible thing to say!
Sitting at a local bar watching this game. I believe there were 3 heart attacks and many grown men crying by the end of this inning.