Odin almost perfectly suits the character of Satan and perhaps a mafia boss, and not the kind commonly portrayed in society, he is soft, kind, charismatic, and appeals to your faculties of reason, emotion and curiosity. I mean if you didn't know who Odin really is behind the scene, or even pick up his undertone and slight passive aggressiveness, which can be hard by the way, you would happily follow him until you mess up.
@@goldenbrandon1716 he's a little of everything, a good manipulator changes his tactics for the person he tries to manipulate. For Atreus, he was charismatic, nice, grandfatherly. Try being that for Thor, Thor was abused and put down by Odin.
He labelled it as God of War series but he is mixing up with actual Norse Mythology. In GoW ver. Odin didn't lose his eyes in Mimir's well, he lost it from peeking into the green tear. Also, its never clear that Tyr or Heimdall is Odin's son; maybe Tyr but Heimdall is presented as more of his 'lapdog'. He is essentially misrepresenting, man..
I love how the first time we see him outside of the house, he looks so menacing and cements himself as the biggest boss in the series but when he steps inside, he looks frail and harmless. Goes to show you how lighting alone can tell a story without the use of words.
Undoubtedly the most well written and genuine villain in the Norse games....I like how he was always a manipulating knowledge seeker who would kill anyone and anything to find out what happens next....my personal fav villain along with baldur from gow2018.
Just finished the main story... been waiting to watch this. Freya is probably my favorite character outside of kratos... but Odin is not far behind. Even with everything we knew about him prior.... he had me sunk in along with atreus
I'm honestly disappointed they didn't give the opportunity to look in the rift, so much building up to it and the mask itself... it was deflating. What would have happened if Atreus wore the mask? Would he turn into a reality breaking slapstick caricature(like the Mask movie and comics)? What would have the rift revealed?
You don't always need to he spoon-fed every answer or not always at the moment/ 1 particular game, episode or film if it's a series. For the minute, use your imagination, that crack can be anything you want it to be at this point. Or it's possible/ even probable that this will be a story thread they pick back up in a future game to be resolved. Hell that's the kind of story thread you don't resolve until the very end of a franchise.
That is true, I am not certain if the mask of what lies within the rift was mentioned after Odin dies. Perhaps there will be explanation in a future game.
I think that was the whole point of the story. To forge your own path instead of relying on knowing what will happen. It's the same reason why faye hid the panel of them being victorious. We should not overlook storytelling over lore that just fills wiki articles
@@Tribrid-zv3nq Well yeah i see you totaly dont care hehe lolz... anyway why would you think that im looking for a argument ? Because i told the truth ? Are you saying that GOW 3 Zeus dosent bodie them both at the same time ? A stronger younger and better armed with better powers and weapons Kratos could not beat Zeus and had to travel back in time to kill him... and this weaker version of Kratos bodied both Odin and Thor sooo yeah....
Mythology-wise, it’s a big challenge. Need to research about Ra though, and how powerful he is compared to the other two, but in the mythology, Zeus and Odin are equal in terms of power, with Zeus NARROWLY WINNING against Odin. GOW-wise, Zeus stomps Odin in the same high-diff battle. We haven’t seen Ra in the GOW games yet as of the moment.
I gotta say I love the Game, but Odin was not as Cunning and slick as I expected him to be. I expected him to keep it seven steps ahead of the Game so to speak.
Think of it like Odin being Batman and Zeus being Superman. Sure the latter's more powerful and has feats where he slams Gods into the Sun, but give Batman prep time? He'll take down your entire empire. Odin's a more insidious villain because he acted like Tyr perfectly and tricked everyone with his hero's journey. If Brokkr wasn't there, they would've done exactly what Odin wanted. Willingly. He almost tricked the Ghost of Sparta, the genocidal killer of gods, the last Greek God, into being a "sacrifice" for his knowledge. That's something Zeus could've never done because he was too overt with his manipulation. Remember, the best criminals in life are the ones who were never found out.
@@GothaBillsAndDeath not to mention he's been watching and learning of the team's plan the entire game. He disguised himself as a dwarf, a dark elf and always had his raven around to keep one step ahead of everyone.
Wait you say odin clawed his eye out in because of the well of knowledge but in the game dont they say he lost the eye when he tried to look into the rift? Or was that perhaps one of his lies?
Didn't see the twist coming from Odin shit hit me like a ton of bricks My buddy showed me something interesting though when you have subtitles on and he talks very subtle and if you do notice you'll likely forget soon after
I hated the plot twist reveal, it didn't make sense at all to me as Odin would also need to have ability to be in multiple places at the same time. While we saw Atreus in Asgard chilling with Odin, there was Tyr hanging out with like 3 other people in Sindri's house, it kinda ruined that for me.
The signs were there.... Tyr's early dialogue, the game mentions how comfortable he was in the broom closet, atreus walking with Odin while he's running "errands" to show you how quickly he can travel around the realm. The cutscene was a little sloppy tho
He might have been lying about the eye, but I think he wasn’t about looking into it without the mask. It might cost Atreus an eye or worse if he really did try to look into the tear.
Isn't this lovely One believing Odin story and one Believing Mimir's. I do believe Mimir more cause Odin could have just told the boy that so he won't sneak down here and possibly sneak the answers away from him, just in case the boy did not need the mask to look inside.
Bruh ymir scales to all the primordials at once in the Greek pantheon. That’s s crazy. Even crazier that Odin easily scales to him and Kratos freya and Atreus struggle against him
Your narrative does not sound natural. It sounds like you're recording every four words, then playing them until you say the last word, then saying another small phrase. This has become a popular trend amongst gaming commentators on TH-cam. Hard for me to subscribe if you're just in it for the business.
I mean I really tried to like this sequel but it's just not giving it for me especially with the depictions of Thor and Odin I was just disappointed it felt like they got lazy really it just didn't give me what I would have expected from Thor and Odin and before anybody be like oh you're just expecting the MCU no not really I'm expecting a little bit more Grand gesture of Thor and olden kind of like how we saw Zeus and the other gods in the original God of War games I want to see something like that and I just didn't get that vibe I got like oh this little crafty skinny guy that really was okay but I never really felt like he was a threat honestly him nor Thor and that's the problem.
Norse gods are more human because the source material featured more conflicts and bloodfeuds between families. Scandinavian gods depicted in the Prose Edda are "mortal" insofar as they are depicted as dying more often and relinquishing their titles and honorifics to their next-in-line. While Greek Gods (the most well-known at least) among the pantheon were depicted as immortal and everlasting. Greek deities ruled forever while Ragnarök is supposed to be the apocalypse for most Gods, definitely all Aesir Gods. Norse Gods reflect the harsh living conditions of the Viking Age where scarcity, winter, and war were common. Greek Gods reflect opulence, elements, and the Mediterranean environment, which was far more plentiful.
Odin was a very good in this game. When I first saw him in game I was little surprised by his appearance and he's mob man godfather like nature. But it works for he's character who's need of answers and knowledge pretty much made him mad and consumed all his life. I loved this game and excited to see what other mythologys and gods are doing next.
I think 90% of players were like “That’s Odin?” But after understanding what the developers were going for, which was to create a snaky, double crossing Odin who seemed like your best friend, I completely love his character.
I thought Brok knowing Tyr was an imposter when he called Atreus, 'Loki', was brilliant. I don't think anyone ever called Atreus that in Tyr's presence. So it would be odd that Tyr called him Loki. This game had awesome storytelling all throughout it
He almost tricked Kratos into going the peaceful route. That's how powerful he is compared to Zeus. Only arrogant gods think they can outpower the literal killing machine that is the main player character. Crafty ones steal someone's entire character arc, masquerade as them, and then almost get away with tricking their entire family to do their bidding. People really underscore just how much Odin gaslights everyone. He's like an evil Batman on steroids: he's not as powerful as others in the Justice League, but give him prep-time he'll destroy your entire operation.
Zeus out power the killing machine kiddo if not for plot armour and Gaia reviving Kratos he is dead for good. Also Zeus in his Astral form managed to defeated Kratos but Kratos tricked him to change to normal.
@@youngspooks yes since Kratos can lose to someone while holding back and not really giving it his all. But we know Kratos>that someone who defeated him/killed him. Like Freya defeated Kratos in this game...she didn't really.
@@thaimperial97 character meaning him being at peace and finally opening up to the world, we will see him again, he is a cash cow for Sony and Santa Monica
22:00 It's funny when you realise how much finding out Groa lied to him and told him a fake prophecy pissed him off. Her doing it so Odin would make it self fulfilling was smart.
Why is no one talking about how this “higher plane” could have something to do with Athena in GOW 3? When she died, didn’t she come back as a specter from a higher plane? Odin also said that a woman came to him in his dream and told him of the mask. Couldn’t this woman be the spectral Athena? This could be part of the bigger overall story and could be expanded on in the next games. Since kratos is no longer a god killer looking for vengeance but is instead a protector, this could be a good reason for his story to continue. If he wants to protect his people, he’ll have to go to other lands and figure out the mystery of this “higher plane”.
Odin did live up to his atrocutries upon players meeting him in God of War 2018. He and Thor both lived up to it but you never knew how evil he was until you actually saw him do his evils first hand.
he lied, mimir tells in the 2018 game that he gave odin a drug that made him alucinate so hard he riped off his own eye, and after he had imprisioned mimir he took one of mimir eyes as revenge for this. its a hint about odins true nature on this game while you almost believe in what he's saying
@@PedroDiogoAzarias yeah, and even in the myths something similar happened. he struck a deal w/ mimir because he wanted to drink from his well of knowledge ( something along those lines ) and mimir asked him for something equally as important, and odin without hesitation ripped his own eye out and gave it to him lol. i'm more inclined to believe mimir as santa monica does like to sorta twist and rewrite the events of the myths to fit their stories. not a bad thing, it's really sick!
I do dislike the turn the 616 character has taken of late, whether true to the myths or not, but here it fits perfectly. Growing up between two extremes of hell, he and his brothers (no real mention of their fates) feel the need to forge a new world, but having done so, feel entitled to it. From there, everything proceeds and if the being who gave them life could be sacrificed and displaced, then no one else is sacrosanct. There is a school of thought that says loyalty in a hierarchy should only flow upwards, but inherent in that is that the subject is granted protection and sustenance. We may compare this Odin to a mob boss, but the primal Mob Boss of all fiction, Vito Corleone, would view him with disdain. "Your power I acknowledge. I would have to be a fool not to. But you are also a fool, Lord Odin. I too have dead and lost children, but not by my choice. Your lands do not prosper under you. You look to masks, and peep-holes for answers, when they are all about you. I had a Kratos, named Luca Brasi. I made him my left hand. I had a volcanic son, named Santino, and he himself was a hammer, till broken by his own heat. You may erase me at your whim, even make people forget me. But you will erase yourself, and people will choose to forget you. You say there is a fated day your enemies will gather against you? My last words to you are this: That day is always coming, and it will come again."
No the ending wasn't really him saying he's above consequences he was just saying he couldn't change that basically his madness is obsession with knowledge was something he could not control actually felt sorry for Odin
Spoiler for the end of God of War: Ragnarok Theory: I am predicting that the green scar..... is connected to the “higher plane of existence” that Athena “Ascended” to after her death in God of War III. A few bits of dialog keyed me into this train of thought. 1st: Odin questioned what sort of afterlife awaited him after his death and looking into the green scar gave him some insight. I believe he was looking into the realm of “higher existence” that Athena occupies (possibly) to this day. (She was defiantly present to pull the sword from Kratos at the end GoW3) 2rd. Odin in the game is the closest match to a God of wisdom much like Athena. I believe had Odin stayed on a virtuous path he would have “Ascended” beyond the green scar to the “higher plan of existence” naturally. However, unlike Athena when Odin was confronted with a glimpse of the realm beyond, he became obsessive and destructive. Odin is an example of the kind of damage a wise person can do with a lack of empathy. As he stated in the fight when Atreus (Loki) destroyed the mask, “Everything I worked for. Everything I killed for….. what was it all for” he justified all the evil acts and manipulation of others as the cost of seeking “truth and knowledge”. Ultimately, (if the theory that Athena ascended because she sacrificed herself for the greater good” this evil obsession would have possibly led to his rejection from “higher existence” (aka the loss of an eye). Minor other points: As it stands there is a plot hole on why the Mask reacted to Garm in Helheim even though no mask fragment was present. If the prediction is that the Green Scar is a tear in existence to a “Higher Plane” my prediction is that Garm was the one who made the tear. Garm’s ability to traverse and tear holes win the realms is second to none. Who knows the scars he ripped open in the world tree before being chained in Helheim. It may even be possible that Gram’s soul may have unintentionally crossed over to the “high existence” leaving his soulless body behind. Mask could be reacting to any number of Gram’s connections to “higher existence”. (Not to mention the game points out the difference between primordial beings and gods much as the original trilogy did) Both Athena and Odin wanted Knowledge in order to rule over the land. Odin lied to himself thinking he could make the 9 realms a better place with what lies beyond the tear and Athena in her “ascended state” stated, “mankind was ready to hear her message and mankind would not know what to do with it (hope)”. In the end, both seemed to have delusions that they were the fittest to rule over all.
I was absolutely loving Odin's first scene, I thought it was epic but they made him less in control than we expected but as to be expected Kratos is terrifying and
The scene where the soldier were returning to Asgard and Odin sent them back to battle showed how selfish and evil he is. He was literally denying them Valhalla!!!!
One thing you forgot to mention besides Odin having the 4 childrens he also had Hodder the Blind God and He is Baldur's twin brother,Ullr The adventurous The God of Hunting and also He is the Thor's Stepson and Odin had it too Njord The God of the Seas and Leader of the Vanir Gods and he is Freyr and Freya's father and Odin also had Bragi the God of art & music married to his wife Idunn the goddess of youth They were all there the day Freyr was burned alive and they exist in this universe only mentioned but have not appeared yet.. as well as Forseti,Hela,Vidar,Vali and finally Hermod The others childrens and Grandchildrens of Odin the all father and also Odin besides having yours crows he also has his wolves and his horse Sleipnir just as Freyr has his boar Gullinbursti and Thor has his goats and There's a new information in the Valhalla dlc about Odin and his relationship with Valhalla and the Valkyrie Make an updated video about his story 🤔😁👍 like and Bye!
Fun fuct: everybody says odin lies every time he says something, this is proved the first time atreus goes to asgard when he goes to look in the gap in the lodge. He says he lost his eye because of that gap, but mimir says in the 2018 game that he offered him knowledge and that he needs to sacrafise his eye, but then he says he always knew that mimir druged him and didnt get any knowledge.
@@Tribrid-zv3nq traditionally, but this Mimir in the GoW universe mentions that he was originally a Fae, making heavy references that make it seem like he was Puck, Jester to Oberon and Titania, King and Queen of the Faeries. It's Celtic/Old English folklore.
He’s so scrawny. The devs team really lost their touch when it comes to character design. Look at the Greek era and look at this. It’s like the new designs were made by low T amateurs.
Odin is exactly the god we needed after the Greek Saga. Zeus was awesome, but making a repeat character would only make a worse Zeus. Zeus is force of nature that is tremendous powerhouse of strength. Odin is a deceitful master tactician whos strength lays in knowledge and intelligence. A master manipulator who makes you and your friends doubt themselves and strike at the perfect timing. Odin fooled everyone in the room and instigated chaos from within without most people questioning it. The only person that noticed "Tyr" being weird was Brok. He lives by gut feeling without questioning it and that approach was the only approach immune to Odin's Deception. Brok was the only one who put a halt to Odin's nearly perfect plan, and its even more poetic that draupnier spear that he blessed was the thing to catch the mask. The only reason why his near perfect getaway fell apart was a dwarf he considered insignificant.
Atreus can actually bring that up to Mimir when travelling. Mimir mentions Odin will lie on principle just because he can get away with it, even if it seems like something not worth lying about.
You labelled it God of War series but I see your mixing up with actual Norse Mythology. In GoW ver. Odin didn't lose his eyes in Mimir's well, he lost it from peeking into the green tear. Also, its never clear that Tyr or Heimdall is Odin's son; maybe Tyr but Heimdall is presented as more of his 'lapdog'. You are essentially misrepresenting, man..
In the game its revealed what Odin told Atreus was bs by Mimir. Og lore stands, just was Odin using manipulation on atreus. Sounds more mystical if the tear pops out his eye and not mimir fucking with him
Odin may be the chief of the Aesir, ever questing for knowledge... I like how Santa Monica explored just how high a body count, and how low a person's sanity, could climb in pursuit of knowledge. It was interesting to see Loki and Odin's "blood brothers" relationship from the myths played out as "fellow scholars, despite their differing intentions". In either case, I remember Odin forgave Loki all his mistakes and dangerous mischief because of the challenges he presented to the All Father, the new ways of thinking and clever plots Loki crafted to get the Aesir out of many dire straits. Asgard's Wall, "Freya's Unusual Wedding", and the creation of Draupnir and Gungnir (among other gifts) are but some of the myths where Loki gets ultimate credit for making sure the Aesir are secure in their rule... only Santa Monica rearranged them a little to showcase the Aesir's predilection for deceit, bloodshed, and belligerence. With Marvel's version of Loki being the one most people think of when they hear "trickster god" or "silver tongued liar", maybe "bringer of death", they forget that all of these titles can/have been applied to Odin mythology. I knew from when he walked into Kratos' house, he was looking for a fight, anticipating the destruction to come, keen to weave elaborate games of deception for players to unravel (or fall into). I knew the Noose with runes on it for EXACTLY what it was when Freya and Kratos found it; it is the reason why Odin is considered a DEATH god, among other kinds of god he is, since he sacrificed himself (to Yggdrasil and to himself) in pursuit of knowledge. This could be seen as either "creative and unusual punishment" or "desperation for knowledge that supersedes any living being"; Santa Monica brought BOTH aspects to their Odin's cruelty. I hate him, I admire him, I knew to NEVER trust him when I first saw him. What a marvelous villain!
The All-Father was nothing more than an All-Manipulative Lying Deceiving Abusing Scheming Piece of Shit that should've suffered more before he died. He officially became one of my most hated characters in video game history for killing Brok alone and making Sindri cry.
Could Kratos defeat odin 1v1? I think not, however Kratos with the weapons of multiple God's pretty much single handedly defeat Zeus. Is Odin stronger than Zeus?
On the Valhalla DLC and now on more inspection on the Atreus and Thor mission Niflheim you see on the murals the story and its actually pretty much like myth, u see the cow, Odin and his brothers , the sword of Surtr. Pretty cool since you are the only one that has dived in the lore for this game .
@@zak1872 yeah another guy mentioned that in the last game mimir tells you a story about how odin lost his eye. I didnt notice right away cause of watching so many scenes but i realized that theres so many things he could lie about and not make it obvious, "if he tells you the snows white, he's lying!".
I really liked how he was portrayed in the game. He was a manipulator through and through, even making me trust him a bit. When I first saw him I was like, “this is Odin?” I thought Odin was weak, which is exactly what he was going for.
At first I hated Odins character design. But after spending some time in the game, he grew on me. While I do enjoy this game, very much, I can't help feeling it could've been better. Just my opinion tho.
Just a theory: What if Fjörgyn died due to the same thing as Faye ( a sickness of sort ) and then giants didn’t want to help her that’s why Thors hatred for the Jotnar is so strong cuz he loved his mother?
Or she trying to stop odin madness and be killed by odin himself (like thor) and manipulate thor to hate other giant. But heyy it just a theory A GAME THEORY
Thor is forced to listen to Odin. Who Odin wants killed, Thor will kill. Who he wants alive, Baldur would find him. Tyr was the one who sought peace with the Jotnar, so Odin imprisoned him. Odin hates giants, and so does Thor.
So many people say that the Greek gods are ways more powerful than the Norse but you have to look at their magic manipulation - Especially with Odin! P.s We definitely need the Egyptian Gods next. It's going to be wicked!
Wow bro. What an amazing, well versed video. You really summarized everything and made it understandable. Appreciate your hard work into this man thank you so much.
Kratos, Freya, and Loki triple-teaming Odin mirrors how he and his brothers did the same to Ymir.
funny thaqt his brothers vanish from history as Odin takes all the credit and is the sole ruler of the Aesir.
@@TheSSBBfan666 i wonder why...
@@PedroApp they either died in the fight, or Odin erased them himself to claim All-Father
“DONT FORGET ABOUT ME ALL FUCKER” -mimir
No it doesn't
Odin almost perfectly suits the character of Satan and perhaps a mafia boss, and not the kind commonly portrayed in society, he is soft, kind, charismatic, and appeals to your faculties of reason, emotion and curiosity. I mean if you didn't know who Odin really is behind the scene, or even pick up his undertone and slight passive aggressiveness, which can be hard by the way, you would happily follow him until you mess up.
I never saw the mafia boss take. He’s more like a ruthless politician
Bro I read your comment at the exact moment a mafia city add was playing
mortals worship and pray to him, and he has to live up to the image of someone who is all-knowing. perfect for that sort of character
@@goldenbrandon1716 he's a little of everything, a good manipulator changes his tactics for the person he tries to manipulate.
For Atreus, he was charismatic, nice, grandfatherly.
Try being that for Thor, Thor was abused and put down by Odin.
He labelled it as God of War series but he is mixing up with actual Norse Mythology.
In GoW ver. Odin didn't lose his eyes in Mimir's well, he lost it from peeking into the green tear. Also, its never clear that Tyr or Heimdall is Odin's son; maybe Tyr but Heimdall is presented as more of his 'lapdog'.
He is essentially misrepresenting, man..
I love how the first time we see him outside of the house, he looks so menacing and cements himself as the biggest boss in the series but when he steps inside, he looks frail and harmless. Goes to show you how lighting alone can tell a story without the use of words.
Undoubtedly the most well written and genuine villain in the Norse games....I like how he was always a manipulating knowledge seeker who would kill anyone and anything to find out what happens next....my personal fav villain along with baldur from gow2018.
Finished the story yesterday.
Amazing game.
I have a hard time believing we could get a better game in the PS5 gen.
It's that good!
Just finished the main story... been waiting to watch this. Freya is probably my favorite character outside of kratos... but Odin is not far behind. Even with everything we knew about him prior.... he had me sunk in along with atreus
I’m a little biased because I’m a big fan of Richard Schiff who played Odin. In any case, Odin was just as I thought and more.
I'm honestly disappointed they didn't give the opportunity to look in the rift, so much building up to it and the mask itself... it was deflating. What would have happened if Atreus wore the mask? Would he turn into a reality breaking slapstick caricature(like the Mask movie and comics)? What would have the rift revealed?
You don't always need to he spoon-fed every answer or not always at the moment/ 1 particular game, episode or film if it's a series. For the minute, use your imagination, that crack can be anything you want it to be at this point. Or it's possible/ even probable that this will be a story thread they pick back up in a future game to be resolved. Hell that's the kind of story thread you don't resolve until the very end of a franchise.
it could probably tie in to the next game though even if it doesn't it doesn't really matter.
@@Zer0Fox_gibbon you can lose the condescending tone, most likely this is something that won't even be brought up again.
That is true, I am not certain if the mask of what lies within the rift was mentioned after Odin dies. Perhaps there will be explanation in a future game.
I think that was the whole point of the story. To forge your own path instead of relying on knowing what will happen. It's the same reason why faye hid the panel of them being victorious.
We should not overlook storytelling over lore that just fills wiki articles
I would like to see a battle of Zeus, Odin and Ra
Battle Royal with Top Gods.
Zeus from GoW 3 bodies Odin and Thor from GoW 5 at the same time
@@Tribrid-zv3nq Well yeah i see you totaly dont care hehe lolz... anyway why would you think that im looking for a argument ? Because i told the truth ? Are you saying that GOW 3 Zeus dosent bodie them both at the same time ? A stronger younger and better armed with better powers and weapons Kratos could not beat Zeus and had to travel back in time to kill him... and this weaker version of Kratos bodied both Odin and Thor sooo yeah....
Mythology-wise, it’s a big challenge. Need to research about Ra though, and how powerful he is compared to the other two, but in the mythology, Zeus and Odin are equal in terms of power, with Zeus NARROWLY WINNING against Odin.
GOW-wise, Zeus stomps Odin in the same high-diff battle. We haven’t seen Ra in the GOW games yet as of the moment.
@@Tribrid-zv3nq Indeed.
15:35 Unlike Baldur Odin would have deserved the sense depriving suffering that spell caused.
Anyone know the beginning intro music?
I think that mask and tear has something to do with whatever plain Athena is on now
Do the Story of Sindri next please
Great video 📹
I gotta say I love the Game, but Odin was not as Cunning and slick as I expected him to be. I expected him to keep it seven steps ahead of the Game so to speak.
Yeah, his character was interesting but i wish we would have seen more of his powers.
Think of it like Odin being Batman and Zeus being Superman. Sure the latter's more powerful and has feats where he slams Gods into the Sun, but give Batman prep time? He'll take down your entire empire. Odin's a more insidious villain because he acted like Tyr perfectly and tricked everyone with his hero's journey. If Brokkr wasn't there, they would've done exactly what Odin wanted. Willingly. He almost tricked the Ghost of Sparta, the genocidal killer of gods, the last Greek God, into being a "sacrifice" for his knowledge. That's something Zeus could've never done because he was too overt with his manipulation. Remember, the best criminals in life are the ones who were never found out.
@@GothaBillsAndDeath not to mention he's been watching and learning of the team's plan the entire game. He disguised himself as a dwarf, a dark elf and always had his raven around to keep one step ahead of everyone.
Wait you say odin clawed his eye out in because of the well of knowledge but in the game dont they say he lost the eye when he tried to look into the rift? Or was that perhaps one of his lies?
Didn't see the twist coming from Odin shit hit me like a ton of bricks
My buddy showed me something interesting though when you have subtitles on and he talks very subtle and if you do notice you'll likely forget soon after
Very interested in a history of tyr video and his times in other lands
History of Thor !!
Damn, Odin in the games was much like Joseph Stalin
I thought in Ragnarok Odin implied that he went blind in that eye by peering into the rift without the mask on.
he lied
I hated the plot twist reveal, it didn't make sense at all to me as Odin would also need to have ability to be in multiple places at the same time. While we saw Atreus in Asgard chilling with Odin, there was Tyr hanging out with like 3 other people in Sindri's house, it kinda ruined that for me.
The signs were there.... Tyr's early dialogue, the game mentions how comfortable he was in the broom closet, atreus walking with Odin while he's running "errands" to show you how quickly he can travel around the realm. The cutscene was a little sloppy tho
This Odin really is evil. Like pure evil. Pure concentrated evil. Going crazy or not
What happened to odins other brothers
just a heads up, odin didn't lose his eye to mimir's fountain, but rather to the reality tear.
Nah, Odin was lying about how he lost his eye. Atreus asks Mimir about this in the game.
He might have been lying about the eye, but I think he wasn’t about looking into it without the mask. It might cost Atreus an eye or worse if he really did try to look into the tear.
Isn't this lovely One believing Odin story and one Believing Mimir's. I do believe Mimir more cause Odin could have just told the boy that so he won't sneak down here and possibly sneak the answers away from him, just in case the boy did not need the mask to look inside.
Wish atreus took a peak
Are you serious?! 1:41 why?!
Imagine zeus and kratos vs norse 💀
Rip Zeus then but Kratos might survive
odin is literally just hades from hercules lol
Bruh ymir scales to all the primordials at once in the Greek pantheon. That’s s crazy. Even crazier that Odin easily scales to him and Kratos freya and Atreus struggle against him
Odin is a neo liberal
Your narrative does not sound natural. It sounds like you're recording every four words, then playing them until you say the last word, then saying another small phrase. This has become a popular trend amongst gaming commentators on TH-cam. Hard for me to subscribe if you're just in it for the business.
I mean I really tried to like this sequel but it's just not giving it for me especially with the depictions of Thor and Odin I was just disappointed it felt like they got lazy really it just didn't give me what I would have expected from Thor and Odin and before anybody be like oh you're just expecting the MCU no not really I'm expecting a little bit more Grand gesture of Thor and olden kind of like how we saw Zeus and the other gods in the original God of War games I want to see something like that and I just didn't get that vibe I got like oh this little crafty skinny guy that really was okay but I never really felt like he was a threat honestly him nor Thor and that's the problem.
I agree . What A letdown
Norse gods are more human because the source material featured more conflicts and bloodfeuds between families. Scandinavian gods depicted in the Prose Edda are "mortal" insofar as they are depicted as dying more often and relinquishing their titles and honorifics to their next-in-line. While Greek Gods (the most well-known at least) among the pantheon were depicted as immortal and everlasting. Greek deities ruled forever while Ragnarök is supposed to be the apocalypse for most Gods, definitely all Aesir Gods. Norse Gods reflect the harsh living conditions of the Viking Age where scarcity, winter, and war were common. Greek Gods reflect opulence, elements, and the Mediterranean environment, which was far more plentiful.
Loved how Odin and Thor weren’t just generic villains they had good character and story.
Odin was a very good in this game. When I first saw him in game I was little surprised by his appearance and he's mob man godfather like nature. But it works for he's character who's need of answers and knowledge pretty much made him mad and consumed all his life. I loved this game and excited to see what other mythologys and gods are doing next.
I think 90% of players were like “That’s Odin?” But after understanding what the developers were going for, which was to create a snaky, double crossing Odin who seemed like your best friend, I completely love his character.
@@ewjiml He’s also supposed to be a frail old man according to mythology
I thought Brok knowing Tyr was an imposter when he called Atreus, 'Loki', was brilliant. I don't think anyone ever called Atreus that in Tyr's presence. So it would be odd that Tyr called him Loki. This game had awesome storytelling all throughout it
correct me if I am wrong but didnt atreus tell him that he was called loki by the giants?
@@petrospago3515 indeed
He almost tricked Kratos into going the peaceful route. That's how powerful he is compared to Zeus. Only arrogant gods think they can outpower the literal killing machine that is the main player character. Crafty ones steal someone's entire character arc, masquerade as them, and then almost get away with tricking their entire family to do their bidding. People really underscore just how much Odin gaslights everyone. He's like an evil Batman on steroids: he's not as powerful as others in the Justice League, but give him prep-time he'll destroy your entire operation.
Batman? Bro don't be an idiot
Zeus out power the killing machine kiddo if not for plot armour and Gaia reviving Kratos he is dead for good. Also Zeus in his Astral form managed to defeated Kratos but Kratos tricked him to change to normal.
@@altair227 does any of that matter if he's still dead and kratos lives?
@@youngspooks yes since Kratos can lose to someone while holding back and not really giving it his all. But we know Kratos>that someone who defeated him/killed him.
Like Freya defeated Kratos in this game...she didn't really.
@@altair227 if Atreus wasn’t born freya would be dead along with her son
I absolutely loved the game, finished it twice and when ng+ comes out I will crush it again, they did well to finish Kratos’s character
You think they're actually done with Kratos? Idk about that one
Hopefully we'll get ng+ in this game and I finish the game twice too.
@@thaimperial97 character meaning him being at peace and finally opening up to the world, we will see him again, he is a cash cow for Sony and Santa Monica
@@RetroVideoGamer23 oh ok gotcha.. because he's definitely a cash cow for SMS
Kratos story is not over. If anything Atreus story is over.
22:00 It's funny when you realise how much finding out Groa lied to him and told him a fake prophecy pissed him off. Her doing it so Odin would make it self fulfilling was smart.
Why is no one talking about how this “higher plane” could have something to do with Athena in GOW 3? When she died, didn’t she come back as a specter from a higher plane? Odin also said that a woman came to him in his dream and told him of the mask. Couldn’t this woman be the spectral Athena? This could be part of the bigger overall story and could be expanded on in the next games. Since kratos is no longer a god killer looking for vengeance but is instead a protector, this could be a good reason for his story to continue. If he wants to protect his people, he’ll have to go to other lands and figure out the mystery of this “higher plane”.
Odin did live up to his atrocutries upon players meeting him in God of War 2018. He and Thor both lived up to it but you never knew how evil he was until you actually saw him do his evils first hand.
Im confused. Didn't Odin say that he lost his eye because he tried to look through the tear?
He probably lied. They literally say in the game that Odin will do anything to get his way.
he lied, mimir tells in the 2018 game that he gave odin a drug that made him alucinate so hard he riped off his own eye, and after he had imprisioned mimir he took one of mimir eyes as revenge for this. its a hint about odins true nature on this game while you almost believe in what he's saying
@@PedroDiogoAzarias yeah, and even in the myths something similar happened. he struck a deal w/ mimir because he wanted to drink from his well of knowledge ( something along those lines ) and mimir asked him for something equally as important, and odin without hesitation ripped his own eye out and gave it to him lol. i'm more inclined to believe mimir as santa monica does like to sorta twist and rewrite the events of the myths to fit their stories. not a bad thing, it's really sick!
@@xylynthian753 highly possible this man has been lying throughout the entire game.
"If he were to say snow is white his lying"
@@PedroDiogoAzarias If you are convinced easily youll believe in what he says but you can worl through his dialogues and figure out he is BS.
I do dislike the turn the 616 character has taken of late, whether true to the myths or not, but here it fits perfectly. Growing up between two extremes of hell, he and his brothers (no real mention of their fates) feel the need to forge a new world, but having done so, feel entitled to it. From there, everything proceeds and if the being who gave them life could be sacrificed and displaced, then no one else is sacrosanct. There is a school of thought that says loyalty in a hierarchy should only flow upwards, but inherent in that is that the subject is granted protection and sustenance. We may compare this Odin to a mob boss, but the primal Mob Boss of all fiction, Vito Corleone, would view him with disdain.
"Your power I acknowledge. I would have to be a fool not to. But you are also a fool, Lord Odin. I too have dead and lost children, but not by my choice. Your lands do not prosper under you. You look to masks, and peep-holes for answers, when they are all about you. I had a Kratos, named Luca Brasi. I made him my left hand. I had a volcanic son, named Santino, and he himself was a hammer, till broken by his own heat. You may erase me at your whim, even make people forget me. But you will erase yourself, and people will choose to forget you. You say there is a fated day your enemies will gather against you? My last words to you are this: That day is always coming, and it will come again."
No the ending wasn't really him saying he's above consequences he was just saying he couldn't change that basically his madness is obsession with knowledge was something he could not control actually felt sorry for Odin
Spoiler for the end of God of War: Ragnarok
Theory: I am predicting that the green scar.....
is connected to the “higher plane of existence” that Athena “Ascended” to after her death in God of War III. A few bits of dialog keyed me into this train of thought.
1st: Odin questioned what sort of afterlife awaited him after his death and looking into the green scar gave him some insight. I believe he was looking into the realm of “higher existence” that Athena occupies (possibly) to this day. (She was defiantly present to pull the sword from Kratos at the end GoW3)
2rd. Odin in the game is the closest match to a God of wisdom much like Athena. I believe had Odin stayed on a virtuous path he would have “Ascended” beyond the green scar to the “higher plan of existence” naturally. However, unlike Athena when Odin was confronted with a glimpse of the realm beyond, he became obsessive and destructive.
Odin is an example of the kind of damage a wise person can do with a lack of empathy. As he stated in the fight when Atreus (Loki) destroyed the mask, “Everything I worked for. Everything I killed for….. what was it all for” he justified all the evil acts and manipulation of others as the cost of seeking “truth and knowledge”. Ultimately, (if the theory that Athena ascended because she sacrificed herself for the greater good” this evil obsession would have possibly led to his rejection from “higher existence” (aka the loss of an eye).
Minor other points:
As it stands there is a plot hole on why the Mask reacted to Garm in Helheim even though no mask fragment was present. If the prediction is that the Green Scar is a tear in existence to a “Higher Plane” my prediction is that Garm was the one who made the tear. Garm’s ability to traverse and tear holes win the realms is second to none. Who knows the scars he ripped open in the world tree before being chained in Helheim. It may even be possible that Gram’s soul may have unintentionally crossed over to the “high existence” leaving his soulless body behind. Mask could be reacting to any number of Gram’s connections to “higher existence”. (Not to mention the game points out the difference between primordial beings and gods much as the original trilogy did)
Both Athena and Odin wanted Knowledge in order to rule over the land. Odin lied to himself thinking he could make the 9 realms a better place with what lies beyond the tear and Athena in her “ascended state” stated, “mankind was ready to hear her message and mankind would not know what to do with it (hope)”. In the end, both seemed to have delusions that they were the fittest to rule over all.
It's funny because they made Odin more like Loki than even Loki
Which is accurate, since hermes was synchronized with odin instead of loki
@@Auricalios hmm?
I was absolutely loving Odin's first scene, I thought it was epic but they made him less in control than we expected but as to be expected Kratos is terrifying and
Odin Corleone
The scene where the soldier were returning to Asgard and Odin sent them back to battle showed how selfish and evil he is. He was literally denying them Valhalla!!!!
If it's a gateway to a higher power what if Santa Monica for shits and giggles said Odin was hearing the voice of the devs.
I wonder what my life would be like if I used everyone as a stepping stone, a means to an end.
Pandora's box corrupted The Greek Pantheons. Zeus got jealous and became an evil for it. Odin was evil, ruthless, manipulative without anything.
Zeus is stronger than Odin but Odin is much smarter
What I don’t understand is how the Greek creation myth meshes with the Nordic creation myth in god of war. Are these different dimensions?
Now I can imagine if Odin ever met Zeus. I wonder how the conversation would go.
Zeus wood probably beat Odin
@@Tribrid-zv3nq he asked how it would go, and he replied with a beating
What’s the problem here? Douchebag
@@Tribrid-zv3nq it's not that serious
@@Tribrid-zv3nq I think he ment that Zeus probably wouldn't let Odin come into Greece
Zeus will humiliate him in a war of words.
One thing you forgot to mention besides Odin having the 4 childrens he also had Hodder the Blind God and He is Baldur's twin brother,Ullr The adventurous The God of Hunting and also He is the Thor's Stepson and Odin had it too Njord The God of the Seas and Leader of the Vanir Gods and he is Freyr and Freya's father and Odin also had Bragi the God of art & music married to his wife Idunn the goddess of youth They were all there the day Freyr was burned alive and they exist in this universe only mentioned but have not appeared yet.. as well as Forseti,Hela,Vidar,Vali and finally Hermod The others childrens and Grandchildrens of Odin the all father
and also Odin besides having yours crows he also has his wolves and his horse Sleipnir just as Freyr has his boar Gullinbursti and Thor has his goats and There's a new information in the Valhalla dlc about Odin and his relationship with Valhalla and the Valkyrie Make an updated video about his story 🤔😁👍 like and Bye!
Fun fuct: everybody says odin lies every time he says something, this is proved the first time atreus goes to asgard when he goes to look in the gap in the lodge. He says he lost his eye because of that gap, but mimir says in the 2018 game that he offered him knowledge and that he needs to sacrafise his eye, but then he says he always knew that mimir druged him and didnt get any knowledge.
Which Mythology should the next God of War take place after God of War Ragnarok for me Egyptian Mythology Japanese Mythology or Chinese Mythology
Celtic mythology which is where Mimir is from - creates a motivation for Kratos to leave the Norselands
@@Tribrid-zv3nq traditionally, but this Mimir in the GoW universe mentions that he was originally a Fae, making heavy references that make it seem like he was Puck, Jester to Oberon and Titania, King and Queen of the Faeries. It's Celtic/Old English folklore.
Hammers don't rip and tear. They crush and pulverize
He’s so scrawny.
The devs team really lost their touch when it comes to character design.
Look at the Greek era and look at this. It’s like the new designs were made by low T amateurs.
It’s Odin what did you expect MCU Odin or GOW3 Zeus?
Yes this is what I wanted
I love Odin as a true supervillain! The best ones are nice & kind in 1st glance but when you actually Look at him……😳 WOW 🤔. What a Dick 😂
I truly hate what they did with sindri. I really didn’t like his ending story line.
GOW Ragnarok was great. Even though they’re a lot of plot holes,Atreaus/Loki stole the show.
What ever happened to Odins brothers in the god of war universe cause there never brought up?
Odin is exactly the god we needed after the Greek Saga. Zeus was awesome, but making a repeat character would only make a worse Zeus. Zeus is force of nature that is tremendous powerhouse of strength. Odin is a deceitful master tactician whos strength lays in knowledge and intelligence. A master manipulator who makes you and your friends doubt themselves and strike at the perfect timing. Odin fooled everyone in the room and instigated chaos from within without most people questioning it. The only person that noticed "Tyr" being weird was Brok. He lives by gut feeling without questioning it and that approach was the only approach immune to Odin's Deception. Brok was the only one who put a halt to Odin's nearly perfect plan, and its even more poetic that draupnier spear that he blessed was the thing to catch the mask. The only reason why his near perfect getaway fell apart was a dwarf he considered insignificant.
Odin is such a complete and utter monster that I am glad we were able to take him down.
@@Tribrid-zv3nq indeed both Zeus and odin were monsters yes but like you said Odin was far worst then Zeus.
@@Tribrid-zv3nq ah gotcha and that's okay man and honestly your not exactly wrong about that.
7:16 Odin doing that is right out of Zeus's playbook since he couldn't take rejection either.
That realm tear Odin is obsessed with is about us
Odin might be the best villain in this series surpassing Ares and even Zeus in villainy
But it’s true what they say: “What you see isn’t always what you get”
The whole thing with the well got retconned apparently cause in ragnarok Odin apparently lost his eye from trying to look into the crack
Atreus can actually bring that up to Mimir when travelling. Mimir mentions Odin will lie on principle just because he can get away with it, even if it seems like something not worth lying about.
@@Prince__Teclis I dunno why he would prevent him from looking in the crack if it wasn't dangerous....unless he didn't want to risk it
@keybladegames_real Never said the crack wasn't dangerous. But it being dangerous doesn't mean it's why Odin lost an eye.
It would have been cooler to have seen him devoured by Fenrir..
You labelled it God of War series but I see your mixing up with actual Norse Mythology.
In GoW ver. Odin didn't lose his eyes in Mimir's well, he lost it from peeking into the green tear. Also, its never clear that Tyr or Heimdall is Odin's son; maybe Tyr but Heimdall is presented as more of his 'lapdog'.
You are essentially misrepresenting, man..
In the game its revealed what Odin told Atreus was bs by Mimir. Og lore stands, just was Odin using manipulation on atreus. Sounds more mystical if the tear pops out his eye and not mimir fucking with him
I would like to see GOW's Odin vs Fire God Liu Kang
Odin may be the chief of the Aesir, ever questing for knowledge... I like how Santa Monica explored just how high a body count, and how low a person's sanity, could climb in pursuit of knowledge. It was interesting to see Loki and Odin's "blood brothers" relationship from the myths played out as "fellow scholars, despite their differing intentions". In either case, I remember Odin forgave Loki all his mistakes and dangerous mischief because of the challenges he presented to the All Father, the new ways of thinking and clever plots Loki crafted to get the Aesir out of many dire straits. Asgard's Wall, "Freya's Unusual Wedding", and the creation of Draupnir and Gungnir (among other gifts) are but some of the myths where Loki gets ultimate credit for making sure the Aesir are secure in their rule... only Santa Monica rearranged them a little to showcase the Aesir's predilection for deceit, bloodshed, and belligerence.
With Marvel's version of Loki being the one most people think of when they hear "trickster god" or "silver tongued liar", maybe "bringer of death", they forget that all of these titles can/have been applied to Odin mythology. I knew from when he walked into Kratos' house, he was looking for a fight, anticipating the destruction to come, keen to weave elaborate games of deception for players to unravel (or fall into). I knew the Noose with runes on it for EXACTLY what it was when Freya and Kratos found it; it is the reason why Odin is considered a DEATH god, among other kinds of god he is, since he sacrificed himself (to Yggdrasil and to himself) in pursuit of knowledge. This could be seen as either "creative and unusual punishment" or "desperation for knowledge that supersedes any living being"; Santa Monica brought BOTH aspects to their Odin's cruelty. I hate him, I admire him, I knew to NEVER trust him when I first saw him. What a marvelous villain!
32:20: "Evil is Clever, and Deception is his most powerful weapon." Jack's Father from Samurai Jack
The All-Father was nothing more than an All-Manipulative Lying Deceiving Abusing Scheming Piece of Shit that should've suffered more before he died.
He officially became one of my most hated characters in video game history for killing Brok alone and making Sindri cry.
Could Kratos defeat odin 1v1? I think not, however Kratos with the weapons of multiple God's pretty much single handedly defeat Zeus. Is Odin stronger than Zeus?
On the Valhalla DLC and now on more inspection on the Atreus and Thor mission Niflheim you see on the murals the story and its actually pretty much like myth, u see the cow, Odin and his brothers , the sword of Surtr. Pretty cool since you are the only one that has dived in the lore for this game .
Very limited material to go off of. But does anyone know the metal music bit in the beginning?
Odín told atreus he lost his eye when he was trying to look what was in the tear not because of the well.
You're forgetting the whole point of Odin being a manipulative liar willing to say and do anything to get his own way.
@@zak1872 yeah another guy mentioned that in the last game mimir tells you a story about how odin lost his eye. I didnt notice right away cause of watching so many scenes but i realized that theres so many things he could lie about and not make it obvious, "if he tells you the snows white, he's lying!".
That was such a good explanation moreover do another history behind the weapon leviathan axe and draupnir the ring and the spear
I really liked how he was portrayed in the game. He was a manipulator through and through, even making me trust him a bit. When I first saw him I was like, “this is Odin?” I thought Odin was weak, which is exactly what he was going for.
@@Tribrid-zv3nq He isn’t, but his knowledge in magic and warfare are still amazing
I really hope they add a new game mode plus I need to play the story another 3 times
Usually 3 months after release
I freaking love this channel 💯
Still prefer the concept art over the actual Odin in the game
@@Tribrid-zv3nq yeah sure wherever it came from that's what I mean
I agree. The game Odin is garbage
odin was never meant to be a zeus like god, he's like an evil gandalf
The odin we got is myth accurate.
@@Supreme_Knowledge. why
damn, you explained this very very well.
When kratos first comes up in the video I jumped up and cheered
At first I hated Odins character design. But after spending some time in the game, he grew on me. While I do enjoy this game, very much, I can't help feeling it could've been better. Just my opinion tho.
thank you for the bigger episode. I loved the details.
It’s later revealed that Odin lied about creating Valhalla
Refresh my memory, what’s the song name for both intro and outro
Odin is pretty much like a cult leader that leads a doomsday cult
Great watch, best of luck to your channel mate
Just a theory:
What if Fjörgyn died due to the same thing as Faye ( a sickness of sort ) and then giants didn’t want to help her that’s why Thors hatred for the Jotnar is so strong cuz he loved his mother?
Or she trying to stop odin madness and be killed by odin himself (like thor) and manipulate thor to hate other giant.
But heyy it just a theory
A GAME THEORY
Thor is forced to listen to Odin. Who Odin wants killed, Thor will kill. Who he wants alive, Baldur would find him. Tyr was the one who sought peace with the Jotnar, so Odin imprisoned him. Odin hates giants, and so does Thor.
@@rizqi5145 Doubt it. As we know, her death badly affected Odin. Remember, this was Odin before becoming purely obsessed with preventing Ragnarok.
Whatever happened to Odin's brothers?
So....tf happened to his brothers?
So many people say that the Greek gods are ways more powerful than the Norse but you have to look at their magic manipulation - Especially with Odin!
P.s We definitely need the Egyptian Gods next. It's going to be wicked!
Wow bro. What an amazing, well versed video. You really summarized everything and made it understandable. Appreciate your hard work into this man thank you so much.
Do sigrun the valkyrie queen next