Farmers Stop Spending Money On This Fertilizer!
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This video Jay explains why Synthetic Phosphorus can be bad for your root development and how if you have been over applying it you may be able to cut it out of your program together.
The inspiration for today's video came from Green Cover Seed's webinars series with Dr Christine Jones. The links for those videos are below
• "Secrets of the Soil S...
• "The Phosphorus Parado...
• "The Nitrogen Solution...
• "Cover Cropping for Ca...
Seen wheat crops here in Australia keep growing and filling 3 weeks after a "conventional " crop was done in a dry finish, due to biology so yes crops and pasture will hang on longer. I have changed my grazing to the regen and have seen my organic carbon level go from 2% to 9% in 3 years.
Thanks For the comment Steve that’s great information!
Wow, awesome!
The other problems of too much soluble phosphorus is that you tie up available calcium, and there will be higher pressure for weeds like giant ragweed and waterhemp. Good video, glad to see your progress into regenerative ag is paying you dividends.
Thank for the feedback!
Ragweed draws up copper ; mulch it.
Most if not all weeds aren't weeds.
Best soil life promoter is sheep.
Carbon dioxide is plant food; the more the merrier.
Clay soils are high in phosphorus; it is the lack of soil structure in clay soils that are the primary limiter.
if calcium tied up, then the calcium/ magnesium ratio out of whack?
This series of videos has renewed my interest in agriculture. Thank you.
Just found this channel and the results look impressive
I'll be trying this
Producers are paying attention. Although I live in Omaha my AM station is KTIC West Point Nebraska. The station revenues come from Ag business related entities. Terms like regenerative ag soil health are becoming more and more common. I think over time producers will move away from artificial fertilizers insecticides fungicides and make more money and create healthier soils able to infiltrate the rain we get during the ongoing drought. Love what you’re doing
Thanks a lot for the encouragement Don!
Its enough to treat the roots, or seeds in your case, with the fungii and bacteria.
Great that you and other farmers discover the truths about chemical fertilizer.
Thanks!
Interesting , wondering how it would work in forage sorghum, it’s similar to milo , definitely would like more information about the system
Thanks brother!
Absolutely!
great, ure doing gods work
Thanks
Awesome. Was there a difference in taste or stock sap?
Hey man its more than how much crops you get per acre , your produce will taste better and be healther to eat , and have grater resestance to pests ect . thanks for making such good quility food ! Keep those worms happy !
I've very interested but can't wrap my brain around how to apply it while planting, or how to soak the seed in the extract. seems scary. any advice on where to look for application during planting. I've watched your vid on soaking the seed in the extract. and also i think you soaked milo seed in it just in a bucket??
So what do you recommend for wheat no phosphate just nitrogen?
What's the intro song?
Thanks
It would be interesting to see some of your soil test. On my land where I have the highest phosphorus is where the crops yield the best.
What plans have you for pastures. Cow producer's are battling.
It would be easier to process the figures if you presented a simple table on the screen:
N/P Bushels/acre
180/40: 238
0/0: 200
90/40+extract: 242
It was quite hard to understand, because the 3 test plot applications were introduced in a different order from the results.
Present the table above for 10s on the screen and people can understand (and pause and comprehend if they don’t, one time) quickly.
90/0 + extract
Working with nature that is awesome!
Look into Bio Agtive exhaust technology. Canadian company.
I have a related question about how soil replenishes nutrients like phos. I read that over time the ions in the deeper layers of the soil travel upwards to the top soil, however that its a slow process. This is probably the wisdom behind fallowing practice people used in the past. Now its all about churning out massive amounts of yields as often as you can just to keep afloat.
The very geology has npk + trace minerals in their structure, it's the biology that makes it available
@@billiebruv Facts. However I was thinking about the replenishment of nutrients in the top soil.
@@mooneym.3642 the topsoil, the mineral component, have the all the nutrients required for plant growth, it's the biology that make them available
Would you be able to show running 5 year soil samples of field irrigated and dry along with water irigation amounts? Had nieghbor switch to new water source that he didnt know had nitrogen contamination from a leaking n2 wall causing serious yield bump that was falsly thought to be a simular product.
Should also clairify this jumpstarted bactieria in soil and temperarily shot up phos and n2 numbera along with production. So just curious.
@@rickfreeman7892 yra should be seeing an increase in the full suite of beneficials, and a decrease in primary successional weeds with reduced added chemical salt fertilisers, and improved nutrient cycling with hastened organic matter degredation.
Seed treated with
Johnson su extraction....w/o adding N and what else. Dennis
Jay I’m curious what your thoughts are on your approach of not applying phos or synthetic fertilizer in general from the perspective of mining the soil. If your soil test shows 1200lbs of available phos and you were recommended to apply 40lbs per acre for a given crop supposing you don’t apply any and instead remove 40lbs per year what will be left in 30yrs? Do you believe there in a finite amount in the soil or that you will replenish the available amount through continuously building organic matter and natural mineralization as a result? Cheers
Great question Steven, When we apply 40 pounds of Phos 80% gets tied up with calcium. So we only need like 8lbs a year to raise a good crop. If we only use that much that’s like we have 150 year of phos. I’d rather build our top soil and figure out what to do about phos in 150 years then destroy the soil because we are not building it by over applying phos.
Great question.
Great point. I think your long term vision will pay dividends. I really believe more farms could be successful with regenerative ag if they could look past the first few years of learning and possible yield drag. It takes time to regain soil function. Gotta have faith in what you’re doing!
The N fixed by pasture legumes such as sub clover saves Australian farmers ∼$5 billion per year in inorganic fertiliser costs.
I use root grower..
How long does the compost have to brew for before you can apply it?
He says how long on the nitrogen video made just before this 1 was.
Is it better to fill your bioreactor with plants from the place you are going to plant your seeds in the end to boost your excicting micro organisms that are already ther? Greedings from Greece
I havnt done it yet. So I’m not sure.
I’m planning on using oats and flax. We shall see
What you mean by extract? And extract from the Johnson sue bio reactor. Maybe I’ll do some googling. Have me interested. I planted Milo, just got done with harvest. I’d like to transition away from synthetic N.
Hey Grant! I have Videos on how to make the Johnson Su Bioreactors. How to fill them, why your ingredients matter.
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how does it work on grass for pasture or hay production?
Nicole Masters in her Book for the love of Soil talks about a farmer in Montana that has gotten by great with it.
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Cory Miller from Montana is also doing a great job
How would this compost be applied to a no-till field? Wouldn’t you have to incorporate it and thus disturb the no-till environment?
Richard, great question! We are no till. This is how we have been incorporating it into our farming operation.
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I think for this to be effective long term and for the system to heal itself you have to be no till
Poultry litter and composts are high in phosphorus and I believe the phosphorus is taken up and becomes insoluble - Vicious cycle.
How does one obtain a Johnson sou machine
You have to make the come post the machine that breaks down the compost is a bio core extractor
youngredangus@gmail.com
Are you going to be at the Big Soil Health event in December.
What one?
I never here you mention potassium do you never use it and have you used it in the past?
It’s not something that we apply or have applied
I'm sorry this might be a dumb question but what is Milo
Sorghum
kansasfarmfoodconnection.org/blog/2018/05/08/the-history-of-sorghum
If you apply nitrogen, it will shut down the nitrogen fixing bacteria. So then you are stuck with applying nitrogen. Intermix at least 4 cover crops and you will get nitrogen fixing without any legumes. Worst thing you can do is plow.
Thanks for the feedback
thats not entirely correct, it will not shut down the bacteria what it does is makes the plant lazy and it doesnt uptake that bio available N, cover crops wont fix N unless they are a legume
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Did you get a chance to watch that video yet?
@@chrisundertow8464
Absolutely shuts down nitrogen fixing. Never heard of a lazy plant. Bacteria are the nitrogen fixers in the soil.
Here is the field test:
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Dr. Christine Jones, The Nitrogen Solution, starts about the 18 minute mark.
Dr. Jones also specifies what kind of 4 species you need for nitrogen fixing without legumes. Basically 4 unrelated species will do the trick. From the Green Cover Seed website.
There's a product made in Ireland called supersoil, which is a bacteria that gets applied to the land, and as long as you dont use any chemical fertiliser or fungicides it will work forever. It pulls nitrogen from the air.
Have seen alot of cattle/dairy farmers in the UK that have used half or less the normal N due to costs this year and they have reported bumper harvests on maize and grass yields.
Using chemical fertiliser in soil is the same as using easy start to get an engine started.
Once ya start using it, you're gonna have to keep using it.
Watching this after spreading 120$ per acre of phosphorus on winter wheat lol
Please tell us which form of phosphorus you use. TSP, MAP, DAP, SSP, rock phosphate?. What sulphur. Which form of N. Urea? SOA. In furrow, broadcast, foliar fed?
On corn we were using Agri Liquid pro-Germinator 9% N 24% P 3% K .10% iron in furrow at planting and Using Urea broadcasted 2 to 3 weeks prior to planting for corn.
All I can say is that these high prices have farmers looking for more options and more opportunities to work with there programs. Farmers listen to us now and with our results, we are making a great inroads for them and helping the soil health at the same time
What line of work are you in?
@@youngredangus6041 we have four products that all are intended for soil health building. Plant based foliar feed. Micronutrient seed treatments. The best by far is the surfactant. The proven results speak for themselves. We bring the highest standards of customer service
Where are you located? We are in Wisconsin.
@@darrelpatzner9926
Tribune Ks
I am familiar with the land out there. When I drove truck over the road, I was delivering tires or parts for irrigation systems
Our biggest thing is the drought central Kansas
I'm understanding how your compost method will utilize previously unusable nitrogen and other nutrients already in the soil but what happens when that nitrogen in the soil is used up after a few years? You'll be back to using synthetic nitrogen again right?
Well why do we have a stock pile? We have over applied for years. What if we can be more efficient with 40lbs of N then we were with 200lbs of N?
We are just scratching the surface of the possibilities.
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@@youngredangus6041 Well I understand, and I see how the increased efficiency will mean less nitrogen input. This is great. The goal has always been to use as little of the most expensive input possible that will still yield the maximum result. But in ten years when your stockpile is used up you'll have to up the nitrogen again in order to get the same results....I don't see any way around that.
@@snarf114 The air you breath is 78% nitrogen. Cover crops will fix nitrogen back into the soil from the air.
Even if your line of thinking is correct, which it isn't, his tests say there is 3336 lbs in the soil. Not all the nitrogen used by the plant is taken off the field in the seed. What is there is decades worth of nitrogen, even if his cover crops never fix one pound into the soil.
@@jimlewis1992 Eventually nitrogen in the soil does get used up. He said himself two comments up from this that the reason his nitrogen is so high is because they over applied for years. I farm wheat it TX and my soil samples show under 20# per acre. So no, you can't just capture all the nitrogen you need directly from the air if your land is exhausted. Wheat needs 150-200# to maximize and without that it will not produce. Also, I cover crop but that's not only for nitrogen, that's to build organic matter to loosen the soil and help with water retention.
@@snarf114 You don't understand the test he showed you. It's not a typical soil test. It's a Total nutrient density test done only by Regen Labs. Your test would be similar with thousands of pounds of unavailable N in the ground. I'm not going to waste any more time responding to someone who has obviously not listened to Dr. Christine Jones regarding this.
Why do Americans use the Portuguese word Milho oddly pronounced as Milo instead of using the English word Sorghum? Is it a brand of seed you are using? Not a criticism just a curiosity. Keep up the good work. We are trying this method on our small farm in Zambia this year.
I have no idea. Just googled searched this
Enjoy
sorghumgrowers.com/magazine/milo-or-sorghum-what-say-you/
Depends on region of the US. Seems like east of the Mississippi tends to call it Sorghum, while further west it's Milo.
@@jacoblandis4535
I agree with that
Small milo , millet, and sorghum are different enough to have a seperate name. Most know they are the same family, but... different.
We used to grow sorghum. The tall stuff. I believe it was called sundan grass. Seed wasn't harvested. It was grown for green chop/haylage.
Try carbonic farming
I wonder how often throughout the day you have conversations with yourself?
I only stop talking to myself when I talk to other people
So how do I know that what you were saying is genuine science?
In the show notes from the Nitrogen Myth I share presentation from the 4 scientists that I follow that I’ve learned all the things I’ve shared. I’ll get those for you
Dr Christine Jones
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Dr James White
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Dr David Johnson
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Dr Toby Kiers
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" trust me bro "
@@sunstruckfarms4489
I didn’t say trust me i gave 4 well respected scientists. If you would like further reading about people doing it all over the world you can read.
For the Love of the Soils By Nicole Masters.
Do you want help on making a Bioreactor so you can try it on your own farm so you can see how it works?
I don’t know why everyone has such a hard time with this. I’m genuinely trying to help people and I have plenty of videos showing how to build the bioreactor people can make for free.
@@youngredangus6041 the reason " everyone " has a hard time with this is that most people have learned there is no free lunch , you dont seem to have that down yet
It's all about organic farming, synthetic killing health of people, plants and whatever is in the ground. Good people wake up and see that we all are dependent on this planet of each other. We need those bugs in the ground. Now we going back to old ways glad to see that.
Come to Kansas and show me how to do organic with out tillage
Then educate me
If we don’t quit tillage we won’t have soil in 50 years
What good is organic if you can’t farm?
We will get there but we have to quit tilling before we lose the soil.
That corn doesn't look to good to me
Sounds like the same bull shit preached 50 years ago by a company named Pure Plant Food.
Not at all Dug would you like so more videos to watch from some scientists doing it for years?
Australian Agriculture has no government support. The vast majority of crops are no till with animals on the stubble and sub clover. Look at innovations such as the Harrington seed destructor, pasture cropping etc
Look into Bio- agtive.
Tell me about it?
I find I hard to believe you raised 240 bushel corn with that amount of plants per acre in the field you were in looked like 12,000 population with plants foot and half apart
You have a good eye. Most of the plants in the video are about 12k populations. Our irrigated ground that raised 242 was 25k.
That took place in 2021. I speak at a conference in Lakin Ks and get into it deeper the video is:
Johnson Su Compost: Improving Soil Health While Reducing Input Cost/ With Jay Young
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Make your own fertilizer with the “Jadam” method. Grow your own microbes.
You have a good video on that method you would like to share?
Please give a bit more info
Keep doing this for the next 30 years and see how the yields are… should work out for starvation of future generations
Thanks for the comment. Is this the first video of mine that you have watched?
this all isn't true you're missing a key ingredient that untied the phos
240 bushel orn using bad but it's not 500
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I mean on 11 inches of rain and limited irrigation with our soils 500 isn’t a reality
@@youngredangus6041 where are you growing corn?
@@johnwhitney1620
Western Ks
6miles from Colorado
You?
ny
Sadly the corporations will have a target on your back because you are spreading the truth about the Corporations 😊corrupted system of farming.
Get back to us in 3 years when u have burnt up the phos in your bank…
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Have you had a chance to watch this video?
Brent I understand farmers being skeptical. I will keep people posted on what our soil test show. Are you close to Tribune Ks? I’m hosting a free workshop that teaches how to make Johnson Su compost if you are interested in coming.
If you can make it I’m sure I’ll post videos from the workshop.
I’ll be sharing are results and how our soils respond to not applying phos.
I don't buy it, . Farmers aren't red necks or morons, they are businessmen. If there was any positive benefit to stopping the use of manmade fertilizers it would have been done 60 years ago.
Do people honestly believe that generations of farmers would continue to pay for fertilizer if this where more productive?
Composting is absolutely nothing new and believe me farmers know EXACTLY what they are doing, how to cultivate their land, and how to maximize results.
I believe what you have here is the global warming/climate change crowd putting on a show of (re-inventing) farming by sticking a guy with a beard in front of some corn, using some appropriate lingo and a flannel shirt to suggest authenticity.
There are mass protests in Europe at-this-moment regarding just this sort of thing, and the vast majority of farmers have denounced the discontinuation of fertilizers and believe me THEY are the experts at what is best for their land, and their business.
This video (and others like it) probably appear in peoples feed to circumnavigate people's common sense and lay a foundation of for the government to ban fertilizers.
Are you close to Kansas
Would you like a tour of our farm?
I tend to not agree entirely, I have had my own property and worked for several farmers over the years. Here in Australia there are just as many good farmers as bad ones. However I am very open minded and can see both sides of the argument.
Typically farmers are a bunch if tight arses and won’t spend a penny more than they absolutely have to. For the last twenty years, the previous two not included, I have been defend by the farming community bitching about the drought being the reason for the lack of yield and so on. When you look at the rainfall totals, sure we have had one or two tough years rainfall wise, but by in large the rainfall has moved away from the traditional winter patterns we usually have. But old farmer Joe has just kept doing what dad and grandad have done because that’s all they know!.
So now we have had two wet years the floods will be the excuse for poor yields. Now I don’t doubt a lot of crop is currently being submerged and that yield will be drastically reduced, but what about the fields that don’t go under? Will poor yield be due to the floods on them?.
The last couple of years we would have leached a lot of nutrient deeper in the soil profile or right out completely and with the craze of using speed tillers as primary and secondary cultivation tools that’s going on we are not only destroying organic matter, soil biology and reducing soil carbon, we are also creating a shallow compaction layer and reducing the air space in the soil because of it. So poor as much fertiliser on as you like, but without the moisture, organic matter and soil biology you are restricting the uptake of anything applied to the soil by the plant. Biologicals have their place as much as the synthetic/man made fertilisers the same as organic methods and conventional farming. One system on its own is not sustainable, if you have the smarts you will be able to pick out pieces from all the different ideologies that work together and create balance in the soil and your farming systems to achieve good yields with minimal costs.
It’s not all one way or the other biology is useless without nutrients as is nutrients without the biology.
Let’s all take a step back and look at what’s going on in the field and take the time to evaluate this. For me it’s always been compaction, low calcium, sulphur and nitrogen issues in my area. As soon as I employed deep tillage and addressed these other issues and went to minimum tillage, not only did my soil improve but so did my yields.
Be brave and try stuff, take educated and evaluated risks, you will never know if you don’t give it a go.
I advocate for American farmers so that they may continue to ply their trade as they see fit, with minimal interference from the government, and in direct response to the current world wide push to eliminate man made fertilizers in response to "climate change".
With the current situation in Canada and Europe, the American people have become weary of any government intervention aimed at the American farmer.
I expect Americans to voice their opinions when a video appears on their feed supporting the elimination or reduction of man made fertilizers at a time when governments around the world are imposing laws that do that very thing..
If there is a better means of production the free market will decide just as it has done in the past, and that is where I put my faith.
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So why not visit my farm and see what we are doing? Rather then implying I’m a left winger trying to advocate to outlaw fertilizers.
I’ve never said I’m for the government outlawing fertilizer,