HIRMS Gangut (1894) - Guide 276

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  • @Drachinifel
    @Drachinifel  2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Pinned post for Q&A :)

    • @delurkor
      @delurkor 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      USS Savannah CL42; sumins on the Fritz.

    • @dandarling152
      @dandarling152 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What percentage of a ship's length is covered by the keel? Many ships during combat, ramming or storm have lost portions of bow or stern. The American heavy cruisers who survived the Battle of Tassafaronga lost their bows all of the way back past main gun turrets. I assume this means portions of the keel were lost too. How do you replace that much of a bow, replace that portion of the keel, and have it stay strong?

    • @aftglobalmaps7878
      @aftglobalmaps7878 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      How KMS Bismarck fooled the Royal navy?

    • @joshthomas-moore2656
      @joshthomas-moore2656 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      How much of a help or hinderence was Queen Elizabeth during the Spannish Armarda?

    • @brendonbewersdorf986
      @brendonbewersdorf986 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How would you go about modernizing a ironclad? The conversion of the ottoman ironclad mesudiye is a good starting point but how would you modernize it even further?

  • @germanvahatov4314
    @germanvahatov4314 2 ปีที่แล้ว +234

    Russian sailors actually had a joke about Gangut: One mast, one chimney, one gun - one big mistake

    • @seanmalloy7249
      @seanmalloy7249 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      "Одна мачта, один дымоход, одно ружье -- одна большая ошибка ."

    • @germanvahatov4314
      @germanvahatov4314 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@seanmalloy7249Н-да, вообще фраза звучит: "Одна, мачта, одна труба, одна пушка, одно недоразумение", я перевел как смог

  • @cartmann94
    @cartmann94 2 ปีที่แล้ว +215

    3:18 “…the stern-walk of the Imperator Nikolai I. that’s the ship, not the czar.”
    Thanks for the clarification, Drach.

    • @WalterReimer
      @WalterReimer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      But, it must be admitted, he did have a noice . . . I've said too much.

    • @na3044
      @na3044 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Whaaat, Nicky Romanov didn't have a gold-plated and painted asshole???

    • @johnlavery3433
      @johnlavery3433 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      The Czar’s stern walk was gilded

    • @jonrolfson1686
      @jonrolfson1686 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      A stern walk, perforce, differs very substantially from a frivolous walk.

    • @genericpersonx333
      @genericpersonx333 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      To be fair, if a man dead for over thirty years had been able to engage in a stern walk in the late 1880s, I I think we would be talking about that more than the ships his Grandson was commissioning.

  • @deveskew6590
    @deveskew6590 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    The cutaway of the ship’s layout, and really the whole ship in general, looks like it belongs in a Studio Ghibli film
    This is my favorite era of ship design because of how unique the ships could be, it’s not optimal efficiency but it’s still cool to see the creativity

  • @mpetersen6
    @mpetersen6 2 ปีที่แล้ว +155

    The Imperial Japanese Navy had a top secret rock laying ship operating outside of Russian ports

    • @razorburn645
      @razorburn645 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Nonsense! clearly these are torpedo boats firing the new rock torpedo.

    • @voiceofraisin3778
      @voiceofraisin3778 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@razorburn645 Double nonsense, it was obviously an early version of the Granit anti-shipping missile.

    • @alexsis1778
      @alexsis1778 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@voiceofraisin3778 Triple nonsense, it was definitely a Basalt class proximity mine.

    • @josephdedrick9337
      @josephdedrick9337 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Kamchacta says "torpedoboats ahoy!"

    • @c.p.2662
      @c.p.2662 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@josephdedrick9337 loving this Referenz.

  • @Big_E_Soul_Fragment
    @Big_E_Soul_Fragment 2 ปีที่แล้ว +234

    A list of enemies of the Imperial Russian Navy:
    -some fishing boats
    -imaginary torpedo boats
    -the Imperial Japanese Navy
    -the Kamchatka
    -rock

    • @Aelxi
      @Aelxi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      We need tactical binoculars!!

    • @cartmann94
      @cartmann94 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      A russian Baltic ship so bad, it actually MISSED Tsushima.

    • @milanmaletic3997
      @milanmaletic3997 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      The biggest enemy to the Russian navy has always been, and still is, corruption. During the tsarist times, nobleman were in charge of the military, and you can pocket quite a lot of money when ordering a warship. Another great problem was, and still is, their doctrine. They still don't have one.

    • @haskenvonbern5404
      @haskenvonbern5404 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      And don’t forget the Russian army, constantly stealing the guns of the Black Sea fleet to bolster its own fortifications

    • @fredsanford5954
      @fredsanford5954 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Just wait until the Ukrainians deploy Naval Tractors. I'm thinking something like giving Ukrainian fishermen ship-towing rigs to put on their fishing boats. No Russian ship will be safe.

  • @startrekker4596
    @startrekker4596 2 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    Upon her sinking, Russian Rear Admiral Birilev, one of her former captains, called her "a vile ship, it's good that she sank, and it is pointless to raise her."

    • @kmech3rd
      @kmech3rd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Dang. He didn't mince words, did he?

    • @alexsis1778
      @alexsis1778 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wow that's harsh lol

    • @lafeelabriel
      @lafeelabriel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm sure that Stephan Makarov was even more colourful in his opinion even though his isn't recorded..

  • @lucidnonsense942
    @lucidnonsense942 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Yay a wreck I actually dove on! You can swim through the Navigator's Cabin and the captain's quarters (we didn't go into that one.) An amazing dive for mid-to high experience wreck divers. Very well preserved and the external areas aren't particularly deep or challenging. If you are comfortable with deco stops and cold water dives, you are good to go. You could do a quick no deco dive if you want to just tick off the list, but it's worth going through the extra hassle to explore a bit.

  • @Wolfeson28
    @Wolfeson28 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    6:38
    "Sir, we've hit a rock!"
    "That's bad."
    "It's an uncharted rock, sir."
    "That's good."
    "The ship's flooding, sir."
    ...
    "That's bad, sir."

    • @johnladuke6475
      @johnladuke6475 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The fro-gurt is also cursed.

    • @ZeldaTheSwordsman
      @ZeldaTheSwordsman ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I mean, I'm pretty sure the captain knew that part. But the rock being uncharted did spare him a "Don't you know how to read a map, you absolute idiot?!"

  • @johnshepherd8687
    @johnshepherd8687 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I find the period between the late 1880s through the first generation of Dreadnoughts the most interesting period in ship design. After the first all big gun ships ship design is just an increase in scale along the lines of speed, protection and firepower.

  • @EricDaMAJ
    @EricDaMAJ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    The lengths some Russian ships will go to avoid the Russo-Japanese War!

    • @jonskowitz
      @jonskowitz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Or, the depths anyway ;p

  • @David-il9xw
    @David-il9xw 2 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    This ship is as strange as those of Drachinifel’s fantasy fleet, at least to one who knew nothing of vessels from this period.

    • @simonbengtsson9241
      @simonbengtsson9241 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      What fantasy fleet?

    • @WraithMagus
      @WraithMagus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@simonbengtsson9241 I'm guessing the Dystopian Wars miniatures game which Drach shows off on "Fun Fridays", which is steampunk in nature.

  • @samwill7259
    @samwill7259 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Always a reminder of the power of our planet's oceans that we can put millions into a ship and then the water can be like "Woops, here's a big rock, better abandon ship, lol."

    • @theokamis5865
      @theokamis5865 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Operation Cerberus: the alliance between water and the Chloe Blowy McFloaty mines...
      ...God, I need to listen to those beautiful maidens once more...!

  • @thespiritphoenix3798
    @thespiritphoenix3798 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This ship is literally my pet obsession Thanks for making this Video Drach!!

  • @halostopmotion8776
    @halostopmotion8776 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Drac, maybe you should do a video on the general design of pre dreadnoughts and why they were designed with those features. Like why didn’t navies put more guns on then before dreadnought?

    • @genericpersonx333
      @genericpersonx333 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      He definitely has addressed that in part and some detail in several different videos, but a singular one that synthesizes the details would be nice for reference. Mind, the first hour would be him just stipulating what he thinks a predreadnaught is because that is more debatable than one might think, then another hour cursing us for making him remember the French were involved in the process so he can't forget that miserable history. Still, I second your motion for a History of the Development of the Predreadnaught Battleship.

    • @aaronstorey9712
      @aaronstorey9712 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@genericpersonx333 an hour of cursing the french? Sounds like a tuesday

    • @blabbitch
      @blabbitch 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@genericpersonx333 The French battleship history is impressive and important, anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot.

  • @agesflow6815
    @agesflow6815 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you, Drachinifel.

  • @tonyshield5368
    @tonyshield5368 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    These vessels are never remain as dry as the humour. But can we have a video about torpedo boats and their torpedoes - all the larger ship designs take them so seriously so they must have been of some use.

  • @louisinjoliet8546
    @louisinjoliet8546 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The first photo looked like the ship had a VW Beetle on deck. Oh, that's the barbette.

  • @nathanzylla4961
    @nathanzylla4961 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    I almost read it as hms gargaunts...I'm like that doesn't look orky enough...I need coffee

    • @warhawk4494
      @warhawk4494 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      To truly be Orky it's needs way more Dakka and be painted red and the guns yellow.

    • @yankeesandy2545
      @yankeesandy2545 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah same I was so tired

  • @robertstone9988
    @robertstone9988 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I think that fishing boat hit us with a torpedo

    • @johnladuke6475
      @johnladuke6475 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      We better fire 300 warning shots.

  • @jamesbrown4092
    @jamesbrown4092 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It seems sad that I have canned goods in my pantry that lasted longer than that ship.

  • @RadioactiveSherbet
    @RadioactiveSherbet 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    A slightly embarrassing ship meets a slightly more embarrassing demise.

  • @jasonz7788
    @jasonz7788 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome work Sir thank you

  • @adrianrutterford762
    @adrianrutterford762 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Good afternoon everybody

    • @camberweller
      @camberweller 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Good morning.

    • @1badplayer
      @1badplayer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Good afternoon to you too.

  • @jimduncan2164
    @jimduncan2164 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The period 1880 to 1905 is a fascinating one for ship design. Thanks for this interesting video. Fred T. Jane wrote about the sinking of Gangut in 1899:
    "In 1897 she had been out for target practice, when she suddenly began to sink. Much mystery surrounds her loss, and surmises as to the reason have run the gamut from a Nihilist outrage to faulty construction. Either is possible. The more generally accepted tale is that she was badly put together, and that the strain of firing opened her seams. The official version is that she struck a rock. This version is quite discredited outside of Russia, but it is at least as probable as either of the others.
    The only details that I have so far been able to procure of the occurrence are that the ship was leaking for some hours before she went down, that the water gradually gained, and she had to be abandoned. This was accomplished without loss of life or undue haste; and one of the officers took a snap shot photo of her as she made the last plunge. She listed slightly to starboard, with her bow depressed, and went down slowly and gently in that position.
    From time to time since, hopes of raising the vessel have been entertained; and at the moment of writing, a Swedish firm have a contract to attempt it. The ship must, however, be pretty soaked by now; and judging by the British experience in raising the Sultan, the operation will not be worth the cost......And the Gangoot, at the best of times, was a very inferior fighting unit."

  • @CAP198462
    @CAP198462 2 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    How many binoculars launchers did the ship have?

  • @zhouenlai2569
    @zhouenlai2569 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Funny looking ship; I like the look of this type of ships (HMS Victoria, Nikolai II) and would love a 1/350 model of this.

    • @mrOL100
      @mrOL100 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      better 1:250.

  • @graveyard1979
    @graveyard1979 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    How a bad build quality can doom an otherwise OK design. Otherwise she'd be obsolete in no time like HMS Conqueror, but only because of how fast things were changing.
    Then someone decided it's a good idea to slap Imperator Aleksandr II gun on a ship to small for this and then her hull literally started going apart from the impact from the rock.

  • @pascalscholten4001
    @pascalscholten4001 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Drachinifel can you tell the story of the baltic fleet during barbarossa. I know that germany was searching for the fleet in Riga. Gangut, the red oktober and other ships where attacked there . At the Narva region there was also in 1944 a amphibious landing. Maybe you can tell more about it

    • @jarmokankaanpaa6528
      @jarmokankaanpaa6528 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      There were two Russian Gangut-class Dreadnought battleships in the Baltic at the beginning of Barbarossa: Oktyabrskaya Revolutsiya ("October Revolution", former Gangut (1911)) and Marat (former Petropavlovsk). Gangut was in Tallinn and withdrew to Kronstadt (an island fortress outside Leningrad) when the Germans advanced into Estonia; Marat was already in Kronstadt. Both were damaged in Kronstadt by German Stukas, with Marat actually sunk though later refloated. There was no actual amphibious landing at Narva in 1944. The Red Army attacked German forces over the Narva River and finally took the city of Narva, but there was no attack by sea.

  • @gigaflynn_
    @gigaflynn_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hello Drachinifel
    First off, thank you for the wonderful channel and many, many hours of quality educational content.
    I would like to ask a question about drum signals on board age of sail ships, specifically in the Royal Navy, but more generally as well, for other periods and other navies.
    Many of us know about "beating to quarters" where a drummer onboard a RN vessel would summon the crew to action stations (insert clip from Master and Commander here!), but I doubt they kept a drummer onboard just for this single signal.
    Were there other signals given by drum, if so, do you know what they were and could you discuss them, any other uses other than signalling for drummers aboard ships, when did this practice begin and end, and did any other navies of the period use drum signals aboard ships?
    Many thanks! 😄

  • @jmantime
    @jmantime 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i think she should be raised and restored as a museum ship. russia only has two 19th century warships , the cruiser Aurora and the monitor Strelets ( 1865 ). Gangut would a good addition to the surviving pre-dreadnought battleship list , only lonely IJN Mikasa remains.

    • @thespiritphoenix3798
      @thespiritphoenix3798 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Would cost an awful lot and be very logistically difficult.
      There is also the factor that the high salt amount of the Baltic sea would have corroded it substantially.
      Hopefully however that still happens!

    • @FredBGC
      @FredBGC 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@thespiritphoenix3798 The Baltic in general and the Gulf of Finland where she rests in particular are not very salty at all, so she is likely still in a rather good condition, given the circumstances. It would still be extremely costly to raise her though.

    • @ToomasKiisk
      @ToomasKiisk 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not sure Strelets or what's left of her should count... if she's even still around.

    • @jmantime
      @jmantime 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ToomasKiisk she was rediscovered in a ship storage yard in 2015, so she still might exist in 2022.

    • @SteamCrane
      @SteamCrane 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Where she sits, she is still in existence, unlike most of her sister ships, and is at a depth to dive. Leave her there for future explorers.

  • @danielmaguire3010
    @danielmaguire3010 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    awesome cheers Drac

  • @kevindavis5966
    @kevindavis5966 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The Russian Navy: "Sinking our OWN ships since 1897!"

  • @Niels_Larsen
    @Niels_Larsen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Gangut, Russia's answer to Titanic, except less dramatic.

  • @lafeelabriel
    @lafeelabriel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    About the only thing that can be said in her defense is that, at least, she didn't take a single sailor down with her when she sank.

  • @ricardokowalski1579
    @ricardokowalski1579 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Morning coffee and battleship

  • @mrains100
    @mrains100 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you.

  • @roycarter6235
    @roycarter6235 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    "That's the ship not the Tsar" love it

  • @cdfe3388
    @cdfe3388 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The ship is almost 10% overweight!
    The Critical Drinker says: “Nah, it’ll be fine!”

  • @toddwebb7521
    @toddwebb7521 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Do you see torpedoboats?

    • @DavidBrown-yd9le
      @DavidBrown-yd9le 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Torpedo boats???!!?? Torpedo boats where??

    • @RadioactiveSherbet
      @RadioactiveSherbet 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      "No. No one saw torpedo boats. Please be quiet."

    • @Colt45hatchback
      @Colt45hatchback 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Imagine if someone had put to the media that the japanese had randomly distributed coal torpedos throughout the russians coal stocks... Could have saved alot of time, they wouldnt have put a shovel load in 😂 victory by the enemy failing to show up at all 🤣

    • @RadioactiveSherbet
      @RadioactiveSherbet 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Colt45hatchback That's an evil idea. I like it!

  • @brentpearson2177
    @brentpearson2177 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Are the Japanese placing torpedo firing rocks using fishing boats now?

    • @chriscase1392
      @chriscase1392 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Apparently they are. Prepare to abandon ship.

  • @leilielel102
    @leilielel102 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video
    Will you talk about SMS Prinz Adalbert?

  • @BerlinCardYard
    @BerlinCardYard 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks a lot it is great building the RUSALKA and being fascinated by listening to your information - as you do ASK for wishes:
    What about a series covering the Monitors being build all around the world between the 60-90th? Brazil, Sweden, Russia (four classes of min 2ships plus the single SMERCH), Germany MOSEL, SIEGFRIED class, Frech HOCHE, Dutch' SKORPIEN (still afloat!), RN, Spain, USA turret design, CSA cassematt design, Chile, China with covering their design abilities, good features and weaknesses - as RUSALKA sunk due to her low freeboard? Hth, Chris

  • @pavelslama5543
    @pavelslama5543 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Russian sailors: Sir, our ship have hit an uncharted underwater rock and got sunk by the flooding.
    Russian admiralty: Oh thank god... eh, I mean, thats terrible!!

  • @kevinsullivan3448
    @kevinsullivan3448 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good news, we found an uncharted rock so it's charted now.
    Bad news, we just lost our brand new ship.

  • @tombogan03884
    @tombogan03884 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another cool video.

  • @Badger13x
    @Badger13x 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Did it stay afloat longer than the Orsk ?

    • @BountyFlamor
      @BountyFlamor 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Wasn't the Orsk launched in 1967 or so? In that case: no.

  • @malcolmtaylor518
    @malcolmtaylor518 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The uncertainties and fast technical developments of the time, led to navies building fleets of samples, in the Royal Navy as well as the Imperial Russian Navy.

  • @Aelxi
    @Aelxi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Guys, did Drac already covered about **why** "All guns forward" ships, like Dunkerque, Nelson etc.?

    • @bagustesa
      @bagustesa 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      afaik, dunkerque, nelson, richlieu, and gascogne already covered.

    • @Aelxi
      @Aelxi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@bagustesa sorry I wasn't added the "why". Also it's Richelieu.

    • @R1J3H
      @R1J3H 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Aelxi If you mean why they designed them the way they did, in brief and hugely simplified, to meet weight restrictions having all guns forward reduced the citadel length of the ship so in theory youd get the same capabilities of putting 3x triple 16" all forward with less weight than have the traditional layout of 2 forward one aft

    • @Aelxi
      @Aelxi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@R1J3H true but I was asking if there is already a Drydock episode of that in length.

    • @klegdixal3529
      @klegdixal3529 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Aelxi possibly because the entire script for the episode would be: you can build a lighter and cheaper ship with the same firepower and protection level.

  • @ToomasKiisk
    @ToomasKiisk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It looks so cute! 🤗

  • @jeromethiel4323
    @jeromethiel4323 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This happens a lot when people fail to listen to the engineers.

    • @roybaker6902
      @roybaker6902 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or the engineers are Russian.

    • @borfer9366
      @borfer9366 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@roybaker6902 the usual Western hatred of Russians in your comment.

  • @janwitts2688
    @janwitts2688 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What a lovely wreck... not a grave so would be nice for future generations ... Unfortunately not this one.

  • @Angrymuscles
    @Angrymuscles 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Will ships named Gangut ever catch a break?

  • @stevepuls8532
    @stevepuls8532 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I am going to assume, yes I said assume, that HIRMS stands for"His Imperial Royal Majesty's Ship". Would that be a correct assumtion?
    Love the channel, keep up the great work!!!

    • @katrinapaton5283
      @katrinapaton5283 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I believe it stands for His Imperial Russian Majesty's Ship.

    • @genericpersonx333
      @genericpersonx333 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      To be technical, the Russian Empire did not use Ship Prefixes for its warships, but it has been a convention among Anglophone scholars and others to use the term His Imperial Russian Majesty's Ship to distinguish Russian Imperial vessels from the Royal Navy and others. Most ship prefixes are indeed constructs of British origins to help cut down the confusion as it is not always obvious what ship belongs to what nation based on the names alone. For example, there was an HMS Diana, an HIRMS Diana, and a USS Diana, in addition to numerous civilian vessels so named.

    • @stevepuls8532
      @stevepuls8532 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you everyone for the info, I like to keep things accurate.

    • @blabbitch
      @blabbitch 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@stevepuls8532 It is inaccurate to apply the HIRMS prefix, since as stated it was never used by Russia. It is usually the tell-tale sign of an amateur British wannabe historian.

    • @blabbitch
      @blabbitch 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@genericpersonx333 Scholars generally do not use fake prefixes. Most prefixes are indeed the imposing of British vanity, and are unnecessary. "Russia's Diana" is only three characters longer than the ridiculous and inaccurate "HIRMS Diana"

  • @comentedonakeyboard
    @comentedonakeyboard 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This ship was not renamed Octjobryshnajia Revolushnia (or however that's misspelled).

    • @stefanussandi2879
      @stefanussandi2879 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You mean Oktyabrskaya Revolyutsiya? That's the 4th generation ship of Gangut

    • @comentedonakeyboard
      @comentedonakeyboard 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@stefanussandi2879 exactly that one! Thanks for the clarification.

  • @janwitts2688
    @janwitts2688 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Aww it's so cute... a bit like hotspur

  • @beishui4480
    @beishui4480 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Why does gangut look so much like the qing coastal defense ship pingyuan

    • @weldonwin
      @weldonwin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Presumably they were built around the same time and drew very similar design inspiration

    • @beishui4480
      @beishui4480 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@weldonwin but the pingyuan was french based i believe.

    • @weldonwin
      @weldonwin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@beishui4480 Which certainly tracks, since Russian warship design of the period was heavily influenced by French design, particularly in the use of Tumblehome designs

    • @iansadler4309
      @iansadler4309 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@weldonwin They both liked "fierce face" designs.

  • @ScreamingSturmovik
    @ScreamingSturmovik 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    then years later another boat hit a uncharted wreck and proceeded to sink slowly crating another uncharted wreck and so on and so on

  • @bullettube9863
    @bullettube9863 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    A good example of a ship being built by a country that lacked the infrastructure necessary to build better ships. America also built the inadequate Maine and Texas for the same reasons but were soon able to expand their industrial infrastructure and were helped by the fact that they had all the resources needed such as high quality coal, iron, and nickle within their borders.

  • @thegeneralissimo470
    @thegeneralissimo470 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    2:58.
    Nice.
    That is all.

  • @bskorupk
    @bskorupk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I'm thinking back to the times when I've been sunk in WoWs by Users "A_Rock" and "A_Somalian_Pirate_Dingy" :)

    • @theokamis5865
      @theokamis5865 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      If you get sunk by "A_Binoculars", take that a sign to retire.

  • @NotoriusMaximus
    @NotoriusMaximus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Russian naval construction capabilities haven`t evolved in 100 years, which is a blessing for everyone involved.

    • @thomaskositzki9424
      @thomaskositzki9424 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Everyone? Russian sailors, especially Submariners would like to have a word with you. ;)

    • @NotoriusMaximus
      @NotoriusMaximus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@thomaskositzki9424 they sunk

  • @lafeelabriel
    @lafeelabriel 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Also, it must be said, here's a classic case of a ship that was obsolete even at inception, and it only got worse during it's short carreer.

  • @inssjoseph1910
    @inssjoseph1910 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why does the name remind of the ironguts from warhammer 3

  • @donjones4719
    @donjones4719 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    All of those boats - was Gangut planned to be used for amphibious landings? The old fashioned kind that involved regular ship's boats landing near a harbor. Is this why she carried four 63mm "landing guns"?

    • @genericpersonx333
      @genericpersonx333 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes; it was custom and indeed still done that sailors on warships contributed military manpower to various operations in the late 19th-century, but generally in limited ways. You didn't really expect sailors to capture enemy ports and harbors, but you could have units of sailors adding their weight to such an operation. More likely, sailors would find themselves being seconded to the garrison of a Russian-held port or to protect Russian interests in foreign lands where the Russian Navy was the closet military asset available. Such was the case for most great power navies of the era. Indeed, many of the Europeans and Japanese who served in the Boxer Rebellion operation were sailors given rifles, machineguns, and small artillery such as 63mm landing guns because they were closer than complete army formations.

    • @donjones4719
      @donjones4719 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ah, I didn't mean to imply it would be an expedition of sailors. For such an operation Marines would be embarked and the sailors would man the boats - most of which had only sail and oars for power. Any engine wouldn't be used anyway. So, plenty of sailors to row and to augment the Marines.
      Yes, sailors were a mobile resource - if a ship was sent to a hotspot it brought not just its installed armament but a large number of men. And back then any sizable ship carried a small contingent of Marines who would form the core of a land force. Well, some navies did.

    • @genericpersonx333
      @genericpersonx333 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@donjones4719 I see. To better answer your question, Russian warships would indeed be expected to carry troops for amphibious operations. Indeed, Russia has a rather long and colorful history of it. They would also contribute sailors and the landing guns if it was deemed useful. The mission was incidental to the ship design though, so the existence of the guns and the many boats were not specifically put there just for the purpose.
      The numerous boats were more because as a Baltic-service vessel with a large number of conscript sailors who probably didn't know how to swim (for what little good being able to swim in icy waters would be), the Czar's navy was making an honest effort to give said sailors the best chance of survival when things went wrong as they often did thanks to the storms, rocks, and the usually competent opponents encountered in the Baltic.

  • @graybeardproductions2597
    @graybeardproductions2597 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    building things to shit standards seems to be a key feature to Russian planning

  • @borfer9366
    @borfer9366 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The place where the Gangut is flooded is known. It's not deep there. It would be quite realistic to raise the ship. So many historical artifacts!

  • @mikepette4422
    @mikepette4422 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    There they go over loading these things with Guns again. Wow a single 12 " gun * whistles* Yikes ! 🙄
    I can't help thinking she would be just annihilated in a battle with the most modern ships of that era.

  • @nk_3332
    @nk_3332 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Are we really sure it wasn't a Japanese torpedo boat? One of the underwater kind like Captain Nemo's?

  • @jeromebirth2693
    @jeromebirth2693 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    A case study of industrial advances overtaking shipbuilding

  • @antonfarquar8799
    @antonfarquar8799 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    built battleship sank same - maybe they can refloat it and send it to the Crimea as a stationary battery.

  • @briananthony4044
    @briananthony4044 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Should have gone with the 9 inch bow gun, hindsight is wonderful isn't it.

  • @inyobill
    @inyobill 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very interesting design. 01:47: what ship is this? I assume nit the Gangut, because this vessel is flying the Union Jack. I wait in anticipation for resolution of this learning opportunity.

    • @WalterReimer
      @WalterReimer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Looks like the Russian naval ensign, which is the blue St. Andrew's cross on a white background.

    • @WalterReimer
      @WalterReimer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Ah, I see where you might be confused. The Imperial Russian naval jack did look vaguely like the Union flag. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/Naval_Jack_of_Russia.svg/2560px-Naval_Jack_of_Russia.svg.png

    • @calvingreene90
      @calvingreene90 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That wasn't the Union Jack but between black and white photos and similarities in the flags patterns it is an easy mistake. Drack explained the mistake previously. I think it was in a Dry Dock.

    • @rackstraw
      @rackstraw 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Be advised that the Imperial Russian Navy Jack bears a close resemblance to the UK Union Jack (especially in black & white photos), but the colors are different (red field, blue St. Andrew's cross). The ship is flying the Russian Naval Ensign (Blue St. Andrew's cross on a white field) at the stern.

    • @inyobill
      @inyobill 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@WalterReimer Ahhhh, thanks for that prompt reply. I figgered someone had a knowledgeable take on that.

  • @notshapedforsportivetricks2912
    @notshapedforsportivetricks2912 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Why do failed designs of this period always look so cute?

  • @Eulemunin
    @Eulemunin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    600 tons of over weight? Pull the torpedoes! Might lean something early on.

    • @satannstuff
      @satannstuff 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That wouldn't get you anywhere close to 600 tons.

    • @roybaker6902
      @roybaker6902 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Put the captain's wife ashore.

    • @chriscase1392
      @chriscase1392 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Don't forget the rocks. Not to change the subject but "Uncharted Rocks" would make a great name for a Death Metal band. IMO.

  • @panderson9924
    @panderson9924 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Were there any battleships in the Russian imperial navy that weren't overweight?

  • @dariuszrutkowski420
    @dariuszrutkowski420 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So this is basicly the Russian Vasa. I wonder why they named a Dreadnought after this collosal blunder? You'd think the name would be tainted like HMS Captain?

    • @richieincident3613
      @richieincident3613 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The ship was named after the victory at Cape Gangute in 1714.

    • @gargravarr2
      @gargravarr2 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@richieincident3613 A location also known as Hangöudd, Hankoniemi, or the Hanko Peninsula depending on language. In Finnish/Swedish historiography the more specific location Rilax/Riilahti is used for the name of the battle.

    • @chriscase1392
      @chriscase1392 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gargravarr2 Both of you have way too much time on your hands.

  • @nowthenzen
    @nowthenzen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Open Question: This ship had a double bottom. I also have a double bottom, so, does that mean I am a Battleship?

    • @chriscase1392
      @chriscase1392 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Umm, no. Battleships are no longer with us, but according to some folks you can identify as anything you like. Please consider drydock or maybe minesweeper. We need more of those.

    • @sadwingsraging3044
      @sadwingsraging3044 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Depends on how many inch gun you have...

  • @RexsHangar
    @RexsHangar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    A hilarious example of design-creep, and why its not a good idea to have obese ships

    • @warhawk4494
      @warhawk4494 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Good to see you here Rex. Love you channel.
      And to anyone else who reads this. Check out this guy's YT Channel he is the Drac of weird interwar aircraft mostly British. But I won't hold that against him he's a aussie.....a kiwi.....hmmmmmm. it's doesn't matter y'all drive on the wrong side of the road and pronounce aluminum wrong.

    • @JTA1961
      @JTA1961 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I sink slow...

    • @tholmes2169
      @tholmes2169 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@warhawk4494 maybe I missed something or I drank too much last night, but what is the channel called with the British airplanes

    • @warhawk4494
      @warhawk4494 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@tholmes2169 Rex's Hanger is the channel name and interesting aircraft is his game.

    • @tholmes2169
      @tholmes2169 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@warhawk4494 Thanks! British aircraft are some are my favorites. Especially interwar designs. Bristol Bulldog, Blackburn Ripon, Handley Page Hyderabad, etc…

  • @cp1cupcake
    @cp1cupcake 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    "600 tonnes does not sound like a lot" how to tell someone is a fan of ships.

  • @kayellee7202
    @kayellee7202 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So, the good news is HIRMS Gangut was spared the Voyage from Hell in the Russo-Japanese War.

  • @johnfisher9692
    @johnfisher9692 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    In some ways the ship looks 'French like" with that high freeboard which looks sorta like a hotel

  • @Hetschoter
    @Hetschoter 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So basically they build a warship, only to find out, it is obsolete, so they scuttled it. Interesting indeed.

  • @stevewixom9311
    @stevewixom9311 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Some ships are just better off not being built in the first place.

  • @crazywarriorscatfan9061
    @crazywarriorscatfan9061 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Interesting

  • @surferdess494
    @surferdess494 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    as the pacific theater's ship wrecks (mind those are mostly graves and protected sites) are being pilfered for the iron that was sunk b4 the atomic blasts...this is a candidate specially since is not a grave. that crime is going on as we speak.

    • @chriscase1392
      @chriscase1392 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The bronze propellers are usually the first to be pilfered.

  • @Tdelliex
    @Tdelliex 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    hi

  • @kevinbarry71
    @kevinbarry71 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Kept the Japanese from sinking her at least

  • @timonsolus
    @timonsolus 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gangut - otherwise known as Glugglug

  • @TK-ri7pl
    @TK-ri7pl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Rock 1, Gangut 0

  • @flakstruk-8481
    @flakstruk-8481 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I watched all 7 minutes in 60 seconds and commented

    • @Aelxi
      @Aelxi 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Impossible perhaps the archives are incomplete

    • @flakstruk-8481
      @flakstruk-8481 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Royal naval study did you read the comment or just rage reply?

    • @flakstruk-8481
      @flakstruk-8481 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Aelxi general kenobi

  • @bigsarge2085
    @bigsarge2085 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    👍

  • @claypidgeon4807
    @claypidgeon4807 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    3:23 Just so you know he’s not talking about the Tsar’s ass.

  • @Easy-Eight
    @Easy-Eight 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Poor Quality Control ... one of the side benefits of a nation wide habit of vodka.

  • @mattwoodard2535
    @mattwoodard2535 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Squat looking ship, isn't it. sm

  • @1badplayer
    @1badplayer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Glad to see you've not been caught up in Russia sanctions fever.
    Another excellent history lesson.
    Thanks.

  • @artcampbell5315
    @artcampbell5315 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Damn not first

  • @hanuman3527
    @hanuman3527 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Russians had the worst luck with ships and navies. Maybe time for a little healthy superstition? Good luck charms and blessings to you Drach.

  • @salty4496
    @salty4496 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    :)

  • @merlinwizard1000
    @merlinwizard1000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    108th