God Saves Whom He Wills
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 มี.ค. 2017
- As we come to realize how big God is and how horrifying our own sin is, we will come to understand election as an impossibly great grace.
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I used to be one of those "Christian" hypocrites who claimed to love God and yet there was no fruit. I would watch porn, listen to awful music, curse terribly, and was just a generally terrible person. Well, about 3 months ago I suddenly got a sudden urge for God, and my addiction to pornography was instantly gone. I dealt with pornography from 9 years old to 26. Funnily enough, my dad is an evangelist and so I grew up in that environment and yet I still had no desire of anything godly... It shows that this is true in every regard.. "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day."
Rain
Jesus spoke those words before He was lifted up. He also spoke those words to the Jews who had a judicial hardening placed upon them. The Gospel wasn’t to go to the Gentiles for a few years yet. They weren’t hardened.
Jhn 12: 40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
Could these have believed had they not been hardened?
Praise God.
@@meganann9625 I am doing well! Thank you so much for the kind words. God bless, sister.
LIAR YOUR THE DEVIL,
You have just described me... so, knowing I'm im not of the elect, now what do I do?
The toughest thing to swallow is the TRUTH, and sermon served the Truth to us....
God in his great Mercy is the deciding factor it's not on us it's on him
@jack hammer you're a liar.
Wow this is one of my favorite services ive heard. Thank God for bringing these words to the world through you.
The Lord is sovereign in all things. Peace be with you.
Mr piper-Wow! I admire Your desire for God along with your boldness which helps to bring virtue in enhancement with wisdom. Blessed be and is your mind because of such passion for the Lord Himself comes to give you this unique ability. I mean; to present Our Lord as intelligently as you do onto others is by no means a non conventional yet most detailed to accurate way possible. What an honor to be awed.
I appreciate your dedication, humbleness and respectful manner in questions with OUR LORD to help us find Him as you prone us with encouragement to penetrate our deep longing for Him. Thank you for helping to renew the minds of others-who like you-find themselves desperately DESIRING GOD.
Re: Your final statement.
I come to add (if allowed) and standing only in perimeters of sustained speculation; that in respect to all that is the incredible... Perhaps the "Is" and "has been" gave its way onto other when Lucifer saw God lifting Up other forms of Creation. He may have "innocently enough" at that point wished to be God. And so that alone threatens the intricate concept of God in desire and with eyes of other celestial beings- who may have longed the gift of becoming partake creators themselves. Therefore; and perhaps from then times, is how allowed curiosity entered Spirit realm. Another way: Maybe God's own curiosity of an anti-himself. I've had this question for many years too and in reference to a dream of many years ago and so in answer with this -the inexplicable- I paused under this contemplation which is another way why we tend to say: Curiosity killed the cat.
Then again; as it is to be accepted or rejected my final resting place of peace is that Only God knows God fully. And that is something we must never dare to accommodate in demands of our own selves for quest in knowledge unless He Himself willingly welcomes us to. Perhaps Jesus-the son- and the Holy Spirit share in this enigma beautifully and perfectly complete in divine unity to become sufficient.
I do believe that our own wanting to be God got us here as we are today and so we have been given a 2nd chance in redemption through the Son to accept Him fully knowing that WE are Not God therefore; To Him All the Glory. My respect and gratitude as I pray that God will keep blessing you and your amazing ministry.
God bless you sir. Thanks.
The Lord God saves those, who respond to the call of His Spirit, through the shedding of the blood of Jesus Christ !
Indeed, because God causes us to be born again and walk in his statutes. One must have a heart of flesh to respond. Man receives no glory for his own salvation. It’s all God. I’d love to prove it to you based on the scriptures alone if you get time for the glory of God. Eitherway God bless!
Jeremiah 31
And I will give you a new heart, and ia new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules
God does have a sovereign right to choose one or the other but then don't also say whosoever will let him come
Awesome is our God.!!!!!
bless God praise God I thank you for the series but I have one situation
In regards to “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated,” It's important to keep in context of what Jesus said in John. "If ye love me, keep my commandments...He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him...If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him...He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings...If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love." God loved Jacob because Jacob loved God and kept His commandments while Esau did not.
In verse 18 above, it states that God hardens hearts according to His will. I contend that if God doesn't show mercy to someone, then their hearts are already hardened. Their hearts are softened only by God's actions in His mercy toward them.
@dingus mcgee If I'm wrong, then I've wasted only my time. If you're wrong, then you are in store for a much more devastating ending.
@dingus mcgee We are all welcome to have our own opinions, and we all do have them. Best wishes to you as you continue to learn so many truths that are out there.
@waz bumo, you may want to broaden your education with the testimony of other atheists who admit that evolution is not mathematically possible.
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@waz bumo, do you know who those men are? I'm going to guess you are young and have not wrestled with logic yet. Do yourself a favor and watch the long form discussion I linked. Not all knowledge can be reduced to a 5 minute video or a meme.
@waz bumo "indisputable"
I don't understand how he can teach this and hold to supersessionism. It boggles my mind.
What do u mean?
FREEWILL -- The highest Law of the conscience, the Supreme Court of the mind, this is a grateful desire to do good, or an ingrate desire to do sin. That decision is God's part, all of the other decisions in our life are made by our freewill alone. God gets to have everything good, we get a freewill that empowers us to BE ALL YOU CAN BE.
no such thing as that
Wonderful teacher but I sure wish he would speak up more. I can barely hear him for large portions
"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that *any* should perish, but that *all* should come to repentance." (2 Peter 3:9)
"Who will have *all* men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." (Timothy 2:4)
"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that *the world through him might be saved."* (John 3:17)
Why would there be any judgement, if people were predetermined to be either "condemned" or "elect" no matter what choices they make? God says "choose ye . . . " all through the Bible. We are responsible for our choices and will be judged by our choices. "Predetermination" has "I'm not responsible for my choices" written all over it!
Here are the answers to the verses you quote. (Really found in Part 2)
No, We are Not Calvinists!
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No, We are Not Arminians!
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@@smokingcrab2290 how do you reconciled Romans 9 with those passages?
@@theashianz3562 Sovereign vs Moral Will in God. God sovereignly ordains and allows to come to pass things which go against His moral will. For example,
Acts 4:27-28
For truly in this city there were gathered together against Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose predestined to occur.
Acts 4:27-28 NASB
Key phrase: "To do whatever Your hand and your purpose predestined to occur." Was God instrumental in ordaining all that horrible sin and suffering which came to befall Jesus? Yes, absolutely. Did anything that happened in the Crucifixion happen apart from the plan of God? Nope. Does that excuse the people whom perpetrated it on Jesus from the moral responsibility of doing so? May it never be. The Sovereignty of God does not absolve man's responsibility.
In that same way, God DOES desire that all men will come to a knowledge of the truth of Jesus in His Moral will. But His Sovereign will chooses some and passes over others. How He does this is beyond human comprehension. I should suggest that there are things beyond our pay grade, and this whole issue is definitely one of them.
Naturally then, you will say, "but if His Sovereign will overrides His Moral will, why then does He still find fault?" But then, Romans 9:20, "On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, 'Why did you make me like this,' will it?"
Peace and Grace to all of you brothers! Know that I am not trying to stumble or offend any of y'all but simply to give an explanation for what I perceive your challenges to be. May the God of all peace and all understanding guards your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus!
@@surelock5921 Amen
Please watch this
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I’m the only Christian in my family.. i tried persuading them all but it’s not sinking in :( If this is true that God chooses who he wants to save then their souls are lost? I just still pray for the to be saved.. hoping God hears my prayers so he can intervene!
Hi Hannah
I'm in the same situation.I'm the only believer in my family.It's not up to us to decide who God is electing or saving.Every person is responsible for their action.We have to obey him in faith seeking first his kingdom doing the will of the father.Jesus said :
Matthew10:34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a person’s enemies will be those of his own household. 37 Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
Pray for your family preach to your family love your family,but not more than you love Jesus our Lord and God.If anyone tries to stop you from following Jesus get rid of him or her.I had to learn that the hard way.
I evangelize and pray for my family too.We have to persist in prayer.
Luke18:
The Parable of the Persistent Widow1 And he told them a parable to the effect that they ought always to pray and not lose heart. 2 He said, “In a certain city there was a judge who neither feared God nor respected man. 3 And there was a widow in that city who kept coming to him and saying, ‘Give me justice against my adversary.’ 4 For a while he refused, but afterward he said to himself, ‘Though I neither fear God nor respect man, 5 yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will give her justice, so that she will not beat me down by her continual coming.’” 6 And the Lord said, “Hear what the unrighteous judge says. 7 And will not God give justice to his elect, who cry to him day and night? Will he delay long over them? 8 I tell you, he will give justice to them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on earth?”
I hope i didn't bother you with such a long text.
God bless you
Calvinism is garbage. Please listen to David Wilkerson. John Piper is a great man of God but the theology is a stumbling block. When God prayed through me I wept for my family and my uncle mom and step Dad came to Christ (mom and step came back). Please read Ezekiel 22:30. Its not written in stone like false Calvinist teachings we can move mountains in prayer. Also 1 Timothy 2:4 and Ezekiel 18. What kind of God wouldnt rather have people repent and not sin and go to heaven than sin and be damned. Keep on praying and fasting for your family.
Pray to the father in the name of Jesus that The Fathers WILL be done. Ask FATHER if it is YOUR WILL I beg you to HAVE MERCY on my family and allow there hearts to be softened by YOU MY ALMIGHTY FATHER. That your will be done in the name of Jesus. And then leave it to God. The only thing you can and SHOUKD do is keep on proclaiming the Gospel to them just as Isaiah had to do till the last person . Your job is to serve the Lord, through YOU God can work his way and THROUGH you God will bring whom he WILLS to him. It’s your duty to preach so that you can do the WILL OF GOD. Your preaching does not go without reward for if they still refuse your works are not in vein because your works show that your love and strength in God is powerful.
God saves those who believe. That is his will to save those who believe. And that is our choice. To b or not 2 be
So the reason that many people aren't saved is because God doesn't want them to be?
Thats the logical conclusion of this theology.
I understand Giod's absolute right to choose to favor one person and not another, but I also have to wonder if either it's not all as arbitrary as this makes it seem or else if it is as abrbitary as all that why most people's notion of fairness (which, fairness seems like a good things rather than sin) sees God's choices as unfair. I mean I have two kids close in age, and I give one an ice cream (or pay for one's college tuition) just to bring a smile to his face, but none for the second because "As a parent who created you, I favor whom I will and owe you nothing", I think any person in the shoes of that second child would feel the bite unfairness there. It's a very human reaction against benefits being doled out arbitrarily.
That means either its not arbitrary even when we can't see a reason for God favoring one person and showing no benefit to another or, fundamentally, humans have a bad intuitive sense of fairness as a result of sin.
@jack hammer welcome back to another Christian video. I hope you keep sticking around in Jesus name 🙏🏾😊
The fact that God would choose not to choose someone (for salvation) and then punish that person for his own choice doesn't sound too just to me.
In Romans 9:14-23 Paul deals with these anticipated objections! "Is there injustice with God?" and "Why does he still find fault" etc. R C Sproul puts it correctly when he states that no-one gets injustice from God: some receive (undeserved) mercy and the rest receive justice. No-one will be able to accuse God of injustice on judgment day..
Martyn Howard
The anticipations in Rom 9 is about hardened Israel. They were hardened and they object to it.
However, they had rejected His old covenant and calls for repentance which is why they were hardened. They were kept out of the new covenant because they rejected His old covenant.
If God made man guilty at birth and designed them to be sin mongers, then they didn’t have much of a choice in anything, did they?
@@evanu6579 preach
@@evanu6579 nope that’s the point
@@BobbyFiermonti
Read Rom 11 and compare it with Rom 9.
If God chooses those for eternal life, then He also must choose those who will go to a lost eternity. I to not believe this is the heart of God, that He desires all to come to repentance and provides opportunity to do so.
I disagree with John Piper quite a bit, but I'll at least give the Desiring God YT channel props for keeping the comment section open. On many Christian channels the comments are locked. I'm sure that's to cut down the obvious abuse, but it's at least nice to comment on some of these intricate topics.
I love John Piper but like many pastors and translators he doesn't understand what Paul is saying. Paul's giving Exhibit A for how the Old Testament pointed to Christ and to salvation by faith. Exhibit A is the Mercy Seat on the ark of the covenant where blood was sprinkled on the Day of Atonement, and the Israelites' sins were forgiven by faith in its blood. God didn't 'put it forward'. God 'previously established' the Mercy Seat. It showed both God's justice in that sin requires punishment and also God's justification in that we are made righteous by faith in the blood of the atoning sacrifice that ultimately points to Christ.
I still haven’t decided whether i hold to an arminian or calvinist theology. I’m still studying. But I will bring this point with regards to all the objections towards calvinim. They all say its unjust, unfair, unloving. Their banner and champion is free will. But think about it; the concept of free will is all about US and not God. Free will is a me centered theology. All man is a sinner. All man is reprobate. We have a fallen nature by any Christian standard. So why then do we think that our concept of whats fair, just, loving is correct. How could our concept of those things come near to what God’s concept of those things are. We only know these concepts in a limited way through a fallen nature. So how can we as men that come from dust say what is fair, loving or just; when all men deserve death. It is through the grace of God that any at all have the chance to be saved because no one deserves salvation. So lets keep in mind that free will is a concept thats all about us. And that our understanding of anything no matter how wise t may appear to s is a fallen mans understanding so it can only go so far. Theres so much we don’t understand and are not meant to understand. Thats why unbelievers say there’s so much contradiction in the bible. But we need to understand that nothing is about us. If we put free will at the forefront we make it all about us. When God is God. What is man to think that free will means anything. If anything we are lower that dust because we come from dust but unlike dust we are full of sin. Free will is literally self centered. Not God centered. And can a fallen man truly think they know what is loving and just and fair above the God that made them. Jesus said if you love me you will keep my commandments, yet we all have sin. And if no one is perfect and even Paul called himself a chief sinner then no matter what, regardless of what we thing or feel or believe about ourself and our righteousness, God decides who is saved. Who are we to say we are righteous enough to be saved whether arminian or calvinist.
I fell into the same trap of theology. Just spend time with God reading The Word and ask God to teach you the scriptures would be my advice. Just love God and He will show you which theology glorifies Him the most. th-cam.com/video/irptYxKs1Zc/w-d-xo.html
God saves who ever will it's free will but the election is our part we choose.
The question of evil entering existence can ONLY be answered by understanding who and what God is. God is EVERYTHING. And God is the only possible effectual / purposeful cause of sin. Why ? Without Lucifer and sin ALL creation would still be perfect...ESPECIALLY OURSELVES. We would be Gods. A game that God plays ? Heaven forbid. A means to an end. His glory !
Ron Mirowski
Adam and Eve weren't perfect, they were innocent. Eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil made them more like gods than before.
Sin doesn’t glorify God
Why would God create human beings knowing that not all of them would have an option or choice to accept Christ? If God specifically chooses to not allow people to be saved, isn't that contrary to the nature of God being Just? Or in other words, how is Christs atonement limited? I ask not to start an argument, but genuinely a sincere question.
You are right Josh whosoever comes and really believes will be saved.The problem is natural man will not come because they dont want to come.And they dont want to come because they hate God.Forget Calvin and read what the scriptures has to say.
Jeremiah17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things,and desperately sick;
who can understand it?
Psalm51:5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Psalm58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb;
they go astray from birth, speaking lies.
Ephesians 2:1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience- 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body[1] and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.[2]4 But[3] God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ-by grace you have been saved
John3:19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.
John8:34 Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin.
Romans3:9 What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, 10 as it is written:
“None is righteous, no, not one;
11 no one understands;
no one seeks for God.
12 All have turned aside
1.Corinthians2:14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
Romans1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth.
Romans8:7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot.
Everyone who will come to Jesus and be saved are chosen from God before the foundation of the earth
Ephesians 1:4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us[2] for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,
Revelation13:8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.
Revelation17:8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to rise from the bottomless pit[2] and go to destruction. And the dwellers on earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will marvel to see the beast, because it was and is not and is to come.
John6:37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” 41 So the Jews grumbled about him, because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.”42 They said, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does he now say, ‘I have come down from heaven’?” 43 Jesus answered them, “Do not grumble among yourselves. 44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
John10:11 I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.
John10:14 I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me, 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep.16 And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd.
John10:24 So the Jews gathered around him and said to him, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.” 25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father’s name bear witness about me,26 but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.29 My Father, who has given them to me,[1] is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
Acts4:26 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers were gathered together, against the Lord and against his Anointed’[5]- 27 for truly in this city there were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel,28 to do whatever your hand and your plan had predestined to take place.
Acts13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.
Acts16:14 One who heard us was a woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple goods, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul.
Soli Deo Gloria
@dingus mcgee I don't think you actually believe that. Existence does not require our belief.
@dingus mcgee What I meant by "Existence doesn't require our belief" is this: The idea of "your god" implies that Gods existence is based off of my own belief in a manmade God, that human kind came up with. My point is, existence is objective, there is something instead of nothing. Life had a starting point, you and I currently exist, we both have some idea of a moral law, and we both somehow realize our own consciousness. That comes from something else, not within our own selves is my point. Gravity for example, exists whether I choose to believe in it or not. Gravity is objective, just as existence is objective. Therefore I cant say that "your gravity" or "your idea of gravity" doesn't exist.
I'm curious on what "biblical and archaeological evidence" you have that proves God does not exist.
@dingus mcgee
1. The moral law does not have to be taught. Every human is born with the knowledge of right and wrong.
2. The God of the bible is separate from every other god. Every belief, religion, share one common thread, which is you must do good in order to have favor with god now, and favor with god when you die. The God of the bible (Christianity) says no one is good, only God is good, which is the whole point of the Christian faith. To accept Jesus as the one true God, who died and rose again for the sins of the world, including your own. Putting your trust in His goodness, His sacrifice, His goodness, Not the goodness of yourself.
3. The Bible as a historical book, is perfectly accurate. Non believing historians even agree with that. It was written over a span of 1500 years, 3 separate languages, 3 separate continents, 41 separate authors, and it never contradicts itself. It in fact tells one continuous story, one continuous relationship between God and Man. There are hundreds of non biblical historical documents that prove the events of the bible did actually happen. But we could argue facts all day.
For someone who doesn't believe in God, you seem quite angry with Him. And if God truly does not exist, why spend so much effort in proving that he doesn't? I don't believe in cows with wings, they objectively don't exist. So why would I spend any amount of time or effort in convincing people to agree with me?
Question 1: Would you agree that nothing cannot produce something? If so, then if the universe did not exist but then came to exist, wouldn’t this be evidence of a cause beyond the universe?
Question 2. In the light of the big bang evidence for the origin of the universe, is it more reasonable to believe that no one created something out of nothing or someone created something out of nothing?
@dingus mcgee Unfortunately I can't make you accept things, even if they are factual. Most people often choose not to believe something because they don't want to believe it, not because there isn't enough proof. I would encourage you to look into the historical accuracy of the scriptures as compared to other "religious documents".
A side thought to consider as well: When it comes to popularity and worldwide acceptance, there is no comparison to the bible/Christianity. Rome, one of the most powerful civilizations in history, completely crumbled. Yet Christianity still exists and is spreading faster than ever worldwide despite Rome's extremes attempt to rid the world of Christianity. Whereas other religions or beliefs are based upon location and circumstance. It's not a strong point but definitely one to consider.
It's interesting you deny that the "moral law" is objective, inherent, and universal. Everyone is born with the moral law written on their heart and conscience. Yes, a persons morals can be tainted and abandoned, but a person always starts with morality.
You bring up "Killing children over it"-However based off of your world view, you cannot say it is wrong to kill children because there is no objective moral standard for humanity. If morality is based off of a persons own individual interpretation or definition, than morality is not objective its subjective.
So my question is, to what standard of morality are you using to imply it is wrong to "kill children?" Because according to your own denying of an objective moral law, morality must then be subjective. Therefore a person can kill children if they so choose too, and you cannot tell them they are wrong for doing so.
Merci Beaucoup thank you brother. Hallelujah and Amen. When I looked into this Calvinist stuff I was truly grieved in my spirit. So God hates people and predestineds hell, that would mean if a baby is not one of the elect the baby would go to hell that is the only logical way to carry predestination through. “For God so loved the world (Calvinist add: not really the whole world. He didn’t mean that...just the elect) that gave His only Son so who so ever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. God hates and sends babies to torment. God only loves the elect. In this way His Glory can be revealed. Everything I’ve listened to about this seems arrogant and Pharisee like. Who are you to demand that you alone know the mind of God? Why do missions and try to reach people for the Lord...just drop pamphlets from the air and the elect will show up. Can you even say God loves you or God is Love to anybody yes but only the elect the rest He hates
Election refers to the grace of God by the finished work of the cross. Jacob and Esau means one simply believed and the other worked at it. That is what is meant by "not of works" or "not by the will of man". All who are thirsty come and drink. He has poured out His Spirit on all flesh. The work of God is to believe in the One He sent John 6:29. He died once for all. Calvanism is error. Atonement has been made for all but we apply the blood
Tess ....It is only AFTER the Holy Spirit opens man’s mind, justifies him, regenerates him... that he is no longer blind... and “accepts”. Man does not decide to choose Jesus. God selects those He wants. His elect.
God loves them so much (!!!) that he has created people destined for hell...SO THE ELECT CAN SEE WHAT THEY ARE SAVED FROM! Without hell there is no need for grace! This is HUGE! So important that one’s salvation can actually hang on understanding it. Think about it. If “choosing Christ” is the reason given for why should let someone into heaven... “I chose Christ”... that is a WORK... and they are not trusting in what Christ did on the cross.
If you have a baby, you don’t know if the baby will go to heaven or not. It is important to recognize that God uses people to share the gospel.
God punishes sin. Man either gets justice and goes to hell, or gets grace and goes to heaven. No one gets INjustice.
@@biblicalgodisonlytruegod Titus 3:5 how are we saved?...by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit. 1Cor 1:21 it pleased God to save those who believe. So, you believe first and then you are saved (regenerated) Remember, faith comes by hearing, not by regeneration
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what if you want to be chosen and you aren't...?:( are we just screwed?
Jane Jeong if you want to be chosen, then you will go and seek Him, believing in Him, obeying Him, trusting in Him... and will be saved. anyone who truly wants to be chosen will go ahead and with this desire will get to know God.
Romans 10:13
"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."
hmm, thats what i have been thinking all these years! so just as long as we are willing and "choose God" God "chooses" us?
Jane Jeong see that's where the in -house debate of arminianism and calvinism starts. John has some more videos on that. but basically both sides believe there is an elect, they just differ on the election.
ahh.. i see. i'd like to believe that i have been saved? will i be if i want to be?
Jane Jeong you most certainly are if you whole heartedly believe Jesus died for your sins and rose on the third day. If you know in your heart that you have repented and truly trust in Christ alone, then no one can take your salvation away from you.
I know, stop reminding me. It’s just hard because you love someone so much.
I really need help understanding this lesson
What parts of this sermon are you having trouble understanding?
Tena, read the Bible for yourself and pray for understanding and don't let people like this confuse you. The Bible is so plain in stating that it's not God's will for any to perish but that all would come to repentance. It also is clear that JESUS died for the sins of the whole world. It also says that JESUS is the Savour of the whole world especially to them that believe, not that He will end up saving everyone but that He made it possible for all to be saved. People like this twist Scripture to their own destruction as the Bible mentions such people. By attempting to answer the some of the most difficult questions of the Bible, they end up misinterpreting the most simple truths in the Bible.
I see Pastor likes to John Madden the proof texts. 😊
God created Satan. God created our guilt. And God has the solution Christ. God does it ALL!
God Is the creator of ALL things FOR HIS glory and HIS purpose according to HIS WILL and HIS divine plan for HIS creation.
Isaiah 45:7
CSB I form light and create darkness, I make success and create disaster; I am the LORD, who does all these things.
KJV 1611
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
NASb
The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating disaster; I am the LORD who does all these things
Romans 9:20
On the contrary, who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? Will what is formed say to the one who formed it, “Why did you make me like this? ”
Romans 9:21
Or has the potter no right over the clay, to make from the same lump one piece of pottery for honor and another for dishonor?
Romans 9:22
And what if God, wanting to display his wrath and to make his power known, endured with much patience objects of wrath prepared for destruction?
Romans 9:23
And what if he did this to make known the riches of his glory on objects of mercy that he prepared beforehand for glory -
Romans 9:24
on us, the ones he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?
Romans 9:25
As it also says in Hosea, I will call Not My People, My People, and she who is Unloved, Beloved.
Romans 9:26
And it will be in the place where they were told, you are not my people, there they will be called sons of the living God.
Keep reading the rest of the chapter !
GOD IS SOVEREIGN GOD IS MERCIFUL GOD IS JUST GOD IS RIGHTEOUS AND GOD IS HOLY!
Trust that GOD HAS CONTROL.
Jes 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things Jes 45:8 "Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it."
KJV
People go to Hell because they freely choose to reject Christ, thus they deserve to be there. God allows us the choice to decide to accept Jesus or not, once He has been offered to us. No other way. Go sends no one to Hell. God our Savior...wants all men to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth. (1 Tim 2:4). When God hardens someone's heart, it is usually after many acts of disobedience on the part of the one whose heart is being hardened. This explains God's saying to Moses that He will have mercy on whom He will have mercy...(Romans 9:15). The elect are those who are saved. God knows who will ultimately choose Him before the foundation of the earth and before they have done nothing good nor bad. God is just, yet merciful. I thank Him for that. Diane in NC
Someone once pointed out about hell (btw, let me say this is based on logic, it isn’t stated from specific Scripture) that it would almost be “mean” for the Father to make someone to spend Eternity with Him when they had spent their whole lives trying to get away from Him! The real clincher, the only thing when boiled down, believing in Christ lets us spend eternity with the Trinity, it isn’t as much about the perfect body, and no crying and swell digs, it’s being near all Truth, all Good, all Love and the only Creator which makes eternity with Him so great. If you spend life trying to get away from the gift of knowing God thru His Son, why then would you want to be with Him in eternity? Anyway, didn’t mean to write a thesis, and personally I can’t rightly say what I completely concerning calvinism and such since I don’t know all the tenets. Anna (also writing from NC)
So then your in agreement with predestination.
So, " I will have mercy on who I will, and compassion on whoever I feel like",? And the heck with the rest ? Well, this is NOT, the picture of God, and Jesus, that was painted for me, all those years. Some how, I got a picture of an all loving, all compassionate, all merciful, just, equal, fairness, as MOST get. But the reality of has been the furnace of affliction, since birth. My story, IS as EPIC, as any of the bible " heroes". The suffering, the warfare, you CANT, imagine. I had every type of abuse, one can have, so that the sexual stuff alone, was nothing. Or the physical stuff, was nothing. But that only speaks to the severity of it all together. They WERN'T, NOTHING, AND at 62, it is still going strong.but, now must end. My body has NOTHING left. Now, I must have a 5 level fusion of my lumbar spine, and live in a van, and have zero help, but things like that, are par for the course. In my young days, I found the mother of my kids, in bed. WITH 4 GUYS. but, no big deal. My grandpop, who taught me guitar, and loved with us, had an old lady on the side, ( my grandmother was still alive), then pulled a jack the ripper, on her, tried to kill her, and very nearly did, THEN, killed himself, in my bed, my state trooper brother, was killed at 38, with a 9 month old daughter, THEN, my mentally ill family, said it should have been me. And these are just a thumbnail. I won't drink, or use drugs, or lust, I've seemingly conquered all the big ones. And the warfare, is WORSE. I have the gift of singleness, worship, voluntary poverty, I don't care about the things of this world. Beyond the normal, minimal, things one NEEDS, to live. But I don't have that even. I do not know why, anymore than job did, or Isaiah, or Jeremiah, or Jonah, or Elijah, or Gideon, or Moses, or, or, or, but, after 24 years, and my whole life before, I was painted an inaccurate picture. As most were. The churches, left out MUCH, they preached a bunch of sugar, and butterflies. Little wonder, why Jesus said, " few there be that find it " but why? Why would he DO THAT ?
OOPs, sorry. In one of the paragraphs below I used the words 'total deprivation'. This was a typo; I was referring of course, to the unscriptural Calvinist doctrine known as 'total depravity'.
Fundamental mistake: the speaker makes no sincere attempt to interpret the OT citations in their original context. This is biblical interpretation 101. He misses the point entirely. Therefore, his theological conclusions are based on a faulty understanding. Sad, really, that such a devoted, gifted teacher stumbles so badly.
David Beesley The title of the video is faulty in the fact that it makes the viewer believe that this is the only video that Piper has made on this passage and subject. It’s really part of an in-depth series.
Ergo he gives everyone the opportunity and a choice
Romans 3:10-17
No natural man will choose God, they aren't even able.
Not everyone does have the opportunity though. Millions of people go their whole lives without ever hearing the gospel. They are not innocent for their ignorance sake however. For we all sin and deserve gods eternal wrath.
All this verbiage! All you have to say is "God is in control, and if we don't like it, that's too bad". Isaiah 45:7 says it in a nutshell.
The Bible teaches that it's not God's will for any to perish but that all would come to repentance. You don't have to add or take away from this simple truth in order to interpret it correctly. God gives people a choice and sadly the majority choose to reject Him. God is a winner either way and He will get glory out of you one way or the other. The Bible clearly teaches that JESUS died for all. Again you don't have to add or take away from this simple truth. The Bible even calls JESUS the Savoir of the world especially those who believe. This doesn't mean that He will end up saving everyone but that He made it possible for all to be saved, seeing that He died for all. These are such simple truths taught in the Bible and you have to add or take away from them to get them to mean anything else. Imagine if everyone read the Bible for themself.
Please watch this
m.th-cam.com/video/O6cHxpsbl78/w-d-xo.html
@@Palopp85 Please read the whole Bible.
if one is chosen and one is not chosen then it can't possibly at the same strength strength same level the whomsoever will those two things contradict each other whosoever will and
Does that mean God is the creator of good and evil too. I didn't like Calvinism because it reminds me of the picture of God in Islam
The way they characterize God is much different then what the bible does.
Alarm bells should be going off.
@@evanu6579 Exactly. When I first was reading the gospels and the Old Testament I was like hold on this doesnt match Calvinism. I later got duped into that sort of thinking of determinism though. I had great fruit under more Arminian doctrine. David Wilkerson is a great guy to listen to. th-cam.com/video/irptYxKs1Zc/w-d-xo.html
Isaiah 45:7
CSB I form light and create darkness, I make success and create disaster; I am the LORD, who does all these things.
KJV 1611
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
NASb
The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating disaster; I am the LORD who does all these things
I guess you both have never read the Bible !!!
@@evanu6579 Isaiah 45:7
CSB I form light and create darkness, I make success and create disaster; I am the LORD, who does all these things.
KJV 1611
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
NASb
The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating disaster; I am the LORD who does all these things
I guess you both have never read the Bible !!!
Isaiah 45:7
CSB I form light and create darkness, I make success and create disaster; I am the LORD, who does all these things.
KJV 1611
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
NASb
The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating disaster; I am the LORD who does all these things
I guess you both have never read the Bible !!!
The Calvinists do not have the exegesis on this. Read some Scott Hahn.
Saved unto what, exactly.??
If you mean heaven (which is the only thing that makes sense)..
Then seriously.. why bother?
Just send them to heaven, save everybody the rigmarol.., including unrepentant sinners.. who will likely take little joy from a wasted life anyway.
He probably doesn't like me :(
Jesus knew Esau I am happy he Does like me! ☺️🥹🥰 and loves me! YAYYY!! 🤭🤭😍😍🥰🥰😘
He does like you Christopher! ☺️🥰😘🥰☺️😍🥰😘🥰
The bible says its Gods will none should perisj
Amen Ezekiel 22:30. Calvinism is man made.
@dingus mcgee why are you under almost every comment telling ppl God isn’t real.
You were down there on the Scriptures with your microscope. You need to back away and look at the big picture. God is the potter, and we are the clay. We are all the work of his hands. He said "As high as the heavens are above the Earth, so are my ways above your ways, and my thoughts above your thoughts. (Isaiah 55:9-12). God is in control. You are not going to be able to figure him out. Just except his greatness and his supremacy.
John said, “I write this to you so that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah!” John 20:31
So, John 6 was written to prove Jesus is the Messiah.
In context John begins chapter 6 with Jesus performing miracles to prove Jesus is the Messiah.
Jesus is speaking to people in John 6 who were believers who belonged to God the Father and who were looking for the Messiah WHO WAS TO COME.
Jesus arrives on the scene and The Father gives these believers to Jesus the Messiah who they were looking for.
In John 6:45 Jesus says, “It is written in the prophets, “They will all be taught by God.” Everyone who has heard the Father and LEARNED from Him comes to me!”
Jesus says in John 6,
“This is why I TOLD YOU (referring back to and INTERPRETING VERSE 44) that no one can come to me (has the ability) unless the FATHER ENABLES them!”
The Loving Father (1 John 4:8) enables by grace everyone to have the ability to come freely; not compelled like Calvinists teach.
“The GRACE of God has appeared that offers salvation to all men!” Titus 2:11 (See 1 Corinthians 15:10)
“Jesus said, the work of God is this, to believe in the one he has sent!” John 6:29
Jesus said, “When I am lifted up, I will draw (not compel, John 6:65) ALL men to myself!" John 12:32
So, all people, Jew and Gentile, have the ability to be free to choose, not compelled.
Calvinists cannot answer why Adam sinned and fell from grace when he was created “good” and in a perfect environment in the Spirit and in communion with God.
But Adam used his free will to fall from the grace of God (and so will Christians who use their free will to stop believing).
Calvinists appeal to mystery, which is fine.
But this is the foundation of their so called” logical system” which they read into the Bible.
The greatest creation of God is a human created in the image of God with the mystery of free will which Calvinism takes away and makes people puppets who do no decide their salvation destiny.
Man is separated from God, but God in His grace, which is GOD WORKING IN US (See Philippians 2:12-13, Hebrews 4:12, Romans 1:16, John 16*), allows men to exercise their free will to turn from being dead in sin to alive in Christ!
Using their Calvinist glasses, the Calvinist reads Ephesians to say,
“God chose us (TO BE) in Christ before the creation of the world!” Ephesians 1:4 ?
No! It says, “God chose US IN CHRIST before the creation of the world TO BE HOLY and blameless in His sight!”
Jesus is the Only chosen ONE. Luke 9:35
Verse 13 says we became chosen IN CHRIST when we chose to believe by the grace of God working in us, and then we are regenerated.
(See John 20:31 where believing comes before life)!
The order is Grace -> repentance/faith -> new life in Christ
A slam dunk reason Calvinism is a heresy, is because of their doctrine of the atonement which says GOD the Father poured out his wrath and damned GOD HIS Son, and THE SECOND PERSON OF THE TRINITY WAS CUT OFF FROM THE FIRST PERSON!
(SEE RC Sproul, Piper, McArthur, etc) Jeff Durbin?
This SPLITS THE TRINITY and/or divides the person of Christ into two persons which is the Nestorian heresy.
This atonement heresy was not taught until Calvin came along. (Christus Victor was from the beginning.)
Calvinists have INNOCENT JESUS being condemned when Proverbs 17:15 says this is an abomination of justice.
Plus, Calvinists call their monster God “loving” who creates people and predestines most of them to go to hell with no chance to believe and be saved.
This includes babies in the womb. If not, then it would be best to let people abort all babies so they would not go to hell.
Plus, Esau was NOT a reprobate. Read the Old Testament Genesis chapter 33. Esau was saved!
It is a Prodigal Son story where Jacab looks at Esau and sees “THE FACE OF GOD.”
So, there goes Romans 9 for the Calvinists.
In context God was electing the line to Jesus through Jacob instead of Esau. This is not an election to salvation.
Ironically, Calvinism is the doctrine of demons, not grace!
Calvinists love Calvinism, because they were chosen and to hell with everyone else!
Pride! The number one sin which we all have!
yo piper its fairly simple enough brotha. no man woman or child can birth themselves into the spiritual existence. I mean common you didn't have free will for your physical birth and you have no free will for your second birth. ye must be born again in order to see or even enter into the kingdom of god, read John chapter 3. Jesus spells it out for a Jewish rabbi who think that Gods chosen people are of only isreal. but Jesus said for God so loved the world meaning jews and the gentiles that who ever the holy spirit saves will be saved. PERIOD. world doesnt mean every last person that has ever lived.
“I can never join Calvin in addressing his god. He was indeed an Atheist, which I can never be; or rather his religion was Daemonism. If ever man worshipped a false god, he did. The being described in his 5 points is not the god whom you and I acknowledge and adore, the Creator and benevolent and governor of the world, but a daemon of malignant spirit. It would be more pardonable to believe in no god at all, than to blaspheme him by the atrocious attributes of Calvin." Thomas Jefferson. Stay away from Calvinism. Its a snare.
Jefferson was also a Deist, so I wouldn’t be taking theological advice from a theological heretic. Cute, but nice try.
God saves who He wills huh? You mean like the world and all men?
Demiurge Shadow
Whoever repents and believes.
@@evanu6579 funny 1 Timothy 4:10 says all will be saved but that those who believe are given a special salvation. Not that they are the only ones saved. They are given eonian life before the consummation.
You don't even believe Christ is the savior of the world because you listen to traditions of men taught by people like piper.
God wills all to be saved
And God counsels all according to His will. Therefor all will be saved at the consumation of the eons. Col 1:20
Start studying for yourself instead of being fed by the false teachers of religion.
This is a good start.
www.concordant.org/expositions/simple-story-universe/
Demiurge Shadow
Piper’s a heretic. I don’t hold to limited atonement or any of the points of Calvinism.
If you’re saying that salvation doesn’t require repentance and belief then I think you’d better read the bible again.
Col 1: 20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
21 ¶ And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
what does verse 23 say?
@@evanu6579 LIAR DEVIL
I only felt disappointed after that video. I got the picture of a tyrant God here.
Isaiah 45:7
CSB I form light and create darkness, I make success and create disaster; I am the LORD, who does all these things.
KJV 1611
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
NASb
The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating disaster; I am the LORD who does all these things
I guess you both have never read the Bible !!!
Saying that god elects people to be saved, and elects some to go to hell is nonsense. Everyone has free will, it's your choice to be saved or not. If anyone wishes to be saved, and puts their faith in him. They are saved. The idea of predestination is based on foreknowledge. God does not wish for anyone to go to hell, but for everyone to come to him. 2 peter 3:9
Montage Nation Not based on foreknowledge of belief. Romans 9:11
interesting. so at the flood God chose 8 people to be saved and millions to drown and go to hell. Did you forget about that.
This is the doctrine I use to be believe, and then realized I am a sinner and God is all knowing and mighty, and I now research my own and don’t distort the word of God to make me feel good, but read it as it’s written.
God saves those who believe (WHOEVER) For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER BELIEVES in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. (John 3:16, NKJV) What a terrible interpretation of Romans 9. Go read Jeremiah 18 to understand what Paul is talking about. God wasn’t required to save Israel because of their family line to Abraham. So when they rebel, God can get another people (gentiles).
Piper is so wrong about this, it’s scary...
DEVIL LIAR
Funny how Paul doesn’t continue his use of Exodus 33. Which of course disproves the entire premise of Christianity that Jesus is G-d. Exodus 33:20 states, “You will not but able to see Me, for no human can see Me and live.” Therefore, Jesus cannot possibly be G-d.
Danny Harper Brother, I would ask that you the read the Gospel of John, chapter 1.
I believe that you might be misunderstanding a Christian’s “premise” and using Exodus 33:20 to somehow disprove Christ’s deity. Jesus was not only fully man, but fully God. You can try to wrap your mind around it, sure, or maybe even explain it away, but that does not change the validity of this infinite fact that cannot be contained in our finite minds.
sentomorrow you are presupposing that the Gospels are reliable. Which they are not. The Hebrew Bible and NT have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
Danny Harper “ that is why you rejected Psalm 53 and Your own Prophet for the sake of your man made tradition.
duckymagic57 sure we all have an agenda. I’m not sure I’d call it a cheap shot. Aren’t all Christian apologists trying to take cheap shots at every other worldview? Trying to make an argument for Christianity and against everyone else? So in light of that, I’m doing the same from the Jewish point of view, using clear examples from the Hebrew Bible to show why Christianity is a lie. Anyone who posts content on TH-cam runs the risk of the content seen by viewers who emphatically disagree with the producers. If John didn’t want any comments posted, he could. I would also ask the same of you, have an open mind that YOU could be wrong and learn something new.
D H you are clearly Jewish lol
No such thing as Armenian or Calvinism
Satan is in heaven according to Isaiah 65:25 and so are the fallen angels in 1 Corin 6:3. We judge the angels. 2 John 2:2 says Christ died for the sins of the reader and the whole world and they will ALL be SAVED in GODS TIME .Salvation BELONGS to the Lord. This is further cemented in by where it says it is by Faith one is saved and it is NOT of OURSELVES. IT IS A GIFT. Romans 3 says there is absolutely none who even seek God ever. And fallen angels are here with us IN MANKIND so they will be saved also in mankind (Daniel 2:40-43)
Sonny And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels
Jeremiah 7:22-30 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: 23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you. 24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward. 25 Since the day that your fathers came forth out of the land of Egypt unto this day I have even sent unto you all my servants the prophets, daily rising up early and sending them: 26 Yet they hearkened not unto me, enor inclined their ear, but hardened their neck: they did worse than their fathers. 27 Therefore thou shalt speak all these words unto them; but they will not hearken to thee: thou shalt also call unto them; but they will not answer thee. 28 But thou shalt say unto them, This is a nation that obeyeth not the voice of the Lord their God, nor receiveth correction: truth is perished, and is cut off from their mouth.
29 Cut off thine hair, O Jerusalem, and cast it away, and take up a lamentation on ohigh places; for the Lord hath rejected and forsaken the generation of his wrath. 30 For the children of Judah have done evil in my sight, saith the Lord: they have set their abominations in the house which is called by my name, to pollute it.
Hey can I unload here. Your Christianity is a cult and found seriously wanting. Bible too. Good thing God is in control or we would all be dead, You fools. Yea you all are Gnostic Christians following some cross,fake white Jesus and Celebrate Christmass, is saturnalia . Magog who are the Illuminati who stole America in Ezekiel 38-39 1776 to present are indeed related to your Jews whom you think are chosen? Tuval is the name. Google it and you wake up there please. 66 books in your bible should tell you we got issues? They have stolen your country in 1776 with Tarshish(Ezekiel 38:3) and now are ready to uncork the bottle on Judgement Day and the movie 10.5. . Been watching the New Madrid for years as they been a messing with it to get it ready to split the USA in too and you been doIng what there. Live in Minnesota there> ? I wonder how stupid people got ot be not to get it when they seen the 1-35 bridge in Minneapolis go into the river. Like hello do you Nazi? They built ya a brifge now that will withstand the weight of tanks . They have done this all over he USA . Look it up.
HERE IS A COUPLE THINGS Try reading the plans for ww3 and see what lie ahead and tell me I am deceived. The least in all the world and you better thank God I am
CHERNOBYL WAS NO ACCIDENT Illuminati N.W.O. Agenda
themillenniumreport.com/2016/04/chernobyl-nuclear-disaster-a-terrorist-attack-by-the-usual-suspects/
Where Did Germany Get the Six Million Jews for the Holocaust?
World Almanac, 1940, pg. 129: World Jewish Population- 15,319,359
World Almanac, 1949, pg. 289: World Jewish Population- 15,713,638
ELEVEN MILLION Germans Were Murdered AFTER WWII:
www.rense.com/general85/mill.htm
Nuclear 'Armageddon' Illuminati WORLD War III
th-cam.com/video/4P3p9FBYGPk/w-d-xo.html
Gotham City Map and the Soon Coming New Madrid Earthquake Pt. 1 of 2
th-cam.com/video/WrvV6gu4mzo/w-d-xo.html
US IRAN NUCLEAR PROGRAM FROM 1970'S(IRAN THREAT A IS A LIE)
nsarchive2.gwu.edu/nukevault/ebb268/
ZIONISM IS NAZISM: WW2
humansarefree.com/2011/03/3-world-wars-planned-by-illuminati.html
Rothschild are descendants of Nero? (Bill Clinton chosen boy?)
realnews247.com/clinton%27s_family_tree.htm
Swastika Building on Coronado Naval Base In San Diego California
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Totally distorted wresting of scripture. The apostle Paul makes is clear right from the beginning of the chapter that he is writing about the election of Israel as His chosen people. This chapter is not in any way about personal salvation. R.C. Sproul always goes to great lengths to blatantly misrepresent this chapter of Romans. He rejects dispensational truth as a matter of course, no matter how silly his statements.The muslims claim the Abrahamic line to the Saviour was through Ishmael. The bible states categorically that it was through Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. This is what Paul is teaching about here.
William Bunter And yet, who is this letter to?
THANK YOU
*You have a choice!* The Lord said the He would that none were lost.. He so loved the world He gave His only begotten Son.. How does that equate to we have no choice because He predestined some for hell?.. This is goofy and ranks right up there with Mormons and JWs! Jesus said repent and turn from your sin and you and your house shall be saved.. He did not come to be nailed to a cross for saved.. *But for the Lost!* Believe and you shall be saved. Many are called but few are chosen. Believe and ask what you will.. and it shall be given to you.. Predestination amounts to the belief that God Almighty has just produced a movie to watch, that he himself wrote every line? Paul says be all things to all men, that some shall be saved. For as many as believes in My Name (Jesus) shall be saved... *Lots more! There are too many holes in Calvinism!* Gen: 6 - 6 (God was sorry He made man) The Truth is you have to step over Jesus's dead body to get into hell (which was made not for man but satan and his minions). Do not buy the lie. By your fruits you shall be known! It's free, it's on you.. you can not blame God for your choice.. or lack there of.. that is just a cop-out! I have listened to J. MacArthur and J. Piper for many years. I love them.. *They are Wrong!*
Peace, may the Lord bless you all, always and in all ways, Amen!
~;o)
Cody Weidner
Or... Your thoughts on Calvinism are so skewed by your philosophical presuppositions that you're unable to grasp the crystal clear teaching of the Bible that spiritually dead men are unable and unwilling to come to Christ. "No one "can" come to me, unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up." John 6:44
And in vs 37, "All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me will not be turned away."
The giving of the Father precedes the coming to the Son. The Father gives those who were "chosen before the foundation of the world" Eph 1.
The Bible screams: Regeneration precedes faith, and results in faith. You should be able to connect the dots from there. God bless!
Cody, your language is confusing, your statements scattered and not logical (some don't make any sense), and most importantly, you show NO Scriptural EVIDENCE to back up your statements and accusations. Scriptures you allude to must be taken in context of other scriptures on the topic, especially those that are plain and clear.
No one seeks for God of their own accord. Humanity is totally depraved.
Romans 3:9-18 (NASB)
9 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin;
10 as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE;
11 THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD;
12 ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE."
13 "THEIR THROAT IS AN OPEN GRAVE, WITH THEIR TONGUES THEY KEEP DECEIVING," "THE POISON OF ASPS IS UNDER THEIR LIPS";
14 "WHOSE MOUTH IS FULL OF CURSING AND BITTERNESS";
15 "THEIR FEET ARE SWIFT TO SHED BLOOD,
16 DESTRUCTION AND MISERY ARE IN THEIR PATHS,
17 AND THE PATH OF PEACE THEY HAVE NOT KNOWN."
18 "THERE IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES."
John 15:16-19 (NASB) Jesus speaking,
16 "You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you.
19 "If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you.
No one can come to Christ unless the Father draws him.
John 6:43-45 (NASB)
43 Jesus answered and said to them, "Do not grumble among yourselves.
44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.
45 "It is written in the prophets, 'AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD.' Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.
John 6:64-65 (NASB)
64 "But there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who it was that would betray Him.
65 And He was saying, "For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father."
Born again - Did you birth yourself into the new life in the Spirit of Christ?
John 1:12-13 (NASB)
12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
13 who were BORN, NOT of blood nor of the will of the flesh NOR OF THE WILL OF MAN, but OF GOD.
You are not your own, you were bought off the slave block with a price.
1 Corinthians 6:19-20 (NASB)
19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?
20 For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.
Meditate on the order of things in the following passage where Jesus instructs:
It is not - because you don't believe, you are not my sheep, rather,
because you are not my sheep, you don't believe.
My sheep hear - and follow me. My Father gave them to me.
John 10:25-29 (NASB)
25 Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father's name, these testify of Me.
26 "But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep.
27 "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;
28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.
29 "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.
And of course the passages John Piper shows and breaks down as elementary as it gets.
Study the whole counsel of God, man?
Daniel Goehring God bless you brother. Of course, let us also follow Christ’s example of loving our brethren and not cast Cody down....he did, in fact, give (if I counted correctly) 3 scriptural references to his claims. They were not contrary to our obviously-shared Doctrines of Grace; he simply did not unpack them as nicely and extensively as you did. Thank you for your comment, though. I hope that many will see it and accept the inerrancy of Scripture which clearly teaches God’s election of those who will come faith, the promise that they surely WILL come to faith (John 10:16), and that He is to be glorified in all of this as the final purpose! Let us thank God for His unconditional, unchanging, incredible, indescribable, and inconceivable gift.
Cody Weidner your statements do not measure to the word of God. Read his word and the truth will set you free! . For he is knowing of all things and that includes your own salvation. Read all of Romans and Ephesians 2:8
Daniel Goehring
Brilliant
Don't believe J.Piper, he is just deceiving people preaching a false god, and a false Gospel.."Woe on to you ,hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men, for you neither go in yourselves,neither allow them that are entering to go in! Matthew 23:13
The real God is like Jesus. Giving his life for the sinners, to save them, but they don't want to accept God. Because they loved their evil deeds Jesus didn't come to condemn the world, but to save it. Piper doesn't know Jesus, I believe Piper is one of those false teachers heading to hell, a modern Pharisee with the same mindset Pharisees had . " We are Holly and just before God! They thought they were the choose ones. But they weren't...
Isaiah 45:7
CSB I form light and create darkness, I make success and create disaster; I am the LORD, who does all these things.
KJV 1611
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
NASb
The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating disaster; I am the LORD who does all these things
I guess you both have never read the Bible !!!
@@BobbyFiermonti Jesus is not the very image of God for you. You're deceived as well.
@@jorgealba3818 how so?
Justin Clark; may I kindly suggest you study the scriptures rather than reading Calvinist books and swallowing their false teaching. The Bible says whosoever will may come -not whosever is elect may come. Christians are elect IN CHRIST. It is true that God alone can give faith and regenerate someone, and He will do so to anyone who is willing to confess they are a sinner needing His forgiveness and grace in and through the Lord Jesus Christ. The Calvinists see human choice/free will as some sort of threat to God's sovereignty, and in doing so demonstrate their actual lack of faith in His sovereignty. God said 'I have given to you to choose between life and death' and He urges 'therefore, choose life'. Notice that God says that HE has given to us to choose. The Lord Jesus spoke of the lost as those who WOULD NOT come, not as those who COULD NOT come.
The word of God is full of examples of those who reject God's grace and His invitation to accept His Son Jesus Christ. Do you really believe that His statement that He would that all should come to a knowledge of the truth, and His command that ALL should repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ are mere wordplay?! People like John Piper and John MacArthur et al will desperately try to avoid this truth by saying that the invitation 'actually' means 'all Classes' of men!
God always takes the initiative in leading a soul to Christ. He does this through His word, through His servants's preaching and teaching, through witnessing, through writings etc. But His grace is not 'irresistible'. If it were, all the pleading of the Lord to Israel in the O.T. and all the pleading of Paul to Jews and Gentiles to be reconciled to God would be redundant, as would all the warnings to those who refuse to accept the truth.
Justin, be careful and be honest with yourself. Once someone has been influenced to interpret scripture in a Calvinist way, it is so easy to accept their statements without thinking them through. Let me give you an example, dear friend. The Calvinist doctrine known as 'total depravity' says that people cannot ever come to faith or have any part or action or choice in the matter unless they have been pre-selected by the Lord to believe (despite the many verses like those in Deuteronomy cited above which teaches us that God does present us with a choice). I have lost count of the number of times I have heard or read Calvinist preachers who have tried to convince their congregations of the validity of 'total depravity' (when they would be better employed actually preaching the gospel) by quoting the words In Eph.2v1 which refer to Christians once having been 'dead in sins and trespasses'. Having read these words, the preacher will invariably smirk at his audience and say sarcastically something like 'well, I don't know about you folks, but I've yet to see a dead man make a choice!'. Often he will then add a remark in a semi-humourous tone suggesting that any who doubted this could pay a visit to the local morgue and check it out. No doubt you have heard this sort of teaching yourself. His audience will typically give a loyal chuckle, and dutifully nod their heads as if to say 'point proved'. What I find quite remarkable and somewhat disconcerting is the complete inappropriateness of his interpretation, and the seeming unawareness of the hearers that they are having the wool pulled over their eyes by verbal sleight of hand. Is it not obvious that the apostle is speaking not of physical death, but of seperation from God, which scripture refers to as spiritual death.
The morgue or grave or physical death have no relevance whatever to what Paul is teaching here! He is not talking about people who are physically dead, but about people who were formerly SPIRITUALLY dead. And what is equally disconcerting is that in the great majority of cases the preacher hasn't actually studied the passage thoroughly himself and is totally unaware of his confusion of categories, He is just repeating a totally innacurate and misleading Calvinist soundbite which through sheer weight of repetition still passes almost universally unnoticed.What is even more tragic is that this verse in its true and obvious meaning is one of great beauty, and its misinterpretation (in order to back up a false, man-made theology), is like trampling a gift from God into the mud. Paul is encouraging the believer to rejoice and stand strong in the faith by reminding him of his or her new standing and relationship with God through Christ. This is what the preacher should be passing on; not some irrelevant and perverse dictum of Calvinism. Note too, that this is probably the only verse which the Calvinist will ever use to try to argue for the notion of total deprivation. And because he has got it so badly wrong in its interpretation, perhaps he had better come up with at least one or two other verses and try again, or just ditch this unbibical doctrine altogether!!
One more thing to look out for is that the Calvinist's inability to argue his case from scripture necessitates that he uses a grossly inordinate amount of analogy. And once more he is rarely original but insted relies on the old Calvinist soundbites which have been repeated ad nauseum in hundreds of gatherings. I'm sure that you ypurself must have heard at least half a dozen preachers make the statement that 'God's sovereignty, and human freewill, are like two parallel railway tracks that meet only in eternity!' He is not actually proving anything by this statement, but he hopes it sounds impressive and learned. Usually he will make this statement as if he had just thought of it all by himself in a moment of profundity. Other much-used favourites are like the one about a door with a message on the outside and a different message on the other side supposedly proving that 'whosoever will may come' actually means not what it says, but rather that whosoever is pre-selected may come. The Calvinist will use these and many other analogies, all in lieu of scripture. His favourite word is PARADOX. Whenever he is seen to contradict himself he will talk about 'biblical paradox', and shamelessly misquote verses like Deut. 29v29.. What he really means, even though he hides the fact from himself as well as from others (or so he hopes), is that he has painted himself into a corner and can't get out!