Bible Prophecy # 24: The Origins of Preterism--Was All Bible Prophecy Fulfilled in 70 AD?
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- In this video I begin to explore various kinds of "Preterist" interpretations of Bible Prophecy, particularly those Christian views that claimEVERYTHING, including the Return of Jesus and resurrection of the dead, took place in the summer of the year 70 AD, with the destruction of the Jewish Temple and the city of Jerusalem. When, where, and why did the Preterist views originate?
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In Thessalonians 1, maybe 51 CE, Paul is addressing concerns that Jesus has not yet returned.
I would like to direct everyone to search for Jeff Durbin's (Apologia Church in Mesa, AZ) series on Matt 24. He really gives an excellent exposition of the Olivet Discourse. We need to understand the symbolism used in the OT to understand the NT scriptures.
Search Bruce Gore Apocalypse in Space and Time. Apologia is really good, Bruce is great.
David Noel Freedman used to say that the failure of biblical prophecy is a strong indicator of the authenticity of the text.
Thank you again Dr. Tabor ❤️💜💙I am curious as to whether you have seen the production “Messiah 2030”? It’s interesting but very detailed and complex….a bit much to take in in one or two bites. I would love to know your thoughts on it if you do happen to watch it. 🤓
...what recommends THIS particular "Sure & Certain Calculation/ Interpretation" of Jesus Bar Marhia's "Second Coming", above- & beyond Any/ALL of the Hundreds of prior (& 100% FAILED) 'Sure & Certain Calculations/Interpretations" of that same event ?
I think that Christians need to spend LESS time- & effort laboring to "Rehab" their "Missing Messiah" -- and redirect some of those 'resurrected' hours to the study of literature from Mediterranean Antiquity which teach timeless Lessons on the Consequences of spreading "False News" -- as in Aesop's Fable "The Boy Who Cried Wolf"...
@@neclark08 I just thought it was interesting and I wondered if Dr. Tabor had seen this particular calculation. The people doing it are Messianic Jewish people I think , but I’m not sure. With modern technology it seems they’ve gone to a great deal of effort and into a lot of detail. I’m not sure what your question/comment means.
Excellent, concise series, James ! I was in the evangelical world decades ago in my college years (tho maybe not truly of it), but this series has taught me more about the actual prophetic texts, than years of devotional study did. Ironic, right ?
1993 True prophecy, brilliant. I know it was a slip. Perfect timing though. Really learning from this. Thank you.
Love your comments about the Church of Christ views making no sense of what God and the prophets said.
Unfortunately, it is like Jeremiah said: "We have inherited lies from our fathers" - be they Jew or "Christian".
Interesting....but which came first, the preterist expectation that all will be fulfilled in 70 CE or did "full preterism" came about due to the failure of a literal "Jesus retuning on a cloud" event? Speaking as an outsider / non-Christian, I just find preterism (full or not) to be fascinating because the focus is on the original believers in first century CE and their expectations / expeeriences, not some far flung prophecy of future wars blah blah. If I want future apocalyptic stuff, I'd stick to reading dystopian sci-fi 😇
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I was brought up in the Presbyterian Church and would never have thought to put all of these texts, Luke, Paul, Daniel, and Revelation together nor had I ever heard the term “Preterist.” This is really quite extraordinary! When did critical scholars begin to put this together?
Never thought that I would learn more about these things out side of the pulpits. I am surprised really.
Thanks greatly for introducing the Preterist option. Many have never heard of it. Lynn Louise Schuldt wrote the book "79ad" which explains how the prophecies did literally take place. The Kingdom is in heaven. The new testament is a spiritual book and should be interpreted as such. However the events leading up to Jesus' coming were literal.
One really has to be in a state of denial in order not to see the greatest disaster ever to befall mankind coming at the world like a runaway train. . . .
How does one decide what is prophetic, and what can be used to support such prophetic ideas?
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If it did happen already Professor, who and what does that mean for us?
Dr Tabor thank you for your summary of predictions and how they are handled I am a Bahai and am connected to the 1844 date as calculated by many including the Millerites. The failures of the most robust predications, I believe , are due to attachment to literal fulfillment. Most Christians don’t realize that Jesus did not literally fulfill the Messiah expectation’s of the Jewish people
I have a Matthew Henry Bible with Commentary. He was born in 1608. The biblical lens was quite different from the commentaries of today. Not Preterism, but most prophecies were fulfilled in 70 AD. Not all
Confusing, but thank you
Why can't religious people just accept that all prophecy has always been a product of their own type of mindset? Totally human inventions plus a vain belief that the "holy" texts they have which undergird their religion is "divinely inspired" - a catch 22 belief that creates incredible mental gymnastics and subterfuge so that these texts retain their "divinity" - and their religion, its validity 🙄
All that Jesus said there was that destruction of the Temple and a warning to the followers. Matt. 24 has to be read in light of Matt. 23.
People I've talked to about full preterism ALWAYS (literally 100% of the time) ignore me when I bring up Daniel 9:26-27 in the context of the temple and animal sacrfices coming to an end in the 1st century. They ignore me and redirect the conversation somewhere else where because they can't justify futurism when we don't sacrifice animals anymore.
We mortals are at a disadvantage in dating the final coming. God transcends time. God is everlasting. The final coming has already passed, and is yet to come, for different people. The point is that for an individual, the appointed time is always near, and could be tonight, but is the individual really ready for it?? Have we really changed, and embraced the truth, light, and will of God?
Jesus said that the Kingdom does not come with observation, for it is within you. Luke 17:20 It "looks" like the kingdom arriving didn't happen because they think it will be observable. Jesus said my kingdom is not of this world, or a tangible literal earthly kingdom. It is Spiritual with spiritual temple, spiritual sacrifices and spiritual worship. Josephus and Tacitus both mention seeing armies shining in the clouds during the time of the war of the Jews.
Daniel 9:26-27 says the sacrifices will end and the sanctuary (temple) will be destroyed. Did that not happen in the 1st century? This means Daniels last week already happened 2000 years ago. It is a simple yes or no question. Futurists are astounded and speechless everytime I bring it up.
Rapture, false doctrine
This message is sent in love. The rapture is a false doctrine and is mainly derived out of 1st Thessalonians. When was this book written, to whom, and what does it say? Written circa 52 A.D. to a church that was present in 52 A.D., this letter was not written to you. In every chapter Paul/Silvanus & Timotheus (authors) tell the church members that Christ is coming. This is the revelation/the resurrection/the gathering/ the restitution/ the last day/ ch 1:10, 2:19,3:13,4:15-16,5:23. If you received a letter telling "you" that the Lord was coming in your lifetime, 6 times, what would you believe? Exactly. Luke 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children. Matt 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. Matt 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Christ returned in the first century and destroyed the temple in judgement fulfilling the law, ending the old covenant, gathering all peoples unto himself, per his own testimony.
Daniel tells us Rome would be in power when the everlasting kingdom would be established: Daniel 2:44, 7:14, 9:24.
Christ quoted from Daniel and told "them" (his audience to whom he was speaking) when "you" see the abomination, not us: Matt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
The entirety of the New Testament authors all tell their immediate audience that Christ was coming, in their lifetime. Paul, John, James, Peter all say the same thing. Peter directly tells his audience they will witness the revelation, 1 Peter 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Peter said he was living in the last days, quoting the prophet Joel, Acts 2.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-16 The church members are obviously concerned about what has happened to their members who have already died, physically, verse 13. Why? Paul had already told them 4 times in this letter that Jesus Christ was coming. They were looking for the revelation. In verse 14 Paul is telling them that God will also gather them, the ones who have already died physically. If you die a believer, where do you go to reside? Heaven This is your final abode. Where does Abraham, Isaac and Jacob live? Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: Acts 3 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
Almost all of the prophets talked about the "last/latter" days, this is where the New Testament writers get their doctrine. The last days are defined as the "last days" of their covenant. The saints in heaven are not leaving their abode; they are simply included in the "gathering", which is the resurrection/restitution Paul preached. In verse 15 Paul tells this church, that they were going to "be alive", breathing, when the Lord returned. And obviously they would not precede, go before, the saints who physically died and were already in heaven. The gathering/resurrection/restitution was for all things in heaven and earth. Verse 16 the dead in Christ (a believer who physically died and is now residing in heaven) will be resurrected/gathered first. Why? Christ was sent from heaven by his Father. If you live in heaven, then you obviously will participate in order first. Verse 17 then we which are alive and remain, we (these are breathing Thessalonian church members) Paul told "them" that they would see the coming of the Christ, 6 times in this letter. To "meet" the Lord, this word meet is apantesis. What does this word infer to a first century person?
This word is used for a formal meeting of a dignitary. Everyone in antiquity knew this word meant that a dignitary was coming to your city. They knew this meant that you would send out a welcoming party and usher that dignitary into your city, where they would remain. It never refers to someone coming to your city to get you and take you to a different location.
The second coming/resurrection that Paul preached has been accomplished by Christ. Paul tells us in Acts that his doctrine on the resurrection/revelation comes from the law and prophets. The old covenant ended at the destruction of the temple; we are living under the new covenant, which lasts forever. This message is sent in love, your friend
If you are going to follow Mark - don't you have to reject the conclusion of Matthew - because Mark defies Matthew?
Jesus said that even he didn't know the time he was going to return, but only the Father knows. So why do they think they know?
_"Jesus said..."_
You know none of the Gospel authors witnessed Jesus, right?
In matthew he said this generation would not pass away until they saw his return - the writer seems to be putting words in Jesus mouth he never said, unless this generation is some future generation but it doesn't fit what is said in the Olivet discourse. I don't believe Jesus said these things, the author was wrong
@@blackswanrising2024 Christ wasn't talking about the people who were sitting in front of him. He was describing the events surrounding the last days, and when x, y and z happen that generation will not pass away before the return.
@@joels310 abomination of desolation according to the author did happen in their generation see luke
I'm just referring to the people who think they know when Jesus returns. Whether it's real or not. But if they believe in the Bible they should know better. It's the arrogance of it. That they think they know better than Jesus.
Couldn't Paul just be wrong relying on Daniel.
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What if the 'destruction of Jerusalem' does not refer to either the city in Israel nor the temple of Solomon, but the Temple of God in (each) man? Nobody dies without a cause of death. And whilst the time during which the last desolation of the body sets in, and when the soul breaks free, may be quite long, and full of suffering and 'wars' in the body (and mind), appear short - such as in a fatal accident, but people who have passed very close to their own end, report stretching of time, so there is a period for everyone in their last 'illness' or desolation, when the dead may return to help the inhabitant of the Temple (as such people also tend to report), and finally the final coming of the WORD of light, comes to each of us in our time appointed time. There is no room for frozen academic history in all this, I feel. And each Templar / Apostle has their own time, their own duties to perform, according to their Times of life in Time. Always a clear, patient, and understanding tutor, thanks James.
There is evidence the first century disciples held no other added book but the Hebrew Matthew or the Aramaic Matthew. What is you opinion between them? (Andrew Roth - Aramaic English New Testament?)
Date setting is not new... It won't end until Christ returns and no one will be right. I believe that we have been living in the end times since Christ left, and we are to labor for his Kingdom. I see the events around the world and see God's hand moving in the direction of Christ's return. That should spur on our preparation for our king's arrival not guessing about how much time we might have left. As for those who believe the Bible is only historic doesn't have eyeballs.
The future never seems to arrive. Maybe we missed it and now it is in the past. The present cannot wait either way, but don't worry, its not going anywhere.
The rebellion is the act, the rebel lion is the cat, the lion rebel gets the tac.
Clinging to the past Judaism, Islam and Christianity "It ain't over yet!". 70 weeks determined, is a set period of time. Jewish Hermeneutics means other things need to be decoded to fit.
Luke's reference to the times of the gentiles is a reference to these "times":
[Dan 7:25 NASB95] [25] 'He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.
IE: The 3.5 years of war with Rome. And notice that after the Jews were "shattered" in 74 AD/CE, all prophecy was accomplished.
[Dan 12:7 NASB95] [7] I heard the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, as he raised his right hand and his left toward heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever that it would be for a time, times, and half [a] [time;] and as soon as they finish shattering the power of the holy people, all these [events] will be completed.
[Rev 12:14 NASB95] [14] But the two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, so that she could fly into the wilderness to her place, where she was nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent.
Full Preterism is the correct view of biblical eschatology.
It may also follow that the Book of Revelation has been fulfilled through Chapter 20. The "Millenial Kingdom" would have occurred during the " Dark Ages" . It is quite plain that we are living in times when the Nations are again deceived. There is only the final judgement ( with the gleaning of the fields for a few remaining bushels or wheat) to come. That is if the "prophecy" of that book is deemed valid.
Despite the differences in the texts, Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 are all about the same thing : the end of the Age and the second coming of Jesus. There should be no gap in time at Luke 21:24-25 between the desolation of Jerusalem in Luke 21:20-24 and the Parousia of Jesus in Luke 21:25-28. Luke 21:24, “Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are over” means that “Jerusalem will be siege and overrun by a Gentile army for a time, times and half a time” - so “until” means 3.5 years, not a few thousand years duration. Luke 21:25-26 is the prophetic language describing Jesus coming as Spirit (Son of God) in judgement and that should take place immediately after the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple (the end of the Age). The first century believers received their unshakable Kingdom of God, Mount Zion the heavenly Jerusalem, Hebrews 12:22-28 after the removal of the old covenant Israel (the created things which can be shaken, Hebrews 12:27). Isaiah 2, “The Mountain of the Lord”, is a type/shadow of Mount Zion, the heavenly Jerusalem, the anti-type/reality. Therefore we look for the reality and not the shadow when it comes to fulfilment.
I’m sorry I didn’t catch your interpretation about the little season any maybe historical lies. Oh when the devil is let lose to deceive the nations, or the elect. I mean if you deceive nations you probably do so by changing history to and teach of a future kingdom or that the kingdom never came and people would forget that God’s kingdom is here Could this have happened?
"This generation" is the people to whom Christ was addressing; they were sitting and standing in front of him. We cannot insert ourselves into the text as if he was talking to us; this would make the text fiction. Generation in Matthew:
Matthew 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Why is John telling them to run from the wrath of God if it did not apply to them? It did apply to them, within 40 years.
Matthew 11:16 But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows. Is Christ talking about a 2,000 year removed people? Absolutely not, this generation is standing in front of him.
Matthew 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. Christ is saying the same thing John was saying; who are they speaking to? Not us today, they were speaking to the people standing in front of them.
Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: Who just asked him for a sign? A man standing in front of him. Christ was referring to some distant 2,000 year removed generation? How foolish to assume this man was not part of "this generation" to whom Christ was speaking.
Matthew 12:41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here. Nineveh repented at the preaching of Jonas, but the Pharisees and Sadducees who lived in Jerusalem would not repent, thus, they were about to suffer wrath.
Matthew 12:42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here. She gave Solomon great gifts, loaded down on camels, and was more righteous than the current apostate priesthood, which is about to be destroyed. Jocephus tells us the table of shew bread represented the zodiac and the curtain/veil was made in Babylon.
Matthew 12:45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation. Who is Christ talking to? The generation standing in front of him.
Matthew 16:4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed. Who was seeking a sign? Us today? No The people standing in front of Christ asked for the sign.
Matthew 17:17 Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me. Who is Christ with? Who is the you? Again, the people standing in front of him.
Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Who is Christ addressing? Us? Not even close. FInd a 10 year old child and ask them to read this and define the people who Christ is talking to.
Matthew 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. All of the wrath and tribulation was for that first century generation. Unless you're willing to call Christ a liar.
Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Christ was sent to fulfill the law. What did the law say? It said if you break it the consequences are severe. Christ destroyed the temple in judgment, ending the old covenant. That "age" ended. It is finished. your friend
You have provided plenty of evidence to support some of the Preterist ideas . Anyone who visits or sees pictures of the Gothic and neoclassical architecture dispersed throughout the world will have trouble explaining how they were constructed by feudal peasants with oxen and carts in the "Dark Ages" . There is something amiss in the historical narrative, and there are many channels on TH-cam and other sites which are putting forth more reasonable explanations than the previous scholars have allowed. Instead of trying to shoehorn prophecy into some irrational timeline, why not start with another set of assumptions based on the real evidence that there was a more advanced civilization than ours in control of the whole planet within the past thousand years? That would mean that we are the descendants of those who survived or were "left behind" following some cataclysm/ apocalypse. How's that for Preterist ?
Compare the wording of Matthew 16:27-28 with that of the white throne judgement which happens after the 1,000 years.
Here is what Jesus said in Mat 16:27
For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will REWARD each person ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.
And at the white throne judgement:
Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY HAD DONE as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY HAD DONE.
And then again in Rev 22:12
“Look, I am coming soon! My REWARD is with me, and I will give to each person ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.
Jesus essentially tells us that the white throne judgement of revelation 20 happened “while some standing here lived” in 70AD.
The one who is making final judgment at the great white throne in revelation is the Father God YHWH. . Not the Son of Man. These are not the same judgments. The Messiah, the son of man, is judging over the nation of Israel in 70ad.. but the day of the Lord (day of YHWH) at the consummation of all nations and history, YHWH himself judges the whole world, not just the nation Israel.
Jesus said it was the disciples that actually judge Israel (Matt 19:28). Also Jesus himself said that HE was the one who would reward men "I will give to each person ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY HAVE DONE." @@ShemaHaTorah
End time. Matthew 24:36… Only the Father knows. How does the aforementioned fit?
"The Bible gives an example of man attempting to change the meaning of time words used by God; and God's response. In Ezekiel 7, God said the Day of the Lord was at hand. The Day of the Lord in this context was when God used Babylon to punish Israel for her sin. This is the concept of the Day of the Lord; it is not an "end of time" idea. It is when God used a nation to punish another as it related to his chosen people.
In chapter 11, Israel responded to the threat of coming judgment. They insisted that although Ezekiel said it was at hand it was really not. It was time to build houses, not worry about judgment. One can almost hear some of those people: "Well, yes, Ezekiel has said the Day of the Lord is at hand, but after all, 'one day is with the Lord as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day,' (Psalms 90:4)."
When Israel "elasticized" God's words of imminence into relativity, ambiguity and meaning-less-ness, God responded. In Ezekiel 12:21ff, God told Ezekiel to tell Israel that her days of changing the time for his predictions were over. He had said judgment was at hand; Israel said it was not at hand. God would not tolerate it.
Ezekiel was instructed to tell Israel that in that generation judgment would fall just as God had indicated when he said it was at hand. What we have, then, is an example of man saying that while God had said something was imminent it really was not; it was for a long time off. We have God's response; when God said "at hand" he meant "at hand!" He did not mean hundreds or thousands of years; he meant "soon!"
Another example of man changing the meaning of God's time words is in Amos 6:3. God warned Israel the time had come for her to be judged (Amos 8:2). In spite of the warnings, Israel "put far off the evil day." Isaiah 56:12 shows they were saying "tomorrow shall be as today." In spite of God's warning that judgment was at hand they insisted "All things continue as they were," II Peter 3:3-4! They refused to believe God meant "near" when he said "at hand!" As a result God said "Woe" to them!
Reader, what is the practical difference between Israel of Old denying "at hand" meant "soon," and Bible students today who read the New Testament time statements and say they did not mean "soon?" What is the difference between those in Isaiah's day who denied the warnings of imminent judgment, saying life was going to go on as usual, and those today who read the time statements made in the first century and say the predicted events were not truly imminent? Those who deny the first century application of the at hand time statements of the New Testament are doing the same thing as the Israelites of Old--denying that "at hand" meant "soon!"
revelation 1-12 happened 70 ad but rev 13-22 is future.
The error many of these bible scholars make is assuming that Christ or scripture is predicting the return of Christ..they are not.
Scripture prophecies about thing Christ would do,events that would occur and conditions that will prevail but nothing to declare when he would return.
We can even say Jesus foretold not the time of his return but the events,conditions that would forerun his return...in my mind I've come to see a big difference.
When one thinks of the "time" of the return in a quantitative sentence we make the error of wanting to know the "hour". However, when we think of time in a cosmological sense we think of time as a maturation of a totality of events and spiritual conditions.
Cosmic time cannot be measured.
With regard to prophecies, whatever is calculable is not for the demarcation of the onfolding of any spiritual event but serves only as a means for the discipline of the adherents by which the must remain cognizant and watchful.....but to the actual fulfillment he is left completely unaware unless he remains open to God by faith for Eyes to see what reason and intellect could never discern on its own through mathematical calculations.
SPIRITUAL THINGS ARE SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED.
That don’t make sense a thousand day is not making any sense, time is consistent and how long isn’t it? Time has to be consistent or there would no reason to have calendars. You need time for things you have to attend. Like dr. appointment.
88 reasons i was in 8th grade. I had a copy. Scared the everloving sh1t out of me
Global nuclear war. . . . . . ."I have come to bring fire to the earth. . . . "
A nuclear explosion is not fire.
"Fire" is either a chemical or a nuclear event that produces heat. It doesn't make any difference which, it is still fire. Furthermore, a nuclear explosion will set the entire surrounding area on fire. @@twitherspoon8954
@26:31 "times" of the gentiles, would that be the same -a time, "times" and a half a time-....?2000 years from the cross ,32 ad would be 2032 , or enochs time 2026 sept, just coincidences i guess
The next big event is the 2nd person to be resurrected.
I admire your presentations.
Preterism and Dispensationalism both ignore the Parables of Matthew, chapter 13. In fact, hardly any Christian today has read and understood them because they've been taught to ignore them. They present a problem when viewing the world we live in today which is full of evil, and the fact that the "tares" are still living among the "wheat" in the field.
As Paul stated, "WHY are there so many divisions among you?"
It's because Christians do not fully read and understand the scriptures asking The Holy Spirit or "the Teacher" to guide them.
They would rather follow the traditions of men and doctrine.
Christians have become intellectually lazy.
Pastors are too full of pride to let go of doctrine and humble themselves before God.
13 2 the last supper.
Mark13:10 explicitly says that the gospel will be preached to the world before the end will come. Are we there yet? Don't think so. God is long suffering according to Paul, Prolonging the Days. Some might say this verse is an interpolation. Prove it!
God takes time to read books? I imagine God, Jesus, would just know.
Neither can we expect ancient, ignoramus peasants to know jack about squat. I mean, the Earth is flat from my perspective.
Personal flight is becoming more affordable. There are these airfoil wings you cab get for a couple hundred bucks that will launch you upward as long as you stay in a draft
Or you could do the helium party balloons attached to the chair thing
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Jesus is recorded as telling his disciples that he would come in his kingdom and judge all men according to thier works before they would die. (Matthew 16:27&28) This is explicit and is only one of many passages in the new testament that pose the same concept. In my opinion either the Jewish concept of the kingdom must be re-interpereted ("the kingdom of God is within you") or its a failed prophecy.
@@beanfairy What do you think about the concept of the kingdom being understood as one that "does not come with observation" but is in heaven or "within you"? How would you demonstrate that this concept is not compatible with the kingdom fortold in the Hebrew bible?
Jimmy, here's the thing: the future of your academics is through you intuition that Mark and John are an entwined narrative. Your Ten Events in t Mark 11 and 12 has an essential literary connection with thee 2 events in John 11: the action of the Holy Spirit alerting Jesus it was show time and the raising of Lazarus. When Martha and Mary greet Jesus with the exact same words but different temperaments> . it was a signal engineered by the Holy Spirt as a command from Yaweh, Queen of Battle, to make it happen. It is a technique demonstrated in Genesis 41 with the Pharaoh's Dreams and explained in Genesis 41:32.
I have had eastly this same experience in my relationship with the Holy Spirit on a pretty regular basis.
But because pf your critical historical method, you are missing all that shit and leading your disciples astray,, like the Pied Piper of Hamelin.
Not the connection to Marks is that there are two passages of weeping as the result of the action of the Holy Spirit, John 11:35, "Jeus espt" is the exact chiasmatic moment of the Biblical narrative as epic drama: The minds of humanity began to go through the looing glass with the Resurrectio, but this is the moment Jesus sets the charges. He llites the fuse with the withering of the fig tree.
A flame thrower has two triggers, set in tandem on the nozzle. The trigger in the back works like a Super Soaker and spraw out the gugasse 30 of forty yars, unlit. The trigger in the front lights a phosperous flare in the nozzle that likes the napalm to create the dramatic flame,
Jesus pulled the front trigger and waling into the Gentile Court, locked and loaded to rock and rrol as a n act of a state assisted suicide.
Peter weeps in Mark 14, 72 as a result of the secon crow of the cock, an operation engineered by the Holy Spirit in coordination with Jesus. Again, the doubling of the signal is all Genesis 41:32. The calling card of the Holy Spirit.
And the doubling of the two moments of weeping is a doubling of the Holy Spirit connecting the narratives together, just as your intuition has surfaced for you. .
That's how the critical literary method of Hegel differs from the dialectical Marxism of the Post Modern Historic Deconstruction of the critical historic method Dale Martin, Bart Ehrman and the John Birch Society.
It is a type of cognitive dissonance to accept the concept of Prophecy if you are a person who recognizes the concept of Free Will. The thoughts which you act on will produce an effect on
reality, which is formed from consequences. Free Will is the greatest gift that God gave to mankind. It is through this gift that we are able to create and participate in reality. Seventy- five trips to the " Holy Land", or one Crusade by some Knight who didn't make it back to England in 1172, says that there is something fascinating about the region. That something is the backdrop onto which all the scriptures and historical narratives, however devised or flawed they may be , are pasted. The ruins of majestic buildings ( which are continuously being destroyed in conflicts wrought by twisted minds) attest to construction abilities that surpass what mankind is capable of today, At least we can carry our little scrying boxes and save our wonderful thoughts in the cloud,
The Short Season is happening now. The thousand year Kingdom has come and gone. Most of the prophecies in the book of Revelation have fulfilled. 2nd Esdras 11-13 proves it. Chapter 11 shows us a line of US presidents, some of whom are still alive.
Analysis, proofs, dates, and timelines at my YT channel.
John book 1 verse 3. 13 loona moons.
If you are a Full Preterist, do you believe this happened in the first century? Matthew 24:30-31: “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then ALL the peoples of the earth (NOT just Jerusalem) will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, (NOT just Jerusalem) from one end of the heavens to the other." IF this happened in the first century and ALL the peoples of the earth saw the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, I think it would be the most spectacular event in all of history and historical records around the entire world would be rife with reports of dumbfounded people in total shock at the most amazing sight ever! Notice it says ALL the people of the earth and not just those around Jerusalem. Or are you saying All the peoples of the earth is a metaphor for people around Jerusalem. Also, Peter says, "The Day of the Lord comes as a thief, the heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements will melt in fervent heat, and the earth and all its works will be laid bare. Sorry, this did NOT happen in the first century Jerusalem. How do you make some things metaphors and others literal, like passages in Revelation that say certain events will happen soon, or quickly? Also, the word translated soon in Revelation (these things will soon happen) is according to Strong’s the Greek word “tachei” and it means: quickness, speed; hastily, immediately. So, it can be a reference to a particular event happening at a quick pace once it starts. Also, Strong's Concordance says about "genea" the Greek word translated as generation: Definition: RACE, family, generation Usage: a generation; if repeated twice or with another time word, practically indicates infinity of time. By the way, it's where we get the word genealogy. So, it does NOT by necessity mean one generation or present generation.
2 Peter 3
Hebrews/Jews wrote the scriptures; they write poetically, hyperbolically, metaphorically and apocalyptically. When you read the bible it is imperative that you read it from their viewpoint or you will never understand it, never. If you read the scriptures always in a literal lens, you will never understand them, never. Every sabbath, his whole life, Peter listened to the law/torah, prophets and the Psalms. Peters' foundation for his doctrine is based on what the prophets said about the "last/latter days". A Jew understands that they live under a covenant; called the Mt. Sinai/Mosaic covenant. A Jew understands if they break that covenant the consequences are severe. The "last days" are defined as the last days of this covenant, by the scriptures.
Verse 1: This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: He is telling them to remember what he wrote to them in the first letter. What did he say? 1 Peter 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. He told "them"/ "unto you" they would witness the "revelation" of Jesus Christ.
Verse 2: That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour. What did the prophets say about the "last days" of the covenant? Almost all the prophets talk about the last/latter days. The song of Moses (Deuteronomy 32) is being sung in Revelation 15. What is the song about? The "latter days" of the covenant and vengeance. Christ said Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. All prophecies are about to be fulfilled, per Christ.
Verse 3-4: Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts. And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. Well Peter, where is the Christs' return? You said we are living in the last days, Acts 2. We know Christ said he was coming back before some of us die, but we don't see him......Matthew 16:27-28 Paul told the Thessalonian church 6 times in his first letter he was coming, but where is he at? James told the 12 tribes he was coming back, but where is he? James 5:7-8 Your friend John is saying the antichrist is coming, 1 John 2:18 and Paul told the Thessalonian church they know who is holding back the man of sin, 2 Thess 2. Who is he Peter? Maybe Ananus the high priest?
Verse 5-6: For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: Your Christ said these last days would be like the days of Noah. We are still eating and drinking and getting married, nothing has changed Peter......
Verse 7-8: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. Where is this one day? Where is this "appointed day" or kairos you keep talking about? One day, like yesterday Peter? Or tomorrow is the kairos? Our temple is going nowhere Peter. Look at it, it took 46 years to build it, aint going nowhere. Some judgment day you keep talking about.... We heard what you said in Acts 3:20-21. Pick a day Peter, any day, stupid man. You think this temple will be burned and destroyed in judgment, stupid man. We know the law; God will not send his Christ to judge us! Yes, we know what the Christ said, we heard him too! The temple will be destroyed at his coming, this is the sign, woohoo Peter, she is still standing, stupid man.
Verse 9: The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Maybe your Christ is making a sandwich? James says we are going to lose our fortunes in these "last days"; I'm rich and it aint gonna change brah, James 5:1-3
Verse 10: But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the "elements" shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Yeah, yeah Peter, neither our temple nor the way we do things is gonna change. All the elements of our worship and following the law, even though we made up half the stuff God never told us to do, Mark 7 & Colossians 2, we are still going to go about things the way we see fit, period. Yes, there is Baal, Molech, Chemosh, Dagon, Ashtoreth poles, Neros' statue (an abomination) and many others inside the temple, but we need to coexist. Yeah, we learned the zodiac from the Babylonians and our table of shewbread now represents the zodiac and our curtain was made there, but look how nice it all looks. Your friend Paul also told the Galatians in chapter 4 our "elements", our law and ways of doing things was bondage, but we like our ways.
Verse 11-12: Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? People, the law/old covenant is broken. It is about to vanish away, and everything that goes with it, Hebrews 8:13. Yes, I'm using the same prophetic apocalyptic language that I was raised on, this is how Nahum 1 talked and Isaiah 13 or 24 or 34 or Zepahaniah 1 or pick a prophet, you know how they talk, or do you not know?
Verse 13: Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. People, the old heavens and earth, the temple, is going to be torn to the ground, as Christ said. But remember I told you to remember what the prophets said, especially Isaiah. A new heaven and earth is coming, Isaiah 65 & 66. Remember what Paul told the Ephesus church their faith was built upon? Ephesians 2:20-22 John is about to write a letter about the revelation, he will draw you a picture of this building your faith is built upon, Revelation 21, this is the new heaven and earth. God will dwell in you, Rev 21:3 tabernacle with you, he has made his dwelling in you just like his son said would happen, John 14:23. Remember Christs' prayer in John 17, read it. This is what is new, don't be looking for some earthly geopolitical establishment with Christ sitting on a kings chair on the earth. What did Christ say? Luke 17:20-21 Where does Christ reign from? What did he say? John 18:36
Verse 14: Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. Walk in righteousness, because the kingdom he is bringing is based on such. It is the new covenant of Jeremiah 31:31-34 Christ is coming on a cloud, just like his Father did in the past, Isaiah 19:1. He is in authority, and you will soon witness great destruction against Jerusalem, as Daniel 9:26-27 said and the other prophets said would happen, remember Christ telling us to read Daniel about the desolation.
Verse 15-16: And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Paul talks about the resurrection brothers, and it can be hard to understand. Unless, like Paul, we read the prophets like Daniel 12 that talked about the resurrection. Remember Christ said the flesh counts for nothing. The resurrection Paul preached pertained to restoring our relationship to our God, Acts 23-26. Yes, some men preach the resurrection/restoration has already occurred, 2 Timothy 2:17-18. But we know Christ has not returned for the "last day" of the old covenant. It has to end, before the new covenant takes hold, that lasts forever. Remember Christ said he woud raise us up, resurrect us, elevate our status as sons of God on that "last day", he said this 3 times in John 6.
Verse 17-18: Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen Now you know, he is surely coming, watch. He just said I am coming quickly 4 times in John's letter, 3 times in the last chapter. While you watch, love your neighbor, read the scrolls and become wise in what the prophets and law said would come, the things we are telling you now. The Christ told me I was going to die, actually be martyred and would not get to see the revelation. But Christ said John would witness the revelation, John 21:18-23 The end is at hand, enjoy the new heavens and earth. When you brothers physically die, then you will come to heaven where I am headed right before the revelation and resurrection. See you soon, Peter
Luke was quoting St. Stephen.
"Luke" didn't write the Gospel According to Luke.
The Gospels were all authored anonymously by non-witnesses to Jesus.
the earth ís flat, not a spinning ball. there is no "space"
James, the train of regret/self-centeredness has, for a moment, stopped...pretty please with nuts and a cherry on top, step off that train and get on board The God The Son, The Full Preterist Train!🙂
Hdna genesis 5 its over rabbie
Thank you Dr. Tabor. The son of men came always through the heart. I know, this approach is more a translation of his being, but this is the way he comes near in our times. Its about everyones evolution into a peaceful worlds colorful community. He is far more powerful in his current form and vibes are much better to digest by humanity. Learning from wars is the most important lesson of men. Now, when the Zionists claim to be acting in the name of Jews, real Jews stand up and are telling the truth about the difference between Zionism and Judaism. According to many jewish Rabbis, Zionists are not real Jews or acting according jewish moral and ethics, nor is Judaism a nationality. Here you can see the bases of Yeshua. And the basis of his intentions was to bring the truth to the world. So anything, what is false and a lie will fall apart. This is how he is working now. You can see that every single day in your private life. You can trust God and Yeshua 100%. People were waiting, but he never has gone. It is very sad, that they did not even try to let go and to let loose and to give themselves entirely to God in trust and love. Because this is the manner to see daily miracles and their presence while we are here on this planet in material bodies. It is necessary to know that reincarnation is very real and the negation of it, was the strongest tool of the church to oppress the people. The second biggest crime, was to negate women the right to evolve freely for nearly 2500 years. We still have not a 50% of seats in every religion. And the world is still not in equilibrium. The crime to discard female teachings has led to a vicious circle of wars, and it still does. Men are far more lost with one Y and one X chromosome, because they do not understand parts of themself without the help of a woman. They are always in between and therefore somehow restless. They carried to much responsability alone, but not one would change his chief position with a woman out of pride. This has led to a male man incompetence in maintaining and teaching peace in the world. They are totally stuck 😂 (in my opinion). But retracting the negation of Maria Magdalenas position after 1600 years, can not change the drama and the exogenetic habits from one day to the next. It was easy to hide that there were priestresses in phoenician temples, and that the woman had a right to divorce so many years ago, while we barely reached a time period of 50 years, in which we can sign a contract without a husband or father. How brutal this cultural regression for women was, is far more clearer when we check our todays positions and rights. There is no plan to give women a 50% of all votes exclusively in every company and government. Men expect us to battle for it 😂 This is how far they have gone into darkness or ignorance. A lot of explaining is necessary. Therefore it is better to reach people by feeling of a general hug by waves and frequencies 😉 in order to break through. Isn't Yeshua the sun 🌞 of men? Who brought the light? Let it shine! There are undoubtly many errors of translation. But this happens when men translate alone. It backfires in every single matter 😂 ❤
Prophets who think too much are usually mistaken. We meet Jesus at our deaths. Each of us.
What we must unlearn is the concept of divine justice. Replace it with God's humility, which is necessary for God to be other than a creature of our minds. God needs no justification to love and be love. Blame is the original sin. Forgiveness is the saving virtue - by us and for our own human good.
Michael,
You get it bro 😎
Amen
Jesus is a fictional character.
@@twitherspoon8954 Too many confirming sources, so you are taking your position based on your faith - your group loyalty. Very human of you.
@@twitherspoon8954 hey twit,
thanks for commenting. I used to think so too, hardcore nilihist/materialist.
But I think the facts won me over to Jesus. What issue do you have with the evidence that makes you think he was fictitious?
@@michaelbindner9883
_"Too many confirming sources..."_
Provide an example.
The end of the Jewish system and the end of the entire world's system of things are two different prophecies. We are living in the time of the latter.
Daniel 12:1 is about to be fulfilled by Jesus.
Prophecy is NOT of human interpretation 2. Peter 1:20 - Your blog is doing a terrible disservice to anyone that sincerely wants to learn God's Word by lumping all these human interpretations into one confusing lump. We MUST let the Bible interpret itself by what is already written in it before we can understand prophecy.
You also especially miss-quoted and improperly categorized the Millerites 'failed prophecy" of 1844. The error was created by the Millerites' misunderstanding of the event (not the timing), precisely by interpreting the biblical meaning of the sanctuary (it is not the Earth), which was later shown by vision to one of their members/ This prompted the remaining sincere Bible students to go back and study Daniel 9:24-27 and Daniel 7 and 8, as well as Revelation 10:8-11, which by the way, not only what happened in 1844 but it had " specifically" prophesied their misunderstanding of 1844!
As I mentioned in past comments, Preterism is a purposeful effort by the Jesuits to confuse and mislead, with the intent of point the prophetical finger away, which points to the antichrist as being the Vatican popery system.
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