'This show about Children's Card Games where people ship two characters who constantly express strong dislike for each other, because of course it's merely concealing romantic passion!'
Don't forget that shipping is 100% necessary, all of the time, regardless of genre or having it add even anything to the plot. And it is also forbidden to have two characters of the opposite sex be 'just friends', no matter how much it takes away from the characters development by having them closer to their friends than love interest. If the pairing was originally supposed to be platonic, always remember to suddenly change it to romance at the very last minute with no foreshadowing whatsoever. Because we all know that it's impossible to have a conversation with without it ending in make out session.
Forget that, no characters of the *same* sex should be friends! Also, no relationship should be self-contained, everyone should be jealous of everyone else all the time!
In recent times, the "opposite sex" thing has become irrelevant, trust me. Nobody can have normal friends of any kind. If the character are even just 1% close to someone, it HAS to be subtext romance and sexual desire, no matter about gender, sexuality, age, character background, NOTHING. And of course, with the most recent patch of insanity that is spreading like a disease (at least in the fandoms I'm in, sadly), if more than 2 people are anywhere near close, then it MUST BE REPRESENTATION FOR POLYROMANTIC RELATIONSHIPS. I've seen people unironically claiming this for the main group of friends in the new animation film "Red". It shows obvious "polyromantic platonic relationship" subtext, come on! It's not like friendships exist for real anyway, right? Or is it just me who has never had any??? Impossible, the reality is that EVERYTHING IS ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS SUBTEXT 🤪 And even if one of the characters already has a significant other, there's no trouble, they'll all be able to arrange a big, loving org* anyway! Sex must be the only way of interaction between humans, am I right? I wouldn't know, I haven't interacted with other real humans in so long...
@@gauntlettcf5669 What no way! are you telling me the random horny guy on twitter might have terrible social skills and might be projecting their kinks? Thats impossible
I agree...fandoms look way into deep friendships and put ships where there is like very little to know room for it. *cough cough* Ace attorney *cough cough*
@@megarotom1590 Like that franchise has barely any romance besides like maybe Gumshoe and Maggey, a few examples basically for a 'main character. Although I find all the Wrightworth art to be humorous.
This unleashed deep forgotten memories of my youth, when I watched an Inuyasha episode and someone comented something among the lines of: "Oh! Look at the way Sesshomaru looks at Kagome... He clearly respects and loves her more than anything in the world~!💕" ... For those who don't know, Sesshomaru is kinda of a side-quest antagonist for the male MC and he and Kagome (the main girl character) barely even talk at eachother for the entirety of the anime. Oh, and the frame this person was pointing out was one when Sesshomaru wasn't even looking at her; he was looking (and _talking_) to another person right behind Kagome's back.
Also the sub-side of shipping, The Best Girl Wars. There's usually a big one every year. Do the fans care about the dude they're shipping her with? HELL NO he could be switched out with a houseplant. What matters is their best girl win this wooden board of a man.
Or in other words literally the basis of like 90% of harem anime/manga/LNs/VNs. Like quite literally to the point of many VNs literally having nameless/faceless protagonists who barely even speak.
The multi writer cross purpose thing was parts of steven universe, one of the writers very clearly liked the idea of peridot and lapis being together, but everyone else basically ignored it so it was really weird how some episodes have them acting like they were already married while others they are just roommates.
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree here. Aside from the "getting over hatred of each other" segment of the storyline, I never really think the show leaned towards a romantic subtext - I always took it as a close platonic one (The scene of them just goofing around with instruments in the barn is my favorite example of this).
9:07 "Besides, fanfic writers are excused from creatively pushing their boundaries and should be free to wallow in their indulgence." This advice is supposed to be terrible, but I kind of agree. I mean, if nobody's paying you to write the story, you've got to make it worth your while somehow. Be as indulgent as you want! If you want it to be "good", well, that's different.
Just remember that reylos actually got mad when Finn and Rey's actors sat together at the Oscars because enemies to lovers fans are an actual cancer on this earth
*only in certain situations and certain fandoms. for example, say a villain actually has a redemption arc and ends up compatriots with the protagonists. there's a basis for an actually decent enemies to lovers story there. if there's complex feelings between the two parties, where neither really want to hurt the others, there's a variety of ways for it to be interpreted, including enemies to lovers. that's just two examples of it being done possibly well.
@@deathsecretary2055 A person started posting shipping art to the subreddit where a character from my OTC was shipped with a character I didn't like. As a joke, I made inflamatory comments below those posts defending my OTC. These started gaining steam, so people posted artwork of the character I liked shipped with increasingly unlikely characters. I was ready to call it off, but the sub was notorious for having a few loony fans of the ship I liked (it's an anime sub, you know what those are like). So of course, they got angry, which meant that people started doubling down and posting other controversial ships and general trolling. It lasted a few days before people stopped and I made peace with the guy I originally had the feud with. My friend really likes the other member of my OTC, but hates all non-canon ships, so needless to say, he was not very happy with me.
@@deathsecretary2055 Eh, no one really talks about it, so I can't tell, but it wasn't really acidic or hateful like other wars. Most of it was ironic and it was just taken seriously by a few people.
Don't forget the gigabrain move of "Pair the Spares", where two characters only end up together because all of the other potential pairings are already taken. Do the two spares have any sort of compatibility and chemistry that would naturally lead to them being a couple? Well, no, but that won't stop the fans from making essay-long diatribes filled with their headcanons on the pairing that the writer TOTALLY thought about when making the canon story. Have the two spares ever had any meaningful interactions, or even said more than 5 lines to each other? Of course not, but that won't stop the fans from gushing over them and making 20 minute long videos going over their so-called "romantic life", when all of their interactions can be summarized as "they breathed the same air". (Looking at you Inosuke x Aoi shippers)
I thought it was "Pair the Spares" because they have characters leftover that are unattached. RomComs do this a lot by literally inventing a whole new character in the finale/epilogue to ship the rejected suitor with.
@@moonfusion9964 That's what I said. "only end up together because all of the other potential pairings are already taken" = "characters leftover that are unattached". It's just worded differently, with @BonaparteBardithion going over the history of the trope, whereas I go over the flaws of the trope.
Shipping and fan creations can be fun! You know. As long as you aren’t a jerk to others and you leave the creators alone. Those are the MOST important two rules that should be followed. Just don’t harass anyone and stay out of conflict. Block liberally and have your fun. It’s supposed to be a little hobby where you can make some friends and bond over similar interests, not a war zone which makes everyone miserable.
Imagine for a moment a fantasy story, good old sword and sorcery, humans vs demon a conflict as old as time. Except the demons are led by a Demon Queen who wages war on humanity just so that she can instigate the rise of heroes so that she can play matchmaker for those heroes. Who utilizes her minions to create elaborate plot lines to guide particular heroes and love interests together, even if the Demon Queen must occasionally cut out the love triangles by capturing the "extra" and turning them into demons or sealing them away somewhere for use later with some other hero. In the end the heroes think they win, but their True Love ending was Just As Planned by the Demon Queen who will menace the world again probably within a few decades so she can craft another ship.
@@TheRealFrozenFire Your friends died, your comrades died, your cities burn, your religion infested and warped by cultists, greedy nobles launched a civil war that nearly tore your homeland apart... all so that a farm boy from who knows where could get laid and marry the princess because the Demon Queen, the mastermind of all of this, thought they looked cute together.
My issue with "shippers" is that any discussion of what characters make sense together ends up being branded as shipping. I like to discuss fiction. I like to discuss the writing of that fiction. If a character dies an emotionally satisfying death, then just out of nowhere comes back to life, that is unsatisfying writing. I will comment on that writing as such. This goes for any aspect of a story being told. If there's an instance of just outright bad writing in the story, I feel it should be commented on. So, when I comment that two characters don't make sense together, I'm not some weird shipper who just likes to see oddball relationships for no good reason. I'm just commenting on an aspect of a story that I feel was written poorly. Like Aang and Katara. They had no chemistry. Aang's feellings for Katara were written like a schoolyard crush. And, Katara never really seemed to care much about him. It didn't make sense from either direction. Hell, you can even see in Legend of Korra: their relationship sucked. Katara deserved better. Toph also deserved better. I felt like Toph and Aang had nicely complimentary personalities. But, there was also not much between them, so I can't really comment much on that either. Point being, I hate that the internet environment is such that I can't have a rational discussion on the positive and negative points about a specific part of a story without being branded as some kind of psycho with a fancy title. It's really damn annoying. Edit: Similarly, I also enjoy predicting future plot points in ongoing stories. And, I would like to be able to predict plot points that happen to be about two characters being romantically involved with each other without it being about "shipping". God damn it! I just like making predictions! I don't just think Yang and Blake are cute together. I felt like there were hints at a relationship and how that relationship would affect the plot. I'm not shipping them. I just like calling out foreshadowing!
For all your talk about wanting to discuss storytelling you don't seem to be doing a good job at it. You criticize the writing in ATLA about Aang and Katara's relationship and all you have to say is "They had no chemistry, Aang acted like a kid and Katara didn't seem to care much about him". It's safe to say all of that is wrong to the point I wonder if you even watched the show or if you are remembering things correctly because from what I remember Aang is a literal child in the beginning and his whole arc is learning to grow up and deal with his emotions in a mature way. That also includes his feelings for Katara. For fucks sake he gives up learning to control the Avatar state to save her life and you claim he has a "schoolyard crush", fuckin absurd. They have a fantastic friendship that's excelently developed throughout the series and Katara's feelings grow increacingly romantic towards the end, her reluctance to accept them isn't because she doesn't like him but because of her own trauma with her father and Aang's near death expirience. I really don't know how you can say that they have no chemistry when their relationship is the most prominent one and has the most veriety in interactions among every other in the show, romantic or not. I don't really need to be saying this, anyone who's seen the show can tell you that instead of repeating someone else's shitty opinion and simply picking them as your example because people know them to prop up your own argument.
@@domagojzrilic3767 First of all, I didn't discuss it much because it wasn't the focal point of the comment. It would have made an already long comment even longer and more cluttered. But, I will agree that they had a beautiful friendship. I just don't think that friendship had to end in a lasting romance. Having a crush at one point in the story is fine and adds to the story. But, how often do people end up with the person they had a crush on when they are 10? If the story is indeed about Aang maturing, then it would make more sense for him to mature past his childhood crush.
Eh, I'd say it depends on the context of the crush Joseph. If it was simply about her looks or just because she was nice, then yeah it would make more sense for him to move on. I definitely get why you don't like the ship; all I'm saying is I've seen it done worse.
JB, what are you saying!? People online are great at writing relationships!! They obviously have tons of experience in relationships and knowing exactly how they work!!
5:54 that's it. My favorite JP moment, from now until eternity! XD JP, your voice work was PHENOMENAL this episode, not to mention the writing, and the climax of the advertising wars!? This couldn't get any better!
MANY roasted Onisions Books and Empress Theresa too, who i see as Siblings cause one is a famously unhealthy Atheist and one is a famously unhealthy Theist; effectively making them Odd Anti-Thesis to each other; but Krimson Rogue and Jabroni are still my Favorite Coverage of 'em! Tbh, I would love TH-camr Terrible Writing Advice to take a Look. I love his Humor for these Things.
JP: "Shipping is serious business, so I'm going to Ship all writers with this handy video on how to steer their Ship properly!" Me: "...You joke, but honestly, JP? Shipping wars have started over far *far* *FAAAAARRRRRR* less than that. This is practically a Canon Pairing by comparison" XD
In-universe JP's Greed is pretty scary. He actually does understand how each of the characters was created, their strengths, their weakness, their motives. He's the ultimate monster.
Wow, what a twist. I don't usually cry during a season finale, but that long drawn out NOOOO really hit hard. P.S. I ship The dark lord and the vanilla love interest. They have so much in common.
When it’s been 14 years since your kid’s show ended but the vitriol about whether an Inuit ended up with a Geisha Ninja Samurai or a Blind one-dimensional ball of anger is so fresh, that team Anger-Ball is still desperate for a win in an inferior sequel: *Kek*
I think I shipped maybe, 2 or 3 pairs of characters in my life? Didn't go so far as to write blogs about it or argue with others about other ships or anything, just kinda find it fun getting a little excited to see chemistry between characters you like. It tickles the imagination and gives you something to be happy thinking about, which I think is nice.
Did you end a series with a good relationship between two characters? Be sure to break that up between two series! Especially if that relationship survived two entire 3-season series. Then, take the non-protagonist one out of the bunch to be removed from the plot just to break the characters up, and put in some stupid reasoning like a dumb misunderstanding that should never have happened! Wait, we have a void now. How about we take a character from the first series that existed for an episode and a cameo and bring her back instead! I'm totally sure that will be a healthy relationship. Especially if she's there for the protagonist's hero side and not the person himself... and be sure to only give the two about 5 episodes total of screentime together! While also shoving the other interests in that series under the rug. what series am i talking about? besides what you've already seen, it has 4 main series in one continuous line, with the fourth one being way longer than each of the others. if i say any more that would give it away.
Shipping can be a fun excercise for Fans to enjoy and can honestly enrich a Story. But than there are those who attack the shows creators or harass other Fans because generic male 1 couldnt get to bang the canonical lesbian
Your thumbnail shows PBxChocolate fighting with PBxJelly. Meanwhile, the true pairing ends up being PBxBanana out of nowhere in the final three episodes, and I'm over here rooting for the Crack pairing of PBxPickles. Man, PB gets shipped with EVERYTHING.
Not to mention the PBxVanilla Wafers who sometimes try to get involved in the big ship war, but aren’t big enough to be taken seriously. And of course, everyone in the ship wars, no matter whether they’re pairing PB with Jelly, Chocolate, Banana, Vanilla Wafers, or even Pickles, will unite against the deepest, darkest shipping corner of PBxBleach.
Saddest part is major industry writing jobs seem to have been given to shipping fan-fic writers lately, people who can comprehend a human relation ship that isn't hatred and/or lust.
Remember that scene in Star Wars Episode 9 that made no sense and was just put in to make the Reylo Shippers happy but then even failed at that because Kylo just died 2 seconds later anyway
@@ciphergacha9100 an ATLA fan comic called “How I became yours” where Katara is pregnant with Zuko’s child and Mai sends her a poison apple which causes Katara to have a miscarriage.
This had to be done. Oh, and BTW, some pairing were entirely obvious since the beginning, but the funny part is how people STILL were surprised/enraged/whatever when it did happen that way
So I am a writer in of myself, to be honest I’m not really good with writing romance in my stories, I mainly just focus on the adventure and the non-romantic relationships between characters, usually the characters in my story are already married so I would just focus on everything else.
Out of all of the fandoms that are notorious for shipping, nobody has brought up Zootopia fandom. So I decided to bring it up. There are many Wildehopps shippers who are very toxic people. I personally have nothing against Wildehopps, I just don't ship it.
It's really surprising because that's like tho only ship people think about. There's so many other characters and people don't randomly ship them like that always do? Very suspicious.
Throughout this whole video, I couldn’t stop thinking of RWBY. That fandom is absolute shipping war chaos. It’s hard to tell people that I enjoy the show when I don’t want to associate with the crazy fandom, the countless shipping wars they cause, and the influence the shipping wars seemingly have on the show itself. I’m surprised there aren’t more people talking about RWBY here
Obviously the correct thing to do is write a meta psychological horror story about it where suddenly a bunch of characters start flinging themselves at each other like floppy ragdolls and it's an accurately-predicted result of the first readerbase's impulses, many more of which make the characters do other things until some smart reader inevitably becomes the antagonist and achieves total mind and body control. Then it's genocide, but they stop to realise this is probably that smart reader's evil plan and lock themselves all in safes so they can never be messed with again. Until the plot twist comes where the smart reader played Miegakure and intends to pull them kata out of the box with another dimension and someone only points it out at the last second so they make themselves all explode before they can do anything. Or whatever you want, as long as it's effective psychological horror and minimises toxic-fanbase rate.
This is why all of my characters are ace, [and also technically aliens], and why every single one is either already in a committed, stable relationship [or relationships] when the story begins, or aro as well.
@@adrienneczerni6516 Wow! Thank you, both for replying, and for being interested. That really means a lot to me! Unfortunately, I don't have any books ready to be published or anything like that, just lore and worldbuilding that I've been working on for years. I would like to turn my stories into a visual medium of some sort, maybe a webcomic, but I have no idea where I'd even start.
2:10 yeah ive noticed a lot of modern media in general just has writers kind of doing their own thing rather than collaborating, fighting over the property while its being written rather than... You know, having a discussion like adults? Like that scene from Rick and Morty where Rick says "oh duh, I had a screwdriver this whole time because im basically inspector gadget" Not only was it a retread of a joke that was one better before, but if that was the case then why didnt the writers just not write that situation to be a thing? I mean a writer NOTICED this inconsistency, why just write over it instead of writing something else in the first place? Also just the little things when I hear "oh I just did X Y Z on a whim, I just felt like doing it" and it just makes it in? No you have to discuss, think about these things. You cant just do them. Or like that scene in the new cuphead show where half the imps had eyelashes for like just the one scene, and no other scene. I know whoever did that shouldnt be storyboarding the show because thats dumb. 3:58 it was kind of hilarious when Steven Universe did it in a *literal* sense. And then annoying when they pointed it out in the last season. Funny how context changes things. 9:32 okay thats definitely a refence to SU. Take a look at their dancing. Heck the way they react to eachother. If fusion wasnt an allegory for sex, I dont know what the heck they where doing. And yes I know what that implies about our main character Steven and some of the fusions he's involved with. Just wait a few years, they might outright say that was intentional.
There are, in my plotline, two characters who I know for a fact will be shipped together REGARDLESS of the fact that they are *twin brothers.* It makes me cringe just knowing that it *will* happen and that I won't be able to do anything about it...
you should make a video about sympathetic villains that end up being so right about their ideals to the point they make the hero look like a total dumbass so the writer needs to have the villain commit over the top acts of villainy to remind the audience that he is the villain
Can you do one on subverting expectations. Too many medias are trying hard for twist endings without actually thinking about the implications of said twist. Ex: dragonquest your story subverts expectations by being in a video game the whole time but it really only harms the narrative and makes it another video game isaki plot. Or doom eternal makes davoth the dark lord as the creator last minute who was betrayed but it adds nothing narratively to the plot as doom slayer still kills him and hes still an evil villain who wants to suck everything into hell.
That part about shipping wars getting into the writing room itself? Yeah, I'm pretty sure that happened to Jaina Solo and her perpetual rotation of long-term relationships in the old Star Wars novels.
@@philipmonihan8222 Not that I know of, but I've read Rogue Squadron and part of Wedge's Gamble and he seems to have relations with almost every single female character in the books.
The part about shipping in “shows made for children” is literally Miraculous Ladybug in a nutshell. I find it incredible how both adults and children often come together on Reddit to defend their ships on 15 year old fictional characters, who have terribly written romantic interactions in the source material.
It's worst because everyone is fighting over four different ships that are actually one ship which was bad enough on its own until the writers introduce side pairings that made the whole thing messier than it already was. Good thing I grew up enough to stop caring
It's almost like plenty of other people have ideas on how a good ML story could actually go, put their ideas onto paper, and then put it on the internet for others to see. Crazy concept.
I feel like Miraculous is more an example of what happens when the money making corporate side and the creative sides of creating shows don’t agree. ML is super drawn out by now, the original idea that gathered the fan base in the first place is beaten into the ground with no shakeup of the status quo, but if you actually have a good, planned ending, the corporate side loses their cash cow. A shame really, the original concept is good, but the later stuff doesn’t really expand on the secret identity aspect that made the first two seasons alright. It’s just “no one can know!” and they leave it at that
Oh yeah, man that *would* be devastating. I'd want to grab the character by the lapels and (shaking vigorously) ask, with a mood between despair, confusion and rage: *"What the sam hill are we even ADVERTISING?! There isn't even the slightest bit of common narrative threads or obvious product placement!* XD
You’ll be happy to know that the My Hero Academia fandom followed all of your advice in this video! Allow me offer you my congratulations... and condolences.
Hoo boy, the Mazinger fandom is actually remarkably civil for a (barely technically) fifty year old fandom. Even better is that the oldest surviving Mazinger fans have become grandparents already.
To be honest, many of those people are young and probably don't know better, which I admit doesn't excuse them. Thankfully most grow up and see the error of their ways and change for the better.
Or Dan Avidan x Arin Hanson shippers. Especially when they explicitly stated that they are uncomfortable with it. Dan has a girlfriend and Arin has a wife for goodness sakes.
the only time its ok is if youre just supporting the real relationship that already exists. which really is only pseudo shipping but you get the point. you simply want to see a couple be happy.
Even if it’s with characters that are fictional, but used by someone to represent themselves, it crosses a line. Actors in a movie might not care that much about fanfiction of their characters, but a vtuber might not appreciate someone shipping their avatar without permission. But streamers and youtube personalities, with the huge overlap between their ‘on-air characters’ and real selves, definitely make for the grossest ship fiction.
@@dymaxion3988 i think that comes down to vtubers portraying their character they made, while actors are portraying someone else's character. but you know, we live in a world where people draw r34 of real people, some people have no limits.
When I was younger and taking part in shipping wars, I started going "fuck it" at one point and making my own characters to ship together and oh my goodness it was infinitely more fun That's how I got into writing. I'm not proud of it, but that's my story
“A romantic relationship in a SHOW MADE FOR CHILDREN. Th stakes couldn’t be higher!” “Remove it with all the Grace and subtly usually reserved for the Nevada Test Site” “The best way to sink ships is with unrestricted submarine warfare” This video is gold.
*Peanut Butter and Jelly:* The pairing that the story constantly builds up and hints at, perhaps even the canon pairing. Kind of basic, but still cute and sweet enough to have a decently popular fan following. (Ex: Aang x Katara) *Peanut Butter and Chocolate:* A pairing that is based on two character's interactions with each other and their dynamic. Has an 85% chance of not being a canon pairing, mostly exists within fan circles and fanfiction. (Ex: Katara x Zuko) *Peanut Butter and Vanilla Wafers:* Can be a fandom-based pairing of characters based on elements such as design appeal, similar powers, ect. that is ultimately shallow and not very interesting. Or a canon pairing that the creators add in when the characters have no apparent chemistry to be found aka "Pair the spares." (Ex: Jack Harkness x Donna Noble) *Peanut Butter and Bleach:* Canon pairing that either does not make sense in canon, or the pairing in question is being written as a toxic pairing (intentional or not) Does not tend to have fans, instead often garners haters who will argue one character or another is an abuser ect ect. The creators will still believe it's a valid ship, even after writing the Bleach openly gaslighting Peanut Butter. (Ex: Bramblestar x Squirrelflight)
yeah, still have no shame in thinking "zutara" had more potential than "kataang", but i am not the type to go to war over it. Aang was crushing hard (to the point of puppy love), and protag powers willed it into existence, but katara does nothing to reciprocate up until it was time for the ship's endgame. Works fine, but zuko had so many foil traits that it is hard to ignore the potential. Either way, they are all kids, and romance is not their first priority, even more so with the complications of war. "kataang" is serviceable, but bland. "zutara" is a dynamic that was under-explored, where age actually works in favor of the idea. If the gaang was a bit older with a better understanding of intimate, romantic love, would things have been different? Answer: who cares! Enjoy your favorite ships regardless of canon, as long as you are not forcing it onto others.
@@YEY0806 i wont spend long fighting it. Like i said, it does not matter in the end. Yes, she does love aang back, but it is also important to keep in mind the different types of love. Aang was already crushing long before katara had any interest romantically, and the episode that awoke her feelings very much reads as hand of the author pushing them together (fortune teller). It is an issue of reciprocation, as katara shows none until the story is nearly finished and needs to wrap up the loose end, with any previous tenative moments to push the relationship being far easier to read as close friends or a sibling-like relationship (heck, team aavatar is a very blatant found family; a sibling dynamic is not that weird). Yes, zutara had less (crossroads as the only concrete point), but it has the "opposites attract" trope going for it, which is filled with untapped chemistry. Either way, romance was one of the lowest priority subplots of the show, and it is not the reason most watched. I said it before, i was satisfied with kataang, but i could not help but wonder about the potential of zutara, especially if worldly circumstances were different (the 2 major ones being the relationship between age and understanding romance, and the necessary greater threat of a world war/genocide that pushes all other matters to the side.)
"Alright, sell me on this pairing." "Well, he's hot...and she's a nerd who's just an average person...who's also actually hot." "And they share common interests?" "..uh..." "Surely they have SOMETHING in common? Like, if they were talking together, there's a topic they would both like, right? " "Well, they both kinda like Breakfast at Tiffany's, I guess?" "..good grief."
I miss the days when I honestly thought shipping was about actually warships. In my defense a lot of ships name sound like a Japanese Imperial destroy.
Obsessed with the way this man says "a *show* made for *chhhildren*" Also I enjoy my ships as much as the next person, and god I have to say that it's absurd how much people will get mad over them (note: people with any decent common sense won't get upset). Hell, in the Miraculous Ladybug fandom, people will choose their favorite ship of *four* ships between *two* people. It's ridiculous lmao
@@ganii1804 but wait, have you heard of the love tesseract or, perhaps, the love pentahedroid or if we're getting even more fancy, a love hexadecachoron?
Just remember to do what Danganronpa shippers do-actively ignore how characters feel about each other in canon, ship based on rough caricatures of what you want characters to be versus how they actually are, and react with vitriol when someone disagrees with that ship!
Don't tell DR fans that there are no canon ships, at least when it comes to any characters from the games which mad props to the creators for abstaining from that, it leaves a ton of room for fans to get creative with rarepairs and stuff lol
It's not like people came to enjoy the characters because of, you know, their character! Personality traits are totally interchangeable after all! I'm sure making the manipulative egotist and the optimistic heart-of-the-group be in a commited romantic relationship won't in any way undermine the reasons fans came to like those characters in the first place, or otherwise stick up a middle finger at the source material!
@@rainstarsworld9429 weeeell technically speaking there were some canon ships in V3, two to be exact… and they were the incestual ones… and I wish i had those MIB mind wipping devices so I can erase that from my memory.
I don’t mind shipping. It can be fun, cute and just a nice if you want to read two interesting characters get together. Ship wars are dumb. I don’t give a shit if someone else has a different pairing than me, why the fuck should I care? You do you. I don’t mind shipping (in smaller doses), but I avoid the discussions with a wide margin.
ukr, ship wars get toxic as fuck real fast. And if you don't like/ship a ship others like, they hate you like you had just insulted their entire being like- i'm just trying to enjoy the fandom too, chillax
@@kamikazesenpai21 I agree. Misty's not my favorite Poke Girl and I prefer Ash x Serena, but I still like Misty and people who want her and Ash together, I got no beef with that.
I cannot overstate my relief that The Owl House waited to introduce the morally conflicted, insecure, brooding, bad boy until after Lumity was certain to be inevitable. You know that if Hunter was around in season one that the Lunter vs. Lumity wars would have been devastating.
Well, thankfully that did not happen. Also, Eda and Raine are another possible pairing. They seem to still have feelings for eachother. It could be part of a well kade character arc to perhaps see them coming closer together again, Eda learning to manage her curse better and all of that.
Always remember that in the story, the female deuteragonist should always be shipped with the worst possible love interest. Had the bad boy antagonist been distant and/or emotionally manipulative of her? Probably. Should she care? Absolutely not! Even at the point of victory, she should never ACTUALLY defeat the bad boy antagonist because she loved him so much to leave herself vulnerable. Beating the antagonist is the hero's job! Does it completely contradict her character? Eh, whatever. Shipping points are what we need, not a cohesive story nor an actually strong and relatable female character.
Look, okay, it was portrayed as a horribly toxic relationship that both of them would be better if they didn’t get together. Problem is actually getting her to back up and see what exactly he does to her by calling her trash repeatedly (he does that to everybody)
The worst kind of shipping you can do is setting up multiple scenes of two characters having implied romantic interest towards each other only to set them up with completely different characters that they've barely had any screen time with at the last minute **glares at Digimon 02**
Speaking of platonic relationships! I will await the day that JP does a video on the nearly omnipresent trope... the Power of Friendship, or fictional friendships in general. I just love it when the protagonist relies on the power of friendship so much, that their friends are reduced to being mere batteries meant to power the protagonist. Bonus points if the protagonist's friends have absolutely no life of their own outside of the protagonist and has to rely on the protagonist to solve all their personal issues. God forbid that a character is independent and tries to solve things on their own, rather than constantly relying on others. If a character DARES to solve a problem(especially a personal problem) on their own instead of being entirely dependent on the aid of others, have them fail miserably at it until the protagonist(or other characters) conveniently show up to help them through it. While doing this, be sure to beat the audience over the head about how good friends are and how you should always rely on them to get through things Edit: Let's not forget characters who lack friends and are thus incapable of abusi- I mean using the power of friendship. It is imperative that you always make them tragic jerk loners... because we all know that people lacking friends are massive jerks who are obviously suffering from some tragic backstory that you must resolve. The protagonist(or characters) must go out of their way to befriend them, no matter how much the loner treats them with scorn and rejects their friendship.
I came up with a manga script about a superhero who actually has the Power of Friendship as a flashy ability. However, he is secretly a manipulative jerk who likes to show it off
And let’s not forget that if you have a toxic friend, you MUST stay with them because the power of friendship always wins, even if you feel horrible about yourself when you are with them. I swear, if children’s media showed the main character cutting out a toxic person in their life without it being a “oh that person is just misunderstood.” Or “oh it’s your fault your getting abused because you weren’t a good friend.” I would be in a much better place and would have cut out toxic people sooner.
@@solus1247 You should check out Kamome Tsurubami from Medaka Box then, he is the type of guy who supports all those he considers friends, yet also enjoys being a loner and do his own things.
7:59 "Hinata and Sakura both tragically died in a 'who is the most useless' contest". That's great. I love it. It's just so...I don't know. Exactly the kind of thing someone in real life would write in a fanfiction. 😂
@@lewisdelamare2831 Yeah. Ppl gotta wake up and realize that their precious Mc and loads of characters would be dead if it wasnt for her but too bad they're still in the "Sakura is useless " phase
God this video speaks so much to me....its been almost 20 years and the fandom is STILL arguing over ships in ATLA and cannot seem to shut the f*ck up about it. If the fandom isn't arguing over ships , its arguing over Azula and a single post can create a massive debate/argument on reddit.
@@TheHydrakeHydraThere was an artist who either drew Soriel (Sans the funny bone man shipped with the former queen of the underground) or Frans (funny bone man shipped with a literal child) who went to a convention and got a cookie with needles in it from someone who hated the ship. Had to go to the hospital, I think
And they spend the whole first book to finally realize that they are blood related. (And then in the final book, it's revealed that they are not in fact related... and then an orgy breaks loose, to appease the shippers...)
9:15 "I'm afraid we have to be lovers, that's the only kind of relationship emotionally stunted shippers can imagine." That line. *Chef's kiss*. Heaven forbid two characters be in a relationship not driven by a desire to rub reproductive organs together.
I guess it depends. I don’t really see shipping 2 characters as meaning you aren’t capable of enjoying their relationship as friendship or as rivalry, I think it just means you would also enjoy it in a romantic context. But I see that some people can get obsessive about it.
People often underestimate and overlook the sheer thematic and emotional power that platonic relationship can have in a story over a romantic one, a sense of brotherhood, sisterhood, or siblinghood between 2 or more characters coming from different backgrounds that learn to care about eachother in a way that not based on trying to get in their pants, which in my opinion definitely beats out a romantic endgame
While I’m not saying that every character relationships have to end in a platonic way, in my opinion platonic relationships have a special kind of love and care that romantic doesn’t have
I made an OC who has a crush on a canon character and I only ship them platonically because I HC the canon character to not be interested in romantic relationships whatsoever, which is also why I ship the canon character with no one romantically, not even other people’s OCs.
Hmm, someone is a traumatized veteran of the great Avatar Shipping War. That being said, shipping can be a lot of fun, as long as you keep the following ground rules in mind: 1. Don't be a jerk to others if you disagree with their ships. You can have endless nerdy debates about the ships, but attacking someone over their preferred ship is just rude. 2. The best way to disagree with a creator's shipping decision is to make good fanfiction/fan art show casing why your ship is compelling, not attacking the creator and writing long "think" pieces about how the creator is the worst. 3. Don't ship real people. It's creepy. Real people start and end romantic relationships for many reasons, most of which you are not privy to. Their lives are not yours to play make belief with.
I agree to these points. I like shipping, I don't do it often because characters need to have something special to really get to me (and I don't have the best fantasy to fill in the gaps tbh), but it's fun to see as long as it's in a friendly and level-headed manner. It could be just like any other hobby. Unfortunately I think people just get actually super hormonal over ships and that's why they become so angry. Projection is one hell of a drug, and so is romance. Edit: I do have a few ships that I like a lot though, don't get me wrong.
@@emblemblade9245 Ok, how about "Don't ship real people unless you're one of the parties involved"? And probably "*and when the other party consents" (depending on whether 'shipping' means just having a crush or actually trying to be with them).
What about cursed ships? There's bound to be Blood-Related Person x Blood-Related Person sh*t going SOMEWHERE. That's not even considering the "gray area" ships where their relationship(family-wise) is unclear or up to interpretation. I'm looking at YOU, Undertale fandom. (I'm sad I ship a ship that's in the gray area. Don't ask what it is.)
The most beautiful form of shipping is when the soulless corporation decides to give in to the demands of deranged teenagers and make the girl magically fall in love with the man who tried to kill her the whole time. (I'm looking at you, Reylo shippers...)
I heard that some of the Reylo fans actually wanted Adam Driver & Daisy Ridley to get together IRL. To the point of wanting them to break up Adam's marriage. I know its just words on the internet but come on, people! What is wrong with you?
Nope… I realized that it would inevitably end up that way during _The Last Jedi_ when I realized-they were obsessed with each other. And of course, in this world, the only natural next step from obsession is romance. 😒 During _Force Awakens,_ I thought Rey/Finn was nice, and then they turned Finn into a useless character and made it clear it wouldn’t happen. So now, the only ship I have is Han/Leia.
@@cameronspencer9619 What a nice thing from Disney that their white female character shows interest into a poc character just so said poc character turns into a bland misrepresentation of what it used to be and then here he comes the rich, white, buffed dude to save the ship from sinking.
Bonus points, if the ship you support is even more toxic. Example: "I hate the Naruhina, because I consider that she is too co-dependent on him and submissive, on the other hand, I support the Narusasu, where Naruto acts like an obsessive and co-dependent person on a guy who has tried to kill him"
Jokes aside tho, I've seen atleast 2 times where the reveal of characters being related absolutely destroyed shippers and it was so satisfying because both times I hated the ships
I've only had one piece of fiction where I was like: "I want these two together!" and normally don't care what couples get together. But now I see how weird the crazier side of shipping can get and feel like I've dodge a bullet. Or rather prevent myself from making myself the bullet. Also the sponsorship wars narrative is now getting really entertaining.
@@armageddongirl612 Aperently all it took is a fictional rabbit and fox to have an ambigous range from best friends to romantic interest by the end for me to squeal hoping that one end of the spectrum is true. I'll leave it at that for now.
@@armageddongirl612 yes... fear me. I've survived the furry onslaught and back again and came back with only one emotional scar. My powers are unmatched to many. I'm not the most powerful, but like... somewhere top 20? either way, fear me!
I absolutely adore how you say "This *show* made for *children* " with so much suppressed anger
He can see the bronies through the internet.
*ATLA flashbacks*
*I* adore how he's not talking about any particular show, so that line will always be relevant.
'This show about Children's Card Games where people ship two characters who constantly express strong dislike for each other, because of course it's merely concealing romantic passion!'
STVFOE & VOLTRON flashbacks
The first shippers before books and entertainment were parents trying to ship their children with others.
Lmao
Ah yes, the ancient art of match making
The more I think about it, the more I realize Brooklyn 99's Charles Boyle was an in-universe shipper of Jake and Amy. Upping his creepiness.
True
Lol
Don't forget that shipping is 100% necessary, all of the time, regardless of genre or having it add even anything to the plot. And it is also forbidden to have two characters of the opposite sex be 'just friends', no matter how much it takes away from the characters development by having them closer to their friends than love interest.
If the pairing was originally supposed to be platonic, always remember to suddenly change it to romance at the very last minute with no foreshadowing whatsoever. Because we all know that it's impossible to have a conversation with without it ending in make out session.
Forget that, no characters of the *same* sex should be friends! Also, no relationship should be self-contained, everyone should be jealous of everyone else all the time!
In recent times, the "opposite sex" thing has become irrelevant, trust me. Nobody can have normal friends of any kind. If the character are even just 1% close to someone, it HAS to be subtext romance and sexual desire, no matter about gender, sexuality, age, character background, NOTHING. And of course, with the most recent patch of insanity that is spreading like a disease (at least in the fandoms I'm in, sadly), if more than 2 people are anywhere near close, then it MUST BE REPRESENTATION FOR POLYROMANTIC RELATIONSHIPS. I've seen people unironically claiming this for the main group of friends in the new animation film "Red". It shows obvious "polyromantic platonic relationship" subtext, come on! It's not like friendships exist for real anyway, right? Or is it just me who has never had any??? Impossible, the reality is that EVERYTHING IS ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS SUBTEXT 🤪
And even if one of the characters already has a significant other, there's no trouble, they'll all be able to arrange a big, loving org* anyway! Sex must be the only way of interaction between humans, am I right? I wouldn't know, I haven't interacted with other real humans in so long...
@@gauntlettcf5669 What no way! are you telling me the random horny guy on twitter might have terrible social skills and might be projecting their kinks? Thats impossible
I agree...fandoms look way into deep friendships and put ships where there is like very little to know room for it. *cough cough* Ace attorney *cough cough*
@@megarotom1590 Like that franchise has barely any romance besides like maybe Gumshoe and Maggey, a few examples basically for a 'main character. Although I find all the Wrightworth art to be humorous.
Two characters: Look in each other's general direction for exactly one frame
Shippers: Now THAT is some romantic tension!
2 characters show actual romantic tension.
Shippers: They're just friends.
Ah yes Robute gilliman x yvairne
This unleashed deep forgotten memories of my youth, when I watched an Inuyasha episode and someone comented something among the lines of: "Oh! Look at the way Sesshomaru looks at Kagome... He clearly respects and loves her more than anything in the world~!💕"
... For those who don't know, Sesshomaru is kinda of a side-quest antagonist for the male MC and he and Kagome (the main girl character) barely even talk at eachother for the entirety of the anime. Oh, and the frame this person was pointing out was one when Sesshomaru wasn't even looking at her; he was looking (and _talking_) to another person right behind Kagome's back.
Ahsoka Tv series; Wolfwren in a nutshell.
@@jarlathquinn2628 HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY
Also the sub-side of shipping, The Best Girl Wars. There's usually a big one every year. Do the fans care about the dude they're shipping her with? HELL NO he could be switched out with a houseplant. What matters is their best girl win this wooden board of a man.
@@CCLOSPINA other fan:it's simple. Main character is just generic enough that we can easily project onto him.
And if best girl gets with another girl they'll just ignorince the love interest out of existence
Some of those conflicts have raged since the 90s, with no sign of slowing down or coming close to stopping.
And I have participated.
Or in other words literally the basis of like 90% of harem anime/manga/LNs/VNs. Like quite literally to the point of many VNs literally having nameless/faceless protagonists who barely even speak.
I can only name like 2 harem anime where people actually want the guy to score w the best girl
"Ah crap, I set him up for a smooth segway"
Absolutely brilliant line
It's "segue" if you mean a connection between two events. #learntospell
@@canaisyoung3601 wait, IT IS?!
The multi writer cross purpose thing was parts of steven universe, one of the writers very clearly liked the idea of peridot and lapis being together, but everyone else basically ignored it so it was really weird how some episodes have them acting like they were already married while others they are just roommates.
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree here. Aside from the "getting over hatred of each other" segment of the storyline, I never really think the show leaned towards a romantic subtext - I always took it as a close platonic one (The scene of them just goofing around with instruments in the barn is my favorite example of this).
9:07 "Besides, fanfic writers are excused from creatively pushing their boundaries and should be free to wallow in their indulgence."
This advice is supposed to be terrible, but I kind of agree. I mean, if nobody's paying you to write the story, you've got to make it worth your while somehow. Be as indulgent as you want! If you want it to be "good", well, that's different.
JP is truly the Lovechild of Hbomberguy and Critical Drinker.
Oh so different, oh so similar.
@@loturzelrestaurantthe critical drinker is shit though so
@@loturzelrestaurant Why does that matter? It’s the internet. Not to mention that my point still stands.
@@levthemapperxd Why would it not matter? Everywhere? Its the Internet.
@@levthemapperxd Mistakes are mistakes. Wrong is Wrong and Right is Right.
Just remember that reylos actually got mad when Finn and Rey's actors sat together at the Oscars because enemies to lovers fans are an actual cancer on this earth
What about Stans? They are an even bigger cancer in this world than most kinds of fans ever are.
*only in certain situations and certain fandoms. for example, say a villain actually has a redemption arc and ends up compatriots with the protagonists. there's a basis for an actually decent enemies to lovers story there. if there's complex feelings between the two parties, where neither really want to hurt the others, there's a variety of ways for it to be interpreted, including enemies to lovers. that's just two examples of it being done possibly well.
@@strangevol5264can you people pls stop with this “not all fandoms” talk wdgaf, you all still annoying
@@strangevol5264 I actually want to know the whole psychological aspect to why people eat up the "enemies to lovers" trope.
@@ArbitraryOutcome They want to fuck their bullies. I'm joking it's (hopefully) WAY more complicated than that
My friend is vehemently anti-shipping, I once accidentally started a free-for-all shipping war. Needless to say, this is topic we rarely talk about.
I kind of want to hear this story.
@@deathsecretary2055 A person started posting shipping art to the subreddit where a character from my OTC was shipped with a character I didn't like. As a joke, I made inflamatory comments below those posts defending my OTC. These started gaining steam, so people posted artwork of the character I liked shipped with increasingly unlikely characters. I was ready to call it off, but the sub was notorious for having a few loony fans of the ship I liked (it's an anime sub, you know what those are like). So of course, they got angry, which meant that people started doubling down and posting other controversial ships and general trolling. It lasted a few days before people stopped and I made peace with the guy I originally had the feud with. My friend really likes the other member of my OTC, but hates all non-canon ships, so needless to say, he was not very happy with me.
@@SynGirl32 Has it long ago enough to be funny yet or does it need another year?
@@deathsecretary2055 Eh, no one really talks about it, so I can't tell, but it wasn't really acidic or hateful like other wars. Most of it was ironic and it was just taken seriously by a few people.
Depending on how extreme an anti-shipper is, they can be just as frustrating as a Shipper.
Don't forget the gigabrain move of "Pair the Spares", where two characters only end up together because all of the other potential pairings are already taken. Do the two spares have any sort of compatibility and chemistry that would naturally lead to them being a couple? Well, no, but that won't stop the fans from making essay-long diatribes filled with their headcanons on the pairing that the writer TOTALLY thought about when making the canon story. Have the two spares ever had any meaningful interactions, or even said more than 5 lines to each other? Of course not, but that won't stop the fans from gushing over them and making 20 minute long videos going over their so-called "romantic life", when all of their interactions can be summarized as "they breathed the same air". (Looking at you Inosuke x Aoi shippers)
I thought it was "Pair the Spares" because they have characters leftover that are unattached. RomComs do this a lot by literally inventing a whole new character in the finale/epilogue to ship the rejected suitor with.
@@BonaparteBardithion Yeah, it's that. OP just got it wrong.
@@moonfusion9964 That's what I said. "only end up together because all of the other potential pairings are already taken" = "characters leftover that are unattached". It's just worded differently, with @BonaparteBardithion going over the history of the trope, whereas I go over the flaws of the trope.
I'm saying you got the NAME wrong, not the concept of the trope.
@@moonfusion9964 Ah, gotcha. I fixed it.
Shipping and fan creations can be fun! You know. As long as you aren’t a jerk to others and you leave the creators alone. Those are the MOST important two rules that should be followed. Just don’t harass anyone and stay out of conflict. Block liberally and have your fun. It’s supposed to be a little hobby where you can make some friends and bond over similar interests, not a war zone which makes everyone miserable.
There are fffffffaaaaarrrrrr too many people who need to hear this.
"This entire TWA universe is a mere construct to help sell his books." Speaking of which, when's Aeon Legion book 2 coming out?
What a twist
Imagine for a moment a fantasy story, good old sword and sorcery, humans vs demon a conflict as old as time. Except the demons are led by a Demon Queen who wages war on humanity just so that she can instigate the rise of heroes so that she can play matchmaker for those heroes. Who utilizes her minions to create elaborate plot lines to guide particular heroes and love interests together, even if the Demon Queen must occasionally cut out the love triangles by capturing the "extra" and turning them into demons or sealing them away somewhere for use later with some other hero. In the end the heroes think they win, but their True Love ending was Just As Planned by the Demon Queen who will menace the world again probably within a few decades so she can craft another ship.
This is genius and terrifying
Fucking. LOVE IT.
Now THATS psychological horror!
That sounds like a potentially incredible comedy
@@TheRealFrozenFire Your friends died, your comrades died, your cities burn, your religion infested and warped by cultists, greedy nobles launched a civil war that nearly tore your homeland apart... all so that a farm boy from who knows where could get laid and marry the princess because the Demon Queen, the mastermind of all of this, thought they looked cute together.
The entire TWA Universe is one big ad. I think, in my heart, I knew the truth. I just didn’t want to accept it.🥺😢
My issue with "shippers" is that any discussion of what characters make sense together ends up being branded as shipping.
I like to discuss fiction. I like to discuss the writing of that fiction. If a character dies an emotionally satisfying death, then just out of nowhere comes back to life, that is unsatisfying writing. I will comment on that writing as such. This goes for any aspect of a story being told. If there's an instance of just outright bad writing in the story, I feel it should be commented on.
So, when I comment that two characters don't make sense together, I'm not some weird shipper who just likes to see oddball relationships for no good reason. I'm just commenting on an aspect of a story that I feel was written poorly. Like Aang and Katara. They had no chemistry. Aang's feellings for Katara were written like a schoolyard crush. And, Katara never really seemed to care much about him. It didn't make sense from either direction. Hell, you can even see in Legend of Korra: their relationship sucked. Katara deserved better. Toph also deserved better. I felt like Toph and Aang had nicely complimentary personalities. But, there was also not much between them, so I can't really comment much on that either.
Point being, I hate that the internet environment is such that I can't have a rational discussion on the positive and negative points about a specific part of a story without being branded as some kind of psycho with a fancy title. It's really damn annoying.
Edit: Similarly, I also enjoy predicting future plot points in ongoing stories. And, I would like to be able to predict plot points that happen to be about two characters being romantically involved with each other without it being about "shipping". God damn it! I just like making predictions! I don't just think Yang and Blake are cute together. I felt like there were hints at a relationship and how that relationship would affect the plot. I'm not shipping them. I just like calling out foreshadowing!
Hi there. I agree. That is all.
For all your talk about wanting to discuss storytelling you don't seem to be doing a good job at it. You criticize the writing in ATLA about Aang and Katara's relationship and all you have to say is "They had no chemistry, Aang acted like a kid and Katara didn't seem to care much about him".
It's safe to say all of that is wrong to the point I wonder if you even watched the show or if you are remembering things correctly because from what I remember Aang is a literal child in the beginning and his whole arc is learning to grow up and deal with his emotions in a mature way. That also includes his feelings for Katara. For fucks sake he gives up learning to control the Avatar state to save her life and you claim he has a "schoolyard crush", fuckin absurd.
They have a fantastic friendship that's excelently developed throughout the series and Katara's feelings grow increacingly romantic towards the end, her reluctance to accept them isn't because she doesn't like him but because of her own trauma with her father and Aang's near death expirience. I really don't know how you can say that they have no chemistry when their relationship is the most prominent one and has the most veriety in interactions among every other in the show, romantic or not.
I don't really need to be saying this, anyone who's seen the show can tell you that instead of repeating someone else's shitty opinion and simply picking them as your example because people know them to prop up your own argument.
@@domagojzrilic3767 First of all, I didn't discuss it much because it wasn't the focal point of the comment. It would have made an already long comment even longer and more cluttered.
But, I will agree that they had a beautiful friendship. I just don't think that friendship had to end in a lasting romance. Having a crush at one point in the story is fine and adds to the story. But, how often do people end up with the person they had a crush on when they are 10? If the story is indeed about Aang maturing, then it would make more sense for him to mature past his childhood crush.
Eh, I'd say it depends on the context of the crush Joseph. If it was simply about her looks or just because she was nice, then yeah it would make more sense for him to move on. I definitely get why you don't like the ship; all I'm saying is I've seen it done worse.
@@fightingmedialounge519 All I have to disagree with is your use of the word "ship".
"Obviously, they must die."
That quote and image made me laugh harder than any other part.
JB, what are you saying!? People online are great at writing relationships!! They obviously have tons of experience in relationships and knowing exactly how they work!!
5:54 that's it. My favorite JP moment, from now until eternity! XD JP, your voice work was PHENOMENAL this episode, not to mention the writing, and the climax of the advertising wars!? This couldn't get any better!
MANY roasted Onisions Books and Empress Theresa too, who i see as Siblings cause one is a famously unhealthy Atheist and one is a famously unhealthy Theist; effectively making them Odd Anti-Thesis to each other; but Krimson Rogue and Jabroni are still my Favorite Coverage of 'em!
Tbh, I would love TH-camr Terrible Writing Advice to take a Look. I love his Humor for these Things.
I was unreasonably disappointed when it was revealed this was an episode about romantic shipping, not transporting-things-to-places shipping
JP: "Shipping is serious business, so I'm going to Ship all writers with this handy video on how to steer their Ship properly!"
Me: "...You joke, but honestly, JP? Shipping wars have started over far *far* *FAAAAARRRRRR* less than that. This is practically a Canon Pairing by comparison" XD
In-universe JP's Greed is pretty scary. He actually does understand how each of the characters was created, their strengths, their weakness, their motives. He's the ultimate monster.
Ok, the twist at 13:42 is just brilliant. And shameless. And not entirely true. I think I am going to have to buy the book now.
Ah yes the annoying fan obsession that drags down the intellectual property with fan warfare.
I love how at 13:25 he begins directly quoting Tempest Shadow.
I screamed no when I heard that final line! Damn you JP YOUVE FOOLED US ALL!!!!
What a twist!
Wow, what a twist. I don't usually cry during a season finale, but that long drawn out NOOOO really hit hard.
P.S. I ship The dark lord and the vanilla love interest. They have so much in common.
3:42 thanks jp, totally forgot about my laundry.
I didn,t expect this to be fifteen minutes of vagueposting about Voltron but I am here for it!
When it’s been 14 years since your kid’s show ended but the vitriol about whether an Inuit ended up with a Geisha Ninja Samurai or a Blind one-dimensional ball of anger is so fresh, that team Anger-Ball is still desperate for a win in an inferior sequel:
*Kek*
9:28 Ah looking at the Steven Universe and Transformers fandoms are we?
People seriously do shippings in Transformers?
@@PeruvianPotato I mean there's at least one canon timeline where a human woman had a baby with a 'male' transformer, the writers did it themselves.
I think I shipped maybe, 2 or 3 pairs of characters in my life? Didn't go so far as to write blogs about it or argue with others about other ships or anything, just kinda find it fun getting a little excited to see chemistry between characters you like. It tickles the imagination and gives you something to be happy thinking about, which I think is nice.
Did you end a series with a good relationship between two characters? Be sure to break that up between two series! Especially if that relationship survived two entire 3-season series. Then, take the non-protagonist one out of the bunch to be removed from the plot just to break the characters up, and put in some stupid reasoning like a dumb misunderstanding that should never have happened! Wait, we have a void now. How about we take a character from the first series that existed for an episode and a cameo and bring her back instead! I'm totally sure that will be a healthy relationship. Especially if she's there for the protagonist's hero side and not the person himself... and be sure to only give the two about 5 episodes total of screentime together! While also shoving the other interests in that series under the rug.
what series am i talking about? besides what you've already seen, it has 4 main series in one continuous line, with the fourth one being way longer than each of the others. if i say any more that would give it away.
Can at least have a hint of what genre it is?
@@somethingclever4297 action, also a western ip
@@pikminman13 is it related to super hero's?
@@somethingclever4297 its not a super hero ip per se but i guess the character is a type of super hero
@@pikminman13 is it a cw show? If not I give up.
Shipping can be a fun excercise for Fans to enjoy and can honestly enrich a Story.
But than there are those who attack the shows creators or harass other Fans because generic male 1 couldnt get to bang the canonical lesbian
That evangelion fans in a nutshell .
Who’s the lesbian in Evangelion?
My money’s on Ritsuko.
Unironically was hoping to learn something about writing advice regarding trade and logistics on the open seas
LMAOOO
Your thumbnail shows PBxChocolate fighting with PBxJelly. Meanwhile, the true pairing ends up being PBxBanana out of nowhere in the final three episodes, and I'm over here rooting for the Crack pairing of PBxPickles.
Man, PB gets shipped with EVERYTHING.
Not to mention the PBxVanilla Wafers who sometimes try to get involved in the big ship war, but aren’t big enough to be taken seriously. And of course, everyone in the ship wars, no matter whether they’re pairing PB with Jelly, Chocolate, Banana, Vanilla Wafers, or even Pickles, will unite against the deepest, darkest shipping corner of PBxBleach.
Your ads are the few I'm willing to watch just to know what happens next in your story
I'VE MISSED THESE VIDEOS SO MUCH I'VE BEEN WONDERING WHEN A NEW ONE IS COMING OUT AAAA SO GLAD MY FAVORITE TOPIC IS BEING TALKED ABOUT
Say what you want but, Pirates of the Caribbean has the best ships
Saddest part is major industry writing jobs seem to have been given to shipping fan-fic writers lately, people who can comprehend a human relation ship that isn't hatred and/or lust.
Remember that scene in Star Wars Episode 9 that made no sense and was just put in to make the Reylo Shippers happy but then even failed at that because Kylo just died 2 seconds later anyway
I never realized how many partnerships the Peanut Butter has. Jelly, Chocolate, Honey, Crackers, Bleach and more!
Idk, Cedric canonically turned into a death eater, so anything's possible
JP is truly the Lovechild of Hbomberguy and Critical Drinker.
Oh so different, oh so similar.
8:26 I hate that I know what Aang is referring to.
What is he referring to
@@ciphergacha9100 an ATLA fan comic called “How I became yours” where Katara is pregnant with Zuko’s child and Mai sends her a poison apple which causes Katara to have a miscarriage.
@@bronxshogun7089 what the fuck
@@bronxshogun7089link?
You should totally do an episode on redemption arcs, ive seen so many of them be messed up
This had to be done.
Oh, and BTW, some pairing were entirely obvious since the beginning, but the funny part is how people STILL were surprised/enraged/whatever when it did happen that way
So I am a writer in of myself, to be honest I’m not really good with writing romance in my stories, I mainly just focus on the adventure and the non-romantic relationships between characters, usually the characters in my story are already married so I would just focus on everything else.
Out of all of the fandoms that are notorious for shipping, nobody has brought up Zootopia fandom. So I decided to bring it up.
There are many Wildehopps shippers who are very toxic people. I personally have nothing against Wildehopps, I just don't ship it.
It's really surprising because that's like tho only ship people think about. There's so many other characters and people don't randomly ship them like that always do? Very suspicious.
Throughout this whole video, I couldn’t stop thinking of RWBY. That fandom is absolute shipping war chaos. It’s hard to tell people that I enjoy the show when I don’t want to associate with the crazy fandom, the countless shipping wars they cause, and the influence the shipping wars seemingly have on the show itself. I’m surprised there aren’t more people talking about RWBY here
All the references to klance…Yeah thats all right
I actually thought this had some tips on writing nautical-related stuff, but well, now I'm watching it
Could there be a terrible writing advice video on giving characters immortality? Hope I’m not being annoying by requesting stuff.
Obviously the correct thing to do is write a meta psychological horror story about it where suddenly a bunch of characters start flinging themselves at each other like floppy ragdolls and it's an accurately-predicted result of the first readerbase's impulses, many more of which make the characters do other things until some smart reader inevitably becomes the antagonist and achieves total mind and body control. Then it's genocide, but they stop to realise this is probably that smart reader's evil plan and lock themselves all in safes so they can never be messed with again. Until the plot twist comes where the smart reader played Miegakure and intends to pull them kata out of the box with another dimension and someone only points it out at the last second so they make themselves all explode before they can do anything. Or whatever you want, as long as it's effective psychological horror and minimises toxic-fanbase rate.
7:31 Excuse you?!?!?
Naruto X Kurama all the way, he was always there for him, from the first episode.
Ok serious questions about shipping.
How to make good shipping between characters?
Make them actually have chemistry and have them fall in love for reasons that actual humans would do
Also make them respect each other
Make the ship healthy and if it isn't then portray it as what it is
This is why all of my characters are ace, [and also technically aliens], and why every single one is either already in a committed, stable relationship [or relationships] when the story begins, or aro as well.
I am now hyped to read your work
@@adrienneczerni6516 Wow! Thank you, both for replying, and for being interested. That really means a lot to me! Unfortunately, I don't have any books ready to be published or anything like that, just lore and worldbuilding that I've been working on for years. I would like to turn my stories into a visual medium of some sort, maybe a webcomic, but I have no idea where I'd even start.
@@kurathchibicrystalkitty5146 do you have a discord?
saw the boats and thought this was a genuine video about shipping lanes
Same here, actually
2:10 yeah ive noticed a lot of modern media in general just has writers kind of doing their own thing rather than collaborating, fighting over the property while its being written rather than... You know, having a discussion like adults? Like that scene from Rick and Morty where Rick says "oh duh, I had a screwdriver this whole time because im basically inspector gadget" Not only was it a retread of a joke that was one better before, but if that was the case then why didnt the writers just not write that situation to be a thing? I mean a writer NOTICED this inconsistency, why just write over it instead of writing something else in the first place?
Also just the little things when I hear "oh I just did X Y Z on a whim, I just felt like doing it" and it just makes it in? No you have to discuss, think about these things. You cant just do them. Or like that scene in the new cuphead show where half the imps had eyelashes for like just the one scene, and no other scene. I know whoever did that shouldnt be storyboarding the show because thats dumb.
3:58 it was kind of hilarious when Steven Universe did it in a *literal* sense. And then annoying when they pointed it out in the last season. Funny how context changes things.
9:32 okay thats definitely a refence to SU. Take a look at their dancing. Heck the way they react to eachother. If fusion wasnt an allegory for sex, I dont know what the heck they where doing.
And yes I know what that implies about our main character Steven and some of the fusions he's involved with. Just wait a few years, they might outright say that was intentional.
This is one of the two channels I’ve seen on TH-cam with enjoyable ads. The other channel is Neytirix.
There are, in my plotline, two characters who I know for a fact will be shipped together REGARDLESS of the fact that they are *twin brothers.* It makes me cringe just knowing that it *will* happen and that I won't be able to do anything about it...
*gasp* A TWA VIDEO?! AND A TOPIC I LOVE?! Yeah, I am so saving this as a treat when I finish my homework
My hero fans, take notes.
you should make a video about sympathetic villains that end up being so right about their ideals to the point they make the hero look like a total dumbass so the writer needs to have the villain commit over the top acts of villainy to remind the audience that he is the villain
why didn't I see this video in my subscription box, I watch every single one as it comes out, there is no excuse!!
I ship dark lord and inner critic
Can you do one on subverting expectations.
Too many medias are trying hard for twist endings without actually thinking about the implications of said twist.
Ex: dragonquest your story subverts expectations by being in a video game the whole time but it really only harms the narrative and makes it another video game isaki plot.
Or doom eternal makes davoth the dark lord as the creator last minute who was betrayed but it adds nothing narratively to the plot as doom slayer still kills him and hes still an evil villain who wants to suck everything into hell.
That part about shipping wars getting into the writing room itself? Yeah, I'm pretty sure that happened to Jaina Solo and her perpetual rotation of long-term relationships in the old Star Wars novels.
Luke Skywalker was tossed around too for a while before he ended up with Mara
@@kr4119 I heard about that, yeah.
Finally someone else mentioned this. What about Corran Horn from the X-Wing books?
@@Erolsaurus Did she have a fling with him, too?
@@philipmonihan8222 Not that I know of, but I've read Rogue Squadron and part of Wedge's Gamble and he seems to have relations with almost every single female character in the books.
I thought this was going to be about how sea/space trade effects a fictional setting.
Also, Rey/Finn forever!
This is literally " Why Star vs the Force of Evil Failed at the End"
7:13 Didn't expect you to include the entire Fnaf fandom in the video today.
The part about shipping in “shows made for children” is literally Miraculous Ladybug in a nutshell. I find it incredible how both adults and children often come together on Reddit to defend their ships on 15 year old fictional characters, who have terribly written romantic interactions in the source material.
That whole show is basically "shipping war" the show though, right? Not to be confused with the actual "shipping wars" show on history
It's worst because everyone is fighting over four different ships that are actually one ship which was bad enough on its own until the writers introduce side pairings that made the whole thing messier than it already was. Good thing I grew up enough to stop caring
It's almost like plenty of other people have ideas on how a good ML story could actually go, put their ideas onto paper, and then put it on the internet for others to see. Crazy concept.
I feel like Miraculous is more an example of what happens when the money making corporate side and the creative sides of creating shows don’t agree. ML is super drawn out by now, the original idea that gathered the fan base in the first place is beaten into the ground with no shakeup of the status quo, but if you actually have a good, planned ending, the corporate side loses their cash cow. A shame really, the original concept is good, but the later stuff doesn’t really expand on the secret identity aspect that made the first two seasons alright. It’s just “no one can know!” and they leave it at that
Unlike Shiping, Science vs Science-Denial
actually affects real People.
Lots of them, but I aint sure if the Averaga Joe knows that.
"The entire TWA expanded universe is, in fact, one giant advertisement." Imagine how it would feel to be told your world is an ad.
Oh yeah, man that *would* be devastating. I'd want to grab the character by the lapels and (shaking vigorously) ask, with a mood between despair, confusion and rage: *"What the sam hill are we even ADVERTISING?! There isn't even the slightest bit of common narrative threads or obvious product placement!* XD
I would probably demand a loyalty check on the spot.
I would feel depressed.
BUT THEN I WOULD HAVE FUN BY PLAYING RAID SHADOW LEGENDS.
Imagine dedicating your life by oath to fighting ads, and THEN finding out your world is an ad.
I would demand from whatever individual that made this ad royalties.
Shipping is arguably the most profitable, yet dangerous creative decisions a writer can make
This is honestly the best way to describe shipping
I am still mad Toph and Aang didn't become a Power Couple.
@@undeadblizzard
. . . . wait what
@@animationdude9 Yes. A Butch and a Femme come on.
@@undeadblizzard No, how are you still mad about that after the show ended _almost 15 years ago?_
Ah yes, the true way to stop unwanted shippings
*Unrestricted Submarine Warfare*
As someone who is part German I approve
I do love my World War I references in TH-cam comment sections.
@@thunderblood6603 they’re great
Let me guess. Your great great great great great great grandfather was German.
Tom Clancy stopped shipping in his story by having the Soviets take Iceland.
@@joshuabessire9169 let me guess, no one heard from greenland ever again
You’ll be happy to know that the My Hero Academia fandom followed all of your advice in this video!
Allow me offer you my congratulations... and condolences.
Hoo boy, the Mazinger fandom is actually remarkably civil for a (barely technically) fifty year old fandom. Even better is that the oldest surviving Mazinger fans have become grandparents already.
Bonus points for it being a show not for children
Bakugo: "I hate you. Go die in a hole."
Shippers: "oh my god they're in loooove!"
At least it was the fandom and not the writers.
*GLARES AT ROOSTER TEETH*
Not just that, they started following it before he even made the video. That's how good this advice is.
I actually thought this was going to cover logistics, I was not prepared for an indepth look into the art of shipping.
Drachinifel has a 50 minute long video on naval logistics, perhaps that could sprak your interest.
@@hmswarspite1064 Thank you! I had myself excited for a logistics video, so those look great!
That would have made a good April fools joke.
I work in logistics, this sounds like typical office drama. Glad I work outside loading flatbed trailers.
@@hmswarspite1064 Thank you Warspite, btw, big fan of your work. Sorry they tried to scrap you, great injustice!
The most toxic ships I've ever seen were when degenerates shipped real people (Looking at you Markiplier x Jacksepticeye shippers)
To be honest, many of those people are young and probably don't know better, which I admit doesn't excuse them. Thankfully most grow up and see the error of their ways and change for the better.
Or Dan Avidan x Arin Hanson shippers. Especially when they explicitly stated that they are uncomfortable with it. Dan has a girlfriend and Arin has a wife for goodness sakes.
the only time its ok is if youre just supporting the real relationship that already exists. which really is only pseudo shipping but you get the point. you simply want to see a couple be happy.
Even if it’s with characters that are fictional, but used by someone to represent themselves, it crosses a line. Actors in a movie might not care that much about fanfiction of their characters, but a vtuber might not appreciate someone shipping their avatar without permission. But streamers and youtube personalities, with the huge overlap between their ‘on-air characters’ and real selves, definitely make for the grossest ship fiction.
@@dymaxion3988 i think that comes down to vtubers portraying their character they made, while actors are portraying someone else's character. but you know, we live in a world where people draw r34 of real people, some people have no limits.
When I was younger and taking part in shipping wars, I started going "fuck it" at one point and making my own characters to ship together and oh my goodness it was infinitely more fun
That's how I got into writing. I'm not proud of it, but that's my story
Hey, that's legit. Good for you. 👍
As stressful as writing is, I can imagine it being a heckuva lot less stressful than fighting a shipping war.
Like literally, making your own characters is SOOO much better. Best of all, you can insert yourself into it with no reprocussions.
Based
@@AshdorCrush9000 well you can always kill your self insert for plot.
Well, you gotta start somewhere
“A romantic relationship in a SHOW MADE FOR CHILDREN. Th stakes couldn’t be higher!”
“Remove it with all the Grace and subtly usually reserved for the Nevada Test Site”
“The best way to sink ships is with unrestricted submarine warfare”
This video is gold.
"How should fans deal with fans of a rival ship? Well obviously, they must die!"
Don’t forget the Pearl Harbor reference
*Peanut Butter and Jelly:* The pairing that the story constantly builds up and hints at, perhaps even the canon pairing. Kind of basic, but still cute and sweet enough to have a decently popular fan following. (Ex: Aang x Katara)
*Peanut Butter and Chocolate:* A pairing that is based on two character's interactions with each other and their dynamic. Has an 85% chance of not being a canon pairing, mostly exists within fan circles and fanfiction. (Ex: Katara x Zuko)
*Peanut Butter and Vanilla Wafers:* Can be a fandom-based pairing of characters based on elements such as design appeal, similar powers, ect. that is ultimately shallow and not very interesting. Or a canon pairing that the creators add in when the characters have no apparent chemistry to be found aka "Pair the spares." (Ex: Jack Harkness x Donna Noble)
*Peanut Butter and Bleach:* Canon pairing that either does not make sense in canon, or the pairing in question is being written as a toxic pairing (intentional or not) Does not tend to have fans, instead often garners haters who will argue one character or another is an abuser ect ect. The creators will still believe it's a valid ship, even after writing the Bleach openly gaslighting Peanut Butter. (Ex: Bramblestar x Squirrelflight)
@adenosine 2 electric boogaloo I searched and bramblestar is real
Fuckin Fascinating comment
yeah, still have no shame in thinking "zutara" had more potential than "kataang", but i am not the type to go to war over it. Aang was crushing hard (to the point of puppy love), and protag powers willed it into existence, but katara does nothing to reciprocate up until it was time for the ship's endgame. Works fine, but zuko had so many foil traits that it is hard to ignore the potential. Either way, they are all kids, and romance is not their first priority, even more so with the complications of war. "kataang" is serviceable, but bland. "zutara" is a dynamic that was under-explored, where age actually works in favor of the idea. If the gaang was a bit older with a better understanding of intimate, romantic love, would things have been different? Answer: who cares! Enjoy your favorite ships regardless of canon, as long as you are not forcing it onto others.
@@YEY0806 i wont spend long fighting it. Like i said, it does not matter in the end. Yes, she does love aang back, but it is also important to keep in mind the different types of love. Aang was already crushing long before katara had any interest romantically, and the episode that awoke her feelings very much reads as hand of the author pushing them together (fortune teller). It is an issue of reciprocation, as katara shows none until the story is nearly finished and needs to wrap up the loose end, with any previous tenative moments to push the relationship being far easier to read as close friends or a sibling-like relationship (heck, team aavatar is a very blatant found family; a sibling dynamic is not that weird). Yes, zutara had less (crossroads as the only concrete point), but it has the "opposites attract" trope going for it, which is filled with untapped chemistry. Either way, romance was one of the lowest priority subplots of the show, and it is not the reason most watched. I said it before, i was satisfied with kataang, but i could not help but wonder about the potential of zutara, especially if worldly circumstances were different (the 2 major ones being the relationship between age and understanding romance, and the necessary greater threat of a world war/genocide that pushes all other matters to the side.)
Squirrelflight my beloved 🥺
At this point she should just give up on men and become lesbian or just stop dating all together
"Alright, sell me on this pairing."
"Well, he's hot...and she's a nerd who's just an average person...who's also actually hot."
"And they share common interests?"
"..uh..."
"Surely they have SOMETHING in common? Like, if they were talking together, there's a topic they would both like, right? "
"Well, they both kinda like Breakfast at Tiffany's, I guess?"
"..good grief."
I swear to God it’s like some of these writers have never been in or seen a relationship before
Ooh, a Deep Blue Something reference. Those are rare
I swear most shippers have never actually seen a member of the opposite sex
also, nice pfp *B U D D Y*
As I recall, I think they both sort of liked it. Seems like that's the one thing they've got.
"Plus, their chemistry is like, amazing. He said 'hello' once and she said 'hello' back!! They are absolutely in love with each other!!"
I miss the days when I honestly thought shipping was about actually warships. In my defense a lot of ships name sound like a Japanese Imperial destroy.
lmao same man
Amusingly, Rei Ayanami and Asuka Langley Sohryu's surnames are literally that of a destroyer and two aircraft carriers.
@@anon6000 and 90% of the cast as well named after ships, parts, etc.
Then you’ll love to know about kantai collection.
Like ズタラ?
Obsessed with the way this man says "a *show* made for *chhhildren*"
Also I enjoy my ships as much as the next person, and god I have to say that it's absurd how much people will get mad over them (note: people with any decent common sense won't get upset). Hell, in the Miraculous Ladybug fandom, people will choose their favorite ship of *four* ships between *two* people. It's ridiculous lmao
The love square
Okay but legit MariChat is the best iteration of the love square, because they’re both jist comfortable and casual with each other.
idc if you like this dynamic of the exact same two people together i ship them with entirely different people
@@starburst98 the love dodecahedron, the final stage of the trope
@@ganii1804 but wait, have you heard of the love tesseract or, perhaps, the love pentahedroid or if we're getting even more fancy, a love hexadecachoron?
Just remember to do what Danganronpa shippers do-actively ignore how characters feel about each other in canon, ship based on rough caricatures of what you want characters to be versus how they actually are, and react with vitriol when someone disagrees with that ship!
And make a Lot of characters gay for no reason
Don't tell DR fans that there are no canon ships, at least when it comes to any characters from the games
which mad props to the creators for abstaining from that, it leaves a ton of room for fans to get creative with rarepairs and stuff lol
It's not like people came to enjoy the characters because of, you know, their character! Personality traits are totally interchangeable after all!
I'm sure making the manipulative egotist and the optimistic heart-of-the-group be in a commited romantic relationship won't in any way undermine the reasons fans came to like those characters in the first place, or otherwise stick up a middle finger at the source material!
Oh, let DR fans have their fun. Two thirds of their casts always end up dead by the end of the games anyway
@@rainstarsworld9429 weeeell technically speaking there were some canon ships in V3, two to be exact… and they were the incestual ones… and I wish i had those MIB mind wipping devices so I can erase that from my memory.
I don’t mind shipping. It can be fun, cute and just a nice if you want to read two interesting characters get together.
Ship wars are dumb. I don’t give a shit if someone else has a different pairing than me, why the fuck should I care? You do you. I don’t mind shipping (in smaller doses), but I avoid the discussions with a wide margin.
ukr, ship wars get toxic as fuck real fast. And if you don't like/ship a ship others like, they hate you like you had just insulted their entire being like-
i'm just trying to enjoy the fandom too, chillax
Wise decision
Agreed. And somehow I end up in the fandoms with crazy ship wars (Ash x Misty vs Ash x Serena, Zutara vs Kataang, and Reylo vs Damerey vs Rey x Finn)
@@darkpinkgirl6684 legit the wisest words for any fandom can live by: Chillax
@@kamikazesenpai21 I agree. Misty's not my favorite Poke Girl and I prefer Ash x Serena, but I still like Misty and people who want her and Ash together, I got no beef with that.
I cannot overstate my relief that The Owl House waited to introduce the morally conflicted, insecure, brooding, bad boy until after Lumity was certain to be inevitable. You know that if Hunter was around in season one that the Lunter vs. Lumity wars would have been devastating.
Well, thankfully that did not happen. Also, Eda and Raine are another possible pairing. They seem to still have feelings for eachother. It could be part of a well kade character arc to perhaps see them coming closer together again, Eda learning to manage her curse better and all of that.
I mean, Luz *is* canonically bi... But yeah. She and her tomato girlfriend are too cute together
That's wont stop some people from losing the freaking minds.
Eh. I still kind of ship Luz with Hunter. The only reason I'm not all in on it is because I'm confident Hunter is going to die.
@@ligtningdog6399 Yeah it’s really pathetic
Always remember that in the story, the female deuteragonist should always be shipped with the worst possible love interest.
Had the bad boy antagonist been distant and/or emotionally manipulative of her? Probably. Should she care? Absolutely not! Even at the point of victory, she should never ACTUALLY defeat the bad boy antagonist because she loved him so much to leave herself vulnerable. Beating the antagonist is the hero's job! Does it completely contradict her character? Eh, whatever. Shipping points are what we need, not a cohesive story nor an actually strong and relatable female character.
Look, okay, it was portrayed as a horribly toxic relationship that both of them would be better if they didn’t get together. Problem is actually getting her to back up and see what exactly he does to her by calling her trash repeatedly (he does that to everybody)
Are we taking about Sakura, or someone else?
Did you just describe Twilight?
@@k9builder I was thinking Sauske and Sakura but they probably meant Twilight
Reylo...
The worst kind of shipping you can do is setting up multiple scenes of two characters having implied romantic interest towards each other only to set them up with completely different characters that they've barely had any screen time with at the last minute
**glares at Digimon 02**
The ending of Harry Potter with many secondary characters.
Speaking of platonic relationships! I will await the day that JP does a video on the nearly omnipresent trope... the Power of Friendship, or fictional friendships in general.
I just love it when the protagonist relies on the power of friendship so much, that their friends are reduced to being mere batteries meant to power the protagonist. Bonus points if the protagonist's friends have absolutely no life of their own outside of the protagonist and has to rely on the protagonist to solve all their personal issues. God forbid that a character is independent and tries to solve things on their own, rather than constantly relying on others. If a character DARES to solve a problem(especially a personal problem) on their own instead of being entirely dependent on the aid of others, have them fail miserably at it until the protagonist(or other characters) conveniently show up to help them through it. While doing this, be sure to beat the audience over the head about how good friends are and how you should always rely on them to get through things
Edit: Let's not forget characters who lack friends and are thus incapable of abusi- I mean using the power of friendship. It is imperative that you always make them tragic jerk loners... because we all know that people lacking friends are massive jerks who are obviously suffering from some tragic backstory that you must resolve. The protagonist(or characters) must go out of their way to befriend them, no matter how much the loner treats them with scorn and rejects their friendship.
So is Sofia The First that bad?
I came up with a manga script about a superhero who actually has the Power of Friendship as a flashy ability. However, he is secretly a manipulative jerk who likes to show it off
And let’s not forget that if you have a toxic friend, you MUST stay with them because the power of friendship always wins, even if you feel horrible about yourself when you are with them. I swear, if children’s media showed the main character cutting out a toxic person in their life without it being a “oh that person is just misunderstood.” Or “oh it’s your fault your getting abused because you weren’t a good friend.” I would be in a much better place and would have cut out toxic people sooner.
Eh.
@@solus1247 You should check out Kamome Tsurubami from Medaka Box then, he is the type of guy who supports all those he considers friends, yet also enjoys being a loner and do his own things.
7:59 "Hinata and Sakura both tragically died in a 'who is the most useless' contest". That's great. I love it. It's just so...I don't know. Exactly the kind of thing someone in real life would write in a fanfiction. 😂
Sakura is not useless tho
@@pinkmockingjay88 Nice cope
@@TheDiscoGenre Its just facts. There wouldn't be Boruto without her
@@pinkmockingjay88 And that's a good thing?
@@lewisdelamare2831 Yeah. Ppl gotta wake up and realize that their precious Mc and loads of characters would be dead if it wasnt for her but too bad they're still in the "Sakura is useless " phase
This endless online debate is why I only support the most patrician and intellectual ships, like Crookshanks x Mrs. Norris.
I have just discovered my new favorite (and only) ship.
TARDIS x Magic School Bus forever.
Those names sound familiar.
What are they from.
@@somethingclever4297 Crookshanks & Mrs. Norris are cats from Harry Potter.
@@nataliebell6760 dammit and I thought it was something else
God this video speaks so much to me....its been almost 20 years and the fandom is STILL arguing over ships in ATLA and cannot seem to shut the f*ck up about it. If the fandom isn't arguing over ships , its arguing over Azula and a single post can create a massive debate/argument on reddit.
"Is Azula actually misunder-"
*BANG*
"Nooooo Azula is just a bad cha-"
*BANG BANG*
-Zutoph-
Fan theory: Korrasami sank the series for Nickelodeon. Can’t have LGBT relationships in kids’ cartoon.
@@GrndAdmiralThrawn That relationship was literally 10 seconds at the end of the last episode. The series sucked long before that.
@@Hypogean7 I just mean that was why it was canceled.
Never forget the time a Steven Universe fan-artist was given cookies with needles that pierced their tongue over a goddamn ship
It was undertale fan artist
Oh jeez. When did that happen??
@@TheHydrakeHydraThere was an artist who either drew Soriel (Sans the funny bone man shipped with the former queen of the underground) or Frans (funny bone man shipped with a literal child) who went to a convention and got a cookie with needles in it from someone who hated the ship. Had to go to the hospital, I think
@@messiyer13 I did find out about, but thanks anyways and… damn.
To be honest, it's an Undertale artist who did it.
Now I actually want a book called "the platonic crime solving duo... who are blood related"
And they spend the whole first book to finally realize that they are blood related.
(And then in the final book, it's revealed that they are not in fact related... and then an orgy breaks loose, to appease the shippers...)
@@supermysterious66 but I don't want the last part, but the first book having them find out they're blood related is a good plot
Sound like a Light Nivel title lol
yeah thats not gonna stop them...
On it.
9:15 "I'm afraid we have to be lovers, that's the only kind of relationship emotionally stunted shippers can imagine."
That line. *Chef's kiss*. Heaven forbid two characters be in a relationship not driven by a desire to rub reproductive organs together.
It's quite worrying that shippers think that unless you want to have sex with, date or marry someone you don't care about them in any way.
I guess it depends. I don’t really see shipping 2 characters as meaning you aren’t capable of enjoying their relationship as friendship or as rivalry, I think it just means you would also enjoy it in a romantic context. But I see that some people can get obsessive about it.
People often underestimate and overlook the sheer thematic and emotional power that platonic relationship can have in a story over a romantic one, a sense of brotherhood, sisterhood, or siblinghood between 2 or more characters coming from different backgrounds that learn to care about eachother in a way that not based on trying to get in their pants, which in my opinion definitely beats out a romantic endgame
While I’m not saying that every character relationships have to end in a platonic way, in my opinion platonic relationships have a special kind of love and care that romantic doesn’t have
I made an OC who has a crush on a canon character and I only ship them platonically because I HC the canon character to not be interested in romantic relationships whatsoever, which is also why I ship the canon character with no one romantically, not even other people’s OCs.
Hmm, someone is a traumatized veteran of the great Avatar Shipping War.
That being said, shipping can be a lot of fun, as long as you keep the following ground rules in mind:
1. Don't be a jerk to others if you disagree with their ships. You can have endless nerdy debates about the ships, but attacking someone over their preferred ship is just rude.
2. The best way to disagree with a creator's shipping decision is to make good fanfiction/fan art show casing why your ship is compelling, not attacking the creator and writing long "think" pieces about how the creator is the worst.
3. Don't ship real people. It's creepy. Real people start and end romantic relationships for many reasons, most of which you are not privy to. Their lives are not yours to play make belief with.
I agree to these points. I like shipping, I don't do it often because characters need to have something special to really get to me (and I don't have the best fantasy to fill in the gaps tbh), but it's fun to see as long as it's in a friendly and level-headed manner. It could be just like any other hobby.
Unfortunately I think people just get actually super hormonal over ships and that's why they become so angry. Projection is one hell of a drug, and so is romance.
Edit: I do have a few ships that I like a lot though, don't get me wrong.
Excellent rules! Yes!
“Don’t ship real people”
Marriage rates drop to 0%!
@@emblemblade9245 Ok, how about "Don't ship real people unless you're one of the parties involved"? And probably "*and when the other party consents" (depending on whether 'shipping' means just having a crush or actually trying to be with them).
What about cursed ships? There's bound to be Blood-Related Person x Blood-Related Person sh*t going SOMEWHERE. That's not even considering the "gray area" ships where their relationship(family-wise) is unclear or up to interpretation.
I'm looking at YOU, Undertale fandom.
(I'm sad I ship a ship that's in the gray area. Don't ask what it is.)
The most beautiful form of shipping is when the soulless corporation decides to give in to the demands of deranged teenagers and make the girl magically fall in love with the man who tried to kill her the whole time. (I'm looking at you, Reylo shippers...)
I heard that some of the Reylo fans actually wanted Adam Driver & Daisy Ridley to get together IRL. To the point of wanting them to break up Adam's marriage. I know its just words on the internet but come on, people! What is wrong with you?
Ewww.
Nope… I realized that it would inevitably end up that way during _The Last Jedi_ when I realized-they were obsessed with each other. And of course, in this world, the only natural next step from obsession is romance. 😒
During _Force Awakens,_ I thought Rey/Finn was nice, and then they turned Finn into a useless character and made it clear it wouldn’t happen. So now, the only ship I have is Han/Leia.
@@cameronspencer9619 What a nice thing from Disney that their white female character shows interest into a poc character just so said poc character turns into a bland misrepresentation of what it used to be and then here he comes the rich, white, buffed dude to save the ship from sinking.
I can one up that.
Odd1sout and Jaden animations
You forgot to mention the “calling another other ship you don’t like toxic” drama
Bonus points, if the ship you support is even more toxic.
Example: "I hate the Naruhina, because I consider that she is too co-dependent on him and submissive, on the other hand, I support the Narusasu, where Naruto acts like an obsessive and co-dependent person on a guy who has tried to kill him"
Jokes aside tho, I've seen atleast 2 times where the reveal of characters being related absolutely destroyed shippers and it was so satisfying because both times I hated the ships
What ships and fandom?
@@TheCoolCryptidI guess we'll never know
@@welwitschia3756Maybe they were a Han x Leía shipper?
Examples I can think of are Leia, and a certain duck girl who turned out to be a clone.
@@CCLOSPINA oh yeah. I’m glad I never shipped her with anyone haha
I've only had one piece of fiction where I was like: "I want these two together!" and normally don't care what couples get together. But now I see how weird the crazier side of shipping can get and feel like I've dodge a bullet. Or rather prevent myself from making myself the bullet.
Also the sponsorship wars narrative is now getting really entertaining.
could i ask what that one piece of fiction was and what the pairing was?
@@armageddongirl612 Aperently all it took is a fictional rabbit and fox to have an ambigous range from best friends to romantic interest by the end for me to squeal hoping that one end of the spectrum is true.
I'll leave it at that for now.
@@PantherCat64 oh no
@@armageddongirl612 yes... fear me. I've survived the furry onslaught and back again and came back with only one emotional scar. My powers are unmatched to many. I'm not the most powerful, but like... somewhere top 20? either way, fear me!
There are plenty of nice, emotionally mature "shippers". It's simply a way to enjoy media. Don't let the loud minority keep you from enjoying stuff:)