The prize itself has a meaning. That he achieved something great. Its not something to look at and say what a beautiful prize but to show you that the person who got it has done something big.
"The prize is the pleasure of finding the thing out, the kick in the discovery, the observation of people using it. Those are the real things, the honours are unreal to me." Richard P. Feynman
Prof. Merrifield - straight to the point, pragmatical and rational. "As scientists we have our responsibility, not only to discover stuff but to tell the world what's the stuff we discovered". I've never thought about Nobel Prizes as some achievement awards or competitions, it's just a great PR for science - and it's doing its job very well, better than every other science popularization project i can think of.
Thanks for another awesome video Brady. Few days ago I complained for not enough sixty symbols videos! Professor Ed and Mike are my favorites too! good work
Surely these big organisations like CERN can host their own kind of awards, not an official one or anything like that but surely they could reward their research teams, because the idea of the Nobel prize wouldn't fit giving it to a group, but you can reward a group and the organisation is the thing to do it
because they have been working on the same subject for years and came to the same conclussions, they just read the paper of higgs and englert while they were finishing their publication and found some similarities, so they cited them in their paper. they probably didn't call it the Higgs mechanism though.
The man who formulated Preparation A, Preparation B, Preparation C, Preparation D, Preparation E, Preparation F and Preparation G never got any credit for his work. He paved the way for Preparation H !!! Poor man died penniless, alone and forgotten.
I think the Nobel committee's attitude is as follows: a certain number of scientists working together made a discovery. We honour (this is very simplified) a maximum of three living scientists and we try to make it based on priority of publication. There isn't a queueing system whereby if some authors of earlier papers drop out of the list of winners due to death, their places are taken by people who published their work later. Therefore the people waiting to be honoured (waiting for the evidence to confirm their theories) for the mass mechanism have always been, in order, Englert and Brout, and Higgs, and in terms of priority Kibble, Guralnik and Hagen never made the cut. This did not change when Brout died, consquently Englert and Higgs get the prize. It's always been like this - Penzias and Wilson discovered a background radiation they couldn't explain until they talked to cosmologists who had made finding the Cosmic Microwave Background their lives' work. But P & W published their discovery first so it could then be cited in multitudes of papers by the actual cosmologists. Penzias & Wilson won the Nobel, not the cosmologists, because of priority.
The all-important instrumentalists in the orchestra are rarely even mentioned. Only the composer, the conductor and, possibly, the arranger are lauded. That's just the way it is.
We can find out to whom the prize was awarded and for what in any number of ways, but only here do we get to hear the perspective of The Professors. Too bad there isn't a Nobel Prize for astronomy. Great video, Brady.
I think the fact of the matter is that those deserving scientists already have their recognition within the physics community. I think most of them believe that that is enough. I would certainly be satisfied if I earned widespread respect within my field, even if it did not come with more public acknowledgment.
"To award this year's prize, we got the thousands of physicists who worked on this project out of bed in the middle of the night, herded them into a room the size of a high-school gymnasium, and did a sort of reverse Rutherford experiment. The three scientists who got (hit by) the Nobel prize for demonstrating the existence of the Higgs Boson are..."
I'd want to know if Professor Ed Copeland and Professor Mike Merrifield had the choice to decide who got the noble prize for a different discovery/work in physics who would they give it to.
If I'm not mistaken, Peter Higgs was actually the first to predict a particle resulting from the theoretical mechanism he and the other five colleagues developed. In fact, Higgs' first draft of the paper was rejected by the journal. After he added a concrete prediction of a particle in the second draft, the paper was accepted. Hence the association of the field (and the corresponding particle) to his name.
Hey Brady, what ever happened to the women of Sixty Symbols? I was just watching some of your older videos and I almost forgot how much I loved Dr Gray and Dr Bauer!
Soo what did they do to get the nobel prize? As far as I understood, the only thing they spoke of was how they got the nobel prize in 1964, or am I missing something?
I am just wondering, why do why call it the Higgs mechanism? I rather doubt Higgs refferred to it by his name in his paper. Why did we just name it after one of the people working on it?
Ed, I know Hagen (University of Rochester, USA), and he always got grumpy when others referred to this work as the Higgs mechanism. I think Hagen's proposed name for it was the EBHGHK mechanism as an acronym of the last initials of the six authors.That name may have been difficult to pronounce.
No, the peace price isn't the same as the science prices. Norway was given the peace price from Sweden when Sweden gave Norway its independence as a gesture of good faith. Since then, the peace price has a totally different organisation and rules for giving out the price.
So, wait, if Guralnik Hagen and Kibble read Higgs and Englert's paper before submitting their own, how could they have discovered the Higgs mechanism? They'd already read a paper on it
I have a strange question, has somebody ever checked what happens with the higs-field under the circumstances of expanding space like it does between galaxies?
Feynman's position on the Nobel Prize seems to be the most noble stance to take. Scientific advancement of our race is the only honor we need be concerned with. But I sympathize. It would be nice to get a nobel prize.
I would have liked to hear more the the facts first, and then heard the other 50% other who should have won information. Although I agree, more should have been recognized in the Nobel Prize.
After reading through the comments I have an idea: A top 10 of most inappropriate comments on scientific videos What does the nobel peace prize have to do with scientific acknowledgement?
acknowledgment!!!! If Einstein was staying alone on Mars he would have never gone into deep thoughts!! There would be no one to acknowledge his work. Nobel Prize is the highest!
Yes while this is generally true I lead you to the 1926 medicine prize which was given to a guy who discovered a parasite that caused cancer he was the disproven soon after the prize was awarded.
It really makes me sad that so many people who deserved Nobel price didn't get it because of some stupid rules. Also, I feel like the price itself lost its importance along the way. How can you take serious a committee that notices great peace of work half a century after it's been published, when many people who worked on it already passed away?
We also call the force unit Newton and we have other units and equations and elements and all sorts of other stuff named after famous scientists/people. It's just common to do that, nothing special here.
I think that guy's adorableness deserves the peace prize
The look on his face when he enters the room at LHC is just priceless! :) Great video Brady! If I could give it ten likes, I would.
we traditionally do it on the day, but this was not possible this year because the guy who makes the videos was travelling!
Feynman's take on the Nobel Prize is spot on. Can you really compare the awe of unveiling the nature of our universe with some arbitrary prize?
The prize itself has a meaning. That he achieved something great. Its not something to look at and say what a beautiful prize but to show you that the person who got it has done something big.
@@aragon1237 you're both right!
Peter Hiigs came to Durham uni today and gave a lecture about the history of his work. Amazing work.
"The prize is the pleasure of finding the thing out, the kick in the discovery, the observation of people using it. Those are the real things, the honours are unreal to me." Richard P. Feynman
Prof. Merrifield - straight to the point, pragmatical and rational. "As scientists we have our responsibility, not only to discover stuff but to tell the world what's the stuff we discovered". I've never thought about Nobel Prizes as some achievement awards or competitions, it's just a great PR for science - and it's doing its job very well, better than every other science popularization project i can think of.
being part of the sixty symbols chanel is like the collective reward equivalent of receiving the Nobel prise.
Thanks for another awesome video Brady. Few days ago I complained for not enough sixty symbols videos! Professor Ed and Mike are my favorites too! good work
Surely these big organisations like CERN can host their own kind of awards, not an official one or anything like that but surely they could reward their research teams, because the idea of the Nobel prize wouldn't fit giving it to a group, but you can reward a group and the organisation is the thing to do it
because they have been working on the same subject for years and came to the same conclussions, they just read the paper of higgs and englert while they were finishing their publication and found some similarities, so they cited them in their paper. they probably didn't call it the Higgs mechanism though.
The man who formulated Preparation A, Preparation B, Preparation C, Preparation D, Preparation E, Preparation F and Preparation G never got any credit for his work. He paved the way for Preparation H !!! Poor man died penniless, alone and forgotten.
I think the Nobel committee's attitude is as follows: a certain number of scientists working together made a discovery. We honour (this is very simplified) a maximum of three living scientists and we try to make it based on priority of publication. There isn't a queueing system whereby if some authors of earlier papers drop out of the list of winners due to death, their places are taken by people who published their work later. Therefore the people waiting to be honoured (waiting for the evidence to confirm their theories) for the mass mechanism have always been, in order, Englert and Brout, and Higgs, and in terms of priority Kibble, Guralnik and Hagen never made the cut. This did not change when Brout died, consquently Englert and Higgs get the prize.
It's always been like this - Penzias and Wilson discovered a background radiation they couldn't explain until they talked to cosmologists who had made finding the Cosmic Microwave Background their lives' work. But P & W published their discovery first so it could then be cited in multitudes of papers by the actual cosmologists. Penzias & Wilson won the Nobel, not the cosmologists, because of priority.
Sixty Symbols has done many videos about the Higgs mechanism. Search the channel. This video is specifically about this year's Nobel prize winners.
I don't get why people are disliking your comment... If anything, you're a loyal sub for knowing that, and asking politely.
The all-important instrumentalists in the orchestra are rarely even mentioned. Only the composer, the conductor and, possibly, the arranger are lauded. That's just the way it is.
great honesty from Mike at the end; definitely matters whose shoes you are walking in.
We can find out to whom the prize was awarded and for what in any number of ways, but only here do we get to hear the perspective of The Professors. Too bad there isn't a Nobel Prize for astronomy. Great video, Brady.
There are already quite a few videos on this channel about the Higgs, LHC, etc.
I think the fact of the matter is that those deserving scientists already have their recognition within the physics community. I think most of them believe that that is enough. I would certainly be satisfied if I earned widespread respect within my field, even if it did not come with more public acknowledgment.
"To award this year's prize, we got the thousands of physicists who worked on this project out of bed in the middle of the night, herded them into a room the size of a high-school gymnasium, and did a sort of reverse Rutherford experiment. The three scientists who got (hit by) the Nobel prize for demonstrating the existence of the Higgs Boson are..."
I'd want to know if Professor Ed Copeland and Professor Mike Merrifield had the choice to decide who got the noble prize for a different discovery/work in physics who would they give it to.
Great insight on the awarding process for the noble prize. I really liked this video (:
Why is there discussion of who won and not the actual physics? Very disappointing.
Merrifield explains the purpose of the Nobel prize well in this video. Props.
What this shows you is that the famous names in science would have been replaced by others within a short time
Thanks for your reply. Good luck.
What is this 'The Archive' that he is talking about in the video? Sounds very interesting!
there is a video on the higgs mechanism in the same channel.
love the last bit ;)
Explain those three papers and part of the story sixtysymbols!
Why is it the higgs field if englert first wrote a paper? or do the frenchies call it 'le champ de Englert'?
+j9312 Englert is Belgian, not French.
If I'm not mistaken, Peter Higgs was actually the first to predict a particle resulting from the theoretical mechanism he and the other five colleagues developed. In fact, Higgs' first draft of the paper was rejected by the journal. After he added a concrete prediction of a particle in the second draft, the paper was accepted. Hence the association of the field (and the corresponding particle) to his name.
Hey Brady, what ever happened to the women of Sixty Symbols?
I was just watching some of your older videos and I almost forgot how much I loved Dr Gray and Dr Bauer!
The man will be missed. One of the last and best of that generation
Soo what did they do to get the nobel prize? As far as I understood, the only thing they spoke of was how they got the nobel prize in 1964, or am I missing something?
I am just wondering, why do why call it the Higgs mechanism? I rather doubt Higgs refferred to it by his name in his paper. Why did we just name it after one of the people working on it?
Hey Brady, are you having fun linking all your TH-cam channels with their Google+ accounts? :P
Honestly, I used to think that people who won the nobel thought of the idea themselves. Until I watch this video.
I know, but a case can be made that it should be.
Ed, I know Hagen (University of Rochester, USA), and he always got grumpy when others referred to this work as the Higgs mechanism. I think Hagen's proposed name for it was the EBHGHK mechanism as an acronym of the last initials of the six authors.That name may have been difficult to pronounce.
Footage feels different. New camera?
No, the peace price isn't the same as the science prices. Norway was given the peace price from Sweden when Sweden gave Norway its independence as a gesture of good faith. Since then, the peace price has a totally different organisation and rules for giving out the price.
FINALLY!!! The month long wait is over!!!!
Why isn't the Nobel prize awarded posthumously? That doesn't seem fair!
is the second dudes shirt inside out? if it is he must be brilliant in whatever field he is working in.
Totally didn't want to hear about any science when I clicked on this video....NOY
Yes, and why can't they name Brout as one of the nobel prize winners posthumous?
I think he's referring to Ed's sore eye... if it was sore or...?
Professor Copeland is so soft-spoken..got to pay more attention when he speaks,but he is very sweet :)
You're talking about the Nobel Peace Prize.
4:18 that look of pure joy
this video is too late, last year your video was faster,why?
C'mon boy's. His name is Brady - let's give HIM the recognition he deserves. lol.
Fields medal videos?
also congrats to those that won the (lesser) Physics Frontiers Prizes and New Horizons in Physics Prizes
fundamentalphysicsprize(dot)org/news7
So, wait, if Guralnik Hagen and Kibble read Higgs and Englert's paper before submitting their own, how could they have discovered the Higgs mechanism? They'd already read a paper on it
Brout got R.I.P. award.
If I was Higgs or Englert, I would get a mechanic to split the medal into 4, and give each person one of the 4 pieces and keep 1 for myself.
What if you were that 4th person?..
There would be three murders mouahahahah
Yeah, but still, why? Ad why not any of the other guys?
I have a strange question, has somebody ever checked what happens with the higs-field under the circumstances of expanding space like it does between galaxies?
Disappointed in you :( It is the higgs-englert-brout mechanism (and not the higgs like you said)! And it should have been the Englert-Brout Boson
Feynman's position on the Nobel Prize seems to be the most noble stance to take. Scientific advancement of our race is the only honor we need be concerned with. But I sympathize. It would be nice to get a nobel prize.
Please Make A Video About Tree Theory!
what about 2017 and 2016??
oh Brady...
Why can't they give the prize to Bout's family?
6:21, listen and laugh
I would have liked to hear more the the facts first, and then heard the other 50% other who should have won information. Although I agree, more should have been recognized in the Nobel Prize.
After reading through the comments I have an idea:
A top 10 of most inappropriate comments on scientific videos
What does the nobel peace prize have to do with scientific acknowledgement?
acknowledgment!!!! If Einstein was staying alone on Mars he would have never gone into deep thoughts!! There would be no one to acknowledge his work. Nobel Prize is the highest!
The guy? Being Brady?
You don't seriously believe that the Peace prize and the Physics prize is awarded by the same people..?
I'm sure it isn't what Nobel intended when he wrote his will.
they are in deep sky videos if i'm not mistaking
I think they have covered the science in another video.
beautiful ^^
Cornell Library runs arxiv(dot)org. Where everyone sends their pre-published papers nowadays.
It's like Santa Claus taking a vacation on Christmas. It makes the kids cry.
great ending, so true
Brady,please do a video about the fluid physics :D
I have more than a passing interest in physics!
Yes while this is generally true I lead you to the 1926 medicine prize which was given to a guy who discovered a parasite that caused cancer he was the disproven soon after the prize was awarded.
Oh!! missed it again. hmm........
The really funny thing is the green book in the back ground. English humour I presume
***** you could not find a better reply. Please put also the Bible and you shall reach the highest level of admiration and understanding.
+Ghislain Ruy-Longépé "The CMS of Creation"? :-)
How is this marked as spam? It's an honest question, met with a funny answer.
neat.
hehe true, even englert got some charisma going for him. higgs is just the serious type of scientist.. and it takes all kinds! :D
Am I the only one who gets a really weird feeling when Prof. Ed talks?
This sounds like the process for generating power by recieving light in solar cells.
I love how everybody is mad at Brady
good point guys, Nobel prizes show not be given to a large collective but should go to individuals.
It really makes me sad that so many people who deserved Nobel price didn't get it because of some stupid rules. Also, I feel like the price itself lost its importance along the way. How can you take serious a committee that notices great peace of work half a century after it's been published, when many people who worked on it already passed away?
submitted papers that are not yet been published.
if I was one of those 3 guys, I'd share with the other two
Y-yes, there is, but he's talking about people breaking through in 1964. Why would they get a prize today? >.>
Well yeah, but that's coming from the guy who could hardly be cooler. To us mortals, it matters quite a bit :P
Uhm is it just me or professor Ed's left eye is somehow sore?
Why do none o'ye have a good "wilt's" accent??
nope.avi
We also call the force unit Newton and we have other units and equations and elements and all sorts of other stuff named after famous scientists/people. It's just common to do that, nothing special here.