I. Praise. God. For. This. Man. Of. God!!!! I praise God for him. He is an EXCEPTIONAL pastor and Bible teacher. A pastor and Bible teacher that really wants you to think and not force feed you pre-packaged perspectives. There are just a few positions he has that I do not agree with but he has challenged me to challenge my own pre-suppositions as well as his positions as I have prayerfully gone back to the text and allowed the Holy Spirit to search and lead me afresh. I have become a more balanced and healthier believer. My understanding of faith and God has evolved, not all of it, but a good portion of it and it has been through the power of God as He has used Dr. Howard John-Wesley's ministry. God bless you pastor Wesley. You are doing a good work. Do not come down off the wall.
I continue to be amazing blessed by the knowledge that his man has obtained thru submering himself in the depression of Christ and righteousness.. Thank you Lord for allowing this man to be a vessel to bring souls to your kingdom of heaven father. Wisdom was a blessing therefore we all are seek the truth to be wise and he is a great teacher. In Jesus name continue to bless this man and his ministry. 🙏 Amen
If I lived in VA, I assure you I would be a member of this church and not only a member, I would be an active, singing, praising God every chance I got at AFBC member. I actually am trying to convince someone to bring me to this church at least once. Dr. Wesley, you may never know how your teachings and sermons have helped me during some very difficult times in my life. It was by no accident that I found you on youtube after never have heard of you or your ministry. Thank God for you as the messenger for me. ~ Dr. M. White
I'm Muslim but I was raised Christian. Now, to be clear, I don't have any intention to go back to the Church. I'm satisfied with Islam's beliefs and theology and they satisfy my heart more than Christianity. But I would say that if I were raised in a church under this sort of preaching, I probably would have felt more "at home" and probably wouldn't have felt a need to convert. The Church I went to was fundamentalist, so when I started to learn about the contradictions and controverial issues brought up in the talk on my own, I thought they couldn't be reconciled with Christianity and so I felt a need to look elsewhere.
Lord Lord Lord Thank you for giving me clarity and insight to open my mind and heart. 🙏🏽. Thank you Father God for allowing me to bare witnesses to the ministry of Alfred Street Baptist Church.. I Thank you Lord for weighing me down and at the same time building me up.
This was a really good CAYA. He's talking about something that many Baptist Church's need to talk about "The Authority of Scripture". I would have loved for him to flesh out the social construction of the inerrancy vs. errancy argument, which is a child of the Enlightment Period and not a linchpin of orthodox Christianity. The Bible isn't trying to prove how perfect it is, neither is it trying to fit into our current scientific and historical methodologies. The Bible is trying to do one thing and one thing only, and that's point us to Jesus.
Take us deeper God. As Pastor said, "I believe in your Lordship, and we can debate the rest." Glory to God for this courageous lesson about the mysteries of you. SIDENOTE: Dr. Fentress-Williams is a bad mama jama!!!! LMBO.
Go head PASTOR HJW TEACH. YOUR TEACHING PEOPLE THINK FOR YOURSELVES LIKE HE Said , AND READ YOUR BIBLE AND BECOME A BETTER CHRISTIAN. What I don’t understand is people who comment that they don’t care for him they are on his TH-cam. Don’t care Don’t agree Don’t watch Don’t listening its very easy to do, Do You Boo. Love you HJW from Delaware
Oh my goodness! This man is SO VERY DANGEROUS!! May the Lord be merciful upon those persons who are being exposed to such devilish teaching,. Woe to him that feed the flock of God such damnable doctrine. Please have mercy dear Lord Jesus!!
◄ John 16:13 ► Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
I loved this, Pastor HJW does well with helping his folk garner a more whole and dare I say faithful understanding of their faith. I've learned so much from him. But quick note on the greek term theotokos, it translates to "God-bearer" or loosely "Mother of God (incarnate)" and it was used in reference to the Virgin Mary. Its significance came about in the Church's debate about the relationship between Jesus' humanity and divinity in the 5th century AD. I could go on and on about that debate, but I'm short on time. If you google Cyril of Alexandria vs. Nestorius, christotokos, hypostatic union, and/or Council of Ephesus AD 431 you'll be able to learn about the main points of that debate and its significance for what the church believes and how the church lives out that belief.
Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life. I don't care how you interpret the Bible. Get that wrong, and you won't make it into heaven; and you won't receive the guidance of the Holy Spirit. You have to study, believe, and obey the Word. You may argue religion, but we can't argue the truth of the scriptures. You can't interpret the scriptures without the Holy Spirit. Been watching Alfred Street Baptist Church online for the last five years! Praise the Lord!
“Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? ...Shall a faultfinder contend with the Almighty? He who argues with God, let him answer it.” (Job 38 and Job 42) Watch: Voddie Baucham - “Why I Believe The Bible” and Kent Hovind about Dinosaurs and Creation...
If ". . . our belief in Jesus is where we are saved and everything else is debatable . . . ," does not ". . . our belief in Jesus is where we are saved . . . " also become debatable? For does not the debate undermine the authority and lordship of Christ?
Im reading the comments and realized that Im not the only one. I stopped watching his sermons because I noticed how "different" he has become. Very open to new ways of thinking. Not quite holding responsibility of what he is teaching but giving it and saying for lack of better term, that he is not quite sold on this Word. I haven't watched videos for 7 months or so and decided to see if anything changed today and clearly people know their Bible because some of you that would call it out see it too. Sadly, people like to feel good and they will never call him out or leave because they like to feel good and who cares about false or misleading doctrine, right?
Jnn F hush. Are we suppose to care that you stopped watching? Good for you. There’s plenty of other preachers you can watch. So do that and move on. No need to comment because you fail to understand what’s being taught.
amcra1 and why are we suppose to care about your post stating that no one is suppose about his post again? His teaching has changed. Thats their opinion, thats my opinion. Same way you said this person should find another preacher to watch and move on why don’t you just find another post that agrees with your conviction and just “move on” Thanks.
Wow - Jesus made the claim that He was the way, the truth, and the life. (John 14:6). What other way did He say we could get to God? I get exposing people to different thoughts, however, I think it is dangerous to minimize Jesus. I like the way the US Mint teaches their agents to identify counterfeit money...they show them the real thing.
God's word changes not , no matter what century we are in. God's word is the same throughout time. God's word changes to fit no one. He said be HOLY and he means for us to be a HOLY people. We are to live according to his standards, not for the word to fit our standards on how we want to live but on what he has given us to live. Come up to God's standards, no if and buts about it.
And Pastor Wesley, it seems, NEVER misses an opportunity to undermine-actively undermine-God’s written word (I’m talking about Scripture-the Bible). And he enlists other heretics in support of his heresy! May the Lord have mercy upon him for leading so many astray. May the Lord open his blind eyes.
Wyeth Duncan how about you be quiet? Seriously your ignorance is on full display for all to see. If you don’t like what he says you can always not watch and not comment. But no you choose to because you think you’re in a place to judge this Man of God.
@amcra1, I will NOT be quiet about the truth! God’s word-Scripture/the Bible-is truth (John 17:17). It is “the word of God written.” What we think of it, and how we respond to it, matters. Jesus has already made the judgment. He said, “Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God” (John 8:47).
@@robynspeed4698, oh, I get the point--understand it quite well. It is WRONG. And it bears all the marks of that Serpent in the Garden (Genesis 3:1-4). Therefore, I oppose it absolutely. "Let God be true though every one were a liar" (Romans 3:4)--even Dr. Wesley.
The story of Thomas finding the nail pierced hands of Jesus is suggestive that Christ is Not the Jewish Messiah bc Zechariah 12- says that a man who will have his hands pierced with nails is a false prophet.
This is a clear cut example of "the blind leading the blind". One could actually ask the question, "is HJW even saved?". If so, why would he invest so much time and energy in usurping and undermining scripture. and he's yet considered by many to be a leading christian pastor??? This is AMAZING!! Help Lord!
Orlando Watson you know you’re doing something when you get haters commenting the same tired lines on your church’s youtube videos. I’m convinced jealousy is the root of all this negativity.
I agree, Orlando. Amcra1-this is not about “haters”, it’s about discernment. There are so great points in HJW’s sermons but I too have noticed more and more that he undermines scripture. Please answer this, how does he know that it is belief in Jesus alone that will save you? It comes from the very same scripture that he puts holes in...its one thing to ask questions about what you’re reading and it’s another to say that it contradicts itself. If you believe that and have proof, what makes you a follower of Christ? “Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? ...Shall a faultfinder contend with the Almighty? He who argues with God, let him answer it.”
T MG no these people are haters. He has never undermined scripture. It’s beyond clear that what HJW says goes way over y’alls head. It’s not his fault you’re not smart enough to keep up with him. That’s not discernment. That’s you not listening and thinking you know everything.
I was disappointed but not surprised. The Bible states "And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith" (1 Corinthians 15:14, NIV). As a committed believer in the gospel of Jesus Christ, based on the Word of God, and my experience of salvation I cannot entertain that there is any other method of salvation. Yes, I am an exclusionist, because Jesus died for me, He arose for me, He conquered Hell, death and the grave so that I can have eternal life. I will always believe my Savior's words "Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:6, NIV). Love people enough to stand for the truth; this post-truth era is an eternal danger to our souls.
Until Paul came along. The conversation of salvation for none Jews wasn’t on the table. ( I believe it was Devine intervention) but until he went to the counsel and said let’s let “them” so from that standpoint I would hope you would have an open mind. And we should debate and have conversation about what is written and how our personal experience reshapes our thinking of the word. I have a friend that grew up in a different religion and believes it with all her heart. Does that mean she is going to hell because that’s what she was taught .My question is God made all people, yet will send some of those people to hell because they didn’t believe in Jesus? What if you grew up knowing only the religion your family participate in. You see sign and wonders in that. Your prayers or answered. Then what? What about the people Jesus healed that we’re not of Jewish lineage. ( he didn’t say accept me as your personal savior) he just said go and sin no more. So they went /or will go to hell? Humans can not fathom the mind of God we can only Trust debate and hold on to hope.
Huge mistake to rely on emotions and feelings to determine what parts of the Bible you choose to accept and reject. So sad... wow hurts my heart to see so many lost and confused.
If a person really thinks, he or she would see that he is contradicting himself big time. His arguments are half baked and he holds a person's word in more esteem than he does scripture. THINK people!!!
Mr. Wesley if you question the inerrancy of Scripture, the same Scripture that Christ and the apostles affirmed, what is your foundation for faith in Christ? Is Christ a liar? Christ is not a mystical concept. Believers are to affirm objective, propositional truth about Christ. What we believe about God and the gospel matters. And if you have no reliable foundation for truth, not your subjective experience, then you are left with existential absurdity. Many of your arguments are no different from those of skeptics and atheists and have already been refuted. You purport to be a pastor yet you continually cast doubt on the word of God, in the midst of a generation who have been seduced by post-modern thought, instead of earnestly contending for the faith once for all handed to the saints. This generation does not know the holiness of God and these sessions only bring dishonor to God and creates confusion. Teach the word of God unapologetically or step aside.
I think you are missing the point, He is not giving you his subjective theology, he is trying to get you to think, the Bible does contain errors, whatever he teaches or preach, he gives you Scripture to back it up. If you read XYZ, there is always a ABC.
Pastor Wesley is simply trying to justify his own heretical beliefs. He skips over the fact that Thomas DID come around to believe EXACTLY what the other disciples believed. Thomas’s unbelief was never commended by the Lord Jesus Christ. And, Pastor Wesley’s heretical beliefs are not commendable, either. I pray the Lord changes his mind.
I can’t 🤫. NO one who claims Christ as Lord should 🤫! Tell the truth: Dr. Wesley teaches heresy, and he actively undermines the authority of God’s written word!
Wyeth Duncan no you are undermining it only because you don’t understand it. I got it. Maybe take that irrelevant energy you are using to actually think.
Pastor took way to many personal liberties with this message seemingly to placate the modern times. We live by the new covenant not by the legalistic doctrine. Pastor misrepresents the difference between salvation and (lifestyle) pattern of conduct. Pastor makes claims with certainty that simply are not factual. Conveniently Pastor claims that God is too big to understand but then he also claims with certainty that man understands all science. This logical failure alone causes much justification to pause and reject the ideas in this message. Jesus raised from the dead... that flies in the face of science and all human understanding... but YES it did happen and YES he is coming again. DISCERNMENT folks!!! Pray for it...
@@mioshichaffin4870 Of course Moshi that's pretty obvious. But education and learning is about listening and considering all opinions and ideas; considering the validity as well as short comings of points and ideas; and forming an informed, reasoned opinion or conclusion. In this instance, also holding those ideas and thoughts up against Biblical and historical scrutiny. Only ignorant folks would draw conclusions or form opinions without listening to and considering others' ideas and thoughts in their full context; If that's what you do then that probably explains your willingness to accept the ideas promulgated in this short sighted message. I've followed Pastor Wesley for a long time. I can see what has led to and been the source of some of the personal trials and tribulations he has brought into his church and his personal life. Some times we have to learn to set our ego aside and get out of our own way and get out of God's way. God doesn't need us to be "smart"; he only calls us to be OBEDIENT. Trust and Obey... there really is no other way... to be happy in Jesus but to Trust and Obey (not understand everything nor feel good about everything... simply trust and obey). God bless you and keep searching the scriptures for answers... that is where you will find them... not in some guys ideas nor interpretations based on feelings and emotions.
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I thoroughly, thoroughly, thoroughly, thoroughly, appreciate this man of God. That is all.
Same with me👏👏
Exceptional, thought-provoking teaching! We need more of this in our churches! Thank God for TRAINED, equipped, well-versed pastor/teachers!
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I. Praise. God. For. This. Man. Of. God!!!! I praise God for him. He is an EXCEPTIONAL pastor and Bible teacher. A pastor and Bible teacher that really wants you to think and not force feed you pre-packaged perspectives. There are just a few positions he has that I do not agree with but he has challenged me to challenge my own pre-suppositions as well as his positions as I have prayerfully gone back to the text and allowed the Holy Spirit to search and lead me afresh. I have become a more balanced and healthier believer. My understanding of faith and God has evolved, not all of it, but a good portion of it and it has been through the power of God as He has used Dr. Howard John-Wesley's ministry. God bless you pastor Wesley. You are doing a good work. Do not come down off the wall.
I enjoyed this lesson so much last night and I am glad to see Pastor Wesley taking us into deeper waters
I continue to be amazing blessed by the knowledge that his man has obtained thru submering himself in the depression of Christ and righteousness.. Thank you Lord for allowing this man to be a vessel to bring souls to your kingdom of heaven father. Wisdom was a blessing therefore we all are seek the truth to be wise and he is a great teacher. In Jesus name continue to bless this man and his ministry. 🙏 Amen
If I lived in VA, I assure you I would be a member of this church and not only a member, I would be an active, singing, praising God every chance I got at AFBC member. I actually am trying to convince someone to bring me to this church at least once. Dr. Wesley, you may never know how your teachings and sermons have helped me during some very difficult times in my life. It was by no accident that I found you on youtube after never have heard of you or your ministry. Thank God for you as the messenger for me. ~ Dr. M. White
I'm Muslim but I was raised Christian. Now, to be clear, I don't have any intention to go back to the Church. I'm satisfied with Islam's beliefs and theology and they satisfy my heart more than Christianity. But I would say that if I were raised in a church under this sort of preaching, I probably would have felt more "at home" and probably wouldn't have felt a need to convert. The Church I went to was fundamentalist, so when I started to learn about the contradictions and controverial issues brought up in the talk on my own, I thought they couldn't be reconciled with Christianity and so I felt a need to look elsewhere.
DEFINITELY MY FAVORITE TH-cam PREACHER😂😂😂😂💪💪💪💪💪💃💃💃💃
Lord Lord Lord Thank you for giving me clarity and insight to open my mind and heart. 🙏🏽.
Thank you Father God for allowing me to bare witnesses to the ministry of Alfred Street Baptist Church.. I Thank you Lord for weighing me down and at the same time building me up.
This was a really good CAYA. He's talking about something that many Baptist Church's need to talk about "The Authority of Scripture". I would have loved for him to flesh out the social construction of the inerrancy vs. errancy argument, which is a child of the Enlightment Period and not a linchpin of orthodox Christianity. The Bible isn't trying to prove how perfect it is, neither is it trying to fit into our current scientific and historical methodologies. The Bible is trying to do one thing and one thing only, and that's point us to Jesus.
Amen
Take us deeper God. As Pastor said, "I believe in your Lordship, and we can debate the rest." Glory to God for this courageous lesson about the mysteries of you. SIDENOTE: Dr. Fentress-Williams is a bad mama jama!!!! LMBO.
This spoke to me.
This spoke loud and clear. Falsehood!!!!
Go head PASTOR HJW TEACH. YOUR TEACHING
PEOPLE THINK FOR YOURSELVES LIKE HE Said , AND READ YOUR BIBLE AND BECOME A BETTER CHRISTIAN. What I don’t understand is people who comment that they don’t care for him they are on his TH-cam. Don’t care Don’t agree Don’t watch Don’t listening its very easy to do,
Do You Boo. Love you HJW from Delaware
Euge groove
Ephesians 4:5-6
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
This was so real!!
At times I'm doubtful but god credit has always been good with me
Oh my goodness! This man is SO VERY DANGEROUS!! May the Lord be merciful upon those persons who are being exposed to such devilish teaching,. Woe to him that feed the flock of God such damnable doctrine. Please have mercy dear Lord Jesus!!
◄ John 16:13 ►
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
I loved this, Pastor HJW does well with helping his folk garner a more whole and dare I say faithful understanding of their faith. I've learned so much from him.
But quick note on the greek term theotokos, it translates to "God-bearer" or loosely "Mother of God (incarnate)" and it was used in reference to the Virgin Mary. Its significance came about in the Church's debate about the relationship between Jesus' humanity and divinity in the 5th century AD. I could go on and on about that debate, but I'm short on time. If you google Cyril of Alexandria vs. Nestorius, christotokos, hypostatic union, and/or Council of Ephesus AD 431 you'll be able to learn about the main points of that debate and its significance for what the church believes and how the church lives out that belief.
Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life. I don't care how you interpret the Bible. Get that wrong, and you won't make it into heaven; and you won't receive the guidance of the Holy Spirit. You have to study, believe, and obey the Word. You may argue religion, but we can't argue the truth of the scriptures. You can't interpret the scriptures without the Holy Spirit. Been watching Alfred Street Baptist Church online for the last five years! Praise the Lord!
“Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? ...Shall a faultfinder contend with the Almighty? He who argues with God, let him answer it.” (Job 38 and Job 42)
Watch: Voddie Baucham - “Why I Believe The Bible” and Kent Hovind about Dinosaurs and Creation...
Amen......
Amen great reply for a better answer
Additional to this, I would encourage y’all to watch Voddie Bauchum’s sermon “Why I Believe in the Bible”
which one? A few comes up when I search for it
Ken Ham deals with dinosaurs.
Helios216 th-cam.com/video/15EoR6O-rUA/w-d-xo.html
Wow.... That was a very interesting ride. Now i'm curious about his thoughts on the saga and beliefs of Carlton Pearson. IJS
He has talked about this briefly before in another CAYA I think or sermon but he did talk about it
Dont believe this guy.
@@dougatou1 this guy?
Real Talk Amen Amen
😮 wow so true
With God I have no problem. With you I do. Your trying to compromise for you can have your agenda. Folks don't let his smooth speach fool you.
If ". . . our belief in Jesus is where we are saved and everything else is debatable . . . ," does not ". . . our belief in Jesus is where we are saved . . . " also become debatable? For does not the debate undermine the authority and lordship of Christ?
Cleatus Jankins Yes, my thoughts exactly...
Im reading the comments and realized that Im not the only one. I stopped watching his sermons because I noticed how "different" he has become. Very open to new ways of thinking. Not quite holding responsibility of what he is teaching but giving it and saying for lack of better term, that he is not quite sold on this Word. I haven't watched videos for 7 months or so and decided to see if anything changed today and clearly people know their Bible because some of you that would call it out see it too. Sadly, people like to feel good and they will never call him out or leave because they like to feel good and who cares about false or misleading doctrine, right?
Jnn F hush. Are we suppose to care that you stopped watching? Good for you. There’s plenty of other preachers you can watch. So do that and move on. No need to comment because you fail to understand what’s being taught.
amcra1 and why are we suppose to care about your post stating that no one is suppose about his post again? His teaching has changed. Thats their opinion, thats my opinion. Same way you said this person should find another preacher to watch and move on why don’t you just find another post that agrees with your conviction and just “move on” Thanks.
hbhbh ivutcyrxcgf you can hush too
amcra1 Ha! Come on fam, you can do better. 😂 Have a blessed Good Friday. And stop saying “hush” you ain’t nobody Big Mama LOL!
hbhbh ivutcyrxcgf I’m trynna keep it holy but don’t push me
Wow - Jesus made the claim that He was the way, the truth, and the life. (John 14:6). What other way did He say we could get to God? I get exposing people to different thoughts, however, I think it is dangerous to minimize Jesus. I like the way the US Mint teaches their agents to identify counterfeit money...they show them the real thing.
Amen🙏🏽
Howard John-Wesley is a diet Carlton Pearson
Pray for his salvation.
Pray for your salvation
Stevie. Im saved through Jesus.
Good teaching. Too many Christians lose their brain after receiving salvation as evidenced by some of the close minded comments here.
God's word changes not , no matter what century we are in. God's word is the same throughout time. God's word changes to fit no one. He said be HOLY and he means for us to be a HOLY people. We are to live according to his standards, not for the word to fit our standards on how we want to live but on what he has given us to live. Come up to God's standards, no if and buts about it.
And Pastor Wesley, it seems, NEVER misses an opportunity to undermine-actively undermine-God’s written word (I’m talking about Scripture-the Bible). And he enlists other heretics in support of his heresy! May the Lord have mercy upon him for leading so many astray. May the Lord open his blind eyes.
Wyeth Duncan how about you be quiet? Seriously your ignorance is on full display for all to see. If you don’t like what he says you can always not watch and not comment. But no you choose to because you think you’re in a place to judge this Man of God.
@amcra1, I will NOT be quiet about the truth! God’s word-Scripture/the Bible-is truth (John 17:17). It is “the word of God written.” What we think of it, and how we respond to it, matters. Jesus has already made the judgment. He said, “Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God” (John 8:47).
Wyeth Duncan 🤐
Clearly you missed the entire point
@@robynspeed4698, oh, I get the point--understand it quite well. It is WRONG. And it bears all the marks of that Serpent in the Garden (Genesis 3:1-4). Therefore, I oppose it absolutely. "Let God be true though every one were a liar" (Romans 3:4)--even Dr. Wesley.
The story of Thomas finding the nail pierced hands of Jesus is suggestive that Christ is Not the Jewish Messiah bc Zechariah 12- says that a man who will have his hands pierced with nails is a false prophet.
This is a clear cut example of "the blind leading the blind". One could actually ask the question, "is HJW even saved?". If so, why would he invest so much time and energy in usurping and undermining scripture. and he's yet considered by many to be a leading christian pastor??? This is AMAZING!! Help Lord!
Orlando Watson you know you’re doing something when you get haters commenting the same tired lines on your church’s youtube videos. I’m convinced jealousy is the root of all this negativity.
I agree, Orlando.
Amcra1-this is not about “haters”, it’s about discernment. There are so great points in HJW’s sermons but I too have noticed more and more that he undermines scripture. Please answer this, how does he know that it is belief in Jesus alone that will save you? It comes from the very same scripture that he puts holes in...its one thing to ask questions about what you’re reading and it’s another to say that it contradicts itself. If you believe that and have proof, what makes you a follower of Christ?
“Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? ...Shall a faultfinder contend with the Almighty? He who argues with God, let him answer it.”
T MG no these people are haters. He has never undermined scripture. It’s beyond clear that what HJW says goes way over y’alls head. It’s not his fault you’re not smart enough to keep up with him. That’s not discernment. That’s you not listening and thinking you know everything.
amcra1 ok. Be blessed. ❤️
Some of what he is saying is down right heresy period!
I was disappointed but not surprised. The Bible states "And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith" (1 Corinthians 15:14, NIV). As a committed believer in the gospel of Jesus Christ, based on the Word of God, and my experience of salvation I cannot entertain that there is any other method of salvation. Yes, I am an exclusionist, because Jesus died for me, He arose for me, He conquered Hell, death and the grave so that I can have eternal life. I will always believe my Savior's words "Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:6, NIV). Love people enough to stand for the truth; this post-truth era is an eternal danger to our souls.
Until Paul came along. The conversation of salvation for none Jews wasn’t on the table. ( I believe it was Devine intervention) but until he went to the counsel and said let’s let “them” so from that standpoint I would hope you would have an open mind. And we should debate and have conversation about what is written and how our personal experience reshapes our thinking of the word.
I have a friend that grew up in a different religion and believes it with all her heart. Does that mean she is going to hell because that’s what she was taught
.My question is God made all people, yet will send some of those people to hell because they didn’t believe in Jesus? What if you grew up knowing only the religion your family participate in. You see sign and wonders in that. Your prayers or answered. Then what?
What about the people Jesus healed that we’re not of Jewish lineage. ( he didn’t say accept me as your personal savior) he just said go and sin no more. So they went /or will go to hell?
Humans can not fathom the mind of God we can only Trust debate and hold on to hope.
@@sueq.8296
We're not called to debate. We're called to disciple.
Amen 🙏🏽
This dude has gone off the deep end, he’s a complete heretic
Why do you say that?
Huge mistake to rely on emotions and feelings to determine what parts of the Bible you choose to accept and reject. So sad... wow hurts my heart to see so many lost and confused.
Is this the guy The Berean speaks of?
What does “CAYA” stand for?
Come As You Are
Don't believe this guy!!!
When do we start considering h john Wesly a heretic??
now. i've reviewed his material before.
When he started forcing people to think
@@iamlaurengill he did another session too.
If a person really thinks, he or she would see that he is contradicting himself big time. His arguments are half baked and he holds a person's word in more esteem than he does scripture. THINK people!!!
@@dougatou1 Exactly
Mr. Wesley if you question the inerrancy of Scripture, the same Scripture that Christ and the apostles affirmed, what is your foundation for faith in Christ? Is Christ a liar? Christ is not a mystical concept. Believers are to affirm objective, propositional truth about Christ. What we believe about God and the gospel matters. And if you have no reliable foundation for truth, not your subjective experience, then you are left with existential absurdity. Many of your arguments are no different from those of skeptics and atheists and have already been refuted. You purport to be a pastor yet you continually cast doubt on the word of God, in the midst of a generation who have been seduced by post-modern thought, instead of earnestly contending for the faith once for all handed to the saints. This generation does not know the holiness of God and these sessions only bring dishonor to God and creates confusion. Teach the word of God unapologetically or step aside.
Exactly. This is more a stumbling block that brings up even more questions then it is something that edifies the body of Christ.
I think you are missing the point, He is not giving you his subjective theology, he is trying to get you to think, the Bible does contain errors, whatever he teaches or preach, he gives you Scripture to back it up. If you read XYZ, there is always a ABC.
This man doesn't believe the Bible. Classic Liberal.
But doesn't the bible talks about Jesus we know about him through the bible? He is confused.
You are confused
Pastor Wesley is simply trying to justify his own heretical beliefs. He skips over the fact that Thomas DID come around to believe EXACTLY what the other disciples believed. Thomas’s unbelief was never commended by the Lord Jesus Christ. And, Pastor Wesley’s heretical beliefs are not commendable, either. I pray the Lord changes his mind.
Wyeth Duncan dude 🤫
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I can’t 🤫. NO one who claims Christ as Lord should 🤫! Tell the truth: Dr. Wesley teaches heresy, and he actively undermines the authority of God’s written word!
If he is not preaching what you believe then exit left. He is not here to convert you. He said that 🤷🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
Wyeth Duncan no you are undermining it only because you don’t understand it. I got it. Maybe take that irrelevant energy you are using to actually think.
Pastor took way to many personal liberties with this message seemingly to placate the modern times. We live by the new covenant not by the legalistic doctrine. Pastor misrepresents the difference between salvation and (lifestyle) pattern of conduct. Pastor makes claims with certainty that simply are not factual. Conveniently Pastor claims that God is too big to understand but then he also claims with certainty that man understands all science. This logical failure alone causes much justification to pause and reject the ideas in this message. Jesus raised from the dead... that flies in the face of science and all human understanding... but YES it did happen and YES he is coming again. DISCERNMENT folks!!! Pray for it...
You didn’t have to watch it... you know this right
@@mioshichaffin4870 Of course Moshi that's pretty obvious. But education and learning is about listening and considering all opinions and ideas; considering the validity as well as short comings of points and ideas; and forming an informed, reasoned opinion or conclusion. In this instance, also holding those ideas and thoughts up against Biblical and historical scrutiny. Only ignorant folks would draw conclusions or form opinions without listening to and considering others' ideas and thoughts in their full context; If that's what you do then that probably explains your willingness to accept the ideas promulgated in this short sighted message. I've followed Pastor Wesley for a long time. I can see what has led to and been the source of some of the personal trials and tribulations he has brought into his church and his personal life. Some times we have to learn to set our ego aside and get out of our own way and get out of God's way. God doesn't need us to be "smart"; he only calls us to be OBEDIENT. Trust and Obey... there really is no other way... to be happy in Jesus but to Trust and Obey (not understand everything nor feel good about everything... simply trust and obey). God bless you and keep searching the scriptures for answers... that is where you will find them... not in some guys ideas nor interpretations based on feelings and emotions.
Can’t agree with you more David
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