A COMPLETE DEEP DIVE INTO YELLOWJACKETS W/ NICOLE RAFIEE
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Nicole and I take on all things yellowjackets this week, we've been holding out on you for a while but have finally sat down to talk about the horrifying show of yellow jackets.
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Can we please talk about the fact that while they’re in the woods Nats hair gets longer but her roots stay the same like who’s topping off her dye job 😭
STOP LMAOO
HUH? It did change tho? Compare season 1 and season 2 hair. It's very different.
Jajajaja no lo había pensado
this is the best thing to ever happen to me
if coach ben is alive id love to see him as a crazy old man rambling on about the team being crazy cannibals but no one takes him seriously
I think it would be funny if they just left him out there and he’s somehow still kicking. Like they go out there to do something because they’re all crazy and they’re like woah you’re still living! Unlikely but I feel like it would be funny.
saw this video was uploaded, watched five minutes of it, clicked out, got a free trial and watched all of Yellow Jackets, now i'm back to finish the video as an educated woman.
this is so iconic
@@LovellTrin omg thank you! 🖤
trin covering yellowjackets? this day will go down in history
Do I support Shauna? Well yes!
Do I have any reasons why? Well..!
So I got this video in my notif box a few days ago and initially started watching it though I hadn't even seen Yellowjackets, but when Trin gave a short summary of the plot I thought "actually. I have to watch this right now" so, almost a week later after having seen both seasons I returned to hear you guys' thoughts about it after forming my own opinions.
Agree on Shauna being so frustrating to root for in the present timeline. In teen timeline I'm sort of like... These are all kids. Starving teens in a really wild situation. I can't really fault them for a lot of the stuff that happened there. Very surprised that Nicole is such a Misty appreciator, I was thinking she'd be universally hated by the fandom for the *really* fucked up shit she does EARLY ON in the show before any characters even get loopy from their worsening situation (like breaking the emergency signal thing). She's great as a character, it makes perfect sense that she became a nurse after observing her for even a minute in the teen timeline. She's obsessed with being in control, she wants people to depend on her and she'll lie and poison and (threaten to) kill people to get it done. The show does a great job at making her appalling (though season 2 seemed more oriented to making her more likeable. Not necessarily against it though, just not overly positive either. just neutral.)
I have a few grievances with the show, which I'll keep condensed in two main points.
1. Yellowjackets doesn't know how to handle mystery. With Travis in the adult timeline and the whole blackmailing thing I felt like the show itself didn't know where it was going at all, and when it became time to resolve those issues it half-assed something together that was believable enough. Natalie being convinced that Travis' death wasn't a suicide, especially after the pattern from the candle wax showed because "he never believed in that stuff". The show then goes "oh it was lottie's cult that did the murder", sure. but then they backtrack all of that in season 2, it WAS actually an accident and it all happened because Travis DID believe in it. and then they make the Teen Timeline reflect this by making Travis one of the more devout Lottie believers. That seems like such a major plothole. It also brings me to my second problem with the show;
2. Yellowjackets does not want to make any of its characters "bad people". I mean, of course they're 'bad', they cannibalized, several committed murders in the adult timeline too. We've seen Shauna, Misty and Taissa especially. But they always get this big reason for doing the things they do that should make you want to root for them anyhow. The whole "oh travis' death was actually an accident and Lottie isn't REALLY bad" especially rubbed that in even though it was a thought i'd been having since halfway season 1. Shauna was trying to protect her friends and family. Misty was trying to protect her friends. Jeff was trying to protect his family. Taissa isn't even in control at all when she does her bad stuff. Lottie actually kidnapped Nat to protect her and everyone in the cult agreed to leave their bank acc and personal details with her because they genuinely trust her, and look! Her cult ACTUALLY helps people! Yellowjackets seems scared to actually commit to its characters being flawed on a deeper level.
On one hand I'm glad they didn't make Lottie a villain though, because I'm VERY tired of media making its characters with diagnosed mental illnesses, ESPECIALLY schizophrenia the villains. While watching season 1 I was expecting/hoping that the other girls would turn Lottie in a religious idol without her say. That they'd abuse these hallucinations of hers and interpret them as signs or warnings and drag her into it, worsening her mental state. It did sort of happen later in season 2, and I think it's a much better thing than "oh look, the schizophrenic is Evil."
I feel bad making my message so incredibly long omg so I'm going to quit it there. I have many more opinions and I'm sure I can word them more eloquently than this too when given some proper time to do so. But uhm, yeah. Hats off to you if you read all of this and I'd love to talk about yellowjackets more with others :D
i read all of this! i really agree with both of your points and they're very well articulated. i have a theory that lottie's explanation of travis' death is, to put it bluntly, a flat out lie. and maybe we'll learn the truth or maybe that plot point is complete, but either way i don't believe her answer and i am a bit frustrated, as a viewer, that it wasn't handled better or explained more adequately. it also does upset me that it doesn't seem as though there's a proper mind being paid towards consistent characterizations or proper continuity. it bums me out that a show that is literally a mystery show isnt always handling the mystery elements well...like should i stop caring about who pit girl is, then, because i still wanna know!!!
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For ever thankful that yall are talking about this series bc I'm too scared to watch it by myself ❤❤❤
12:39 that odd “hehehmmmmph…” laugh after talking about her eating dirt is hilarious.
Thank god for this cuz i just couldn't get myself to finish that show without some motivation. So now i can catch up and then enjoy the nuance of this girl talk. This is definition of girlypop and i wish our nation's leaders were aware of that.
CALLING ALL DIVAS TO THE SLAYTION
i dont LIKE shauna but god, is she interesting. all of them are!! thats why i loooove this show!!
Oh Lordy I loveeee you two separately now together!
everybody wants a complex female character but they cant even handle shauna shipman... (SHES INNOCENT!!!)
The way I just finished watching Yellowjackets! So excited to watch this deep dive EEEEK
I see Natalie’s death (besides Juliette leaving) as a kind of parallel with Javi (who Natalie feels guilt for). It shows her growth as she sacrifices herself in a way for a younger person similar to how Javi’s death saved her❤️ one of my fave shows and such an amazing collab I got so excited seeing the title
MY FAVORITE TH-camRS TALKING ABOUT MY FAVORITE SHOW!!!
A COLLAB I NEVER KNEW I NEEDED
FINALLY TRIN DOES A YELLOWJACKETS DEEP DIVE
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WHO DO I TALK TO THIS ABOUT
I VOLUNTEER AS TRIBUTE
no because this is everything to me
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This is everything to me
Is this a dream it feels like a dream ❤
i thought i'd be able to watch this and enjoy it without needing to watch the show :'-(
imo this isn't a deep dive, it's two people having a conversation and discussing a show
I’m too seated
I honestly really hated almost every minute of the adult's storyline. I hate how they ruin Taissa's character and try to redeem Shauna. I do also just want answers with wtf is happening with Taissa. The only character I like more as an adult is Misty. Maybe my bias because I love the actress... Will I watch it? Yes, but I will suffer through lol
This is the best thing that has ever happened to me
Mia Denise you ate
Litreally my first thought
lol wow
I’m so sorry to hear that 😂
As a Shauna fan I want you to know I was nodding the whole time you described her neuroses and how she simply refuses to stop her own cycle of self destruction.
I will literally never understand how Jackie ended up outside and not Shauna.
She is such good representation of the permanent brain damage that results from homoerotic teenage friendships
i'd say jackie ended up outside because she had been irritating the other girls for quite some time. they were all becoming invested in surviving out there and jackie wasn't and she made no attempt at hiding this. this definitely pissed the girls off so even though shauna was 100% wrong in what she did, it was inevitable that they would gang up on jackie.
another explanation could be the wilderness if we are to believe it is actually real. it got rid of laura lee who was the groups morality. then jackie who represented the groups ties to modern society and normalcy. then crystal who represented friendship and how the girls will put survival over friendship. and finally, javi/shauna's baby, both of which represent innocence.
all of these things needed to be stripped away from the group to truly have them revert to their primal nature.
Jackie represented the group’s last connection to the “normal” high school world. She never takes part in the group activities and isn’t high out of her mind at Doomcoming like the rest of them. Her death and eventual consumption is the final nail in the coffin that the survivors will never be able to reconnect to society properly
@pedrettigfscenes2707 I really love your analysis and your interpretation of what each fallen character symbolizes!
she left
"Fuck Shauna" and Shauna's picture on the wall behind Nicole is the biggest of them all 😭
jackie better continue to haunt the narrative, I just absolutely love ella purnell and I need more of her
She’s, in my opinion, the best actress of the series. She acts her damn ass off!!
I just saw how much Ella enjoys filming Yellowjackets with her castmates that I truly wish she could've stayed longer enough, at least Jackie could've died in the latter seasons instead in the first one 😭
LITERALLY DID A DOUBLE TAKE OMG?! MY TWO QUEENSSS 😭❤️
just wanted to say they had to kill natalie off because juliette lewis didn’t want to return for a third season 😭 but obviously we’ll still see teen nat but yeah it’s such a bummer
It's really sad because I loved Juliette as Natalie but it was clear in interviews she found the role difficult and it sounded like she left at the right time for her which I'm grateful for
She was possibly triggered. She didn’t like her characters direction
@@sarab3417that’s sad to hear 😢
Did I just finish Nicole’s video? Yes. Am I immediately watching this after? Yes.
Literally me
SPOILERS INCLUDED!!!
Don’t forget when it comes to Shauna and Jeff, it takes two to tango!! Shauna and Jeff honestly deserve each other. Jeff cheated on Jackie with her best friend and Shauna homewrecked her friendship with Jackie. Just POS’ all around though. I feel like everyone gets visited by Karma, including Jackie. To my memory (please correct me if I’m wrong) Jackie did leave Van for dead in the plane that crashed when Jackie didn’t try hard enough to free Van from the seatbelt that was stuck. Van ended up freeing herself from the seatbelt and only for Jackie to be consumed by flames later on… damn I just realized this. This show is so good!
Van is a survivor like no other! She's a fave of mine.
Jackie made the decision to save herself and Shauna. They only had a few seconds to get out before the plane exploded. Van surviving was miraculous. Later in the season the attic guy’s plane is going towards Van and Jackie pushes her out of the way and steps in front of her. She was always making decisions for the better of the team (especially Shauna) and that’s why she was captain. She’s depressed being out there, starving herself, her best friend is being weird and distant, her team, who she always had influence guiding over, shunning her essentially.
She deserved better 😢
@@hntrthmpsnthank u for educating these ppl on jackie 🥰
Laura lee died in a fire. Jackie froze to death.
@@karmasshow7361 i think they r talking abt when her body was lit on fire for the girls to consume lol
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i cant believe i got a trin video collabing with nicole for my birthday?? i love it here
Happy birthday! I hope you have an amazing one!
HBD 🎉
Happy Bday!!
Happyy birthday!!🎂
Happy bday 🥳
This show, also, became my obsession last year. It portrays girlhood in a disgusting, brutal, and sensitive way. You go into it thinking, "Oh, the story will be about teen girls struggling to survive." Instead, the plot shows the different ways each character copes. There's body horror, of course, but you still feel emotionally connected to the girls. I like Lottie, and Shauna. I think it's interesting that they're a little cray cray. I dislike Misty, for lots of reasons. Mostly, because she disconnected the group from the outside world! I relate a little too hard to her desire to belong. I appreciate how the coach, and Travis, are foils for their destructive habits. Love that you guys are talking about this show! :)
Misty didn't prevent the group from contacting the outside world. She broke a flight recorder. It doesn't matter what happened because the flight recorder doesn't make them capable of contacting or being contacted.
@@indiehead457 It made them trackable, at least. That was the one thing that *might* might have helped. And I would say it does matter what happened, because it was a selfish. It shows her desire to control, which naturally bleeds into other parts of the story.
@@taylormullen2815 thats only possible if the flight recorder is submerged in water. none of the girls, travis or even ben would have known that cause its not really common knowledge.
@@indiehead457she might’ve not actually cut off contact, but that was her thought process in that scene. she finally was in the “in” and needed in the group and she *thought* that destroying it would make them still need her (love misty btw)
THIS COLLAB WITH THIS SHOW OHH THIS IS HEAVEN FOR A CHRONICALLY ONLINE LESBIAN
Can confirm
absolutely
Your understanding of the characters is really superficial.
Misty is trying to help, but Lottie is the manipulator?
Simone and Taissa didn't hate each other at the beginning wtf??
Oh and Van said that Lottie used to predict a lot of stuff happening at their school, that's why they started to believe in her! She never asked them to follow her.
Shauna is a p-dator for jerking it in her daughter's bedroom but Misty isn't a p-dator for how she treated coach Ben every single day and how she acts as an adult? Idk about these videos 😣 (her's and Nicole's on yellowjackets specifically)
And then calling Lottie Cr*zy 😵💫
I think my other comment got deleted. I said basically said that it was mind boggling to hear Shauna get called a pdator but then have no discussion about Misty's nasty on screen cannon pdator behavior 😵💫 why does Misty get a pass or a gloss over when it's such a serious and recurring theme for her character? She drugged people in order to sleep with them several times over the course of the show. Coach Ben like 3 times and then her date during the adult timeline when she comes home with him and Nat is there. I don't think she drugged that guy but it felt like to me that she was about to take him down into her "hostage room"
theres part of me that wonders if they just... havent reviewed the material recently? and i think trin mentioned this was going off of one viewing, for her, but i might have just made that up (all love and appreciation to this content but it does seem like maybe she only watched it once, maybe not that recently, because like yeah theres some nuance here that sort of feels like it got flip flopped around)
bc like, at least about simone and taissa, i could see maybe confusing simone's developing distrust towards her wife at the latter half of season one (because tai is not being a particularly good communicator and she's endangered their son at that point) with sammy's - for lack of a better turn of phrase - moderately off-putting behavior that at times comes across as contemptuous (can't blame him though, he can't even sleep at night without the literal nightmare fuel of someone - who he unfortunately probably can recognize as his mother - in a tree outside his window taunting him)
the only reason i’m entirely convinced this show is super natural is because of how the scenes are shot when lottie gets “possessed” during the seance and jackie’s body gets well... cooked lol. there’s very deliberate camera movement on a winding path from far away that really makes it seem like something moving towards them, and with jackie’s body no other branches had snow knocked off them, just a long winding camera shot and an obvious shaking of one branch to specifically slow cook jackie and lure the hungry girls to the scent of cooked meat and I think this supernatural creature (maybe a god summoned by whoever made the symbols, maybe cabin guy) could be latching onto lottie through her schizophrenia and same with Tai’s sleepwalking, like lotties visions aren’t happening entirely because of the supernatural woods, theyre happening bc she’s mentally unwell and off her medication but I also don’t think they’re entirely uninfluenced by something otherworldly
and also maybe i’m remembering wrong but when laura lee flies away and the bear or bible catches on fire?? right like that was weird like it was making them stay..
@@kobiibryantikr! Like to me that made no sense
If the plane caught fire it wouldn’t have been like that
It wouldn’t start in the cabin then spread it would’ve been in the engine
Fire just doesn’t miraculously happen for no reason
omg both of u guys having ur fur babies in the background is so comforting!!
I Saw the TV Glow and Yellowjackets are set in the 90's, not the 80's.
Yeah that really bugged me lol. This video and Nicole's have quite a bit of wrong info, I was like 😭❔
I don't think Natalie's death was pointless. I think she made a lot of progress in her emotional healing at the compound. I think she was tortured and guilt ridden for most of her life. She was able to forgive herself, understand which things were and were not her fault, and her final act was her way of not repeating her past.
I also think this will profoundly change misty and allow her to finally trust someone again and lean on walter for support.
yeah i also think it’s important to remember that if it felt abrupt, and like natalie should have had more time, it’s probably because she was going to. the reason natalie was killed off was because juliette lewis, natalies actress, didn’t want to play her for a third season.
christina is perfect at reining in misty’s unhinged behavior but still making it very apparent
Nicole: *knows every obscure actor’s government names*
Also Nicole: *forgets literal Christina Ricci*
YES!!
LOVE THIS SHOW!!
Season 3 is in production for 2025.
This series is insane, with a lot of twists and turns throughout.
Lesbians are here I can feel it
Chappell Roan on Jimmy Fallon: *There’s gay people here* 👌🏽👌🏽
running here in the middle of watching another trin video because FINALLYYYY YJ!!!
edit: oooo nicole summed it up so well. shauna just never grew up and a lot of times in the show the way she'd act reminded me of a teenager getting caught doing something wrong which was kinda funny but like just made her so frustrating to root for
30:00 In defense of Lottie, I do agree she started the wildnerness worship. That’s just true. HOWEVER! I just saw her doing her best to support her friends in a traumatic event and they turned her into a god (arguably against her will). Big Wilderness stans like Mari and Van kept pushing for Lottie’s spiritual leadership and when she allows herself to be beat up by Shauna it was to help Shauna and punish herself imo. The Hunt comes from everyone wanting to keep this god figure alive even though she wanted them to eat her!! She wanted out! And passing the buck to Natalie allowed her to do that. I do think there could be something nefarious under the surface with Lottie but she just feels so tragic to me.
lesbians getting fed this month
oh i’m eating dinner to this tonight
(Cheersing my salad)
That’s definitely a choice
NO WAY they collabed 😭 I’m in shock and so happy
Yay a Trin and Nicole collab! Good to hear that Nicole is just as obsessed with YellowJackets as I am. I don't think the show is supernatural either, the way things go down gives very much "Lord of the Flies" amped up. I think it's just a manifestation of underlying mental illness and trauma from being stranded in the woods. Like when in Cast Away Tom Hanks thought the Wilson the volleyball was real.
Shauna is a Quebec actress, i love her for that, go sophie go
nicole saying she wouldnt be suprised if van doesnt have cancer anymore even tho its heavily implied that that’s already happened… like girl no shot 😭😭😭
25:00 defending lottie.. my girl is crazy for sure! but she actively tried to not give into everything in the adult timeline and everyone around her just kept pushing. and even in teen time line…. she didn’t want any of that when it gets to the hunt. she was beat the fuck yo and the girls all just blame her for that 🙁 she def thinks she is truly helping ppl in teen timeline and (in a more mlm girlboss way) in the adult timeline. she definitely suffers constantly in both timelines lmao
two queens queening out.... im sat
The Shauna thing is soo real. So many people loveee her, and I’m like uh did you guys forget the literal first scene we see of her as an adult? Sick and twisted
I haaaaaaaaate the adult story lines, I just want to watch the girls survive in the woods
MY SAPHIC QUEEN THIS IS EVERYTHING I COULD EVER ASK FOR
I agree with not being a fan of Shauna in the present time, I literally don't remember one good thing she did. But past shauna...after watching the birth scene, it made me cry so much I don't know how I could hate her
Her sleeping with her best friend’s boyfriend from the jump is pretty messed up. Hard to feel sorry for her from then on
never clicked so fast i love yellowjackets and trin and nicole
40:14 okay but imagine if in one episode, Misty’s guy-who-matches-her-freak-but-just-kinda brings his friend along, Dirk Gently
*Is somebody gonna match my freak?*
I’m sorry, it’s a tick of mine at this point 😅
the chronically online girls crossover of the century
i feel like im the only person here who’s nvr seen the show But the hype for this vid was still real for me🙂↕️
I've only watched a few episodes but best believe imma watch this then finish the series then come back for seconds
it's okay babe nearly all of my friends are obsessed with this show and have tried to get me to watch it more times than i can count but i can't with all the gore😭
I’ve got inside information and Juliette Lewis was very difficult to work with for the writers, and she wanted out of the show by the time season 2 was being written. Lottie was supposed to die, but the writers had to do a last minute switch to appease Miss Lewis
As it was prophesized
MY UGLY GUFFAW WAKING MY DOG LMAO
everyone screamed the yellowjacket video finally arrived
WAIT, does Nicole looks like Sophie Nélisse (Shauna) or I'm just delulu?
OMFG YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH THIS MEANS TO ME IVE DREAMT OF THIS COLLABB
a very specific genre of girl is about to have a heart attack over this video (it’s me i’m the genre)
this is myy multiverse of madness im so happy rn
Yeeeeeee 👍🏽
Ahhh watched Nicole's at 2am and now Trin's at 2pm! WHAT A DAY!!! 🐝🐝🐝
Ive never eatched this show so i have no clue what youre talking about, but i love you both and im very entertained lol
my neighbors? hear my fangirl scream? over my two fav youtubers collabing? its more likely than you think (also sorry neighbors)
Seeing your dog in the background always makes me so happy, so cute❤
trins dog sleeping there like an angel almost the whole vid is so cute
Omg my favorite two TH-camr girlies covering my favorite show?? 🤭🤭
I love the adult side of this show. that cast is absolutely iconic
NIKKI AND TRIN COLLAB. NIKKI AND TRIN COLLAB. NIKKI AND TRIN COLLAB.
Is no one gonna talk about how we definitely already met the mother of the young girl from lottie’s cult? Is the theory that she’s adopted and Nat never knew where she was? Because I feel like if Nat was her mom they would have made an even bigger deal about going to the girls mothers house where the fish was.. right?
this is a big day for gay people (me)
I think Taisha is such an interesting character as someone who looks at the show thru the lense of psychology rather than the supernatural.
My theory is that she suppresses her trauma and mental illness to cope, and was taught to do that as a child (theory is that she got less than ideal mental health care) and bc of that it comes out during her sleep. And the more stressed she becomes, it exacerbates her mental illness and sleep walking/eating/etc... My other theory is that when it comes out that they all cannibalised, and she loses her politics career, she will have a break and her mental illness will come out while she's awake.
I also think her and Lottie might end up in the same psychiatric hospital and maaaybe Lotti will convince her she isn't mentally ill it's actually The Forest (or whatever supernatural force she believes in).
Anyway I love this show so much and I have been just dying for season 3. I really hope they do run with the themes of trauma, mental illness, and cult mentalities, and it doesn't become full-blown supernatural. I also loved what you both said about "of course it looks supernatural we are seeing it thru their eyes and they believe in that"; I think you were spot on.
she and her grandmother had a mutual hallucination of the man with no eyes when she was a really young kid, maybe thats a spirit of doom and death or maybe mental illness is hereditary. i love that its still vague and could really go either way. side note, speaking of eyes and taissa, i think its really cool that when tawny cypress's eyes are lit a specific way theres a very red undertone to her brown eyes, i think its really cool the way that comes up in the show. its very subtle and reminds me that brown eyes are really gorgeous and diverse in their variations
When two queens come together to maximize their joint slay
i’m fully convinced that it IS supernatural. but i won’t be sad if it’s not! it’s odd to say that you would be disappointed if it’s supernatural when the show is purposely left vague idk
Oh I'll be super disappointed if it's not supernatural. I want those weird native American wood gods or whatever to play a role
@@Siegbert85??????
WE HIT THE PENTEGON
I kinda like Shauna. She shares the same name as my mom whom also got pregnant in high school and looks just like her, so everything she does is so goofy to me
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I feel like neither of yall understand this show at all. Or at least your perspective is very shallow. Disappointing
Been saving this for a special eating occasion for as long as possible
not the shauna slander😭 ur right tho shes a bit mad but arent they all
Actress for Adult nat left so I doubt she'll survive, and i hate how much of nats story is about being eith this dude
38:10 I read somewhere that “adam” was originally supposed to be grown up javi and interject himself in grown shaunas life but it was scrapped by the writers
adopt don't shop. dogs are in need. why support breeders bringing more dogs into this world and they dont even live as long. u should adopt yr next pet. theres rly no reason not to unless u have an unhealthy obsession with how your ideal dog should look and what breed u wanted when u were 6. its cheaper too by far. please consider these points and help dogs who have been kept in cages for years and will spend the rest of their life without a family, or they just get put down. all so ppl can have their perfect breeder inbred dogs that live to 7. also all of this applies to cats too
The two worlds collide and give us an absolute blessing of a video. We won. 👏🎉💥🗣️
What the heck Nicoleeeee ahhhhhhyhghgyhhh I may cry this is so exciting for me