The Laney Sound -vs- The Marshall Sound
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ย. 2024
- In this video I compare two classic Hardrock guitar tones! The Laney sound is mostly associated with Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath and the Marshall sound is widely used by for instance Kiss, ACDC, Lede Zeppelin etc. The two rigs I'm using today are:
Laney:
1969 Laney Supergroup 60
1972 Laney/Dan Armstrong 4x12 with T1976 Greenbacks
BSM DM-T Treble Booster
Marshall:
2016 Marshall JMP 1959SLP
1973 Marshall 1960B 4x12 - เพลง
Both have their own unique tone but, can we give a thumbs up to that bass tone!!! It sounded AMAZING! Keep rockin Johan! 🤘🏻🎸
Thanks! Glad you like it. I’m a fan of bridge mud buckers
@@JohanSegebornIs it a real mudbucker or one of those fakebuckers the japanese sometimes used?
Making me rethink my bass rig with that setup. Always need another 😂 have a trinity Amps B15 kit and a ampeg v4 that sound great at their ideal volumes. Looking up mudbuckers. Those amps sound amazing
The marshall and Lanel are amazing BUT the sound of the lake next to the mountains in Switzerland when it gently hits the rocks is AMAZING!!!!
Correction: Sweden@@saucerfullofzepp4203
Wow!!!! I bet there’s nobody else on TH-cam who’s been able to document so much vintage and classic gear, nor as many different combinations as you have! Your channel is a real treasure! 😉
Thanks, it’s really good to hear that!
uh nice one… funny how small those big amps sound. no thundering lows… band makes em big. maybe make a vid on that supposed. billy
gibbons quote „want a big sound? get a small amp“. pignose makes a great bass amp
The Laney sounds like it has some extra evilness to it! Thanks Johan
Thanks! Yeah that’s the USP of the Laney! 😁
The doubled riff sounds amazing. Both setups are spot on and those huge kick and snare drums help make the whole thing sound massive. Nicely done!
Thanks! Really good to hear that!
Well said.
I don't know what we would do without you Johan! Hands down the most entertaining and enlightening channel on youtube.
100%!
Thanks, really glad to hear that!
Except Pewdepie.
Awesome comparison! People always discounted Laney amps. Johan just proved what they are all about.
Thanks Don! Yeah the Laney has such a disobedient vibe to it!
Well I'm just a bit disappointed that they turned out to be less gainy than the Marshalls despite being the amps that gave us metal
Your full mix sound is getting better and better!
Thanks! Really good to hear that!
Love to see the Brothers Segeborn back together! Great riffage and I loved both tones. They pair well together. Marshall was more creamy and saturated. Laney was more raw and cutting. Seemed like less gain, but no less brutal. Very Iommi-esque like you said. Fantastic stuff as usual Maestro Johan. God bless and rock on 🎸😎👍
Thanks man glad to hear it! Rock on!
This righteous riffage I may borrow!
I thought the Laney actually had better mids and was warmer while the Marshall had a raspier sound that I didn’t care for as much-and I’m usually a Marshall guy. In the late 80’s I bought a Laney Pro-Tube 100 made in the mid 80’s which was Laney’s answer to the JCM800 and it was better than a JCM800.
Thanks Scott
I used 2 aor pro-tube heads in the late'80's and early '90's. Loved the gain and versatility but they were so hissy I ended up using a rack preamp and just the Laney power sections. I think they were too complicated for their own good. Owned an earlier Laney with two 6ca7s, basic Marshall style layout knobwise, and that thing kicked major a**. One of the ones you wish didn't get away.
I had a Laney GH50L a little over 10 years ago. It was a AOR but with more bass. It’s an incredible amp and made a Marshall JCM800 sound weak in comparison.
I liked the Laney better, it has a fuller body and a more balanced response, also i like that most of the Laneys i had heard didn't had any speaker fizziness, while the Marshall sounded to me quite thin on the body and with a janglier, fizzier response.
Thanks!
Sounds like a leftover track/demo from the first Montrose album...really cool stuff 👍
Thanks my friend :-)
THIS is gonna be a MONSTER comp of EPIC proportions!
Cheers DMS! 😀
@@JohanSegeborn C U soon! \m/
Thanks for the great work over the years. It is a sort of tone mythbusting, much appreciated. Since I discovered your channel, I use it is a reference. I've been recording and producing albums for decades but instead of explaining things over and over again, I just direct folks to listen to your videos. It is all there, all the nuances and differences, perfectly matching to what I experienced over the years. Thank you, mate!
Thank you for the massive effort you have to put into making your vintage gear comparisons. Hauling big cabs around isn't easy, So it definitely has to be a labor of love. Hopefully these videos will be around forever as a reference or in a library of some kind long after we are all gone.
Nothing wrong with ANYTHING in that video!! Sounds *killer* 100%!! impressive playing and "production" too Johan
Thanks my friend! 🤘
With Johan's hard work, creative and unique approach I think he had deserved 100k subs years ago. In fact I don't understand why he hasn't got twice as much...
@@alanst.4417 100% 🤘
Such an awesome sounding mix - this sound is whats missing in modern rock
Marshall-Hiwatt-Laney three way shootout. You know we want to see it.
That’s a good idea. I need to get a Hiwatt
@@JohanSegebornyeeeeeeah more Hiwatt 😎👍
Love it when every instrument has its own voice. I like the combo.
I really like the quacky honky sound of the Laney. It doesn't sound nasally or flat...it just has a brash glassy sound that although I think stands perfectly fine on its own, blends very nicely with the Marshall here.
Thanks, glad to hear it!
I'm surprised I liked the Laney better. It sounded fantastic!
Thanks! Glad to hear that
The bass sound is spectacular, I love it!
Thanks, glad you like it!
You're having way too much fun, Johan! Excellent riffing!!
Thanks! I sure am 😂
Straight up I'm leaning too the Marshal. Together they fill the freq range nicely, but the fuller tone of Jim's box wins. Try these with a practice or cheap amp or like a Fender Champ
Thanks
I really liked the Laney sound here.
Thanks!
I would have preferred to hear one amp at a time.
I thought the circuit of the 1959 and the Laney were nearly the same.
What speakers did the Laney use?
Wow! my two favorites amps of all time Marshall 1959slp and Laney Supergroup really great tone! and great playing
Thanks! Glad you like them!
The Laney surely sounds good but man...the Marshall tone still amazes me every time that I hear it!
Wow! Fantastic rock performance by the Segeborn Band! ;) Love the biting, slightly nasal Laney sound (almost as much as the Marshall--very nice), but it's hard to tell how much is attributable to the treble booster and/or that cab + speaker combination? Nevertheless, a very enjoyable comparison--thanks to The Johan Four!
Thanks! Yeah the speakers and treble booster is indeed important factors
You never fail to deliver my friend! That was fantastic! You are one of the most underrated channels on TH-cam... you should have over a million Subscribers! Eventually people will realize what a gem of a channel you have and it will attract the large number of followers you deserve! I really enjoyed that raw sound of the Laney!
Both sounded great in the mix. Thanks Johan!
Thanks! I’m glad you like it!
Laney cuts better but Marshall has the tone we love from so many great recordings and legendary players, great production❤
Would love to see you demo a Laney AOR series from the '80's.
Yeah I’m really curious about those too. First chance I get
Sounds great. Staying on beat while tapping your foot off beat is a hidden talent.
Hahaha! Yeah it’s a tail rather than a foot
Great video Johan. Both amps are classic and sound great. The Laney breaks up a little bit more but I would be hard pressed to pick one. Monster tone and great tune. Thank you Johan. Cheers from Hawaii. Darrell
Thanks Darrell! Cheers!
My experience with Laney is they can imitate Marshall with broadly similar Celestions in the cabs. Laney can play a trick with the second pre-amp (gain) valve to alter its biassing on the fly, which Marshall don't do. The cabinets, typically birch ply, could be of more variable quality than Laney. You could take two amps of the same model off the peg and they would sound different.
Amazing! I think the clear solution is to run both at the same time 😉 maybe throw in an old OR120 halfstack to complete the British wall of sound!
Thanks! All courses on the menu stirred down n a bucket a la Terry Jones!
1 great thing about living in the middle of sweden is NO NEIGHBOURS! I can rock out as loud as I wnt at 2am with no complaints. dig the jam man loving it.
Thanks man glad to hear it!
I usually played Marshalls in my punk rock days. But I also owned some Orange, Laney, and Sound City amps at that time. They were all very cool and unique. I usually used the Marshalls for live performances. Thanks KC
They are a fantastic complement of each other.
Thanks I think so too! Both in terms of frequencies and attitude
No substitute for a good 4x12.
Currently rocking a Laney VC30 212 fitted with Hiwatt speakers and jolly nice it is too.
Johan,Thank you for all of the cool gear that you share with us.
The Laney Lionheart is one of my favorite amps ever made !!
Awesome demo Johan ! Always wanted to hear them side by side. Both are great to my ears. The laney comes out nicely when playing riffs while the Marshall works really well when playing room wide chords. Clearly both are different but they augment each other well.
Thanks, glad you like it!
I really like the bass tone! Great playing.
Thanks! Great to hear that!
Both sound really good together. I would choose the laney
Who doesn't love those old Marshall Plexi sounds? That said, I'm more of a Laney guy. They just seem to have a bit more a full frequency spectrum to my ears. They're just a better fit for me. But, again, if I were doing a fly in and all that was available was the Marshall, I wouldn't complain any. :)
Laney/SG for sure, but maybe I'm not being impartial. Your posts are always fun and informative, thanks.
Just, so well done, Johan. Cheers!!
Thanks, really glad to hear that! Cheers!
Those blend so well together👍👍
Thanks!
The answer is YES
Cheers!
Great tune and killer tone (as usual)! They pair up exceedingly well! Cheers.
Thanks, glad to hear it! Cheers!
Both fantastic amps with their own unique sound!!
Cheers!
@@JohanSegeborn Cheers Johan 🍻
Cool vid! Both set-ups sound great, but different of course. The Marshall has the signature Marshall "KERRAG" in the upper-mids. The Laney is a little fuller sounding...low-mids maybe. Laney amps typically dark-sounding usually requiring a treble boost of some sort and Marshall amps just sounding they way they sound, I'll go for the Marshall, keeping in mind though that I'm a Marshall-guy. They'd sound the best together in a band situation. I liked the gear provided courtesy of Carlsburg as well!
Thanks! Yeah can’t get too much Carlsberg
What a great idea! As always your videos are always lots of fun
I'm surprised that Laney is the more nasally one.
I have a VH100R and it's a rather warm, mid-range sounding amp. I absolutely love it especially when it's on the "Lead" channel.
Dude, one of the best videos that you’ve ever posted!
Thanks, really good to hear that!
Mix sounds fantastic! Great stuff as always
Thanks Matt!
As I warching this I was thinking do I want to sound more like Angus Young or Tony Iomi ??? lol.. Grear comparision video and nice playing too.
the guitar tones are amazing... but THAT BASS TONE!! oh my god!
Would love to see a demo/hear your thoughts on the Pro Tube series
Dayum, you upped your game. Love this format. The Marshall with that guitar just sounded amazing. Laney has too much bottom end but still a great tone.
Hej Johan, apart from your killer guitar work on the Marshall (as usual) and on the Laney, I am deeply impressed by your drumming and bass playing on this track. You sound killer!!! And Laney and Marshall match up so well. Impressive. Keep it up, man!
Thanks Raphael! Makes my day to hear that
Great video. I think they work really well together in the mix but I easily prefer the tone of the Marshall when listening to them individually. 👍
Thanks! Glad you like it
@johansegeborn your playing is great as usual! You really should consider recording and album!
My choice of marshalls is 60's plexi 's after owning 100's and 50's for 45 years i sold the 100n's and kept my 68 50w plxi its bone stock and does it all ! I had a laney in the 70's it was to bright for me but a solid amp for sure cheers !
Ph.D Johan is back. That is one I have never played or even seen in person, a Laney.
Cheers 😉
As others have said, they sound great combined and also compliment each other really well.
I think the Marshall has more of a bark, especially in the top end. The Laney has a wonderful thick and unrefined, almost growl-like tone. Thanks for demonstrating them both so well together!
I don't think Laney amps get anywhere near the recognition they deserve. I have an old 100W AOR head but would love a Supergroup too, unfortunately they are prohibitively expensive! Out of curiousity, have you ever tried a LA30BL? I wonder how it would compare.
Thanks! Yeah Laney is a huge part of hard rock tone. I haven’t tried the LA30BL yet though I’m afraid
@@JohanSegeborn we need to make that happen, Johan! get in touch!
Lovely sounds! I would be curious to hear it with guitars swapped. Maybe it's just me but I think there is a distinct SG tone on the Laney.
Thanks! These guitars are actually very similar sounding, the Nordin is a bit more dynamic. The Laney tone is so associated with SG and Sabbath so I also intuitively cone to think of SG when I play it
Johan, did you try the classic Laney setup with the treble booster into the bass high input on the LA60BL/LA60LBO head? It would tame some of the upper end fizz of the Laney Treble input with the treble booster and the metal dome Celestions. Also a pass on I got for Tony Iommi's mid '70s rig, the speakers used with the Laney rig were JBL D120F orange frames with the 4in metal dust cap.
Yeah, I know he used the bass channel, but with this rig I liked this the best. Do you have any reference for the JBLs?
@@JohanSegeborn This was a comment on my channel "A Google search brings it up eventually. I know a Fender Twin was used on the SBS album and that probably also had the JBL's in it. John "Dawk" Stillwell (r.i.p) confirmed on his old website that the Laney cabs he inspected in Sabbath's lockup in 1979 had orange frame D120F's."
That's a righteous jam! Killer tones.
Thanks Doug, glad to hear it!
IMO, Laneys are darker and thicker sounding than the bright, piercing Marshall. The Marshall cuts through a mix, the Laney fills in a mix. They compliment each other very well. I’m partial to Laney.
Absolutely killer track Johan. Marshall and Laney are great together has you prove here. Don't know many bands, if any, played both together
Thanks Darren! I don’t know of any such band either
Bright cap at marshal volume_1 potentiometer makes dramatical difference at gain settings 0-8.
I think we mainly hear this difference and of course the speakers.
If you use Marshall channel 2 and same cabinet, the difference will be very minor, it will be too difficult to recognize it on the video...
If you think the difference between a Marshall at the normal channel an a Laney is negligible then TH-cam channels like this one must seem completely pointless to you.
@@JohanSegeborn My statement was with using SAME cabinet. I could see schematics of both amps - schematics with normal channel pass have negligible difference, chassis shows us that both use same components (mustard caps and so on...). Different output transformers are negligible until both are robust with suitable frequency bandwidth - different valve sets can make much more difference (I guess you didn't switched same valves set from amp to amp).
You don't have to agree with all of above, I just say what I think.
By the way, don't you find it as good idea for new video? I mean to make a comparison of the normal channels with SAME cabinet? ;)
Sån härlig vibe på videon, underbar demonstration ! 👏
Tackar, Gott att höra!
So eine schöne Stimmung in den Videos, wunderbare Demonstration!
Both sound good, but I prefer the Laney. Has more meat to it, and Marshall's have always had a tendency to make double coil pickups sound kind of single-coil/Strat'ish to me.
Thanks!
Great song/sound! ....from this kind of songs which you could play all night long ;) Regards.
Thanks man! 😁Glad to hear it
nice.. dig the Marshall's tone more
Thanks Robin!
Wow! Awesome combination
Thanks Ian!
I'm not sure that was a fair comparison. The Laney tracks didn't seem to involve any Carlsberg like the Marshall tracks did.
Hahaha! That’s an important observation 😁🍺
thanks Johan!!! so funny lstening at high volume! you rock all gear long!!!
Thanks! Yeah that’s how it should be consumed
everything about this production is so cool!!
Great demo !There is something about marshall that glue the all instruments together… I was a week ago on Festival There was many bands . But There was one band with old Gretsh also other band but with vintage ludwig both with supraphonic Ampeg 8x10 marshall Jcm and it just all sing together. Fat punch and clean with all expression. For me Laney Here Jump and loose the sound. My Laney lc15 it’s kinda same like something is too much and not enough same time ;)
Johan, impressive playing here, really! Talented multi-instrumentalist! 🤘
Whohoo, what a huge wall of great sounds!!! 🤘😛(that's Dio's horns in Sabbath + Gene Simmons tongue).
Thanks! 😉 Glad to hear it
Marshall has the treble Krang Laney has the fiery midrange bite of a dragon
Yeah the Laney has an electrical dangerous quality to it
Answer to the question is ...YES, the 2 sounds mix awesomely!!!!! PS that's a strange place to hang a Boss TU-2 tuner.
Thanks! Yeah that short cable gave me a hard time 😆
Great playing and sounds like always Johan!
But.... how can you compare two amps with two different guitars and (even worse) two different cabinets both in size and speakers, Goodmans vs Celestion?
Thanks! We’re comparing the rigs not the amps. These are the quintessential cabs for respective brand 4x12 with T1221 for the Marshall and 4x12 with T1976 for Laney. Both Greenbacks by the way.
Great song and riffs Johan!! I'll always pick Marshall 🤘!! It is the sound of rock!
Thanks glad to hear it!
The Marshall sounds more flat or something and the Laney is more open and nasal sounding!they compliment each other well
Thanks, glad to hear it!
Nice tones, and that drummer...
He's a machine
Thanks Jonny, that’s kind of you!
@@JohanSegeborn Hey mate, you're doing the work and harvesting some cool stuff... Rock on (!)
The only guy on TH-cam playing big rhythm guitar and not trying to widdle likeJohn Mayer or stevie malmsteen
Johan, not only can you come up with some amazing demo hooks, you could also probably step on a cats tail and it would sound great! 😁
Cool. I've always wanted a Super Group. I'd be very interested to hear each amp through their own - and then through each other's - matching 4x12 cab. Rock on Johan!
They sound awesome together Johan!! They really compliment each other well. Great playing as usual Johan!
Thanks Jeff! Good to hear that
I like the Laney but there's something that is bothering me in the highs (some sort of Shhhhhhh if that makes sense). I think it's probably coming from the cabinet.
Thanks, I push the treble booster on top of a cranked amp (low treble input though) so it’s taken to the limit for sure
I think my earphone cable is mixed up, laney ended up sounding on my right side (as per video). I thought Johann said laney would be on the left.
aside form that, I really enjoy the 'honky' Laney creates and how you mix it on this video, Johann. Great work as always.
Both have their own sound. I think a few of the newer model Laneys come closer to classic Marshall sounds than this guy - hence why they get the monicker "Poor Mans Marshall". Nothing wrong with them though. Besides, it's got a lot to do with the speaker choice too.
Yeah both respective brands are represented by their typical amps as welll as cabs
Holy S#%%!!!.... When does the Segeborns go on tour? Imagine how good this would be live.
Hahaha! Once they tighten up a bit… 😁
...and the Segeborn brothers crocs gang strikes again! Very strong this time with both Marshall and Laney half stacks. Definitely among my most favourites, the bass and drum tracks have a great vibe and your riffage is very catchy! Hope it's gonna be a part of your album someday... The amps seem to compliment each other well, although the Laney seems to stay more in the background. Wonder why some bands didn't use this combination? Cheers and rock on Johan🤘
Love what your playing. What cords are they?
Thanks, that’s E0 G0 G#0 E1 in the verse and C, G, A, E stick