I find with conspiracy theorists, the best thing to do is to one-up them. If they say, "The Titanic and Olympic were switched" I'd just be like, "Oh you actually believe the Titanic existed?"
Yes! Exactly! And when they doubt you, you ask "why don't you believe?" or just use the same tactics to "punch holes" in their arguments against your theory like: "sure they exist, I've seen photos of them" then you reply "you mean photoshop" 😂
exactly, these people are so stupid to ask any questions or not to trust the narrative of people who lied before, just follow the herd, work, pay your bloody taxes, obey the laws, conform, and STFU, oh, and trust the science, because "math is reality"
A nice hour long documentary on the most significant / key events ( in your opinion ) of each of these ships , from their maiden voyage, to hitting the sea floor, would be super cool. I hope your videos keep gaining popularity as you do a really good job mate. Lots of respect from the UK 👌👍
Note that Titanic and Olympic are not 100% identical. On Titanic, they enclosed her promenade deck which where open on Olympic. This is just one of the cosmetic changes made to Titanic
Sad that we need a video debunking this. We have photographs taken by Robert John Welch in March 1912 showing several state rooms on B Deck designed specially for Titanic. We also have photographs by Welch of the private promenades for the suites also on B Deck that were not on the Olympic. Differences between RMS Olympic and RMS Titanic. Boat Deck. - The forward wall for the wheelhouse was straight on the Titanic (Curved wall on the Olympic). - Bridge wings extended over the side of the superstructure on Titanic which allowed for crew to see past the lifeboats looking aft. (Not added to Olympic until after Titanic sank). - Bulwarks on the Titanic were made of steel. (Made of wood on Olympic). - The wireless room was located amidst ship on the Titanic, while the room on Olympic was located on the port side of the Officers Quarters (this was changed after Titanic sank). - In the spot where the wireless room was on the Olympic, the Titanic had two cabins added on port and three on the starboard side. The three aft end officers cabins on the starboard side were moved to different locations in the officers quarters. - The gate that separated the 1st Class Promenade from the Officer's Promenade was moved further forward and was located between Lifeboats 3 and 5 on the starboard side and Lifeboats 4 and 6 on the port side. (On the Olympic, the gate was located next to the First Class Entrance further aft). - Vents, Cowls, and other machinery were re-positioned or added on Titanic. - A box (believed to be a sand filter for water purification) was located just forward of the last window on the starboard side of the 2nd Class Entrance. - In the Titanic's Gymnasium, the rowing machine was positioned forward of the middle column. A bench and wardrobe were added to room, and the countries on the world map in the illuminated sign were outlined differently than on the Olympic. - The forward stairways on the boat deck were open on Titanic. (Olympic featured semi-circular coverings). A Deck. - The enclosing of the forward half of the A Deck Promenade and the addition of a wall with a window and door to the forward section of the promenade was the most easily seen difference. On Olympic, the A Deck promenade remained open along its entire length. - The First Class Smoking Room featured the painting "Plymouth Harbor" (The painting "Approach to the New World" hung over the fireplace on Olympic). Furniture for the room was dark red on Titanic. (Dark green on Olympic). - Two first class staterooms were added in the 1st Class Entrance, on either side of the Aft Grand Staircase. - Space heater added next to the door leading to the Smoke Room Bar in the Starboard Veranda & Palm Court. B Deck. - First class staterooms were expanded to the sides of the ship. A largely unused promenade took up this area on the Olympic. - Window spacing was different where staterooms and the private promenades were located at. - Both of the parlor suites had private promenades added. - The Café Parisian was added on the starboard side. (Not added to Olympic until 1913). - The Restaurant Reception Room was added in the area around the Aft Grand Staircase. - The Restaurant was expanded on the port side. (Done to the Olympic in 1913). - Galley and pantry for the Restaurant were expanded. - 2nd Class Promenade was much shorter. C Deck. - Aft end of the Firemen's Mess Room on the starboard side in the bow was enlarged (two unidentified rooms were included in this space on Olympic). - Starboard crew corridor in the bow, extended aft to match the port side arrangement. Two lockers included in this added space. - Two first class cabins are added to the port side near the Grand Staircase. (A cloakroom was located in this space on the Olympic). - 2nd Class Covered Promenade enlarged. (Olympic featured separate rooms on both port and starboard, near the aft entrance and fans). - Emergency door included on the aft wall between the Third Class Smoke Room and the Steering and Gear Room. D Deck. - Reception Room in 1st Class was larger on Titanic and it featured extra columns. - The First Class Entrances were also shortened on Titanic to allow for the expansion of the Reception Room. - The forward wall that separated the Reception Room from the Dining Room featured three wide windows. (Olympic featured five arched windows per wall). - Elevator grills on the Titanic were different in design, compared to those on the Olympic. E Deck. - Open berths were featured for trimmers in the bow. (shared cabins on Olympic). - Two spiral staircases added in firemen space in the bow. (Olympic featured straight stairs). - Washroom and bathrooms added on port and starboard sides of the fireman's quarters in the bow. - Women's lavatory added in 3rd Class on starboard side, left of the Bunker Hatch. (Stewards berth in this space on Olympic). - Removal of staircase and rearrangement of cabins/lavatories for waiters and kitchen staff on the port side, just aft of the reciprocating engine casing and watertight bulkhead. - Possibly the addition of a watertight door next to the potato store room on the port side. F Deck. - Titanic's Turkish Bath Cooling Room was re-positioned away from the hull. (Cooling room was longer and was flush with the hull on Olympic). - The two Shampoo Rooms and Electric Bath positioned next to each other on the starboard side. More suited in individual use and in proximity to the pool. - The stairs leading into the pool on Titanic featured tiled sides, while the stairs on Olympic were open underneath. - The clock on the forward wall of the swimming bath (pool) was positioned differently on the Titanic than on the Olympic. - Four extra cabins were added on the port side just down the hall from the Turkish Baths, past the stairs leading up to E Deck. G Deck. - Cabins added in two areas in the bow around the No. 2 Hatch for 3rd Class. (Open berths were featured in this area on Olympic). Other changes/differences. - Rear facing pipes on Titanic's third funnel ran higher than those on the Olympic. - Placement of doors, portholes, etc. throughout the ship. - Titanic's center propeller likely featured four blades instead of three. - Titanic Yard Number- 401. Olympic Yard Number- 400.
Sam really seems like the most genuine and honestly nicest creator on TH-cam. I really enjoy his videos and his passion for historic ships. Great channel Sam. Hope you continue to have success.
Like most sisters (even with twins), Titanic and Olympic may have shared a familial resemblance, but there were plenty of details that could be used to tell them apart. If you know where to look, there are stark differences between the two, especially in the interiors.
The Titanic looked bigger, fatter. To completely switch the interiors and exteriors in 40 days when it took months and years to build them originally is impossible. The sunk on purpose because Astor and Guggenheim opposed Morgan's central bank plan is still more plausible, but again far-fetched.
There was no switch, I hate when people say they look the same look at A deck there's a big difference, the only thing I believe in is the fire in the coal bunker
eh, yeah, if it was before the mid-'90s. since then all the mainstream 'documentary' channels went to drama reality nonsense with no data/information, why I'm here and gave up the TV years ago.
Sam missed the boat on that one. Why do research and pay historians when you can make reality TV nonsense and get the same or better ratings. I used to love watching the history Channel.
Paul Gallicos wrote The Poseidon Adventure actually as a protest against something going on at the time. For a century or more ocean liners were the way to make transatlantic travel, however, with the advent of jet passenger planes that could make the trip in hours instead of days, ocean liners became obsolete quite quickly. In the book, published in 1969, the Poseidon was on her last voyage before she began her voyage to the scrap yard. The demolition had actually begun on the Poseidon and some bulkheads had been taken out, making the ship unstable. In the book, a square mile of ocean floor suddenly dropped due to an earthquake. The Poseidon was in the center of this. The sudden drop, the water rushing in from all sides and the instability led to the ship capsizing. The book was published in 1969. The Queen Mary made her final voyage in 1968. Her sister ship at the same time. The SS United States had been laid up since 1965. Other ocean liners were laid up, scrapped, or converted to cruise ships at the same time. The ocean liner industry died an ugly death in the late 1960's. Paul Gallicos tapped into an unfolding tragedy in progress to create a real page turner of a book turned into a gripping movie. What zombieguy might be referencing is that the ocean liner/cruise ship HMS Queen Elizabeth 2 was hit by a rogue 95 foot wave that came out of nowhere while the ship traveled through the "Bermuda triangle" in 1995. This led to an in depth scientific investigation that concluded that where ocean currents collide there are massive rogue waves that come out of nowhere and massive whirlpools as well. The ancient mariners were correct, not making up stories about these events.
@@The_Dudester Did you even read the book? In the book (NOT THE 1972 MOVIE), the ship was converted into a cargo/cruise ship after being sold to her new owners in the late 60s. The renamed Poseidon started her maiden voyage from Lisbon on a month long Christmas cruise between Africa and South America. Her conversion as a cargo ship was to tripe her cargo space, removing lower-class and crew cabins on the bow and stern. This was one of her mayor causes to capsize. On her last leg, she was two-thirds empty of fuel, empty of cargo and improperly ballasted. She was dangerously top heavy. And one wave was enough. The 1972 version was different from the book, Poseidon sailed on her last voyage from New York to Athens for scrap. I think you have mixed them both.
I found some coal on the bank of the creek in my grampa's pasture today (he has an open coal vein in his pasture) and it was so cool to hold the same material that fueled these ships. I hadn't really handled coal before, so I felt like I was holding a bit of history! Also, it was cool to see the wood grain from the plants that made up the coal. So much natural force went into turning those plants into the piece of fuel I was holding. Science and history are so cool!
Also, if you look at the wreckage of Titanic, it's propeller blade is marked 401, so that is proof that Titanic is sitting at the bottom of the Atlantic not Olympic
numbers can be switched in books so not very reliable , however a conspiracy needs to be kept to a small group in order to be successful , so if add in all the construction workers then the Olympic crew , it becomes and impossible secret conspiracy to pull off
@@thunderrobots1980s My mom is 1000,000,000% Convinced that Olympic is on the bottom of the North Atlantic. It's always the same 'they swapped the propellers! 401 is OLYMPIC!' I'm like 'No, Titanic's Promenade is enclosed, Olympic's Promenade is Open.'
@@thunderrobots1980s No, no they can't. The yard numbers are established and used by the shipyard for design and construction long before a name is ever even given to a ship. It would mean changing the paperwork on many tens of thousands of documents, not just a few books. The numbers wouldn't be enough since the propellers on Olympic and Titanic used different pitches as part of an experiment that White Star Line and Harland and Wolff were conducting to see what worked best for fuel efficiency, lower vibration, etc. And pulling and replacing those blades off the bosses required a lot of time and work. It took a week for a single thrown propeller blade to be replaced on Olympic. Now imagine how long it would take for six blades, plus the single-cast center propeller!
Not only that, there is a hotel in the UK that bought some of the decor and furnishings from the Olympic when she was scrapped. There are pictures of them being installed, and you can clearly see them labeled "400" on the back of the panelling pieces.
And also, Titanic had more cabins on the new enclose deck that was open on Olympic, so they would've had to build those too in a few days.. Hope my english makes sense haha Saludos from Argentina Sam, love your content! congrats to your sister
@J Tommy ohh it's true, my teacher taught me that! haha thank you, sometimes i think in spanish and try to write in english 😅 I'm from Buenos Aires province, I live in a rather small city called Pergamino.. Thank you for your coment Tommy🥰
not evidence, they only needed to install the walls, titanic was not sold out, at a time when everyone wanted to travel to the US, easy explanation, the extra cabins weren't finished, they could make it appear they were simply by having 40-50 officials book passage and then cancel at the last minute. you only need to change the outside over a few months, then in the 44 days the ships are together fill-in the deck layout and finish public areas like the cafe and bars etc, titanic, now being badged as olympic with a "injury" needing repair meant they had time to fit out titanic to olympics old layout as they didn't need to launch it as soon as the "titanic maiden voyage date" so they had time to change that shit.
@@boatscum The angle of each blade (which could be changed by the yard to affect speed) was different. Olympics' and Titanic's blade angles, according to documentation were not the same. Also Titanic's center propeller almost certainly contained only three blades instead of four.
@J Tommy I’ve read it a few times after Olympic was damaged, it ruturned to dry dock for repairs and a new screw and shaft, titanic was near completion but was put on hold while Olympic was repaired fast, and as they had parts in the yard ready to go on titanic.... they simply put a propeller on Olympic that was meant go on titanic, like anyone would to get the ship back out to sea earning a profit
Another thing you could have added to this video. Not only would Olympic and Titanic's interiors have to swapped because of their yard numbers being everywhere, they would also have to be swapped out because they both had a lot of structural differences, which mainly included the layout of their A and B deck designs. Their Turkish baths and Wheelhouses were also different. Their name plates were also engraved into their hulls, meaning there is no way their name plates could be changed. This clearly shoes how even more impossible the switch theory is.
Everybody who says “OmG THe PoRTHOLeS On THE BoW ArE ProOF” don’t consider that both Titanic and Olympic were built with 14 portholes, and when Olympic first sailed she had 14 portholes (there are pictures of Olympic sailing with 14 portholes before Titanic sailed). Titanic on the other hand, had the 2 added on each side of the bow while being fitted out. DISPROVED!
I would love to see you do a video on the history of 1) ideas of how the Titanic could be found, as ideas began to be talked about almost immediately after she sank and 2) the unsuccessful expeditions that searched for the Titanic, such as the 1981 search by Jack Grimm. Awesome videos as always!!!
The earliest insurance scam that anyone has actually records of happened in the 1st century. Have you ever heard, there's nothing new under the Sun? Western society has not really become less scrupulous overtime but rather more so. Keep in mind, in American history there were times when the military was used to slaughter women and children because workers had gone on strike. Look up the Rockefeller massacre. Occam's Razor is a thing.
Yet it would be way more likely & easier to pull off then, because of lack of forensics, cameras, internet, insurance fraud investigators etc...Pretty much everything that exists that can prove a switch occurred, didn’t exist then. I mean people didn’t even have indoor electricity at that time, whose gonna find out these two ships were switched??
In 1985, I personally watched the television news which showed the photographs which were taken of the bow of the ship which showed that some of the letters which spelled "Titanic" had fallen off revealing "Olympic" underneath.
Both of these ships were HEAVILY photographed during construction with a ton of Irish workers in the area, most of which hated building ships for British owners. People really think they're going to keep something like this under wraps?! Titanic had her designer, the White Star Line's BEST captain, AND the president of the company on board. In fact, the owner of International Mercantile Marine that owned the White Star Line, J.P. Morgan was set to be on board the Titanic for the maiden voyage. The only reason he didn't was because he got sick previously. Why would ANY of these high profile people for the White Star Line be on board during what was supposed to be an insurance scam?
Also if the expected it to sink they would have put enough life boats for everyone. Why payout extra insurance to victims if they didn’t have too?!? Yup the switch conspiracy has more jokes than the titanic did!
"OK, I'll need you to hit an iceberg. But before you do, have the wireless guys make sure there's an another ship within 10 miles so we can safely transfer the passengers. Make a sudden sharp turn before the collision with the berg to convince the survivors that you *tried* to avoid it. Be sure to damage the ship enough to sink her, but not so much that it interferes with the evacuation."
It started right before Cameron made this movie, a guy named Robin decided “Ya know? I’m just gonna make a conspiracy theory and hire a professional book guy!”
I hate when people call "conspiracy theories" "dangerous". They aren't "dangerous" they just require more research. Stop believing everything that you hear and do further and deeper research to formulate your own opinion on things. Most people today are to pre-occupied with work, house work, taking kids to activities, and this is why they refuse to do their own research, but stop calling it dangerous. That's just a dismissive way of saying "trust me I've done all the research, you don't have to just believe me" and nothing is more dangerous than that attitude.
Well spoken! Another way to tell the ships apart is by their shell plating. Shell plating is always different even with sister ships, the pattern is basically a ships finger print.
James Cameron inadvertently did quite a bit to dispell the switch theory. When he made his movie there were precious few photos of the interior of Titanic available so he based his set designs on photos of the Olympic. When you take a look at the wreck there are numerous differences. One in particular is the layout of the radio room. Cameron acknowledged that his set design for that particular location was 100% modeled on an Olympic photo. The radio room in the wreck has a completely different layout. The flooring throughout the two ships is another discrepancy. A number of Cameron's Olympic based set pieces feature carpeting but the corresponding locations in the wreck are actually covered with ceramic tile. And of course you have the addition of the al carte restaurant and additional staterooms on Titanic that weren't present on Olympic.
it would also mean they deliberately hit the ice berg... if it took 7 months to fit out olympic, it would take at least 3.5 months to strip her plus 3.5 months to strip titanic followed by 7 months to refit x 2 thats 21 months at the minimum to switch them, add to that all the threats/bribes that would of been required to silence all workers and anyone within view of the ship yard, all of which never happened....... great vid again sam, keep it up
Potential video idea that doesn't really get talked about much: Titanic's near miss with the SS City of New York in Southampton. And thank you for this channel's content, it is extremely well researched and put together, always a joy to listen to!
I only very recently came across your channel a couple months back. You have became my favorite, love how in depth you actually go with every video you upload ❤
Not to mention the outward appearance of the two ships were a tad bit different. Looking at the Promenade decks on the two ships, the Olympic’s upper promenade deck is opened up to the outside while the Titanic’s upper promenade deck is closed off about mid way. Looking at the Titanic’s wreckage, you see the upper deck is closed off like it would’ve been.
The thing I find funny, is they never mention the promenade deck. On the Olympic, it was open, titanic, it was closed! The amount of work to switch that, it would be near the amount to fix that of the Olympic HMS Hawke collision. WOULDN"T MAKE SENSE!
The changes were likely done piecemeal fashion over time and not in one go, maybe the promenande deck but not features like the portholes. Some people seem to think that Olympic's portside bow portholes were given the extra 2 after the Titanic disaster, but if you look at photos (which seem to be very hard to find in hi res - but do exist as I've seen a cropped down version on the switch debunking site), you can clearly see 16 portholes on the portside of the forecastle on the bow in March 1912. Titanic can be seen behind Olympic in the Thompson Graving Dock with her hull partially painted black. These extra portholes were not there during the time Olympic was at sea for her first transatlantic crossings, or when the collision with the Hawke happened in Sept 1911. With all the urgent work needed to get Olympic's propeller blade (or propeller shaft) repaired, why did they go to the extra trouble of adding 2 extra portholes, plus they painted the lifeboats brown around the gunwales which were all white previously. Something weird was going on, like they were trying to make Olympic look more like Titanic and vs versa.
And the damage the Olympic had gotten from her collision with the HMS Hawke wasn’t even entirely repaired during the voyage she was on during the Titanic disaster and she had regained her serious damage because of it when she tried to dash to the Titanic’s rescue which Captain Haddock got unfairly blamed for.
An excellent video Sam...and as most Titanic/Olympic historians know...when Olympics days were done her 1st class dining saloon wood paneling was salvaged and today is in I believe a hotel or such in the UK...all those wood panels would each have Olympics yard number on them. The whole mass production thing about identical units is one of those things that would be a one in a million...or more chance of happening. Options and rework/repairs during assembly would make them different...The biggest visual thing...as already noted was the enclosure of the promenade on Titanic...i believe Ismay had that change done very late in the build as people on Olympic werent shielded from the elements...wind and rain and so forth. Keep up the great videos Sam and Im glad to have helped your sister crack 1K subscribers...as said in the livestream...you have won brother of the year..at least in my eyes. Keep up the great videos :-)
The promenade deck layouts on A Deck were different, and Olympic has another Promenade on B Deck where Titanic had cabins. Also, the fitting in both were different
Well done young Sam! You've helped explain yet another mystery. Sadly though, like the moon landing of 1969, you will never convince some people that the switch never took place!!!
The other big problem with this theory that you don't address here is all the people that would have to be bought off or silenced through threats. Literally tens of thousands, including the 15,000 strong Belfast workers for Harland and Wolff shipyard. And you could see Titanic and Olympic being built for miles around Belfast and people would be wondering what was going on there. And speaking of the 15,000 H&W workers, it has often been misstated that the reason all this work could be done so quickly is because the company had so many workers to get the switch job done with. In fact, they didn't. Many people worked on Titanic and her sisters to build them, but the majority of them were also involved in working on other ships for completely different companies and pulling them to suddenly work on switching Titanic with Olympic would have raised more than a few eyebrows as well as angered long time customers.
@J Tommy It is very difficult, job or no job, to stop people from talking about something, even in wartime. And then you still have explain why other Harland and Wolff customers wouldn't say anything about their ships' construction being very delayed by the pulling of shipyard workers to switch two White Star Line ships.
@J Tommy Olympic never had a Titanic propeller. And she didn't need one of Titanic's, she had sets of spares, as did Titanic. Do you not understand that Titanic and Olympic's propeller blades had a different pitch and therefore could not be swapped between the two ships? The vibrations from such an insane swap would have been very noticeable and uncomfortable to all the passengers and crew.
@J Tommy I have done a great deal of research and I know I'm not wrong. No Titanic propeller was ever on Olympic. The closest it ever came to that was segments of the shaft taken from Titanic. But the pitch on the BLADES was was different and could not be swapped between the two ships.
@J Tommy Not true at all. Harland and Wolff saved a huge amount of materials concerning the Olympic-class ships, both in terms of construction as well as maintenance of them over the more than a quarter century they were in service. We also have lots of third part documentation that covers this. We even know the fate of the spare blades that were intended for Titanic, some of which were melted down to make memorial statues to those lost on the ship. So much of this has also been researched into and you can find all you want by going to Mark Chirnside or Dr. Paul Lee's websites, among many, many others to find what you're looking for. That is, if you really want to.
I have an idea for a video: What if Titanic sank during daytime? Let's suppose the ship has the 6 compartments damaged but is daytime, how would the passenger and crew activities affected the sinking?
1. The differences in Titanic weren’t just cosmetic. For one yes, titanic’s A deck promenade was partially enclosed instead of running the length of the deck as on Olympic. They also found the B deck promenade on Olympic went underused so on Titanic the B deck promenade was scrapped altogether and the staterooms were expanded out to the hull and suites encompassing B52, 54, and 56 on the port side, and B51, 53, and 55 on the starboard were given private promenades only spanning the length of those suites, and the cafe Parisien was also added to Titanic’s starboard where the B deck promenade was on Olympic (aft of the aforementioned suites) and while the cafe parisien was destroyed by the break up, those suites are still very much there. It’s one thing to argue cosmetic enclosures were added to cover up a conspiracy but the amount of work needed to completely rebuild an entire deck of 2 ships would cost more than would be worth it. 2. Olympic didn’t carry one of Titanic’s propellers. Following the collision with HMS Hawke, Olympic returned to Belfast and resources were pulled from Titanic to speed up repairs in the autumn of 1911, including laborers and a propeller SHAFT. The shaft that turns the prop belonged to Titanic but the propeller did not. Titanic had spare propellers made along with the ones eventually fitted to the ship, Olympic would have used her own spares as the propellers were not identical and had different pitches and therefore were not interchangeable. There is also zero documentation, either of the work done or testimony from that period that the propeller itself was taken and used by Olympic. 3. After the catastrophic damage inflicted on Olympic during the incident with Hawke, repairs were made to Olympic, including a turbine shaft from Titanic’s being used. The damage was repaired and she was seaworthy but for the rest of her service life she suffered a series of problems with her crankshaft and a noticeable list to port. 3. Olympic and Titanic’s portholes on the forecastle were the same, not different as has been alleged. Initially this is true. Both ships launched with 14 (the ships were not launched completed, only that the hull had been finished) and 2 more added for extra light during its fitting out; the same configuration was added to Olympic during its 1912 refit. The amount of money it would have cost WSL in man hours, in materials, in paying carpenters and iron workers, in lost revenue from having two ships laid up for such extensive periods of time, in payments needed to keep involved parties quiet would have far outpaced any financial benefit received. Moreover, having two ships of the line running constant transatlantic crossings would have far better improved their financial standing than any insurance payout would have especially considering the financial losses incurred by the money needed to make this conspiracy theory successful. Real conspiracies to commit fraud on such a level only work with a few people involved. The number of people needed for a this to work would include, at a minimum, the entire design team and executives of H&W, hundreds of laborers and carpenters to rebuild the B decks of Olympic and Titanic, the entire executive board of White Star Line, the entire executive board of the Cunard Line to ensure Carpathia and Californian were on standby, Captains Stanley Lord, Arthur Rostron, and Edward Smith, not including the rest of the senior staff of the Titanic and it’s lookouts Fleet & Lee. The number of people would easily be 300 and enough money to buy their silence for life. Occam’s razor applies here. Is it more likely that this vast conspiracy existed to sink a ship for insurance money (a $5 million payout for a ship that cost $7.5 million to build, and cost a $665,000 settlement to survivors & families of the dead) or that a ship sank after an accident?
Also, Titanic had enclosed promenades, Olympic did not. I knew about the yard numbers---400-Olympic, 401-Titanic. Those were on everything, even the prop blades. (Jan Griffiths).
The guy who wrote the book about the switch theory admitted he made the whole thing up. People are always ready to believe any stupid conspiracy theory these days.
The picture of Olympic, you know it’s the Olympic because of the design of the A Deck promenade, how the windows are large, while with titanic the windows are large, but as you reach closer to the bow the windows become smaller, like those on B deck
Yeah i remember when that theory was running rampant and for a while i remember that how can they say they were the same when simply the A and B deck promenade and side windows in the superstructure were different, and that was me as a stupid 12 year old
@@kellydaunis no i was still a happy stupid 12 year old because kid logic was at it's best, found out the hard way when trying to build the olympic in a 1/700 and broke the entire length of the A deck promenade from the superstructure and wonder why it broke when it shouldn't, that's how i figure it out
Y'all know that the Titanic is a little bigger than the Olympic and Britannic because it was the biggest ship of it's time. Just with that alone the theory falls apart.
Ah the biggest problem with this switch theory is that if Olympic was no longer sea worthy and needed repairs then they would have never been able to set sail especially with passengers.
Do a feature on that awesome electrolier that hung in the reception room on the Titanic and the Olympic. The olympic’s is hanging in that London hotel, and I wanna know if the Titanic’s is still down there? You are a great host BTW.
Great video Sam! As per usual. The switch theory is simply nonsensical. But those photographs in the video are really something else. It would have been so amazing and mind blowing to see the Titanic and the Olympic at the same time. I want a time machine lol
The overwhelming evidence speaks for itself. There was no switch... People who simply ignore the evidence for the convenience of their beliefs can’t be helped.
how? you only need to make olympic and titanic look the same on the outside, adding enclosed outer panneling to olympic would have been easy and wouldn't even require it to be in Ireland to do so, any dock could do those kind of welding, then once they look similar get them tot he dry docks in Ireland and remove the bridges, change themes on the ship with a skeleton crew at night, refit the helms in the morning and now you have 2 swapped ships, the titanic(now olympic) gets fitted out to look like olympic inside and has the a and b deck changed to be open, meanwhile they have 44 days to make a and b deck functionally like what titanics plans say, they don't need to finish all the first class cabins as the ship isn't sold-out, all they need to do is finish the shared areas like the cafes and bars. a lick of paint, recapped and loading all 401 gear on later (atlas anything that can float) and bam, scam pulled. off.
@@zeus28frenzy but if you drove the scion off a ship and it sunk to the bottom of the ocean and submarines didn't have windows and cameras, how would the insurance company not know that it wasn't the lamb that sunk but a scion with a lamb body kit on, and if you put a scion kit on your lambs and said oh my poor lamb, I've since upgraded it to have the working parts of a lamb, would they put 2 and 2 together, possibly, except the titanic and Britannic were same make same model, different kit. its more like comparing a mustang v6 hardtop and a mustang v8 convertible, would they know that the v8 merely had a hard top put on and it was the v6 at the bottom of the ocean? no they wouldn't, not in the early 20th century they wouldn't.
The fact that the "switch theory" has gained the following it has underlines the old saying attributed to 19th century showman P. T. Barnum: "There's a sucker born every minute!"
The Titanic Sinking was a perfect storm of things coming together to wreak havoc. If White Star Line was planning to sink the ship, how would they have predicted that the crew would be unable to see the iceberg? Why would Thomas Andrews and Bruce Ismay be on board if the sinking was planned?
Also the Olympic had an open a deck promenade while the titanic had a closed one. If we look at the wreck photos we can clearly see Titanic’s closed A deck promenade on both sides.
An operation like this would've required a ton of people to know about the switch. The thought that dozens of people wouldn't have come forward (either immediately or in the decades that followed) after the "Titanic" sank immediately afterward is beyond ridiculous. And all of this was done in the name of ... what? Sinking the crown jewel of your fleet on her maiden voyage in an extremely public manner? The lawsuits, image tarnishing, and loss of public trust would've been so much more costly than the repair costs on the Olympic. Not to mention the risk of the public finding out you did all of this on purpose. Is that insurance money really worth risking going to jail for the murder of 1,500 people? If you think about this rationally for more than 5 seconds the whole thing falls apart. I'll never understand how so many people still entertain this idea.
I think people who believe in conspiracy theories are just bored and lost in life or something. They just want to feel like part of something important, something bigger, and what would be bigger than convincing yourself that you know all the secrets of the world lol. To feel like they're one step ahead of everyone else.
There is something else, too, which that bunk theory fails to address: The hull differences between Olympic and Titanic along the upper decks. For those who don't know, the Olympic had fully-open breezeways on its upper decks. During its operation some of the more-uppity passengers had complained about sea breeze and sea spray messing up their appearances. White Star took these complaints immediately to the designers, who then created a partially-closed deck for the Titanic (and also Britannic when its construction began). This partially-closed section, in the forward half of the Titanic's upper decks, had windows that could be opened and closed according to the demand of the passengers. When one examines the Olympic and Titanic side-by-side, from their respective sides, this difference becomes clear. The Olympic NEVER got such a deck treatment, not even in any of its refits over the years. If one examines further, one would see that there was no way the shipbuilders could possibly have made such switches to the hulls of the ships in the amount of time they were together, which would have to be done for that "theory" to hold any water. As a consequence, the Titanic held more water than this "theory" ever could. Yet, there will still be some people out there who will never admit to the fatal flaws of this "theory," just because; I'm supposing that many of them are represented in the 61-or-so thumb-down reactions to Sam's video. An outstanding refutation, Sam, of the biggest fictional account of Titanic since the sinking-in-one-piece story was debunked (possible topic for another episode, if it hasn't already been covered...?)! Indeed, one of the best and most concise refutations ever of this piece of fiction. I actually didn't know that so many of the ships' fittings were individually labeled with their respective ships' hull numbers.
There's another piece of evidence the switch never happened: When the Carpathia went to pick up the survivors from the scene of disaster, Olympic's wireless operator asked if they want to arrive on scene and provide more assistance. Carpathia responded back saying there's no need to because if the Olympic were to arrive on scene, the passengers would be in a panic because of a near identical Titanic, plus it was impossible for the Olympic to come fast considering she was 500 miles away. Carpathia's wireless operator did the right thing declining the Olympic's offer
Bravo!!!! Excellent reasoning and proof, thank you for sharing this video. As a Titanic enthusiast, this really was excellent to watch! BTW I subbed to your sisters page :)
While he is probably correct, unless you fact check everything he said, this video isn't proof of anything as he didn't provide one single reference of where he got his information.
Fun fact: the day after the sinking I went to the Concordia cruise line website to find out what was happening. The website said "Book a trip on the Costa Concordia for a cruise you'll never forget." Unforgettable us right.
ik im late but one of the companies that insured Titanic, Allianz has a whole article about how Titanic was underinsured. Debunked the switch in 1 sentence aswell.
Another part of the part switching I've seen is that the yard masters switched the recorded numbers to where Olympic was 401 and Titanic was 400. However, no evidence can be found as the records still reflect the original yard numbers. A few pieces of Titanic were used to help rebuild Olympic after the collision, but only a few. Not enough to warrant or lead to a whole theory of switching.
Another fact which was overlooked here. Olympic's promenade deck was opened to the elements whilst Titanic's Promenade deck was enclosed with glass which increased Titanic's gross weight. The additional enclosed volume was a major contributor to Titanic's increased gross register tonnage of 46,328 Imperial tons over Olympic's 45,324 Imperial tons, which allowed Titanic to claim the title of largest ship in the world.
People who believe in this theory are nine times out of 10 believers of the v-break theory. Titanic in Olympic or sister ships but they still had differences. Besides what a company really have a ship sink with the risk of people dying just for money ?
I hope the last part is a joke to name one from personal experience that they marketed oxy condone and cotton to minors with chronic pain and diseases and said it wasn't addictive or as addictive later as morphine when they had to admit it was addictive lol. I promise I'd rather take 30mg of oxy than of morphine just i have a high tolerance to morphine from breaking so many bones 40 some odd now and 10 plus surgeries I stopped counting both lol
One thing you left out too was the Titanic and Olympic wasn't 100% identical. The Olympic's A deck promenade was open the entire length of the superstructure while Titanic's A deck promenade was enclosed from below the wheelhouse to the first class lounge between the 3rd and 4th funnels above. Aft of that the promenade was open. It was enclosed to allow passengers to walk outside without being pelted by rain, wind or other bad weather.
Also, the Father Browne photographs are good pieces of evidence that the switch didn't happen. If u look at the 1st class dining saloon photograph carefully, it shows the partition of 1st class lounge and dining room. The partition had 3 wide glass windows with top corners curved. Olympic had 4 or 5 windows with less width and it's top being a single curve like an arch. The 1911 photographs and later photographs show this. This one is more popular image being circulated as Titanic's dining room. His another photograph of poop deck shows the crane doors face sideways on Titanic. Olympic had crane doors facing forward. Photographs of captain Smith alone and the one with officers together including Murdoch shows the wheelhouse is curved for Olympic. Titanic's wreck has straight wheelhouse wall. Another one is Turkish bath layout. Olympic's Turkish bath cooling room was situated near the starboard hull, ie it had portholes. For Titanic, it was a bit inward and away from the starboard hull. There was a small corridor and the electric bath between the hull and cooling room in Titanic. Basically, Olympic has real portholes and Titanic had fake portholes for Turkish bath cooling room. The cafe Parisian of Titanic has a plain wall at the end bcz there are 1st class staterooms forward. But Olympic's cafe Parisian has a door bcz it has promenade deck instead of rooms. Titanic still has the Marconi room that's in the middle of boat deck while Olympic had marconi room on the port side. That's why Titanic's Marconi room had skylight. Olympic's Marconi room's position changed during refits post Titanic disaster. Theorists claim 401 in propeller blade is due to Olympic using Titanic's blade after she threw one. What they conveniently avoid is that the Port propeller blade was thrown and replaced and the wreck shows the 401 stamping on Starboard propeller blade.
Switchers have been struggling to explain the 401 stamp on the propeller at the wrecksite since it was first discovered. Eventually, they invented the claim that a Titanic propeller was fitted to Olympic during the repair after the Hawke collision. There is precisely no evidence to support this claim. Records from the time state only that parts of Titanic's propeller SHAFT were fitted to Olympic to speed up her return to service. The later repair, following the loss of a blade from Olympic's port propeller in February, 1912, merely involved bolting a new blade in place, and took only a day or two to undertake. When people become as fixated as Switchers seemingly do, truth becomes irrelevant.
Also, on Titanic’s wreck, you can see the number “401” on her propeller. That right there is more proof that Titanic was the ship that sank that night, and not Olympic.
And all of the photos of the Olympic that were taken following her failed attempt to dash to her sister’s rescue show that she looked exactly the same after the disaster as she did before and that she was in fact the Olympic, not the Titanic.
Maybe. However, how do you explain all the other things at the wreck site with the number 401 on them? There is no evidence of anything down there with the number 400.
My ❤. Knowing my relationship with my sister and seeing HT with his sister..I felt that! I would do anything to see my sister smile. Great content from both of you.
Well Olympic needed the propeller from titanic after she collided with hms Hawke and the wreck show this and also on the wreck there is 2 letters that are MP and titanic dont have MP in it and they not 100% twins either but too us they are twins at a look
I'm not going to lie.. I myself fell victim to the "great switch" conspiracy theory a while back.. so I'm glad that you shed some light on the doubts that I had.. I feel like a total dolt..🤓
At least you saw the light, and were brave enough to admit you had fallen for the trap. A "total dolt" would be someone who fell for the hoax, found out about it, and rather than wising up, chose to double down on their belief in the conspiracy theory!
the one thing that's missing in all of these for-and-against-the-switch theories is the evidence contained in the ship that remained in service for many years after the disaster. There would have been countless numbers of people who would be able to verify which ship was left behind, so to speak.... Various configuration differences, the number of the ship (400 / 401), slight infrastructure anomalies and - probably the most obvious - Evidence of repairs if it was, indeed, the Olympic that carried on in service
If this guy was my history teacher,my parents would be so proud of me
He already is , just he only comes in every 3 or so days to teach you on the internet
Exactly! Straight A student..just running around saying "well hey" and passing everything..oh well at least we have him now.
@@tycobrenton4792 ikr
Bob yeah!
@@ARJUN_2009_ZOOMER thx
I love seeing that picture of the 2 ships together 5:57
I find with conspiracy theorists, the best thing to do is to one-up them. If they say, "The Titanic and Olympic were switched" I'd just be like, "Oh you actually believe the Titanic existed?"
Unfortunately the “conspiracy theories “ that actually matter.. have come true. Look at the vaccine as prime example
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Yes!
Exactly!
And when they doubt you, you ask "why don't you believe?" or just use the same tactics to "punch holes" in their arguments against your theory like: "sure they exist, I've seen photos of them" then you reply "you mean photoshop" 😂
exactly, these people are so stupid to ask any questions or not to trust the narrative of people who lied before, just follow the herd, work, pay your bloody taxes, obey the laws, conform, and STFU, oh, and trust the science, because "math is reality"
Sometimes the best thing to do with conspiracy theorists is to put weird them 😂
A nice hour long documentary on the most significant / key events ( in your opinion ) of each of these ships , from their maiden voyage, to hitting the sea floor, would be super cool. I hope your videos keep gaining popularity as you do a really good job mate. Lots of respect from the UK 👌👍
Note that Titanic and Olympic are not 100% identical. On Titanic, they enclosed her promenade deck which where open on Olympic. This is just one of the cosmetic changes made to Titanic
Yeah I was hoping he would add that to the video but it’s ok
He says that there is a Part 1 to this video. Go check that out 😉
@@annanonymous1589 that’s for other conspiracy’s and he wanted to make his own video for this one
@@corvettelovertopdrives oh I see, ok thanks! The differences between the ships would be interesting to learn about too
I think it was somewhat functional, actually.
Sad that we need a video debunking this. We have photographs taken by Robert John Welch in March 1912 showing several state rooms on B Deck designed specially for Titanic. We also have photographs by Welch of the private promenades for the suites also on B Deck that were not on the Olympic.
Differences between RMS Olympic and RMS Titanic.
Boat Deck.
- The forward wall for the wheelhouse was straight on the Titanic (Curved wall on the Olympic).
- Bridge wings extended over the side of the superstructure on Titanic which allowed for crew to see past the lifeboats looking aft. (Not added to Olympic until after Titanic sank).
- Bulwarks on the Titanic were made of steel. (Made of wood on Olympic).
- The wireless room was located amidst ship on the Titanic, while the room on Olympic was located on the port side of the Officers Quarters (this was changed after Titanic sank).
- In the spot where the wireless room was on the Olympic, the Titanic had two cabins added on port and three on the starboard side. The three aft end officers cabins on the starboard side were moved to different locations in the officers quarters.
- The gate that separated the 1st Class Promenade from the Officer's Promenade was moved further forward and was located between Lifeboats 3 and 5 on the starboard side and Lifeboats 4 and 6 on the port side. (On the Olympic, the gate was located next to the First Class Entrance further aft).
- Vents, Cowls, and other machinery were re-positioned or added on Titanic.
- A box (believed to be a sand filter for water purification) was located just forward of the last window on the starboard side of the 2nd Class Entrance.
- In the Titanic's Gymnasium, the rowing machine was positioned forward of the middle column. A bench and wardrobe were added to room, and the countries on the world map in the illuminated sign were outlined differently than on the Olympic.
- The forward stairways on the boat deck were open on Titanic. (Olympic featured semi-circular coverings).
A Deck.
- The enclosing of the forward half of the A Deck Promenade and the addition of a wall with a window and door to the forward section of the promenade was the most easily seen difference. On Olympic, the A Deck promenade remained open along its entire length.
- The First Class Smoking Room featured the painting "Plymouth Harbor" (The painting "Approach to the New World" hung over the fireplace on Olympic). Furniture for the room was dark red on Titanic. (Dark green on Olympic).
- Two first class staterooms were added in the 1st Class Entrance, on either side of the Aft Grand Staircase.
- Space heater added next to the door leading to the Smoke Room Bar in the Starboard Veranda & Palm Court.
B Deck.
- First class staterooms were expanded to the sides of the ship. A largely unused promenade took up this area on the Olympic.
- Window spacing was different where staterooms and the private promenades were located at.
- Both of the parlor suites had private promenades added.
- The Café Parisian was added on the starboard side. (Not added to Olympic until 1913).
- The Restaurant Reception Room was added in the area around the Aft Grand Staircase.
- The Restaurant was expanded on the port side. (Done to the Olympic in 1913).
- Galley and pantry for the Restaurant were expanded.
- 2nd Class Promenade was much shorter.
C Deck.
- Aft end of the Firemen's Mess Room on the starboard side in the bow was enlarged (two unidentified rooms were included in this space on Olympic).
- Starboard crew corridor in the bow, extended aft to match the port side arrangement. Two lockers included in this added space.
- Two first class cabins are added to the port side near the Grand Staircase. (A cloakroom was located in this space on the Olympic).
- 2nd Class Covered Promenade enlarged. (Olympic featured separate rooms on both port and starboard, near the aft entrance and fans).
- Emergency door included on the aft wall between the Third Class Smoke Room and the Steering and Gear Room.
D Deck.
- Reception Room in 1st Class was larger on Titanic and it featured extra columns.
- The First Class Entrances were also shortened on Titanic to allow for the expansion of the Reception Room.
- The forward wall that separated the Reception Room from the Dining Room featured three wide windows. (Olympic featured five arched windows per wall).
- Elevator grills on the Titanic were different in design, compared to those on the Olympic.
E Deck.
- Open berths were featured for trimmers in the bow. (shared cabins on Olympic).
- Two spiral staircases added in firemen space in the bow. (Olympic featured straight stairs).
- Washroom and bathrooms added on port and starboard sides of the fireman's quarters in the bow.
- Women's lavatory added in 3rd Class on starboard side, left of the Bunker Hatch. (Stewards berth in this space on Olympic).
- Removal of staircase and rearrangement of cabins/lavatories for waiters and kitchen staff on the port side, just aft of the reciprocating engine casing and watertight bulkhead.
- Possibly the addition of a watertight door next to the potato store room on the port side.
F Deck.
- Titanic's Turkish Bath Cooling Room was re-positioned away from the hull. (Cooling room was longer and was flush with the hull on Olympic).
- The two Shampoo Rooms and Electric Bath positioned next to each other on the starboard side. More suited in individual use and in proximity to the pool.
- The stairs leading into the pool on Titanic featured tiled sides, while the stairs on Olympic were open underneath.
- The clock on the forward wall of the swimming bath (pool) was positioned differently on the Titanic than on the Olympic.
- Four extra cabins were added on the port side just down the hall from the Turkish Baths, past the stairs leading up to E Deck.
G Deck.
- Cabins added in two areas in the bow around the No. 2 Hatch for 3rd Class. (Open berths were featured in this area on Olympic).
Other changes/differences.
- Rear facing pipes on Titanic's third funnel ran higher than those on the Olympic.
- Placement of doors, portholes, etc. throughout the ship.
- Titanic's center propeller likely featured four blades instead of three.
- Titanic Yard Number- 401. Olympic Yard Number- 400.
Thank you for putting this up in the comments! Its also sad to think that we still need to explains alot to paranoid conspiracy twits.
@@firemangan2731 Hopefully this will make them think twice.
I was about to snap at you, because I stupidly thought you meant “sad that we need a video debunking this debunk”
@@wesleypeters4112 they don't think at all lol
@@wesleypeters4112 they wouldn't blindly believe switch theory if they had the ability to think twice.
Sam really seems like the most genuine and honestly nicest creator on TH-cam. I really enjoy his videos and his passion for historic ships. Great channel Sam. Hope you continue to have success.
Like most sisters (even with twins), Titanic and Olympic may have shared a familial resemblance, but there were plenty of details that could be used to tell them apart. If you know where to look, there are stark differences between the two, especially in the interiors.
Assuming the same people were on both ships!
And all the ppl that could tell us are dead. So lead us more into your liberal world of "you know".
The Titanic looked bigger, fatter. To completely switch the interiors and exteriors in 40 days when it took months and years to build them originally is impossible. The sunk on purpose because Astor and Guggenheim opposed Morgan's central bank plan is still more plausible, but again far-fetched.
@@weasel101 bro what. They don't need to tell us the differences, we can see the differences for ourselves
@@killvader1001 that's exactly what some crew said about the day they sailed. They served the ship and you still label them crazy.
Man i love when conspiracy theories get debunked. I really appreciate you taking the time to put this together, and then sharing this.
The sides of both ships speak for them selves
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@@therandomchannel02 the titanic had private promanades on the fore end on A deck, which is the enclosed part
@Lorin's stuff For the entirety of Olympics' life, her A Deck was never enclosed.
So was it titanic sir?tell me plz😂
There was no switch, I hate when people say they look the same look at A deck there's a big difference, the only thing I believe in is the fire in the coal bunker
I’m pretty sure that you would get hired to work on the History Channel, you always provide great details in your videos
eh, yeah, if it was before the mid-'90s. since then all the mainstream 'documentary' channels went to drama reality nonsense with no data/information, why I'm here and gave up the TV years ago.
@@Zarcondeegrissom I haven't watched tv in years too. Mainly streaming or youtube...
History Channel used to be about 90% of everything I watched. Then the aliens took it over.
That's why he wouldn't be good for history channel
Sam missed the boat on that one. Why do research and pay historians when you can make reality TV nonsense and get the same or better ratings. I used to love watching the history Channel.
Video idea: The time the Queen Mary nearly capsized during WW2 and how it inspired the movie 'Poseidon'
Wait what 😕😕😕😕😕😕😕😕? I never knew that.
@@avocadokid2090 I know about the movie I didn't knew about The Queen Mary almost capsized during WW2.
I’d love to see some facts on the queen mary as well?
Paul Gallicos wrote The Poseidon Adventure actually as a protest against something going on at the time. For a century or more ocean liners were the way to make transatlantic travel, however, with the advent of jet passenger planes that could make the trip in hours instead of days, ocean liners became obsolete quite quickly. In the book, published in 1969, the Poseidon was on her last voyage before she began her voyage to the scrap yard. The demolition had actually begun on the Poseidon and some bulkheads had been taken out, making the ship unstable. In the book, a square mile of ocean floor suddenly dropped due to an earthquake. The Poseidon was in the center of this. The sudden drop, the water rushing in from all sides and the instability led to the ship capsizing.
The book was published in 1969. The Queen Mary made her final voyage in 1968. Her sister ship at the same time. The SS United States had been laid up since 1965. Other ocean liners were laid up, scrapped, or converted to cruise ships at the same time. The ocean liner industry died an ugly death in the late 1960's. Paul Gallicos tapped into an unfolding tragedy in progress to create a real page turner of a book turned into a gripping movie.
What zombieguy might be referencing is that the ocean liner/cruise ship HMS Queen Elizabeth 2 was hit by a rogue 95 foot wave that came out of nowhere while the ship traveled through the "Bermuda triangle" in 1995. This led to an in depth scientific investigation that concluded that where ocean currents collide there are massive rogue waves that come out of nowhere and massive whirlpools as well. The ancient mariners were correct, not making up stories about these events.
@@The_Dudester Did you even read the book? In the book (NOT THE 1972 MOVIE), the ship was converted into a cargo/cruise ship after being sold to her new owners in the late 60s. The renamed Poseidon started her maiden voyage from Lisbon on a month long Christmas cruise between Africa and South America. Her conversion as a cargo ship was to tripe her cargo space, removing lower-class and crew cabins on the bow and stern. This was one of her mayor causes to capsize. On her last leg, she was two-thirds empty of fuel, empty of cargo and improperly ballasted. She was dangerously top heavy. And one wave was enough. The 1972 version was different from the book, Poseidon sailed on her last voyage from New York to Athens for scrap. I think you have mixed them both.
If Harland and Wolff can rebuild the bow of the SS Suevic they sure as hell can fix a little dent in the Olympic
I found some coal on the bank of the creek in my grampa's pasture today (he has an open coal vein in his pasture) and it was so cool to hold the same material that fueled these ships. I hadn't really handled coal before, so I felt like I was holding a bit of history!
Also, it was cool to see the wood grain from the plants that made up the coal. So much natural force went into turning those plants into the piece of fuel I was holding. Science and history are so cool!
I love this. Also cool to think about the plants you were holding were millions of years old !! Science is so cool
Also, if you look at the wreckage of Titanic, it's propeller blade is marked 401, so that is proof that Titanic is sitting at the bottom of the Atlantic not Olympic
And the propellers weren't swappable between ships either.
numbers can be switched in books so not very reliable , however a conspiracy needs to be kept to a small group in order to be successful , so if add in all the construction workers then the Olympic crew , it becomes and impossible secret conspiracy to pull off
@@thunderrobots1980s My mom is 1000,000,000% Convinced that Olympic is on the bottom of the North Atlantic. It's always the same 'they swapped the propellers! 401 is OLYMPIC!' I'm like 'No, Titanic's Promenade is enclosed, Olympic's Promenade is Open.'
@@thunderrobots1980s No, no they can't. The yard numbers are established and used by the shipyard for design and construction long before a name is ever even given to a ship. It would mean changing the paperwork on many tens of thousands of documents, not just a few books.
The numbers wouldn't be enough since the propellers on Olympic and Titanic used different pitches as part of an experiment that White Star Line and Harland and Wolff were conducting to see what worked best for fuel efficiency, lower vibration, etc. And pulling and replacing those blades off the bosses required a lot of time and work. It took a week for a single thrown propeller blade to be replaced on Olympic. Now imagine how long it would take for six blades, plus the single-cast center propeller!
Not only that, there is a hotel in the UK that bought some of the decor and furnishings from the Olympic when she was scrapped. There are pictures of them being installed, and you can clearly see them labeled "400" on the back of the panelling pieces.
And also, Titanic had more cabins on the new enclose deck that was open on Olympic, so they would've had to build those too in a few days..
Hope my english makes sense haha
Saludos from Argentina Sam, love your content! congrats to your sister
@J Tommy ohh it's true, my teacher taught me that! haha thank you, sometimes i think in spanish and try to write in english 😅 I'm from Buenos Aires province, I live in a rather small city called Pergamino..
Thank you for your coment Tommy🥰
@J Tommy aww thank you so much! You're a sweetheart too 🥰
@J Tommy that's weird.. I didn't get to see any of those comments!
@J Tommy i'm on insta @miliflowers
not evidence, they only needed to install the walls, titanic was not sold out, at a time when everyone wanted to travel to the US, easy explanation, the extra cabins weren't finished, they could make it appear they were simply by having 40-50 officials book passage and then cancel at the last minute.
you only need to change the outside over a few months, then in the 44 days the ships are together fill-in the deck layout and finish public areas like the cafe and bars etc, titanic, now being badged as olympic with a "injury" needing repair meant they had time to fit out titanic to olympics old layout as they didn't need to launch it as soon as the "titanic maiden voyage date" so they had time to change that shit.
They also checked the propellers on the Titanic wreck, and they have the number 401 on them, further proof they weren't switched.
the propeller number don't mean anything, they put a 401 propeller on the Olympic :( but i dont beleive the switch theory :)
@@Maverick25ish Impossible. Titanic's propellers weren't compatible with Olympic.
@@pyrerock that’s the Lusitania and Mauritania props that were different All three Olympic class ships had the same screws
@@boatscum The angle of each blade (which could be changed by the yard to affect speed) was different. Olympics' and Titanic's blade angles, according to documentation were not the same. Also Titanic's center propeller almost certainly contained only three blades instead of four.
@J Tommy I’ve read it a few times after Olympic was damaged, it ruturned to dry dock for repairs and a new screw and shaft, titanic was near completion but was put on hold while Olympic was repaired fast, and as they had parts in the yard ready to go on titanic.... they simply put a propeller on Olympic that was meant go on titanic, like anyone would to get the ship back out to sea earning a profit
Another thing you could have added to this video. Not only would Olympic and Titanic's interiors have to swapped because of their yard numbers being everywhere, they would also have to be swapped out because they both had a lot of structural differences, which mainly included the layout of their A and B deck designs. Their Turkish baths and Wheelhouses were also different. Their name plates were also engraved into their hulls, meaning there is no way their name plates could be changed. This clearly shoes how even more impossible the switch theory is.
Did you ever see the terrible documentary that poor CGI the Olympic name onto the titanic hull wreck.
@@RomanHistoryFan476AD gosh i wish i didn’t...
@@DerpyPossum I know man some real cringe material in that one.
@@RomanHistoryFan476AD I watched it and I honestly thought the person making it was being a joker. Bugger he wasn’t.
@@justadudeinterestedintitan3569 Yeah I thought that to, then he looked dead serious.
PLEASE DO A VIDEO ON WHERE THE LIFE BOATS WENT AFTER THE SURVIVORS GOT INTO THEM AND WHAT THE NEXT DAY WAS LIKE FOR THE SURVIVORS
I heard White Star captured the life boats, and no one knows what they did with them.
Everybody who says “OmG THe PoRTHOLeS On THE BoW ArE ProOF” don’t consider that both Titanic and Olympic were built with 14 portholes, and when Olympic first sailed she had 14 portholes (there are pictures of Olympic sailing with 14 portholes before Titanic sailed). Titanic on the other hand, had the 2 added on each side of the bow while being fitted out. DISPROVED!
The modifications were made to Titanic during construction, as a result of a number of recommendations made after Olympic's first few voyages.
I find conspiracies on this so disrespectful. Thank you for taking time to address this
Yes Aaron1912 screwed everything up on The Bright Side !!!
I would love to see you do a video on the history of 1) ideas of how the Titanic could be found, as ideas began to be talked about almost immediately after she sank and 2) the unsuccessful expeditions that searched for the Titanic, such as the 1981 search by Jack Grimm. Awesome videos as always!!!
You are so awesome you tell us about titanic in away that everyone loves and no other channel talks about titanic in this way keep up the good work
Going through such great lengths for an insurance scam seems more likely in 2021 than 1912.
Well said. Western society was in a FAR better shape 110 years ago.
The earliest insurance scam that anyone has actually records of happened in the 1st century.
Have you ever heard, there's nothing new under the Sun?
Western society has not really become less scrupulous overtime but rather more so. Keep in mind, in American history there were times when the military was used to slaughter women and children because workers had gone on strike. Look up the Rockefeller massacre.
Occam's Razor is a thing.
Yet it would be way more likely & easier to pull off then, because of lack of forensics, cameras, internet, insurance fraud investigators etc...Pretty much everything that exists that can prove a switch occurred, didn’t exist then. I mean people didn’t even have indoor electricity at that time, whose gonna find out these two ships were switched??
@@Prin_Cess_007 and yet still impossible
the three powerful men who opposed the fed were on board. The titanic was a small price to pay
In 1985, I personally watched the television news which showed the photographs which were taken of the bow of the ship which showed that some of the letters which spelled "Titanic" had fallen off revealing "Olympic" underneath.
Pretty appalling CGI wasn't it.
That's just SO obviously fake.
The wreck doesn't look like that.
Both of these ships were HEAVILY photographed during construction with a ton of Irish workers in the area, most of which hated building ships for British owners.
People really think they're going to keep something like this under wraps?!
Titanic had her designer, the White Star Line's BEST captain, AND the president of the company on board.
In fact, the owner of International Mercantile Marine that owned the White Star Line, J.P. Morgan was set to be on board the Titanic for the maiden voyage. The only reason he didn't was because he got sick previously.
Why would ANY of these high profile people for the White Star Line be on board during what was supposed to be an insurance scam?
Unless they thought that a ship in the area could save them along with the passengers.
@@briansivley2001 Except why take the chance at all? They know the risks involved with a sinking. They easily could have just not gone aboard.
Also if the expected it to sink they would have put enough life boats for everyone. Why payout extra insurance to victims if they didn’t have too?!? Yup the switch conspiracy has more jokes than the titanic did!
"OK, I'll need you to hit an iceberg. But before you do, have the wireless guys make sure there's an another ship within 10 miles so we can safely transfer the passengers. Make a sudden sharp turn before the collision with the berg to convince the survivors that you *tried* to avoid it. Be sure to damage the ship enough to sink her, but not so much that it interferes with the evacuation."
Honestly is kinda stupid that people say they switched :S
i agree
Yeah
People just want to believe the Titanic didn't sink.
Agreed
It started right before Cameron made this movie, a guy named Robin decided “Ya know? I’m just gonna make a conspiracy theory and hire a professional book guy!”
I hate when people call "conspiracy theories" "dangerous". They aren't "dangerous" they just require more research. Stop believing everything that you hear and do further and deeper research to formulate your own opinion on things. Most people today are to pre-occupied with work, house work, taking kids to activities, and this is why they refuse to do their own research, but stop calling it dangerous. That's just a dismissive way of saying "trust me I've done all the research, you don't have to just believe me" and nothing is more dangerous than that attitude.
Thank you I love this kind of stuff, I don’t believe in conspiracies but I love the conversation that involves them, makes for great entertainment!
I really think we need "Well, Hey"
merchandise tee shirts!!
I’d buy
Maybe “Captain Sam” too
Well spoken! Another way to tell the ships apart is by their shell plating. Shell plating is always different even with sister ships, the pattern is basically a ships finger print.
James Cameron inadvertently did quite a bit to dispell the switch theory. When he made his movie there were precious few photos of the interior of Titanic available so he based his set designs on photos of the Olympic. When you take a look at the wreck there are numerous differences. One in particular is the layout of the radio room. Cameron acknowledged that his set design for that particular location was 100% modeled on an Olympic photo. The radio room in the wreck has a completely different layout. The flooring throughout the two ships is another discrepancy. A number of Cameron's Olympic based set pieces feature carpeting but the corresponding locations in the wreck are actually covered with ceramic tile. And of course you have the addition of the al carte restaurant and additional staterooms on Titanic that weren't present on Olympic.
it would also mean they deliberately hit the ice berg... if it took 7 months to fit out olympic, it would take at least 3.5 months to strip her plus 3.5 months to strip titanic followed by 7 months to refit x 2 thats 21 months at the minimum to switch them, add to that all the threats/bribes that would of been required to silence all workers and anyone within view of the ship yard, all of which never happened....... great vid again sam, keep it up
Potential video idea that doesn't really get talked about much: Titanic's near miss with the SS City of New York in Southampton.
And thank you for this channel's content, it is extremely well researched and put together, always a joy to listen to!
Dude that collision could have saved the ship. Damn the crew for doing their jobs!
@@h.m.tolympic4669 they would have made it to new york in minutes, but the crew decided to go around new york, sad of them,
Proof they weren’t swapped: titanic sank not olympic
Lol
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i mean you're not wrong
They couldn't do it cuz of the yard numbers !!!
Conspiracy theories never stand up to the light of day
I only very recently came across your channel a couple months back. You have became my favorite, love how in depth you actually go with every video you upload ❤
Not to mention the outward appearance of the two ships were a tad bit different. Looking at the Promenade decks on the two ships, the Olympic’s upper promenade deck is opened up to the outside while the Titanic’s upper promenade deck is closed off about mid way. Looking at the Titanic’s wreckage, you see the upper deck is closed off like it would’ve been.
I love thorough debunkings of half-cocked theories. Very insightful.
Something I think could be interesting to cover is the fire of the Queen Elizabeth in Hong Kong harbor.
The thing I find funny, is they never mention the promenade deck. On the Olympic, it was open, titanic, it was closed! The amount of work to switch that, it would be near the amount to fix that of the Olympic HMS Hawke collision. WOULDN"T MAKE SENSE!
The changes were likely done piecemeal fashion over time and not in one go, maybe the promenande deck but not features like the portholes. Some people seem to think that Olympic's portside bow portholes were given the extra 2 after the Titanic disaster, but if you look at photos (which seem to be very hard to find in hi res - but do exist as I've seen a cropped down version on the switch debunking site), you can clearly see 16 portholes on the portside of the forecastle on the bow in March 1912. Titanic can be seen behind Olympic in the Thompson Graving Dock with her hull partially painted black. These extra portholes were not there during the time Olympic was at sea for her first transatlantic crossings, or when the collision with the Hawke happened in Sept 1911. With all the urgent work needed to get Olympic's propeller blade (or propeller shaft) repaired, why did they go to the extra trouble of adding 2 extra portholes, plus they painted the lifeboats brown around the gunwales which were all white previously. Something weird was going on, like they were trying to make Olympic look more like Titanic and vs versa.
And the damage the Olympic had gotten from her collision with the HMS Hawke wasn’t even entirely repaired during the voyage she was on during the Titanic disaster and she had regained her serious damage because of it when she tried to dash to the Titanic’s rescue which Captain Haddock got unfairly blamed for.
An excellent video Sam...and as most Titanic/Olympic historians know...when Olympics days were done her 1st class dining saloon wood paneling was salvaged and today is in I believe a hotel or such in the UK...all those wood panels would each have Olympics yard number on them. The whole mass production thing about identical units is one of those things that would be a one in a million...or more chance of happening. Options and rework/repairs during assembly would make them different...The biggest visual thing...as already noted was the enclosure of the promenade on Titanic...i believe Ismay had that change done very late in the build as people on Olympic werent shielded from the elements...wind and rain and so forth.
Keep up the great videos Sam and Im glad to have helped your sister crack 1K subscribers...as said in the livestream...you have won brother of the year..at least in my eyes. Keep up the great videos :-)
The promenade deck layouts on A Deck were different, and Olympic has another Promenade on B Deck where Titanic had cabins. Also, the fitting in both were different
I have a suggestion for you about the Titanic that you could talk about which will interest loads of Titanic fans. "The Car on the Titanic"
Well done young Sam! You've helped explain yet another mystery. Sadly though, like the moon landing of 1969, you will never convince some people that the switch never took place!!!
I actually haven’t been sure if this was true or not for quite a while now, so thanks for making a video about it!
I knew the Titanic sank when I seen the propeller blade at the bottom of the ocean with the number 401.
This guys favorite transition line is “you see” lol
The other big problem with this theory that you don't address here is all the people that would have to be bought off or silenced through threats. Literally tens of thousands, including the 15,000 strong Belfast workers for Harland and Wolff shipyard. And you could see Titanic and Olympic being built for miles around Belfast and people would be wondering what was going on there.
And speaking of the 15,000 H&W workers, it has often been misstated that the reason all this work could be done so quickly is because the company had so many workers to get the switch job done with. In fact, they didn't. Many people worked on Titanic and her sisters to build them, but the majority of them were also involved in working on other ships for completely different companies and pulling them to suddenly work on switching Titanic with Olympic would have raised more than a few eyebrows as well as angered long time customers.
@J Tommy It is very difficult, job or no job, to stop people from talking about something, even in wartime.
And then you still have explain why other Harland and Wolff customers wouldn't say anything about their ships' construction being very delayed by the pulling of shipyard workers to switch two White Star Line ships.
@J Tommy Olympic never had a Titanic propeller. And she didn't need one of Titanic's, she had sets of spares, as did Titanic.
Do you not understand that Titanic and Olympic's propeller blades had a different pitch and therefore could not be swapped between the two ships? The vibrations from such an insane swap would have been very noticeable and uncomfortable to all the passengers and crew.
@J Tommy I have done a great deal of research and I know I'm not wrong. No Titanic propeller was ever on Olympic. The closest it ever came to that was segments of the shaft taken from Titanic.
But the pitch on the BLADES was was different and could not be swapped between the two ships.
@J Tommy Not true at all. Harland and Wolff saved a huge amount of materials concerning the Olympic-class ships, both in terms of construction as well as maintenance of them over the more than a quarter century they were in service. We also have lots of third part documentation that covers this.
We even know the fate of the spare blades that were intended for Titanic, some of which were melted down to make memorial statues to those lost on the ship.
So much of this has also been researched into and you can find all you want by going to Mark Chirnside or Dr. Paul Lee's websites, among many, many others to find what you're looking for. That is, if you really want to.
I have an idea for a video: What if Titanic sank during daytime? Let's suppose the ship has the 6 compartments damaged but is daytime, how would the passenger and crew activities affected the sinking?
Honestly I would love a full video of carpathia titanic’s rescue ship.
1. The differences in Titanic weren’t just cosmetic. For one yes, titanic’s A deck promenade was partially enclosed instead of running the length of the deck as on Olympic. They also found the B deck promenade on Olympic went underused so on Titanic the B deck promenade was scrapped altogether and the staterooms were expanded out to the hull and suites encompassing B52, 54, and 56 on the port side, and B51, 53, and 55 on the starboard were given private promenades only spanning the length of those suites, and the cafe Parisien was also added to Titanic’s starboard where the B deck promenade was on Olympic (aft of the aforementioned suites) and while the cafe parisien was destroyed by the break up, those suites are still very much there. It’s one thing to argue cosmetic enclosures were added to cover up a conspiracy but the amount of work needed to completely rebuild an entire deck of 2 ships would cost more than would be worth it.
2. Olympic didn’t carry one of Titanic’s propellers. Following the collision with HMS Hawke, Olympic returned to Belfast and resources were pulled from Titanic to speed up repairs in the autumn of 1911, including laborers and a propeller SHAFT. The shaft that turns the prop belonged to Titanic but the propeller did not. Titanic had spare propellers made along with the ones eventually fitted to the ship, Olympic would have used her own spares as the propellers were not identical and had different pitches and therefore were not interchangeable. There is also zero documentation, either of the work done or testimony from that period that the propeller itself was taken and used by Olympic.
3. After the catastrophic damage inflicted on Olympic during the incident with Hawke, repairs were made to Olympic, including a turbine shaft from Titanic’s being used. The damage was repaired and she was seaworthy but for the rest of her service life she suffered a series of problems with her crankshaft and a noticeable list to port.
3. Olympic and Titanic’s portholes on the forecastle were the same, not different as has been alleged. Initially this is true. Both ships launched with 14 (the ships were not launched completed, only that the hull had been finished) and 2 more added for extra light during its fitting out; the same configuration was added to Olympic during its 1912 refit.
The amount of money it would have cost WSL in man hours, in materials, in paying carpenters and iron workers, in lost revenue from having two ships laid up for such extensive periods of time, in payments needed to keep involved parties quiet would have far outpaced any financial benefit received. Moreover, having two ships of the line running constant transatlantic crossings would have far better improved their financial standing than any insurance payout would have especially considering the financial losses incurred by the money needed to make this conspiracy theory successful. Real conspiracies to commit fraud on such a level only work with a few people involved. The number of people needed for a this to work would include, at a minimum, the entire design team and executives of H&W, hundreds of laborers and carpenters to rebuild the B decks of Olympic and Titanic, the entire executive board of White Star Line, the entire executive board of the Cunard Line to ensure Carpathia and Californian were on standby, Captains Stanley Lord, Arthur Rostron, and Edward Smith, not including the rest of the senior staff of the Titanic and it’s lookouts Fleet & Lee. The number of people would easily be 300 and enough money to buy their silence for life. Occam’s razor applies here. Is it more likely that this vast conspiracy existed to sink a ship for insurance money (a $5 million payout for a ship that cost $7.5 million to build, and cost a $665,000 settlement to survivors & families of the dead) or that a ship sank after an accident?
Also, Titanic had enclosed promenades, Olympic did not. I knew about the yard numbers---400-Olympic, 401-Titanic. Those were on everything, even the prop blades. (Jan Griffiths).
while yes this theory is the dumbest thing I've seen in a while
the titanic when it was getting fitted out didn't have the enclosed promenade yet
I am going to show this video to my daughter, she made a comment to me that the 2 ships were switched.
The guy who wrote the book about the switch theory admitted he made the whole thing up. People are always ready to believe any stupid conspiracy theory these days.
The picture of Olympic, you know it’s the Olympic because of the design of the A Deck promenade, how the windows are large, while with titanic the windows are large, but as you reach closer to the bow the windows become smaller, like those on B deck
Yeah i remember when that theory was running rampant and for a while i remember that how can they say they were the same when simply the A and B deck promenade and side windows in the superstructure were different, and that was me as a stupid 12 year old
You weren't a stupid 12 year old. You were very smart to notice the differences.
@@kellydaunis no i was still a happy stupid 12 year old because kid logic was at it's best, found out the hard way when trying to build the olympic in a 1/700 and broke the entire length of the A deck promenade from the superstructure and wonder why it broke when it shouldn't, that's how i figure it out
Awesome information. Thanks for the info! You are one smart kid on history. I love history.
Can you do a video on whether the brittanic was originally supposed to be called gigantic?
you should make a video dedicated to a few conspiracy theories such as "debunking a few titanic conspiracies"
His previous video, part one of the conspiracy theory’s is exactly what your asking for 👍
Love your videos so he is a Video idea: The history behind Titanic's steam whistle's?
Thank you so much. This will be my go to video the next time someone mentions the switch theory.
Video idea: what caused the S.S Nomadie to sink?
fire......dont know what else you want
would be better for him to explain the normandies career
Her capsizing was due to the firefighters pouring too much water on one side of the ship.
I love seeing family supporting each other. Ya’ll are so wholesome and adorable! So glad I found your channel 😊
Y'all know that the Titanic is a little bigger than the Olympic and Britannic because it was the biggest ship of it's time. Just with that alone the theory falls apart.
But wasn’t the Britannic bigger than Titanic after it’s construction?
Ah the biggest problem with this switch theory is that if Olympic was no longer sea worthy and needed repairs then they would have never been able to set sail especially with passengers.
Do a feature on that awesome electrolier that hung in the reception room on the Titanic and the Olympic. The olympic’s is hanging in that London hotel, and I wanna know if the Titanic’s is still down there? You are a great host BTW.
Great video Sam! As per usual. The switch theory is simply nonsensical. But those photographs in the video are really something else. It would have been so amazing and mind blowing to see the Titanic and the Olympic at the same time. I want a time machine lol
The overwhelming evidence speaks for itself. There was no switch... People who simply ignore the evidence for the convenience of their beliefs can’t be helped.
Says every democrat
@@SandraVargas92 I don’t give two shits about politics. Take that trash somewhere else.
@@sledgehammerk35 You might not take an interest in politics, but politics takes an interest in you.
@@ministryofanti-feminism1493 there’s an old saying... don’t talk about politics or religion with people you don’t know.
@@SandraVargas92 take that politics garbage to the dump, not here
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Also not to mention that If a switch happened a entire city would have seen it
how? you only need to make olympic and titanic look the same on the outside, adding enclosed outer panneling to olympic would have been easy and wouldn't even require it to be in Ireland to do so, any dock could do those kind of welding, then once they look similar get them tot he dry docks in Ireland and remove the bridges, change themes on the ship with a skeleton crew at night, refit the helms in the morning and now you have 2 swapped ships, the titanic(now olympic) gets fitted out to look like olympic inside and has the a and b deck changed to be open, meanwhile they have 44 days to make a and b deck functionally like what titanics plans say, they don't need to finish all the first class cabins as the ship isn't sold-out, all they need to do is finish the shared areas like the cafes and bars.
a lick of paint, recapped and loading all 401 gear on later (atlas anything that can float) and bam, scam pulled. off.
@@hardcorehakon Oh yeah sure. Let me take my Scion TC and Get a Body kit for a Lambo. Does it make it a lambo now? No it fuckin doesnt
@@zeus28frenzy but if you drove the scion off a ship and it sunk to the bottom of the ocean and submarines didn't have windows and cameras, how would the insurance company not know that it wasn't the lamb that sunk but a scion with a lamb body kit on, and if you put a scion kit on your lambs and said oh my poor lamb, I've since upgraded it to have the working parts of a lamb, would they put 2 and 2 together, possibly, except the titanic and Britannic were same make same model, different kit.
its more like comparing a mustang v6 hardtop and a mustang v8 convertible, would they know that the v8 merely had a hard top put on and it was the v6 at the bottom of the ocean? no they wouldn't, not in the early 20th century they wouldn't.
@@hardcorehakon you would need to switch every single bit of wood work as it all had the number 401 engraved into it
@@TimeMasterOG not hard to do, that’s basically furniture and decking, it wouldn’t be hard for a skilled labour force to do in a fortnight.
The fact that the "switch theory" has gained the following it has underlines the old saying attributed to 19th century showman P. T. Barnum: "There's a sucker born every minute!"
I think the fact they found the Turkish Baths in the wreck kinda proves that titanic is titanic lol
The Titanic Sinking was a perfect storm of things coming together to wreak havoc. If White Star Line was planning to sink the ship, how would they have predicted that the crew would be unable to see the iceberg? Why would Thomas Andrews and Bruce Ismay be on board if the sinking was planned?
Video idea What if the titanic turned to starboard instead of port
What's starboard?
@@onetrackmind3558 it’s the right side of the ship from the view of the back
@@help6606 so turn right then. That is a good question.
She probably would’ve either rolled over to port or had a more severe list to port, had she hit on the port side cause of that.
Also the Olympic had an open a deck promenade while the titanic had a closed one. If we look at the wreck photos we can clearly see Titanic’s closed A deck promenade on both sides.
An operation like this would've required a ton of people to know about the switch. The thought that dozens of people wouldn't have come forward (either immediately or in the decades that followed) after the "Titanic" sank immediately afterward is beyond ridiculous. And all of this was done in the name of ... what? Sinking the crown jewel of your fleet on her maiden voyage in an extremely public manner? The lawsuits, image tarnishing, and loss of public trust would've been so much more costly than the repair costs on the Olympic. Not to mention the risk of the public finding out you did all of this on purpose. Is that insurance money really worth risking going to jail for the murder of 1,500 people? If you think about this rationally for more than 5 seconds the whole thing falls apart. I'll never understand how so many people still entertain this idea.
I think people who believe in conspiracy theories are just bored and lost in life or something. They just want to feel like part of something important, something bigger, and what would be bigger than convincing yourself that you know all the secrets of the world lol. To feel like they're one step ahead of everyone else.
There is something else, too, which that bunk theory fails to address: The hull differences between Olympic and Titanic along the upper decks. For those who don't know, the Olympic had fully-open breezeways on its upper decks. During its operation some of the more-uppity passengers had complained about sea breeze and sea spray messing up their appearances. White Star took these complaints immediately to the designers, who then created a partially-closed deck for the Titanic (and also Britannic when its construction began). This partially-closed section, in the forward half of the Titanic's upper decks, had windows that could be opened and closed according to the demand of the passengers. When one examines the Olympic and Titanic side-by-side, from their respective sides, this difference becomes clear. The Olympic NEVER got such a deck treatment, not even in any of its refits over the years. If one examines further, one would see that there was no way the shipbuilders could possibly have made such switches to the hulls of the ships in the amount of time they were together, which would have to be done for that "theory" to hold any water. As a consequence, the Titanic held more water than this "theory" ever could. Yet, there will still be some people out there who will never admit to the fatal flaws of this "theory," just because; I'm supposing that many of them are represented in the 61-or-so thumb-down reactions to Sam's video.
An outstanding refutation, Sam, of the biggest fictional account of Titanic since the sinking-in-one-piece story was debunked (possible topic for another episode, if it hasn't already been covered...?)! Indeed, one of the best and most concise refutations ever of this piece of fiction. I actually didn't know that so many of the ships' fittings were individually labeled with their respective ships' hull numbers.
There's another piece of evidence the switch never happened:
When the Carpathia went to pick up the survivors from the scene of disaster, Olympic's wireless operator asked if they want to arrive on scene and provide more assistance. Carpathia responded back saying there's no need to because if the Olympic were to arrive on scene, the passengers would be in a panic because of a near identical Titanic, plus it was impossible for the Olympic to come fast considering she was 500 miles away. Carpathia's wireless operator did the right thing declining the Olympic's offer
well she actually travelled up to 100nm out from titanic before they said no and she did that in 3 hours
These videos are so much fun, and they are so much fun to watch.
1:49 how many people just guessed the olimpic
Me
Bravo!!!! Excellent reasoning and proof, thank you for sharing this video. As a Titanic enthusiast, this really was excellent to watch! BTW I subbed to your sisters page :)
While he is probably correct, unless you fact check everything he said, this video isn't proof of anything as he didn't provide one single reference of where he got his information.
Vídeo idea, the story of the Costa Concordia ship
Fun fact: the day after the sinking I went to the Concordia cruise line website to find out what was happening. The website said "Book a trip on the Costa Concordia for a cruise you'll never forget."
Unforgettable us right.
ik im late but one of the companies that insured Titanic, Allianz has a whole article about how Titanic was underinsured. Debunked the switch in 1 sentence aswell.
Olympic and Titanic...........switched at "berth"? ;P
Another part of the part switching I've seen is that the yard masters switched the recorded numbers to where Olympic was 401 and Titanic was 400. However, no evidence can be found as the records still reflect the original yard numbers. A few pieces of Titanic were used to help rebuild Olympic after the collision, but only a few. Not enough to warrant or lead to a whole theory of switching.
Another fact which was overlooked here. Olympic's promenade deck was opened to the elements whilst Titanic's Promenade deck was enclosed with glass which increased Titanic's gross weight. The additional enclosed volume was a major contributor to Titanic's increased gross register tonnage of 46,328 Imperial tons over Olympic's 45,324 Imperial tons, which allowed Titanic to claim the title of largest ship in the world.
People who believe in this theory are nine times out of 10 believers of the v-break theory. Titanic in Olympic or sister ships but they still had differences. Besides what a company really have a ship sink with the risk of people dying just for money ?
I hope the last part is a joke to name one from personal experience that they marketed oxy condone and cotton to minors with chronic pain and diseases and said it wasn't addictive or as addictive later as morphine when they had to admit it was addictive lol. I promise I'd rather take 30mg of oxy than of morphine just i have a high tolerance to morphine from breaking so many bones 40 some odd now and 10 plus surgeries I stopped counting both lol
@@ScoobyShotU he was referring to ships, but you are indeed right about that whole oxycodone shit
One thing you left out too was the Titanic and Olympic wasn't 100% identical. The Olympic's A deck promenade was open the entire length of the superstructure while Titanic's A deck promenade was enclosed from below the wheelhouse to the first class lounge between the 3rd and 4th funnels above. Aft of that the promenade was open. It was enclosed to allow passengers to walk outside without being pelted by rain, wind or other bad weather.
I’m sick of the amount of people who spread the switch theory
Me too especially on FB !!! So many people believed that the Olympic sank not Titanic !!!
Also, the Father Browne photographs are good pieces of evidence that the switch didn't happen. If u look at the 1st class dining saloon photograph carefully, it shows the partition of 1st class lounge and dining room. The partition had 3 wide glass windows with top corners curved. Olympic had 4 or 5 windows with less width and it's top being a single curve like an arch. The 1911 photographs and later photographs show this. This one is more popular image being circulated as Titanic's dining room.
His another photograph of poop deck shows the crane doors face sideways on Titanic. Olympic had crane doors facing forward.
Photographs of captain Smith alone and the one with officers together including Murdoch shows the wheelhouse is curved for Olympic. Titanic's wreck has straight wheelhouse wall.
Another one is Turkish bath layout. Olympic's Turkish bath cooling room was situated near the starboard hull, ie it had portholes. For Titanic, it was a bit inward and away from the starboard hull. There was a small corridor and the electric bath between the hull and cooling room in Titanic. Basically, Olympic has real portholes and Titanic had fake portholes for Turkish bath cooling room.
The cafe Parisian of Titanic has a plain wall at the end bcz there are 1st class staterooms forward. But Olympic's cafe Parisian has a door bcz it has promenade deck instead of rooms.
Titanic still has the Marconi room that's in the middle of boat deck while Olympic had marconi room on the port side. That's why Titanic's Marconi room had skylight. Olympic's Marconi room's position changed during refits post Titanic disaster.
Theorists claim 401 in propeller blade is due to Olympic using Titanic's blade after she threw one. What they conveniently avoid is that the Port propeller blade was thrown and replaced and the wreck shows the 401 stamping on Starboard propeller blade.
Switchers have been struggling to explain the 401 stamp on the propeller at the wrecksite since it was first discovered. Eventually, they invented the claim that a Titanic propeller was fitted to Olympic during the repair after the Hawke collision. There is precisely no evidence to support this claim. Records from the time state only that parts of Titanic's propeller SHAFT were fitted to Olympic to speed up her return to service.
The later repair, following the loss of a blade from Olympic's port propeller in February, 1912, merely involved bolting a new blade in place, and took only a day or two to undertake.
When people become as fixated as Switchers seemingly do, truth becomes irrelevant.
Sam is the best historian
Also, on Titanic’s wreck, you can see the number “401” on her propeller. That right there is more proof that Titanic was the ship that sank that night, and not Olympic.
And all of the photos of the Olympic that were taken following her failed attempt to dash to her sister’s rescue show that she looked exactly the same after the disaster as she did before and that she was in fact the Olympic, not the Titanic.
So you're saying they couldnt have used a not yet in use titanic propeller to repair the Olympic when it threw a propeller ?
Maybe. However, how do you explain all the other things at the wreck site with the number 401 on them? There is no evidence of anything down there with the number 400.
Conspiracy therosists are so bad you can point to the sky and say the sky is blue and they go nu uh and argue about it for hours with nonsense
My ❤. Knowing my relationship with my sister and seeing HT with his sister..I felt that! I would do anything to see my sister smile. Great content from both of you.
Well Olympic needed the propeller from titanic after she collided with hms Hawke and the wreck show this and also on the wreck there is 2 letters that are MP and titanic dont have MP in it and they not 100% twins either but too us they are twins at a look
Plus they would have to get numerous employees to go along with the switch without spilling the beans.
I'm not going to lie.. I myself fell victim to the "great switch" conspiracy theory a while back.. so I'm glad that you shed some light on the doubts that I had.. I feel like a total dolt..🤓
At least you saw the light, and were brave enough to admit you had fallen for the trap. A "total dolt" would be someone who fell for the hoax, found out about it, and rather than wising up, chose to double down on their belief in the conspiracy theory!
@@DamonNomad82 yeah i kinda believed in it for a while due to my dad... after I started doing more research I saw the light and realized my big error
the one thing that's missing in all of these for-and-against-the-switch theories is the evidence contained in the ship that remained in service for many years after the disaster. There would have been countless numbers of people who would be able to verify which ship was left behind, so to speak.... Various configuration differences, the number of the ship (400 / 401), slight infrastructure anomalies and - probably the most obvious - Evidence of repairs if it was, indeed, the Olympic that carried on in service