I think BFN was a nice switch between the games, it showed different aspects and had new, cool maps. It's indeed just sad to see that PopCap never got the time to finish everything up properly. Selling and coworking with EA was 1 of their most stupid mistakes ever. The rush was because of greed, greed for money on a famous franchise. I mean yeah what else can i say, everything we ever loved crushed down in front of our own eyes, all we have left is the awesome community we build together as a player base. There are bad corners in some groups (skids, hackers, etc) but most of the player base is pretty alright, we don't have a COD reputation quite yet so i see that as a positive. I think we all realise what happened to this franchise and these games and we can all agree together on 1 thing, the times we had since 2009 will never be forgotten forever and ever, this is what made my childhood a blast and always will be.
My biggest problem is the player toxicity and how they could play in the most safe, boring and cowardly ways possible and do infinitely better than decent players who are actually trying to play the game and fight people instead of sitting at the back like a bitch abusing terrible game balance: Double regen emergency exit citron Swarm drones spam Turret camping engineers Parkour nightcap Sunflower in general fuck bfn sunflower :)!!! And don't even get me started on the phrase system.. Sure you're always going to have ppl who take shooter games way too seriously, but holy shit the toxicity bfn enables just by having pre-built phrases like "Terrible!", "Gifted", "Chicken Sighting!", AND A LITERAL SHIT EMOJI💩
The main problems for me was the player base. Way more obnoxious, toxic, and annoying than gw2; both of the player bases pale in comparison to gw1 players tho
AI Backfill was such a damn awful idea. It makes kill farming too cheesy in dead lobbies for a dead game. Another thing, Sunflower in BFN is another breed of annoyance since she her abilities are more annoying than hers in GW2 considering the fact that her healing is more busted there than the 1st 2 games.
I think Sunflower was ruined in this game. Projectile is horrible, she has no survivability from several of the abilities Zombies have plus Pirate and Brainium Basher, she can only heal one target (two with upgrade) while Scientist can just... heal an infinite amount of zombies... especially with the upgrade that increases the range, also she's outplayed by both Rose and Night cap as a reviver... Night cap gets incubate to revive much faster and Rose... Arcane Enigma + Super Savior + Refreshing Revive... unless there's a Wizard or E-Slide she's gonna get that revive off. She's horrible...
@@championumbreon1771 sunflower has a lot of survivability, yes they do come from sun drop ability or some of the upgrades but that isn’t a problem. also sunflowers base attack is actually pretty good when u also can heal at the same time, also the multi heal upgrade doesn’t heal just two it’s more and nightcap isn’t the best reviver either.. you could be using points on having armor when invisible or jump while using fung fu (sorry i had to)
You're not using the right upgrades on Night Cap then if you're saying she's a bad/not the best reviver. Clear Coating, Incubate, Refreshing Revive. 9/10 you'll live if a zombie attacks you unless it's a Brainium or Yeti Imp main. Those two upgrades for Sunflower will only get you so far as Zombies are the most freaking mobile classes for whatever freaking reason as most tryhards play Zombies anyways. Online is a different issue but even then, nobody plays Sunflower anyways. Only thing she's good for is either being a vegetable shield or the full HP upon reviving. Other than that just use Night Cap or Rose with the right upgrades and you can easily out revive a Sunflower. I've stopped Zombies Spawn Camping doing those methods in Giddy Park and gotten 30-50 Revives in Online Turf with either Revive Cap or Revive Rose builds... of course that's only if I get good team mates... which 9/10 the good/skilled people are playing BS Zombies like 80s, Pirate, Brainium, TV Head, E-Slide, and Scientist who have twigs for Hit Boxes.
@@championumbreon1771 it’s just weird to fufill a support role using nightcap when you could be just do the main use, attscking, way better with different upgrades
Honestly I don't feel like Balancing should ever be a Category we should look at seriously, because there is not a single Plants Vs Zombies Game that exists at all ever that has ever been balanced fairly. Balance is not something this Series is good at or really cares too much about. Oh as well, this video isn't really fair or accurate to what happened with Battle for Neighborville. Yes, it was rushed, it wasn't rushed for money or greed or whatever though. It was forced to release early due to Playtesters leaking footage, and even though that isn't the end of the world, EA thought it was and forced PopCap to release the game earlier than it was supposed to. That's why the Trailer dropped the day of Release, it was just dropped out of nowhere with no build up, because they weren't given time *to* build up. They tried to stick with the game after launch with updates, but again EA said no that players hated it and to pull the plug earlier than they wanted to. Which is why PvZ Projects now are stuck in a Perpetual Early Access Development Hell because EA won't allow them to release anything without fifty layers of testing and approval from all sides.
@@KinbageCabbagethere is something to be said about how bfn enables really awful playstyles in a uniquely bad way that I’ve never seen in any other game
@thedadtris It's a good map on gw1, but due to it being ported poorly with a ton of out of map glitches, having it be very unbalanced due to the characters plants get over zombies, and it just reusing the music from seeds of time (minor thing but), imo, it's the worst map in the game
This is a great video, even for someone who LOVES Bfn like me, since you’re just stating facts. Also, Bfn Switch (the version I play on) crashes more than Nicholas Latfi. Also also, I never knew you corner glitch so often, time to traumatize Nightcaps with Deadbeard
What everyone looks over is that bfn is really good as a single player and the storyline is fun; but yes online is inexcusably bad, and was never given a chance to be fixed due to COVID
I think AI backfill really killed any possible enjoyment u could have with BFN, just because it doesn’t fix the problem of having matches feel super steamroll heavy, and just amplifies it to the max, while also making it worse when ur team has a bunch of AI that don’t do much
ngl i think one of the main differences between gw and bfn that make players overhate bfn is the gameplay difference in bfn it is way faster and more reliant on good positioning in general, like you have sprinting, kill times are faster but compared to the gw series, movement is slower and surviving is easier
Honestly, this game could’ve gotten the support it needed to be better if it wasn’t dropped on the spot with 0 trailers, warnings, or anything. It just existed some random day and we had to accept it
Another problem I have with Bfn is that it feels way too Garden warfare 1 in some aspects, by that I mean most of the ideas that bfn brings to its maps have been done before For example peachy district, the map is just a watered down Main Street you even defend a taco restaurant and the first objective is just the first objective of Zombopolis, where the attackers spawn in the sewer and they have to takeover the park to progress to the next point. Or colossal fossil which is literally just jewel junction with a different layout. Along with that the games art style just doesn’t appeal to me some of it is good but why was the zombies changed from having their technology being this dystopian and dead, to this ugly white and purple colour scheme or how there’s no graveyards at all graveyards are important to pvz since pvz zombies are inspired by the old fashioned zombies that rise from graveyards Now it’s just bland and their factories except for ztech oozivor look like I can go and find it irl. And also the gnomes ruins from being this ancient yet futuristic ruins to just some old Mayan like ruins. It just doesn’t feel pvz enough for me and feels like a completely different world
I would play BFN more if Asia wasnt the only active region on PC. Giddy park is boring af except if maybe there is some skid. It def is a bit overhated tho but not perfect
This may sound crazy, but I think this game is actually better on switch. Yeah the 30fps sucks but everything can be bought with coins and in my experience it feels just a bit more polished in terms of things like hit detection.
my main issue with bfn would have to be the maps. they just feel so small and short and cramped for me compared to how big gw2 and gw1 maps feel. also bfn citron mains can go snort their deceased pets ashes
In my opinion: yes it is I love this game (I’ll even put it as my second favorite PvZ game ever 3rd place goes to the original PvZ and 1st is obviously gw2
I'd say this game is overhated, sure it was HORRIBLE in Founders but it is a decent game now... aside from the bugs. I'd say this game would be on par or better than GW2 (imo) if all bugs were eliminated, balancing was better, and upgrade system was reworked.
whichever game is better is a preference thing, some people prefer gw2, some bfn, some gw1, while yes gw2 is just the best game in terms of MOST things, the other 2 have their own unique things about them making them worth playing, and bfn is one of the 3 games so it does count!!!! ( basically, bfn overhated, still not the best game ever. )
(Sorry for any spilling mistakes from now english is not my language)As some one who played gw1 and 2 i was playing this game until they killed it with AI that is realy what made me stop playing this game to this day . I would enjoy the game more if they remove AI and head glitch i think they where going in the right direction on plance and if they continue am sure they would have nerfed 80 and cuctis it was such unfortunte year for EA they stop suporting 2 games battel filed 5 and BFN. Also no one talk about how annyoing emps with z mac hunter upgrade
I think BFN was a nice switch between the games, it showed different aspects and had new, cool maps. It's indeed just sad to see that PopCap never got the time to finish everything up properly. Selling and coworking with EA was 1 of their most stupid mistakes ever. The rush was because of greed, greed for money on a famous franchise. I mean yeah what else can i say, everything we ever loved crushed down in front of our own eyes, all we have left is the awesome community we build together as a player base. There are bad corners in some groups (skids, hackers, etc) but most of the player base is pretty alright, we don't have a COD reputation quite yet so i see that as a positive. I think we all realise what happened to this franchise and these games and we can all agree together on 1 thing, the times we had since 2009 will never be forgotten forever and ever, this is what made my childhood a blast and always will be.
My biggest problem is the player toxicity and how they could play in the most safe, boring and cowardly ways possible and do infinitely better than decent players who are actually trying to play the game and fight people instead of sitting at the back like a bitch abusing terrible game balance:
Double regen emergency exit citron
Swarm drones spam
Turret camping engineers
Parkour nightcap
Sunflower in general fuck bfn sunflower :)!!!
And don't even get me started on the phrase system.. Sure you're always going to have ppl who take shooter games way too seriously, but holy shit the toxicity bfn enables just by having pre-built phrases like "Terrible!", "Gifted", "Chicken Sighting!", AND A LITERAL SHIT EMOJI💩
Short answer: it's only a little bit overhated, but still a downgrade
My friend is the biggest BFN defender ever. And we still have fun playing it! Lol
The main problems for me was the player base. Way more obnoxious, toxic, and annoying than gw2; both of the player bases pale in comparison to gw1 players tho
AI Backfill was such a damn awful idea. It makes kill farming too cheesy in dead lobbies for a dead game. Another thing, Sunflower in BFN is another breed of annoyance since she her abilities are more annoying than hers in GW2 considering the fact that her healing is more busted there than the 1st 2 games.
ai backfill is needed, and sunflower was shifted so she can compete with scientist (who is still the way better healer)
I think Sunflower was ruined in this game. Projectile is horrible, she has no survivability from several of the abilities Zombies have plus Pirate and Brainium Basher, she can only heal one target (two with upgrade) while Scientist can just... heal an infinite amount of zombies... especially with the upgrade that increases the range, also she's outplayed by both Rose and Night cap as a reviver... Night cap gets incubate to revive much faster and Rose... Arcane Enigma + Super Savior + Refreshing Revive... unless there's a Wizard or E-Slide she's gonna get that revive off. She's horrible...
@@championumbreon1771 sunflower has a lot of survivability, yes they do come from sun drop ability or some of the upgrades but that isn’t a problem. also sunflowers base attack is actually pretty good when u also can heal at the same time, also the multi heal upgrade doesn’t heal just two it’s more
and nightcap isn’t the best reviver either.. you could be using points on having armor when invisible or jump while using fung fu
(sorry i had to)
You're not using the right upgrades on Night Cap then if you're saying she's a bad/not the best reviver. Clear Coating, Incubate, Refreshing Revive. 9/10 you'll live if a zombie attacks you unless it's a Brainium or Yeti Imp main. Those two upgrades for Sunflower will only get you so far as Zombies are the most freaking mobile classes for whatever freaking reason as most tryhards play Zombies anyways. Online is a different issue but even then, nobody plays Sunflower anyways. Only thing she's good for is either being a vegetable shield or the full HP upon reviving. Other than that just use Night Cap or Rose with the right upgrades and you can easily out revive a Sunflower. I've stopped Zombies Spawn Camping doing those methods in Giddy Park and gotten 30-50 Revives in Online Turf with either Revive Cap or Revive Rose builds... of course that's only if I get good team mates... which 9/10 the good/skilled people are playing BS Zombies like 80s, Pirate, Brainium, TV Head, E-Slide, and Scientist who have twigs for Hit Boxes.
@@championumbreon1771 it’s just weird to fufill a support role using nightcap when you could be just do the main use, attscking, way better with different upgrades
Honestly I don't feel like Balancing should ever be a Category we should look at seriously, because there is not a single Plants Vs Zombies Game that exists at all ever that has ever been balanced fairly.
Balance is not something this Series is good at or really cares too much about.
Oh as well, this video isn't really fair or accurate to what happened with Battle for Neighborville.
Yes, it was rushed, it wasn't rushed for money or greed or whatever though.
It was forced to release early due to Playtesters leaking footage, and even though that isn't the end of the world, EA thought it was and forced PopCap to release the game earlier than it was supposed to.
That's why the Trailer dropped the day of Release, it was just dropped out of nowhere with no build up, because they weren't given time *to* build up.
They tried to stick with the game after launch with updates, but again EA said no that players hated it and to pull the plug earlier than they wanted to.
Which is why PvZ Projects now are stuck in a Perpetual Early Access Development Hell because EA won't allow them to release anything without fifty layers of testing and approval from all sides.
comparing this monetization system in this game and gw2's its def to get more money out of the playerbase
TL;DR the community ruined bfn and caused the franchise’s ‘death’
The horror of free battle passes @@LNixly
@@imflipsane True.
@@imflipsane Well it wasn't *just* the community, but they definitely were a factor.
Honestly a pretty decent essay. But you forgot another huge issue with Multiplayer: The Toxic Sweats.
Those are in every multiplayer shooter like, ever.
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@@KinbageCabbagethere is something to be said about how bfn enables really awful playstyles in a uniquely bad way that I’ve never seen in any other game
@@KinbageCabbage Yeah, but it happens way more often in BfN than in GW2.
@@rocksome445 Hola, b4stardo.
The game is alright, but honestly, I'd prefer Garden Warfare 2.
I like the private match in this game because you can actually be specific about wich character you want in the team
Bfn can be summed in one sentence: "BBs and Giddy park"
I personally really like bfn and I think it’s better than garden warfare 1 and it’s in my top 3 pvz games
Go away
@@Lukeeeee45 bruh no
@@Peely_Idk bro liked his own comment,gw1 is factually better.
@@Lukeeeee45 bro is tryna start beef 💀
L take on GW1 Wall-Nut Hills, W take on the rest. The fact a game with 23 characters is less balanced than a game with 121 characters is ludicrous.
Gw1 walnut hills sucks but its not the worst, Gw2 walnut hills is just pure ass
@@Saedrisminority opinion, like really bad to be honest
@@thedadtrisOn gw1, wallnut hills is actually pretty good, but in gw2, it's an unbalanced mess of a map
@Herobrain1717Pvz Maybe for people who aren't all that good at the game. However, walnut hills is a sick map for both games. I dont make the rules.
@thedadtris It's a good map on gw1, but due to it being ported poorly with a ton of out of map glitches, having it be very unbalanced due to the characters plants get over zombies, and it just reusing the music from seeds of time (minor thing but), imo, it's the worst map in the game
This is a great video, even for someone who LOVES Bfn like me, since you’re just stating facts. Also, Bfn Switch (the version I play on) crashes more than Nicholas Latfi. Also also, I never knew you corner glitch so often, time to traumatize Nightcaps with Deadbeard
Hi dabber
@@Hunter_The_Mubter And you’re back…
What everyone looks over is that bfn is really good as a single player and the storyline is fun; but yes online is inexcusably bad, and was never given a chance to be fixed due to COVID
I think AI backfill really killed any possible enjoyment u could have with BFN, just because it doesn’t fix the problem of having matches feel super steamroll heavy, and just amplifies it to the max, while also making it worse when ur team has a bunch of AI that don’t do much
ngl i think one of the main differences between gw and bfn that make players overhate bfn is the gameplay difference
in bfn it is way faster and more reliant on good positioning in general, like you have sprinting, kill times are faster
but compared to the gw series, movement is slower and surviving is easier
Honestly, this game could’ve gotten the support it needed to be better if it wasn’t dropped on the spot with 0 trailers, warnings, or anything. It just existed some random day and we had to accept it
I just play bfn for the new characters
I thought I was speaking to fujj for a second
At this point almost all the returning characters feel like new characters
Due to how much shit was changed
Another problem I have with Bfn is that it feels way too Garden warfare 1 in some aspects, by that I mean most of the ideas that bfn brings to its maps have been done before
For example peachy district, the map is just a watered down Main Street you even defend a taco restaurant and the first objective is just the first objective of Zombopolis, where the attackers spawn in the sewer and they have to takeover the park to progress to the next point. Or colossal fossil which is literally just jewel junction with a different layout.
Along with that the games art style just doesn’t appeal to me some of it is good but why was the zombies changed from having their technology being this dystopian and dead, to this ugly white and purple colour scheme or how there’s no graveyards at all graveyards are important to pvz since pvz zombies are inspired by the old fashioned zombies that rise from graveyards
Now it’s just bland and their factories except for ztech oozivor look like I can go and find it irl.
And also the gnomes ruins from being this ancient yet futuristic ruins to just some old Mayan like ruins.
It just doesn’t feel pvz enough for me and feels like a completely different world
Just because it’s worse doesn’t mean it sucks 🤷♂️
The one thing that i think everyone can agree on is bfn did better cosmetics
I personally like BFN more than GW2, but I can see why people don't like it, but it is definitely overhated
I would play BFN more if Asia wasnt the only active region on PC. Giddy park is boring af except if maybe there is some skid.
It def is a bit overhated tho but not perfect
This may sound crazy, but I think this game is actually better on switch. Yeah the 30fps sucks but everything can be bought with coins and in my experience it feels just a bit more polished in terms of things like hit detection.
my main issue with bfn would have to be the maps. they just feel so small and short and cramped for me compared to how big gw2 and gw1 maps feel. also bfn citron mains can go snort their deceased pets ashes
The ai makes using drones impossible.
In my opinion: yes it is I love this game (I’ll even put it as my second favorite PvZ game ever 3rd place goes to the original PvZ and 1st is obviously gw2
I wish EA would go back to the pvz series even if its not gw3 just anything new that’s actually good
I'd say this game is overhated, sure it was HORRIBLE in Founders but it is a decent game now... aside from the bugs. I'd say this game would be on par or better than GW2 (imo) if all bugs were eliminated, balancing was better, and upgrade system was reworked.
I must admit, TV Head is a very good character
Imma be honest,the main issue is how exploitable the game is,that also adds negative points 😤😤😤
In my opinion the game is Overhated I just wish they Made rose Cool not Ugly to the point you need to cover there eyes
But also they needed to added Variants and also The hover goat and Torchwood
Yeah the game play that you showed about cactus in 80 Action Hero have broken upgrade i agree.
Wake up babe, peak released.
It's a downgrade but not the worst game. WHY DID THEY NERF MY BOY CACTUS.
Yes.
What is a good citron imp build
I just depends tbh
whichever game is better is a preference thing, some people prefer gw2, some bfn, some gw1, while yes gw2 is just the best game in terms of MOST things, the other 2 have their own unique things about them making them worth playing, and bfn is one of the 3 games so it does count!!!! ( basically, bfn overhated, still not the best game ever. )
After watching this video I can confirm that BFN is a overhated balanced game with no glitches at all!
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I DIDNT SEND AN ARMY OF TANK COMMANDERS!!!!
CAP
@@LNixly I SWEAR
0:58 funny joke
Who made the unlimited sprint mechanic, it’s not fun
Overhated, but gw2 was still better
Yes
gw3 please where they add variants back
based
yes
yes, kinda it deserves it
i love bfn
No
(Sorry for any spilling mistakes from now english is not my language)As some one who played gw1 and 2 i was playing this game until they killed it with AI that is realy what made me stop playing this game to this day .
I would enjoy the game more if they remove AI and head glitch i think they where going in the right direction on plance and if they continue am sure they would have nerfed 80 and cuctis it was such unfortunte year for EA they stop suporting 2 games battel filed 5 and BFN. Also no one talk about how annyoing emps with z mac hunter upgrade
its not hated enough fr, my precious law peas not in the game 🤰🤰🤰
Hi Nixly
sir this is mcdonalds
I love 80s I don't care if his overhated
No it sucks lol