Wow does this ever bring back memories! I had the privilege of growing up with at least 3 buildings back in the 90’s that had this exact system - 2 malls plus a movie theatre. I also worked in a nursing home which used this as well and got to see a full demonstration back then as to how this worked. Exactly as you have here with one exception; they all employed Adaptabel single-stroke bells instead of vibrating. When first stage was activated they sounded like this; “Ding (pause) ding (pause) ding.” Then once the system entered second stage the bells would all sound in a march time pattern like this; “DIng Ding Ding Ding Ding” until system silenced or 2 stage acknowledged button pushed(back to first stage) If you listen to the 800% sped up part of the video it sounds exactly like the Adatabels in second stage. Not sure exactly when Edwards stopped making the 10” Adatabels but I can confirm that after 1964 they were available in Canada as single-stroke only.
Thank you so much for this video. As someone who went to school and grew in various cities across Canada this Edwards system brings back so many memories of fire drills when I was taught about the two stages. My elementary and junior high schools had such systems with the same pull stations, bells, and even the same control panel. The FACP in my junior high was even mounted inside the office. Once I started university I noticed that many of the newer buildings have modern addressable panels with horrible cheap looking plastic pull stations and cheap speakers instead of bells. Sad to see the fire alarm industry also looking for ways to cut costs like many others. I am so happy I finally got to find a TH-cam channel about alarm systems from Canada. I would love to see what other systems you have in your collection.
It was fun getting this thing all initially built and working! I remember us trying to lift that thing onto the table to bench test it lmao. I believe actually that these panels (at least the Mark IIs) were still around when the ESA-2000 was in production, so there was a brief period where both were still being sold at the same time!
Very nice video. As someone who worked on fire alarms for 50+ years, i have to say thar the 6500 was one of the best. Although i wound up my company a few years ago, i still have my 6500 test board up, and loads of spare parts, and manuals. Let me know if there is anything you need. I usually get back to emails within 2 days.
We just pulled this panel out of my building last year to bad i didnt know you wanted one . the simplex system i told you about is what replaced it. We only changed it out because the old one the bords were starting to fail and we wanted a more state of the art system
Neat vid, I have a few 2-stage pulls myself; the UL version of yours, a Cerberus-Pyrotronics MS-53, and a (pre-Honeywell acquisition) Gamewell M46-30. I haven’t seen many 2-stage systems here in the states, but the one I did see was a Johnson Controls branded Notifier system. It had 2-stage addressable JBG-10L pull stations. I’m not sure if they were custom or not since the only proof of a 2-stage device was a mention on the Fire-Lite data sheet, but that indicates the 2-stage devices are hex reset.
Ahh, I knew a longer key must exist for those 270s with the keyswitch! The regular arrowhart key is definitely a bit too short. Now I need to track one of those down...
I love these panels! They're soo dated & kistchy 70s looking, and such a cool, modular and simple design. But not many exist in the US anymore since they all broke down, since their manufacture quality sadly lacks from it's competitors...
As I live in the UK, we don't have such cool fire alarms. The equivalent of the term "Annunciator" over here it is called a repeater panel. We do have more compact sounder bases though.
Have you seen a system where the audible signal is coded. I'm not talking about a coded system, I'm talking about an addressable system, but each zone has it's own code on the horns. If the alarm sounded occupants were instructed to listen to the code. If the code was for your zone, you were to evacuate. If the code was for another zone, you were to await instructions. In the event of an actual fire you would be instructed to evacuate...possibly to another location inside the large building. I was in that building when there was an actual fire. Fire alarm sounded, I woke up and awaited instructions, a bit later a PA announcement was made to evacuate to the opposite side of the building from the fire.
I think my highschool had this too, temp one first, but instead the second is code 3. Only heard the second once ever and the first stage was really long like 20 min.
in the US typically we dont have 2 stage but for highrises and hospitals we have area by area or floor by floor evac typically, so its a similar concept, done for the same reasons.
my JR high school and high school both had the 2 stage but they were set up to have full alarm with pull stations and only go into stage one if there was an issue in the mechanical room
@@tronicsterspeaker9946 not sure what you really mean by that I've worked on projects installing seismic detection system for University and used for the provinces early warning system but that's completely different
Have a look at the fire alarms we have hete in aus just about all them are 2 satge but instead of bells we have speekers that play a beep beep beep for how ever long is neded then gose into a up sweep alarm tone and can play voice messages if neded
If it's a two wire version with a strobe it won't work for you as the first stage signal pulse is too fast it would need to be a version with the coded option
"It looks like they are ran off the same zone initiating currents." If it looks like they run _off_ those same currents then what does it look like they run *ON?*
@@nics-systems-electric: "Cool story" is often something sarcastic a person might say when you feel like being rude for no good reason, right? Someone here has just shown you a way to make more sense while taking _less effort._ Do you prefer doing more work on something than you have to, for some odd reason? If not, then why would you reply kind of rudely instead of either neutrally or even gratefully?
@@nics-systems-electric: Why would you prefer to go through more effort to make less sense? What's the supposed "down side," according to you, of thinking, "Oh yeah, good point, it's less work and makes more sense"?
"...That you think myself or others could take away..." I don't think _yourself_ could take something away from it, because I'm not you. However, if I come up with any more information that I think *you* ("I") could take something away from it, I'll let you know.
IKR, it looks the same to me due to the individual modules that have the same widths and bolt into the panel with screws on each side. There are even some taller and some shorter modules just like how you would have 1U, 2U, 3U, etc. height switches/servers/etc all mounted into an equipment rank
@@nics-systems-electric: When you said, "...and there [are] still many of them still around" I asked "...still... still?" because I kind of wondered why that couldn't just be accomplished with only the "still" between "many of them" and "around." Now... you're not gonna reply rudely again for some odd reason with some kind of "cool story" or similar thing just because I asked you about something that would _save you from extra effort_ while making more sense at the same time... *are you?*
@@HelloKittyFanMan rudely? Not sure why you're trying to be smart and pick mistakes. people are human and make vocabulary mistakes. If that bothers you find other content to watch where its purpose is absolutely perfect english speaking.
"As best as I can." With "best" being the extreme good, is there really any way that it can be on a scale, with "as" for variability up and down that scale? * *"...The* best I can."
Right, of course computers had been invented years before the 80s. They came out in the 1940s when you claimed that fire alarms did, but then fire alarms came out in the 1850s.
You did not find microprocessing in fire alarm systems until the 80s you also did not find relay based fire alarm systems in the 1850s technology takes time to be implemented.
@@nics-systems-electric: I'm aware of that; I don't think I said that I did. But my comment wasn't about that. You simply said that fire alarms came out in the 1940s, so I gave you the actual information to replace that. You said that computers were invented years before the 80s, and I simply specified how far before, since it wasn't just years but decades.
@@nics-systems-electric: Oh shoot, we were both wrong. 1. You didn't say anything about buildings. You said "so this is really '40s technology, probably earlier." So that means I was wrong too, originally claiming that you said that fire alarms in general came out in the 40s, but I remembered wrong. I doubt that, anyway, because printed circuit boards didn't come out until later. Stuff was weirdly soldered together just with stiff wires and protective sheaths before PCBs came out.
@@HelloKittyFanMan I think Nic was saying the basic circuit design dates back to the 1940s, not that the exact design is that old. AFAIK some of the functionality (like ground fault detection) uses transistors and I don't think they'd have confidence in that until at least the late 1960s. And unrelated to that, AFAIK printed circuit boards _were_ around in the late 1940s, just not nearly as common as they became in the 1950s.
I just wanna say I hate system sensor now because I don't know if you've noticed but I think you've installed advances, and nobody likes those because they are bleeding loud, especially for the hard of hearing school. Where I got this from, this video below is how I found out about these system sensor advances. Watch the whole video to get my point. Please don't install advances, if you haven't, please reply specifically. th-cam.com/video/Lt-bNBlxsLQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=UalHoZwFAyq1umh5
Fire alarms are supposed to be loud they are legally required to meet specific decibel ratings all manufacturers produce devices with a similar output.
@@nics-systems-electricmy elementary school has horn strobes in bathrooms that absolutely should not have horn strobes. I am lucky enough to not have been in those bathrooms while they are going off. The high school i went to is completely Voice Evac. Siemens FireFinder XL
@@nics-systems-electric These were really small single person restrooms that were the size of a mid sized closet. not very big at all. MAYBE a 5’X5’ room. To make matters funnier, a larger restroom just had a remote strobe when it should’ve had a horn strobe. Honestly, I think it was a mistake on the installers part.
Wow does this ever bring back memories! I had the privilege of growing up with at least 3 buildings back in the 90’s that had this exact system - 2 malls plus a movie theatre. I also worked in a nursing home which used this as well and got to see a full demonstration back then as to how this worked. Exactly as you have here with one exception; they all employed Adaptabel single-stroke bells instead of vibrating. When first stage was activated they sounded like this; “Ding (pause) ding (pause) ding.” Then once the system entered second stage the bells would all sound in a march time pattern like this; “DIng Ding Ding Ding Ding” until system silenced or 2 stage acknowledged button pushed(back to first stage) If you listen to the 800% sped up part of the video it sounds exactly like the Adatabels in second stage. Not sure exactly when Edwards stopped making the 10” Adatabels but I can confirm that after 1964 they were available in Canada as single-stroke only.
Thank you so much for this video. As someone who went to school and grew in various cities across Canada this Edwards system brings back so many memories of fire drills when I was taught about the two stages. My elementary and junior high schools had such systems with the same pull stations, bells, and even the same control panel. The FACP in my junior high was even mounted inside the office. Once I started university I noticed that many of the newer buildings have modern addressable panels with horrible cheap looking plastic pull stations and cheap speakers instead of bells. Sad to see the fire alarm industry also looking for ways to cut costs like many others. I am so happy I finally got to find a TH-cam channel about alarm systems from Canada. I would love to see what other systems you have in your collection.
Cool FACP! It's very customizable & very awesome! 😮😊
It was fun getting this thing all initially built and working! I remember us trying to lift that thing onto the table to bench test it lmao. I believe actually that these panels (at least the Mark IIs) were still around when the ESA-2000 was in production, so there was a brief period where both were still being sold at the same time!
Very nice video. As someone who worked on fire alarms for 50+ years, i have to say thar the 6500 was one of the best. Although i wound up my company a few years ago, i still have my 6500 test board up, and loads of spare parts, and manuals. Let me know if there is anything you need. I usually get back to emails within 2 days.
I’ve never heard of a two stage fire alarm panel, good to know!😊
Great explanation. Loved it.
Very nice demonstration!
Oh cool, never seen this fire alarm system like this 1
I like da video, keep it up..
I love the clunking when it resets
Well explained Nic!
Wow that a nice system Nic 😊❤🤩😍
Intresting i must say...
Keep it up my guy...
Yaaaaaay keep up the good work my friend 👊
cool system love the videos
We just pulled this panel out of my building last year to bad i didnt know you wanted one .
the simplex system i told you about is what replaced it.
We only changed it out because the old one the bords were starting to fail and we wanted a more state of the art system
Cool video, thanks!
I like that old steam
I like that old Stum
I love your video and I support you
Neat vid, I have a few 2-stage pulls myself; the UL version of yours, a Cerberus-Pyrotronics MS-53, and a (pre-Honeywell acquisition) Gamewell M46-30.
I haven’t seen many 2-stage systems here in the states, but the one I did see was a Johnson Controls branded Notifier system. It had 2-stage addressable JBG-10L pull stations. I’m not sure if they were custom or not since the only proof of a 2-stage device was a mention on the Fire-Lite data sheet, but that indicates the 2-stage devices are hex reset.
Ahh, I knew a longer key must exist for those 270s with the keyswitch! The regular arrowhart key is definitely a bit too short. Now I need to track one of those down...
Good system
As i said, still a great upload schedule
I'm hanging on barely lol
I love these panels! They're soo dated & kistchy 70s looking, and such a cool, modular and simple design.
But not many exist in the US anymore since they all broke down, since their manufacture quality sadly lacks from it's competitors...
As I live in the UK, we don't have such cool fire alarms. The equivalent of the term "Annunciator" over here it is called a repeater panel. We do have more compact sounder bases though.
Have you seen a system where the audible signal is coded. I'm not talking about a coded system, I'm talking about an addressable system, but each zone has it's own code on the horns. If the alarm sounded occupants were instructed to listen to the code. If the code was for your zone, you were to evacuate. If the code was for another zone, you were to await instructions. In the event of an actual fire you would be instructed to evacuate...possibly to another location inside the large building. I was in that building when there was an actual fire. Fire alarm sounded, I woke up and awaited instructions, a bit later a PA announcement was made to evacuate to the opposite side of the building from the fire.
I think my highschool had this too, temp one first, but instead the second is code 3. Only heard the second once ever and the first stage was really long like 20 min.
in the US typically we dont have 2 stage but for highrises and hospitals we have area by area or floor by floor evac typically, so its a similar concept, done for the same reasons.
nice herdio speakers btw
my JR high school and high school both had the 2 stage but they were set up to have full alarm with pull stations and only go into stage one if there was an issue in the mechanical room
In the rec centre that twenty three 33 filmed in bell test 7 monitoring gets called in 1st stage
Maybe make a tornado system in your house for safety if there's a tornado weather
We don't get tornadoes where I live just earthquakes
@@nics-systems-electric you could make an earth quake alarm
@@tronicsterspeaker9946 not sure what you really mean by that I've worked on projects installing seismic detection system for University and used for the provinces early warning system but that's completely different
I like that long two stage key! Where did you get it? I’ve been looking for one like that
got a question for you nic what is worse dealing with a ground fault or dealing with the portables problems on the est quickstart?
Do a train gate video
- Video idea: how easy it is to accidentally pull an BG-12
You just slap it hard!
Now what is the difference between pre-signal and pre-alarm
Does this 6500 use parts from the one you pulled out of that elementary school? In fact, what happened to that unit? Is this one still that unit?
can you make a video about the railroad crossing?
I have one from a year or two back it hasn't changed at all since then
Have a look at the fire alarms we have hete in aus just about all them are 2 satge but instead of bells we have speekers that play a beep beep beep for how ever long is neded then gose into a up sweep alarm tone and can play voice messages if neded
What happens if you connect an l series to a 2 stage 6500?
If it's a two wire version with a strobe it won't work for you as the first stage signal pulse is too fast it would need to be a version with the coded option
Do you still have that low frequency sounder with the coded option?
"It looks like they are ran off the same zone initiating currents."
If it looks like they run _off_ those same currents then what does it look like they run *ON?*
Growing up in Canada god I hated the bells. Although seeing it now I still hate it.
"Hence why..."
You can save effort by just saying "hence..." and then the next thing, since "hence" already includes the idea of why.
Cool story.
@@nics-systems-electric: "Cool story" is often something sarcastic a person might say when you feel like being rude for no good reason, right? Someone here has just shown you a way to make more sense while taking _less effort._ Do you prefer doing more work on something than you have to, for some odd reason? If not, then why would you reply kind of rudely instead of either neutrally or even gratefully?
@@HelloKittyFanMan that's exactly what I meant it's more effort to read through a comment I will say things how I want to see them
@@nics-systems-electric: Why would you prefer to go through more effort to make less sense? What's the supposed "down side," according to you, of thinking, "Oh yeah, good point, it's less work and makes more sense"?
"...That you think myself or others could take away..." I don't think _yourself_ could take something away from it, because I'm not you. However, if I come up with any more information that I think *you* ("I") could take something away from it, I'll let you know.
You know how your house alarm has a garage alarm put a house alarm in the garage alarm for supervisory
Yes
@@nics-systems-electric are you going to put a chime strobe for supervisory in your garage?
No
A 6500 and the guests that is hunter and Conner which the TH-cam name is Canadian alarms and cj9899
it looks like a server rack for me idk how/
IKR, it looks the same to me due to the individual modules that have the same widths and bolt into the panel with screws on each side. There are even some taller and some shorter modules just like how you would have 1U, 2U, 3U, etc. height switches/servers/etc all mounted into an equipment rank
"Still... still"?
I don't understand
@@nics-systems-electric: When you said, "...and there [are] still many of them still around" I asked "...still... still?" because I kind of wondered why that couldn't just be accomplished with only the "still" between "many of them" and "around." Now... you're not gonna reply rudely again for some odd reason with some kind of "cool story" or similar thing just because I asked you about something that would _save you from extra effort_ while making more sense at the same time... *are you?*
@@HelloKittyFanMan rudely? Not sure why you're trying to be smart and pick mistakes. people are human and make vocabulary mistakes. If that bothers you find other content to watch where its purpose is absolutely perfect english speaking.
"As best as I can." With "best" being the extreme good, is there really any way that it can be on a scale, with "as" for variability up and down that scale?
* *"...The* best I can."
Third comment
just shut up nobody cares that you are "third"
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The uk fire alarm system don’t use two stage not that I know of
Right, of course computers had been invented years before the 80s. They came out in the 1940s when you claimed that fire alarms did, but then fire alarms came out in the 1850s.
You did not find microprocessing in fire alarm systems until the 80s you also did not find relay based fire alarm systems in the 1850s technology takes time to be implemented.
@@nics-systems-electric: I'm aware of that; I don't think I said that I did. But my comment wasn't about that. You simply said that fire alarms came out in the 1940s, so I gave you the actual information to replace that. You said that computers were invented years before the 80s, and I simply specified how far before, since it wasn't just years but decades.
@@HelloKittyFanMan no need. What I said was correct 👍. buildings did not get automatic fire alarm systems until the 30s and 40s.
@@nics-systems-electric: Oh shoot, we were both wrong. 1. You didn't say anything about buildings. You said "so this is really '40s technology, probably earlier." So that means I was wrong too, originally claiming that you said that fire alarms in general came out in the 40s, but I remembered wrong. I doubt that, anyway, because printed circuit boards didn't come out until later. Stuff was weirdly soldered together just with stiff wires and protective sheaths before PCBs came out.
@@HelloKittyFanMan I think Nic was saying the basic circuit design dates back to the 1940s, not that the exact design is that old. AFAIK some of the functionality (like ground fault detection) uses transistors and I don't think they'd have confidence in that until at least the late 1960s.
And unrelated to that, AFAIK printed circuit boards _were_ around in the late 1940s, just not nearly as common as they became in the 1950s.
I just wanna say I hate system sensor now because I don't know if you've noticed but I think you've installed advances, and nobody likes those because they are bleeding loud, especially for the hard of hearing school. Where I got this from, this video below is how I found out about these system sensor advances. Watch the whole video to get my point. Please don't install advances, if you haven't, please reply specifically.
th-cam.com/video/Lt-bNBlxsLQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=UalHoZwFAyq1umh5
Fire alarms are supposed to be loud they are legally required to meet specific decibel ratings all manufacturers produce devices with a similar output.
womp womp
@@nics-systems-electricmy elementary school has horn strobes in bathrooms that absolutely should not have horn strobes. I am lucky enough to not have been in those bathrooms while they are going off. The high school i went to is completely Voice Evac. Siemens FireFinder XL
@@shaynewaite5329 often times bathrooms need to have them
@@nics-systems-electric These were really small single person restrooms that were the size of a mid sized closet. not very big at all. MAYBE a 5’X5’ room. To make matters funnier, a larger restroom just had a remote strobe when it should’ve had a horn strobe. Honestly, I think it was a mistake on the installers part.