MiniBrute 2 vs 2S: What are the differences?
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The MiniBrute 2 and MiniBrute 2S - OK, so they're out there and they look very similar - so what are the differences? Check it out here...
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Very cool. Someone in another forum observed incorrectly that the arpeggiator the 2S is limited to a single octave. That is of course incorrect as you demonstrated by the use of the Hold button. The 2S was definitely the one for me! Thank you.
I just ordered my mini brute 2s from Sweetwater and I'm so excited. I want to thank you for all your help and knowledge. You helped me with my decision. (YES) Also I really don't like the people that give this info a thumbs down. That really pisses me off.
(SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST MEAN) I think you are awesome and I'll be checking back in as soon as I get my new baby in. Thanks again!!
I think the booklet included instead of presets is an amazing idea, because it actually helps you to start practicing (with guidance) in the creation of sounds with this machine = )
Like the Moog one!
Nice hommage at Eurythmics :) Well, I've heard it that way.
yes! I came looking in the comments to see if it was just my imagination at 4:33 ff.
Always the best synth information channel! I bought the 2S and the options I have with the sequencer will keep me experimenting for years. It pairs with other semi modular synths really nicely also, as I’ve been discovering with my Neutron. Peace ✌️
As usual you clarify a lot of points in your explanations, thanks for it !
excellent video... very informative... I was basically unaware that all the killer seq features are missing on the keys version..... this is a complete no brainer... the sequencer version wins all day long... u r getting both versions in the S version, just need to have it hooked to a midi keyboard...
Def sold on the 2s thx for vid helped me Make my choice as ive got enough synths with keys and would much rather the sequencer in the S.
Love your videos. Great job!
Super awesome video!! Thank you.
Thanks for doing this. This was a specific question I wanted an answer for, so this was very handy!
Feel free to ask any follow ups ;)
@@loopop Cheers. Might be demoing one or the other so wanted to know the potential of them both. Think the 2s is most interesting.
Yep that’s my preference as well
Fantastic work my friend! You are an exceptional performer/reviewer
XYtoTheDoubleG hey thanks very much ;)
Fantastic vid. Thanks so much.
Very good work
Sick that they basically put all these settings that the micro needs its software for into knobs and buttons! Really handy
2S and a keystep = best of both worlds! Really nice to have to variations of a great product.
YES it's cool for people want a modular !
great comparison. Thank You., based on your review my choice was made. 2s for me
ok- the sequencer & easy keyboard connectivity has me sold. upgrading from Korg DS-10 & soft junk (!) to a Minibrute 2s! thanks for the rad vid!
All clips I'm watching today go mini-this and mini-that ... :-)
minibrute 2s with a keystep for me. Loving it.
This seems to be the best way to approach Minibrute because the keystep allows you to get the best of both worlds without really losing anything by going with the 2S.
If I have a MIDI keyboard, am I right in thinking I should just get the 2S?
@@dylanvieira9152 Yes that's what I would recommend. You get the huge benefit of added sequencer features on the 'S' model, plus the keys if you have an external keyboard that you can attach. Unless having the keys all in one unit is a huge advantage for you for gigging or something, I wouldn't consider the keyboard model.
the keystep and the 2s both have very similiar sequencers as far as I have heard. so thats a double win
You’re AWESOME!
2S is a really sweet synth, not to mention there is a way to use it as a drum machine for Techno tracks. I almost ended up getting it at one point, but the format was a huge issue for me. I have too many desktop gadgets as is, synths, mixers, MIDI surface control boards, and the clutter they and their cables create is sometimes overwhelming as is. It would have been very nice to have it in a similar format to Neutron or Delta CEP A (BTW that synth is really gorgeous looking and sounding) so I could attach it to a computer monitor arm the way my other synths are, and be able to swing it in and out as needed.
Wish I'd know 'bout your channel earlier. Your explanations are very clear. And because your native language is English (I guess) your talking is very "easy" on the ear (some synth reviewers on YT are very hard to understand and they talk in a weird "timbre" because they obviously have a hard time talking English).
....aaaaaand Loopop comes to the rescue... AGAIN!!!! when buying a synth
Just what I wanted to know :)
i like the 2S, nice move arturia
merci pour cette explication
8:43 FYI, the ramping saw LFO can be achievable from the normal LFO by using the inverter from the pathbay, but otherwise my general comments is a very good reviews you have on the Minibrute 2 series, thanks for sharing.
Some Music From Anders Jonsson true - I believe I mention it a few times in this series
4:45 - Sweet Dreams (Eurythmics) 😉
Ooooh, aftertouch... Delicious.
9:38 this is my favorite jam
8:15 is fire
i might have to get the s. as i have eurorack sequencers and the deluge. which honestly the patchbay is the selling point
MB2S kinda makes more sense because on the MB2 has way too few keys to be useful outside of bass
For the record many people, myself, use sequencers as part of live play, so calling the minibrute 2 as more of a live play instrument compared to the 2s is not really true. The truth is the minibrute 2 is more for keyboardist who feel the need to have a keyboard around. While the 2s is more for people who prefer to have a synth without the keyboard, and rather have a more in-depth sequencer instead. Both are useful live though, depending on how you approach synthesis live.
PraxisCat good point
I've been having so much fun with my 2S that I haven't even figured out how it really works yet! That's why I'm watching these videos. But in the end who really cares how it really works, the fun is in just patching and seeing what happens. The sequencer is an integral part of this experience, especially when you get into those mysterious Pressure n and Velocity tracks. I am very happy with this instrument so far, it's really stretching my mind.
I can imagine the vast possibilities with those machines... Use noise for analogic drums in the 2S and use the MB 2 for the rest (bass or lead).
If you have a MIDI keyboard or a CV/MIDI sequencer already then get the 2S. Then all the Minibrute 2 is is a 2S without a sequencer.
4:48 "Sweet dreams are made of these, who am I to disagree. I travel the world and the seven seas. Everybody's looking for something."
Nice! But indeed the sequence seem to got out of sync when changing playback direction?
What I missed: is it possible to mute steps with the buttons while a sequence is playing? Is it possible to switch ratchet of a step on/off with the buttons or just via the dial? Can patterns be selected quick with the buttons and afterwards beeing transposed again?
This is an 8 notes sequence over 16 steps.
So 2 steps per note, 1st one on the tick, 2nd on the off-beat
When switching to reverse, the 2nd is played first, so off-beat :)
You can mute 1 step just by disabling it (values for the step will be remembered you enable it back)
You can mute a whole track pressing Shift+Track
While a sequence is playing, pressing a pad, playing an arp or playing a MIDI note will mute the sequence temporarly
Ratchet is accessible only trough Shfit+Encoder on a Gate track
Pattern selection is quick: Load+Pad
Transpose is quick: Pad 16 + Any other pad
While you remain in the same bank, unsaved content in patterns is remembered (including transpose)
Great video, almost sold on the 2S, in relation to the time divisions, is it just that the Minibrute 2 has a knob for selection, are the additional divisions such as triplets possible with the 2S? also when you record on the Minibrute 2 can you change the sound of the instrument to play over it.
People complain about the size of the 2s, but it looks practically petite compared with the keyboard 2
I was quite disappointed with the MiniBrute 2S and returned it after having it for almost a month. The synth sounds quite nice. But then the build quality was very poor - at least on the unit I had... the feeling of the knobs and faders were not consistent... a few of the knobs actually touched the metal plate. The patch points were terrible. Some wobbled, while others were too tight (the TRS ones should be tighter than the TS ones, but in my case, it was random). And most importantly... it's huge! Way too big for what it does. There is no way I would take it to play live. In most clubs, you'd have no space left. Oh and also, I could almost never get the two oscillators in tune. The two white tuning knobs for the two oscillators felt different, worked different...
The really strong point with the 2S is the sequencer, I think. The fact that one can program LFOs and envelopes per step can result it quite interesting sounds and timbres when used in tandem with the patch bay.
My verdict would be:
- it is a good synth for sound design and studio production. Low end was pretty impressive. The patch bay allows some really creative patching options
- it has a very good sequencer. So good, that if they sold that separately as a Beat Step Pro 2 with separate cv outs (as well as MIDI) for all sequencable parameters, I'd consider getting one. Editing the sequencer is a bit tedious though, but then I did not spend enough time with it to learn it well.
- it could have been a good instrument for live improvisation if the build quality was good (and if it were smaller)
- it is way too big for what it does. I would not take it to a live gig unless it was the only synth I was playing.
- build quality, at least on my unit, was very poor.
- the patch bay is not sturdy and consistent enough for live patching, and can be frustrating even in the studio
I agree. I am surprised Arturia users so rarely mention the poor build. I turned down a cheap Drumbrute on basis of build, so plasticky and pads horrible.
@@TheChannelofaDisappointedMan the Beatstep Pro I had was quite well built, I must say. But then, nowadays, almost nothing is well built. Had to send my Octatrack MK2 twice to Sweden for manufacturing faults, and recently sent my less-than-a-year old Digitone (used almost only in the studio) for repairs. Had to return one Hydrasynth for the same reason. Also a Rubberneck delay pedal.
@AllYouKnowIsWrong The Hydrasynth I have now feels and weighs like a tank :) The first one probably had a loose connection inside.
And I have just ordered another Minibrute 2S after seeing it for much cheaper than what I originally paid for it. And my partner was in love with it anyway and was very happy that it's returning. She's started playing synths too :) The reason I purchased one is to complement one modular case with oscillators and the fantastic sequencer. I will not worry too much about the poor build, and maybe they have improved it in the past two years, who knows?
@AllYouKnowIsWrong well you'll probably be a very confused and overwhelmed musician in the next six months or so with so many new synths suddenly arriving ;)
didn't understand looping on 2s, also, can it input exput to other synth or keyboard
Can the mod wheel of an external midi keyboard be used through the patch points on a 2S?
Ismaël yes
Hello!
Does the Minibrute 2 has a HOLD function? Just to drone a note eternally.
The original Minibrute had this function in the back, next to the conections.
I see that the Minibrute 2 has HOLD for the arpegiator, but dont know about just 1 note drone.
The Micro brute has a trick were one could patch "gate out" to "gate in" in the back panel, and also do HOLD; maybe there is a similar way on the Minibrute 2.
Thanks! depending on this I buying one or not.
Yes, increasing Att 2 in its default connection.
Dear Arturia, please move the patchbay on the 2S to the left to satisfy my need for symmetry. Nice one, thanks.
Hey please help me- I’m trying to sync my mbrute2 and 2s with my dbrute impact and drumbrte. Both have a rackbrute with modules as well and I want to be able to have them all clock synced and able to write sequences at once.
Thank you for this video. It is just what I was looking for! Planning to get a 2S to use with my Beatstep Pro/Neutron/Model D. I think the Beatstep Pro would work best with the modules and the 2S sequencer just for the 2S.
Hi!! how can i connect a minilab mkII or another to my 2S?
Can you turn off the aftertouch on these? :)
I was going to buy the sequencer instead of the keys .cause I can't play.would you say it would be better for me. Or get the keys a have the key step and am used to sequencer. Basically I'm not loosing anything but the keys yea
Jason Daly it’s a matter of personal preference. Like I say in the video, if I had to choose, I would pick the 2S with the keystep
The pads on the S are velocity and pressure sensitive. Since you aren't a "piano player", just using the 16 pads and transpose buttons would be fine for you. Helps save on desktop real estate.
Hi and thanks!
One question: can you realtime or step rec the Minibrute 2S using the Keystep to insert notes instead of the 2S pads? (Of course, usong the 2S sequencer)
I'm guessing yes. The midi messages sent by the Keystep to indicate note/pitch/length etc. are the same as the internal keyboard. This is why MIDI usually works pretty much plug n play.
how did you get this model?
Would I get the same feel than a Minibrute 2S if I got the Minibrute 2 and a Beatstep Pro?
Hello, ive got one question. is it possible to route the mod whell of an external keyboard to the filter cutoff on the minibrute 2s? or the something like vibrato? THX!
Did you ever find out?
I'd like to know that too.
so... why would anyone want the regular minibrute 2 rather than the 2s? (assuming everyone owns a midi keyboard)
Oskar Lindberg No after touch, moreover the mod and pitch wheels are midi controllable
But there is "Pressure" controllable from the sequencer?
2S has no lfo retrig. Big change for me atleast.
Sidvs yes - the 2S has a sequencable pressure track with other mod types (see full clip for details)
i'll shut off the metronome so we don't hear that it will not be on time when we change the direction...or was it?
This is an 8 notes sequence over 16 steps.
So 2 steps per note, 1st one on the tick, 2nd on the off-beat
When switching to reverse, the 2nd is played first, so off-beat :)
yeah i hear that now :) too often this stuff do not work, so i jumped the gun too fast i guess. I hope the sequencer is tight.
Did they improve the aftertouch on the 2? The original was very stiff, basically on or off.
Mike Buchanan I don’t have the original MiniBrute so I can’t compare - they say the used the exact same keybed as the matrixbrute - other than to say it works, I’m not sure how to convey it via text - open to ideas. It’s definitely not on/off though
Same price.
can you use the sequenser on the 2S for external gear, and if you plug in a keyboard to it - can you use it for programming sequenses or is it just for "live use" ?? Great vid btw
Can i transfer these saved data/songs to my computer? Is there drums on this machine?
when you found a great sound, how do you store it? take a picture, write it down?
I prefer a video so you can hear it too, and explain any quirks, but mostly I just learn to record it if it's good and let it go
It’s way cheaper to add a midi keyboard to the 2s than a full featured sequencer to the 2. I’d know which one to get, tbh...
Can you play a sequence and use the MIDI at the same time on the 2S?
James B. Davis depends on how you configure it ... video coming soon
Damnit..... I was already playing with the idea of getting a Korg Minilogue and now this… Both are more or less in the same price segment. WHY do such decisions always have to be so hard? :(
KRAFTWERK2K6 same problem here...how did you decide?
I haven't yet. Still undecided. :(
KRAFTWERK2K6 I bought the drumbrute and I like it for 399€ it's worth...next stop....minibrute 2s
Easy solution: get both! But if you can only get one, it depends what you want out of a synth. If you need polyphony then go with the Minilogue. Otherwise the Minibrute 2 wins hands down. multimode filter, 2 oscillators like the Minilogue, up to 4 LFOs, a patch bay that's compatible with Eurorack modules if you ever decide to get any. I have both synths, but if I had to get rid of one, I'd definitely sell the Minilogue.
Wait, so there's no way to sequence triplets or doted notes in the S model?
The 2S is so much more impressive. It's actually a very powerful synth if you consider it can have 4 LFOs or 4 Envelopes. Impressive. There's a lot of duplication of function with the sequencer which might not be intuitive and it would have been nicer to have a decent screen. It's a nice budget price though so I wouldn't expect any more than it offers. Did you find it intuitive or you got used to it very quickly?
Yes, I think despite the apparent complexity it’s actually quite easy to use. I didn’t feel the lack of screen beyond what it has to be an issue
Can you use all of these sequencer features with external eurorack gear instead of the minibrute - sending out sequenced Pitch, LFOs and Envelopes to a eurorack vco and filter for example?
@@MadelnMachinesmine's on order but based on my research it can sequence at least two of the cv outs and send to external compatible gear and more if you're clever
Does anybody know if I could connect an Akai MPK249 to the Minibrute 2S through MIDI ?
Thanks = )
It can accept midi so no reason why not
MIDI is universal. You can connect it to a DX7 or a toy piano shaped like a cat or a Volca Kick if you wanted to...
..................is there free alkihol with the purchase? Seriously though, have you any word or tip off that Arturia are going to develop a drumbrute 2S? It would be great to have a drumbrute 2S with Rackbrute connections. You could in essence place a DFAM and SUBH in the rackbrute and whereas moogs rack system for mother 32, SubH and DFAM is slim, the Arturia Rackbrute would have space for additional modules. A rig where a drumbrute 2S would be the main concern would be a good addition. Any ideas if Arturia are going to develop this?
What would be better, 2S with a Keystep or 2 with Beat Step Pro?
Edgar E. Yáñez González depends - if you need to sequence a lot of drums - BSP, for me, keystep and 2S
Afghhhhhh which one I can’t decideee
And yes,
I bought the s model
I bought the 2S last week and had to return it as I couldn't find a fit for it in my set-up. It was totally my fault as the rest of my gear is all digital and I assumed I could just slide the 2S in for extra sound goodness.
Paul Mabley what is you set up then? Just wondering
How do you feel about the Mono Station vs the 2s???
Crap that’s a whole nother video... just watch both my reviews I guess - and get the one that speaks to you more
loopop thanks for responding!
What are the best cables to use for this beast?
Any patch cables will do, it comes with a few short ones
Hello and thank you for these demos, if I'm not mistaken the minibrute 2 lost his sub-oscillator? unless Oscillator 2 replaces it? in any case the progression of Arturia is the bomb, a DrumBrute 2 can be and also MatrixBrute 2 desktop version? ^^
the 2nd osc can act as a sub
you have lost 1/2 an adsr though
Thank you after information, this is good for the second Oscillator, an adsr in less alas yes
By the looks of it OS2 is basically the sub but with more options.
Video starts at 1:16
price difference?
Andrius Golemas Same RRP.
Same crappy filter? On paper the 2S can give a run for your money compare of what you get with Moog DFAM, since that one only has 8 step sequencer. But the sound and the build, it's not here from Arturia. This is supposed to be a analog synth and it sounds more like a another VST emulation. Where's the Rawness?
KeyBrute vs BeatBrute
Zu viele Optionen in dem S. Bis man das verstanden hat, hat man es nach zwei Wochen wieder vergessen und man startet erneut. Schade. Wollte mir den schon kaufen.
Your decision between them will depend on whether or not you own any Elektron gear! :D
The 2s looks cumbersome to use. Can you playback the 2 "tracks" simultaneously? I didnt see that in this video. I assume you can otherwise they're not a true seperate "tracks". And wouldnt it have been nicer if Arturia just added say, 4 seperate "track" buttons? Then allow you to create 4 seperate sequences, and playback all 4 tracks or mute any of them? This is what the Roland JDXI does, but obviously doesnt have all the other features this has. I like the patch bay but I dont like the functional implementation of that sequencer.
supercommando440 please check out my review of the 2S. I explain it in detail. It would be true to say 4 tracks - there are two mod tracks and a synchronized pitch and gate track (so 4 but really 3)
Does this unit has preset sounds ? Such as drum kits and different synths ?
Cult Snarez no, you have to create them from scratch yourself every time. You get a booklet with some sample patches, but obviously that’s not really saving patches
loopop Thanks for the quick reply! Ok,Thank you.
www.arturia.com/minibrute-2s/overview
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sync them together lets hear?..why doees people not sync them togethernobody!
Enough with the glide already
Hook up a midi keyboard to the 2s no brainer.
Are they polyphon?
no, but with some tricks I show in another video on the channel you can sort of fake it
@@loopop Ah nice !!
The minbrute 2s was made 36 years to late. I like the minbrute 2 though I'll buy that
Do you own a Keystep? No? Then you're wrong. Buy one now.
Now the 2S is superior in every way.
But how???
2S: too much thinking. I’m just not smart enough to sweep all that into my head. If I want to plan my music to this extent, I’ll use Ableton.
great. but the patch was a poor choice to demo with. my ears hurt.
microbrute sounds fatter to me...the microbrute is a classic ..this is a clone of the mini and too me does not sound as good maybe its just me
. time for a new line lol
i'll stick to my sh101...
I seriously hate what Arturia is doing here; milking their product line... They should've put a KEYBOARD on the 2s, or, put a nicer sequencer on the 2. But yeah, they want our money... so if you want both get a matrixBrute... oh but wait... probably missing something on that, which is included in the mini 2 or 2s.
supercommando440 a combined machine would have been a monster for sure, but if you get a keystep with the 2S you’re not missing that much
loopop Seriously, arturia shouldve at least put 8 or 16 dedicated light-up sequencer buttons on the brute 2. Korg, Roland... they include sequencer buttons and a keyboard. I dont get Arturia.
supercommando440 the new Prologue doesn’t have a sequencer - far be it from me to try and assume design decisions... keystep is a really powerful midi keyboard from Arturia
loopop a monster? Maybe... with a keystep, I'd choose the 2s but that sequencer. Is it truely 2 tracks? Ie can you create 2 completely different sequences and play both back at same time, and mute either? It seems like the 2 tracks you described is more of a "trick" to make it record a 2nd track but I didnt see you playem both back simultaneously, which would be a true multi-track feature.
Like listening to a ear fatiqing toy. Maybe you could have used some nice sounds. So I can not help to feel the opposite of your excitement. More like aahhh, run away.
annoying too much talking with the hands
Still sound like Minibrute...boring
Not as boring as your comment. What would you expect it to sound like? A Waldorf Wave?
The sound of the 2S will inevitably more evolutionary timbres given the possibilities, I have a minibrute and frankly nothing that this one is particularly effective in timbre we already get a good diversity of sound, I had paired from the outset with a rocket input that sounds great and rich ^^
I thought it was boring until I learned how to synthesize, too
minibrute doesnt have a patch bay
I have minibrute for years:) Ms 20 sound better:)