I went to a Nguni Stud Breeder!

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  • @setsomokoti2881
    @setsomokoti2881 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    One thing about cattle they can drive you crazy. 🤣🤣 The cattle look great. One thing about cattle thy are tough, last year my place burnt down and those cows held strong and calved. I was shocked seeing them this year gaining weight on a depleted camp. Im waiting for my calves from October 15th. Really enjoy this channel

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Thanks! Yes, as soon as I think I have it figured out - then something new comes along!
      Thanks for the support!

    • @HAMUTIMAT2
      @HAMUTIMAT2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Our late Father was advised to keep farming with Nguni's & just get excellent Nguni bulls, He ignored the advice & we're suffering the consequences of that decision, We had Brahman, Limousines, Santa, Boran, simmentaler, Simbra & now we have finally had to settle with Bonsmara bulls with cross breeds, our Nguni's are gone.😢😢😢 We now spend thousands on fodder, supplements & vaccines.
      We can't sell throughout the year due to body conditions.

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm sitting with a similar situation with our local communal herd. I'm trying to mentor the owners who have larger breeds not doing very well - 30% calving rates at great expense! Unfortunately they are quite stubborn and insist on farming with "expensive" breeds. But slowly I'm starting to get through to them.

    • @lutte2364
      @lutte2364 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Vos bêtes sont en très bon état sanitaire et bien nourries. Mais que mangent-elles ?? Je ne vois aucune herbes dans ces enclos. Vont-elles sur des pâturages ? Où leur apportez-vous une autre alimentation ??

  • @patsonmarime1875
    @patsonmarime1875 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    This is amazing. I now love nguni cattle.

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน

      They are good animals!

  • @felanimasilela2025
    @felanimasilela2025 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Wow! Speechless Shane. This breed is unbelievable. Very impressive and thank you so much for sharing.

  • @jacobwolki5138
    @jacobwolki5138 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Great video, really enjoyed getting to view this herd!

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks. The camera doesn't do justice to how these animals REALLY look!

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks! The camera doesn't do them justice!

  • @qwalaselatshaka7151
    @qwalaselatshaka7151 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Thank you for blessing us with this information Mr Shane, we learning a lot from you🙏🏾

  • @finbarrdinneen3430
    @finbarrdinneen3430 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    That is a great herd of cows. A great place to buy the foundation of some of your own herd

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Thanks. Yes they are tough, hardy animals. I'm actually thinking of registering as a stud breeder since I bought 2 on tge auction - but came back with 5 heifers and s bull!

  • @_abstractions
    @_abstractions หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great content, very educational. My brother and I are doing research and you are exactly what we needed. I subscribed!

  • @brendandooka4205
    @brendandooka4205 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Been doing my homework on the polled Nguni cattle
    Trust from your giving information I see a true game changer for the Nguni breed with its polled genetic values (I was wowed too see polled Nguni cattle) I love how hardy they are n I truly belive they will add some desirable treats for beef producers looking to keep the indigenous breeds at tope value for money ♥️♥️♥️🤞🏽🤞🏽🤞🏽🤞🏽🤞🏽 I'll for ever be a hawk to your project for I see deep value in your products

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi Brendan,
      I certainly think there is an opportunity here. Not just with the polled but the breed in general. One just has to find the winning recipe 👍

  • @sibusisonyuswa9880
    @sibusisonyuswa9880 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I can not believe they look so healthy without any green grass of feeds...i wish i can visit and stay with them about month to witness this greatness

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      It's amazing how well they do, even in a drought!

  • @KaraboMontjane-q8t
    @KaraboMontjane-q8t หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Nguni cattle went through natural selection over years hence they are adapted to harsh conditions. If you want farm with hardy cattle go for Nguni, their fertility is superb 🤞🤞

  • @kennethball2796
    @kennethball2796 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Awesome and Amen. Nguni a Premiere Indigenous breed.

    • @ntsikandamase
      @ntsikandamase หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Your herds are amazing as well boet

  • @mpeHatchery
    @mpeHatchery หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    These are amazing cows, impressive indeed. What would you expect if you breed Nguni and Boran? I'm just wondering.

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hi,
      There are some that cross them - called Borguni.
      I think there is a lot of potential in this cross. Eventually I will bring in some boran yo put on mine.
      Thanks for the comment!

  • @calgal5752
    @calgal5752 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It always amazes me how they can find enough to live on…

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They are an amazing breed!

  • @ralphdorfling4628
    @ralphdorfling4628 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Well adapted cattle indeed. However, when it comes to marketing of wheeners at age 7 months, Nguni calves are still small and are mostly way under desired mass, compared to also well adapted cross breeds.

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hi Ralph,
      You are perfectly correct! They do wean lighter calves and selling them pure can be a challenge.
      However some farmers are crossing them with exotic bulls. That way you have all the advantages of the pure nguni cow, while having a heavier, more marketable calf. Some farmers are weaning around 220kg of these crosses at 8 months of age. Because the cows maintain body condition, and the nguni changes it's teeth at a slightly older age - one can wean them a little bit older and gain more weaning mass.

  • @brendandooka4205
    @brendandooka4205 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    All I can say is WOW
    Plus it's the first polled Nguni herd that I've seen without cross interference
    But wow Amazing animals at first I thought they where Bora type cows👌👌👌👌👌
    Would love to get some commercial animals from that herd an put a mashona bull to them

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I wasn't planning on buying any ngunis - yet. But when I saw the auction catalogue two red heifers caught my eye and I knew I just had to have them.
      Well I came back with 5 heifers and a bull 🤦‍♂️🤣🤣🤣

  • @wenatahakwano3718
    @wenatahakwano3718 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    we have thousands of angonis here i zambia western province. It's the original breed around here. but one thing is the pure angoni dont have such body types of boran or barhman. i think here the angoni was once crossed with other exotic breads to make these type of animals with such bodies.

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I think it's the environment that selected the correct body type naturally.
      There is a reason why the angonis outproduce other breeds under your conditions - it's because they are adapted.
      Even our nguni ecotypes differe a little in shape and size.

  • @normanwermann2970
    @normanwermann2970 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I went for livestock management training a few years ago(around 10) and we asked about the Nguni and why they are not as common in Namibia as the other breeds. The instructor told us, not allot of farmers or feedlots are interested in buying the small frame Nguni. When ever buyers see the polka dot hides at auctions, they turn a blind eye. Thus selling it would be a bit of an issue and since its a small frame breed you will not get allot of money selling it.
    But, as mentioned in the video, this breed is tough, has a thick hide and is not prone to parasites like other breeds. It really does not need allot of maintenance thus i believe it to be the best for communal farming and even commercial especially where grass and water is scarce, like most parts here in Namibia. I think people should stop the idea of farming with exotic big breeds where they spend allot of money annually on maintenance and cattle dying during drought, and consider farming with local small to medium sized breeds. I dont really know what happened in the market during last 10 years, but we really need a market for small local breeds. If there is, then WELL DONE!!!

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hi Norman, thanks for the comment!
      Yes, unfortunately selling the calves can be challenging at times. However I believe that these indigenous animals offer tremendous opportunities to commercial farmers.
      You don't need to keep them pure. Your cow is your calf factory and if you base your cows on the nguni breed, while crossing with Sussex, Bonsmara or even Brangus bulls - you can still get the best of both worlds!
      Even if you get paid less for your calves, the sheer kg/ha that you can produce makes up for that.
      Then there is also the option of doing a long weaner system - or finishing off grass.
      But these animals are unfortunately overlooked and scoffed at when they have so much to offer!

    • @normanwermann2970
      @normanwermann2970 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@shanecotty3275 I saw your other video (How to farm profitably with cattle) and based on that video and this, i believe the Nguni would be ideal to farm with, mixed with other medium sized bulls as you just stated. Especially during these times where we are faced with drought.

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's correct. Even if you use nguni cows with a terminal bull eg sussex you will still be better off - in my opinion.

    • @normanwermann2970
      @normanwermann2970 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@shanecotty3275 I agree

  • @moonchildunsainted
    @moonchildunsainted หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good vid again. im a subscriber from Botswana. In Botswana we seem to have lost most of our Tswana cattle breed, we failed to save them. right now there's a government owned facility with Tswana bull semen, we can see how those bulls looked like, they look much like the Nguni you showed here, its unlike the tswana you see when you go out in the country to the farms, even with colour, the old Tswana in the pics and old videos looks like your Nguni, but now its a bit different. and there is just a handful of those bulls for which we saved the semen. If i wanted to breed pure Tswana i would have a very limited pool of genetics.
    to add to it, we have now as a country imported foreign cattle breeds to increase our national herd, so Tswana really is going to be a thing of the past, maybe the government will have pure Tswana in a single farm, but i dont think you can go to a farmer out here and find pure Tswana

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's a pity that people don't realise the value of these indigenous breeds. They formed over time, selected by nature to be the best animals for our conditions.
      Unfortunately man always thinks he knows better.

  • @hassanBinMoshi
    @hassanBinMoshi หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would be interested in buying some animals from you or this breeder! They look great

  • @BeyonInc
    @BeyonInc 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Im in love these cows are wooow😮🎉

  • @LindelwaMkizwana-cz9js
    @LindelwaMkizwana-cz9js หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hai Mr I'm in the Eastern Cape at Hewu district around Queenstown are you cattle can be good for my area because it's also a dry area in winter.

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Google Nandi Ngunis, I think that they are around your area.

  • @ngurunguzahaironga6322
    @ngurunguzahaironga6322 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is good for us who want to farm with nguni cattle. What type of salt lik did he give his cattle.

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi, they usually give licks based on the season. Protein licks for the winter and phosfate licks in the summer.
      Of course, if there's drought then they may add energy/maize to the lick.

  • @segamogotlha5290
    @segamogotlha5290 หลายเดือนก่อน

    *AFTER WATCHING TO YOUR CONTENT, I'M NOW A SUBSCRIBER FOR MORE UPDATES ABOUT THIS MARVELOUS KIND OF CATTLE BREED!!*

  • @afriquelesud
    @afriquelesud หลายเดือนก่อน

    As for meat production, the most kg/ha. Indigenous livestock is the way to go. I have always loved the Sangunu/Nguni cattle breeds. Damara cows, I think, are also in the Sanguni family.

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I agree! It's a pity these animals are looked down as I think they have so much to offer! Not only kg/ha, but also minimal inputs, minimal chemicals required and the ability to finish off grass and produce a top class, healthy product.
      To me it's the logicsl choice!

  • @siyabongamasikane3180
    @siyabongamasikane3180 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Shane, correct me if I'm wrong I'm also learning. This bull look more like a Mashona more than a Nguni.

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hi Siyabonga,
      Mashonas are black in colour, shorter on the leg but more compactly built. They look a little different tp this bull.

  • @tebogobareng3200
    @tebogobareng3200 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great animals wow am impressed …..I however fail to understand how those animals are that good with no feed but well done to the Owner and congratulations on your heifer acquisition. Is he not selling any of those young Nguni bull calves I am willing to buy one immediately if he is selling

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน

      They actually browsing - which means they eating tree leaves, young branches and of course the natural bushes and dhrubs that grow in tge area.

  • @rotoalma7823
    @rotoalma7823 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wonderful bread

  • @segamogotlha5290
    @segamogotlha5290 หลายเดือนก่อน

    *HELLO SIR, THANK YOU FOR SHARING AND THE EDUCATIONAL INFORMATION. I AM FROM BOTSWANA AND I AM IMPRESSED TO HAVE WATCHED AND SEED HOW THE COWS ARE HEALTHY DESPITE THE DROUGHT. I'M IN FOR IT FOR THE NGUNI CATTLE. HOW DO I GET YOUR CONTACTS IF ONE WANTS TO BUY. //THANK YOU SIR!!*

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi Segamo,
      Unfortunately I'm not selling any. I have too few.
      But go to the Nguni web page and you will gey contact details.
      Thanks for the kind comments!

  • @sandilekubeka8375
    @sandilekubeka8375 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wow 🎉😮

  • @kanyereuben4743
    @kanyereuben4743 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    But how do they survive? where are the feeds? be honest!!

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      They survive by eating leaves from the trees, some bushes that grow in that area and the little bit of grass further out in the camp. Strue!

  • @munyazamunyaza5005
    @munyazamunyaza5005 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Can you please do a video on mashona please 🇳🇦

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน

      As soon as I can find a herd to record I'll do so 👍.

  • @true5188
    @true5188 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How many hectare per animal. Whos buying them for meat . Animals get breed for different areas. and purposes. They are adapted in those area . How big is this herd.

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not sure. I know he had a breeding herd of 300 before the fire. He had to sell quite a few off afterwards.

  • @FanyanaHadebe
    @FanyanaHadebe หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can you please do a video about cattle on this snowy weather

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The snow is too far from here!

  • @jackholman5008
    @jackholman5008 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video,know any mashona stud breeders?

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I know OF some stud breeders - but tge guys seem to be quite secretive.

    • @ignitiusmabusela7128
      @ignitiusmabusela7128 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@shanecotty3275I have also come to the same realisation I wonder what they are trying to gate-keep. All respond by saying I am not selling any of my cattle I’m busy building my heard.

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Pretty much what I have heard as well. Realistically I think it's probably the case. We might have to wait a few years for animals to become available.

  • @TheAfricanantkeeper
    @TheAfricanantkeeper หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video 🩵

  • @Newfarm.
    @Newfarm. หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi my brother I used to watch your video about nguni cattle and I like it and I am here in Limp0mpo how to get these animals my name is Mashige

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi Mashige,
      Google Nguni Breeders Society. They have a breeders list on their website.
      You'll find your closest breeder on there.

    • @sibusisonyuswa9880
      @sibusisonyuswa9880 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It means stone licks is Best thing to go for than buying feeds🤔🤔

  • @siyakadikwayo3107
    @siyakadikwayo3107 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I'm learning a lot from this channel - Dankie! Quick question - what is a stud breeder?

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      A stud breeder breeds pure animals of a specific breed. So their main job is to keep a breed pure and up to the breed society standards.

    • @siyakadikwayo3107
      @siyakadikwayo3107 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you.

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@siyakadikwayo3107 My pleasure.

  • @qhudeni-i2y
    @qhudeni-i2y หลายเดือนก่อน

    Which area of Northern Cape is this ?

  • @walterlebzax9585
    @walterlebzax9585 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nguni with no horns? I think they're mixed with Brahman or boran.

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Not at all. Polled ngunis occur naturally.

  • @ThembaMthimkhulu-gn6ow
    @ThembaMthimkhulu-gn6ow 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    do we have spanish bulls in mzansi

  • @SongezileJilimane-nr6jz
    @SongezileJilimane-nr6jz หลายเดือนก่อน

    Which area I can find them in south africa

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Go to the Breed Society page on google - you will find a list of all the breeders.

  • @BuaMolime
    @BuaMolime หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good characteristics within nguni and Brahman breed

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน

      True, however the australians and americans seem to think that the brahman produces tough meat?

  • @siphesihlemfeka4794
    @siphesihlemfeka4794 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What is the name of this farm and the address plz

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hi, unfortunately I make it a point not to give out personal info on social media - but you can search up the breeders on the Breeders Society page on the net.

  • @ntsikandamase
    @ntsikandamase หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Farmers disney land Oom Shane🎉😂

  • @Newfarm.
    @Newfarm. หลายเดือนก่อน

    The condition are so bad but the cows are very good there is no grass I really don't know how they survive in that condition

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi Mashige,
      They were browsing on the trees - eating the leaves. There are some shrubs and a small amount of grass further away - but I think the trees were the main source of feed.

  • @Msk1690
    @Msk1690 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Would love to get this breed to cross them with my local ones.

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน

      What local breeds do you have?

    • @Msk1690
      @Msk1690 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@shanecotty3275 Kenyan borana

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Boran is a very good breed! I agree that a cross would work.
      Can't you get any mashona cattle?

  • @MzangwaCalvinMali
    @MzangwaCalvinMali หลายเดือนก่อน

    Zinhle inkomo zesintu ezi ziyahamba yonke indawo zomelele futhi

  • @SongezileJilimane-nr6jz
    @SongezileJilimane-nr6jz หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where can I find this nguni cow's

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Search the breed on fb, then you'll see when the next auction takes place.

  • @LaryCharles
    @LaryCharles หลายเดือนก่อน

    What is the origin of this breed?
    They look hardy and disease resistant.

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They are one of the breeds that are indigenous to South Africa. They are hardy and disease resistant.

    • @LaryCharles
      @LaryCharles หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@shanecotty3275 Can you estimate the weight of them? Especially the mature market weight for bulls?

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Market weight for steers would be around 500 - 550kg. Mature cows weigh between 350 - 450kg.

    • @LaryCharles
      @LaryCharles หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@shanecotty3275 how can this breed be exported to the Caribbean? To Antigua 🇦🇬 to be specific; whether live or semen?

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sorry, just saw your comment.
      Google the Nguni Stud breeders society and make contact with them. I know that embryos and semen was exported to Australia some years back - so I'm pretty sure that they could help you out.
      Let me know if you don't come right and I'll see if I can help!

  • @brendandooka4205
    @brendandooka4205 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What's the stud name of you don't mind giving

  • @samorabeda5701
    @samorabeda5701 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How can I get this in Tanzania

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Don't know. Maybe try contacting the Breed Society. But you should have access to boran cattle in your area?

    • @samorabeda5701
      @samorabeda5701 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@shanecotty3275 we don't have breed society here

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน

      You must contact the Breed Society in South Aftica. They should be able to tell you if animals are being exported or not.

  • @Land-f7q
    @Land-f7q หลายเดือนก่อน

    Look up the criollo cattle

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I am actually aware of the criollo breed - although I don't know much about them. They would technically be very similar to our Ngunis in terms of hardiness adaptability etc. I think they were developed in a much drier climate though?

  • @dr.changezdentalhospital8301
    @dr.changezdentalhospital8301 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I will like to add a local Pakistani breed in desert who also live on minimum greesing available is called cholistani cow and bull please have a look through google or TH-cam please

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks, I'll have a look.

  • @SavutaFarms
    @SavutaFarms วันที่ผ่านมา

    No supplement, don't believe this😮

  • @AmiinMahamud-y7o
    @AmiinMahamud-y7o หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is not pure inguni there is bonsmara blood in this animal

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  หลายเดือนก่อน

      He is a registered stud breeder. They do DNA testing on all the animals.

  • @simphiweraymondmajola375
    @simphiweraymondmajola375 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Had these at home when I grew up hence I still go buy my milk at the farm...I can`t eat processed milk at all...very beautiful herd for sure

  • @tobiasshimpanda6632
    @tobiasshimpanda6632 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Watching from Namibia i love ur video but those are not 100 % nguni breeds an i dnt thnk u telling the truth by sain u dnt feed them specially the hearfers

    • @shanecotty3275
      @shanecotty3275  15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hi Tobias,
      I'm sorry to hear that you doubt my integrity.
      It's interesting seeing that he is a registered stud breeder, the animals are registered with the breed society and I would think they have all been DNA recorded. So why do you say they are not 100%?
      Secondly, go check out Kenneth Ball on youtube. His latest video shows how well HIS animals are doing without supplemented feed.