Haggling Over A Horse, Co. Kerry, Ireland 1973
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- Deal or no deal? The complexity of trying to agree the price of a horse in Castleisland, County Kerry.
With the assistance of a mediator, Maurice Reidy of Castleisland is hoping to sell a horse to Mr Raymond.
Mr Raymond offers £200 for the mare but Maurice, also known as Mossie, is looking for £300.
The previous day Mossie says he could have sold the horse to a Frenchman for £200. The mediator points out the Frenchman may not have had the money, whereas Mr Raymond does and he is willing to take the horse away the next day.
The mediator tries to get the two men to settle on the price of £250, but Mossie makes a fuss about this price prompting Mr Raymond to calm matters.
I don’t want to make little of your horse Maurice.
Eventually Maurice agrees to come down to £250.
I’ll just have half ways and I’ll have no more.
But Mr Raymond will only offer £225. The mediator attempts to get the men to settle on £230 but Mr Raymond is not buying at this price.
Maurice wants more money and good luck to him if he can get it.
Mr Raymond cannot be persuaded to buy the horse but tells Mossie,
When you have another one I’ll call around.
This episode of ‘Hall’s Pictorial Weekly’ was broadcast on 27 January 1973.
Frank Hall’s amusing and satirical series began on 29 September 1971 with the full title ‘Hall’s Pictorial Weekly Incorporating the Provincial Vindicator’ which became known as ‘Hall’s Pictorial Weekly’.
The series allowed Frank Hall to follow his own interest in the lives of viewers throughout the country.
Regarded as RTÉ’s flagship comedy show, it featured satirical sketches on current news stories and popular culture, as well as parody songs, comedy sketches, re-edited videos, cartoons and spoof television formats.
The show ran for nine series until 1980. - บันเทิง
The question is who rang RTE and said "listen two lads will be haggling over the price of a horse tomorrow come down and film it"
He called up and said am a ti lads an the til commae
I'm not RTE, but I've been on the receiving end of a call like that... th-cam.com/video/tHAMUxFKhCI/w-d-xo.html
😄Right
It's Ireland mate, they were probably just trying to film some scenery
There was a huge anti government rally, in Dublin that day. So, RTE sent all of it's reporters to every and anywhere else.
I remember asking a Kerryman if it was true that when you ask a Kerryman a question he answers you with a question? "Who told you that?" he said.
🤣😂
😂🤣👍
Very good haha
😁
lol
Forget wall Street this is where the action is. A field in 1973.
"she'll last longer than the money ..." lol
classic.
At least quote it properly, he said hold not last
@@ciarancummins303 or,
now just hear me out here, one realises, one is coming quite from leftfield here, with this response but indulge me so;
how about ye houl deezmfk'n'nutz, preferably on your yo' chin!! mr comment section officer!!!
I'M REALLY SORRY, BUT NOW I GOTTA GRAB all y'alls attention too...
bc - 1. for to warn ye like that there is such an officer of d' law. patrolling freely there among ye lads but,
bc - 2. every inner 12 year old boys voice secretly replied this!
but its only a wee bit of a laugh mate. cheers.
A superb demonstration of authentic Hiberno-English. These are the steps to follow: fill your lungs with air, assemble the greatest number of syllables you can summon in your mind and, when it's your turn to speak, release them all at maximum speed . The swiftest horse in Kerry runs away in the presence of such pace ...
They aren't speaking that fast most of the time, some of the time they are actually speaking slowly and clearly. It's just the prosody and phonetics of their speech is different to the more standard English of modern Irish speech. Some people still have regional accents, sure, but the individual phonemes of the young are now the English ones (soft non-dental t's, English r's instead of taps, vowel quality, etc)
Ah funny ..
You should try to listen to a northside cork accent. It’s just as fast but sometimes you think people are singing their sentences 😂
@J T I didn't say they had 'English accents', I'm talking about the individual sounds of the 'English language'. Be you in Australia, US, UK, Ireland, there are more similarities than differences in the sound structure of the respective dialects, at least on a phonemic level.
In Ireland, in particular among older men, in certain areas, there was Gaelic substrate influence left on some of their phonemes. Indeed, in the past, most Hiberno-English dialects used pure vowels similar to the traditional Irish language ones (some still do), but this is no longer the case. There is now a more standardised Irish dialect nationwide which took it's main influence from 'new middle class Dublin', a dialect which doesn't have any Irish language influence phonetically, and transatlantic/American, which is the even newer influence on the English of the youth of Ireland (language change happens fast, and the current spheres of influence are Dublin and America (in the past England was the sphere of influence on the English here, but it has been surpassed by Dublin and the US. Older rural farmers in the west of Ireland and older native Irish speakers have never been a sphere of influence for language change to direct itself toward in this country))
Apparently the most proper English spoken is by Dublin people.🤪
I bought a car from an old Kerryman in NYC many years ago, we made a deal and he gave me back $200 in "good luck" money.
@John Daly called luck's penny
My mum is from Wicklow. Sold a motorcycle for £400 and gave the bloke £100 back. Superstitious lot.
Don't mention the fairies for Christs sake
I'm from Brum - 20 years ago, there was a Kerryman who'd roam the town centre, (particularly around the area where he had a namesake as a pub). He was, to all intents and purposes, homeless, dressed in tatters, no matter what the weather was like. He'd approach certain folk and ask for 20p, in a very friendly and non-threatening, though somewhat inebriated, manner. If you gave him any more, he'd hand back 'the change' for 'luck'. God love him!
You can still get it now in the form of a tank of deisel or petrol when buying cars even from main dealers, I've never bought a car without them putting some fuel in it , you'll always know if you got a good deal on the car by the salesmans reaction when you ask him to fill the tank.
The subtitles just couldn't cope
Omg, ROFL. My grandfather was from Kerry & no one could understand him !
You have brought back some memories. I can remember dealing with Johnny one day when the rather prim and proper turn your nose up type came trotting past on her horse, Johnny shouted Nice H'arse missus she thanked him ,he winked I knew he was not talking about her horse. Your channel has made me remember what I forget.
@Darren Murphy and he wasn't going to be getting a better look at it!!!!!
He did a job on her below in the haggard that evening
@@eddieconvey9223 The Blaggard who had her in the Haggard was
a “do well boy”farming man
Thank you for posting these gems! They provide such a special insight into the past.
If you are a non English speaker and you understand every word here, congratulations, you know more than me and I'm from Limerick.
sure English is a second language in limerick
@@MrMoekanz Sure is, kid.
That is disgraceful Gunga. Please leave Munster. I shpose the young folk nowadays are more exposed to the American dialects than the Irish ones
Jaysus, I know every word, and I'm from Leitrim haha
I know every word im from Watford lol
i grew up in Ireland. and love seeing old footage.
Tough business men.
Can only understand about two sentences in five, but have thoroughly enjoyed this!
How many Irishmen does it take to sell a Horse? 3. Two to haggle over the price, and one to write a sad song about the Horse being sold :)
Very good 😃
The fella in the hat is a sharp man- combined fluidity of speech and thought is a clear indicator of higher IQ. He would’ve been a fascinating person to chat to.
If you could make out a word he said ... !
You certintly woulna wanta sell that man a lame baishte !
I can only look back to 1976 but £300 then is equivalent to €2,049 in 2021
How do u make this calculation?
It would be €3800 today
@Waxies Dargle I'll give you 20k, & that's my final offer.
@Waxies Dargle That's a bit of a stretch unless it's won a lot of silverware or from a recognised racing bloodline. Otherwise closer to &15k I reckon.
Ireland lol wow
I subscribed your channel because you uploaded of the Dubliners' song. Almost every day I see this documentaries uploaded by you. Sometimes I even say "come on! Not again!" But when I saw another one a minute ago I want to thank you for promoting you national culture. Thank you so much!
A few years ago a friend of mine bought a horse at the Lamas Fair in Ballycastle. Anyway he thought he got a great deal so took the horse home and put it in a wee field with a single sheep the kids adopted as a lamb. The next day the weans ran into the house screaming that the horse was running around the field with the sheep in its mouth. The thing was totally mad but the boys that sold them the horse had it on all kinds of drugs to keep it calm.
Pure memories and well shared sir! Thank you
🤣😂bollaxs but funny
Haha
probably the horse was just hungry.
Aye, some horses will kill any dog or sheep in their paddock.
And if you go to Kerry today, they sound the same as they this then.
Makes me sad how the accent here got diluted. Love listening to the older fellas.
I dunno i cant understand a feckin word my landlord says and hes not that old!
@@sammerry7706 tbf there better off speakiing to me in spanish, i can barely understand them sometimes
Big horse for big money! small horse for small money no truer words spoken! 👍
Its amazing how RTE had such great content back then, I think this is fascinating and entertaining.
£300!? In the 70’s!? That’s a lot of money. I remember a young Shire horse for £500 in 2015.
In Brittany, years ago the horse haggling was identical, even the hand slapping thing.
Thats common with any "dealing" you slap or shake hands when you both agree on the price. once its done you cant go back so youll see they dont shake as they cant agree
@Ray LeDu
Both the folk here and in Brittany are Celts so this also is the customary Celtic culture from centuries before.
A few Irish clans came from brittany. They have their surnames Crest or motto written in french.
am i right in hearing that last bit, a few words left out in the speed of him speaking but sounds to me he said... ''id wish you luck if you bought him, but you didnt, so i cant do it'' , very honest about his motivations this lad.
My gosh! That is quite a gem.
Kerry is beautiful! Went there in '74 to the town my grandparents were from.
Good Irish name
@@patricklynch8719 - Haha yes! We have a great last name!!! ☘☘☘☘
That's funny, same story for my family. Pretty sure we were related to a Lynch family in NJ...
@@lordthiccthighs6168 - That IS funny!
There are so many Lynches in NJ! I always joke that they multiply like rabbits!
@@barbaralynch3015 Haha 😂
i was rooting for morris to get his 300
This is for lawyers. Practicable applications for case law.
Could have watched an hour of them haggling,.,little did they know they were making a time piece.
It's wonderful that great shtuff like this is on film forever.
'The Price is very smally................ The Price is not very smally!' lol
The lad from France will be back in d morning
Times were never better !!
"And that DID happen yesterday evenin!"
Great clip from past..quite fascinating really.
As young kids my brothers and I worked on Henery Gordan's farm, he was the finish horseman that ever sat on a horse, We believed that Henery has half-horse himself, he know and fully understood horses, we often saw Henery jump up on to an untrained hunter or racehorse and stay on its back until it calmed down, Henery would ride one of his trained horses into the local town 3 miles away to buy cigarettes, He would push open the door into Burks pub walk the house up to the bar, buy some cigarettes, turn around and head back home, never once getting off the house, I believe that Henery did not drink that bad alcohol
This is great! I love to watch and listen to men have a deal. 👍🇬🇧
If I was at an auction, I shouldn't know how much I'd paid.
Very picturesque.
I heard they invented copper wire, fighting over a penny,,🥴🥳🍺
That's too dry for me but certainly not wasted Jimmy!!
Absolute class, what we have now? Just people buying shite on the internet, probably horses too.
I think the guy in the middle became a great Car salesman..later on in life...
If not he has a twin
Guy in the middle is Tim Keane, son of Vincy Keane. Knew them both well one time.
Wi fe to Nancy keane, and h husband to John keane, cousin of Francis keane,
Most educational video on TH-cam 😁
I don't think either one of them knew what the other was saying.
I'm Welsh I can understand this about 90% I don't thiknow most Welsh people could though.
My granda telt us as bairns ,that you'd stick an onion up the horses bum to keep it prancing and looking young and fit . That way you could sell the older mares and leg it before anyone caught on 😄❤
Damn, never heard that one before. Innuendoes come to mind here but I'll save it lol. My grandpa once went to look at a horse, drove it to a sled, was as calm and gentle as could be, bought her took her home and took her to work in the woods logging the next day, she kicked his hat off his head on the first log he hooked her to. She had a stout dose of sedative the day he bought her 😂😂
I understood the numbers. One or two words here and there and not a focking thing else.
I know roysh? Like, oh my gauwd.
you may have missed that they didn't say f ...ing at all
Brilliant video.I go to appleby every year to buy cobs
I understand about 5% of this conversation!
Maurice is a gas man. Nice bit of sarcasm here and there if you listen closely and watch the expressions
Ya, I knew him. We bought a lovely thoroughbred horse from him, in the late 70s. He was an eccentric and intelligent man.
0% chance the buyer has the money he claims to have and maybe 10% chance the seller actually owns the horse
"And that's a fact" = guaranteed lie.
They only decided last Friday. There will be no more talk about the horse as we don't know what price from Morris at all. And 200 pound is very small money.
That 🐎 is worth at least 500 pounds!
a scene similar but also more original than the haggling for the caravan scene in Snatch:)
250. It's a fair price. Take it, Morris.
The bigger fella should’ve given him his price and the middle man was only a fool 😂
Beautiful.
How do you get a one armed Kerry man out of a tree?
Wave at him.
I used to think I could understand most versions of English, but with this one, I wondered initially if it might be some other language, with a few English words added. Especially the man in the hat.
So was it sold or not ?
Brilliant
interesting video.
Can I get an English translation? My first language is English and I tried CC but to no avail...
it would be nice to see this with English subtitles
It would be too fast.
Hagglin' over a horse, ya' say?...Mate, I'm hagglin' over wha' the hell they was sayin'...
Cant understand a word but will use the same system when selling my next car it seems to work ?????????????????
Was that hos abit footy as it walked off ?🤔
This is why Freud said that he would be the one laying on the couch trying to figure out an Irishman
The way I heard it was that Freud said the Irish were the only race to be absolutely impervious to psychoanalysis. Inasmuch as that observation was true, we Irish had something useful to teach the world. But nowadays we're forgetting how to remain impervious, ourselves.
The haggle was an art form. Dude in the hat is well shady...
By 2.45 my ears had tuned in and I began to understand what they were saying.Up until then it was a foreign language.
1:33 I didn't think they would have slapped hands on it till a sale price was agreed . . . . seems the young man was so anxious for a deal to be done that he slapped their hands together anyway.
The young man would have got money if the deal was done
what a great country
Clean foight now lads)
Class
Roy Keane's father is selling the horse, fact!
I thought exactly the same. Speaks so similarly.
That’s his job. Sorry 😝
@@mac7569 Where's his father from???
@@shamiemcguire1588 rubbish, Roy Keane is from Cork, this is Kerry
I like his hat
Any Kerry’s in the chat?
If anyone has a spare lifetime please subtitle this !
What’s the problem ?
They’re speaking perfect English.
Maybe not the Queens English but perfect none the less
@@seanfaherty well said I understood it all
notice how nature and the horse never change, now look at the human and our silly ways, how can anyone claim to be normal, human normality is abnormal we just don't question it at any given point in time
We're fallen like the scriptures say. Only God's grace can save us.
@@tonn333 religion is not going to fix our problems
@@crappymeal yes, this is exactly what the scriptures say.
@@tonn333 "yes" that religion is not going to fix our problems?
@@crappymeal yes
Best to start walking away, say something like im going to look at another horse and will let you know...and see what that does
Who won?
£300 in 1973 for a pony 😮 I remember guys arguing over £120 or £150 in the late 80s
Couldnt give them away 5 year ago
That would be €3800 in today's money.
Gentleman's agreement, apparently their/ both families aren't on speaking terms to this day...a forthcoming pony that was never seen ...
What’s the idea of the middle man
There as a pseudo "honest party" but often would be on the side of the buyer or seller. Helps to stop an impasse in the deal as pride can often stop one party from giving way to the other but if the middle man suggests a compromise its easier for them to agree while saving face.
Hes basically an agent, some work for buyer some for seller
Nice to see ireland back when it was still....you know..irish
Maurice is still looking for £230
I'm Irish, and I only caught "300 pound"
Mickey : On you buying this caravan. Not the rouge one, the rose.
Turkish : It's not the same caravan.
Mickey : It's not the same fight.
Turkish : It's twice the fucking size of the last one.
Mickey : Turkish, the fight is twice the size. And me ma still needs a caravan. I like to look after me ma. It's a fair deal. Take it.
We also want a pair of those shoes🤣🤣🤣
Was there Eastern Europeans in Kerry
In the early 70”s
When money was money!!
All I understood was 300 pound and my dad is from Kerry!!!
I heard that mare gave birth to a unicorn,
Who is the horse dealer does anybody know?
@@JCTooL1 I obviously knew that. I was wondering do you know his name?
Ha no problem at all, loving this channel. Great videos. Are you irish?
Wa this in quorn last week ?
Smart talk never sells anything long churning makes bad butter quick sale light profit
Reminds me of the movie waterworld when dude is bargaining for the girl on the boat
This is utterly incomprehensible. Are you sure they're not speaking Gaelic?
No it's just a strong accent i can understand them fine.
@@sadhbhmurphy4700 I got it all as well
well ..tis da business ya know...inan outta doors an giddyoop!
Shave a bullock………………
Just wondering how much £300 in old money would be today?
Don’t forget it will be Irish Punts not British Pounds Sterling. They varied a bit, up or down up to about 10%.
I think this conversation would be even more fascinating if I could make out just one word of what they were saying . 🙄
That's sad and you call yourself the fighting Celt?