Oh, wow. I was not expecting this. Thank you for all your contributions to the pet community. This video was well articulated and edited. World events SHOULD be fun! It's a shame they aren't when it comes to rare limited drops like these.
Arfus felt awful. My lucky friend got it on the 1st without even needing or wanting it... He was pissed he couldn't trade it to me... I farmed til the very last day and even the morning prior to the event ending. Did over 420 attemps and neither the pet nor the drake mog dropped... That is just astonishingly bad. It is sad that you are leaving, but understandable as blizz's actions in the past years have been getting worse... I hope we see better days in the future.
You have been so generous with your time, knowledge, and encouragement to our pet battle community. Thank you for all of your hard work and sharing information about the only part of WOW I play.
I have every pet in the game with the exception of 5 or 6 blizzcon exclusives in the past. The fact that they didn’t make arfus cage-able at the very least proves they don’t give a damn. I had so many guildies get him that couldn’t care less about the pet. At least let people make some gold then. I finally got arfus the second to last day before event end. It was crazy for me to think that I’d have to wait an entire year to try again. I don’t blame you for cancelling your sub. That’s the only thing blizz will listen to is loss of money
I just discovered your channel not to long ago and definitely hate to see you leaving… However, I definitely understand as lately I’ve been pretty off and on with warcraft in general! I’ve just gotten back into uploading pet battle videos again and have you to thank for getting me back into it! Thank you for all you’ve done for the pet battle community and hope to see you back soon ❤
I genuinely believe there shouldn't be a single piece of content in WoW that requires more then 100 runs for any single person. The fact that there is NO RNG protection mechanism for things like mounts or pets, to me is just... frustrating. This is one thing I will without question hand the win to FFXIV for. I still genuinely can't for the life of me can't figure out why they changed tokens halfway through. I'm glad folks who don't collect a ton of pets were floating on a few, but I'm never far above 100 or 200 at any given point getting tokens / etc. That all said Xu Fu's and the work you guys do over there is like one of the few reasons I can even tolerate or enjoy pet battling, so you have my sincerest thanks for that.
Thank you for making this video, it was very informative and reassuring that my lack of luck was not uncommon. After 405 loot-filled pumpkins (this year), I finally got Arfus. It was not my first kill of the day and I did not use the wicker man curses. It was one of if not the hardest grind for a pet that I have ever done, similar to the Wondrous Wisdomball. I am free lol. I'm happy that you are making videos again though ❤
So sad to see and hear this, but I understand. I just came back to WoW after 2 years. We, my sister, son, and I all left for same reasons not pet battle related, but I'm not going into that here. I came back because of the pets and pet battles. I loved them all along and still do. My sister and son haven't returned so I play alone. For that reason I've been finding info I need on youtube and found some of your videos. I love the way you do/did yours and even though you said you won't be checking your youtube anymore, I wanted to post and say thank you for what you have done. May God bless you in what ever path you walk from here.
Dang, I just subscribed today, too. And even though it seems like you won't see this, I gotta say that the pet community is weaker without you. But I get it. All the raid/mythic/pvp pets really got to me and I just didn't have a sub for all of Shadowlands.
Weird post for november when everyone who got Arfus already got it from horseman, rip to anyone who wasn't lucky. But I think it would still be neat to get it in retail if you got the wrath achievement, if you didn't already have it from horseman.
damn i didnt know people cared this much about a tiny part of the game. its refreshing to hear! i got this pet and never pet battled. i wish i could give it to you
As I play this game, you’re right! The system is set up to waste time and grindy to make profit just like a slot machine. The house always wins. Just make people more aware of this!!!
And I thought I was disappointed by not getting Arfus (despite trying as hard as I could, sans leveling more alts in the given time.) Neither I nor my hubby got it and we were so sad that a pet was made this extraordinarily difficult to obtain. We didn't know the curses had no effect on the pet drop and both had the mount, so we made the whole ordeal that much harder on ourselves for no reason. But now I'm even more devastated, knowing that not only did the event leave a bitter aftertaste, the entire pet community is losing an invaluable member that contributed richly to our understanding of pet battles and enjoyment of the game. I've walked away from WoW a couple of times over the years, since unsubbing is about the only way to express absolute disagreement with a policy. I left when the devs decided flying should be removed and fortunately that plan was abandoned. I truly hope that the situation with Arfus is made right, if not well before next Halloween, at the very least for the next opportunity when the holiday returns. And with all my heart I hope you find a game that is tremendously fun for you and I also hope that you'll return to WoW in the future if they get their collective head out of the sand and fix their RNG pet drops. Much love and gratitude!
Thank you for everything, Dragons. I hope you have a change of heart and return to us. You are one of my favorite content creators. I'm still holding out hope!
525 attempts on Arfus and I never got him. Don't worry I'll be giving them hell ion that cord about battle pets now 🤣 they got hell the entire last two weeks from me in there about this. I'm so sorry you are leaving, I'm a day one vanilla player and I considered cancelling for the first time ever because of this. I'm tired of these lots systems, they are awful and wow needs an overhaul from them. You will definitely be missed, but you have to do what's best for you and your fun! ❤
I'm really sad to hear you wont be doing pet videos anymore but I completely understand. I absolutely have loved your content and very professional videos.
i mean true the pet battle system isn't great at time but there are some people who just art smart enough to come up with good strategies. my gf and a few other people i know got arfus just by running the halloween dungeon some of them ran it with the wicker man curse active to try and boost their chances of getting items they wanted. but as for the pet battleing i've boiled it down to some people not coming up with good strategies to improve their chances of winning and some not making the connection that half of the pet battle system is legit a copy and paste of pokemon type advantage
I know this is a year old, but it showed up on my feed just today This year I came back to the game as I missed playing. I seen that this cute little guy would be in the Halloween event, so I wanted to farm for it It took me 169 HH kills just to get it. I know some got it within the 50 mark of it. Im just not a fan of low drop rate pets/mounts from events. Wish the drop rate was at least a little better than what it is now
So sad to hear you're leaving content creation... But I totally understand, I do. Because I'm in that exact same spot, I just recently started to think, is it worth it? To keep playing? To make stuff, post your rants? Or not at all. We are just not heard, they just don't listen and this constant mockery and trolling becomes tiring after some point.
I was lucky to get him the last day of the event 31.10 on my first attemps of the day 🙂... fyi, I had about 125 attempt prior of that.... And thanks for now and everything...We'll miss you 😞
I know this video is a year old but, the drop rate must be lower than 1% because when i tell you i farmed the headless horseman everyday with curses and multiple characters and got neither the mount or arfus was very soul crushing.
I'm both happy and sad I caught this not long after you posted, and not weeks afterwards by happenstance. I'm going to miss seeing you around, and getting your help. I can only think it's been the poor employment state at Blizz that's contributed in part to this - cancelling Work From Home, bad management, an indifferent and greedy C-Suite....
I managed to get it by throwing a very high number of alts (and a very high amount of time) at the problem. I then did the same with even more alts for the Love is in the Air mount/drake armor and came up short on that one. It's bonkers to me that Blizzard can acknowledge how awful that process is and then at the same time add more to it. I hope that eventually they can come to their senses and actually make a system for these items that doesn't crush people's souls.
I'm so sad to see you leave, but I don't at all disagree with any of your points. You've done a lot of great work here though, and you'll definitely be missed.
Seeing this a year later - yeah, the way Blizz handles RNG in some things is awful. 130 attempts last year, 400 attempts this year so far (after they changed it to have lvl 10+ characters eligible for the box) while my husband couldn't trade me his multiple copies he got while farming the mount. We're at a point in game design where certain bad luck protections should be in place, even if they're restrictive and harder to achieve. Don't get me started with Infinite Timereaver that evades me still after many years. :(
you will be very much missed they should have made arfus a quest or about 150 special treats NOT a stupid drop that hardly anyone got i did the HH for over 3 hours every day and i never got him they could have made arfus cageable and could have been sold on the AH giving people who never got him with the hideous drop rate a chance to have him
OKAY TOTALLY BIT OFF TOPIC so mid watching this video and seein actual clarification on the changes on loot tables for the Headless Horseman encounter, i immediately qued for the dungeon while listening and FINALLY GOT THE MOUNT DROP so i hereby attribute my new horsie corpsie mount to DragonsAfterDark XD Dont mind me runnin off to go do Dragon Soul a few times over while listening to their playlist to see how long the luck lasts lol
I'm not familiar with FF's bad luck protection, but it'd be nice to have something like that in WoW. I don't expect to get everything the first few tries, but there were people in the 500s on Arfus! Not me, I think I only got to 200+ because I didn't think the drop rate would be that bad given everything Blizz said, but no one should have to run something that many times, and in some cases more, to see a drop happen.
I don't know anything about the pet battle community. I didn't even know there was a pet battle community. That said, Blizzard is taking a big loss here. You clearly are very passionate about pets and pet battles and its people like you who make the community go round. I can't believe they would put real power behind a limited, rng pet. I don't know anything about pet battles so I figured it was probably just above average. That's really lame. I'm going to start advocating for not putting powerful pets behind rng.
I hope you got Arfus in 2024!, you can remake level 10s (dark iron dwarf shaman resto, and spam lightning bolt is best way, earth shield yourself) over and over again, remake and delete until you get it
I did get him! I won't lie, I thought the characters under 70 getting the purple pumpkin loot was a bug, so I was running as many characters as I could before they 'fixed' it. 😂
I got him on the last day ! Second to last char. RNG gods heard me. I'm unsubbing aswel after Drragonflight season 3 is over. I want to give wow a long long break. I want to spend more time on other projects.
There are people with so many tries that I'm starting to think the drop is bugged. It wouldn't be ther first, in fact, it would be almost the rule that something just doesn't drop for some people. Manuscripts were like this.
I hear what you're saying and I think you make a good arguement, but this is just a collectors problem. WoW was not designed with collecting being the main source of entertainment. Collecting is something you just do on the side during downtime. I enjoy collecting myself. But if something has a 1% drop rate (or is even removed later on) and I don't get it, I don't complain about it, I just move onto the next thing to farm. It doesn't matter, it doesn't help progress my character through the content in anyway, its just a fun cosmetic item. I am able to play WoW with or without Arfus (fortunately I get to play with him). Collecting a 1% droprate item does have a level of prestige to it. You have something to show off that is rare. Now if you choose to spend your time gambling on a low RNG drop on multiple characters daily just to get a rare drop, that is your choice. But if it's causing you frustration, then you only have yourself to blame. These items are designed to be a "I was there I got the kill and the Pet dropped" reward. Just because you don't value the prestige of owning a rare drop item, doesn't mean that other players share that opinion. In fact, I am very much of the opposite opinion. Over the past year, I have completely stopped farming old content for drops (such a mounts etc), and purely focus on current content (whether it's world content or end-game), and I will say the game have become 1000 times more enjoyable. Still, whilst I disagree with you. I do want to say you have put together a really good video here and made a strong argument. Good job :).
This kind of FOMO has always been in the game but in recent expansions it has spiralled out of control, it's bad when content creators and more dedicated collectors than myself etc can't even keep up with it. The "first drop of the day per acc" and then the four curses hasn't solved anything; if anything it is just making players wonder if they are doing something wrong when they do multiple 4 curse runs a day and seeing nothing drop except currrency and a mask. I'm tired of logging in every day to do multiple runs for a HOLIDAY EVENT, as if other games haven't got other holiday events either that we'd like to use our limited time to enjoy? Or even the other holiday content in WoW, I skipped it all this year to focus on boss runs. It's just salt in the wound that this week is the pet battle event. Get that ultimate level up stone for the dog that didn't drop! All the best mate. Good luck whatever you end up doing.
Oh, wow. I was not expecting this. Thank you for all your contributions to the pet community. This video was well articulated and edited. World events SHOULD be fun! It's a shame they aren't when it comes to rare limited drops like these.
You will be missed. I have loved you videos and always look forward to them.
Arfus felt awful. My lucky friend got it on the 1st without even needing or wanting it... He was pissed he couldn't trade it to me... I farmed til the very last day and even the morning prior to the event ending. Did over 420 attemps and neither the pet nor the drake mog dropped... That is just astonishingly bad.
It is sad that you are leaving, but understandable as blizz's actions in the past years have been getting worse...
I hope we see better days in the future.
I got it first dungeon this time
Farmed this on 3 I.D's over the holiday and still had no luck with getting it sadly. Thank you for all your insight and information.
You have been so generous with your time, knowledge, and encouragement to our pet battle community. Thank you for all of your hard work and sharing information about the only part of WOW I play.
I have every pet in the game with the exception of 5 or 6 blizzcon exclusives in the past. The fact that they didn’t make arfus cage-able at the very least proves they don’t give a damn. I had so many guildies get him that couldn’t care less about the pet. At least let people make some gold then. I finally got arfus the second to last day before event end. It was crazy for me to think that I’d have to wait an entire year to try again. I don’t blame you for cancelling your sub. That’s the only thing blizz will listen to is loss of money
I just discovered your channel not to long ago and definitely hate to see you leaving… However, I definitely understand as lately I’ve been pretty off and on with warcraft in general! I’ve just gotten back into uploading pet battle videos again and have you to thank for getting me back into it! Thank you for all you’ve done for the pet battle community and hope to see you back soon ❤
I genuinely believe there shouldn't be a single piece of content in WoW that requires more then 100 runs for any single person. The fact that there is NO RNG protection mechanism for things like mounts or pets, to me is just... frustrating. This is one thing I will without question hand the win to FFXIV for. I still genuinely can't for the life of me can't figure out why they changed tokens halfway through. I'm glad folks who don't collect a ton of pets were floating on a few, but I'm never far above 100 or 200 at any given point getting tokens / etc.
That all said Xu Fu's and the work you guys do over there is like one of the few reasons I can even tolerate or enjoy pet battling, so you have my sincerest thanks for that.
i will miss u and your guides
Thank you for making this video, it was very informative and reassuring that my lack of luck was not uncommon. After 405 loot-filled pumpkins (this year), I finally got Arfus. It was not my first kill of the day and I did not use the wicker man curses. It was one of if not the hardest grind for a pet that I have ever done, similar to the Wondrous Wisdomball. I am free lol. I'm happy that you are making videos again though ❤
Grats on the grind being over! 🥳
So sad to see and hear this, but I understand. I just came back to WoW after 2 years. We, my sister, son, and I all left for same reasons not pet battle related, but I'm not going into that here. I came back because of the pets and pet battles. I loved them all along and still do. My sister and son haven't returned so I play alone. For that reason I've been finding info I need on youtube and found some of your videos. I love the way you do/did yours and even though you said you won't be checking your youtube anymore, I wanted to post and say thank you for what you have done. May God bless you in what ever path you walk from here.
I got Arfus 4th run. Didn't know it was a rare drop. Finally got the Horseman Mount too. Only 10 years of trying to get that damn Horseman mount.
Dang, I just subscribed today, too. And even though it seems like you won't see this, I gotta say that the pet community is weaker without you. But I get it. All the raid/mythic/pvp pets really got to me and I just didn't have a sub for all of Shadowlands.
Hoooooly crap, this is so sad :( I'll miss having you around.
Weird post for november when everyone who got Arfus already got it from horseman, rip to anyone who wasn't lucky.
But I think it would still be neat to get it in retail if you got the wrath achievement, if you didn't already have it from horseman.
I fully agree with your comments, having run my alts through this with zero drop! I feel sad if your leaving but understand your reasons.
damn i didnt know people cared this much about a tiny part of the game. its refreshing to hear! i got this pet and never pet battled. i wish i could give it to you
I appreciate the offer, but thankfully I got him this year! ^^
As I play this game, you’re right! The system is set up to waste time and grindy to make profit just like a slot machine. The house always wins. Just make people more aware of this!!!
And I thought I was disappointed by not getting Arfus (despite trying as hard as I could, sans leveling more alts in the given time.) Neither I nor my hubby got it and we were so sad that a pet was made this extraordinarily difficult to obtain. We didn't know the curses had no effect on the pet drop and both had the mount, so we made the whole ordeal that much harder on ourselves for no reason. But now I'm even more devastated, knowing that not only did the event leave a bitter aftertaste, the entire pet community is losing an invaluable member that contributed richly to our understanding of pet battles and enjoyment of the game. I've walked away from WoW a couple of times over the years, since unsubbing is about the only way to express absolute disagreement with a policy. I left when the devs decided flying should be removed and fortunately that plan was abandoned. I truly hope that the situation with Arfus is made right, if not well before next Halloween, at the very least for the next opportunity when the holiday returns. And with all my heart I hope you find a game that is tremendously fun for you and I also hope that you'll return to WoW in the future if they get their collective head out of the sand and fix their RNG pet drops. Much love and gratitude!
Thank you for everything, Dragons. I hope you have a change of heart and return to us. You are one of my favorite content creators. I'm still holding out hope!
525 attempts on Arfus and I never got him. Don't worry I'll be giving them hell ion that cord about battle pets now 🤣 they got hell the entire last two weeks from me in there about this.
I'm so sorry you are leaving, I'm a day one vanilla player and I considered cancelling for the first time ever because of this. I'm tired of these lots systems, they are awful and wow needs an overhaul from them.
You will definitely be missed, but you have to do what's best for you and your fun! ❤
omg. I did a few each day, but nothing like that level of commitment...
420+ for me and it didn't drop...
Dang, 37-38 lv70 alts that are useful for nothing more than holiday loot
I'm really sad to hear you wont be doing pet videos anymore but I completely understand. I absolutely have loved your content and very professional videos.
i mean true the pet battle system isn't great at time but there are some people who just art smart enough to come up with good strategies. my gf and a few other people i know got arfus just by running the halloween dungeon some of them ran it with the wicker man curse active to try and boost their chances of getting items they wanted. but as for the pet battleing i've boiled it down to some people not coming up with good strategies to improve their chances of winning and some not making the connection that half of the pet battle system is legit a copy and paste of pokemon type advantage
I absolutely love arfus finally got him this year!!
I know this is a year old, but it showed up on my feed just today
This year I came back to the game as I missed playing. I seen that this cute little guy would be in the Halloween event, so I wanted to farm for it
It took me 169 HH kills just to get it.
I know some got it within the 50 mark of it.
Im just not a fan of low drop rate pets/mounts from events. Wish the drop rate was at least a little better than what it is now
So sad to hear you're leaving content creation...
But I totally understand, I do. Because I'm in that exact same spot, I just recently started to think, is it worth it? To keep playing? To make stuff, post your rants? Or not at all. We are just not heard, they just don't listen and this constant mockery and trolling becomes tiring after some point.
I was lucky to get him the last day of the event 31.10 on my first attemps of the day 🙂... fyi, I had about 125 attempt prior of that.... And thanks for now and everything...We'll miss you 😞
if you don't mind me asking, did you get it in Classic or Retail?
@@isabellavantichel4459 Retail.. 🙂
@@isabellavantichel4459 retail 🙂
I know this video is a year old but, the drop rate must be lower than 1% because when i tell you i farmed the headless horseman everyday with curses and multiple characters and got neither the mount or arfus was very soul crushing.
I'm both happy and sad I caught this not long after you posted, and not weeks afterwards by happenstance. I'm going to miss seeing you around, and getting your help. I can only think it's been the poor employment state at Blizz that's contributed in part to this - cancelling Work From Home, bad management, an indifferent and greedy C-Suite....
I managed to get it by throwing a very high number of alts (and a very high amount of time) at the problem. I then did the same with even more alts for the Love is in the Air mount/drake armor and came up short on that one.
It's bonkers to me that Blizzard can acknowledge how awful that process is and then at the same time add more to it. I hope that eventually they can come to their senses and actually make a system for these items that doesn't crush people's souls.
Agreed! I'm hoping to either see a higher droprate this year, Arfus on the vendor, or both.
I'm so sad to see you leave, but I don't at all disagree with any of your points. You've done a lot of great work here though, and you'll definitely be missed.
Seeing this a year later - yeah, the way Blizz handles RNG in some things is awful. 130 attempts last year, 400 attempts this year so far (after they changed it to have lvl 10+ characters eligible for the box) while my husband couldn't trade me his multiple copies he got while farming the mount. We're at a point in game design where certain bad luck protections should be in place, even if they're restrictive and harder to achieve.
Don't get me started with Infinite Timereaver that evades me still after many years. :(
It should be either a purchasable item or a higher drop rate.
you will be very much missed they should have made arfus a quest or about 150 special treats NOT a stupid drop that hardly anyone got i did the HH for over 3 hours every day and i never got him they could have made arfus cageable and could have been sold on the AH giving people who never got him with the hideous drop rate a chance to have him
Tks for All And All the best in the world for you ❤
Happy Battle-ing!
what??? there was a mount you can get in regular game for playing a dk in classic???? is this still going or over???
😞 You will be missed in the community😢
Arfus took me 123 tries to get him... on 125 I did get a second one... no need to say he is one of those unique pets which can't be caged...
Hate hearing this. Really enjoyed your videos but wish you the best. ☺️
OKAY TOTALLY BIT OFF TOPIC so mid watching this video and seein actual clarification on the changes on loot tables for the Headless Horseman encounter, i immediately qued for the dungeon while listening and FINALLY GOT THE MOUNT DROP so i hereby attribute my new horsie corpsie mount to DragonsAfterDark XD
Dont mind me runnin off to go do Dragon Soul a few times over while listening to their playlist to see how long the luck lasts lol
It be nice to have like totems like in FFXIV to be able to eventually get what you want if your that unlucky!
I'm not familiar with FF's bad luck protection, but it'd be nice to have something like that in WoW. I don't expect to get everything the first few tries, but there were people in the 500s on Arfus! Not me, I think I only got to 200+ because I didn't think the drop rate would be that bad given everything Blizz said, but no one should have to run something that many times, and in some cases more, to see a drop happen.
You will be missed :\
I don't know anything about the pet battle community. I didn't even know there was a pet battle community. That said, Blizzard is taking a big loss here. You clearly are very passionate about pets and pet battles and its people like you who make the community go round.
I can't believe they would put real power behind a limited, rng pet. I don't know anything about pet battles so I figured it was probably just above average. That's really lame. I'm going to start advocating for not putting powerful pets behind rng.
I hope you got Arfus in 2024!, you can remake level 10s (dark iron dwarf shaman resto, and spam lightning bolt is best way, earth shield yourself) over and over again, remake and delete until you get it
I did get him! I won't lie, I thought the characters under 70 getting the purple pumpkin loot was a bug, so I was running as many characters as I could before they 'fixed' it. 😂
I got him on the last day ! Second to last char. RNG gods heard me. I'm unsubbing aswel after Drragonflight season 3 is over. I want to give wow a long long break. I want to spend more time on other projects.
There are people with so many tries that I'm starting to think the drop is bugged. It wouldn't be ther first, in fact, it would be almost the rule that something just doesn't drop for some people. Manuscripts were like this.
I farmed for the mount 15x/day and all I got was this stupid dog.
I hear what you're saying and I think you make a good arguement, but this is just a collectors problem.
WoW was not designed with collecting being the main source of entertainment. Collecting is something you just do on the side during downtime.
I enjoy collecting myself. But if something has a 1% drop rate (or is even removed later on) and I don't get it, I don't complain about it, I just move onto the next thing to farm. It doesn't matter, it doesn't help progress my character through the content in anyway, its just a fun cosmetic item. I am able to play WoW with or without Arfus (fortunately I get to play with him).
Collecting a 1% droprate item does have a level of prestige to it. You have something to show off that is rare. Now if you choose to spend your time gambling on a low RNG drop on multiple characters daily just to get a rare drop, that is your choice. But if it's causing you frustration, then you only have yourself to blame. These items are designed to be a "I was there I got the kill and the Pet dropped" reward. Just because you don't value the prestige of owning a rare drop item, doesn't mean that other players share that opinion. In fact, I am very much of the opposite opinion.
Over the past year, I have completely stopped farming old content for drops (such a mounts etc), and purely focus on current content (whether it's world content or end-game), and I will say the game have become 1000 times more enjoyable.
Still, whilst I disagree with you. I do want to say you have put together a really good video here and made a strong argument. Good job :).
I'm going to miss you so much!
I got 3 of these and I couldn’t trade them too random people sorry the 3 in area 52
This kind of FOMO has always been in the game but in recent expansions it has spiralled out of control, it's bad when content creators and more dedicated collectors than myself etc can't even keep up with it.
The "first drop of the day per acc" and then the four curses hasn't solved anything; if anything it is just making players wonder if they are doing something wrong when they do multiple 4 curse runs a day and seeing nothing drop except currrency and a mask.
I'm tired of logging in every day to do multiple runs for a HOLIDAY EVENT, as if other games haven't got other holiday events either that we'd like to use our limited time to enjoy? Or even the other holiday content in WoW, I skipped it all this year to focus on boss runs.
It's just salt in the wound that this week is the pet battle event. Get that ultimate level up stone for the dog that didn't drop!
All the best mate. Good luck whatever you end up doing.
I got him last night woo!
Grats! 🥳
O got it on 20
I think that it should take a couple of years to get holiday pets.
236trys no pet