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- The recent worldwide anti-racism protests have fueled a heated discussion over a number of public artworks, monuments and street names around the world and in Germany. Once perceived as honorable, today some of them are considered offensive. So who decides what stays, and what goes - and how is that decision made? The German city of Coburg is grappling with that very question, as a petition circulates demanding that the town change its Coat of Arms, which is meant to depict the local patron saint, Saint Maurice, also known as the 'Moor' of Coburg.
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#Coburg #Germany #Racism
It's literally the opposite of racism.
This women is so hatefully racist I feel bad for her, she must stop listening to her Marxist friends or she will never be happy
Religions create icons. Icons and religions are biased
Micheal this is the historical narrative I'd European society, depiction of this as a racist gesture is ridiculous
@@tiffanypage9077 lol you haven't the slightest clue. Why do you think theirs a colored man on the coat of arms
@@vergespierre4271 she knows, look at her other comments you misunderstood her
It's not racist. He is clearly a saint it's a sign of respect for Saint Maurice. I hope to visit one day.
This lady want to make a name for herself
Either that or thinks she is better and more righteous than the locals.
@@mmoore974 🤪😜👌
Hopefully, her name contains no potentially-racist elements.
Oh, wait. If someone can find the veneration of a saint racist, I'm sure someone else in the future can find some component of her name racist, too!
@@mmoore974 probably both
in a nutshell
They are venerating a saint this is the opposite of racism and that woman needs to get a grip they are placing someone in a place of honour regardless of ethnicity
She doesn’t look German
Dean Robinson and you do not look native to North America. Your point?
@@deans-rewind2882 She is. And it would not surprise me if she is talking about herself. She thinks that all Africans look the same, she thinks that the picture promotes exoticism and savagery. She is projecting.
@@deans-rewind2882 she does sound very German though, which is probably a much better metric.
@@deans-rewind2882 she looks more closer to a real German than the people walking around there, those statues date back before any any white people
I am a moor it is not racists it's a honor..long live Moorish culture.
Blackamoor*
Yes, Moorish history is our historical legacy. I hope this doesn't spread to washing out our history in Al Andalucia, which is Spain and Portugal today or other places that has advanced humanity for ourselves and others. No one is an island, we have good and not so good in all human history. St Maurice makes us proud and want to do better in the world 🌎💚❤️
Peace ✌🏽
Hes considered to be a saint
The locals honour his sacrifice.This is respect and nothing else.Move along please.
Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right
What is there to be offended about lmao? They are venerating an african saint
@Gerardo Piedras just because history offends you doesn't give you the right to choose what should n shouldn't be preserved
Well said!
Couldn't have put it better myself
Just because you're NOT offended, doesn't mean you're right either.
@@musicandart6388 actually it does which is why many racist caricatures are no longer used to depict other people.
absolutely hilarious
I think is a veneration a special place in culture .. not racist ..
Compare the coat of arms to st mauritius statue at 0:59
@@MrDgo4life do you know how long it takes for someone to become a saint? How accurates do you think a statue is when, at best, it was comissioned decades (but more likely centuries) after that person has already died. Mauritius (if he even existed) died around 290 so it's safe to say that nobody knows what he looked like, especially since he wasn't wealthy enough to comission a statue or portrait of himself.
The person complaining about the hoop earing is herself wearing hoop earrings.
Mystery solved! The girl is just jealous that Mauritius wears them much better than she ever could. I guess styling on frustrated SJWs from beyond the grave is just another one of Mauritius' saintly powers!
But she can claim POC status.
Lol I noticed that as well I was like wtf 😅
1:47 She is whitehairing. As a white person I feel offended!
Even celebrating someone is bad. How do you let emotionally weak people destroy civilization???
Just because you're not offended doesn't mean you are right.
@@MrDgo4life Just because you pretend to be offended doesn't mean you are right.
@@legalize.brokkoli just because you're not offended doesn't mean you're right either
@Advocatus Diaboli just because you're not offended doesn't mean you're right either
lol this is pretty hilarious and erasing the term Moor is derogatory in itself. Why erase the their great history?
Every race and culture has its history whether it’s positive or negative. And the debate will forever be there to justify one’s insecurity
I don't get it really.
Is putting a man on a flag representing a whole community is considered racism!
And a big news station like dw is covering that!
Their intentions were racist
The woman starting the petition claims that the picture represents a community. The Coburger never did, that is only to represent one person.
Icons are biased. So are religions, philosophies, politics...
@@lorenzoblum868 biased or not putting a person on a flag or as a coat of arm or an money bill is to honor him or his memory.
You see the cross or Allah akbar on many flags, you see scientists and historic figures on the currancy from kings and Presidents to army leaders.
That lady can say anything she wants, but the reality she is just trying the wave of BLM to identify herself as a justice worrior.
I'm not German and I'm not European but this toxic mind set and alternate history is spreading all over the world causing social unrest and policing people speach all over the world, even in the middle east were I live.
These snoflakes and this lady are on LSD. Long live those Mohrs who are instrumental in creating Germany.
The Moors were never instrumental in creating Germany !!
Stop the Blackwashing nonsense
The left is totally out of content
For decades now.
I'm waiting for them to go after the Corsican and Sardinian flags, that would be hilarious.
That would be hilarious
Haha yeah will be funny but good progress for humanity in the end 🌍
😂😂😂😂😂
Watch Basil Davidson's Africa series documentary, in Episode 1 he refers to Saint Maurice's depiction in Germany as incredibly respectful and something which should be part of taught history
His statue and historical paintings are much better depiction of him than the coat of arms which is far from his likeness
@@MrDgo4life Incorrect.
@@legalize.brokkoli X to doubt
@@MrDgo4life all his so called paintings and statues look similar to that
Right
And once there is no racism what will these loons do then?
S B it never ends though
It never ends
I am getting so sick of the DWBS. Headline should be: "Two young Berliners need to get a proper job... and a life! Honestly, do you even know what shame is?
@Mrssewhardtoplease You did not like what you read?
My surname is Morris, i wear it with pride knowing it derives from “Moor-ish”. This is not the kind of history that needs to be eradicated. Think she’s missed the mark on this one.
It's always someone who isn't connected to the issue who always has a problem
The citizens of the town were smart & correct 😊👍🏻
Wait, what's wrong with having full lips, that's literally how most of us look?
SHES AN AGENT!!!!
Am African but this is just crazy, the moors were powerful people who fought for a cause. In fact it is said some of them even fought to conquer Spain until it was taken back by the crusades, so in any case how is venerating one individual who did good for a community and is respected in memory racist just because the statue has some type of earring, haha go to east Africa and see how some of our people has piercing and its beautiful I think. To call for its removal as a racist element of society is just absurd. I believe energy should be channeled to more important matters of society.
The earrings were added in the 19th century and is the only part of the depiction that is actually somewhat connected to colonialism. However, the Saint is portrait very differently but I checked the petition by the woman in the video and she makes no distinction at all. For seemingly all are racist and considered that she thinks that one image with the earrings means all Africans look the same and that it signals exoticism and savagery/wildness, makes me suspect that she actually thinks that of Africans and she is projecting.
This chic is misinformed if she thinks that is racist.
They live there at one time! Enough of our images have been erased already. World is gone mad!
No they didn’t !!
They know who we are
The Coburg "moor" is not one man, the story of St Maurice is just an allegory, notice how the Knight is not wearing Roman Empire regallia, he is wearing the armour of the Holy Roman Empire, founded by Charlemagne the Great.. He is one of thousands of Knights from the Holy Roman Empire. That woman has no clue. Notice how the Knight on the building looks different from many of the other paintings on the manhole and coat of arms etc. There are thousands of paintings and sculptures all over Germany. Travel and see for yourself.
The woman at the end?
Ooch hitting with real history (Truth)
Why does everything evolving around BLM?! Just leave it alone and move on, simple!!
Yes a totally desperate act on BLM part! They are destroyers.
Nonsense by troublemakers.
Doesn't this mean Germany was way ahead of its time in terms of diversity?
Its a massively inaccurate depiction of St mauritius compared to the statue at 0:59 and St mauritius is not Moorish either
Yes, in some ways. Read Eschenbach's Parzival which also had a very modern understanding of race and religion and a transcendent principle connecting all people.
Well I mean... Until the 1930s that is.
Its not racist portrayal this girl is crazy
Attention seeking
shrimati Jeet , the depiction can be found in countless of old school ministrels images.
She doesn't know what she wants.
It is a depiction of the actual history if Europe, it's the furthest thing from racism, it is the historical narrative
what historical narrative?
Exactly that woman is an agent trying to erase history
@@manitheman0806 that’s our people ruled Europe at a point in time dummy
@@phathustla Thats a big NOT.....keep trying......All your narratives haven been debunked....Go to Italy and learn some real culture.....Ops i'm sorry..... you can't go. You don't have any ancestral connections...Enjoy the hood..hahahahahhahaha
@@phathustlaYour people never ruled Europe 😂
The Moors ( who aren’t your people ) just ruled some parts like Spain , Portugal and Sicily !!
The elders in my life always told me to "Believe half what u see and none of what u hear." So my response will reflect this
If she was born and raised in Germany, I'm gonna assume because she's speaking fluent German, isn't it weird she doesn't know historical significance of Saint Maurice, the coat of arms, those statues, and the other caricatures, found in Germany that have to do with the Moors?
Or this could be a ploy to further suppress real world history by trying these things erased and torn down. This woman could be consciously or unconsciously helping to achieve that goal.
Not every one of those statues or caricatures is Saint Maurice. Something is being hidden but u don't have to go no further than an old history book on Europe to put the pieces together
All these rights movements have and always were designed to be a misdirection. Often with sinister unthinkable motives
This lady totally made a fool of herself and insulted Africans, unbelievable.
Then why is she wearing the same earrings?
I do not know the history or context of the image but I find it strikingly handsome.
She needs a history lesson in the worst way
Berlin has PLENTY of problems that need solving
Leave that Moor alone.
He's not moorish though.
@@MrDgo4life According to European Royal Coat of Arms including one of the Pope, these were the real Moors. Look at the brooch Princess Michael of Kent who married into the British Royal family wore to meet Meghan Markle.
Let the Moor be no one is offended.
The Moors ruled there lol
its not her fault : because white- washed history is so prevalent.. WHAT SHE SHOULD HAVE DONT IS the leg work research of why that seal is so? = then the true German history will show its face.
It’s not racism at all. Its history
Not racist at all, St. Maurice is an Icon!
Surprises me that ever made it past the 1930s.
B. O. - “In 1934, the coat of arms was replaced with one depicting a sword with a swastika on the pommel; the original coat of arms was restored in 1945.” - Wikipedia.
So, y’know, it has been worse...
@@AndHaydon lot of wokeness going round in the 1930's Germany!
Pretty girl, weak argument given the explanation behind the cameo. If it were a depiction of an enslaved person or a ‘savage’ then I’d say tear it down!
I’d written to the brewery in Coburg to understand the significance of the iconography, the fact that they refused to even point to any reference material to assuage people’s natural concern shows a great error of judgement and cowardice playing into doubters’ hands.
If there’s nothing wrong then there’s nothing to hide (unless there _is_ actually something wrong)...
They might just be tired of it all.
There's nothing wrong but something is being hidden. Not very well in this case.
when bleached hair and small hoop ear rings are out of style what then?
eins swei drei...
🗝️📿👍🏿👍🏿
She is an Agent
very much so.
If the figure was meant to be a slave? I'd understand the ire. But the Coburg Moor is Saint Maurice. He's the patron saint of Holy German Emperors. He stays. Germany needs him. And he needs to be celebrated.
I think the Moors are the Moroccan.
True, thats what i've been thinking. Moors are actually north african, there were also other kind of moors in countries, like South srilanka, philippines and bengali people.
It also traced back to the Iberian, sicily and malta in the middle ages.
At one time all with melanated pigment were considered moors.
Not just Moroccan.
Originaly the Berber people were the so called Moors, after that other people groups were also considerd as Moors.
That picture doesn’t look like a Moroccan. The average Moroccan is caucasian
The original Europeans
Nope !!!!!
I love when people call me Moor. It's not derogatory at all! Leave our history alone !
She’s really trying too hard. This is actually historical and not derogatory. He’s not depicted as a slave to go along with the lazy ongoing “slave narrative.” He’s in knight’s armor, so he’s being dignified.
literally the opposite of racism
how could this be racism? it is the absolute opposite.
Compare the coat of arms to the statue of St mauritius at 0:59 which is a more genuine depiction of him.
looks nothing offensive, but if anybody have different opinion its their right
its from when the moors ran Europe and where the great great grand parents of your upperclass families
Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait.
Whoaaaaaaaaaa
Why are we not over there right now? What are we doing in America.
That's our country like wtf
She doesn’t know history
Leave it as it is! It's historical!
When we were this age we were told to grow up, and we did.
Even as a BLM Liberal, this isn't that bad imo. I mean lol they still do blackfacing in Netherlands tbh
BLM is Marxist not liberal.
@@Nedula007 Marxists care only for the economic models and the social classes. Races and religions were never on their agenda.
@@fujihita2500 to quote the BLM founder, "I am a trained Marxist."
@@fujihita2500 blm might claim their motivation is anti-racist motivated, that does not mean that is actually the case, nor does it mean that covers everything their "activism" is supposed to cover. They want to "destroy the system" in their own words, blatantly announced over and over again.
This "Marxists care only for the economic models and the social classes" is, simply said, false.
@@legalize.brokkoli Marxists care only for the economic models and social classes, BLM clearly don't, hence, they aren't Marxists no matter what they claim to be.
If you need another parallel, North Korea claims to be democratic, would you say North Korea is not democratic or would you say democracy is like North Korea?
No, this is important History and should be left alone.
Some see racism anywhere. Even if there is no racism. Read Kafka, this is not new
That woman, needs to go to a corner of a room, stand there and have a word with herself.
There is nothing wrong. Somebody needs a job.🙋🇨🇦
I don’t think it’s racist. The portrayal may be exaggerated, but it is honored based on the community interviewed and the extravagant architect linked with the coat of Arms. Also, it was two billionaires that started the move and claim it is a racist portrayal. Leaving me skeptical because there may be an underlying reason for it aside from the racist portrayal in her/their remark.
Compare the coat of arms to St Mauritius statue at 0:59 and you will.see that the coat of arms is very far from his image.
Not exaggerated
It's been there for hundreds of years
Read the history or Europe and see why there is a lot symbols like these around so BLM do your research first.
Dear Germans, please stop scratching around history for finding new things to apologize for, you are better than that 👍👍
Oh, we don't. No worries.
This whole thing is getting insane. Just too much. Calm down.
That woman can barely keep her face straight
): of course I love 💕 him he’s a hero if not why is he there
There was a time white people didn't think there was anything racist about the Washington football team (The Redskins) name or icon, too.
Fun fact: The american indians did not consider the name of the "Redskins" racist.
@@legalize.brokkoli Fun fact they actually considered it racist but because Native Americans are a very small minority in America that doesn't even form a solid 1% of the population means that society largely ignored and overlooked them until BLM and SJWs brang the issue to light and it materialized in the football team owners in considering its rebrand.
If its the saint let it stay
This is a joke. All the focus on horizontal issues yet no nation today has paid for the transatlantic slave trade
Its not racists its reverence.
I find it Racest when you call me white.. I'm not white I'm pink :)
No, you are hairy. :p
You need to stay out the sun mate
Go away
It's ridiculous I'm all for equality, and my ancestors pictures look ridiculous.
this girl doesnt no what's she talking about , the moors were great people , me a maroon most likely of moor blood
St Maurice that is.
Not much of a story was it?
Nubian-habesha I am actully glad idaf about how you display st maurice
That girl is confused...smh
🤔 In German media nobody talks about this - obviously it's a completely local "affair".
Not really, here in Bavaria we just don't really care anymore what these lunatics think is racist and what isn't...
I could see how the flag's depiction of the man is very caricature like, red lips, exaggerated comical features. It's as if someone depicted a European venerated figure with the inbred habsburg look. It would be nice if they could update the design on the flag so he is actually depicted like a saint
Rei Kawa Your comment sounds very sensible to me, I agree with you.
@@JuneJarka thats exactly what I've been telling others
But that is not what the petition seems to suggest. I checked it and while the headline says change, the rest of the text makes no distinction between the head depiction and older ones like the one in armor.
I can agree, but because it's history I don't mind his depiction. The reverence for his deeds are most important.
Look up swarthy Hapsburg and you’ll break the spell you’re in currently. It’s not a Habsburg “look” per se. This is the real thing. Before the reset. The truth of this world.
Just use the Saints real name. Easy fix.
Thank you
Roger Moore? What about family names?
I tell you one thing I'm keeping my fu****g name.
That's cool brother
2:48 "It's not easy to find the right balance. Especially in Coburg". That is a racist comment.
Use of the name Moor and image of all Moors, should be banned because it was at a time where Africans did not have the power or control over their names or images, it's no different than calling an native american an Indians or an Asian and Oriental.
What do you know about the history of the depiction or even the history of Africans?
Who do u think was in power when all these statues, coats of arms and other caricatures were created?
With that argument we should also stop any country from calling Germany... Germany.
Do you really think Asians are offended over being called oriental? We're from the East. The Orient. Hence, oriental.
I’d like to hear from the artist that created it, but I suspect they are long dead
This is not racism, this is stigmatisation. Like all religions do....
Alisha is seeking attention. Does she really need it? She should focus her attention on real problems like religions vs politics or the carbon footprint of the military industrial complex, corrupted governments... And many more.
Alisha should understand that suffering is universal.... Opposing ethnicity is a bit outdated. It's not that simple...
Any iconic representation is susceptible of endless debates because it can't be absolutely neutral. Icons are biased, distorted, twisted....
It doesn't seem racist to me.
These young people need to find better things to do let's go to Mar's and such things not dwell on negative things and try to associate them with history and change history we must embrace history good or bad and never forget it.
who is she to say remove history i am African from Ghana and not all the images look demeaning and i am proud to have a country man go to that distant to be knighted in another region in a day when the richest man on the face of the earth also visited Europe with so much fortunes it crippled the markets for many years. BLM you are BLM then know your history don't erase it for your insensitivity's
?!?
I think there is a society, and individuals exist there.
Individuals are born and die, but society continues.
If there are many groups in the society that have different individual positions, the friction between the groups inevitably increases.
Diversity is such a thing in essence, and in order to avoid conflict, constant cooperation is required. However, individual demands for freedom are endless, and many questions remain about whether a cooperative society can be realized.
What is happening in the US, which is said to be a "free country"?