Putting the items into a central storage location gets more complicated and difficult. For a fast farm, where you have to repeat filter/loader modules anyway, this is no issue. Just split the storage system in two. And for slower farms you don't need this upgrade, just use ilmango's 2-wide concept instead, where each minecart track has a hairpin
@@Sea_Leon You could, off the top of my head, bounce all the items into a central point where they drop down to a piston conveyor system that pushes them along, then into the usual bounce over hoppers or whatever storage solution you have.
For a while it felt like minecraft was converging into a bunch of "best" solutions where every type of farm had 1 best design and it was for the best to just use that unless you're a super techical and could design a better one that could generate slightly better. Now it feels like things are expanding again. There's new ways to do things and more interesting concepts that feel and look fun. Also a lot of wiggle room for things to improve.
This would go really well with the stack separating and sorting stuff that was going on a while ago, e.g. Rapscallion did some videos about it. At the time it wasn't overly useful but with the hopper minecart destruction unloaders you can get tons of stacks in a really short amount of time so being able to sort them could be really useful!
In my opinion, Mojang should do a complete overhaul of the rail placement mechanics. Some configurations of rail are even impossible. It actually happened to me that I wanted powered rails to be configured in a certain way, which turned out to be impossible (it was directional)
One way to get around the nether issues is to have the unloading on the overworld side of a portal, since it's a new entity the new minecart won't have portal cooldown issues, the nether side rail has to be slow enough to get the minecart out of cooldown.
This I want to see, a multi dimensional unloading system. Maybe even an end based one, so you just throw hopper minecarts into an end portal from anywhere and they get sorted?
@@ChiefArug end based is super difficult, so unless mojang allows ender pearls to be used as some sort of fuel (eg for a chunkloader or beacon) I heavily doubt anyone could feasibly use the end or end portal as anything other than a quick way home.
I really like the new possibilities with hopper minecarts. Because more minecarts and more unloading stations cause more lag, there is never a good one-size-fits-all item collection system.
And ... I'm upgrading my wither wood farm with this x) Also if it exceed the hopper limit you can always extract from the hopper to hopper minecart and extend this way An other alternative would be putting half of the rails 2 blocs lower and have all the items dropping at the same height under (I love the single place unloading because its so much cheaper on crystals or heads and its very elegant )
Maybe it could be made "1 block tileable" if you would variate the height between tiles. (1 a block higher or lower, maybe even 2 blocks lower.) I think that could be feasible.
The cart yeeter by Methodz and 2no2name is the perfect thing for the nether since It doest use the minecart snapping on rail mechanic. That way the items don't land on any rail supporting block. Attaching a redispensing system to it was super easy. In order to bring the items to a single spot I just used a Piston conveyor. In my opinion this is the perfect 1 wide tileable cartyeeter for the nether.
For anyone wondering why he used a mud block on top of a hopper line for the rail the Minecraft snaps to, instead of putting the rail directly on the hopper: if you do that (I tried it) sometimes the Minecraft will go into the wrong hopper (weirdly this is highly dependent on where you built it, sometimes it's fine, and sometimes it only stops working after you unload then reload the chunks) I did find though (in my limited testing, but it's yet to break for me over a couple hundred tests) you can fix this by using a detector rail as the rail it snaps to. I assume it's because the hopper item drops on the boundary of the two hoppers, but by locking one briefly it falls into the right one. This'll slightly lower the speed of the hopper line, but it's more than fast enough for the farm I was using it for
One potential way around the tileable rail issue when moving them back and forth with pistons would also be to simply have every other minecraft unloader on the opposite side. So the first unloader would be on the right side and the second would be on the left side, so on and so forth. From there it would just be the matter of gathering the items up and all together, but I don't know how much faster or elegant that solution would even be. It's a thought either way.
You could also build these 1-wide systems on different sides, alternating with each row. The only negative is that they theoretically could interrupt each other's pathing via hitboxes.
I like the idea of the collecting the minecards in a single place and redistributing them, maybe there is a simpler way than what you have shown in the video
For mine where I needed something slightly faster than hopper speed, I just used a glitched hopper minecart in a block under the rail. That gave enough of a buffer to allow the hopper minecart to go back on it's rounds.
could you use the instant update dispensers trick in place of the water streams? maybe just have hoppers on each dispenser or dropper to catch the items? I am sure there is a reason you did not do this, but thought it may be worth mentioning.
You can easily make floating rails with headless pistons. Then the items fall straight down, where you can then merge together with piston conveyor belts. You just have to be careful to never update the rails.
I was messing with this lava caldren too. 2 things, slower carts makes the dropped item drop more central (I didn't test %) Also cactus seems to work better but it's larger and ugly
I really like the concept of leaving the items inside the minecarts for most of the time. However, what kind of stuff has to be build in the Nether that wouldn't be better of beeing build in the overworld? I don't think the list of Nether exlusive farms, that require such kind of collection is somewhat short. And then it is probably best to design something very specific for the specific farm. Most of the time I have actually just moved required storage tech to the Overworld side. It's just so much easier and often benefecial for other reasons too
@@TammonOG Since I am playing with autocrafting, I never had to approach them in the vanilla way. But I think they aren't too bad. One could either use normal hopper lines and scale the modules per line in accordance to their productivity and then build multiple of those modules, that each produde
With the first system (5:00) if you could somehow reverse the lane assignment system, or produce something similar on the other side you could create a continuous stream of mine carts where each cart has to travel the same length. That would remove a need to cycle the system. I think this would increase the item collection rate a little.
You could use another hopper minecart under the muss block and then put 4 hopper under the minecart. So 4 hopper and the hopper minecart in the middle of those 4 hopper
Could you do a video, if you haven't already, about how to implement that minecart deserializer using the mud blocks? It looked like you were pushing rails?
Idk if it would work, but maybe instead of moving the block and the rail on the first design you could use trapdoors and open them instead of retracting the piston. And then using a single Minecart lane to pick up all the items to a centralized storage
ilmango i might have an idea for an future video, what if you make like a tunnelbore but stacked on one another so you can make a perimeter from the side?
This nether setup is fast but not fast enough. I'm thinking about sending hopper minecart from one end to the other side where the amethyst cluster is. In every 2 seconds or so. Which could pick up faster my items and maximise the conveyor belt 2 second item procession speed.
I just spent days fixing problems on mine for a nether only ghast farm 😅. I think I found a bug that soul sand has light level 0 4 blocks below light sources... I was starting to run out of redstone resources so didn't end up doing a single dump area. Having the single rail didn't work for me since there is a chance it would pick up one of the top minecarts when breaking in the cauldron. It happened enough that I scraped that design but your version looks like it fixes that problem. I think detecting the top hopper minecart in the dropper to dispense another minecart to be sent might be simplier.
I have an idea. Could you make a 2 wide track of rails one side going away and the other side coming back and then have the minecart unloader at one side and dispense the minecart on the other side( maybe multiple ) to pick up items faster and let minecarts go faster?
I have not tested it, but couldn't we replace the block below the rail with a slime block and place a second rail where the top piston head is, then move both using the slime/honey block. Might be directional though. The main issue I could see coming is that items might stick to the honey blocks. Unless there is some mechanics preventing rails from being moved with a slime block below.
Can water bottle dispensers in a row creating a stream in a split second, then have that water taken in by a system that recirculated it back into the bottle dispensers. Is that possible in the nether?
For the 1 wide, tillable issue, couldn't you just slightly stagger the unloaders? (Meaning if you want to tile in the X direction, stagger every other unloader by a couple blocks in Y.) I realize that isn't as aesthetic or space efficient, but I think it would work?
You can send the minecrarts to the overworld, unload them there, bring them back to the other side of the portal, quickly break them to refresh the 5 minutes cooldown, and repeat I used this kind of system for a gold farm and it turned out pretty good.🥴
Doesn't it make more sense to send the hopper minecarts to the overworld, unload the items there and then send the hopper minecart back? You could just put the items into storage in the overworld. If you want you could also send the items back to the nether. Did you consider this?
for the problem at 2:20, can't you just put a little line of rail "under" the cauldron, so that the other rails that are not moving are "locked" and the moving rail snap in the right place ?
This vid is osm, BUT I got a question - how can only 2 hoppers for the chest to store bamboo keep up with the speed of this many minecarts from this large bamboo farm?
I wonder can we make a goat horn farm using trip wires and pistons??? Like when goats charge to the player it somehow activate a signal using tripwires or pressure plates and activates a piston or double piston where the player is lifted up and the goat hits the wall?? Just wanted to share this idea
I was thinking chest boats could be useful. I know you've done a video about how quickly they can be loaded/unloaded due to the hitbox, and I recall a certain Hermitcraft episode where Doc showed a piston-bolt using a boat. I don't know have a good idea on how the hopper input/output to the boat would be set up to fully research it's viability.
Can anyone tell me why I'm losing items? I threw an entire inventory of iron blocks to be sorted, but the amount of stacks keep decreasing. I tested this in a creative world and sure enough I would lose a few stacks at a time. I threw a whole inventory of blocks and it came out with only 14 stacks. I threw it again and it came back with only 9 stacks and it keeps decreasing from there.
With the first model of the minecart hopper quick dispense, whenever the cart reaches the crystal it doesn't break but instead somehow goes to the rail at the water pipe, anyone know a fix?
Do you think a rail-equivalent of honey blocks would be a healthy feature for the game? perhaps copper rails to give that resource more value? I feel it wouldn't be unnatural to have in the game because it's simply an alternative way to get the same thing, until you start getting technical with it.
Yeah those design are less consistent on bedrock because the minecart sometimes get deleted or it hand up in the same place as the items it contained. But it seems that other design could work.
@@DigDig_1999 I'm a redstone man and I've already looked on minecart yeeters (as they are called) and what I was talking about was the ilmango's design with 1 or 2 blocks change to make it work. One thing at least you need to remember is that if it ever is made reliable on bedrock edition it won't look like ilmango's one at all.
What if you move the rails in another rythm? So you first move all odd rails and then all even rails. If you move them in the same tick, they should not connect
No for several reasons. The mud block is a full block on bedrock edition, the minecart has to be halfway in the cauldron to break, items can be deleted… The design needs to be fully revisited if you want it to work
Another alternative for the 1-wides would be to have unloading stations at both ends of the farm, then alternate orientation between each lane.
Still have the issue of getting items too one spot where now you have too get them from both sides.
Putting the items into a central storage location gets more complicated and difficult.
For a fast farm, where you have to repeat filter/loader modules anyway, this is no issue. Just split the storage system in two.
And for slower farms you don't need this upgrade, just use ilmango's 2-wide concept instead, where each minecart track has a hairpin
@@Sea_Leon You could, off the top of my head, bounce all the items into a central point where they drop down to a piston conveyor system that pushes them along, then into the usual bounce over hoppers or whatever storage solution you have.
Good solution
For a while it felt like minecraft was converging into a bunch of "best" solutions where every type of farm had 1 best design and it was for the best to just use that unless you're a super techical and could design a better one that could generate slightly better.
Now it feels like things are expanding again. There's new ways to do things and more interesting concepts that feel and look fun. Also a lot of wiggle room for things to improve.
This would go really well with the stack separating and sorting stuff that was going on a while ago, e.g. Rapscallion did some videos about it. At the time it wasn't overly useful but with the hopper minecart destruction unloaders you can get tons of stacks in a really short amount of time so being able to sort them could be really useful!
In my opinion, Mojang should do a complete overhaul of the rail placement mechanics. Some configurations of rail are even impossible. It actually happened to me that I wanted powered rails to be configured in a certain way, which turned out to be impossible (it was directional)
One way to get around the nether issues is to have the unloading on the overworld side of a portal, since it's a new entity the new minecart won't have portal cooldown issues, the nether side rail has to be slow enough to get the minecart out of cooldown.
This I want to see, a multi dimensional unloading system.
Maybe even an end based one, so you just throw hopper minecarts into an end portal from anywhere and they get sorted?
@@ChiefArug end based is super difficult, so unless mojang allows ender pearls to be used as some sort of fuel (eg for a chunkloader or beacon) I heavily doubt anyone could feasibly use the end or end portal as anything other than a quick way home.
I really like the new possibilities with hopper minecarts. Because more minecarts and more unloading stations cause more lag, there is never a good one-size-fits-all item collection system.
Me an intellectual: replace water with lava😎
At least itll work for an ancient debris farm lol
@@JustJum debris farm? Lol
Non netherite items will burn up
@@aaalvar00 yes, just throw a shulker box of netherite into lava and the farm starts
@@JustJum oh, i was thinking of a quarry
If only it was possible to put rails on top of powder snow that might have been an alternative
You can make floating rails with headless pistons. So you don't need the powered snow.
And ... I'm upgrading my wither wood farm with this x)
Also if it exceed the hopper limit you can always extract from the hopper to hopper minecart and extend this way
An other alternative would be putting half of the rails 2 blocs lower and have all the items dropping at the same height under
(I love the single place unloading because its so much cheaper on crystals or heads and its very elegant )
Maybe it could be made "1 block tileable" if you would variate the height between tiles. (1 a block higher or lower, maybe even 2 blocks lower.) I think that could be feasible.
you'd have to do 2 as they'll connect
The cart yeeter by Methodz and 2no2name is the perfect thing for the nether since It doest use the minecart snapping on rail mechanic. That way the items don't land on any rail supporting block. Attaching a redispensing system to it was super easy. In order to bring the items to a single spot I just used a Piston conveyor. In my opinion this is the perfect 1 wide tileable cartyeeter for the nether.
can you provide a link to that?
For anyone wondering why he used a mud block on top of a hopper line for the rail the Minecraft snaps to, instead of putting the rail directly on the hopper: if you do that (I tried it) sometimes the Minecraft will go into the wrong hopper (weirdly this is highly dependent on where you built it, sometimes it's fine, and sometimes it only stops working after you unload then reload the chunks)
I did find though (in my limited testing, but it's yet to break for me over a couple hundred tests) you can fix this by using a detector rail as the rail it snaps to. I assume it's because the hopper item drops on the boundary of the two hoppers, but by locking one briefly it falls into the right one. This'll slightly lower the speed of the hopper line, but it's more than fast enough for the farm I was using it for
Is there a video about this that I could watch?
4:12 this is the most satisfying array of minecarts i've seen so far I might try it out just for how satisfying it looks alone
6:21 "which in MOST case"
SciCraft is on whole another level
One potential way around the tileable rail issue when moving them back and forth with pistons would also be to simply have every other minecraft unloader on the opposite side. So the first unloader would be on the right side and the second would be on the left side, so on and so forth. From there it would just be the matter of gathering the items up and all together, but I don't know how much faster or elegant that solution would even be. It's a thought either way.
I was needing this just yesterday. Fantastic timing!
You could also build these 1-wide systems on different sides, alternating with each row. The only negative is that they theoretically could interrupt each other's pathing via hitboxes.
I WAS LITERALLY LOOKING FOR A NETHER COMPATIBLE UNLOADER. THANK YOU ILMANGO
I like the idea of the collecting the minecards in a single place and redistributing them, maybe there is a simpler way than what you have shown in the video
Finally I did find this. A fast unload and sorting setup for my gold farm. Cant wait to build this into my system. You are legend.
If sponges immediately dry when placed in the nether, mud should instantly become clay if placed in the nether.
That is an excellent point
For mine where I needed something slightly faster than hopper speed, I just used a glitched hopper minecart in a block under the rail. That gave enough of a buffer to allow the hopper minecart to go back on it's rounds.
could you use the instant update dispensers trick in place of the water streams? maybe just have hoppers on each dispenser or dropper to catch the items? I am sure there is a reason you did not do this, but thought it may be worth mentioning.
I believe that would be laggier and lower bandwidth
@@Desmonid see, I knew there was a reason I didn't think of/know lol.
I love it when you have designed a new system and then spend several weeks making a lot of videos with that system
Nether unloaders are easy to do, instead of using water, just use lava instead, nothing could go wrong
Netherite tool item sorter!
Your videos are always so informative
You can put a trapdoor, the rail on top, and then open the trapdoor, this way the items will go through
I loooove this new feature in 1.19 -- so much cool stuff you can do with it
You can easily make floating rails with headless pistons. Then the items fall straight down, where you can then merge together with piston conveyor belts. You just have to be careful to never update the rails.
could you offset the rails one block in the Y direction and have a zig zag sort of setup?
I was messing with this lava caldren too. 2 things, slower carts makes the dropped item drop more central (I didn't test %) Also cactus seems to work better but it's larger and ugly
You can use a wither skull instead of the amethyst, if you don't want to bother finding an amethyst geode but already have wither skulls.
I really like the concept of leaving the items inside the minecarts for most of the time. However, what kind of stuff has to be build in the Nether that wouldn't be better of beeing build in the overworld? I don't think the list of Nether exlusive farms, that require such kind of collection is somewhat short. And then it is probably best to design something very specific for the specific farm.
Most of the time I have actually just moved required storage tech to the Overworld side. It's just so much easier and often benefecial for other reasons too
How about a nether based large scale honey farm?
@@TammonOG Since I am playing with autocrafting, I never had to approach them in the vanilla way.
But I think they aren't too bad. One could either use normal hopper lines and scale the modules per line in accordance to their productivity and then build multiple of those modules, that each produde
With the first system (5:00) if you could somehow reverse the lane assignment system, or produce something similar on the other side you could create a continuous stream of mine carts where each cart has to travel the same length. That would remove a need to cycle the system.
I think this would increase the item collection rate a little.
That intro is so clean
aren't you over thinking this? just move the second unloader 1 back so you could stagger the rails
You could use another hopper minecart under the muss block and then put 4 hopper under the minecart. So 4 hopper and the hopper minecart in the middle of those 4 hopper
What about trapdoor rail bug. Basically you can place a rail on top of a closed trapdoor, and when you open it, rail won't break.
wow, is there a video demonstrating all the rail mechanics that make this possible? i am amazed at what you can do with a minecart and rails
Would also like this?
Amazing! Is there any step by step tutorial for this unloader?
Could you do a video, if you haven't already, about how to implement that minecart deserializer using the mud blocks? It looked like you were pushing rails?
Idk if it would work, but maybe instead of moving the block and the rail on the first design you could use trapdoors and open them instead of retracting the piston. And then using a single Minecart lane to pick up all the items to a centralized storage
You're the best! Keep it up.
ilmango i might have an idea for an future video, what if you make like a tunnelbore but stacked on one another so you can make a perimeter from the side?
This nether setup is fast but not fast enough. I'm thinking about sending hopper minecart from one end to the other side where the amethyst cluster is. In every 2 seconds or so. Which could pick up faster my items and maximise the conveyor belt 2 second item procession speed.
I just spent days fixing problems on mine for a nether only ghast farm 😅. I think I found a bug that soul sand has light level 0 4 blocks below light sources... I was starting to run out of redstone resources so didn't end up doing a single dump area. Having the single rail didn't work for me since there is a chance it would pick up one of the top minecarts when breaking in the cauldron. It happened enough that I scraped that design but your version looks like it fixes that problem. I think detecting the top hopper minecart in the dropper to dispense another minecart to be sent might be simplier.
I have an idea. Could you make a 2 wide track of rails one side going away and the other side coming back and then have the minecart unloader at one side and dispense the minecart on the other side( maybe multiple ) to pick up items faster and let minecarts go faster?
Would using trapdoors instead of pistons make it tileable? rails wouldn't update i believe
Maybe some kind of Slimeblock + Piston + Ice track. For to gather all in one spot. 🤷♂️
I have not tested it, but couldn't we replace the block below the rail with a slime block and place a second rail where the top piston head is, then move both using the slime/honey block. Might be directional though. The main issue I could see coming is that items might stick to the honey blocks.
Unless there is some mechanics preventing rails from being moved with a slime block below.
Can water bottle dispensers in a row creating a stream in a split second, then have that water taken in by a system that recirculated it back into the bottle dispensers.
Is that possible in the nether?
For the 1 wide, tillable issue, couldn't you just slightly stagger the unloaders? (Meaning if you want to tile in the X direction, stagger every other unloader by a couple blocks in Y.) I realize that isn't as aesthetic or space efficient, but I think it would work?
cant you put the rails on top of trapdoors? there is a glitch where you can open the trap doors and the rails will still be on.
items would still fall ontop of the opened trap doors
Mojang should really introduce netherite shulker boxes
Maybe you could alternate pushing the rails back and forth to stop them realining.
You can send the minecrarts to the overworld, unload them there, bring them back to the other side of the portal, quickly break them to refresh the 5 minutes cooldown, and repeat
I used this kind of system for a gold farm and it turned out pretty good.🥴
Doesn't it make more sense to send the hopper minecarts to the overworld, unload the items there and then send the hopper minecart back? You could just put the items into storage in the overworld. If you want you could also send the items back to the nether.
Did you consider this?
Easy: Lava is the water of the nether, so just put some lave where the water normally is.
if something isnt stackable try using a one block offset each time
for the problem at 2:20, can't you just put a little line of rail "under" the cauldron, so that the other rails that are not moving are "locked" and the moving rail snap in the right place ?
Short answer: no
@@ilmango lol
@@ilmango sad
This vid is osm, BUT I got a question - how can only 2 hoppers for the chest to store bamboo keep up with the speed of this many minecarts from this large bamboo farm?
I wonder when it's just better to launch items into the overworld and process them there. I mean, it's a free chunk loader while running.
I wonder can we make a goat horn farm using trip wires and pistons??? Like when goats charge to the player it somehow activate a signal using tripwires or pressure plates and activates a piston or double piston where the player is lifted up and the goat hits the wall?? Just wanted to share this idea
I beleive all you have to do to make a goat horn farm is to place an armor stand in front of the block you want it to charge at.
Can you use Nether wood to make a boat that won't burn on lava and stone to make the rest of the bits?
Is this setup only working for snapshot 22w24A, or does this work for the first 1.19 release?
Yo you should try and make an efficient enderman farm in the nether
Great video
Wouldn't it be easiest to dump all items through a portal? Even though that (to some degree) defeats the purpose/avoids the problem
Why not build this design, but each other line is five-ish blocks further than the other ?
You are really enjoying 1.19
yeah, why not? I don't think fireflys would have added anything interesting for me anyway :D
I was thinking chest boats could be useful. I know you've done a video about how quickly they can be loaded/unloaded due to the hitbox, and I recall a certain Hermitcraft episode where Doc showed a piston-bolt using a boat. I don't know have a good idea on how the hopper input/output to the boat would be set up to fully research it's viability.
Maybe you could place the rails on trapdoors so that the items can fall through and you dont have to retract anything
Can anyone tell me why I'm losing items? I threw an entire inventory of iron blocks to be sorted, but the amount of stacks keep decreasing. I tested this in a creative world and sure enough I would lose a few stacks at a time. I threw a whole inventory of blocks and it came out with only 14 stacks. I threw it again and it came back with only 9 stacks and it keeps decreasing from there.
With the first model of the minecart hopper quick dispense, whenever the cart reaches the crystal it doesn't break but instead somehow goes to the rail at the water pipe, anyone know a fix?
Could you switch out one of the rails with an activator rail?
Do you think a rail-equivalent of honey blocks would be a healthy feature for the game? perhaps copper rails to give that resource more value? I feel it wouldn't be unnatural to have in the game because it's simply an alternative way to get the same thing, until you start getting technical with it.
awesome
Unloaders don't even work on bedrock, what did I expect -_-
Yeah those design are less consistent on bedrock because the minecart sometimes get deleted or it hand up in the same place as the items it contained. But it seems that other design could work.
@@lygencore nah the original either doesn't move the Minecart or it never broke
@@DigDig_1999 I'm a redstone man and I've already looked on minecart yeeters (as they are called) and what I was talking about was the ilmango's design with 1 or 2 blocks change to make it work. One thing at least you need to remember is that if it ever is made reliable on bedrock edition it won't look like ilmango's one at all.
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Hello ilmango
This is so smart
What if you put the snapping rail on a trapdoor then opened it?
Send to minecart through a portal to the overworld to be unloaded?
For the design at 1:13 I keep getting an issue where the hopper minecart ends up being stuck in the dispenser, any1 know why?
Can you try to figure out an instant unloader for bedrock
netx snapshot = mud will convert into dirt in nether
why not just stagger the position by two blocks and tile it that way
now we talk8ng
Would portaling work?
What if you move the rails in another rythm? So you first move all odd rails and then all even rails. If you move them in the same tick, they should not connect
lol keep up the funny stuff
the new 3d printer dosnt work in 1.19
Can't you just place the rail on scaffolding? This way the minecart can stay on there but the items can fall through
Work on bedrock?
Never
No for several reasons. The mud block is a full block on bedrock edition, the minecart has to be halfway in the cauldron to break, items can be deleted…
The design needs to be fully revisited if you want it to work
allay slavery it is
Are you really german, you should create an automatic panzer farm or an automatic luger pistol farm
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