1.8T Oil Change DIY | Extractor vs Drain Method
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- Today we show you how to do an oil change on our MK7 Alltrack 1.8T (MQB). We also compare the traditional method with the oil extractor method. This DIY would look almost identical on any VW or Audi model with the current 1.8t engine, as well as all MQB models with the 2.0t.
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There's always significant oil left in an engine after the drain or extraction process. All the oil downstream of the oil pump remains in the engine - oil passages throughout the block and head, the pump itself, etc. Check the oil capacity data after "rebuild" vs. the normal oil change. So there's no point in being obsessive, you'd have to disassemble the entire engine to drain all the oil.
Exactly but there is still that anti extractor crowd, no matter how hard u try u will never convince them.
If you use oil flush and let it drain really well, you will get pretty much all of of it out because even when it gets cold, it will flow like water. It completely destroys oil.
If you take it to the shop for an oil change, they never allow the oil to full drain before putting the drain plug back….I’m sure they leave more residual oil in the engine than the extractor does. Always change your own oil, even with an extractor.
Great video showing how much oil you're leaving behind
I have used oil extractor for over 20 years, Started when i purchased my 01 330ci bmw, I only removed the drain plug once, I still have the car and drive it, its not my main mode of transport these days but still love the car, it has over 240k on the motor and runs great. I use the extractor on everything, with a magnetic drain plug like u said it will catch the metal contaminants. That small amount of oil left gets diluted down and isnt much more than the residual oil left behind anyways. When u change the oil with the extractor and with how easy it is, u will stay on top of ur oil changes. I get there is always going to be that group that will argue against them, and that is fine, U do u and i will do me, I am more than satisfied using an extractor vs getting under the car every oil change to remove the plug.
I am supposed to be turning my 330 into a project car, other than the high mileage it is in great shape, when i pull the motor to rebuild it, i will take plenty pics for the anti extractor crowd.
I've been using my oil extractor for 12+ years, any engine with the oil filter located on top is a good candidate. Tip: find the end of the dipstick at the bottom of the engine and if you have a driveway with some inclination, position the car so that the oil dipstick side of the engine is at the lowest point.
Xavier Lemos good idea. Will use it next time
@@Chris-dy1cb
Furthermore, if you don't have a driveway with some inclination, get a pair of ramps and use them accordingly. Still beats going under the car and also removing the belly pan/cover.
The incline sounds like a good idea, thanks!
What if you don't have a dip stick? Like bmw that oil is measured electronic? 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
@@giannispets
You can look for the drain plug to position the car with ramps or jack stands at the lowest point of the engine so that most of the oil will drain.
just put a half a quart of fresh oil and then suck that out.
I absolutely love oil extractors. Since the (2004) introduction of 4-stroke watercraft that required an oil extractor as the only means to remove the oil I have been using one on all my vehicles regardless of oil filter location. Performing an automatic transmission service and vacuuming the fluid out before you remove the pan saves time on messy clean ups too.@!
The vacuum pump also allows you to suck out the oil at the bottom of the filter housing (which i have found to be quite a bit)
The advantage of the oil extractor pump is for a DYI it is very easy to do and you stay clean too. I change the engine oil at half the set interval. I don't believe in long change intervals with a 1st gen GDI engine. Besides with my car's engine, the difference between methods was only 100mL anyway. Leaving some undrained oil is not then IMO an issue.
please like you are the reason third world countires pay hefty amounts for the oil
I just did my first top side oil change and for me the only difficulty was finding the bottom of the oil pan. To overcome this problem I moved the drain tube up/down once I had bubbles in the line. I did manage to find a little extra oil so I'm sure I got as much as I would have by draining. There will always be old oil clinging to the motor parts so IMHO there's no controversy. I'm much happier not having to crawl under the car and get dirty.
If you want to extract 100% of old oil just add 200-500ml of fresh oil through the oil filter housing and extract it too.
Oleg Angheluta I do that as well.
Oleg, there is much more oil still left in an engine. In these modern engines, unlike engines of yesteryear, they retain much more oil than you think. Do an oil analysis with Particle Count, and sample the old oil, new oil and then the new mixture after driving for 20 km. You will be surprised how dark it is and how many particulates and other contaminents are in the engine.
@Hitman who is wasting two hours and doing what.
Brian Sydnes I got an E 250 CDI, I did both drain and extract, all the time I got out the same amount of oil. I agree, to drain it may be better but in my case, I have to unscrew 10 -20 bolts to take off the plastic protection underneath which is not easy then I have to fit them back.
If you service your car well, shouldn’t be dirty and debris in the engine.
On my wife's car, I drain the oil all the time because is very easy to do it is an SX4.
Genious
To get 100% of the oil out a proper engine removal and teardown is required. When i get my oil changed i settle for nothing less.
I love DAP and you guys have some of the most entertaining and educational content but I’ll never hop on the oil extractor train.
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For Mercedes, the suction extraction method is the approved method. On my 2004 Sl600 with a twin turbo V12, there is no "Dip Stick Tube" per say, but there is an EXTRACTION TUBE (there is no dip stick), and the extraction tube goes all the way to the bottom of the DEEPEST PART of the PAN.
When you do the test on a Mercedes, you get only a drop or two when plan plug is removed. You check the oil level electronically via the computer-informant screen inside the car.
For Mercedes, it is the the preferred method. for other cars, you would need to find where the deepest part of your pan is and use the largest diameter extraction tube that fits into your dipstick while your oil is warm.
O, one more important point, for the Mercedes extraction tube, you DO NOT PUT a extraction tube DOWN INTO IT, rather YOU ATTACH the SUCTION TUBE to the TOP of the Mercedes EXTRACTION TUBE!
Super easy and fast...
Hahaha, thanks for this tip! I just purchased (have not received) a dow industries extractor. It comes with 3 specific adapters, was wondering how they were to be used. So, to summarize certain vehicles (like my VW TDI Touareg) have a dedicated extraction tube? The adaptors are only for extraction tubes, not dipstick tubes?
My son has a 2006 BMW 325i with no dipstick, have not been able to figure out if it has an extraction tube……he’s 18 and is never home😂😂😂😂😂.
I love oil extraction on both my cars with engine under trays... far easier.. and both have top internal filters too so no more crawling under the car and spilling oil from an oil pan !! Yes..u might leave a cupful in the engine but if u r changing the oil reg, it shouldnt matter too much
I wouldn't worry about the 100ml in the pan. There is probably 10x that much still left in the oil pump, inside the cylinder head, oil lines, coolers, turbo, oil galleries and vvt if equipped. i have oil analysis showing retention of wear metals, contaminents, oil sludge, fuel dilution and affecting the viscosity, TBN, oxidation of the new oil within 20km in a 2.4l, I-4 engine. Similar results in other vechicles.. Assuming that a standard spill and fill removes 99% of the old oil. which it doesn't, would you buy a quart of oil that contained 10-20% of used oil of unknown quality and listed wear metals, fuel, and sludge as possible ingredients. Survey says overwhelming, no. Perform a double oil change and replace 99% of the old oil. Similar to a transmission fluid exchange.. In the industrial engine world this is called a Full Volume OIl Change. Keep the flush oil for your next oil change. I have nothing to sell you, only to encourage others to ask questions, like how much and what affect. It well known that the cleanliness of the oil in your engine is directly related to engine performance and longevity. Didn't your car roll of the assembly line with a 100% clean oil? www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/31012/short-volume-oil-changes
How do you clean out oil from the extractor pump after use?
Pump is convenient and works great for my 2007 c280. Pretty much gets all 8.5 quarts of oil out. Put it this way. Doing an oil change either method is better than not doing any oil change. Don't worry about the little left from either method.
I do a drain from bottom method, but added a drain valve instead of the plug ... put on ramps open the valve. Every 5k with filter. 1.9 TDi.
Good info.
Love the metric units 👍🏽
The amount of time that passed between when you finished extracting and when you pulled the plug allowed for more oil to settle in the pan. My bet is if you had waited that long and tried the extractor again you’d have gotten everything that came out through the plug.
bring the energy in your voice a little bit up..
thanks for sharing. we were expecting that you show us how to pull /unscrew the oil filter out.....
Might have been mentioned in other comments? Remove filter first, it would hold aprox 250-300ml, if your worried abaut it. First oil change on family's new (to them) vehicles i will first vacuum oil, then measure drain plug oil amount and make note of it. Without going through a full list... City Golf might leave 200ml in pan. My 06 Camry... maybe 4 - 5 drops! Worked in Automotive repair for 30+ years and manual or air compressor vac is definitely the way to go.
I've used my extractor on my 1.8l tsi VW, love it and the filter location is on the top of the engine. Thanks for the video, I was curious.., how much oil wasn't recovered on each extraction? This video answered that question
So maybe once a year do a “full” pull the drain plug oil change.
Not a bad idea
I find those fluid extractors way way to expensive compared to a $15 12V electric extractor pump
That may not be a lot of oil left behind, but it's a more complete job than the extractor. I'm a little OCD when it comes to vehicle maintenance. So drain plug it is for me.
This is great for a car with a top mounted filter. If your filter is under the car it makes no sense to use one of these really. Might was well remove the drain plug. Unless you want to drain from the top and remove the drain for that last bit. This is still a way cleaner method.
I use an extractor for my S3.
With the top mounted oil filter, I never have to jack up the car. So easy!
I did that test once, few drops came. I have about ten motors to chance oil every year. Oil extractor is top!
I'm amazed how no one is using the super cheap ($40) electric pumps that require zero work and do the job in mere minutes. On my GLI I get as much out of the oil as there was initially in. It takes me about 10 minutes to do the job, less than switching the filter and pouring the new oil in.
Oil change on 1.8tsi? You don't change oil you just are just filling it occasionally. It burns oil faster than the speed of light.
haha
Can’t relate. My 2 2.0t’s and my friends 1.8t don’t burn oil outside of what is normal. Needs a maximum of 1-2 quarts every 10-15,000 miles.
when i owned my vw i did 3k oil changes all the time
My 1.8 hardly needs adding in 10k.
36k currently.
My scirocco 2.0 tsi hardly burns any oil an it's @ 92.000
Just did it to my VW today. Was so convenient compared to lifting it and getting a pan. Should of been doing tbis for years.
There is always some oil in the engine passages that will not come out and should not. It reminds me of how when you drain oil from a transmission most of it is not in the pan. Why did don't torque converters have drains any more? I know some vehicles did and even Mercedes used to do it. You would just have to get the drain hole to turn toward the bottom so you can get he fluid out. I am thinking that the only reason you don't see it any more is cross threading may have been too easy on those and of course you would not want to cross thread a thing like that, it could put a real damper on your day!!
Thanks for the comparison. I have an extra vote but I do prefer the old fashion way of draining from the pan. I use the extractor to get that little bit in the filter housing area. It may not be much oil left when using the extractor but for peace of mind it’s nice getting everything we can out.
The design of some pans don’t actually drain everything out of the plug so you actually get more out with an extractor.
Clearly the best way to drain the oil is out the drain plug, as any dirt will come out with that last bit of oil, otherwise the dirt remains in there to contaminate the new oil. Your choice!
I have a 2005 Mercedes clk320. It doesn’t come with a dipstick. How can I extract the oil out? Thank you.
Thats a 150 mls of seriously shitty oil mixing with you nice clean expensive oil..... the plug is there for a good reason.....
jiffy lube charges me 100 2015 vw passate. I just bought the pump, oil, and filter for 65
Wtf?! Oil extraction? That’s the coolest thing I’ve never heard of.
For those that are afraid to leave a bit of oil in the pan, just remove the filter housing while you are extracting. If you do a good job about it, there won't be but a thimble of oil remaining.
Filter, Extract, and Fill....just do it a little warm - doesn't take much.
Definitely will consider buying the extractor, I must say Im glad I have a TDI with a steel pan. Those plastic drain pans and plugs are so stupid. Last VW i had I swapped one out for an Aluminum pan, much much better.
They should use more metal parts like they did before.
When I use an extractor on my TDI, I have the front wheels on a ramp which drains the oil to the back of the sump. After extracting the oil, I pull the drain plug & get maybe 10 drops draining out. If you can, after pulling the oil filter element, stick the suction hose into the lower passages of the oil filter housing - I get another 1/2L out of there on a 2002 TDI engine.
It wasn't clear to me whether the guy was extracting warm oil or cold ? You get more out & quicker if the car's been up to temp.
There will always be oil left in the engine so you NEVER totally remove all the oil.
Hi do you have a video on the fuel filter replacement? If not where and how many fuel filters does thee 1.8 polo gti has
Hai provato usando una pompa elettrica più potente di quella a pedale? Rimane sempre olio nella coppa anche se poco?
How long should you turn on the car for to ensure the oil flows better when extracting? 5 minutes?
Plastic oil pan, what the German brain made? Trust the plastic in -40 winter?
Thanks for the insight. I just bought an older Mercedes and discovered its going to be a chore to drain the oil. Much easier to pull from the top.
All modern 1.8t’s have a 5.8 quart oil capacity except for the Alltrack, they take 6 quarts
I guess we need to invent something to get the rest of the oil. Why this machine can not suck everything? I don't get it.
I will never understand why they build a car that you have to take half the car apart to change the oil.
Honestly, there's a drain time. If you wait the 5-10 mins it took for him to then drain from the bottom, you can still suck out a little bit more oil. Oil tends to cling to all the walls and parts of the engine and can take several minutes to completely drain to the bottom.
I have had an engine on the stand without the oil pan on. I had a tray under it. I was curious to see how long it would take before it stopped dripping oil. The answer was 4 days. When i pulled it apart i started at the head. It still had oil on the cam and lifters along with valves/springs. It had some oil pooled in different recesses in the head.
Then after removing the head i turned it over and started pulling the rod bolts off. Still was nicely coated with oil on the crank and bearings. Removed pistons and had a slight oil film on the cylinder walls. When i removed the main caps it had a coating just like the rod bearings. When i pulled the crankshaft it drained about 2oz of oil if i had to guess. The bearing half that was on the block had about a pea sized amount of oil on each bearing of the crankshaft.
Point of this is, oil remains in all parts of the engine even after days of draining. I would say about half a quart of oil in total remained in the engine.
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Good to know! ✓
Thanks for sharing. 🙏
@@pospc2 this is true, and a good thing too, otherwise none of those surfaces would be coated at the first moment of cold engine start.
@@realitytunnel i completely understand why its made like this. Was more of making other aware that possibly don't know that engines are made to have oil pool in spots for start up. I also am kinda making a point that no matter which method or how long you leave the drain plug out,you are never going to get all the oil out.
Would you recomend it on a VW passat CC 2008?
I top sided all my Vw's 2.0 Tiguan TSI, 2.0 TDIs (ALH, BEW and CJAA) and my Audi 3.0 TDI. Every last drop can be extracted. Finding the sweet spot for the vac tip is the tricky part. The hotter the oil, the more you can get out. You can even vac drain the filter housing.
I bought a TopSider a few years ago ( basically same except it’s a smaller metal vessel) and have been doing the oil changes on my TSI this way…until today. I bought a cheap 12v pump from The ‘Zon and find it is a lot easier to use. Works pretty much the same as the manual pump or pneumatic extractor, but far less effort. Only caveat is you need a separate container; I just used an old kitty litter jug with a screw top cap, so I can safely and easily take the used oil for recycling.
(I still jack up and crawl under my Miata, as I have to anyway to get to the oil filter.)
I bought TWO extractor pumps on Amazon from different sellers that look exactly like this one. But neither of them works. After pumping 200-300 strokes I am exhausted and only about 0.05 liter has been pumped, and it stops flowing as soon as I stop pumping. Unfortunately I am out of the return window since I was waiting for better weather to go outside and change the oil. Does anyone know what I should do? Does the one from Harbor Freight work?
do you know if you can use a oil extractor on a 2001 diesel ALH engine code? thanks.
WatchRJgo did oil suck on a Civic and had a bit more oil out than doing drain plug. I guess it depends on the engine design. 150ml on 6 liter ... not bad. More convenient - lot less messy.
Why is it not necessary to replace the small seals on the adapter valve ? even the workshop manual don't even require a replacement. I find this puzzling. Every other kit comes with the small seals but not this one.
I was seeing oil change vids on some Toyotas and was seeing the oil filter having to be accessed in the wheel well. That is you have to take a tire off to get to it. Some Nissans are like that too. Possibly some Hondas may be that way too. I don't own a Toyota or Honda but I find it fun seeing how other people have to do theirs. It also in that regard left me realizing that there are some cars to avoid because of that terrible design choice. I don't think that anyone should have to remove a wheel to change the oil. It just seems very asenine to me that they would design a vehicle in such a way. Now I know when I shop for my next vehicle whenever that is, research how to change the fluids on that specific one. It may be enough to make you decide on a different vehicle even from the same manufacturer that is not designed in such a bizarre way. It would seem to me they only did those things to make it difficult so you might take it to a dealer to get it done for a huge markup. Why else would they do a thing like that?
I just ordered on of these as my Q3 and Ml350 has filters ontop . My A4 has the filter on the bottom so i might just do this to get most of the oil out then jack it up to remove the rest. Question do you think if you jack one side of the car up to have the oil drain to one side do you think the oil extractor would remove more of the remaining oil?
Could you have pressure vac from the filler port?
I think some older cars has a one way valve, which would pinch your line when you try to pull it out.
This is an excellent video. I don't own any VW/VAG vehicles, nor do I intend to, but I've always been curious about the extractor method and how much oil it leaves behind. This is perfect!
Please show which tools (and their bit sizes) are required to do the job, and where can we buy it?
If it wasn't for DIY, we wouldn't have seen the video.. Thank you
Thank you very much!! This was the video I needed to see to make a decision on buying a pump or not. I’m buying the pump 🤙
Great vid, thank you. I get a little OCD about that leftover oil with the top extractor too but I’ve also just moved to where I have very little, flat space. Wondering if a bit of fresh oil I would help pump the last of the gunk out? Also, if no slope, one could put the rear wheels on the lifters to mimic a driveway slope?
Does anyone know what you would do If your car does not have a dipstick and only has an electronic oil measure? Can you drain the oil from the oil filler cap??
You still didn't drain all of the oil because the drain plug is on the side, not the bottom of the oil pan. I'd rather get all of the old dirty oil out, for piece of mind.
The only reason why I'm extracting is because i don't have garage where to pull it up and drain.
I am on a fence between the draining method and the extracting method. If the oil filter is on top the extracting method is preferable, perhaps. Likewise, if the oil filter is on the bottom it makes sense to drain from the bottom. You are going to make a mess anyways, perhaps. For those who extract from the top you might rethink this method. When draining from the bottom the oil flows out including metal particles from engine wear that sits on the bottom of the pan. Extracting oil from the top might miss all these metal particles. If I do an oil change I want to make sure most of the metal particles are drained as well. But we can argue and say that's what the oil filter is for.
I have a question. Does MQB VW's have the plastic oil pan only? My B7 NMS Passat has a metal one.
I think the problem with the negligible amount is that it has a higher concentration of debris than the oil extracted.
Hey I have a 2015 GTI it's at 126000 km and it seems to burn a bit of oil what may cause this?
150 is to much its a bad edea with the top
Thank you for the great video brother!!!! 👍👍👍
So, never buy a VW, got it.
What happens if the hose breaks off as you are sucking the oil? How was you retrieve it?
So now. How do you reset your oil life indicator? Lol
We have videos on that here th-cam.com/video/kelIbqkYhUQ/w-d-xo.html
150 mil of used residue oil left over..I wouldn't worry about it
Hay que ver qué pijos son los de los VW madre mía...
Hi, can you guys help me with the part number of the Oil filter housing?
Why are your video's loud with the exit? I got neighbors...
That funnel dripping at 9:44. 🙄
Good eye! I didn't spot that.
I have always wondered about using an oil extractor. This was great information. I guess the extractor would work the same on all makes and models.
Keep up the great content.
Dave J
Extractor method really only makes sense with engines that have top mounted oil filters.
@@RobertLeBlancPhoto if you are going to have to change the filter when you change the oil you are not leaving any additional old oil in the engine. Can you explain why you think so? I'm just looking for information and could be wrong.
Thank you! I just purchased a 19' Alltrack S. This is my second VW, I had a 01' Jetta Wolfsburg years ago.
I'm happy I found your channel and I'm loving the DIY help. I want to keep my VW maintained as best as I possibly can.
I just used it! My capacity is 6 quarts I pulled 6 quarts. Works a treat! Also no more removing that God dang belly pan since my filter is on top as well.
snap on ratchet? just curious that is all :)
Curious I have a 15 Passat TDI since they moved the filter to be accessed from below the car I assume just draining is the best way to change the oil. How about a video on it?
the oil filter cap stick on my 2017 passat 1.8T was separated from the filter housing when i removed it. i inquired with multiple vw service dealers and they said that some of them came like that from factory and its not broken. but ur saying in the video that one will have to buy a whole new filter housing? confused...hhmm.....ALSO in my passat the drain plug is a hex shape ..and not plastic...why does VW does soooo many different variations in similar engines across models. Other manufactures do not do that
German cars never make any sense
Thank for you the links to everything. What kind of shop light do you guys have that is lighting up the engine bay? Is it a free standing light or what?
When did VW start putting the oil filter on the top of the 1.8T? Isn’t the a 2.0T engine? And 6L capacity on the 1.8T? By the way, suctioning oil out is the approved method for changing oil on a Mercedes.
Ok! I learned something new. VW made an anemic 1.8T.
Go away
It's not the amount of oil left behind which bothers me, it's the fact that it's the most contaminated oil, with any particles which might be present, which will naturally sink lowest, to the bottom of the sump pan. Draining in the traditional way, from underneath, drains this crud off first with cleaner oil from above 'flushing' anything which is left over. In addition, although there isn't much left over, you still have 150ml of the dirtiest oil in the system instantly contaminating your new oil and filter element. To really go to town on the difference between the two methods, it would be fascinating to see some kind of oil analysis of the crud which was leftover from the vaccuum method to measure for particulates, etc. and also how quickly it deposits these on the new filter element. My impression, from watching this, is that the top-drain method is great news for VW workshops to keep servicing times and costs down, but bad news for the engine long-term.
It's not the dirtiest oil. It circulates continuously so what's left is identical to what came out.
Hey there, does this engine belong un the Mk3 Seat Leon 1.8tsi 2013?
Cheers
Hello, How do you clean up the extractor after use?
Dunno about the idea of adding further weight ahead of the front axle with a bullbar 🤔
If we do the oil extractor, don't we still have to change the drain plug o-ring? Or can that step be skipped since using the extractor means we don't have to loosen the plug?
ajyn17 no, that plug can go for way more miles than you think.
Hello! I would like to see the sparkplug change, are you thinking to make a video about it?